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- "This is a Conservative post-Brexit regime, put in by Boris Johnson, which is failing" - Andrew Marr
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Net migration to the UK reached an all-time high in 2022, according to the Office for National Statistics.
Freddie Hayward and Andrew Marr discuss why Brexit has failed to stem immigration, and why so many Conservatives are "angry". They also discuss why Britain can't wean itself off what Keir Starmer calls its immigration "dependency", and the impact the new data will have on the next election.
Read more: Labour needs a coherent plan for immigration, by Andrew Marr
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I personally believe Brexit was a deliberate way of the elite politicians in our country to accelerate the number of migrants & refugees from non EU countries, as well as creating a huge backlog of unprocessed cases to use as a 'election issue' by all political parties.
Andrew Marr always gives a balanced point of view.
Tories lied as usual and the final aspect of Brexit turns out, like all the others to give exactly the opposite result.
Proportional representation allows the far right to have a voice, but it does minimise the chance of it winning power. First past the post does allow extremist government with less than a majority of the vote, which is what we have had for the last few years.
totally agree thats electoral reform should be number ONE priority for all small parties such as lib Dem , Greens and reform
Do not believe that for a moment. We have proportional representation in Poland and we have just now managed to dig ourselves out of eight years of increasingly authoritarian far right theocratic rule, purely because all the opposition parties became desperate enough to work to create a majority. On numbers, our Nazis are still the largest party. The problem is not the politicians, the problem is the electorate. The only socialism they are willing to vote for is of the national variety.
@@nosuchthingasshould4175 I don't know how the polish system works, but some PR systems seem to work better than others. On the bright side, you have only had 8 years. The UK has been getting worse for a little longer in a more reckless manner and we are much closer to the proverbial ditch by the side of the road.
Would you think a first past the post system in Poland would be better? The problem in every country is the electorate, such as the 'low information' voters still backing Trump in large numbers.@@nosuchthingasshould4175
Is there a chance of forcing a House of Commons debate on the subject? How does one start a petition?@@chhitijpahari1011
Brexit like all Tory policies... Utter disaster
Conservatism just doesn't work ever. Never has
What Brexit?
They never did it.
The whole immigration issue is making me laugh, a lot. They wanted out of the EU due to immigration, now we have workers, nurses for example, from all over the world. Those workers bring their families with them too. EU citizens wouldn't normally bring their families as they don't live too far away and can go home easier. Oh the irony 😂 😂 😂
UK is very keen on diversity and want to achieve global britain lol
Another fact is that many EU citizens came for work/CV experience and to learn English. Many returned after a few years because the standard of living is similar or better to the UK. I knew a few doctors and nurses who worked in the NHS and went back to Germany, Sweden, Spain. Non EU citizens often come for a better life and don´t return to their country of origin because the standard of living is higher in the UK.
nah.. the Irony, mate, is Saxonite Anglo-Norman Invader-spawned european imperialists imagine the three nations and three territories encompassing no less than SEVEN distinct and ancient NATIVE cultures which make up the UK is actually THEIRS alone.
#Normansgohome.
It's actually worse for the British economy if they don't bring their families. Otherwise, you have male/female EU employees sending their money back home to be spent in their home countries.
There is the part where for many of those non-Europeans, the premise of moving so far away becomes a point of (almost) no return while EU citizens being free would make them a lot more casual to move back and forth. So yes, they will be bringing anything of value with them that they can and will likely stick to staying there through thick and thin. I doubt that, for instance, Bangladeshi or Nigerians bank on the likelihood within their lifetimes, that the economies of their countries will converge in the same standard of living the way the Czech or Polish are.
Just get the Tories out.
You really should just watch the video before commenting. There is *far* more to be done than that.
@dernawatipadang4270hopefully rejoin the eu, so we get immigration back down to around 200,000 from the 750,000 the tories have raised it to and so i can go and live somewhere better
@@mynameisleeyesitisare you unable to get a visa to migrate somewhere then? Brexit doesn’t mean you are concreted to British soil. Go get a visa and sod off if you don’t want to be here. Simple.
@dernawatipadang4270we dont live in a 2 party state. This isnt the usa. There are plenty of parties to vote for. Reform, lib dem, green etc just because we’re fed up of being shafted by the tories doesn’t mean labour is the only option.
@@robc1014 As a brexiter perhaps you should pay the associated costs. Much more time consuming and limiting than the previous option. Probably will go to Ireland, at least they have proven to be able to run their own country more competently than we seem capable of.
Thank you God for Andrew Marr - a voice of sanity in a maelstrom of hype.
So, let me get this correct. The Conservative government has had a policy as a result of which 1.3 million people have come into the country to work whilst none of the people who live in the UK can go to the countries where these folk came from to work or as an alternative, the EU . Have I got that right?
Aye
Just about sums it up 😂😊
You're somewhat correct except a lot more of those immigrants are from outside the EU, places that British people can't typically go to work without a temporary work visa.
The number people usually talk about is NET migration, which means you take off the people who left. Most of the people who left before were British, and they can't leave any more! But the Conservatives don't want to focus on that because a lot of those people are angry retirees who wanted to move to Spain and Portugal.
No, some of those 1.3 million.come from NZ, AUS, Canada, and the United States.
Something like 68% of UK expats live and work in those countries. About 26% of UK expats live in the EU, they are just now more constrained to countries And process.
There are young people working holiday visas available in the EU.
Some of the 1.3 million have come in as students which brings money in for tuition.
And under the UK Aus FTA there are new arrangements for 18 to 35 years.
So there are a range of considerations with respect to immigration.
SOVEREIGNTY!
Who else remembers when EU workers were “stealing” British jobs, and now we’re just waiting for Leave voters to show up for work.
I never thought that British brexit voters really wanted those dirty but necessary jobs that EU workers filled.Even serving in coffee bars results in sullen and sloppy attitudes among locals. The well is poisoned enough that only desperate migrants will fill some roles illegally at below minimum wages.We will have to hope that the Chinese invent robots that can pick crops or minister to the old or ill.
Eu voters did not pay 2k a pop for visas and 640 for the nhs surcharge. Plus tax and ni and had not recourse to benefits of course the uk would rather have no eu people.
They are too busy weeping moaning and crying to work:)
Going on 14yrs...... change is a must!!
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Can't believe that PR is being criticised here. It's absolutely necessary. The extremes sometimes gain traction but rarely gain outright power
I'm certainly not 'grateful to have First Past the Post'. We wouldn't be suffering from this hard Conservative Brexit if we had proportional representation.
Yes this is a dumb comment. The situation in the Netherlands is saved by PR, he's no chance of forming a government without ditching most of his views because PR gives him nowhere near a majority. Here we can get Braverman with unchecked power with 30% of the vote.
Not 100% certain about that, UKIP/Reform would likely have plenty of seats in that case. Not a fan of FPTP myself.
Totally agree. If Netherlands had FPTP Wilders would have won outright , the end.
@@MagicNash89 they would but they're getting nowhere near forming a government
We wouldn't of had austerity and therefore no brexit at all, i'd reckon.
Proportional representation may allow right wing popularists to get into government but their fanatism will be toned down by their coalition partners. Fpp allows tory fanatics to gain a majority.
FPTP is going to go away soon, it's not like we've not had extremist governments in the UK, literally the hard Brexit was because of FPTP, if we had PR the far right of the Tories may have been tempered by a coalition party.
The UK desperately needs some form of PR!!!
This!
So they have an INCENTIVE to hire people from outside the UK? They can pay less? What did they expect to happen?
This is fine if millions are not then given British passports.
Jenrick the same guy who got disney paintings covered.
Well, well, well. If it isn’t the (totally predictable) consequences of my own actions.
A guy from Palestine I knew from uni was very much pro-Brexit arguing that either his family should be let into the UK as easily as EU citizens or, if not, that the latter should be restricted in the same way as Palestinians are. I also recall Jamaicans arguing in favour of Brexit as a revenge for the 2004 EU enlargement resulting on the UK imposing visas on Jamaica (I dont know when they were imposes but assume the timing coincides). Not sure if those are widespread feelings in their communities but its an interesting point to observe that minorities saw benefits in Brexit that are a total opposite to whats being sold to white native Brits.
Great to see Freddie Hayward on an even footing with Andrew Marr. Two of the most eloquent and penetrating speakers online.
Freddie is excellent
I love Freddie but his comment about FPTP was incorrect. We need PR pronto.
What I can never understand is why the 'Remain' campaign prior to the Referendum did not make it absolutely clear that the the issue of non-European (Union) immigration had nothing it do with the EU and let the Brexiteers flog this 'control' of our own borders nonsense gain credence. It is all very well saying as you both do that the Brexiteer/Tory Right are being foist by their own patard but I think some analysis of why the Remain Campaign was so anaemic on this and many other issues. Personally, I wanted to bang the wall as to why so many canards went effectively unchallenged - I would love some thoughts from top rate thinking journalists like you two`! It is not I would suggest history - it says something about our politics that is very topical as the Conservative Government detiorates.
I don't think it crossed their minds they would lose until it was too late
But just before the referendum the EU immigration was still increasing, the non EU was decreasing due to the health surcharge.
Of course they were connected.
The EU used resources the same as the non.EU, but the non EU paid a health surcharge.
In what way do you think both immigration cohorts were not connected?
That was the whole point to change immigration to a level playing field with policy control in the UK.
Smugness and overconfidence tbh... had they made the same amount of effort as the Leave campaign we would almost certainly still be in the EU. They were completely out of touch about concerns within certain areas of the country.
Everyones Quality of life,not improving,with unfettered immigration,and as for housing schools the NHS,no one will mention the Elephant in the room.
We have a problem. There is an ageing population which means fewer people of working age at all levels of skill. One way to meet a potential shortfall is immigration. Yet both parties want to reduce immigration. How do you square the circle?
Yes you are right, with early retirement and increased sick list due to covid impact both in.a medical and social sense, despite all this immigration, the active worker list is still 1 million fewer now than it was in 2016.
And there is still nearly 6 million EU citizens with settlement lurking around, perhaps 3 million residents, and 3 million in the EU, who may yet come to the UK depending on issues that may occur.
You introduce robots and automation.
@@algernonsidney8746 yes that is the answer to some of the problems, but creates others, in terms of social impact going forward. There will be new jobs but the issue is the people who lose jobs will not necessarily have the skills or the aptitude to re train.
But interesting times coming.
One reason we have an ageing population is housing. It is not because people no longer want to have children. It is mainly because people cannot afford to raise a family, as they once did. As both parents must work, childcare is necessary, and it is too expensive.
@@anguslaurenson7473 No. That's for the future. The elderly now are the baby boomer generation. The children born during the surge in births after WW2 are today's old people. I was one of four but I only had two children and my two daughters only have one child between them. The decline in birth rate started long before today's housing problems. It was known back in the 1980s that there would be a problem with an ageing population in the early years of the 21st century but governments did absolutely nothing to prepare for it.
Australia has a Labour government and record immigration of 500,000 this year
150k net so far this year
*Labor Government
And New Zealand 225,000 as of Aug 2023. That's over 4% of the population. If it was the UK that would be net immigration of 2.5 million.
But the population of sheep has dropped off over the decades.
1.3 million need to go and block this forever
Andrew is correct at 5:20 ...The UK in a Changing Europe Study from Kings College showed that British Indian/Bangladeshi/Pakistani Community voted nearly 2:1 for Brexit and for more migration from the Indian sub-continent.
I meant to say karma but know comment would be censured. So said "good" instead.
So raising the salary level used to define "a good job" to a level above what they are prepared to pay nurses and junior doctors. That illustrates their priorities with regards to NHS and other public services
I'm angry with the tories
What is never said is that the EU is very generous in letting British people getting in (for instance, for married couples where the requirements are much less stringent than the other way round !). By the bye, if the EU were to impose very expensive visas for British citizens visiting the EU, the reaction would be rather quick. Please do remember that English tourists are not always welcome in the EU because they usually don't buy much local products (so I am told ...).
I always find it astonishing that the glaringly obvious and known solution/strategy is consistently avoided. One of the very few sectors of public investment, that consistently shows a high net return is the education and training of its people. If medical staff, construction workers, architects, .... are required, then there should be training and apprenticeships put in place.
And there should never be a legal way to pay workers doing the same job, a lower wage based on 'category' (where do you draw the line...?) - that's kind of disturbing.
I think you are right, but you need to have a strategic view to put training and apprenticeships in place, and it will take some time to bear fruit. In the meantime you have operational and tactical timeframes were worker resource is made available.
On top of that we have robotics and AI systems to incorporate somewhere.
and where is all the money for that training meant to come from when there's a tidal wave of Tax cuts?
I find that 9 times out of 10. the kind of people who say "We should look after/Train our own" are also the first ones to leap up on their soapbox and start shrieking words like "Scrounger" and "Skiver" at 'our own' on those rare days when immigration isn't the thing being shrieked about.
And where are all these people living?.
Dunno but you can't just turn it off the Tories economic model will collapse
You need to restructure the economy 1st
Supply side Labour is the result of Supply side economics aka Thatcherism
my flatmate - an NHS worker from India - as soon as get the right to work and stay in the UK - brings mum, dad, 2 sisters, and brother with his wife. All of them are on benefit - so we all pay taxes for their life.
Refusing to listen to unpalatable truths from people you dont like, massive British political weakness.
Proportional Representation forces extremist to moderate their stances as they need to form coalitions, so being lucky that we have FPTP which could usher in an extremist
minority government is a little disingenuous to say the least. PR often softens extreme views. Few folk EVER exist at the extremes of political views, they just sell air time and column inches. We need a truly representative government not a series of minority governments. Compulsory voter registration at 18 and ID cards would also be helpful too help get around the issue of Voter ID requirements.
Starmer has the ability to lock out the Tories and deliver on his agenda by introducing PR for future GEs if he wins the next GE. He will have no funds to deliver his agenda in one period and so is likely to fail to get a majority in 2029 and the calamitous pendulum of British politics will continue to swing back and forth, and beneath it the UK will slip further and further into the shadows. For Godsake Starmer, be bold, have some balls and leave a lasting positive legacy, you'll only get one chance.
Meanwhile my situation as a Brit in Sweden depends on a precarious work visa - which the Swedish government are making more and more difficult to get and maintain. This wouldn't be a problem if I was still an EU citizen.
In the name of wanting to control immigration we sacrificed our freedom of movement in the EU, and it hasn't worked at all. In fact it appears to have had the opposite effect.
Robert Jenrick has never been a moderate!
Since first elected he has been a member of the Sunak, Kwarteng,
Oliver Bowden, Truss gang of right-wing Tories.
An ex-Conservative
Councillor.
8:34 not sure about that comment. As much as I would never vote for reform UK or would like them to have power isn’t it slightly undemocratic to ignore the will of 10% (according to the polls) of the country’s will. The voting systems in the rest Europe means that’s they actually have to acknowledge the reason people are voting for these parties. Our system means that a party can win 43% of vote like the conservatives in 2019 and just ignore 57% of the vote.
Andrew, you talk about a lack of skills to build houses. Why not do as the French and Germans do.....have houses designed to a choice of a few styles, built centrally and then, effectively, assembled on site? People can then personalise them to their heart's content but have well built and well insulated housing.
The issue is the uk needs us we are paying 2k every 2.5 years for visas and 640 for the nhs surcharge plus tax and ni while the Brits don’t work who will pay for these lazy good for nothing if they don’t have us. If they get rid of us they will have their benefits cut and cry more that the nasty tories are not paying them more. Catch 22 for the tories.
It was a stupid goal to set to be honest.
They know fine well that the kind of tories who endlessly bang on about immigration won't be happy until there isn;t a single black or brown person on the entire island of Britain...and even then they won't be happy, they'll just move onto the next group of people they want to use as a scapegoat for their problems, and go back to square 1.
I regret moving here 😅 place is such a mess, tons of crime, the only nice parts are for the elites
Fascinating and erudite conversation. Thanks.
Yes, he is 100% correct, we need to take him down
Another Tory failure is Boris' unfulfilled promise to fix social care. Over the time a relative needed care the costs rose by 30%. We need a proper insurance scheme for health and later life care instead of taking the money away from families as a virtually unlimited liability. There was talk of a ceiling for family contributions but that fell by the wayside too. What a good example of sophistry to suggest the first past the post system keeps the extremists out of politics. Surely we need to have them out in the open and held to account.
yeah the first past the post system kept Nigel Farage or any of the parties he figureheaded from ever winning a seat in parliament. And yet all his pet policies have or are being implemented. Including his desire to strap all socialised health and social care and replace it with an American style free market. Sure we might not have anyone openly being racist just yet (though I'd say give it six months post tory election defeat and we will) but it hasn't stopped far right policies being implemented, just by a party that keeps trying to pretend its moderate
Of course immigration is absolutely essential to the social care sector, given that a fairly large proportion of care home staff are immigrants. A struggling care home sector also has a huge knock on effect for the NHS because if patients can’t be discharged into care they must remain in hospital, greatly increasing waited times at A&E and also for routine operations. I’m cynical enough to believe that this is the Tory plan all along. Cripple the NHS then sell it off to the American health insurance companies.
No one party is going to solve this problem, these sorts of problems need whole of parliament solutions and need to be depoliticized.
I worked at a new block of flats this year. 99% of people renting those flats are foreigners who just arrived here legally this year. The government let this happen.
That is because there is a worker shortage in the UK. There are about 1 million fewer workers now than in 2016 even after all this immigration.
600 more on the sick list, and may be up to 1.3 million early retirement, plus all the students went home during Covid and are now returning, and of course the UK doing its bit for humanitarian reasons.
It's a bit of a yoyo just now.
@@peterclareburt4594 It makes me wonder (worry) about the future when you've got a population which is aging rapidly, a population with increasingly poor health, a younger population with a decreasing work ethic and birth rates declining. So you plug the gaps with foreigners, but that increases xenophobia not to mention being detrimental to their country of origin by decreasing their workforce; And especially their skilled workforce.
@@fatherofthenoo yes not sure where it will all end, but you also live in a world which is suffering environmentally and large sections will become unlovable and so with that and or her problems a huge population on the move looking for a better place to live.
I really don't think our political/ governorship capability is up to the job right now, which means we will face some major problems before necessity drives some sort of solution.
It is a difficult period we face over the next several decades and beyond.
And just who is going to staff Care Homes?
hey I have done my bit for Brexit tory failed state island and gone home after 38 years..........and oh I am so much better for it ......pathetic land if my country ever turn in the Direction of the UK I will cover my face in shame....I would advise anyone to not set foot in the place
But the UK has lost nearly 2 million workers from the active work force due to a large increase in the long term sick list, and a large number of people taking early retirement, both due to the medical and social impacts of Covid. The number on the active worklist is still down 1 million between 2016 to 2022.
So cut down on workers and you will increase wage inflation and this will increase the cost of living.
Of course all these extra non workers still use up infrastructure and resources.
No easy answers. Starmer will fail just the same, unless they subsidise or provide incentives for AI and Robotics, which will lead to their own problems in a decade or so.
This has backfired horribly!
Private housing developers are supposed to be backing away from investing in building because the houses are starting to sell at discounts. On the one hand these workers will be transferable into energy infrastructure (worked for me) the next government would be wise to solve housing shortages through means other than building more. a managed crash in housing might well be a friend, reducing demand by limiting the number of migrants requiring housing, holding or raising interest rates has and would continue to ease house prices. Council tax band re-rating is wildly unpopular but could be curative pill nobody wants to swallow. Government needs ideas that are not expensive because there is no money and prospect of more money
It sounds like we all need to move to the Netherlands, so we can have a peaceful life
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The problem with the blunt instrument which is the 'too many migrants' statement is that now that these people are coming over on work visas you can't say there are too many because they are needed for the economy; the focus has to shift onto why Locals are incapable of doing the jobs we need.
I feel like these arguments around immigration have been made for close to 15 years now and have constantly been dismissed
It is not in the tories' interest to solve the migration issue. Solving it makes them as good as redundant. So their approach to it is 1) make it A LOT WORSE to polarize their Kipper base, and to an extent ReformUK, 2) make it a big problem to Labour when they get ousted 3) they simply DNGAF either way at this point, they just want to get their nests feathered and a post-politics gig sorted
Genuine question: how are they getting in to Ireland? Are they all entering Ireland through airports? It’s a long way on an inflatable dingy to Ireland.
Crossing the English Channel (thanks France) is obvious. England also has so called legitimate refugees coming in on flights but I have no idea how that works. Who pays for their flights?
The main issues for governments is addressing the migration issues, but keep income tax revenue at the same level to maintain pensions payments, whilst not increasing taxes for the wealthiest. It's quite a dilemma
Is does make you wonder exactly what they expected to happen?
Algernon & Agnetha certainly aren't going to scrub the crappers,sooooooo....
Who are the Tories trying to please and what will be the consequences for the economy?
complete misconception about "eastern european" builders. people from formerly sov iet occupied territories who worked here as builders, were more often than not university graduates and never "trained" to be builders. the contempt of this leftist circles (based on hilary mintz doctrine) for the region they call eatern europe is baffling, especially if coupled with their willingness to bend over for south asians and make them managers and ministers.
my indian friend told me ages ago that brits love to be a bottom , and i can see exactly what he meant.
Well they say you get what you deserve,lies and corruption.
Congratulations to Nigel Farage for Brexit. Job well done.. Mission accomplished.. There's no turning back. His pockets are fill to the brim. Now can sit back and talk nonsense.. GOD BLESS him and his family
Tories put up proposals but are slammed by Labour,charities, and human rights lawyers,,what are Labours plans,,,they have none.
What rubbish, the Tory party has a 90-seat majority, they can put through any legal law, The only problem is that they don't have any good ideas.
The Conservatives have an 80 SEAT MAJORITY. Human rights lawyers are just following the law. It is up to the legislature and government to change it. The government has the power to repeat the Human rights act, they have the power to withdraw from the European and UN conventions on human rights. Charities and Labour can complain all they like but they are powerless.
The labour plan is to get returns agreements like the one with Albania with both the EU and safe countries of origin. That way refugees will be protected and illegal entrants will be sent home, not stuck in an asylum prison in limbo costing the British taxpayer.
The whole immigration thing is a 'ship has sailed' sort of situation. The people who don't want more people in are really people who don't want the 'other' people already in, to stay in.
Why & when did the Conservative party join the Labour Strain of politics? Has the clear blue water become so polluted it’s lost it’s colour or are they now all career politicians?🤮
I don't get any of this! With the birth rate dropping, we need more work age people to come here and have babies. Eventually there won't be enough people who work to pay taxes so the retired people can be paid what they're owed. Or have any good public services. The politicians should know this
We are no different than Russian democracy no long exists in the UK government do what they want and 2 fingers up to the voters.
It is funny to hear about immigration politics like a funnel that can be tweaked by politics at their will specially when lots of positions in critical sectors are filled with those they want to stop coming. Please provide a business plan to show how the needed human capacity is going to be "generated" using existing capacity.
I think the point in reality isnt about stoping a certain colour or creed of people its about introducing an actual points based system that works for the UK, that brings in people we need not the ones we don’t. Theres no point importing loads of welders if we already have a lot of them for example but we will always need medical workers as British trained staff migrate to higher paying nations. Also the recent apprenticeship laws forcing firms to hire trainees will help drive up the skilled labour force domestically and that will begin to bear fruit in a a few more years as they all begin to graduate.
Ultimately i think the biggest thing bothering people is accepting asylum seekers when we cant even look after our own people properly.
Where is the "problem"?
Poor little Piddly Smallshoes, the Prime Miniscule of Little Britain, is so tiny and insignificant that he was too frightened to meet with the Greek Prime Minister, Mr. Mitsotakis who is 6' 2" tall, our silly little happless Prime Minuature is only 5' 4" small. The whole world would still be laughing!
Kyriakos Mitsotakis probably would have biffed little Jimmy Smallsuit if he said the wrong thing about the Parthenon frieze, so our tiny little joke cancelled.
Whats with the pulp fiction suits?
The Reform UK vote IMO is being overestimated. I think they'll be lucky to gain 4% of the popular vote and certainly no MP'S at the GE.
The home office shown today in a question and answer.Anderson was not impressed that they had no data on any thing to do with immigration.how many coming or going.Rwanda.how many come last month or who sent back if any.I hope these are sacked and the civil servant go to.the home office needs closure
Ah now you are talking about the civil service. That's a another interesting topic.
Look, from the EU, I didn't understand why you didn't want free movement? - I just can't understand, since now you have even more immigrants!?
The cultural aspect is enormous - akin to 1950's Britain - and thus we see a rise in right wing sentiment, however wrong that knee-jerk reaction is.
The UK within the EU, with freedom of movement, saw an interesting shift in terms of service based roles.
I think we all recall the hospitality industry in the 80's and 90's being heavily staffed by young travellers from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc.
Rolling toward the end of the 90's and into the 00's, it was Eastern Europeans taking on these roles.
And now? We can't get the staff in these industries.
The same with drivers in the logistics industry.
Sure, it's not quite that simplistic. The NHS is massively propped up by immigration, in terms of the work force, but the collapse of the NHS isn't really related to Brexit.
It's related to austerity - to cuts. To pay. A highly experienced workforce considering their options in other countries that will pay more. Not an easy choice to make, but workers are doing it and doing it in their droves.
So, more immigration in, but what about the workforce leaving our shores? - is there a "brain drain" ? - and is _that_ Brexit related?
Anecdotally, I would say yes. From my own experience, I've seen a good percentage of colleagues who moved into the EU before the cut-off point of freedom of movement - easily 20%.
It's a very tricky circle to square - "We want the right kind of immigration" - what does that mean?
If you are a huge company that wants to save money, the right kind is people you can pay less.
Very foolhardy and short-termist, but that's the world we seem to be living in.
It's a mess. Driven by greed, to a great degree.
And it's going to get much much worse as more countries in the world's central belt become unlivable;
but then of course the baby boomers have really only got about 20 years left, more or less, so we need more people.
But then we have robotics and AI so we need less people.
There is one hell of a lot to solve globally and I can tell you the EU is never going to be the solution.
It is just a gated community, and people will be banging on the door.
And I got my first VDU computer terminal in 1981 just over 40 years ago, before that punched cards.
So all this social change is happening very fast, probably exponentially.
It's an interesting old time.
Why is Taron Egerton interviewing Andrew Marr?
Can someone explain to me why advocating immigration for the best jobs is a vote winner?
I don’t think it’s just the “tories”
The Tories have been in power for 75% of the last 44 years . I'd blame them - wouldn't you ???
@@garyh1572you are assuming that a political system/party can solve the problems.
If it had been labour the last decade or so it would have been problematic also.
@@peterclareburt4594 How's Brexit going for you ? I know you voted for it.
Isn't that Chris Addison in the thick of it
Currently we have low unemployment rates, if we don't have immigration to do the low paying jobs who is going to do them? One answer would be the higher paid UK citizens would loose theirs due to a stagnation in the economy.
Hi New Statesman
First of all, just want to say that I love the podcast!
I've recently been reflecting on what seems to be the very real possibility that Nigel Farage could become Leader of the Opposition in the near future. How do you think Farage would perform in the role of Leader of the Opposition and Leader of the Conservative Party?
Do you think the Tories would have any electoral success against a Labour government under his leadership? Would he be the next Boris Johnson, or would he be the next William Hague?
Thanks!
Why are the Tories angry? The Tories seem pro-immigration, considering they increased immigration by 1000% during their 13 year rule. So they're doing things that are making themselves angry?
The Conservative Party have some new plans re. immigration. What could possibly go wrong ?!?! 😂😂
Convincing
Are the Tories not far right?
Hiya has Freddie got a X account he's young and up and coming in the journalist world so interested in his views .
Is this one of those situations where you try and blame Brexit when in reality the majority of the western world is having exactly the same problem? Because it sounds like it is...
Who'd have though all these doorstep wars everyone seemed to want would come back and bite us?
Simple fact is that this country needs a lot of migrants, and given our flatlining productivity and high inflation, any government that puts arbitrary curbs on immigration will probably put the country into recession. So lose by not being racist enough, or lose by tanking the economy. Pick your card.
9:11 I've missed Andrew Marr doing impressions. Marr used to do it semi-regularly years ago. Please pick up the habit again.
30 years to late to sort it out😵💫
Well they were worried about this in the 1960s, hence the Commonwealth Immigration Act of 1962 when they reduced the ability of Commonwealth citizens to come to the UK.
This is not a new problem.
You could have ranked choice voting and get both protection from extremes and better representation.
Whatever you feel about immigration,the brutal fact is you’d need to build a city the size of Leeds or Glasgow,every year,which obviously isn’t going to happen.Therefore it impacts most on those already struggling with housing.The figures released yesterday about housing shortages and numbers of children living in temporary accommodation,are simply outrageous.Adding 750,000 to this pressure cannot be sustainable.
This was all predicted
THIS SHOWS; THAT THE TORIES NEVER UNDERSTOOD; WHAT BREXIT MEANT!
Caps stuck on, is it?
Thye understand, they - and their backers - just stand to benefit from mass immigration. The complications and consequences of it won't reach them, at least in the short and midterm.
@@buchanfoulsham6314 THAT´S YOUR CONCERN ?! THIS SHOWS YOUR LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE AND YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE TOPIC !
@@mountbatten2222 I'm confused, Brexiteers for the past 7 years have been telling the rest of us, it was about the right to make our own laws.
Was it really about immigration all along?
@@buchanfoulsham6314to be fair they might have some kind of impairment
The political irrationality of leave voters and tory voters who whine constantly about the effects of their own decisions with no self awareness is so frustrating. Just have the courage to say 'I got it wrong', doubling down is why sensible people think you are a prick.
That presenter is like, 12, or something
It is like a cat fight between Goebbels and Himmler, to see who gets the most attention from Herr Schicklgruber. But more serious for the country.
buy buy british people
prodENGxit. call it what it is, England.