I'll buy online from a reputable store. Most people can't grade packaging & vinyl correctly just as most can't grade sport cards correctly. Buy in person & be careful as the scam is on via the internet ! Greed , is NOT good.
I think what really killed the vinyl market is the exorbitant seller fees on discogs. It fucks the seller and buyers by at least 30%. I would also say that the hype and mania surrounding vinyl revival post-covid was unsustainable. Vinyl companies and labels got greedy with all their wildly over-priced gimmicky releases and reissues. They really felt like fans and vinyl nerds would pay anything for anything. When new releases cost $40-60 retail and close to double that on the secondary market, the value simply is just NOT there anymore. As much as i love vinyl I have slowed down considerably. Now I only buy what I find in the wild and is fairly priced
Well you and I are exactly the same. I slowed way down. It just went too nuts and you are bang on about fees. They impacted the market way too much, great comment!!! 🎉
Just found your channel, great video topic, the prices continuing to rise has me slowed down on vinyl purchases considerably, I live in British Columbia and have noticed even the independent stores have raised their prices to lofty levels, I have been buying more cds though they are rising in price as well, great video cheers
Another great vid! I recently had an eBay feeding frenzy of my own after being blown away by a recent concert by The Damned, suddenly feeling a great need to replace some long-gone 45s (kicked off by scoring a signed-by- Vanian copy of GENERALS at the merch table). I found a dealer with a few unplayed ‘85 Big Beat reissues (LOVE SONG Dave cover, SMASH IT UP), plus the’82 LIVELY ARTS green vinyl, all of which I used to have, all appear to be Tower mark-downs with a corner clip, but I don’t care! I also found the criminally less-known Magic Michael MILLIONAIRE 45 (backed by the guys during the MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE sessions, and it sounds just like it), the one U.S. listing on eBay, for a reasonable price too! It’s not dead for me yet, but I sort of prefer saving up for an annual record show over hitting stores with pocket-busting frequency. Plus, there’s boutique blu-rays to buy!
Hey Dan. Price gouging is out of control. I agree that many sellers are deceptive, preying on the novice. You are right regarding grading condition, many sellers often try to pass a VG lp off as Near Mint or Ex. 🤪
Some interesting points there Dan. Regarding the Millennium S/S copy. Well, once you open it up, it isn't a S/S copy anymore, so you'd have to list it as Mint, and lose out on the bucks. Plus, always read the small print in ads. The one that cracks me up is, "visually graded by using a strong light". How many records have you got that look great, but in fact are so-so sounding? As they say, "One man's mint..." My god! I would definitely avoid the Goldenrod album just by looking at the pics!
Always read the small print. I get it. Tough to open a sealed and then de value it. But if you don’t know what pressing it is…..I wonder if you really should just “guess” Hope you are doing well Bruce! 🎉
@@dotsloops7486 Hey Dan..., yep things are fine thanks. To give you a few examples..., many moons ago, I bought a S/S copy of a Thunderclap Newman L.P. When I opened it, it was cracked. Not on the edge, but half way across the playing area. So I'm assuming something was dropped on it. I managed to get a refund sorted out. I've also got a S/S copy of "The Eyes Of The Beacon Street Union" that I grabbed pre-internet days, via Record Collector Magazine. I hope it hasn't suffered the same fate that Thunderclap did!
It’s the beginning of the end, I saw this coming around 2018. In a way it’s a good thing, the bubble will burst and things will go back to normal for us longtime collectors. Along with the crappy reissues they keep releasing, quality control issues that never get resolved. The public is getting tired of it. Most of the albums I’m selling on Discogs are mainly reissues that didn’t meet my liking. I think in the next couple of years, used record store bins will be filled with these new reissues, mark my words.
Dan, you sound like the Grim Reaper of Vinyl. I hope it's not that bad. I do agree with you on all points. Price gouging is way out of hand. These people are not selling their records, they are holding them for ransom!
Hate buying online, all those years maybe i have bought 20 recs online and those are some needed ones....i live for the thrill of digging.....never fell into buying cds trip either.....so happy that recs prices went high because i have many expensive ones throu' the years of digging for hippy vinyl....regards....
Retail in store buying is dead too. Stores overgrade their albums. In fact, Goodwill here has taken all their donated records away sending them to processing for their ecommerce store. I have a feeling someone blabbed when they found a $1k+ rare Elvis. As a interesting side note, my friends would hang out at that GW record section waiting for new donations or putbacks and I no longer see them.
My local store finally did that too. Just a year or so ago I’d find NM copies of classic rock albums every other week. I had a stack of Dark side of the moon records for a while from there. Also found Klipsch heresys in the same store for $10. The rarest, best records will still slip through the cracks and be put on the shelf for a dollar, you just need to be there when it happens.
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls One day a mint jazz collection came out. One guy bought 100 LP for 1.29 each. Another guy got more and even I got some. That was earlier this year!
I'm still finding deals but usually at the overpriced thrift that lowballs the rare stuff. But getting insane. Good thing most people don't go for the music I like...
Location, location, location! I have to drive all day to get to a record store so discogs and eBay plus old guys with sales and auction lists is the way I go. I get what I'm looking for at decent prices and I don't have to spend $100 in gas plus staying a night in a motel!
There are other reasons for the death of vinyl - - Record store day has become boring with a lot of the day's specials being colored pressings, live albums and and just average stuff. - The cost of vinyl versus other formats such as cd and downloads is exorbitant. - The vinyl itself is cut off a cd digital master - with no reference to the orginal analogue master tape. In effect the vinyl sounds the same as cd. - the cost of a good quality record deck, stylus, phono stage is into the thousands before you have bougt any vinyl.
Yeah gotta agree with ya on this one. I personally never buy used records online, never have , never will. I buy new records online from only Amazon and only when they are great deal. I also ask my local store owner if he can match price and give him first dibs. I noticed the enormous ridiculous shipping fees on many of those listings, crazy stupid. You could ship to the northern most tip of Greenland for less.
Shipping has also gone mental. At least for some. 10 years ago folks would grind you if the shipping was a dollar over. Now you pay 💰 inflated dollars on shipping, I don’t live on Saturn. 🪐
Nice prices! I follow local 80s hardcore record prices. One sellee is asking 4000 Eur of 400 Eut record.... I have feeling that some of those prices are for advertise purposes to get people see what other items seller have... And that price is anchoring price to compare other prices that feels cheap... Anyway, nice points.
The best antique mall record booth I ever saw was one where every single record was ultrasonically cleaned, and these were stuff listed in the $5-$25 range, so no excuse to not clean stuff you are trying to get hundreds of dollars for.
Isn't that part of the buzz about collecting, sorting the wheat from the chaff. As with anything, an item is only worth what someone is prepared to pay. I may pay a little bit over the odds for something that I've been searching for for years but generally I tap out if the price is too high.
As a small eBay seller of vinyl I find all my buyers are very price conscious and only pull the trigger when its a fair price. I find the outlandish pricing by some to be very entertaining as I believe you have as well.
In Australia if you don't buy online you don't have a collection. ☺️ Just bought a VG copy of Sabbath Vol4, it arrived with scratches everywhere and a rather deep one in one spot, it played noisy throughout and very noisy where the deep scratch was for an entire track. Basically unlistenable whenever loud guitars aren't playing. If something is noisy throughout it probably shouldn't be rated VERY Good.
I did a lot of online buying when I first got online in the early 00s. It was access to US psych or soul/funk records that I would have never found here in the UK. Still ended up with plenty of VG records sold as VG+ but they were relatively cheap so it was easier to live with. But as record prices/p&p went up and grading got worse I slowed right down to the point I rarely buy online now. I'll be at the market tomorrow and will have that excitement only real world digging delivers. Will I find a rare long time want cheap? Highly unlikely but I'll still get a buzz and find something I didn't know I needed... hopefully. UK sellers are the worst imho. Can't grade and charge more than anyone else in the world. Not all of them but a high percentage do. Keep on keeping it real Dan....cheers Nige
Dan Da Man, I Agree with everything you stated, my favorite thing to do is add them to my want list on D-OGS (censorship) and watchlist on the E-Baaaay (censorship) and watch those prices just keep droppin' and droppin', it brings me happiness and joy just knowing that the result of their price gouging is pure disappointment and super sadness mixed with puddles of tears!!! I just hope our government doesn't start pushing for bills through congress titled PTRSSD-1 (Post-traumatic record sellers stress disorder) oh great, taxes going up, nevermind, buy online people, buy, buy, buy ... LOL, Great stuff Dan as always! Cheers 🍻
I can report that I found a copy of Moby Grape uncensored Cdn copy last week for $20 Cdn so still have hope Dan, and never stop stopping! And if record collecting is dead, then we your subs are all zombies 🧟♂️ Thanks and good night!
there has always beeen dishonest sellers on ebay but theyre feedback and rating will tell you that so as in the old saying goes a fool and his money are easily parted.
I buy lps online all the time. Id say 75% of the time it goes fine. Occasionally i get a dud but im usually able to fix it without too much trouble. Watch seller ratings!
For me it’s the fact the term ‘Limited Edition’ means nothing now lol New artists will have every pressing listed as limited edition and those pressings will still be up for months.
Yup - dead. I stopped buying online used somewhere around 2015 - prices were still fair, shipping was fair. Now, its all over the place with people who are trying to rob others or simply don't know what they are doing. Lucky I got in when I did and got a bulk of my collection in the 90s and early 2000s.
What you pointed out are issues with the business.There are issues with every business. Bottom line is that there are many dealers still making a living buying and selling vinyl online ,so as it stands,buying records is not dead.
@@dotsloops7486 I had a feeling you were going to say that.I also sell comics and cards and let me tell you ..the record business is such a pleasure in comparison.
My local record store blows. They price new records at least $10 more than their MSRP, including on RSD. And they burn so much incense that everything you buy there smells like patchouli and dragons blood. That’s just my local store, most indie record stores are great.
Ha! Damn Dragons Blood stores. I am lucky. Some good sellers around here, but I have walked in a few stores only to walk right out again. You can usually tell pretty quickly if a shop is run by pirates. 🏴☠️
Side note: Never buy old sealed records is my usual standard. Too risky. Sealed records are for sissies. Price increases, so do not shop online? I do agree that prices obviously have gone up. This mainly happened during the “we are bored, hey lets buy a record player!” “we are bored, lets spend our football/concert money on more records” pandemic days. No doubt that in general the market went nutso bizzaro for whatever reasons between 2018-2021. I do think those prices you are showing are extreme and do not really reflect the overall market. But point taken. Deception in record selling? Nah, tell me it isnt true! ;) In a free market society “buyer beware” should be a given. Be smart in your shopping. Tricky car salesmen are in every area of the marketplace. This is not something new with records. Example: In the early 00’s I purchased a sealed (yes I broke my rule becauss of the price) fairly rare album. Opened it and it was obviously a resealed lp. Had scratches all over and even fingerprints (I mean at least clean the fingerprints all over the thing off lol). Then when confronted the guy gave me this long “my dog ate my homework” story. Lesson learned. Point? Deceptive sellers have been around in this hobby since the beginning. Nothing new. Be smarter and don’t knee jerk. If it is too good to be true, guess what? It probably isn’t true. Grading worse? This one Im iffy about. Ive been a record/lp/45 hobbyist since 1984 and first started buying used through mail with Goldmine Magazine (remember all those tiny bunches up hand written ads to sift through with a magnifying glass? Ha) Grading was not always consistent then either. And there was little recourse. Also, you got ripped off in a Goldmine auction? Sorry for your badluck. Im not so sure that grading has gotten worse as the mass quanities and opportunity to buy has increased, thus increasing the amount of poor grading. But I can maybe go with the idea that grading has became an increased dicey proposition. Again though, buyer beware is the phrase of the day. I still buy online but unlike with the old Goldmine days the advantage, if one will take the time, is we can have an online convo with someone. Heck we can even FT to see the item we are buying. Press the seller. If they refuse to communicate, move on. There are literally thousands upon thousands to choose from. In the end it falls on the buyer to have a list of many records that he or she is searching for. Don’t get stuck on a list of five and panic. Make a list of 100 and be patient. Make the numbers and percentages work in your favor. Find trusted buyers online that you can buy several albums for a cheaper shipping cost. Dont be afraid to ask a seller for a deal. And don’t discount reissues. There are tons of well done, great sounding reissued lps out there. Yes, there are tons of poorly done reissues also. Again, this falls on the buyer to educate, read reviews, network etc. I can’t really agree that record buying online is dead. It is just a bigger game that brings both disadvantages and advantages. I also think that the stance of record buying online is dead may be due to a bit of bias. It is easy to make that statement if one has local record shops, lives in or near bigger towns for garage and estate sales etc. For those of us who live in the sticks? Online record buying is about it. So we have to either be smart and patient or be knee jerk/impatient and get screwed. Take your time, buyer beware, ask questions, make deals, think before you push that button etc and buying online can be a great experience still. Thanks for the video buddy! Good stuff to think about even if we do not completely agree 👍🏻👍🏻🎸
Well…what an excellent comment and counter points. Thanks! 🙏 Completely agree about taking your time, and buyer beware always! Awesome comment and advice. Thanks for laying it out there! 🎉 Good discussion 🎉
sorry but dont agree, been on Ebay since 2000 and it has always been like you decribe, you just have to be careful have a sharp eye and try to buy from sellers with really good feedback,
I'D BUY THOSE RECORDS IN ROUGH SHAPE, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME PARTY PEOPLE! AND I WOULDN'T BUY THEM FROM THOSE PLATFORMS EITHER.....BRICK AND MORTOR SHOP ALL DAY!!!!!!!!
I think it's about connecting w a good dealer. I buy reggae records online all the time. I got guys I've been getting from for years. Most records I get are from Jamaica. So I don't think it's true. I got 2 huge record stores in my back yard(,Jerry's used records and the attic) no good reggae.....so enjoy your records!
@@davepounds8924Dave. Of course it’s clickbait. A lot of albums are sold online. Always will be…..but do you not think $2000 K for an original Thriller is a bit much? It’s meant for Entertainment purposes Dave. Obviously not for you. That’s okay. I appreciate the comment and perspective. Have a good one! ☝️
I'll buy online from a reputable store. Most people can't grade packaging & vinyl correctly just as most can't grade sport cards correctly. Buy in person & be careful as the scam is on via the internet ! Greed , is NOT good.
100%! I know some great sellers online and most are awesome. But a few are pretty reckless. Buyer beware!!! 🎉
Buying online certainly isn't dead. Just be a wise consumer and you will be fine.
Dead!!! 💀 No. you are of course right Elliott. Not Dead at all, just a few things to watch for. Cheers! 🥂 🎉
I think what really killed the vinyl market is the exorbitant seller fees on discogs. It fucks the seller and buyers by at least 30%. I would also say that the hype and mania surrounding vinyl revival post-covid was unsustainable. Vinyl companies and labels got greedy with all their wildly over-priced gimmicky releases and reissues. They really felt like fans and vinyl nerds would pay anything for anything. When new releases cost $40-60 retail and close to double that on the secondary market, the value simply is just NOT there anymore. As much as i love vinyl I have slowed down considerably. Now I only buy what I find in the wild and is fairly priced
Well you and I are exactly the same. I slowed way down. It just went too nuts and you are bang on about fees. They impacted the market way too much, great comment!!! 🎉
Dan you are right on everything. Great Video
Ha! Thanks man!
Just found your channel, great video topic, the prices continuing to rise has me slowed down on vinyl purchases considerably, I live in British Columbia and have noticed even the independent stores have raised their prices to lofty levels, I have been buying more cds though they are rising in price as well, great video cheers
Hey thanks! 🙏 Yeah prices continue to creep up. It’s too bad, especially for new collectors! Take care! 🎉 thanks for comment.
Another great vid! I recently had an eBay feeding frenzy of my own after being blown away by a recent concert by The Damned, suddenly feeling a great need to replace some long-gone 45s (kicked off by scoring a signed-by- Vanian copy of GENERALS at the merch table). I found a dealer with a few unplayed ‘85 Big Beat reissues (LOVE SONG Dave cover, SMASH IT UP), plus the’82 LIVELY ARTS green vinyl, all of which I used to have, all appear to be Tower mark-downs with a corner clip, but I don’t care! I also found the criminally less-known Magic Michael MILLIONAIRE 45 (backed by the guys during the MACHINE GUN ETIQUETTE sessions, and it sounds just like it), the one U.S. listing on eBay, for a reasonable price too! It’s not dead for me yet, but I sort of prefer saving up for an annual record show over hitting stores with pocket-busting frequency. Plus, there’s boutique blu-rays to buy!
Agree. Love saving up for annual show. Sounds like you found some good deals online. And of course. They are still there! Keep hunting! Cheers!!! 🎉🥂
Hey Dan. Price gouging is out of control. I agree that many sellers are deceptive, preying on the novice. You are right regarding grading condition, many sellers often try to pass a VG lp off as Near Mint or Ex. 🤪
It’s true sadly. But hey. There are good sellers also out there. But unfortunately some not so good ones also. Take care man! 👨 🎉
I clicked on this ready to leave some snarky comment but I can't because I think you nailed it.
Ha! Snarkys are welcomed! Plus. I’m gonna do “What’s amazing about buying vinyl!” Next week! 😊🎉 Cheers
Hope Al is well Dan. God bless
All the best to you!!! 🎉
Some interesting points there Dan. Regarding the Millennium S/S copy. Well, once you open it up, it isn't a S/S copy anymore, so you'd have to list it as Mint, and lose out on the bucks. Plus, always read the small print in ads. The one that cracks me up is, "visually graded by using a strong light". How many records have you got that look great, but in fact are so-so sounding?
As they say, "One man's mint..." My god! I would definitely avoid the Goldenrod album just by looking at the pics!
Always read the small print. I get it. Tough to open a sealed and then de value it. But if you don’t know what pressing it is…..I wonder if you really should just “guess” Hope you are doing well Bruce! 🎉
@@dotsloops7486 Hey Dan..., yep things are fine thanks. To give you a few examples..., many moons ago, I bought a S/S copy of a Thunderclap Newman L.P. When I opened it, it was cracked. Not on the edge, but half way across the playing area. So I'm assuming something was dropped on it. I managed to get a refund sorted out.
I've also got a S/S copy of "The Eyes Of The Beacon Street Union" that I grabbed pre-internet days, via Record Collector Magazine. I hope it hasn't suffered the same fate that Thunderclap did!
It’s the beginning of the end, I saw this coming around 2018. In a way it’s a good thing, the bubble will burst and things will go back to normal for us longtime collectors. Along with the crappy reissues they keep releasing, quality control issues that never get resolved. The public is getting tired of it. Most of the albums I’m selling on Discogs are mainly reissues that didn’t meet my liking. I think in the next couple of years, used record store bins will be filled with these new reissues, mark my words.
Seems like the market is flooded with re issues and RSD releases that didn’t sell…..we shall see what happens! 🎉
Dan, you sound like the Grim Reaper of Vinyl. I hope it's not that bad. I do agree with you on all points. Price gouging is way out of hand. These people are not selling their records, they are holding them for ransom!
For Ransom!!! Don’t Fear the Reaper Ron!!! Ha!!! 😅😅 Was just having fun. But some of these prices are whacked!!!! 😮
hahahaha best comment ever Ron!!!!
Hate buying online, all those years maybe i have bought 20 recs online and those are some needed ones....i live for the thrill of digging.....never fell into buying cds trip either.....so happy that recs prices went high because i have many expensive ones throu' the years of digging for hippy vinyl....regards....
The thrill of the Hunt Kit! All the way my friend!!! 🎉🎉🎉
@@dotsloops7486 Yea amigo mio....and something else, the magick disappears when you buy analogue music digitally haha....
Retail in store buying is dead too. Stores overgrade their albums. In fact, Goodwill here has taken all their donated records away sending them to processing for their ecommerce store. I have a feeling someone blabbed when they found a $1k+ rare Elvis. As a interesting side note, my friends would hang out at that GW record section waiting for new donations or putbacks and I no longer see them.
Pretty sad. Hope you still find some good stuff!!! 🎉🎉🎉
My local store finally did that too. Just a year or so ago I’d find NM copies of classic rock albums every other week. I had a stack of Dark side of the moon records for a while from there. Also found Klipsch heresys in the same store for $10. The rarest, best records will still slip through the cracks and be put on the shelf for a dollar, you just need to be there when it happens.
@@Pluralofvinylisvinyls One day a mint jazz collection came out. One guy bought 100 LP for 1.29 each. Another guy got more and even I got some. That was earlier this year!
I'm still finding deals but usually at the overpriced thrift that lowballs the rare stuff. But getting insane. Good thing most people don't go for the music I like...
Always good when you have particular taste! 😅🎉
Location, location, location!
I have to drive all day to get to a record store so discogs and eBay plus old guys with sales and auction lists is the way I go. I get what I'm looking for at decent prices and I don't have to spend $100 in gas plus staying a night in a motel!
Fair! If you have to drive that far. Lucky over here. Some great stores in town. Online can be fine. But just have to be careful! Cheers 🎉
The shipping cost on the listing you showed were frickin outrageous..
Outrageous!!! 🎉
There are other reasons for the death of vinyl -
- Record store day has become boring with a lot of the day's specials being colored pressings, live albums and and just average stuff.
- The cost of vinyl versus other formats such as cd and downloads is exorbitant.
- The vinyl itself is cut off a cd digital master - with no reference to the orginal analogue master tape. In effect the vinyl sounds the same as cd.
- the cost of a good quality record deck, stylus, phono stage is into the thousands before you have bougt any vinyl.
Thanks. I sadly must agree about RSD. Seems totally manufactured, for the most part. Thanks for comment 🎉
Still the greatest VC intro in the YT universe!!
Ha! Hahahahahah! 😅 Thanks Lonny! Gotta do at least one thing right!! 😅 🎉 Cheers! 🥂
@@dotsloops7486 you do everything great Brother, VC royalty!! Cheers Brother 🍻☮
Yeah gotta agree with ya on this one. I personally never buy used records online, never have , never will. I buy new records online from only Amazon and only when they are great deal. I also ask my local store owner if he can match price and give him first dibs. I noticed the enormous ridiculous shipping fees on many of those listings, crazy stupid. You could ship to the northern most tip of Greenland for less.
Shipping has also gone mental. At least for some. 10 years ago folks would grind you if the shipping was a dollar over. Now you pay 💰 inflated dollars on shipping, I don’t live on Saturn. 🪐
Love the channel name. But I'm more Transient Random Noises With Announcements. Thankfully I've got a local record store to frequent.
Ha! TRNWA make it so! Love my local shops. Still the best way to buy em! 🎉
No way. My collection consists of 90% online purchases and continues to be due to the record stores inventory and lack of what I need.
Nice prices! I follow local 80s hardcore record prices. One sellee is asking 4000 Eur of 400 Eut record.... I have feeling that some of those prices are for advertise purposes to get people see what other items seller have... And that price is anchoring price to compare other prices that feels cheap... Anyway, nice points.
Interesting take on the Advertising to just draw attention to!!! Probably right. Got my attention 😅. Cheers for comment. 🎉
Main reason I order online from retail. They always exchange defective records..which are quite a lot of. Local stores give you a hard time.
True. Sometimes easier to return! cheers 🎉
With Truedump as PM Canadians should have plenty of money for records.
One problem that I have encountered with asking for photos of records on Discogs is that at least half of the requests go unanswered.
That can happen, it’s a bit frustrating for sure! 🎉
The best antique mall record booth I ever saw was one where every single record was ultrasonically cleaned, and these were stuff listed in the $5-$25 range, so no excuse to not clean stuff you are trying to get hundreds of dollars for.
1000 percent agree, make some effort. But if you are selling $1000 record, it’s a MUST to clean 🎉
Isn't that part of the buzz about collecting, sorting the wheat from the chaff. As with anything, an item is only worth what someone is prepared to pay. I may pay a little bit over the odds for something that I've been searching for for years but generally I tap out if the price is too high.
Very true. You just need to take your time and be careful, and in the end. Have fun! 🤩 Cheers 🎉
As a small eBay seller of vinyl I find all my buyers are very price conscious and only pull the trigger when its a fair price. I find the outlandish pricing by some to be very entertaining as I believe you have as well.
100% It is actually just humor. I get trying to make money it’s a free world. But it is kinda funny sometimes 🎉 Thanks 🙏
In Australia if you don't buy online you don't have a collection. ☺️
Just bought a VG copy of Sabbath Vol4, it arrived with scratches everywhere and a rather deep one in one spot, it played noisy throughout and very noisy where the deep scratch was for an entire track.
Basically unlistenable whenever loud guitars aren't playing.
If something is noisy throughout it probably shouldn't be rated VERY Good.
Sorry to hear that. I’m not opposed to buying online. But it can be a crapshoot with newer sellers. Thanks for comment! 🎉
I did a lot of online buying when I first got online in the early 00s. It was access to US psych or soul/funk records that I would have never found here in the UK. Still ended up with plenty of VG records sold as VG+ but they were relatively cheap so it was easier to live with. But as record prices/p&p went up and grading got worse I slowed right down to the point I rarely buy online now. I'll be at the market tomorrow and will have that excitement only real world digging delivers. Will I find a rare long time want cheap? Highly unlikely but I'll still get a buzz and find something I didn't know I needed... hopefully. UK sellers are the worst imho. Can't grade and charge more than anyone else in the world. Not all of them but a high percentage do. Keep on keeping it real Dan....cheers Nige
Nige! The natural dig is still the best for sure! May they come your way!!! Cheers! 🥂 🎉
Dan Da Man, I Agree with everything you stated, my favorite thing to do is add them to my want list on D-OGS (censorship) and watchlist on the E-Baaaay (censorship) and watch those prices just keep droppin' and droppin', it brings me happiness and joy just knowing that the result of their price gouging is pure disappointment and super sadness mixed with puddles of tears!!! I just hope our government doesn't start pushing for bills through congress titled PTRSSD-1 (Post-traumatic record sellers stress disorder) oh great, taxes going up, nevermind, buy online people, buy, buy, buy ... LOL, Great stuff Dan as always! Cheers 🍻
Hahahahha Who knows what Government will do!?!?! 🎉😂
@@dotsloops7486 True story!! Have a great weekend Dan!! 🎉🥳
@@dotsloops7486 True that, Have a great weekend Dan, cheers!! 🥳🎉
I can report that I found a copy of Moby Grape uncensored Cdn copy last week for $20 Cdn so still have hope Dan, and never stop stopping!
And if record collecting is dead, then we your subs are all zombies 🧟♂️
Thanks and good night!
Hahahaha Zombie!!!🧟 Nice Moby find! 🎉 Have a great night ! 🎉
They cost way the hell to much. Buy CDs and cassettes.
This whole “I know what my records are worth” thing started about the time they legalized marijuana. Coincidence?
Hahahahaha. Everyone on the junk! 😂
there has always beeen dishonest sellers on ebay but theyre feedback and rating will tell you that so as in the old saying goes a fool and his money are easily parted.
Buyer beware!!!
I buy lps online all the time. Id say 75% of the time it goes fine. Occasionally i get a dud but im usually able to fix it without too much trouble. Watch seller ratings!
True! Generally folks will sort you out if something goes wrong. 👍
I think all five points, valid as they are, can be summarized in one word: greed. BTW, has your intro music gotten scratchier over the years?
Ha! Greed! Not sure. Older MP3 file? Enjoy the weekend! 🎉
For me it’s the fact the term ‘Limited Edition’ means nothing now lol
New artists will have every pressing listed as limited edition and those pressings will still be up for months.
Yep. The classic Limited Pressing. Until they press it next time. Like say…when the first pressing sells out 🎉
Yup - dead. I stopped buying online used somewhere around 2015 - prices were still fair, shipping was fair. Now, its all over the place with people who are trying to rob others or simply don't know what they are doing. Lucky I got in when I did and got a bulk of my collection in the 90s and early 2000s.
I just keep buying brand new records for £10 or so on Amazon. I'm buying MORE online now than before.
Well at $10 pounds. You are good! 👍 It’s when they want $1000 for that same record. Cheers 🎉
What you pointed out are issues with the business.There are issues with every business.
Bottom line is that there are many dealers still making a living buying and selling vinyl online ,so as it stands,buying records is not dead.
100%. Not dead at all. Being dramatic over here for fun. But. You do have to take care sometimes. Thanks 🙏
@@dotsloops7486 I had a feeling you were going to say that.I also sell comics and cards and let me tell you ..the record business is such a pleasure in comparison.
My local record store blows. They price new records at least $10 more than their MSRP, including on RSD. And they burn so much incense that everything you buy there smells like patchouli and dragons blood. That’s just my local store, most indie record stores are great.
Ha! Damn Dragons Blood stores. I am lucky. Some good sellers around here, but I have walked in a few stores only to walk right out again. You can usually tell pretty quickly if a shop is run by pirates. 🏴☠️
if record buying is dead why do people keep out bidding me....?
I buy lots of records online eBaaaay and also buy lots of records in record shops
Right on! 👍 So do I! 🎉
It is more like Return Of The Living Dead.
What a flick!
Undergrade kids, it keeps buyers happy in the long term.
1000 percent! 🎉
I buy 100% of my vinyl online.
Side note: Never buy old sealed records is my usual standard. Too risky. Sealed records are for sissies.
Price increases, so do not shop online?
I do agree that prices obviously have gone up. This mainly happened during the “we are bored, hey lets buy a record player!” “we are bored, lets spend our football/concert money on more records” pandemic days. No doubt that in general the market went nutso bizzaro for whatever reasons between 2018-2021. I do think those prices you are showing are extreme and do not really reflect the overall market. But point taken.
Deception in record selling? Nah, tell me it isnt true! ;)
In a free market society “buyer beware” should be a given. Be smart in your shopping. Tricky car salesmen are in every area of the marketplace. This is not something new with records. Example: In the early 00’s I purchased a sealed (yes I broke my rule becauss of the price) fairly rare album. Opened it and it was obviously a resealed lp. Had scratches all over and even fingerprints (I mean at least clean the fingerprints all over the thing off lol). Then when confronted the guy gave me this long “my dog ate my homework” story. Lesson learned.
Point?
Deceptive sellers have been around in this hobby since the beginning. Nothing new. Be smarter and don’t knee jerk. If it is too good to be true, guess what? It probably isn’t true.
Grading worse?
This one Im iffy about. Ive been a record/lp/45 hobbyist since 1984 and first started buying used through mail with Goldmine Magazine (remember all those tiny bunches up hand written ads to sift through with a magnifying glass? Ha) Grading was not always consistent then either. And there was little recourse. Also, you got ripped off in a Goldmine auction? Sorry for your badluck.
Im not so sure that grading has gotten worse as the mass quanities and opportunity to buy has increased, thus increasing the amount of poor grading. But I can maybe go with the idea that grading has became an increased dicey proposition.
Again though, buyer beware is the phrase of the day.
I still buy online but unlike with the old Goldmine days the advantage, if one will take the time, is we can have an online convo with someone. Heck we can even FT to see the item we are buying. Press the seller. If they refuse to communicate, move on. There are literally thousands upon thousands to choose from.
In the end it falls on the buyer to have a list of many records that he or she is searching for. Don’t get stuck on a list of five and panic. Make a list of 100 and be patient. Make the numbers and percentages work in your favor. Find trusted buyers online that you can buy several albums for a cheaper shipping cost. Dont be afraid to ask a seller for a deal. And don’t discount reissues. There are tons of well done, great sounding reissued lps out there. Yes, there are tons of poorly done reissues also. Again, this falls on the buyer to educate, read reviews, network etc.
I can’t really agree that record buying online is dead. It is just a bigger game that brings both disadvantages and advantages.
I also think that the stance of record buying online is dead may be due to a bit of bias. It is easy to make that statement if one has local record shops, lives in or near bigger towns for garage and estate sales etc. For those of us who live in the sticks? Online record buying is about it. So we have to either be smart and patient or be knee jerk/impatient and get screwed.
Take your time, buyer beware, ask questions, make deals, think before you push that button etc and buying online can be a great experience still.
Thanks for the video buddy! Good stuff to think about even if we do not completely agree 👍🏻👍🏻🎸
Well…what an excellent comment and counter points. Thanks! 🙏 Completely agree about taking your time, and buyer beware always! Awesome comment and advice. Thanks for laying it out there! 🎉 Good discussion 🎉
sorry but dont agree, been on Ebay since 2000 and it has always been like you decribe, you just have to be careful have a sharp eye and try to buy from sellers with really good feedback,
So true. Lots of good sellers, many more than there are bad sellers….but, there are a few bad sellers also 🎉 Cheers!
I'D BUY THOSE RECORDS IN ROUGH SHAPE, MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME PARTY PEOPLE! AND I WOULDN'T BUY THEM FROM THOSE PLATFORMS EITHER.....BRICK AND MORTOR SHOP ALL DAY!!!!!!!!
Has this guy actually got, like, half a moustache?
Yes I do, keep it neat man 👨 🎉 Cheers
I wonder what reason a person would buy a $2,000.00 record for, because it sure as hell not for superior audio fidelity.
Nope. 👎 Hard to know. Hot Stamper??? 😂 🎉 Thanks for comment 🎉
Yeah,but even Zep 2 Ludwig's,which I have one of,are ,at the most,$300-350.
Discogs gives me shpilkes in my genecktecessoink.
Hahahahah 😂
I think it's about connecting w a good dealer. I buy reggae records online all the time. I got guys I've been getting from for years. Most records I get are from Jamaica. So I don't think it's true. I got 2 huge record stores in my back yard(,Jerry's used records and the attic) no good reggae.....so enjoy your records!
That’s it! Try a seller and if you get good vinyl and good service. Stick with them! 🎉 Thanks for comment! 🎉
Click bait here!! Countless numbers of vinyl records are purchased online from Amazon and independent stores that ship! Try another angle to get views
Countless! It’s just a video man, it will be okay. 👌🎉
@@dotsloops7486 Yes it’s just a video but don’t you want videos to have some truth to them??? I do!
@@davepounds8924Dave. Of course it’s clickbait. A lot of albums are sold online. Always will be…..but do you not think $2000 K for an original Thriller is a bit much? It’s meant for Entertainment purposes Dave. Obviously not for you. That’s okay. I appreciate the comment and perspective. Have a good one! ☝️