The Complicated Timeline of Kamp Koral's Creation
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- In this video I attempt to put together a timeline of events leading up to multiple SpongeBob spin-offs being put into motion. I look at as many likely possibilities as I can to provide the most accurate information that can currently be known about the timeline. I hope to shed some light on how these spin-offs came to be and if the creator of SpongeBob, Stephen Hillenburg, could have possibly even known about the plan to make SpongeBob Nick's Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Brian Robbins Describes where SpongeBob Spin offs came from: worldscreen.co...
SpongeBob Season 12 Renewed Announcement: deadline.com/2...
Paramount Players announced: variety.com/20...
Brian Robbins Jobs: www.linkedin.c...
Cyma leaves and Interim Pres named: www.bizjournal...
Brian Robbins announced as Nick Pres: www.hollywoodr...
Stephen Hillenburg Article: longreads.com/...
Announcing Spin-offs were in the works: www.thefutoncri...
Kamp Koral Greenlit: deadline.com/2...
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"We wanted to make Spongebob our Marvel Universe."
The Krusty Sponge episode becomes more and more true every day.
Fungus among us also predicted covid19 too xd
@@josefinaguzman5568 So Gary the Snail is gonna eat it away.
@@runningoncylinders3829 and then mr. Krabs gets paid cuz... ick removing service xd
@Michael Strong honestly my favorite episode
Instead why don’t you give your veteran fans that nicktoons crossover movie and make that your profitable cinematic universe
So if I understood this timeline correctly, the only possibility of Steve endorsing Kamp Koral is if that meeting happened sometime within the last two months of this death. From that point, we'd have to assume that Nickelodeon actually bothered to inform Steve and given their history of not properly communicating with creators and prioritizing financial gain over artistic integrity, it seems unlikely. And if they did inform him, we'd have to assume that he was in a state in which he was capable of properly comprehending and responding to that information. Keep in mind that communication with Steve is said to have been difficult during that time. And from there, we'd have to assume that he indeed approved the idea of Kamp Koral and that his approval is why Nickelodeon ultimately greenlit the idea. That all seems very unlikely to me so if I had to make a call, I would say Nick disrespected him.
Na
Even If Nick wants to make SpongeBob as their Marvel Cinematic Universe, I rather have an official NickToons cinematic universe instead, it would be more fun to see Rugrats, Invader Zim, Rocko’s Modern Life, Jimmy Neutron, Fairly OddParents, and other non SpongeBob NickToons crossing over in one shared universe. Now that’s a true cinematic universe. Even Nick Jr. shows like Dora the Explorer and Blue’s Clues would join in as well.
That's what I was thinking, they could've taken what the Nicktoons Unite games did. It's still a really cool concept.
That would be a better option. I think Nickelodeon is being idiotic for trying to make SpongeBob a cinematic universe when they have Avatar: The Last Airbender to exploit at that level. It's like Sony trying to make a cinematic universe only around Spider-Man. But at least Spider-Man has the Spiderverse going for him. But that can only work within the greater continuity of the MCU.
I do remember they kind of had that on Cartoon Network with the cartoon cartoons and how they’d all appear together in the commercials and would frequently have crossover episodes or just random characters existing in each other’s universe (my favorite example being a Billy and Mandy short that just turned out to be a dream of Wilt from Foster’s)
I love rugrats, but how can freaking babies fit in a show that has spongebob, magic fairies, ghosts and aliens?
@@Sonic3Knuckles Reptar
good video, regardless of how steve feels the show itself is just a stupid idea, and nickelodeon themselves just keep harming the show the way they promote it with unfinished footage and all the shady behind the scenes stuff
A better spin off would be the Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy reboot.
Wouldn’t be the same without their voice actors tho
@@sketchyjulia true. Even if they went the youthful route, Adam West passed a couple years ago who voiced Young Mermaid Man.
A C T O R S
Problem is both VAs for old and young Mermaidman passed away.
They could have used the voice off battle for bikini bottoms
Not to mention, SpongeBob is more like Nick’s Sonic the Hedgehog rather than being a cinematic universe. I think they should also expand the Nicktoons universe, that would make sense since there used to be multi-universal Nicktoons crossover games from 2005 to 2008 (Unite!, Battle for Volcano Island, Attack of the ToyBots, Globs of Doom).
I honestly would love to see a game that has every nicktoon in it, and gameplay that isn't just generic beat em up styled. The closest we'll ever get to see that is Nickelodeon Kart Racers 2 but even that is missing a lot of nicktoons, and voices.
@@Duskool I mean the closest thing I've seen is a fighting game concept made by NewEraOutlaw on Deviantart.
I feel like maybe the reason we aren't getting a clear cut answer is because he really DIDN'T know before he passed away and they're trying to cover their asses so people don't boycott the new show. Either way, what really happened, we'll never know, but something smells fishy about it, and it ain't anchovies.
That wouldn't surprise me.
Regardless of the controversy, I'm skipping out on "Kamp Koral" since it's just not that interesting.
You did a great job on all the research you did PieGuy, even if we don't have an official answer on the situation.
I've always viewed it as probably somewhere in the middle.
Steven probably heard an extremely basic version of the shows plot pitch (A series about Spongebob's childhood adventures with Patrick at Camp as well as when he first got Gary), said 'Ok maybe that could work' and that was all before he died. Everything else, being CGI, all the retconns, the other spinoffs, came after.
I can believe Steve warmed up to the idea of spin-offs and wasn't inherently apposed to them anymore, and I can believe he was fine with the basic premise of Kamp Koral. I can also believe he wouldn't like how it actually turned out or the other spinoff media.
Spin-Off Media is not inherently bad. There is a series of 10 minute episodes on the RUclips Channel called "Bikini Bottom Mysteries" that is genuinely some of the best content they've ever done.
I’m sorry, but I’m more inclined to believe Paul Tibbett. The sketchy timeline, and the fact that Danny literally admitted to LYING, says it all. Anyway, excellent video! 👍🏽
@@The606Mario It’s literally in the fucking video 14:36
Personally, the fact that I haven’t been outraged by the idea of Kamp Koral is that there has never been a clear-cut answer for two things. 1. If Stephen knew about it. 2. If Stephen would’ve liked it. Those are two things to me. He was in the later stages of ALS during the earliest possible timeframe it was concieved, so he wouldn’t have been able to say yes or no, or give a thumbs up or down. That’s what mystifies me the most, that he would’ve kept it in his head. Sorry for the mild speculation, but it’s worth noting that even if he knew about or liked Kamp Koral, he wouldn’t have been able to react to it very clearly.
For me, what annoys me the most about Kamp Koral is Nickelodeon’s way of letting the hate for it expand over time. Letting the speculation run wild without releasing some sort of statement, letting it overtake the marketing of Sponge On the Run, and then making it looked unfinished when they finally stared revealing it to the public. (That and they aired less new episodes last year than in a long time, despite plenty of episodes being ready for broadcast, really ruining my Season 12 stuff right now) That’s the disrespectful part, that’s what angers me about their treatment of Stephen Hillenburg’s characters.
They can screw around with Craig Bartlett or Rob Renzetti or whoever, but Stephen Hillenburg gave them a hit that has eclipsed the whole Nickelodeon brand tenfold. It’s loved across the world, and has transcended most other cartoons to become a massive part of internet culture, and to see them treat it like garbage now gives me no respect for them as a corporation, even going back to their “golden age”. They ruined all 3 of their original NickToons by the end of the 90s anyway. But in a cruel twist of fate, after all these years, I feel like SpongeBob has been treated the worst of all.
As pieguyrulz said, the fact that Nick made this show behind his back is the problem. Whether he would’ve changed his mind, or whether he would like it if he were alive today are irrelevant. The fact is, Nick made this show either after his death or when he wouldn’t have been able to give a clear yes/no answer, which is all sorts of screwed up no matter which way you slice it. Especially since we know he disapproved of spin-offs before his illness. Especially since his creative partner outright stated he wouldn't have wanted this.
@@paulwebb2078 Oh puh-leez, you people act like you're praying to Stephen Hillenburg like he's some Church God 😒
Spongebob is in general is a cash grab 🤑 for Nickelodeon. The show will never end and the show gets 2 spin offs and an upcoming movie.
Quote from Stephen Hillenburg's SpongeBob Wikia page:
"Hillenburg was a strong and firm proponent of "cute, stiff, on-model" animation for the characters. He was well known for being adamant about his visions for the show and for never changing his mind; he was even known to stay at the studio "late every night, going over all the storyboards, making sure SpongeBob was cute in every panel."[7] However, as his health deteriorated, the show's new crew from season 10 onward was able to get him to "loosen up" on a few of his former rules for the show. Mainly, they changed the animation from "on-model" to extremely off-model in the vein of The Ren & Stimpy Show, which many of the new crew members had worked on.[8][9]
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It saddens me how this is constantly overlooked when talking about new SpongeBob episodes. Like, correct me if I'm wrong, but this seems like they pressured a man whose health was deteriorating into letting go of a part of his integrity, and he eventually gave in because I assume he wanted to be nice, since he knew he didn't have much time left. I first read about this back in 2019 and since then I've just never been able to watch anything post season 9 with a clear conscience. I already had a negative opinion of seasons 10 and 11, thinking that they were a more childish and obnoxious version of Ren and Stimpy, but this is just... eugh.
The only episode that this new style of animation actually worked really well for was "Mimick Madness". Otherwise I kinda hate this style of animation for Spongebob.
Are you sure about that?
I just think that’s very poor wording. None of the sources in that paragraph ever mention something that specific and a lot of the crew members have stated in the past that Hillenburg liked what they were doing for the newest seasons, even before this Kamp Koral drama.
From the sound of it; this is and I do mean this with all due respect, a situation where emotions about a passing can interfere with proper judgment and lead to rash decision-making and assumptions rather than a measured response. As far as we are aware? Basically nobody in this comment section was a part of those meetings with Stephen but because his passing is still so shocking and painful, it leads to us looking at writing like this through a fairly cynical lens.
Now obviously there's always the possibility this could've maybe been a case where they just kept pressuring a man who was dying to let go of his principles but upon reading this with the sort of grasp I have on the kind of relationship Stephen had with the crew, it's MUCH more likely that the animators just wanted a bit more freedom on the show they were working on as a means of shaking things up and keeping things from going stagnant after doing basically the same type of animation for several years under both Stephen and later Paul.
whether this is true or not I can safely agree that switching to more ren and stimpy esque animation was possibly the worst choice for the show. if season 7-9a's animation was too stiff then season 11-now's animation is too fucking wacky. Season 9b and 10's animation was sublime and it sucks that they didn't keep it that way.
i somehow read the title as 'kamp koral's cancellation' and i was like "this *is* complicated, how come i never heard about this happening?" lol
No matter what really happened, I can't help to think that the entire thing seems really sketchy. I have no interest in watching what they do with the franchise going forward. I saw "Sponge on the Run" and it was amazing to me how the people who made that movie had no idea what made the show so beloved in the first place.
R.I.P. Stephen Hillenburg
It's worth noting that the movie had the involvement of series veteran Tim Hill (who co-wrote and directed the movie) as well as the duo of Jonathan Aibel & Glenn Berger (who co-wrote Sponge Out Of Water). Then again, Tim hadn't worked on the show since early season 5, so he could've been rusty, and John & Glen only worked on the second movie (being more linked to Dreamworks).
@Dusk Raccoon Well, the DreamWorks movies that Jonathan Aibel & Glenn Berger are mainly known for are the Kung Fu Panda movies.
Where all of this got really sketchy for me is when an anonymous crew member claimed that they were working on behalf of Hillenburg's family, only to then have another crew member come forward and deny that statement. There is a lot of uncertainty as to who knew what when this was being developed. However, judging from the sneak peak we got, it is exactly how I predicted it would be, a very underwhelming show where much of the creative decisions stem from what the executives want rather than what the actual creatives want.
So this is really Nickelodeon's attempt to copy the MCU...
Sure. Why not? We all love the movie in which Iron Man went to summer camp...
Marvel Campsite Universe
Steven didn't exactly die unexpectedly, He publicly anounced his ALS diagnosis in March 2017. Nickelodeon knew full well that he wouldn't be around long and started work on the spinoffs so by the time they came out, Steven couldn't do anything about them directly going against his wishes. it's honestly worse.
Well you never know with those kind of conditions. Steven Hawking was diagnosed with ALS at 21, but he lived to be 76.
😨god they ARE heartless
@@skibot9974 OH he had the same condition 😶 I mean reaching that age was impressive
as usual, you nail the issue on it's head. whatever way you look at it, it's still a clear cash grab by nick.
The only conclusion I've reached after watching this video is that I know have less reason to trust the animators working on this series since one of them had admitted to literally lying to damage control their reputation.
Honestly, I used to not subscribe to the idea that he didn't know, but after this video, I'm more inclined to believe that he didn't know.
@@andykishore They just do their job
If Kamp Koral takes place in the alternate universe, I don't have a problem with it. The timelines of Spongebob Squarepants is like a puzzle with a thousand pieces, but keep in mind that negative continuity is common in cartoons.
yeah, i don't get why continuty is the reason so many people are mad about this show. the main spongebob cartoon contradicted itself dozens of times for the sake of comedy, so even though i don't think i'll like koral i don't think following 'lore' is really its main issue.
@@fusetunes I choose to believe it takes place in a different universe simply because that's the easiest way to rationalize it. It's essentially a camp AU fanfic turned into a TV show
I think Spongebob was never meant to have strong continuity.
@@fusetunes I believe that people accused Nick for the greed by disrespecting Stephen Hillenburg's legacy. I do understand where they came from but Stephen wasn't really against spin-offs. The "what if?" concept for Spongebob Squarepants series would be a lot more interesting.
Thinking about this "Kamp Koral hatedom" just makes me wanna get runned over by a truck and end up in a hospital in a bad shape.
One thing I've noticed about Nickelodeon is that they always try to be just like their competitors in the laziest ways possible. I feel like all of this came about because of the MCU and how popular that got, so Nick tried to do the same thing and apply the connected universe format to their most popular show with these spinoffs.
This is how it works for them now. They watch and wait to see what gets popular with kids and then see how they can apply it to their own shows without sacrificing any of their kid friendly nature.
My hope is that he knew of the spin-off ideas and just didn’t want to take part in them, though it’s very suspicious that he passes away and they move forward with them. Certainly not trying to be naive about it since I know Nick has a bad reputation for sketchy business practices as is.
The thing about this situation is that if you were to put this in front of a jury, there wouldnt be a verdict one way or another. What i mean by this is there is not enough evidence one way or another to make any decision. The timeline is definitely helpful with laying the facts on the table, but honestly none of these facts mean anything without context.
The biggest questions i have are questions that cant be answered with facts or timelines. They can really only be answered with experience. Questions like “was there an unmentioned meeting between Steve and Nick?” “how was Steve treated given the knowledge that his colleagues could tell he wasnt well?” “is there anything wrong ethically with making a spin-off at this point?” “how long did they mourn the loss, if ever?” and most pressingly in my mind, “will Kamp Koral be good or bad? Would Steve have approved of the quality?”
The bottom line is that Steve is dead. I know it’s harsh to say it so bluntly, but there is no other way to say it. He’s been dead for a year or so now. If this is a conspiracy, it doesnt really matter.
I am saddened by the decisions Nick has made, but i hold impartiality until more facts become available. Until then, giving it a chance is the respectful thing to do.
I like kamp koral anthis whole controversy was a mess to begin with and yes the announcement was bad but I think we should've waited for it to come out.
9:56 that’s so morbid to hear in retrospect
It's crazy to think that this timeline was the same timeline of my senior year of college and the starting point of that timeline being a week after the breakup between me and my boyfriend from a relationship that lasted for two years. The news about Kamp Koral and how the timing of it was not long after Stephen's passing was very off for me and leaves a sour taste into my mouth. I am still a fan of the first three seasons of the original show and the first movie but I haven't really sat down and watched the show for several years and have had no interest in the modern seasons of the show or anything that came out after the first movie. I stopped watching Nickelodeon in 2013 after the second half of Book 3 of Legend of Korra was randomly put online without any heads up and marketed the show poorly. These days, Nick feels like a ghost town because I rarely hear about anyone actually watching the channel and there has not really been anything strong to fully grab my investment back towards their work. I even went through the KCA nominations for this year and even the KCAs today don't mean anything compared to the 2000s when it was the last good decade for the awards show. They don't even care with how they decide and organize the categories for their nominees and they are so sloppily put together and don't really understand what actual cartoons or shows children/the family demographic are watching.
Spongebob does not work for a "MCU" type of franchise expansion because the premise of the show is very light and the worldbuilding is not strong enough. The reason why other Nickelodeon properties such as Avatar got a sequel spin-off with Legend of Korra, has had several comics depicting events post-Avatar events, the fanbase growing bigger and bigger, and people WANTING more content from that franchise is because the story is more complex, had three-dimentional characters with backstories, and has a huge world with over 10,000 years of history to tell other stories and discuss about various topics such as Asian philosophy. Spongebob seems to be Nickelodeon's Mickey Mouse but even then any content that focused on Mickey Mouse such as shorts or shows like House of Mouse had thought and care put into them without disrespecting the integrity of the character nor Walt Disney and his wishes.
Honestly, whilst I still want to know the answer regarding Hillenbergs involvement, the answer still won't change my mind on Kamp Koral. I think it's a terrible idea and the fact that their also going to be doing multiple other spin-off's, make me worry that we're gonna suffer SpongeBob burnout just like the Rugrats did. But that's just my opinion.
Comparing it to Rugrats is a little harsh. that show was basically dying and the AGU spin-off was made after a pilot disguised as an episode was really well received. the other spin-off died as soon as it was sent out though.
While Hillenburg had nothing against spin offs, he was still against the idea of SpongeBob crossing over with other Nick properties in terms of TV episodes because it would affect the franchise’s underwater setting.
Yet that doesn't stop him from depicting SpongeBob in the real world during some episodes and on film. That seems a bit contradictory. But I can see why he wouldn't want his show to cross over with others as he likely saw it as a novelty cash grab.
I disagree. For the most part, Spongebob and co appearing irl still made sense, in universe. Once they’re out of the water, they’re depicted as actual sea creatures, size and all. Any Spongebob crossover would HAVE to take place underwater for anything to work. That’s a bit trickier to deal with.
Wonder if he was ever made aware of Patchy the Pirate being in an episode of Big Time Rush
@@skibot9974 well patchy made some sense though,as he was a person and live action character,hillenburg likely is talking about the actual animated characters of the show here
@@skibot9974 wait WHAT?!😅when did this happen?
I’m glad someone tried this
Hi fello bruhify clan member
@@berdddsa Hello how do you do lol
I don’t know what the answer to this whole thing is, and probably never will. But i still can’t help but feel that something is just...wrong with Kamp Koral. The time it was made, Paul’s tweet, the way it ignores actual set in stone cannon for the actual show, and just more stuff behind the scenes. It’s why i’m on the side that thinks Steven didn’t want this.
Props to you for trying to make a cleaner answer for this, even if it the true answer is a little unclear in the end.
And neat new opening cinematic!
thats what i think too i think steve didnt know about kamp koral
@@theonethatlovescartoons3196 Well....uhh. Turns out we were actually wrong on that. Pieguy made a new video explaining that.
The only thing I'm ignoring is Paul's stupid tweet since I bet he's the reason why I'm being forced to hate Kamp Koral from these idiotic fans, wish they just shut the hell up and move on from their miserable dead lives.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002Uhh...are you trying to call me stupid, even though i never even implied that you SHOULD hate Kamp Koral?
@@train4292 No, the other fans that are angry about Kamp Koral.
Let me bring up one crucial point that is rarely touched upon in these discussions. Why would Tom Kenny, who has been a longtime friend of Hillenburg going back to the early 90s at the very least, intentionally sign on for a project that would be inherently disrespectful to his friend? If there's a second person out there in the world who is protective of SpongeBob is Hillenburg was, that person is Tom Kenny. If this was something that Hillenburg was so against that all of his colleagues knew about it, I don't think Kenny or anyone else of the cast would have signed on to something like that. You can scream money all you want like Mr. Krabs, but that's just a lame excuse to bridge your opinions together.
I highly Doubt that Tom had anything to do with this besides I don't think he's blaming the crew. It's more on Nick/Viacom itself not Vincent Waller and in all fairness, nothing was said Until Kamp Koral was almost released.
@@marcusmayo You're missing the point Marcus, I didn't say Tom created the show, but the fact that he signed on to do it is a big deal. If one of your close friends of over 30 years didn't want something to happen to a property that you're just as protective over, you don't just sign on for it.
@@McCheeseincakes Oh trust me I'm not saying that either, but I think that Nick is pulling the strings.
Now people aren't sure if they telling the truth or just lying.
@@marcusmayo Either way, Kenny would have had to sign a new contract for the show. I have a lot of trust for the guy and don't think he would do something inherently disrespectful. I don't think anyone has to like the spinoff, but they certainly should stop hiding behind this Hillenburg argument and just say they don't personally like it.
@@McCheeseincakes Yes I agree about Tom Kenny not lying. Though, something is just not right and there's too many questions. For starters why mention it when Kamp Koral was near release then speak up about it? Why did one of the crew members say Stephen knew about it and they lied to say he approved of it just to harassment( which isn't cool) I'm not against anything as anything is possible and I think Hillenburg knew of this show's existence but we don't know if he would've approved of it.
It's obvious what happened here. I don't blame Nickelodeon for doing it but at least wait a year or so before disrespecting the man that made you a fortune so soon after he passed. But it's really scummy because it appears even worse then we think. It's obvious by the time the pitch meeting happened. Even if it was before hillenburg's death they knew the writing was on the wall and that he would be too weak to fight against the spin offs and would rather spend his last days with family. Which to me is a lot more sick than waiting until he passed.
Nickelodeon should've went for a Peter Rabbit shared universe instead. That would've made A LOT more sense! You have SO many characters and SO many possibilities for new stories & worldbuilding for that show's universe. Heck, the original books were mostly standalone, yet connected, so it would've made sense to have made various spin-offs, miniseries, & one-off specials starring Squirrel Nutkin, Mittens & Pig Robinson, Cottontail, & others alongside the main Peter Rabbit series!
I'm still hoping that they bring back Peter Rabbit someday...
I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand? Kamp Koral to me is still such a tremendously dumb idea that had a horrifically timed announcement by people at Nickelodeon who while I grant them the fact that they obviously would have no way of knowing that Stephen was just gonna, you know, DIE doesn't change the fact that they still announced something like this way too soon after the man passed which created a bad look that people had every right to be suspicious and frustrated about. I also have to say that I'm not really big on people like Nick's president trying to pursue ideas revolving around making SpongeBob their MCU since like with every company that has tried that, it seems they're less making sound decisions because it's something they're planning and more that they're chasing a trend.
On the other hand, I was NOT there when any of these meetings happened. I don't know Stephen Hillenburg, Paul Tibbitt or any of these people personally and I'm inclined to be an optimist who wants to look for the best and upon looking at this with all the knowledge I have from various interviews, articles and so on? Honestly I feel the answer to this whole scenario falls somewhere in the middle. I think Nick when it comes to Kamp Koral as well as the other SpongeBob spinoffs are clearly going in a very business-driven direction that ultimately I feel is not good for the show and has a very real risk of causing a form of SpongeBob burnout on a level that hasn't been seen since or may even be greater than when Nick would just keep pumping SpongeBob out left and right in the years that followed the movie... but I can't blame the crew for this. From the looks of things, they were just given a job that they want to put as much effort into as they possibly can. A job that has probably become way harder to do considering that right smack dab in the middle of all this, a creator and FRIEND passed away so suddenly and the announcement just so happened to come at the worst possible time which meant of course anyone that was on social media would be right in the crosshairs of a bunch of righteously angry people who are acting on their emotions.
I've said this in another comment but I feel it's important to repeat here because it's something we keep seeing time and time again. Whenever someone really influential and beloved passes away, it becomes incredibly easy for emotions about that passing to seep into and interfere with proper judgment over certain situations and thus we wind up engaging in rash decision-making and assumptions rather than making a measured response. Suddenly it becomes very simple to look at something like a spinoff announcement and then have our brains jump to "THEY INTENTIONALLY WAITED FOR STEPHEN TO DIE TO ANNOUNCE THIS!" or to look at someone like Danny Giovannini and go "They're deflecting from the criticism and lying to cover themselves over this friggin' travesty!". Now does this actually mean that there is just unequivocally never the possibility that these were the case? Of course not. After all the truth is often stranger than fiction so maybe somewhere many years down the line or maybe even after a season or a few episodes of Kamp Koral, we'll have some big exposé come out which shows us this. Until then however, it should be noted that we know absolutely nothing and that while we can piece together as much as we may like from articles and various comments to try and find all the answers to this, ultimately we will never truly know because we ourselves were not a part of this equation in any meaningful way that would lead to us being privy to that kind of information.
So with that in mind, my honest educated guess from all that has been provided is that Stephen was told about the possibility of making these spin-offs with Kamp Koral being the first one of these and he gave it his approval at the very least in a small capacity. He couldn't make any public statement because of either his health, how from what I've read he's a surprisingly private guy to a degree or simply put, it's not something he desired to share because the idea of openly telling people he approved of something might've been weird to him. In fact it's often more frequent to see a creator say they didn't approve of something or that they aren't involved than it is to see them say they are and if they do it's not done in the form of a big announcement. Anyways, then Stephen dies probably around the time they were looking to make the announcement, they decide to go ahead anyway with announcing it because at the time it seemed that maybe the idea of going through with it would show people that Stephen's creation would live on and also because they didn't want to shift gears. Of course this upsets people due to the monumentally poor-timing and thus creators and staffers are left to navigate a mine-ridden war of words with people who are already pretty emotional.
Before the announcement of SpongeBob as the Marvel Cinematic Universe of Nick, there were news of a 90’s Nicktoons crossover movie back in 2015, but one year later, the news was confirmed to be false. It was pitched to Paramount but rejected it. To me, that was the closest thing to an official Nicktoons Cinematic Universe.
I still remember the fanmade trailer people thought was legit, I'm not sure if it's still on RUclips or not.
Nickelodeon did Stephen Hillenburg so wrong...
so in short, from what I understand, here's all the possible outcomes of camp corals creation.
-They made it with Stephen's knowledge and consent
-he didnt like it but they went with it anyway.
-a comment mentioned that the team got Stephen to "loosen up" on certain ideas he held for years. Maybe that included spinoffs?
-Stephen didn't have any knowledge nor say because he was so sick, and they just went on without him.
-They made it after he died.
Extra possibility: that quote about Stephen essentially leaving when they babify spongebob? Maybe he wasn't kidding. It's possible he stopped coming to work right after camp corals was thought of. We need specific dates to really pinpoint these things, but it's still a possibility.
Make all these what you will.
Ooo, these are interesting possibilities. The last one in particular intrigues me because I haven't thought of it.
I’m just wondering where the proposed Patrick spinoff plays into the situation. Did Stephen know about that, or was it announced long after his death?
Hillenberg didn't like crossovers either but he let several video game crossovers happen.
I could be wrong, but I think he mainly didn't want other shows going into the SpongeBob universe (in the actual show)? Having Tommy Pickles in Bikini Bottom would kinda break the immersion for me lol
Spongeboy is never gonna keep nickelodeon network forever, Brian Robbins is wrong!!!!!!!!
8:24 This 100% sounds like weaselly corporate speak to me, everything is in very vague retract-able terms. I've been following Vincent for a while, he seems to be a decent guy, and he never usually talks like this.
That is a solid point I never see anyone else bring up. I by no means think Vincent Waller is a liar or a wicked person, however it is possible he may have lied in some of his tweets due to Nick forcing him to (or perhaps of his own volition) for damage control.
I hope Kamp Koral fails resulting in the franchise's cancellation
"Am I really going to defile this grave for money? ... Of course I am!" - Mr. Krabs
I wouldn't be surprised if someone on the initial writing staff of SpongeBob comes out one day and says that Mr. Krabs is the characterization of Nickelodeon's corporate greed.
I hope the writers die a slow and painful death and burn in Hell for all eternity for this!
@@meta527II No, you shouldn’t wish death on anyone bro
@@meta527II it was a bad thing, but that doesn't make them horrible people. These people have families and children that they love, and you shouldn't wish this apon them
@@drcheesenut896 They ARE horrible people! Waiting for someone to die and basically being like "We're free!" about it is an unforgivable thing to do!
Have you checked out some newer shows like Amphibia, The Owl House, Hilda, Infinity Train, etc.?
What pisses me off most despite them exploiting him ignoring all the suffering he had to go trough because of his ALS-Disease (only thinking of it is extremly saddening) is that Spongebob never was intended to be kids show only! Hillenburg always mastered to make Spongebob interesting to all ages (that's what made it a real masterpiece and the unique marine topic
I dont know why there doing This show. We all know how Spongebob and Sandy met. In Tea at The Treadome! Whatever its their chose i guess
*Tea
Dome tree at da tee? xd
This is why I don’t considered that movie canon
Tea at the Treedome is overrated.
@@monster-mecha_enthusiast_2002 dont u mean dome tree at da tee? xd
At this point after the sneak peek I saw during the NFL playoff halftime show I'm not looking forward to this spin-off I really am not
It's about time you talked about spongebob! We missed you man.
I'm still waiting for the Seddie arc vids lol
@Faith I agree. I'm just happy that he does them anyways. It just sparks happiness and nostalgia whenever I see him talking about spongebob.
@Faith yeah you're right. Hey btw I'd hate to advertise but come by my channel and I got some Dan Schneider reviews for ya ( I did every episode of drake and josh and am in the middle of icarly)
@Faith thank ya. Also like and subscribe please :)
Steve sold his show to nick so how could it be wrong for nick to do what they want with the show?
because he had no other choice but to sell it to them
@@cibby6155 Yeah because that’s how shows get picked up
@@DigiRangerScott yes, that was my point
shows like this makes me wanna look at Muppet Babies and put a label that says: YOU WERE A MISTAKE!
People like to point to trope starters as the blame.
But celebrity VAs and pop-culture references in wake of Shrek changed animated movies thereafter.
Case and point, those ideas could've been fine when new, but creatively bankrupt copycats should deserve the blame.
@@runningoncylinders3829 I think Genie from Aladdin was the thing that started the celebrity VA/pop culture reference trend, though it could have started even earlier. Lindsay Ellis made a good video about it.
At least Muppet Babies was decent.
Thanks for bringing more clarity to this whole mess! Even if there isn’t a definitive yes/no on Hillenburg's word of approval, it says something about a situation when someone who was burnt out on Spongebob and said he wouldn’t make any more Spongebob videos temporarily puts that to the side so he can address the issue. Of course, I’m excited for the next Every Episode of Adventure Time, but I do enjoy this informative/investigative style of video looking at the circumstances surrounding a show and its network (or network's parent company) and what led to certain events. I do look forward to more of this type of video too, even if nothing can top Nickelodeon's vagueness about Kamp Koral and other Spongebob spin-offs, combined with their terrible treatment of Harvey Beaks.
Don't forget Nickelodeon's poor treatment of Legend of Korra (i.e. little to no advertisement of Book 3 and then randomly putting the second half of Book 3 online without any heads up).
@@Lauren_210 gosh yeah I remember that 😔
I mean unlike Marvel spongebob has LOOSE continuity 😅
Don't these superhero comics have a million different universes and timelines? They made a whole movie with different iterations of Spider-Man, after all.
13:12 Why Spongebob though? Why not have Avatar or something else be Nickelodeon's MCU?
Avatar works way better as Nick's answer to an MCU. People actually WANT more content for that property and works much better for that due to strong worldbuilding, 10,000 years of established history to fill in with other stories on previous Avatars between Wan and Aang, we got a sequel-spin off with Legend of Korra, several comics depicting events shortly after ATLA, and the fanbase growing more and more with a lot of discussion about the franchise without burnout unlike Spongebob.
If there is undisputable evidence that proves that Kamp Koral doesn't go against Stephen Hillenburg's wishes, then I definitely hope that you and TheMysteriousMrEnter both tackle the show. I know that he's already said that he isn't going to review it, but that was a while ago when I think he believed the same as you and most of us did. If Stephen DID give the green light for Kamp Koral, then it's certainly subject for criticism and attention. If not, I don't think anyone should give it any attention; even if Kamp Koral is good.
If Paul Tidbit says he'd hate it then he'd hate it.
Everything else is apologist excuses
Honestly even if Stephen Hillenburg returned back to life and said he was 100% okay with Kamp Koral and other Spin-offs, I still wouldn't support these shows. While I will admit the show has made a good comeback in recent seasons, Spongebob should end with its dignity and self-respect intact. Not milked to oblivion or extended so long that it becomes a zombie franchise like the Simpsons.
SpongeBob plummeted in the late 2000s and early 2010s, and while it has made a really great turnaround; it needs to end and allow other programs to shine on Nickelodeon without having to worry about failing to match SpongeBob ratings. However, I know that won't happen, because Viacom needs as many cash cows to compete with Disney Plus and HBO MAX and that means Sponge Bob is not going to end anytime soon.
I feel like Mr. Krabs is behind this...
*insert antlantis squarepantis song here... n o w*
are you gonna
1. Do Season 2 of Adventure Time
2. Do a commentary on Spongebob Season 10
3. Can you do every episode of Gravity Falls or Fairly Oddparents or Harvey beaks
1: He is. Things take time.
2: No.
3: No.
He's a busy guy xd
He’s been working on Season 2. But it will take some time, so we must be patient. And he’s not doing Spongebob videos anymore, so I wouldn’t expect a Season 10 commentary
I like seeing these types of videos from you! It's nice seeing you make content you enjoy and looking at things from angles no one else has covered before. I really hope to see more videos like this and the Harvey Beak's schedule one because I like the direction your channel is going. Though I'll miss some of the content you used to make, I'd much rather see you make content you're passionate about than continue projects you're burnt out on for the sake of pleasing people...your videos wouldn't be the same without your passion and I would miss that far more than any series you've decided to drop.
(I've said this on Twitter and other videos, but I feel it deserves to be reiterated. :> )
Thank you for covering this again, it's important to look over all the facts.
The previous video about this situation was the first video from your channel I watched too, so I'm glad you were able to come back to it to discuss Stephen's show.
i thought this would be a video explaining that Kamp Koral doesn't make sence in the Spongebob timeline, Oh well
SpongeBob's age has always remained more or less ambiguous, however there is no real argument that him having a job and living on his own independently from his parents makes him an adult.
For him to be 10 or supposedly no older than that, in Camp Koral, does fall in line with the idea of "SpongeBob Babies".
There is something eerily dark and ironic that Stephen said when they want to create "SpongeBob Babies" that he would be out.
I'm just gonna imagine that he's haunting Nick Studios, dressed as the Flying Dutchman!
Honestly I didn’t feel like I wasn’t gonna to watch especially cause I was watching other newer shows that wasn’t based on a previous property.I haven’t even watched most of the Star Wars shows considering I’m watching some new stuff I have never heard but interesting video
If they changed the actual date of an article, then it's pretty clear that Stephen wouldn't have liked this.
If Stephen was still alieve right now he sure these guys right now sue them by now. Now Butch on the other hand just to sprite the series' success.
*Money sound effect*
Now If you'll excuse me I'm gonna see If The Loud House Movie rather It'll be good or be very predictable.
Ikr... kamp koral iz DISGUSTANG but also g o o d at da same time
**SNAP** Yep. This one's definitely going in my cringe compilation.
Even if Stephen approved of this, I’m still not a fan of there being Spongebob spin offs because we already get too much of that sponge on the network.
At first I thought this was going to be a video explaining the time line of Kamp koral itself, like how Sandy knows SpongeBob and all that, but this was a much better video. I should learn how to fully read a videos title.
I just stick with the original show and wait for the new episodes. I actually kinda enjoyed Season 12.
I really liked it as well. It was funny, experimenting but not doing horrendous stuff like season 6-8
Is it me, or did your Piecons' hair change a little?
i think they did the kamp koral thing without steve knowing they said it was hard to contact him sense he was not doing well in the last two months so and dangninny said that steve didnt know about kamp koral so i dont know guys to me i feel like 97 percent nickelodoen disrespected steve and i feel like he didnt know about the spinoff so yeh i cant conferme but this is what i think, i think nick diserspected steve
Kamp Koral can be easily retooled if we base it around the throwaway line about Patrick attending community college with Flats we could simply have Spongebob attend community college and Sandy being their on a scholarship paid by those chimps and Spongebob and Patrick not remembering Sandy and vice versa with Sandy due to a misfire from an amnesia ray at the colleges science showcase retitle it Koral Days as a pun on the hit show Happy Days and we're done.
Did he know about the spin off.....beats me......but, one of the spin off's is a Patrick show and he did say back in 09 "a Patrick show would be a bit to much"
its canon , sandy made a Flashpoint with the timeline :v
If your not reviewing season 11 at least watch Karen's Viris
Avoid Ink Lemonade as well
Ah, I’ve been waiting for this video. Time to get started🍿
Ignoring the controversy I think Kamp Koral is gonna be complete dogshit and based on the promos it looks like shit. It looks as if it is gonna be a braindead children show that only kids would enjoy and adults wouldn’t give a damn about because there’s nothing of substance for the adults to enjoy. I hate Seasons 10-13 for that exact same reason. The episodes are just stupidly fast paced and they just throw shit and see what sticks just like Teen Titans Go. There’s no thought process with the episodes not like in Seasons 1-3
The only value I can see adults getting out of it is seeing their favorite characters in a new setting and maybe some cameos, that's the only thing I find appealing at least.
@@TuesdaysArt I kind of see that as a desperate attempt to get Adults to watch it. Besides it seems as if it's the only setting in the entire show. I'm really hopping for this show to just crash and burn but it's Spongebob the biggest cash cow of Nickelodeon so it's not looking like it...
@@funnyclown2514 Camp Lazlo got some mileage out being set inside of a summer camp. I doubt Kamp Koral will get as weird or be as creative as Camp Lazlo but it's not impossible to pull off. (Ironically, people called Camp Lazlo a SpongeBob ripoff and now SpongeBob is ripping off Camp Lazlo.)
As interesting as the premise might be, I could always write my own camp AU fan fiction that has stuff I doubt they'd ever put in Kamp Koral.
@@TuesdaysArt I barely even remember that show I mean no one talks about or memes that show as much as Spongebob the only times I really noticed it are when they had a video game on the Game Boy Advance in 2006 and in 2007 they had McDonalds Happy Meal toys but by 2008 they just threw in the tunnel and ended the show. Most of the episodes in that show weren't very good there's only a few that I could say were half-decent. And seeing as how the creator Joe Murray has no interest in the show making a comeback we'll just have to leave it at that.
nick really is the worst studio for animation in hollywood
I thought you said no more spongebob
Camp coral wasnt nicks idea the spinoff Kamp koral was but the concept wasnt nicks idea it was paramounts and tim hills idea for sponge on the run then nick saw it and decide to make it a spin off this is a point alot of people dont know and steve never said he hated spinoffs he said he dont see one being made and paul tibbit tweet wasnt about the spinoffs idea itself it was about camp coral concept but steve was cool with it cause he approved it when sponge on the run was in development.
And the team who works on the show didnt work on the movie these were 2 diffrent teams so the show(spongebob squarepants) and the movie could be made at once
I have to keep it real, I'd totally be down for that Squidward Netflix spinoff.
Krabby patty made from krab
This video just makes me sad. :(
The timing of the announcement was the worst part. Nick didn't even wait for rigor mortis to set in before announcing it, and it made them seem vulturous.
Unless we can get some more interviews, Steve’s knowledge on the spin-offs will remain ambiguous, as of this comment.
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8:40 I don’t remember writing that lmao
I was just watching hours of some of your old videos and this comes out. Great video Pieguy, here’s a comment for the algorithm.
Sponge bob different types. Why sandy in in camp. In maybe sponge bob forgot sandy in episode 3 season 1 sponge bob said have i seen this before. That sponge bob thank is a different squirrel. But is a same squirrel.
Out of curiosity have you seen the third Spongebob movie?
What happened to the newer, "Stephen knew about the series" video?
Was it debunked or something?
Yes. Waller came out and admitted he cannot actually remember if Steve knew.
do every episode of sonic boom reviewed then the other sonic shows
I don't have any evidence but I kinda feel that Nickelodeon beg or pester Mr. Hillenburg till he caved in. R.I.P. Stephen.
It’s looking like wait Disney what happen with Disney
hi I like your vids lol
Camp Coral was actually created by Stephen Hillenburg. It says so on the show. It does not say "based on characters from Stephen Hillenburg."
Idk about that like Pieguy said They'll put the creator in there even if he didn't create the show for credibility.
@@marcusmayo the way it's credited matters. For legal purposes.
@@joeybaseball7352 Understandable. But Idk man, I don't think he had worked on this show it doesn't feel like his work. It kinda feels like the executives touched it rather than the crew.
@@marcusmayo I dont doubt that he created the show. But certainly not the final product. That's why it's strange to me that he sole credit as creator. I didnt look deep into the credits to see who "developed" the show, or who the showrunner is. Because it doesn't have Hillenburg's fingerprints on this at all. The show is awful. It makes no sense. It breaks every cannon imaginable. But to me, I dont consider anything after season 3 cannon anyway. And I dont consider the new Rugrats cannon either.
@@joeybaseball7352 Agreed. The showrunner is Vincent Waller btw. And I'm also kinda mixed about the New Rugrats myself. I prefer the original art style.
What changed your mind about not speaking about SpongeBob if your okay answering that?
I have no interest in watching the show anymore, but ethical questions and mysterious things happening behind closed doors interest me greatly,
@@PIEGUYRULZ but da show got better... maybe idk ,v
It's his choice. Personally I liked Seasons 11 and 12 but if he's not interested anymore, it's fine.
@@Em-mg2vm oh
Em Are those Seasons worth viewing?I stopped watching the show entirely around Season 9, but I’m sort of interested in checking out the newer seasons
This type of vids feel like an Among Us discussion help
This is part I stop watching spongebob then move on. Is too far disgusting image
I’m of the opinion as to wether or not Steve would’ve approved doesn’t matter as much as the show quality and how much it justifies its existence... and the promos don’t give me much confidence
What happened to Bottom of the Bakery?
He cancelled it after the Dan Schneider drama exploded.
Woah you're still alive