The Forgotten Member of LE SSERAFIM
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Did you know that LE SSERAFIM had a different line-up before their debut? And no, we are not talking about Kim Garam. There was one more member and her name is Haruka.
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Hybe didn’t show Garam in the documentary because they’re not allowed to, she’s not under Hybe anymore while Ruka was still under Hybe
Yeah lol it’s not confusing at all
Exactly
exactly. i don’t see how it’s hard for anyone to understand
That sounds like a crappy excuse, I would imagine anything she shot while under contract, HYBE own, they just didn’t want to address the situation, if they are not allowed to, then why do they still have the dance practices and Le Play episodes with her in on le sserafims channel?
@@chezm356 they are legally not allowed to show her online without her permission anymore. while she was still in the group all of those were posted, and she still had a contract. that contract is terminated now, and they can no longer post her face online. the old ones are still fine as they had permission at the time.
ruka's potential was wasted. they put her in the lineup, but removed her. then, she got into r u next, and she got eliminated..
Haruka*
@@KaushalSirothiya her nickname is ruka mf
@@KaushalSirothiya ruka is a nickname, like kkura for Sakura or zuha for kazuha
it's understandable why she was eliminated in r u next tho. she didnt live up to the "almost made lsf" title. yunah, jihyun, chanelle, jiwoo, jeemin, minju, youngseo, moka, jeongeun, hyewon, & funa were all better.
is youngseo iroha or am i trippin@@4m3mory
I really feel bad for Garam and Haruka but at least garam is moving on and now is on her way to become an actress but Haruka never got a chance😢🥺😭
Garam has the fame but it's still not easy for her to debut or be successful after debut in acting cause people have started forgetting her
Only if Garam had started her Instagram and started to live like a celeb and influencer the chances for her being successful would have been much more but as she is away from public image living a normal life people have started to forget her
@@someone5132 well she still hasn’t done her acting debut so If she does well and catches people attention and starts getting big roles then her career might take off and she might have the fame she deserves
Last 4 tripleS members have not been revealed so maybe there is a chance for Haruka.?
@@JO-qn8gy I'm praying to see Haruka and Yeongseo in tripleS
That's really sad how you train for years just to go home with your crushed dreams.
and don't forget that source music are still scum bags for breaking up GFriend.
Life's brutality. Some people r not fit for such things unfortunately
Welcome to the K-Pop industry
I feel like Haruka failed to show us what she had because of how she failed to debut in lesserafim, which hurt her self esteem, and confidence, and kept putting that doubt in her mind of how she might not get to debut, so her stage presence lacked a lot, u can even tell she is nervous most of the time in the show, she barely speaks etc..
Hybe did mismanage the Garam situation. She had serious bullying accusations with evidence (even though misleading). Even people who were neutral weren't supporting her in case she was a bully. They should have cleared the accusations before debut or at least delayed their debut until she was cleared of accusations. Even Karina had bullying accusations but they were cleared before debut.
according to ex hybe staffs this was all pre planned for attention etc which many evidence for this surprisse no one is disscussing this. they arent stupid this scandal could have been gone if they wanted too
So true. I'm glad sm handle it well.
@@aerabyeol the name le sserafim is similar to 'seraphim' which is a 6 winged angel so the probably meant to have 6 members only and Haruka was replaced with Kazuha here
@@btsismyoxyjin2013 SM??? LMAO that joke of a company
@@关系-g7v 🤣Ok I understand where you are coming from but still I'm happy that Karina was not removed from the debut like Garam. So they definitely did good just in terms of her bullying scandal.
0:08 "Haruka who could have been the 7th member of Le Sserafim" No, when they decided to not keep Haruka in the team, they replaced her with Kazuha. Le Sserafim was always gonna debut with 6 members.
It was supposed to minju, haruka, chaewon, yujin, Sakura and garam
@@dittossaurminju of illit ?
@@rmnewjeanz no, minju ex izone
@@dittossaur oh i rmb hearing abt hybe trying to sign her 🤣 but she declined because she said that iz*one was her first and last kpop group
@@rmnewjeanzMinju was a trainee of YG before she joined RU Next.
Garam has such an it factor that even after 2 years people still talk about her, even though she was an idol for only 2 weeks. It's amazing, really. If only Ruka had the same star quality, she'd have debuted for sure by now since she's so talented! Her only problem in R U Next was literally not standing out. It was like she herself wanted to disappear when she was performing. She looked uncomfortable with people watching her. It's a pity since Illit's concept would fit her a lot, even more than some of the debuted members. I wish both of these girs the best! I hope to see Garam acting in kdramas soon and Ruka finally debuting!
Haruka didn’t stand out because she lacked a lot of confidence and self esteem because of her past didn’t you notice she didn’t talk as much? She was sad and it broke her 😢
It’s heartbreaking to know that some idols make it so far, but are pulled away at the last second💔
Garam did nothing wrong. She is a brave girl who stood up against the demon child Eunso.
exactly
She assulted the girl, she's the bully.
@@izzyreeze3538ikr eunseo assaulted garam, eunseo is a bully, you’re so right!
Who os eunso? Sorry i didn't know about her just garam
@@flingkymaetanso123 Eunshit is the bully that made Garam get all the hate with the rumours
some people say Garam is lucky because at least she manage to debut in LS. Yeah, she debuted only to be kicked out right after that and be accused by the WHOLE world and bullied by something she didn't make.
Unfortunetly it's more common than we think. It happens all the time, it's just that usually, we don't see the behind the scenes.
Becoming a trainee is really hard ; and even if you become one, most trainees will never debut. Not only you need to stand out and be talented, but you also need lots of luck and good timing.
If you're really good but that your image overlaps with another trainee (like Ruka and Eunchae), they'll pick only one of you. Or if your natural image doesn't fit the concept of the group, they might not debut you even if you're the most talented of the bunch.
It must be devastating to be so close to debuting and then being told you won't be part of the group... But as long as the contract isn't signed, nothing is certain at all...
It's so devastating to see trainees who have been trained for many years and are about to have their debuts but then don't end up debuting with the groups they were initially intended for... The guy who trained with BTS did not end up debuting with BTS.... Minyoung who was a JYP trainee and was one the original members of Six Mix and was just about to have her debut in Six Mix until it was cancelled by the show Sixteen. She was noted for her amazing vocal but was eliminated in the final round and did not debut with Twice... and there are many trainees like them (I know the video is about Hybe trainee so sorry to generalize all trainees who don't end up debuting)
@@218bird8 yeah I know about them too, it's so sad and cruel... and imagine, then you see the people you were supposed to debut with become celebrities, hearing their songs everywhere you go and seeing posters and all...
@@Aysisse yes! I remember Jiwon asking Mina and Momo "What changed after you debut?"
It's sad to know that she was sooo talented but got eliminated not in 1 but 2 gg line ups! It's sad to see how far up they can go to achieving their dreams but they get snatched away at the last minute! Hope she is doing well now and I hope that she does end up debuting! Good Luck Haruka!
Yoo Eunsoo has already been shown to be the true culprit in this story of Kim Garam, who was innocent and only guilty of trying to protect her friend from bullying by Yoo Eunsoo. HYBE decided to cowardly throw Kim Garam under the bus to avoid any controversy rather than to do what was right.
I've read that Garam managed to finish school and started to attend university to break into acting ... will continue to support her and pray that she succeeds !!
She was never forgotten. At least once a month, some Korean media will have an article about her, whether she just graduated or just taken some picture, her birthday, etc....
Garam was my favorite idol...I got to see her for 2 weeks then they took her away. :(
I get the sense there wasn't quite enough substance for fans to really feel her absence. She was only featured in 5 or 6 videos, barely saying anything in them, and didn't have many performances either. I feel as though many K-pop Fans struggle with attachment issues, despite her brief tenure as an idol-merely lasting ten days, not even two weeks. Considering it's been nearly two years since her departure, perhaps it's time to move on and let go.
@@aerabyeol I became a fan of Garam six months after her contract was terminated. Garam has attracted people's attention even after leaving the group, having only been in the group for 2 months and performing with the group for only 2 weeks. And no, I'm not going to leave her. In addition, Garam herself conveyed through her friend that she did not want the fans to leave her.
@@Amberinhereyes I already said what I had to say. There really wasnt a reply needed.
Yup there are many videos shows that people considered garam as visual of lesserafim. Tbh, i kinda agree cause garam has the princess vibe and during fearless era, garam presence is so strong that people rarely notice eunchae but then after garam was removed, eunchae start to gain attention
@@aerabyeol Your answer about moving on was also unnecessary. Don't tell other people what to do or who to support.
Her name is Haruka, mostly she debut in Le SSERAFIM but she deny in Final Evaluation, Sadly, hope she doing well now 😭
She also joined R U Next and she didn’t get to debut in ILLIT! She would fit ILLIT so much!❤
Hybe tried their best to protect garam but at that time everyone was mocking Hybe ..they even said Garam slept with hybe's manager and producer ... Now everyone is saying that it was because of hybe,Garam is not in Lesserafim.. now??? Seriously 😑...
Really? that's disgusting. they did same with Jennie before her debut but YG really doesn't care about haters that much that's why they kept her in team. Hybe should have done same. Atleast should have let her take break for sometime to clear accusations. Same happened with soojin they should never have listened to haters. It's disrespectful to actual fans who support them.
Some fans just don’t want to take responsibility for what they said about Garam they put the blame on hybe instead to make themselves feel better
That's also true
@@aditikarale2131well they did put garam in hiatus and then her parents pulled the plug and removed her. Even if she wanted to stay her parents had the final say and they chose to remove her. I just hope she’s well know.
No they didn't try their best to protect Garam. They mismanaged the situation badly. She had serious bullying accusations with evidence(although misleading). Even people who were neutral in the whole situation weren't supporting her in case she was a bully. They should have cleared it before debut or delayed their debut to clear the accusations. She got little to no support during her time in the group. Hybe really thought they could debut her in the midst of a bullying accusation and people would support her.
omg, Haruka is so pretty! crossed fingers that she eventually succeeds if she chooses to debut with another group!
She never really got to start
None of them were.. no one should know about them or Gaf
Now get outta
I’m still wishing that she becomes who dreamed to be. She worked so hard and it’s sad that it was token away
I was a fan of LE SSERAFIM from their debut, and let me tell you one thing. GARAM was on a hiatus till summer and even after proven innocent people were hating her like crazy. It´s really crazy how people switched up. Like when it was announced that she was leaving I remember the tiktoks making fun of her and cheering she left. It was actually heartbreaking to watch and then few months later everybody switched up and was begging for her to come back. But I don´t think that HYBE made a bad choice, you needed to be there to understand how hated she was. And I also think that it wasnt only HYBE deciding for her. I think she also didn´t want to continue with her career after the hate, she was just a kid.
I remember her 😢
I don’t see why people are so upset about her not debuting with them? This happens all the time, she just wasn’t what they wanted for the group.
They? You mean the online trolls wouldn't let her continue in the group and Hybe pulled the plug
Well, someone's gotta cry. This industry is a hellish place, Haruka probably entered the debut team, while the managers already knew she wasn't going to be part of the final lineup just to film her crying and create a story for the tv show.
Companies should reject ALL allegations of school bullying. What matters is their “character” at present. Most accusations turn out to false/fabrications by haters. Easy to fabricate but difficult to verify. Plus it seems like, if even look at someone the wrong way (allegedly), you could be accused of bullying.
One day she will be successful 💞
It looks same as Hikaru. She almost debuted in XG /: I don't understand why they record and share it even though they know they won't be able to debut. This is so devastating ):
I think it was to give her exposure
Garam was my bias for the 2 weeks she was in the group... Despite her only being there for 2 weeks, I can't forget her 😭😭. I know it's selfish of me (and one viewer doesn't make very much difference) but I can't enjoy Lesserafim content like I did in those first 2 weeks of debut anymore...
Bro's a fan of a member than a group. Good riddance bye bye
@@关系-g7v Reported your hate speech to moderator.
Ruka would have fit the concept of illit so well.
Whenever i see or think or le sserafim i always think of Haruka how she could have been apart of le sserafim one of the most successful groups but i really hope she is doing well wherever she is, she has faced a lot of challenges after being removed from the debut line up such as RU NEXT i felt so bad for her but i would really love to see her debut in the next few years and hope she doesnt give up on her dreams and smile forever
it’s funny that it was speculated that ruka’s image overlapped with that of eunchae’s because i couldn’t tell garam and eunchae apart at first i didn’t watch r u next so idk anything about ruka but in the lesserafim docuseries she doesn’t look like she lacks presence, survival shows don’t always show you in the best light, i wish her the best in whatever she decides to do/does next
I literally stopped liking hybe/lesserafim after the Garam matter, cause I really feel so terrible after seeing hybe's "Strategy" to gain popularity and about lesesserafim just look at their earlier behavior towards garam.
I don't care if anyone calls me psycho or whatever but i will never change my opinion on this matter.
Half of the lessarafam members were a part of izone so they were already idols so they were gonna debut it's just others who didn't debut before le ssarafam
Half of them couldn't sing well on live stages. Too many heavy dances downgraded their vocals.
I really thought Haruka would have had the same story as Heeseung on R U Next? and that was why they showed her on the Le Sserafim documentary. He had gone through the same thing when he trained with TXT for the debut lineup and got removed later on, and I was almost certain they were gonna push for that narrative for Haruka as well.
Maybe that was the plan but she did not meet the expectations
@@annanowak9620 yeah probably
The other trainees became fan favourite quite quickly
I'm both sorry for garam and haruka
As a person who watched R u next survival show completly, i will say Ruka is still not ready or Def not prepared to be a member of Le sserafim.. Even sakura is still out of breath and tone after all these years.. Even in r u next, Ruka's perfos are a def No... its my opinion..
i remember the few 5dolls members should had been members of snsd (girls generation) and etc
Haruka could/ could have auditioned for KLP48, AKB48 latest Generation or HKT48 7th Generation. Maybe She could even become part of TripleS or audition for Hello Project! 🤑🤩
tripleS has already gotten their last 4 members since the whole group is 24 members in total
People outside of Japan don't seem to realise that Produce 101 Japan The Girls aired last year. Could've left Hybe and joined that instead. If they have a season 4 of Produce Japan, hopefully she might participate
I thought when she was Runext, the reason why she didnt debut with them was because she didnt think she can do it anymore and she was having a tough time mentally but decided to give another chance to Runext. Alsoooo a little rumor which i have no knowledge of is that she will be recruited to tripleS
Hope she joins tripleS!!!
Lol what’s with these all “the forgotten member of [insert group’s name]” series on this channel? I mean, pretty sure there were hundreds of idols who had undergone the same training with the current active members but still didn’t make it to the final lineup, right? Yes it’s sad that some of them didn’t make it or haven’t had a chance to debut or had to leave the group for various reasons but things happened. I just hope everything goes well for them forward and they don’t dwell too much on the past.
I love how HYBE denied all allegations about garam but not dating rumors about other groups bts and others like HYBE….
she was likely cut because they only wanted 6 members to represent seraphims having 6 wings.
Justice for GARAM!!!!!
I think it's not in her fate I'm feeling so bad for her I hope she still get a chance and debute with group she deserve better
Look at Natty. It took her almost 10 years but she's finally getting the recognition she deserves with Kiss of Life who are one the best 5th gen girl groups.
im sorry but i really dont like how you mislead in the beginning. lesserafim was always meant to be 6. the celestrial being seraph (seraphim) is a 6 winged angel. why would their name be based of this being but have 7 members. haruka trained with the girls for a while but hybe pulled her as she didnt fit the look they wanted. then eunchae was added.
Let's say haruka join the official lineup, does that mean one of either Eunchae or Kazuha will not make it?
@@obriendenis3965they had 5 members and were going to six, but then decided to leave out ruka so they started looking for 2 members instead of one. so probably
If haruka debuted then kazuha wouldn't be a member right??
When LSF was forming, I think the concept was Chaewon, Sakura and their two young proteges in an elegant IZ*ONE style group. Once they realized Chaewon had become a monster and Sakura could keep up with anything, it shifted. When Yunjin joined, the group got lot taller, and with Kazuha being recruited they knew the couldn't have three Japanese girls, and that Ruka was just too short. I thought she was really sharp in RU, but again she didn't fit the newjeans concept they were obviously aiming for. When she came back at the end of show she looked totally radiant. I consider her a member of LSF, and I'm sure Hybe has treated her well. I would love to see her in a Hybe Japan group, but I think she'll do well behind the scenes too.
Yeah the height difference was big
But zuha was recruited after ruka left 😅. Le Sserafim was formed around Sakura/Chaewon. This is Bangs gg and he didn’t want nj concept or izone/ive concept. He originally wanted - minju as well from izone but she stayed firm in izone being her one group and wanted to act. Tried several times to persuade her and her agency.
Chaewon/kkura were the most popular members in China/japan alongside minju.
Now yunjin was brought in and idk when ruka/garam came in. But, from interviews kkura/chaewon/yunjin said it was the threes of them training together a long time before other members came.
Ergo idk if they were told not to talk bout ruka anymore or not. But, zuha came in late and eunchae even more so.
@@parawolfwolfsbane9524 I'm sure they had their eye on Zuha before they let Ruka go, but she was probably already on thin ice. Yunjin really changed the trajectory of the group, being American and a singer, but still with the Kpop trainee cred.
Imagine kicking out potential member just to debut ...eho cant sing live or tone deaf
Her experience can damage her mentally. This is hurtful. I hope she gets help and support.
Garam should have been with Le SSerafim. Come on HYBE.
For me Haruka fits so well with lesserafim's aesthetics. Would've loved to see her on the group. Wishing her the best
Reminds me of the documentary of XG, where one member, their leader, was removed right before their launch. It was heartbreaking.
Why
I honestly had hoped that Haruka would be the one to debut somewhere. Maybe TripleS. She is STILL too good.
It’s rough… I can’t imagine how that would affect someone moving forward. Rejection is hard enough to deal with… but to have it broadcast so publicly for entertainment is taking it to another level. Hopefully this won’t affect her self confidence in life.
I hope she has the most successful acting career
At the time when Haruka was on the training team, Garam was already with them, notice that in the practice scenes they zoom in and don't show the entire room, always cutting out some part...
In a parallel world, perhaps the group would debut with 7 members, or perhaps with 6 more without Kazuha or Eunchae who joined later.
With how bad Le Sserafim is at singing this days, I'm glad Haruka & Garam aren't in the group
When there's a non celeb bullying incident or accusation no netz take that shit seriously its only when it comes to celebs and the fake accusations they act as if they be against "bullying crimes" and start to act clean and pratical and boycott idols w out the exact proof or confirmation but theyll also go on the most lowest level you'll ever see just to depress the already depressed idol more💀typical dumb shit behaviour
eg : garam,soojin,i think one skz member too who's not in the grp anymore.
im prolly just delulu, but if ruka joined le serrafim, maybe they wouldn't have faced the six member curse, and garam would still be with them
I feel so bad for her.
Is really sad that Hybe didn't debut Ruka! She's so talend!
Sakura also debuted in AKB48
Gurl.. this was so easy..
So basically Garam was CUT off the Documentary because she is NOT apart of HYBE anymore! They literally cut her Exclusive contract. That's it! And Ruka is still in the Documentary because she is still in HYBE! If she is still in HYBE, she could train a few more years for PLEDIS and SouMu's girl groups that could feature her in. She still has a chance with the global audition on PLEDIS and SouMu! But if she leaves, her part will also be removed in the Documentary.
Doesn’t take a genius to understand why garam was edited out while haruka was included. One is contracted under hybe while the other wasn’t.
Can you make a video about SM girl rookies who couldn't debut
She has good visuals ❤ she could've been a great add to their group
I feel like they wouldn’t have shown garam because she did debut with them, but then she got kicked out so she’s no longer a member with them so that’s why they couldn’t see her/show her in the documentary, but I feel like if she just trained with them, but she didn’t make it to the final lineupnWe could’ve seen her in documentary I just feel like if you’re a former member you can’t be seen in any old clips with the group any more that is filmed by the company.
So regrettable that Kim garam won’t get debit. She’s so gorgeous!
im waiting for her appearance again ❤️
I wonder why no one brought up Sakura's dark past when she was still in AKB
gosh! they did the '05 liners dirty!!
tbh i dont think ruka's stage present was that bad:(( she actually caught my eye whenever she was singing, what you could say is that she doesnt get attention when others are singing, but shes really talented imo
Hybe is sus, kicked garam & ruka for no valid reason
bad company who only cares money
Hard to get footing with personally and “it” level of Chae, Jennifer, Garam, and potato. That crew was stacked. And throw Sakura into the mix with her resume. Very difficult.
*Fact Check for 1:22 audio * Yoo eunseo did not say that she wanted to hurt herself because garam "tormented her", it was in present day after her classmates and netizens accused her for being behind the accusations.
Well haruka and garam dodged a whole bomb
Le Serrafim can’t sing without auto tune, she dodged a bullet lol
Haruka being replaced by Garam after being removed from the group is very saddening.
I forgot about ruka. I hope she will debut sooner or later. she's cute though
i am so sad for her, he couldnt do it in RUNext as well...😢
On r u next she wasn't that good. She was also super super short. She wouldn't have fit with LE SSERAFIM at all neither with ILLIT
What does her height have to do with the groups?
@@luvv_rii7e Height is very important in a group's image and their harmony on stage.
Do you really think Ruka who is maybe 155cm would have looked good dancing next to Yunjin who is 172cm on stage?
@@Melia_67Chaeyoung & Tzuyu💀
@@Melia_67 are you fr right now😭
Even her and Chaewon (164 cm) would have had a huge difference. Chaewon already sticks out compared to the others in terms of height
NEVER FORGOTTEEEEEENNN !!!!!!
I will support Haruka as a solo artist or an independent artist.
I hope haruka will be debut under hybe labels - source music new gg project 😻 cant wait
5:10 no we do, It’s because of her face! It seems like kpop companies intentionally pick idols whom share similar visuals.. I mean look at newjeans 😅! i genuinely think she wasn’t chosen for le sserafim because her visuals do not compliment the other member’s visuals! I mean it makes sense, but it’s definitely harsh!
Never heard of both
Garam was my bias, sad some jealous person ruined a 16 year old career.
she was mine as well =/
I NEED GARAM’S DOCUMENTARY
Hybe didnt do anything to protect her at all and not even an apology for not supporting her after everything was cleared up!!!!
Sakura debut four times already in hkt48 abk48 iz*one then le sserafim😅😅
Not to be mean but with so many idols vying to debut these days you have to bring your A game or look outstanding enough that it doesn’t really matter… unfortunately she didn’t fill either of those roles so I can see why she didn’t make it with either of the 2 groups 🤔🤔…. 4 years is a lot but many better idols have trained for much longer
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they were weird for that tbh
lesserafim lost one of their wings 😔😔
I LAND 2 IS NO HUBE CONTROL ANYMORE IN FACT ITS TBL AND MNET PARTNERSHIP AND BTW ALL OF THE TRAINEE WAS REVEAL 😊 AND ITS COMING SOON IN MNET
It’s better for her not debuting in lesserafim as they are getting bash for bad vocal this days
which is totally dumb... people dont get that they're only human beings
To Be Honest, Garam was actually the Vocal of The Group unfortunately Hybe didn't protect her since Garam voice was the Best out of the Le Sserafim, if they had manage to protect Garam then Le Sserafim won't get bash because of their lack of Vocals
@@rhenzernieta2914 true
@@rhenzernieta2914garam is just average lol 😭 she's not even that good at dancing and her voice is just average compared to yunjin and chaewon. 💀
Its funny how people blame Hybe as always in every negative things but praises the agency instead of Hybe if it's positive. Some people are just trully subjective and lacks EQ and IQ.
wait a minute did i see huruka in universal ticket
Light Yagami: Sakura you suck