Breviary - a *brief* version of the office. Brevity. As distinguished from the monastic books, and put into a portable form for the use of priests and religious who need a portable volume.
Im an Orthodox Catechumen and the Anthologion is the Orthodox version of the papal breviary. Neat video. I love learning Hebrew, Latin and Greek and seeing the Latin side of things.
My Roman Breviary is 3 volumes from Baronius press. Will you have more on this topic? It would help as I am transitioning from the regular 4 volume LOTH. Thank you
You're definitely right about it being intimidating. I badly want to start praying it, but every time I start reading about it it always raises more questions than it gives answers. I wish the Church would authorise a simplified version, maybe with a free app rather than a $140 four-volume set, for the laity to pray.
I just gently clicked the Like button lol That was very well explained. Very straightforward. I'm still having trouble figuring it out. When I think I know where we're at it doesn't match the Devine Office app.
Thanks but it didn't really explain anything. Maybe you can use the camera and a book and just show it how you do the Divine Office in life. I can use the app of course to read a long, but how does it work in practice? Are you reading all the parts aloud? Singing? Various gestures and postures?
As opposed to beginning at the front of the book, familiarize yourself with the “ordinary” of the respective hours as this sets forth each hour’s structure. The ordinary is located in the volume’s middle and is designated in the table of contents. Beginning with its response Three psalms with their respective antiphons (I.e., a theme for that psalm within the season of that time, like Advent or Lent) The brief reading for that hour The response to the reading The canticle for morning and evening prayer (e.g., the canticle of Zechariah or that of Mary for evening prayer) The “bidding” prayers (morning and evening prayer) The Our Father The concluding prayer The concluding blessing Place a ribbon in the Ordinary, one with the week of the psalter which is current for the time, one with the proper of seasons for the day and month, and use other ribbons or place markers as necessary.
@@cinaedmacseamas2978 I think what you describe above is the ordinary for the post-vatican II Liturgy of the Hours. The "Officium Divinum", on the other hand, refers to the traditional pre-Vatican II divine office, and is meant to be prayed in Latin. Although technically "Officium Divinum" should in theory refer to any version of the Divine Office, in standard usage, it means only the pre-Vatican II version. Fun fact: The Officium Divinum has only a 1-week psalter (so you do more psalms per hour), and there are no "bidding" prayers during vespers/lauds, or any other hour.
What’s the difference between this and the 4 volume Liturgy of the Hours (I- Advent/Christmas, II- Lent/Easter, III- Ordinary Time 1-17, IV Ordinary Time 18-34), and the 3 volume Roman Breviary published by Baronius Press?
I didn’t realize at the time of recording, that Baronius Press had a three volume so I need to see how that is structured… but to answer your question, The Rubrics. This is about the 1960 Rubrics of the Breviary. The Liturgy of the Hours is the Reformed/Modern Version.
The 4-volume LOTH is post-Vatican II, while the Officium Divinum (what is in this video) is what existed pre-Vatican II and is meant to be prayed in Latin only (ie. there are no officially approved translations for liturgical use in the vernacular, unlike the LOTH). They also differ in structure. The Officium Divinum has a 1-week psalter, vs. LOTH's 4-week psalter. There are no "universal prayers" in the Officium Divinum whereas the LOTH has them at Lauds and Vespers. The Officium Divinum has the hours of Matins and Prime, whereas the LOTH doesn't have those hours, but instead has the Office of Readings.
You start at the Ordinary for whatever hour you wish to pray. The ordinary is like an outline that lists all of the parts of that particular hour, in addition to the non-changing texts that are permanent to that hour regardless of the day. Just start at the ordinary and work your way from there. You will see that a full picture should form sooner rather than later.
Thankyou very much! I am just learning about this but it is so complex to me. I haven’t got a clue. I know a Nun who has got a black morning and evening prayer book…. So is this black morning and evening book in addition to the Brievery? Or if I buy the four volumes of the brievery does it mean I won’t need to buy the Morning and Evening prayer book? Thankyou very much . X
For the full set volumes of the Breviary or the full set volumes of the post 50s/60s Divine Office - is there an expectation or requirement that all of it is prayed - I.e. all the different hours every day and every part of them - all the prayers? I don't even think priests can keep up with this!!! Let alone the laity. I was wondering if the Catholic Church could reduce the amount of the expectation or requirement to a certain MINIMUM- e.g. one or two lots of the Breviary per day - e.g. anyone we choose but minimum of two sets - e.g. one set in the morning on waking up and one in the evening or if that isn't always possible to have flexibility of choosing any set at the appropriate time of the day dependent on the individual having time. If this sort of method would be satisfactory then I could do with all the sets of the breviary. However, having an expensive set of volumes, in which most is not being used due to praying one or two periods per day, is rather a waste of money. Is there an approved one volume book in which less time is demanded? Praying one period per day might take as long as 20-30 mins- imagine trying to do all or some of the other periods! I can't fathom how - even - a priest would find 20mins per 7 or 8 periods of each day, let alone the laity!
The answer to your question is "no". However, there was a time in which clergy would be very flexible in reciting the individual hours such that the time of day did not match with the prescribed time of the hour. It was apparently often the case that some clergy would recite all of the hours in one go for a specific day. The reforms of Vatican II to the breviary meant to correct this, but they also trimmed each hour such that there are now less psalms per hour, but you make up for it in a longer 4-week psalter. The post-Vatican II LOTH is meant to address the concerns you raise in your comment.
@@TheConcertmaster thanks for responding. I have made up my mind that one of the older traditional Breviaries are the ones I should he following, but will set myself targets to complete minimal hours. The only good modern part I would approve of the LOTH is the Office of the Hours. But I feel that the Psalter needs to be a one week thing & the older Breviary does not exclude certain difficult passages too. I might try the Little Office first & then try out the Monastic Diurnal.
As of right now, I personally use a Liber Usualis (for chant) and divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl as a Breviary. It’s a great website. Hope this helps
Breviary - a *brief* version of the office. Brevity. As distinguished from the monastic books, and put into a portable form for the use of priests and religious who need a portable volume.
Thank you! I hope you continue to get more in depth with how to pray the Divine Office.
More to come 🙂
Im an Orthodox Catechumen and the Anthologion is the Orthodox version of the papal breviary. Neat video. I love learning Hebrew, Latin and Greek and seeing the Latin side of things.
Thank you for doing this!! I am at a loss how to pray the Liturgy of the Hours and want to improve my prayer life. God Bless you . ❤🙏
My Roman Breviary is 3 volumes from Baronius press. Will you have more on this topic? It would help as I am transitioning from the regular 4 volume LOTH.
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You're definitely right about it being intimidating. I badly want to start praying it, but every time I start reading about it it always raises more questions than it gives answers. I wish the Church would authorise a simplified version, maybe with a free app rather than a $140 four-volume set, for the laity to pray.
Compline App!! Its What I Use!
Thank you for explaining all of this! God bless you!
This was helpful. Thank you 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
I just gently clicked the Like button lol That was very well explained. Very straightforward. I'm still having trouble figuring it out. When I think I know where we're at it doesn't match the Devine Office app.
Different years/rubrics have different prayers. The Divine Office with 60s Rubrics is different than the Liturgy of the Hours
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What an amazing video! I've always wanted to know what the Divine Office is all about. Thanks John, this was a really great help!
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Thanks but it didn't really explain anything. Maybe you can use the camera and a book and just show it how you do the Divine Office in life. I can use the app of course to read a long, but how does it work in practice? Are you reading all the parts aloud? Singing? Various gestures and postures?
As opposed to beginning at the front of the book, familiarize yourself with the “ordinary” of the respective hours as this sets forth each hour’s structure. The ordinary is located in the volume’s middle and is designated in the table of contents.
Beginning with its response
Three psalms with their respective antiphons (I.e., a theme for that psalm within the season of that time, like Advent or Lent)
The brief reading for that hour
The response to the reading
The canticle for morning and evening prayer (e.g., the canticle of Zechariah or that of Mary for evening prayer)
The “bidding” prayers (morning and evening prayer)
The Our Father
The concluding prayer
The concluding blessing
Place a ribbon in the Ordinary, one with the week of the psalter which is current for the time, one with the proper of seasons for the day and month, and use other ribbons or place markers as necessary.
@@cinaedmacseamas2978 I think what you describe above is the ordinary for the post-vatican II Liturgy of the Hours. The "Officium Divinum", on the other hand, refers to the traditional pre-Vatican II divine office, and is meant to be prayed in Latin. Although technically "Officium Divinum" should in theory refer to any version of the Divine Office, in standard usage, it means only the pre-Vatican II version. Fun fact: The Officium Divinum has only a 1-week psalter (so you do more psalms per hour), and there are no "bidding" prayers during vespers/lauds, or any other hour.
Thanks. Why did you stop doing the Divine Office videos? You had 59 subscribers.
Posting on the channel 🙏
Mine had three volumes, Europe,before they were stolen from my flat. It also has the proper for Our Lady. 💒✝️🙏
I’m sorry that happened! Yes, there are 3 volume versions too! I thought I should keep it simple for everyone.
@@JohnShaw Thank you, John. I hope they pray it that's my one consolation.
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What is meant by the Proper of the Saints and the Common of the Saints?
What’s the difference between this and the 4 volume Liturgy of the Hours (I- Advent/Christmas, II- Lent/Easter, III- Ordinary Time 1-17, IV Ordinary Time 18-34), and the 3 volume Roman Breviary published by Baronius Press?
I didn’t realize at the time of recording, that Baronius Press had a three volume so I need to see how that is structured… but to answer your question, The Rubrics. This is about the 1960 Rubrics of the Breviary. The Liturgy of the Hours is the Reformed/Modern Version.
The 4-volume LOTH is post-Vatican II, while the Officium Divinum (what is in this video) is what existed pre-Vatican II and is meant to be prayed in Latin only (ie. there are no officially approved translations for liturgical use in the vernacular, unlike the LOTH). They also differ in structure. The Officium Divinum has a 1-week psalter, vs. LOTH's 4-week psalter. There are no "universal prayers" in the Officium Divinum whereas the LOTH has them at Lauds and Vespers. The Officium Divinum has the hours of Matins and Prime, whereas the LOTH doesn't have those hours, but instead has the Office of Readings.
How does the Anthologian differ from the Divine Office?
How to read the Breviary ? Which pages to look first ? How would you know what days to read which pages. I really am searching around for guidance. 🙏
You start at the Ordinary for whatever hour you wish to pray. The ordinary is like an outline that lists all of the parts of that particular hour, in addition to the non-changing texts that are permanent to that hour regardless of the day. Just start at the ordinary and work your way from there. You will see that a full picture should form sooner rather than later.
New editions come out ever 25 years to include new saints.
Do you have ebook of Divine Office? Thanks
Ccwatershed has PDF archives
Will you be explaining the Rubics soon? I’m still quite confused about it
Yes! More videos coming soon
Thankyou very much! I am just learning about this but it is so complex to me. I haven’t got a clue.
I know a Nun who has got a black morning and evening prayer book…. So is this black morning and evening book in addition to the Brievery? Or if I buy the four volumes of the brievery does it mean I won’t need to buy the Morning and Evening prayer book? Thankyou very much . X
This book specifically has Gregorian chants in it.
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For the full set volumes of the Breviary or the full set volumes of the post 50s/60s Divine Office - is there an expectation or requirement that all of it is prayed - I.e. all the different hours every day and every part of them - all the prayers? I don't even think priests can keep up with this!!! Let alone the laity. I was wondering if the Catholic Church could reduce the amount of the expectation or requirement to a certain MINIMUM- e.g. one or two lots of the Breviary per day - e.g. anyone we choose but minimum of two sets - e.g. one set in the morning on waking up and one in the evening or if that isn't always possible to have flexibility of choosing any set at the appropriate time of the day dependent on the individual having time. If this sort of method would be satisfactory then I could do with all the sets of the breviary. However, having an expensive set of volumes, in which most is not being used due to praying one or two periods per day, is rather a waste of money. Is there an approved one volume book in which less time is demanded? Praying one period per day might take as long as 20-30 mins- imagine trying to do all or some of the other periods! I can't fathom how - even - a priest would find 20mins per 7 or 8 periods of each day, let alone the laity!
The answer to your question is "no". However, there was a time in which clergy would be very flexible in reciting the individual hours such that the time of day did not match with the prescribed time of the hour. It was apparently often the case that some clergy would recite all of the hours in one go for a specific day. The reforms of Vatican II to the breviary meant to correct this, but they also trimmed each hour such that there are now less psalms per hour, but you make up for it in a longer 4-week psalter. The post-Vatican II LOTH is meant to address the concerns you raise in your comment.
@@TheConcertmaster thanks for responding. I have made up my mind that one of the older traditional Breviaries are the ones I should he following, but will set myself targets to complete minimal hours. The only good modern part I would approve of the LOTH is the Office of the Hours. But I feel that the Psalter needs to be a one week thing & the older Breviary does not exclude certain difficult passages too. I might try the Little Office first & then try out the Monastic Diurnal.
Well done John. Sub from me 😎🙏🇦🇺
I want to purchase this but the set is so expensive!
As of right now, I personally use a Liber Usualis (for chant) and divinumofficium.com/cgi-bin/horas/officium.pl as a Breviary. It’s a great website. Hope this helps
@@JohnShaw thank you I will check those out.
"common" lol
You need to go to seminary to understand this form of prayer
I want to purchase this but the set is so expensive!
Save your money and work hard for it!
Buy the "brief" version "Divine Office" from Angelus Press until you can afford the full set.