Fight Scene Autopsy: Obi-Wan Vs Anakin, Duel on Mustafar, STAR WARS

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  • Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
  • In this episode of Fight Scene Autopsy - the most pedantic overly detailed analysis of movie fight scenes on RUclips where I review fight scenes for how realistic they are in respect to historical combat - I analyze the Duel on Mustafar from Star Wars Revenge of the Sith where Anakin Skywalker fights Obi-Wan Kenobi.
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Комментарии • 11 тыс.

  • @lydeart
    @lydeart 4 года назад +9871

    I am 15 minutes in and I really enjoy this. I think it is really cool that you reenact the moves. It is very refreshing to look at and gives me a more clear view in what you are referring to. Please keep doing these videos!

    • @SoullessAIMusic
      @SoullessAIMusic 4 года назад +116

      If u havent seen the episode 8 breakdown u should its pretty great.

    • @jerichamesclammay3107
      @jerichamesclammay3107 4 года назад +17

      @DeimS I strongly agree

    • @Bam_Bizzler
      @Bam_Bizzler 4 года назад +4

      @Aint Jack i keep seeing you everywhere

    • @kelmirosue3251
      @kelmirosue3251 4 года назад +5

      @Aint Jack agreed. If you make anything educational fun then people pay more attention

    • @profepik7525
      @profepik7525 4 года назад +11

      Please next Fight Scene Autopsy : black mamba vs oren ishii (kill bill) ! Looks pretty poor to me but I'd really enjoy your comments.
      ruclips.net/video/uSjS_l3wGu8/видео.html

  • @Zahnpuppy
    @Zahnpuppy 4 года назад +9997

    I noticed a pattern in your complaints: Anakin is too reckless and Obiwan isnt trying to kill him... narratively that makes perfect sense.

    • @emillerner6362
      @emillerner6362 4 года назад +403

      no Obi-Wan definitely wanted to kill Anakin, he just was extremely careful because he knew Anakin was much stronger.

    • @sataoborao6444
      @sataoborao6444 4 года назад +2905

      Emil Lerner obi wan isn’t trying to kill anakin until the second half of the fight, where they have a little exchange and he says “well then you are truly lost!”. Until then obi wan was simply trying to disarm anakin. But he realizes that the only way to stop him is to kill him.

    • @yeetwchybaban
      @yeetwchybaban 4 года назад +607

      @@emillerner6362 no

    • @cosmicmaster1006
      @cosmicmaster1006 4 года назад +1895

      @@emillerner6362 "i will not kill Anakin" - Obi wan to Yoda
      Did u forget about that

    • @Sidiron
      @Sidiron 4 года назад +491

      Another pattern I am picking up on is that the spins that Obi Wan uses are also allowing him to pivot between his feet while moving backwards during the high guards, I don't know if there is a better way to retreat while maintaining momentum and your guard especially against heavy/impassioned blows such as the ones that Anakin is using.

  • @vanslatery941
    @vanslatery941 4 года назад +4857

    Look at Hayden and Ewan sweating bullets during the training footage... It's like they actually cared about choreography. Imagine that!

    • @Trisjack20
      @Trisjack20 4 года назад +791

      I agree. People can critisize many things but I don't think anyone can realistically say Hayden and Ewan did not care about their performances or the characters. They clearly did and worked to extreme levels to bring what they could to the screen.

    • @skaionex
      @skaionex 4 года назад +790

      And poor Hayden gets so much flak... I absolutely love his anakin. Sure, the dialog isnt perfect but he did what he could with it. His emotional and physical performances were really really great though.

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 4 года назад +356

      @@skaionex Yeah he reminds me of Keanu Reeves. He's a very good physical actor, very strong in presence without any dialogue.

    • @sanitarycockroach9038
      @sanitarycockroach9038 4 года назад +224

      @@skaionex Sadly, all the acting skill in the world can't save garbage dialogue. But that turd was polished to the extreme!

    • @apollohateshisdayjob9606
      @apollohateshisdayjob9606 4 года назад +151

      Also why later in the fight the pauses make logical sense, and why there are a bit more frequent of mistakes (both in story and the actors themselves.) They are simply getting worn out

  • @wraith1371
    @wraith1371 4 года назад +4612

    I know from a technical perspective Obi-Wan makes mistakes not striking when he has an open opportunity but from a lore perspective it actually makes sense. For a majority of the fight Obi-Wan is intentionally not taking these opportunities as he doesn't actually want to kill Anakin instead defending himself and trying to find an opening to disarm Anakin and end the fight without having to take his life. Only later in the fight realizing that due to Anakin's skill and the fact that they are so familiar with each others fighting styles, as they have been fighting along side one another for years, the only way Obi-Wan can end the fight is by killing Anakin.

    • @TetsuRiken
      @TetsuRiken 4 года назад +243

      I think the one opertunity he could have used was when Anikin hit the console he could have cliped the tip of the saber and cut off the balde

    • @wraith1371
      @wraith1371 4 года назад +141

      @@TetsuRiken Yeah that was a pretty big opening for him to take advantage of that was definitely missed.

    • @albertschoise8091
      @albertschoise8091 4 года назад +287

      @Wraith 13 eh no one's perfect... Xept ray...
      Edit: holy shit that’s a lot of likes!

    • @phoenixwyvern355
      @phoenixwyvern355 4 года назад +101

      @@albertschoise8091 *chokes with the force* You dissapoint me.

    • @h0m3st4r
      @h0m3st4r 4 года назад +33

      ...or at least horribly maiming him.

  • @AzguardMike
    @AzguardMike 3 года назад +1348

    Shad near the start "a fight would realistically last 2 or 3 moves"
    Star Wars Rebels - Maul vs Kenobi.

    • @thanatosstorm
      @thanatosstorm 3 года назад +278

      Showing the difference between a master going for a kill versus two having an argument and wanting to wear the other out.

    • @zzodysseuszz
      @zzodysseuszz 3 года назад +7

      @@thanatosstorm it’s too bad the rebels maul vs Kenobi was horrible bc mauls swings were awkward and made no sense

    • @atharvoak3445
      @atharvoak3445 3 года назад +253

      @@zzodysseuszz I disagree with this part, what maul wanted to do was hit Obi wan with the hilt of his double lightsaber, just like how he defeated Qui Gon, but Obi wan deliberately took his master's stance so as to lure him in and finish him off with one blow

    • @ramiel7666
      @ramiel7666 2 года назад +11

      Best part of that show....

    • @briggsbughouses6291
      @briggsbughouses6291 2 года назад +31

      But the autopsy video would still be about 2 or 3 hours.

  • @sparklepawz1185
    @sparklepawz1185 4 года назад +1572

    “A higher guard position is preferable to a lower one”
    “This spin Anakin did wasn’t horrible since it kinda made sense”
    *smiles in High Ground and Good Trick*

    • @noahsnyder6123
      @noahsnyder6123 4 года назад +74

      Sparkle Pawz *laughs in hello there*

    • @cinemagoose
      @cinemagoose 4 года назад +65

      *is relieved in happy landing*

    • @smormannen
      @smormannen 4 года назад +47

      *enjoying the fun begins*

    • @nitsuagaming6121
      @nitsuagaming6121 4 года назад +7

      yes obi wan had the high ground but thats not why anakin lost anakin was fueled by hatred and anger he wasnt thinking clearly which is why he lost

    • @ajohndaeal-asad6731
      @ajohndaeal-asad6731 4 года назад +1

      Them references tho!!!

  • @NintendoCapriSun
    @NintendoCapriSun 4 года назад +2752

    Breaking it down really brings out what great acting we got from Ewan and Hayden across this entire fight.

    • @56mdk
      @56mdk 3 года назад +2

      Lol sick

    • @56mdk
      @56mdk 3 года назад

      Tf you doing here

    • @246al
      @246al 3 года назад +34

      Where there is high culture there is caprisun

    • @ttp1364
      @ttp1364 3 года назад +3

      whoa ain’t that a cool seeing you round these parts

    • @sicknashty3837
      @sicknashty3837 3 года назад +34

      hayden perfectly portrays his lack of fondness for sand

  • @alansmithee419
    @alansmithee419 4 года назад +1920

    The real reason anakin spins so much?
    "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"

    • @el_mr6439
      @el_mr6439 4 года назад +72

      Palpatine is his master

    • @renz4369
      @renz4369 4 года назад +17

      @@morgothable Do beyblades also backflip on a regular basis?

    • @MarginalSC
      @MarginalSC 4 года назад +11

      @@renz4369 No, but they do have trouble advancing onto higher ground.

    • @RainOn2SunnyDay
      @RainOn2SunnyDay 4 года назад +5

      Renz yes actually, they summon tornadoes sometimes too

    • @sauloinaciobraga6949
      @sauloinaciobraga6949 4 года назад +4

      @@MarginalSC in the Burst anime there is a Beyblade that can get in the high ground

  • @MrTubeStuck
    @MrTubeStuck 3 года назад +890

    I was a dumb highschool student when I first watched this fight and all I took home from this was it was a cool flashy fight. Seeing it frame by frame seeing Hayden's face during the whole fight, my goodness Hayden is a terrific actor. Through all the physical exertion he is still conveying all the anger Anakin has. Its kinda sad that he received a crap ton of flack due to the garbage dialogue.
    Ewan isnt really half bad as well, he looks like he is in pain during this fight.

    • @joshuaroberts1287
      @joshuaroberts1287 2 года назад +39

      Ewan acted circles around Hayden. Hayden was good with aggressive, brooding emotions but the lighter dialogue where vulnerability required he was awful. His scenes with Natalie were some of the worst delivered lines in cinema and made him seem robotic and very 2 dimensional.

    • @TheUsurperKing
      @TheUsurperKing 2 года назад +80

      @@joshuaroberts1287 hayden was trying to portray james earl jones robotic voice because they are the same person

    • @Hadaron
      @Hadaron 2 года назад +28

      @Cow Lupin
      In that case don’t go to 36:47 or you’ll be scarred for life

    • @SommerSen
      @SommerSen 2 года назад +24

      @Cow Lupin as a neurodivergent who talked with neurodivergent people
      wat

    • @diegoxavier9107
      @diegoxavier9107 2 года назад

      @Cow Lupin That has to be the *dumbest* shit I've ever heard in my entire life

  • @MakAlexMosc
    @MakAlexMosc 4 года назад +843

    This video - 79 minutes
    Revenge of the Sith - 140 minutes
    This is more then half length of movie! Glorious.

    • @Guderian2
      @Guderian2 4 года назад +20

      10/10 would watch again ^^

    • @russellharrell2747
      @russellharrell2747 4 года назад +9

      To be fair The fight scene was like 3 hrs long.

    • @Jfk2Mr
      @Jfk2Mr 4 года назад +27

      Don't worry, we still have a half of movie

    • @myth5588
      @myth5588 4 года назад +7

      @@Jfk2Mr another happy landing

    • @michaelshepherd8545
      @michaelshepherd8545 4 года назад +1

      I don't know how to feel about that.

  • @doggowantssauce
    @doggowantssauce 4 года назад +670

    Obi-wan: "It's over Anakin! I have the high ground!"
    Also Obi-wan: *Tries to lure Anakin into thinking that higher ground is an advantage*
    Anakin: *falls for obi-wan's trick*
    Now everything makes sense!

    • @catholic_ninja1710
      @catholic_ninja1710 4 года назад +19

      I'm not the only one who thought this!

    • @zebjensen4251
      @zebjensen4251 4 года назад +47

      The reason why the high ground works here has nothing to do with tricks. If they where in a slop or some other surface than sure anikan would be at an advantage. But the reason in Cannon why this works is because obi wan knew that anikan would have to jump exposing himself to a free attack to get behind him, or jump in front of him to just keep doing the same song and dance they had be doing the whole time.
      So the high ground works because anikan had to jump to obi wan on a higher plan leaving himself vunerable.

    • @JackalLab
      @JackalLab 4 года назад +14

      Am I the only one that thinks Obi-wan could of just force pushed Anakin into the lava when he is mid jump either way jumping forward or over him

    • @solojackson6371
      @solojackson6371 4 года назад +11

      @@JackalLab No ,but you have to remember Obi didn't want to kill Ani or fight him. Also the simple answer "plot".

    • @shortyboio
      @shortyboio 4 года назад +21

      @@JackalLab Obi-wan knew what Anakin was doing, if you look closely he does the same thing Obi-wan does in episode 1 do defeat Maul.

  • @lowkeyarki7091
    @lowkeyarki7091 4 года назад +3142

    I thought this was going to destroy the Anakin vd Obiwan fight scene, but it just destroyed the last jedi throne room even more lol.

    • @ChillyCharizard006
      @ChillyCharizard006 4 года назад +3

      Lowkey Arki what?

    • @Shin_FTW
      @Shin_FTW 4 года назад +443

      As it should. Hayden and Ewan worked hard to perform this.

    • @lowkeyarki7091
      @lowkeyarki7091 4 года назад +307

      @@ChillyCharizard006 when someone criticizes something normally you'd expect it to realize how horrible something is. But this showed how much effort they put in to the fight scene compared to the last jedi throne room

    • @ChillyCharizard006
      @ChillyCharizard006 4 года назад +72

      Lowkey Arki OHHHH... for some reason my mind wasn't processing TLJ throneroom fight, even though that's LITERALLY what you said... And after the mentions it multiple times in the video. I feel stupid now lol. Yes totally agree.

    • @razorburn645
      @razorburn645 4 года назад +82

      @@revbladez5773 It seems like quite a bit. You can watch the actors go through the drills on RUclips if you like. It looks really neat to know they could do all the moves.

  • @justinsmith2102
    @justinsmith2102 3 года назад +747

    Let me say something about the, "I have the high ground" scene; I genuinely don't believe Obi Wan believes he has the advantage. I think it's a taunt, a challenge. He is trying to provoke Anikan and he falls for it exactly as Obi Wan expects because he knows Anikan believes himself to be superior. It's just a mind game.

    • @theastroguy7417
      @theastroguy7417 2 года назад +68

      True! He had beaten general grievous and maul from a lower position too!

    • @GrapeCheckerBoard
      @GrapeCheckerBoard 2 года назад +24

      Looking at that terrain, could Anakin have realistically fought his way uphill? After all, he did slip down the bank to where he caught fire.

    • @fightingdreamer123
      @fightingdreamer123 2 года назад +105

      Actually, it is because he knows Anakin will try to do the same move on him that he did on Maul: the jump and flip over him. The jump obi wan does on maul and the one anakin does on obi wan are identical, except in the latter situation, obi wan knows exactly whats up and...yea

    • @cerealdig
      @cerealdig 2 года назад +35

      Obi Wan: _waves hand_ You *will* jump at me
      Anakin: Are you trying to do a mind trick?
      Obi Wan: _waves hand more insistently_ You *will* jump at me. You *will*-blast it, why is Master Qui Gonn’s training failing me?!
      Anakin: I’m still gonna jump though. *AAAAHHHH*

    • @wojak-sensei6424
      @wojak-sensei6424 2 года назад +3

      It's a corny pun characteristic of a Prequel film. I never thought it was that deep.

  • @joebenzz
    @joebenzz 4 года назад +375

    Fun fact: This entire scene was done in normal speed. Previous ones had to be done slower so that the actors could better anticipate their opponent's moves and then in post prod they would accelerate the fights. But in this one, Ewan and Hayden had so much training from the previous movies that they instinctively did all their moves in normal speed.

    • @Lightfire398
      @Lightfire398 4 года назад +74

      I believe for 'Duel of Fates' (Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs Maul) they had to actually ask the actors to *slow down* cause the cameras couldn't keep up.

    • @vksasdgaming9472
      @vksasdgaming9472 4 года назад +27

      @@Lightfire398 Bruce Lee was THAT fast and strong as hell. That can be expected from perhaps fittest man in recorded history.

    • @lexi9956
      @lexi9956 4 года назад +43

      I also remember somebody in production saying something about them wanting to bring as much intensity as they could to it since it was the big defining fight between them.

    • @thepewplace1370
      @thepewplace1370 4 года назад +19

      it wasnt instinct: they trained several hours a day for months

    • @benjaminkliewer5425
      @benjaminkliewer5425 4 года назад +8

      @@thepewplace1370 And there is the difference the recent actors and these two, it isn't the actors they just don't have training which MAY be the directors fault or the relatively small time frame given to make the film. Not making excuses but just thinking. After all when watching Kylo fight I thought "hmm, he leaves himself open so much its no wonder Ray beats actually I could beat him."

  • @RedThorn
    @RedThorn 4 года назад +1328

    I love this breakdown, but I think one thing you're disregarding is that as the fight goes on, their moves deliberately get more sloppy and telegraphed because they're getting TIRED.
    As an ex-fencer myself, the longer the matches wore on, the sloppier my opponent and myself got because our legs were aching from our guard position and our arms felt like lead from holding it outward. It's really impossible to contend with.

    • @RedThorn
      @RedThorn 4 года назад +294

      @Mk. 5II33II4N So? They're still human. It's not like they have unlimited stamina. If you watched the fight, you'd see that the moves get sloppier, slower and they're pausing more often to catch their breath.

    • @bleack8701
      @bleack8701 4 года назад +166

      @Mk. 5II33II4N doesn't mean they have unlimited stamina. Look at Obi Wan at 1:08:50. Dude's out of breath

    • @AhsokaJackson
      @AhsokaJackson 4 года назад +150

      Agreed! I was actually waiting for him to comment on that myself-looking at both their facial expressions and their style of movement, they look increasingly desperate and worn out.

    • @ThallanarRabidtooth
      @ThallanarRabidtooth 4 года назад +167

      @@bleack8701 To add to your comment, they're also fighting on a planet made of lava, and near the end of the fight are fighting literally just a couple feet from lava. Not just the possibility of heat stroke but I know from experience (having lived in Phoenix for the majority of my life) that breathing very hot air (from 120 fahrenheit and above) that it actually becomes painful to inhale because your lungs are being scorched, also, you seem to get less oxygen per breath when it's very hot out too. It would make total sense that both these people would be exhausted near the end of the fight.

    • @gilgamesh8334
      @gilgamesh8334 4 года назад +1

      Bystander They are not really human

  • @ButtersTheGreat1
    @ButtersTheGreat1 4 года назад +574

    I believe the "Canon" reason for the fight becoming more unconventional later, is both Obi-Wan and Anakin realizing they're to familiar with each other and start to make false openings to bait the other.

    • @arbiterprime2145
      @arbiterprime2145 4 года назад +130

      plus theyre both getting tired and just plain desperate (Obi-Wan) and even more mentally unhinged (Anakin)

    • @jamsquirrel7996
      @jamsquirrel7996 4 года назад +20

      i think that's why they did that thing where they are just spinning and nobody is hitting, the point was that they were both doing the exact same move

    • @shin_eightysix
      @shin_eightysix 4 года назад +34

      The high ground scene. Obi-Wan was baiting Anakin to take the high ground, that's the whole point. Obi-Wan even said to not try it.But Anakin did it anyway and took the bait and got maimed.

    • @AEWYU
      @AEWYU 4 года назад +9

      ALSO they were both getting tired because this fight would be very energy draining even with the force

    • @jamsquirrel7996
      @jamsquirrel7996 4 года назад +5

      @@AEWYU yeah you can tell by the end they are slower and more predictable because theyre tired

  • @sinfjotlisghost465
    @sinfjotlisghost465 2 года назад +298

    I'm only about halfway through, but I just want to point out something really cool that I noticed. These actors, while facing each other, have not broken eye-contact once. They haven't even glanced at their props. Really subtle way of conveying both the emotion of the scene and their skill with the choreography, and it's a testament to both of of their abilities.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 2 года назад +50

      They worked incredibly hard for this duel, it's definitively the greatest lightsaber duel in the entirety of Star Wars.

    • @James35142
      @James35142 2 года назад +11

      @@Thor-Orion That's debatable, but it's definitely one of my favorites.

    • @connormcmurphy4276
      @connormcmurphy4276 Год назад +12

      @@James35142 what lightsaber fight would u rank above this particular one?

    • @reagan1197
      @reagan1197 Год назад +3

      @@James35142which one is better?

    • @Mojo1356
      @Mojo1356 Год назад +1

      @@reagan1197there are some that would argue Luke vs Vader both rounds for the best

  • @pandabear4565
    @pandabear4565 4 года назад +1742

    Anakin: kills younglings
    Shad: ...
    Anakin: makes a bad spin
    Shad: BAD ANAKIN, BADDD!!!!

    • @piratekingthaszar7912
      @piratekingthaszar7912 4 года назад +147

      Well minor execution is one thing, but poor swordsmanship can lead to you losing all your limbs...

    • @leonardoferrari4852
      @leonardoferrari4852 4 года назад +57

      @@piratekingthaszar7912 meatbags can't understand

    • @therandomnessnetwork1658
      @therandomnessnetwork1658 4 года назад +7

      Kek

    • @nick7072
      @nick7072 4 года назад +30

      I'll try spinning, that's a good trick.

    • @astavas8341
      @astavas8341 4 года назад +4

      @@piratekingthaszar7912 umm, but this is lightsaber, it's way more like kendo, just a touching game

  • @histguy101
    @histguy101 4 года назад +660

    I'm almost halfway through, and just wanted to point out that all five complaints about Obi-Wan so far are about him not taking the kill shot.
    This is intentional and actually written into the choreography (see script). Obi-Wan is desperately trying to not kill Anakin. It's his friend and he's looking to hold him off and find chances to reason with him. Finally at the end, he's pleaded with him, nothing is getting through to Anakin. If he continues any longer, he'll likely die. He has an opportunity to end the fight without killing Anakin and he takes it.
    So, this is so well done because the actors trained daily for months, filming it several times on green screen, and finally on set. So much work was put into it because this was supposed to be the Big Duel of the saga. The fight that was talked about since the Original trilogy was being made.

    • @Arcexey
      @Arcexey 4 года назад +8

      Christus Regnet "So, this is so well done because the actors trained daily for months, filming it several times on green screen, and finally on set. So much work was put into it because this was supposed to be the Big Duel of the saga." you just described The Last Jedi though w/ snoke. rey. kylo, +imperial red guards fight at the end in the throne room.

    • @histguy101
      @histguy101 4 года назад +76

      @@Arcexey Snoke vs Rey was planned since the 70s?

    • @animeproblem1070
      @animeproblem1070 4 года назад +72

      Arcexey not really because these actors actually trained well and mostly got to their timing mark

    • @mattai075
      @mattai075 4 года назад +65

      Arcexey
      At least in RoTS the choreography is good. TLJ is just bad choreography.

    • @RhazOfRheos
      @RhazOfRheos 4 года назад +94

      @@Arcexey Since when does Reys and Kylos fight was even close as the dual of the saga? Their fight doesnt matter like at all comparably. While Anakin and Obi wans fight was anticipated from the very fist time it was mentioned in the OT. Also seeing on how many mistakes TLJ did on their scene and how badly choreograph it is, I seriously doubt that they even put a quarter of the effort as this fight.

  • @Davidofthelost
    @Davidofthelost 4 года назад +391

    “The Sandman” vs. “Backflip Machine” instant like. 10/10 deserves a billion likes just for that.

    • @spynix0718
      @spynix0718 4 года назад +25

      9/10 Should have been “High ground” vs “Not Jedi Master”

    • @Rodrigokdo
      @Rodrigokdo 4 года назад

      Beyblade kick Machine vs Backflip Machine

    • @yamimayonnaise5378
      @yamimayonnaise5378 4 года назад

      The sandman?

  • @rainmanslim4611
    @rainmanslim4611 3 года назад +234

    Shad watching Obi Wan and Anakin fight with laser swords while speeding along a river of lava on a flying robot and flying platform: "... I'm not entirely sure this is historically accurate"

    • @calenhoover1124
      @calenhoover1124 3 года назад +40

      watching two extremely powerful and extrasensory space wizards fight with a weapon from a more civilized time " well that guard didn't really make sense "

  • @PsilentMusicUK
    @PsilentMusicUK 4 года назад +1764

    "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"
    Anakin never changes.

    • @jacobfeucht1405
      @jacobfeucht1405 4 года назад +18

      Was just going through the comments to make sure someone put that quote in here, otherwise I was going to do it. Well done 👍🏻😂

    • @marilynschrepfer2923
      @marilynschrepfer2923 4 года назад +2

      Hahahahahaha. Lol
      They grow up so fast

    • @kinagrill
      @kinagrill 4 года назад +2

      you mean a jump spin that doesn't get cut (literally) in half, halfway through? :p

    • @mckaymcvey8614
      @mckaymcvey8614 4 года назад

      @@jacobfeucht1405 You and me both!

    • @princeofsomnia7664
      @princeofsomnia7664 4 года назад +1

      maybe he trained by a witcher secretly who knows.

  • @polsebastiallusca3314
    @polsebastiallusca3314 4 года назад +432

    Shad: Actually having the high ground is more of a disadvantage
    Obi-Wan: “Oh I don't think so”

    • @randomlygeneratedname
      @randomlygeneratedname 4 года назад +7

      As we all know obi is the master of the low ground tho

    • @MrLittlehicks
      @MrLittlehicks 4 года назад +5

      Obi-Wan the master of the Lava Ground

    • @ryanmeade1423
      @ryanmeade1423 4 года назад +20

      I think Shad missed the fact they have the force when analyzing the high ground scene. I think the analysis was amazing, but Obi-Wan was right. He had a chance to use the force without it effecting him negatively. Rolling up a hill isn't really problematic compared to rolling into lava.

    • @eddardstark6554
      @eddardstark6554 4 года назад +4

      Obi-Wan: “I have failed you, Shad. I have failed you.”

    • @Squide250
      @Squide250 4 года назад +2

      Obi-Wan *is* the high ground

  • @sayx
    @sayx 4 года назад +365

    "Shad, six is a number!" "From my point of view 6 is a letter!" "Well then you are lost!"

    • @qui-gone
      @qui-gone 4 года назад +5

      Brilliant! LMAO :D

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 года назад +8

      Only a Sith deals in numbers

    • @ghosty918
      @ghosty918 4 года назад +10

      @@visionist7 Whole numbers are known as 'absolute values'...

    • @CommanderBly5052
      @CommanderBly5052 4 года назад

      Lord Tzeentch please stop I’m starting to get annoyed by math from homeschool

    • @omnitroph1501
      @omnitroph1501 4 года назад

      @@ghosty918 I'm sorry sir, but as a calculus student I cannot allow that error to persist. Although the joke is good, "absolute value" refers to a number's distance from 0, disregarding negative numbers, and can be applied to all real numbers.

  • @Blackname51230
    @Blackname51230 3 года назад +430

    I've heard that the "flourish off" at 50:00 is meant to represent them being in perfect sync with eachother in the force. As in all fights with force users, they are at all times using the force to try and predict the other fighters next move, but here, the two fighting know eachother so well that the force guided them to this.
    It may be that we're writing the movie after the fact, but personally I can accept that as being the reason.

    • @Thingpng
      @Thingpng 2 года назад +43

      It would make sense since they fight together all the time so they know that they're not going to strike each other for a while.

    • @Caysari
      @Caysari 2 года назад +43

      yeah i thought they basicly feinted each other but like several times in a row

    • @antonvagen8206
      @antonvagen8206 2 года назад +31

      Yes exactly. I came to a similar conclusion myself. They begin a strike, but in the middle of it they already see the other one reacting to it so they switch to something else, and that repeats several times in a sequence.

    • @zion5375
      @zion5375 2 года назад +3

      @@antonvagen8206 that doesn’t make any sense. There were points where their lightsabers could’ve just cut each other’s feet while the other had their lightsaber behind their back. It’s just bad choreography

    • @nophoria
      @nophoria 2 года назад +20

      This is the case, it’s the same reason a kid could even pod race (and win). It’s like having amazing reflexes using the force, using it to sense what’s coming to a degree. Otherwise using a lightsaber without the use of the force is incredibly dangerous.

  • @thespartanfox
    @thespartanfox 4 года назад +2655

    I feel like Obi Wan's "misses" and bad moves are because he didn't really want to kill Anakin.

    • @ZachRduo
      @ZachRduo 4 года назад +541

      Agreed! Most of the time it's Anakin who leaves himself open to attacks and Obi Wan seems to refuse these opportunities. He didn't want to kill Anakin! Although, whether this was the actual intent of the coreographers, I have no idea.

    • @snipersclan22
      @snipersclan22 4 года назад +336

      ZachRduo I think the directors told them something like “ok in this scene anakin wants to kill obi wan for betraying him, and obiwan just wants to stop anakin but hasn’t come to being able to kill him. Which story wise is what was going on and you can see it in the choreography

    • @ephgm
      @ephgm 4 года назад +154

      I came here at 19.5 minutes in to say just that exactly. It may be a bad move on Anakin's part, but he may be banking on Obi-Wan not killing him. He knows his best friend and mentor doesn't really want to kill him, and would rather have him turn back to the light side. He may have done stupid things like that to catch Obi-Wan off guard and try to get an advantage. It's probably uncharacteristic of his fighting style, which would be unexpected by Obi-Wan, hopefully leaving him open to attack from other angles.
      On the other hand, he has also had absolutely no time to process Padme's alleged betrayal and his disbelief that he actually brought himself to force choke her, as well as his loss of relationship with her and the potential loss of his unborn child, though he doesn't think he killed her. He's taking out all of his emotions on Obi-Wan because he thinks it's all his fault, and he probably isn't thinking clearly, causing him to make one bad decision after another. Lucky for him, Obi-Wan doesn't want to take the advantage and kill him.
      Either way, it would be completely understandable that his moves aren't perfect. Also keep in mind, at this point I haven't had any bad moves on Obi-Wan's part pointed out to me yet, but I would imagine that those could also be explained as his lack of desire to kill Anakin.
      The choreography could be exactly what was intended, mistakes and all.

    • @Shedovv
      @Shedovv 4 года назад +53

      As was said by other before me. I absolutely agree. Obi-Wan isnt trying to kill Anakin, he's protecting himself and that early into the fight (what 10-14 seconds?) no wonder he passes up a clear killing blow.

    • @DidWeMakeIt
      @DidWeMakeIt 4 года назад +40

      I have the same feeling, that Obi-Wan Kenobi did not want to kill Anakin. The whole point of the fight was for Obi-Wan to subdue and again, not defeat him. If we would have seen a fight where Obi-Wan wanted to destroy Anakin, we would have seen something similar to win Obi-Wan dispatched Darth Maul at the end of the Clone Wars animated series.

  • @Tadicuslegion78
    @Tadicuslegion78 4 года назад +2080

    Girls: Boys don’t understand betrayal or heartbreak
    Boys: *choke up when Obi Wan says You were my brother Anakin, I loved you*

    • @rustkarl
      @rustkarl 4 года назад +209

      I did as well when I first saw it.
      The emotion on Obi-Wan/McGregor’s face and his voice... man...

    • @mrrm5456
      @mrrm5456 4 года назад +50

      You mean boy half a month long depression lol

    • @bluegent7
      @bluegent7 4 года назад +130

      Loyalty is important for men. Towards family, friends, collegial, employer, local region, fighting comrades and country.

    • @deedlessdeity218
      @deedlessdeity218 4 года назад +93

      Only girls who only think about themselves, are still stuck emotionally as 5-year-olds and perceive the world as self-centered as that think and say that. Sadly that seems to stick well into their 30ies quite often and even 50ies.

    • @oneparticularlysmartape
      @oneparticularlysmartape 4 года назад +86

      This is more powerful when you consider that Jedi knights where practically not allowed to have emotional attachments. So Obi-Wan saying that he loved Anakin and considered him a brother even if that meant breaking the code is in it self...
      Touching at least.

  • @TrueMohax
    @TrueMohax 4 года назад +225

    Obi-wan overhead block spin
    Shad: That is the coolest thing I’ve seen.
    Anakin: Really? Let me try.
    Spins
    Shad: NO! Why would you do that?!

    • @silverroxas358
      @silverroxas358 4 года назад +27

      Episode 1 Callback:
      "I'll try spinning! That's a good trick!"

    • @firestorm165
      @firestorm165 4 года назад +1

      Context matters... oh no.
      "Hi there Matt Eastern here"

  • @_Shay_
    @_Shay_ 2 года назад +72

    I love how they basically made that backwards flourish Anakin’s signature move. Of course other Jedi have done it once or twice, but Anakin constantly does it all through the prequels and Clone Wars.

  • @Seamus.Harper
    @Seamus.Harper 4 года назад +63

    53:26 "...you can't redirect your momentum. Once you are in the air, you are in the air. Granted, they are Force-users, maybe Force-users can redirect their momentum... that's _up in the air."_
    - Shad, Master of Swords and Words

  • @albertschoise8091
    @albertschoise8091 4 года назад +467

    Lucas: overchoreographed they said, unrealistic they said, surrounded by yes men they said. At least my character knew how to fight!
    Rian: *burp* edit out that d*burp*agger!

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 4 года назад +24

      hey hey hey....don't insult Rick.....he'd know how the fuck to write a decent film. He'd be straight on Rian's ass telling him to get Schwifty

    • @albertschoise8091
      @albertschoise8091 4 года назад +12

      @@darko-man8549 i was emulating more a drunk fat swamp guy then Rick though you are very much right

    • @darko-man8549
      @darko-man8549 4 года назад +5

      Alberts Choise okay. You are forgiven.

    • @scottski02
      @scottski02 4 года назад +3

      @@darko-man8549 Rian would have written a good film if he'd Got Schwiftyyyyyyy

  • @schw4rztee502
    @schw4rztee502 4 года назад +95

    My headcanon for the flourish-off is that it was just a moment of competing double-vision where they had a moment to both engage their Jedi-Future-Vision but with them becoming concious of what their opponent was about to do the future was just a whirlind and they both tried to parry strikes that would never come, but I'm fully concious of the fact that I just pulled that explanation out of my arse so my own enjoyment doesn't get hampered by that scene.

    • @fatbastard9147
      @fatbastard9147 4 года назад +1

      You know that would be an interesting explanation

    • @dianabarnett6886
      @dianabarnett6886 4 года назад +13

      That what I've always thought. You've got two combatants who each have precognitive powers each trying the sway the next moment of the future in their favor. They're basically in a precog bind there, seeing twelve moves ahead, and nothing works.

    • @Kdlslwn2kd
      @Kdlslwn2kd 4 года назад

      That’s exactly what I’ve always thought

    • @jonathankoch8654
      @jonathankoch8654 4 года назад

      Schw4rztee sort of like in Mistborn

    • @genobreaker1054
      @genobreaker1054 4 года назад +4

      I actually had the same thought about that scene, and several other weird moments during this and other fights.

  • @PastLifeVillian
    @PastLifeVillian 3 года назад +442

    The point of the “high ground” line is to lure Anakin into jumping over to him. He isnt saying hes actually in the advantageous striking position, especially since they arent even within striking distance due to Anakin being on the platform in the lava. He’s using Anakins arrogance against him. This has been pretty frequently talked about. Also, their flourish towards eachother is them testing eachother. Also been talked about often.

    • @Leekle2ManE
      @Leekle2ManE 3 года назад +69

      Exactly my thoughts too. As Shad points out when commenting on the lines/writing, Anakin's responses didn't match up with what Obiwan was saying. It shows he's unhinged in his thinking. Obiwan took advantage of this by claiming he had the high ground. A rational Anakin would have used the Force to move the droid close enough to just step off onto solid ground, but he isn't rational, so instead he he tries to prove his abilities and take the high ground for himself and plays right into Obiwan's trap. This also leads into the argument that Obiwan probably intentionally or subconciously missed all his opportunities, because even after winning the fight, he still can't bring himself to actually kill Anakin, just as he told Yoda he would not be able to.

    • @Dragonpuncher123
      @Dragonpuncher123 2 года назад +48

      Exactly. And having by having “The High Ground” Obi-Wan is also saying that he has the moral high ground. This pisses Anakin off even more since this whole fight is as much about fighting with ideals as fighting with swords.
      The way I see it, Obi-Wan is deliberate taunting Anakin and saying “You are just a sith, you can’t beat me like Maul couldn’t beat me”. In his arrogance and rage Anakin refuses to believe this and to prove his point (about how powerful he is) he tries to beat Obi-Wan with the exact move he used to kill Maul. Of course this is what Obi-Wan was expecting and he does what Maul should have done back in episode 1.
      I also like how this is right comes after Obi-Wan say “Then you are lost”. I think that is where he realized he had to stop Anakin by any means necessary. That Obi-Wan (who claims to have the moral high ground), wins the fight by basically luring Anakin into a trap, is a good reflection on the double standards of the jedi throughout the prequels and especially Clone Wars.

    • @xxHazzardousxx
      @xxHazzardousxx 2 года назад +8

      It also mirrors each other, the spinny flourish. It shows that these two people have trained and fought together for years and years

    • @merlith4650
      @merlith4650 2 года назад +5

      @@Dragonpuncher123 i mean it doesn't reflect any double standards. it's an ongoing battle, it's not a "trap" just because Anakin chose to be stupid. the whole point of a duel is to attempt to trick an opponent into making a mistake in the first place. i am afraid this is one of those instances of fans trying to apply deeper reasoning and validation for something silly, because we already know the origin of why "i have the high ground" was incuded in the script, and it had absolutely nothing to do with a deeper meta-message. fight choreographer Nick GIlliard straight up confirmed in an interview that his idea of the high ground came from the fact that Hayden Christensen hates walking up slopes. there was nothing significant about it, Obi-wan winning the fight because he was physically higher up than anakin was very much the intention by the movie makers.

    • @anoon-
      @anoon- 2 года назад +7

      I believe Anakin, as a Padawan, tried to replicate the jump move Obi Wan did against Maul to impress his master. Obi Wan acknowledged what Anakin was about to do and genuinely warned him not to, Anakin's arrogance got the best of him and he tried Kenobi's trick against Kenobi.

  • @andrewgalati3406
    @andrewgalati3406 3 года назад +691

    You misunderstand. The high ground does not give Obi-Wan power from a swordsmanship perspective, it simply multiplies his power in general.

    • @cheeseisjar3058
      @cheeseisjar3058 3 года назад +32

      Obi-wan+high ground > god

    • @g.strobl4458
      @g.strobl4458 3 года назад +3

      Or it just sped up his brains so that this time he used the opportunity?

    • @BeregondFirstCaptain
      @BeregondFirstCaptain 3 года назад +15

      Really obi wan is king of the low ground. He has won most of his fights by looking up at his opponent

    • @g.strobl4458
      @g.strobl4458 3 года назад +12

      Well, the most simple solution would be: He lied, trying to intimidate his student.

    • @fbdfngdfg5971
      @fbdfngdfg5971 3 года назад +4

      Is it like passive buff in rpg ?

  • @SkyStrikeZ
    @SkyStrikeZ 3 года назад +493

    The reason why this was so good was cause Ewan and Hayden were having an argument and the film crew just happened to be there

    • @MasquedMocha
      @MasquedMocha 2 года назад +24

      They just bust out the saber props for every argument they have

    • @austinsmith4716
      @austinsmith4716 Год назад +2

      ​@@MasquedMocha would there be any other way to settle an argument on a star wars set?

  • @noeyedeer460
    @noeyedeer460 4 года назад +417

    I love how most of the flaws are Obi-Wan failing to take advantage of Anakin's openings because it actually makes a lot of sense. Obi-Wans entire method of lightsaber combat is to wear down his opponent with an impenetrable defense so he was likely holding out hope that the fight could be resolved without having to kill Anakin. Obi-Wan is also practically outright stated to be the better swordsman and even though he's backpedalling the whole time he's visibly more collected at the end of the fight. So to me it makes complete sense that Anakin would leave more openings and Obi-Wan wouldn't necessarily capatalise to the point where I barely consider them flaws.
    Thanks for the awesome video! It was really interesting to hear your take.

    • @barrysky6277
      @barrysky6277 4 года назад +8

      No Eye Deer someone else sees what I see

    • @rafaellago172
      @rafaellago172 4 года назад +36

      Adding to your comment: he decided to adapt Soresu (the defensive form) after witnessing Qui-Gon's death due to his form's lack of proper defense in closed quarters. Up to that point, both practiced Ataru. From Wookieepedia:
      "Fatigue was theorized to have been a contributing factor in Qui-Gon Jinn's defeat on Naboo at the hands of Sith Lord Darth Maul during the latter stages of the Battle of Naboo. In fact, ever since their brief fight on Tatooine, Maul knew that Ataru would be the Jedi Master's undoing. Another contributing factor in Jinn's death was the requirement of open space for the kinetic acrobatics of Ataru. Without ample space to move in the Theed Royal Palace reactor core, Jinn was deprived of the key element in his defense, and thus could only attempt to block Maul's incessant barrage of Form VII strikes. This event influenced Kenobi-after his Master's death, he changed his preferred form to Soresu, the most defensive of all forms."

    • @kaiHYEON
      @kaiHYEON 4 года назад +13

      @@rafaellago172 this so much. What @shadiversity does not acknowledge is that Anakin and obi wan use different techniques. Also that this entire fight scene was done in one take and at the speed it is seen at in the actual movie, so yes, human error is a thing and obi wan has a far more defensive style than Anakin's.

    • @ghosty918
      @ghosty918 4 года назад +8

      Technically Obi-Wan's fighting style is designed to wear down the opponent until they can end the fight with one blow. That blow being any of the openings Anakin offers.

    • @arbiterprime2145
      @arbiterprime2145 4 года назад +10

      Obi-wan is definitely the better defensive fighter, but Anakin is a better offensive fighter, using a more aggressive style, backed with the added power from the dark side and he is physically stronger. So this is literally Immovable object (Obi-wan) vs Irresistible force (Anakin).

  • @gatitoplatanito270
    @gatitoplatanito270 3 года назад +281

    37:36 earlier in the movie, Anakin cut off Dookus hands by doing this move, and he was trying to do the same to Obi-Wan, but Obi-Wan was countering it. Also, it helps to keep in mind throughout the fight that it was designed to show that Anakin was in control, and that Obi-Wan didn’t want to kill Anakin. So it would make sense that any advantage he saw he would’ve ignored, hence why he was on the defensive the whole time, while Anakin was on the attack the whole fight.

    • @Archedgar
      @Archedgar 2 года назад +3

      Ooh, nice. I never caught that.

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 2 года назад +9

      Obi-wan was trying to wear him out into submission.

    • @PatoChu
      @PatoChu 10 месяцев назад

      No its not the same move at all. Not even the same side, they’re just dragging their sabers in a circular motion

    • @davari9032
      @davari9032 7 месяцев назад +3

      @@PatoChuit’s literally the same exact move lmao😭

    • @PatoChu
      @PatoChu 7 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@davari9032 No it is not. It's not even remotely close. I've learned both choreographies and they just look similar, but they are completely different.
      In this Mustafar shot, Anakin comes out of a right-spin to attack Obi-Wan from his left while Obi-Wan had his lightsaber blocking his upper body with the tip pointing upwards. Kenobi parries this attack with a weird circular motion by dragging Anakin's left attack downwards, then to the right. (from Anakin's POV) After this, he takes the opportunity and tries to stab Anakin but he parries his attack away by continuing the circular motion Obi-Wan set him in.
      In this fight scene, Anakin never "tried" to disarm Kenobi, in fact it was actually Obi-Wan who was trying to cut Anakin's legs... it can be confusing for the viewers tho...
      In the Invisible Hand however, it's completely different. Anakin does come out of a right spin to slice Dooku but when he gets blocked, he does a left 180 spin instead and blocks Dooku's upper swing with his own tip pointing to the right in an awkward position. Dooku tries to take advantage of this and pushes Anakin's lightsaber forward but Anakin outsmarts him and before it's too late, he holds and gains control over Dooku's lightsaber, repositions his blade and effortlessly defeats Dooku.
      Basically, in this scene, Anakin simply outsmarts Dooku for trying to take advantage of him, which ironically fits the context PERFECTLY.
      It's really hard to explain and visualize on text, so I'd recommend you try to watch a tutorial on these choreographies instead of watching the film because from the angles the scenes were shot from, they can appear very similar.
      Note: These swings mostly happen in fractions of a second so it might be a little confusing.

  • @therodyman700
    @therodyman700 4 года назад +551

    Obi: Anakin, Palpatine is evil!
    Ani: That point is debatable as from my perspective, which i laid out in this power point presentation, the jedi are evil!
    Obi: well now i'm lost!

    • @MrJinglejanglejingle
      @MrJinglejanglejingle 4 года назад +43

      I mean, that's what he gets for using Power Point.

    • @histguy101
      @histguy101 4 года назад +23

      D.B.P.P.
      Death By Power Point.
      I have fallen victim many times.

    • @brokemage1395
      @brokemage1395 4 года назад +10

      @@histguy101 The military has trained you well. XD

    • @GeneralBlackNorway
      @GeneralBlackNorway 4 года назад +6

      @@MrJinglejanglejingle Unlimited Power Points!!!!!!!!

    • @Numbuh24Insane
      @Numbuh24Insane 4 года назад +1

      Ah good ol' Cox N' Crendor

  • @thekingofcardboard
    @thekingofcardboard 4 года назад +336

    There are pleanty of times during the fight where Anikin and Obiwan attacked or blocked with a flourish. So, I like to think the "flourish-off" was the lightsaber fight equivalent of two people trying to pass each other in a hallway, but they keep moving to the same side. Each of them was expecting the other to attack, but neither did, so they kept swinging long enough to go "oh, screw this".

    • @jayrapley8638
      @jayrapley8638 4 года назад +113

      That's what I always figured most of the fight was. One had trained the other and both had fought side by side for years, so each were over predicting what the other was going to do

    • @beardedbjorn5520
      @beardedbjorn5520 4 года назад +34

      Jay Rapley in the EU that’s exactly what it was.

    • @FuddlyDud
      @FuddlyDud 4 года назад +18

      @Jay Rapley
      Thank you for again, explaining how good the prequels are (and why we should appreciate what we have) :)

    • @ismaelsantos5378
      @ismaelsantos5378 4 года назад +16

      In the EU its amso explained that students often would practice "speeds" with their teacher or other padawan. They consisted of a series of strikes and blocks and they would repeat them at ever increasing speeduntil someone got hit (they used practice lightsabers for that) or yielded.
      So its possible that in the heat of the battle they reverted to the speeds they did in the past for a brief moment.

    • @FuddlyDud
      @FuddlyDud 4 года назад +3

      @@ismaelsantos5378 Dang...the EU clearly got alot right :)

  • @Z4hL
    @Z4hL 4 года назад +389

    Coreographer: the actors made a few mistakes but the scene it's fast and flashy so no one will notice. I mean, Who would ever make a one hour long analysis of this fight frame by frame?
    Shad: so we'll see

  • @TruetoCaesar
    @TruetoCaesar 3 года назад +59

    ROTS: A modest person doing the best with what he has.
    TLJ: A poor man wearing supreme and a walking jewllery store

  • @PhazonX
    @PhazonX 4 года назад +208

    I never noticed the level of anguish on Hayden's face during this fight scene, like gosh, there's was actually so much emotion to it.

    • @Madasaur91
      @Madasaur91 4 года назад +85

      It's actually a good example of how good an actor he is. He gets a lot of flak for his role as Anakin, but most of the criticism comes from the dialogue, which isn't up to him. Any scenes where he is just able to emote are really well done. When Windu heads to arrest Palaptine and Anakin is left in the Jedi Council chamber alone (With no dialogue) you can really see his turmoil.

    • @freddybeer
      @freddybeer 4 года назад +51

      He stayed in character a few times on set between takes - so as not to lose the intensity. Natalie said, at one point, when she approached him, Hayden's 'warmth' was just 'gone.' I'll try and find the source.

    • @MrJinglejanglejingle
      @MrJinglejanglejingle 4 года назад +11

      Hayden is a really good actor, honestly. Any time that he's left to his own devices, to act... When he's not restricted by the writing? He truly feels like the man that will become Darth Vader.

    • @thepewplace1370
      @thepewplace1370 4 года назад +10

      Hayden was a perfect choice for Anakin at this stage: even thought George's dialogue was extremely poor and clunky, he still manages to convey a huge amount of emotion. Not just in this fight scene, but check out the difference in his character in Clones vs Sith. He portrays the fall into darkness and anger really well, and its not over the top.

  • @thatcrystalpie
    @thatcrystalpie 3 года назад +501

    I always thought they flourished at each other because they were consistently predicting the other's move and both trying to work around it.

    • @10dollarsteakneggs86
      @10dollarsteakneggs86 3 года назад +13

      That’s the in universe reason but like it’s just bad choreography

    • @trickcyber
      @trickcyber 3 года назад +95

      @@10dollarsteakneggs86 thats not bad choreography

    • @10dollarsteakneggs86
      @10dollarsteakneggs86 3 года назад +3

      @@trickcyber I just meant that infamous part where they just stood there swinging in the air

    • @trickcyber
      @trickcyber 3 года назад +53

      @@10dollarsteakneggs86 yeah it's not bad choreography they're both just looking for an opening

    • @10dollarsteakneggs86
      @10dollarsteakneggs86 3 года назад +16

      @@trickcyber yah I know that’s the in universe answer but shad goes over why it’s dumb in real life

  • @tlsgrz6194
    @tlsgrz6194 4 года назад +220

    I think the “I failed you” line is one of the best lines in Star Wars. For me, Star Wars and especially the prequels are not about “good Jedi” against “evil Sith” but about the dangers of, in lack of a better word, extremism on both sides. Anakin looses his mother because the Jedi forbade him to rescue her, and afterwards he’s told to “control his emotion” (so basically “Calm down”), he expects to lose the love of his life because the Jedi teachings don’t allow him to seek help for her. And still he told Windu about Palpatine (the one who promised him to help Padme and his best father figure) being a Sith Lord, basically sacrificing his love for the Jedi. And then Windu tries to ignore the Jedi code, the one Anakin sacrificed everything for. That’s the moment he becomes Darth Vader, that’s the point of no return. And it’s the failings of the Jedi and by extension Obi Wan that brought him there.
    Obi Wan failed him because as a close friend and mentor he should have seen it coming. He should have been someone Anakin can talk to, and I think he knows that. I think that’s why Obi Wan (and Yoda) went on to become hermits, because they knew that it were the Jedi whose failings created Darth Vader.

    • @mousermind
      @mousermind 4 года назад +5

      *loses

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 4 года назад +25

      Spot, fucking, on! I've explained this in similar fashion to many, yet they still persist in their mindset that Anakin's downfall was badly written. The prequels did not deserve the hate they got.

    • @michaelstark8720
      @michaelstark8720 4 года назад +13

      Lucas did everything as he should. Some fans simply would never accept different story from OT.
      Lucas went too far with Jar Jar in ep1 and kid Anakin shouldn't destroyed Droid ship but everything else was good paced movie with lot of locations and showed universe in state of decay and rise of Sith though corrupt system.
      next two episodes build on that state of universe till showdown in ep3
      prequels have such huge scope of universe and no other franchise came close. Actions taken on Coruscant were felt across galaxy and Anakin journey into darkness step by step was awesome He was kid who looked on Jedi as heroes, wanted to become jedi to save his mother and others from slavery. after time he becomed arrogant because he was better than other students, tortured by dreams about his mother, want to see what is happening with her and Obi Wan tell him dreams pass in times, When he got his first assignment still is tortured by dreams but he put duty first until he cant take anymore and went to see what is wrong with his mother, try to save her, she died and he killed her captors, swear that he won't fail again on grave of his mother, arrogant again and was fried by lighting and lost an arm from duel with Dooku, prideful my power are doubled since we met, use anger and kill Dooku, still save Obi wan, he learn that will become father which is problem for Jedi, tortured by dreams of his wife death, ask jedi about visions and they tell him to be happy that others die miss them do not mourn them do not. Palpatine masterfully control Anakin and make that Jedi humiliate him by not giving him rank of master, Anakin and Jedi council are moving far from each other. Jedi Council ask that he spy Palpatine before they even knew he was Sith which make Jedi bad and power hungry that want to control and are no different then Siths. Palpatine reveal himself to Anakin and promise him that he can help him save his wife Padme. Anakin in shock that his fatherfigure is sith went to seek Jedi but realize that they are no different and when came into Palpatine office, Windu wants to kill Palpatine and only Anakin say that's not Jedi way and Windu answer same as palpatine did after Dooku died which confirmed for Anakin that Jedi are no different from Siths so he cut windu hand and Palpatine fried windu. After being part of killing leaading member of jedi council, life he knew was over and only side he have is with Palpatine. To become more powerful to learn dark side to use it like Plageous, he must do dark deeds so he Purged Jedi from temple. After that he went to destroy separatists and he brought peace to the galaxy. After that he had time to reflect on his actions but he has gone too far and choice he made is permanent. Padme hears what happened and want check for herself so she went on mustafar and Obi Wan secretly boarded and after Anakin saw her, she wanted to leave but he wanted to stay because they don't have to run anymore and he still didn't learn what he need to save her, After that Obi Wan appear, he thought that Padme brought Obi Wan to kill him so he force choke her feeling betrayed and only because of arrogance he lost against Obi Wan.
      Awesome and unique story of Anakin Skywalker. And that was mostly two movies because TPM was mostly Qui Gon and obi Wan movie.

    • @oteila6151
      @oteila6151 4 года назад +8

      @@michaelstark8720 good points but holy fuck pls learn english before you write another essay like that. It actually hurt me physically to read this

    • @michaelstark8720
      @michaelstark8720 4 года назад

      @@oteila6151 If you can understand it, then its good enough. Anyway you want more essays? Here we go.....

  • @superpaytonmars8852
    @superpaytonmars8852 3 года назад +90

    Might I suggest Anakin's rematch with Dooku? I especially love the bit where Anakin runs his lightsaber down and right through Dooku's wrists. Completely impractical for a regular sword, but totally works with a lightsaber.

  • @SendBreadPics
    @SendBreadPics 4 года назад +1551

    When Obi Wan misses opportunities, keep in mind he didn't wanna kill Anakin.
    edit: spelling

    • @Goldfire345
      @Goldfire345 4 года назад +224

      Yeah at best he just wanted to stop him without landing a fatal blow

    • @Litany_of_Fury
      @Litany_of_Fury 4 года назад +206

      Obi Wan was practicing defensive fighting as he was a master of the combat form. Defend until you gain a tactical advantage.

    • @GKPB
      @GKPB 4 года назад +87

      @Kiernan Rogers I guess he mean the high ground

    • @Goldfire345
      @Goldfire345 4 года назад +155

      @Kiernan Rogers yes but again he didn't want to land a fatal blow unless he had to. He didn't want to kill anakin except as a last resort so he ignored all those possible fatal openings to avoid doing that

    • @Litany_of_Fury
      @Litany_of_Fury 4 года назад +77

      @Kiernan Rogers That can be explained in universe with the force. Force users can predict incoming attacks and speed up their bodies using the force. Obi Wan masted the Saber art of defense and is heralded as the greatest defensive fighter in all Star Wars.

  • @BookManParrin
    @BookManParrin 4 года назад +274

    Me: clicks on video expecting Shad to shit on the fight.
    Shad: is mostly positive and praises the fight,
    Me: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

  • @heavenblood6886
    @heavenblood6886 4 года назад +277

    Everything about this scene suggests a massive amount of time and effort was put into it. The director, choreographer, cinematographer, composer, stuntmen and actors all understood why the characters were fighting, how they were fighting, what their goals were and what their limits were. They must have spent ages planning every little detail, and I think it holds up really well even today. That throne room scene from The Last Jedi however, fails at the first hurdle. We as the audience have no idea why the Imperial Guards are fighting now that their leader/employer is dead. At least I didn't. Add to that all the inconsistencies, mistakes rectified in post and general sloppy choreography, and it pales in comparison. Substance vs Superficiality I guess.

    • @corruptangel6793
      @corruptangel6793 4 года назад +25

      Just training wise. Hayden and Ewan spent 3 hours a day, every day for 6 months practicing for this fight. They broke SO many stunt sabers and accidentally hit eachother countless times to get this fight so tight and fast.

    • @Wilsontripplets
      @Wilsontripplets 4 года назад +20

      what makes this fight more impressive is that it was in real time, the actors were actually performing those moves.

    • @Mr.Sniffles
      @Mr.Sniffles 4 года назад +1

      I always assumed that the Imperial Guards fight Rey and Kylo out of loyalty/revenge. But you’re right about how this is never explained to the audience.

    • @dracocrusher
      @dracocrusher 4 года назад

      What are you even on about? They just saw these people kill the guy they're paid to protect. Why would they just stand there and let their leader's murderers just get away? These people are criminals who just killed the guy they're loyal to, of course they're going to do something about it.
      With Episode 3, though, I get why these two are fighting but I never really understood Obi Wan's intentions because he clearly doesn't like the idea of fighting Anakin, but it's never made clear at all whether he wants to actually kill him or not. There's never really that moment where you see him start off on the defensive and then he realizes he has to aim to kill no matter what and both of them seem to just be fighting very defensively the entire time. It doesn't really feel like a story with ups and downs as much as it feels like just an overly flashy segment of padding to get to the point where Obi Wan can have the advantage of the high ground, where he's forced to act.
      While it's a way technically worse fight scene with way more unrealistic choreography, the fight against Darth Maul is actually way better from a story and character perspective because who knows what the heck Darth Maul really wants, but you definitely understand that he's there to kill them and you see him actively adjust to the fact that he has to take on two opponents at once until they get separated and you see that nice bit of heavy-handed character work where Qui Gon is very calm and patient while Darth Maul is just pacing back and forth like he's irritated at how long this is taking. Then he gets Qui Gon and Obi Wan just goes into a rage and manages to overpower him. It's not as much of a series of flashy moves, there's clear stages to the fight with each character doing better or worse as it progresses.
      In contrast, Obi Wan vs Anakin feels like they're on even footing the entire time until the end, which only makes the fight feel like it drags on and on until the final exchange. It makes for a very narrative boring action scene that gets by mostly because it's so over the top and flashy, which is a shame for the big final confrontation that the entire Prequel Trilogy was building up to. Which is to say nothing of all the CG setpieces that just make a lot of the fight feel like even more padding.
      Say what you will, but I HEAVILY doubt anyone ever felt like that fight could have ended on the ropes or hover-platforms because it's so goofy that you just instinctively know they're in no danger at all.

  • @Kale13000
    @Kale13000 3 года назад +55

    regardless of any minor issues, I think we can all agree that as a cinematic fight scene this is extremely epic

  • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
    @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 4 года назад +348

    I think the " I have failed you" line does make sense, because we see throughout the prequels that many time obi wan dismisses, or just doesn't really listen to Anakin and his struggles

    • @ddy7323
      @ddy7323 4 года назад +34

      I think it's because he doesnt understand anakin's, inability to let go. While obi wan as every jedi feels emotions, through his education he has learned not to let himself be overwhelmed by them and understand that sometime there's just nothing you can do, like when satine died.

    • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
      @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 4 года назад +5

      @@ddy7323 um ok, I'm not sure if you're trying to argue against me, reinforce my point, or just add to the discussion.
      in any case, what you said is interesting, but I don't really have anything to comment on it, plus I never watched the clone wars tv show, so I don't know much about satine.

    • @ddy7323
      @ddy7323 4 года назад +17

      @@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 Satine was a woman that obi wan loved that darth maul killed write in front of him out of spite. He didn't go to murderous rage, or went on a quest for revenge but he did grieve.

    • @ddy7323
      @ddy7323 4 года назад +7

      @@slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 What i was trying to say is that it's not so much simple dismissal from obi wan so much as he didn't understand or couldn't comprehend why he was struggling so much.

    • @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447
      @slkjvlkfsvnlsdfhgdght5447 4 года назад

      @@ddy7323 I disagree, but ok

  • @ChrisBackofen
    @ChrisBackofen 4 года назад +419

    Noticing some trends, like Anakin leaves himself open and Obi-Wan doesn't take advantage of that. In the context of the narrative - Anakin is consumed by rage, and Obi-Wan doesn't really want to harm him - is this more reasonable?

    • @TheStraightestWhitest
      @TheStraightestWhitest 4 года назад +122

      And we can add to that the fact that Anakin is a nearly unequaled master of Djem-So, which is an aggressive action/reaction fighting style. It is literally based around being overly aggressive, and then countering your opponent's counter, funny as that sounds. Obi-Wan being the greatest Soresu (defensive counter style) knew he had to tire Anakin out, lest the risk of being countered himself was too great.
      I think it was the combination of both these things that made him hesitate, and he only ever had 0,1 seconds, so it's not like he was actively not harming Anakin. I could be rationalizing, but hell, even if I am it is perfectly reasonable as these would be valid reasons as to why he didn't chop him down earlier.

    • @metaforest
      @metaforest 4 года назад +48

      This does kinda fit the narrative. I'd add that I was once in a fist fight with a drunk friend who decided to go off on me. I blocked and dodged a flurry of punches, kicks and grapple attempts aimed at me without returning any blows. I didn't want to hurt my friend. I just let him run out of gas trying to get shots in. The closest he got was a literal 'boop' that touched the end of my nose as I backed my head out of a well timed combo. :D

    • @sebas8225
      @sebas8225 4 года назад +40

      Chris Backofen, After analyzing how Obi doesnt imediately take advantage of the initial mistakes of Anakin, it may suggest he initially wanted to spare him and only sought to disarm him of his lightsaber, possibly having to cut off one of his arms in the process, but in the ending segment, when Anakin tries to do his trick he tells him not to try it, because that next move was when Obi decided to disarm Anakin´s legs and give him the lava ground treatment, as punishment for his fall.

    • @Kishimyu
      @Kishimyu 4 года назад +37

      Also to patch the "they're aiming or each other's weapon instead of dealing a death blow". Jedi/Sith and any force sensitive can have premonitions or insight on future moments and possible outcomes of said events. So instead of risking leaving themselves open they're actively trying to counter one another's next move. Also with their familiarity with each other's fighting style and movesets they're simply doing their best to outplay the other ie. striking the opponent's weapon to stop a potential move.

    • @pascalpodszus8091
      @pascalpodszus8091 4 года назад +6

      Honestly, i wanted to write down that there is also a deep emotional Level to this Fight and so on... But you Guys said it all 😂 yes Obi wan didn't want to Cut down Anakin and yes it comes down to theyre mastery of the respective Styles and familiarity with each other which btw leads to the "flurrish Off" which is also to Show Off said Last fact and not Just to bei fancy

  • @Lexie_Tyler05
    @Lexie_Tyler05 4 года назад +11346

    I've been looking forward to this

    • @palpatinethesenatehog7086
      @palpatinethesenatehog7086 4 года назад +556

      Hello there!

    • @spynix0718
      @spynix0718 4 года назад +443

      General Kenobi. You are a bold one.

    • @wolfpaw2715
      @wolfpaw2715 4 года назад +145

      Didn't y'all lose to Dooku ? XD

    • @johnwick293
      @johnwick293 4 года назад +24

      Obi Wan Kenobi OMG I was going to say that 😱😭

    • @fatim0nster
      @fatim0nster 4 года назад +15

      You should get a good view from the highground

  • @datpieceofbread9570
    @datpieceofbread9570 3 года назад +40

    Very late. But the "I have the high ground!" and "Don't try it." is actually pretty valid. Obi Wan spent a lot of time meditating and thinking about that moment when he managed to leap over Darth Maul and mentally went through how it could've gone. And more than likely would've taught Ani what happened that day. So Obi could see that Ani was planning on pulling a similar move, hence the "Don't try it." which, Ani does and Obi Wan counters.

    • @markstenquist2315
      @markstenquist2315 3 года назад +5

      I made that point. This whole fight scene starts and end thematic elements through the whole star wars story. I love it.

    • @fransiscayulianita68
      @fransiscayulianita68 Год назад +3

      ​@How did I get subscribed to this channel? He did.

  • @napalmblaziken
    @napalmblaziken 3 года назад +803

    The fact that McGregor and Christensen moved at that speed is impressive.

    • @TheMeta141
      @TheMeta141 3 года назад +67

      1 of the things i really liked about the Clone Wars was how it allowed hte characters to move at a supernatural speed and do impossible things but this came pretty close

    • @zaffarismail1508
      @zaffarismail1508 3 года назад +46

      this really does show just how good they were, not as actors but more of like dancers... sounds silly i know but this is more of an art form than acting. it takes real skill to be in perfect sync with someone else especially in these types of scenes

    • @mikeyguest6596
      @mikeyguest6596 3 года назад +28

      They had to slow it down a bit aswell because George Lucas thought Hayden and ewan were going to quick to be believed by the viewer.

    • @TheMeta141
      @TheMeta141 3 года назад +42

      @@mikeyguest6596 that's 1 of my main problems with the Autopsy is that it acts as if these mistakes could be taken advantage of, at the speed they're going there isn't enough time AND ObiWan isn't TRYING to kill Anakin, and Anakin is a show off

    • @AJkingwing
      @AJkingwing 3 года назад +9

      @@zaffarismail1508 All fights are like dances after all, and they do an amazing job at this! So nah dude, you don't sound silly, you sound right :>

  • @TheNorthlander
    @TheNorthlander 4 года назад +320

    Personal opinion:
    The moments Obi-Wan has a moment to strike Anakin but doesn't could be justified in that this whole fight starts with Kenobi clearly being against fighting his friend and brother in arms, he's conflicted.

    • @HighPhoenix1754
      @HighPhoenix1754 4 года назад +43

      This really was the case actually. Obi-Wan was intentionally drawing out the fight.
      Part of him knew he'd have to kill him, but two things were affecting his marital judgment here.
      A. His conflicting emotions
      B. The fact that the main thing keeping him in this fight was his Soresu mastery, any slip in defense, Anakin would have taken advantage of and the fight would have been over.
      Obi-Wan knew this.
      So even when obi-wan had openings he could have exploited he both didn't want to slip up and didn't really want to kill his "brother."
      Definitely not defending all the inconsistencies in the fight of course, but some of them can be explained by that.

    • @atk9989
      @atk9989 4 года назад +14

      @@HighPhoenix1754right also add in that they are force enhancing their speed and strength to the point of inhuman and a non force sensitive could barely keep up with watching the fight they dont have time to see and take the openings that would actually be only the briefest blink of an eye in timing. so all these "big" openings are actually less of an opening then a beat of the heart before its gone. Jedi fight at stupid speeds which is the singular reason non force sensitives dont stand much of a chance in melee unless the Jedi lets them.

    • @HighPhoenix1754
      @HighPhoenix1754 4 года назад +14

      @@atk9989 this too. Though most Jedi have a degree of combative foresight, when two force users are faced off against one another, that too cancels out and it's left to skill, tactics, and power from that point on.

    • @Cauceboi
      @Cauceboi 4 года назад +6

      That’s why Obi-Wan aiming for Anakin’s lightsaber instead of Anakin himself makes sense too, he’s defending himself, not attacking his opponent.

    • @catsi563
      @catsi563 4 года назад +3

      Its fully possible and to add to that we must also take Obi Wans lightsaber style in to account. Form 3 Soressu was an almost entirely defensive style while capable of offence is designed to defend. So it makes sense that Obi wan would be on a defensive footing for most of the fight until the right opportunity to strike would arise. Anakins form 5 is far more aggressive and thus he would be on the attack

  • @CC-8891
    @CC-8891 3 года назад +1121

    Always thought Hayden played Skywalker perfectly. Absolutely perfectly. The expression of hate he has thru out the fight is intense. Likewise for Ewan. He looks like he's on the verge of tears, almost like he can't believe what is going on. That final "I HATE YOU!" was so guttural and cathartic it gives me chills. The pain in obi wans eyes at the end is absolutely devastating.

    • @trapperofthecentury5438
      @trapperofthecentury5438 3 года назад +113

      Agree. This film is a masterpiece of portraying emotion. That scene where Anakin and Padme stare out into the distance and Anakin basically gives up on the light... pure goosebumps.

    • @0predaking0
      @0predaking0 3 года назад +29

      And two movie ago Anakin was like "I have to help them mom" damn that's hearth breaking

    • @villerintanthillith1762
      @villerintanthillith1762 3 года назад +13

      "i don't like sand"

    • @0predaking0
      @0predaking0 3 года назад +34

      @@villerintanthillith1762 yeah well try to be almost like a Sheldon Cooper all your life, and then when you meet the girl you fancied all those years ago. . . . Try to flirt with her.

    • @Real_Genji
      @Real_Genji 3 года назад +21

      Hayden is an S+ tier actor

  • @obi-kennawobi07
    @obi-kennawobi07 3 года назад +281

    You have to remember we have been fighting together for many years so we know how the other fights, and our different styles of lightsaber combat (Anakin uses form 5 and me form 3). Also, the force allows us to even better predict the movements of each other. BTW form 5 focuses on heavy large strikes to pressure your opponent while form 3 focuses on mainly defensive moves to wait for an opening to take advantage of.
    P.S. I was once called THE master of Soresu (form 3) by master Mace Windu
    Edit: This is one of the nerdiest comment sections I’ve ever seen and I love it
    Edit 2: Also I wasn’t trying to kill him until later I was simply trying to disarm him at first. And he was being reckless and letting his emotions take over, he wasn’t thinking as strategically as normal. Also (out of character here) some parts of this footage are actually slowed down so the music, Duel of the Fates, didn’t seem awkward and out of place.

    • @samiuddin7051
      @samiuddin7051 2 года назад +6

      You're not obi wan. Stop pretending

    • @kreigguardsman3355
      @kreigguardsman3355 2 года назад +21

      I believe he called you the undisputed master of Soresu

    • @obi-kennawobi07
      @obi-kennawobi07 2 года назад +41

      @@samiuddin7051 I’m not pretending that I am

    • @xx_redwood_xx9737
      @xx_redwood_xx9737 2 года назад +5

      Battle of the Heroes not Duel of the Fates

    • @realDarkPeterson
      @realDarkPeterson 2 года назад +25

      @@samiuddin7051 From my point of view, he is Obi-Wan!

  • @bubblesofthecoast6393
    @bubblesofthecoast6393 4 года назад +91

    If there’s anything I got out of this, Anakin kept to his word that “spinning is a good trick”

  • @daruna3142
    @daruna3142 4 года назад +123

    it's important to note that this entire fight scene was performed in real time. there is no digital speedup to the actors, the speed you're seeing in the footage is the speed they were moving at on set during recording. god it's so impressive. really makes you appreciate stuff like 40:25 EVEN MORE

    • @evildrhobbes5974
      @evildrhobbes5974 4 года назад +55

      Actually, this is incorrect
      They *slowed it down* for some parts because they were moving so fast it didn’t look human, which could also be why some of the mistakes seem more avoidable than they would’ve been

  • @williamlennie
    @williamlennie 4 года назад +126

    Seems like the choreographers knew what a fight would look like, we're able to adapt that for Hollywood style, and we're only limited by the actor's abilities (which weren't bad tbh)

    • @lordodysseus
      @lordodysseus 4 года назад +6

      I'm pretty sure you meant were. We're is we are. Don't worry about it. I learned this when I was 6. I'm sure you'll get around to it.

    • @williamlennie
      @williamlennie 4 года назад +3

      @@lordodysseus yep

  • @urbanundergroundracingleag4956
    @urbanundergroundracingleag4956 3 года назад +74

    I can't argue with the analysis of the choreography, narratively we have several things happening with the characters...
    A. Neither truly wants to kill the other at this point, Obi less so but that is my take he is
    B. showing Anikan that he is still the master, which echoes/foreshadows Vader vs. Luke in Empire but it is a more intense fight because
    C. this is master and highly trained student. It is more chess match than sword fight with each player knowing to near perfection each others moves, counter moves and favorite tricks
    I have many 30+ years of SCA fighting and one of the more combat heavy LARPs and I have seen and been in fights with closely matched opponents that train together and sometimes the follow through with a strike is stopped because one of them suspects a trick or has a moment of doubt...it seems odd but it is a human thing that happens.
    Quick edit for an after thought, advanced fighters, like chess masters, are setting moves far ahead of what the average and uninitiated can. thus the continuous action and seemingly missed opportunities.
    Again, all in story justification stuff...

  • @WatchMeDrown
    @WatchMeDrown 4 года назад +281

    Anakin adding “from my point of view” is actually an admission he knows he’s on the wrong side, but he’s too selfish and enraged to see that.

    • @overkill0284
      @overkill0284 4 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @admiralsand
      @admiralsand 4 года назад +18

      *yes*
      Also, from his point of view, the Jedi *are* evil, because they’ve done nothing really for him except screw him over

    • @admiralsand
      @admiralsand 4 года назад +8

      Shayan he was bullied as a padawan, and the council didn’t do anything, the council didn’t let him check on his mother every once in a while, and despite being the hero of the clone wars, was not made a Jedi master.

    • @noahhathaway5065
      @noahhathaway5065 4 года назад +7

      @@admiralsand i only have an issue with your second and third statement. 2. He was not allowed to see his mother as Jedi are taught to shun attachment. 3. He was not made master because if i remember correctly, palpatine put anakin on the council despite the council likely not believing he was ready.

    • @feelmydecay
      @feelmydecay 4 года назад +2

      @@admiralsand I don't like sand

  • @rustkarl
    @rustkarl 4 года назад +242

    It kind of tears me in two to see this.
    Because there are some instances where the plot would explain some of the moves taken.
    Slight precognition, the difference in physical strength and speed between the two opponents, the familiarity of the characters, the motives (i.e Obi-Wan doesn’t really want to kill Anakin.) and the fact that Anakin makes more mistakes because he’s tapping into the Dark Side and his negative emotions.
    But at the end of the day it’s still a technical flaw.
    Ah well, at least I can say I liked the Prequels for the choreography than the shite we got in the sequels.
    And the really good stuff we have here is worth it I think.
    To the point where I agree with Shad, This IS the best lightsaber duel in Star Wars.

    • @xSniper1982
      @xSniper1982 4 года назад +13

      I was going to comment on this myself and then saw this comment.
      Obi-Wan is a better fighter and trying to talk/calm/wear Anakin down, he's not making a killing blow because he's not trying to kill.
      IF Obi-Wan had wanted to disable/kill Anakin from the start, the fight would have been over in the first real exchange.

    • @itsjustcris5497
      @itsjustcris5497 4 года назад +11

      @@xSniper1982 Id argue that Obi Wan was the better fighter then. As a whole Anakin tops him easily when it comes to sheer skill and talent. Anakin is however, completely overtaken with rage so in this duel Obi Wan is able to contain him and even finishes the fight by capitalizing on the rage and arrogance of Anakin.

    • @rustkarl
      @rustkarl 3 года назад +2

      @nathaniel gray
      Soresu, form 3 which he supplements with form 4 Ataru.
      Anakin uses one of two variants of from 5 Djem So, which while it is marked by counter offensive principles is also marked by heavy offensive movements.

  • @urthiaeirletherail7277
    @urthiaeirletherail7277 3 года назад +179

    I always saw Obi-wan's lack of aggression as the embodiment of the quote, "I can't kill Anakin."
    Minor hesitations that allow a more aggressive Anakin to make mistakes he normally wouldn't.

    • @0predaking0
      @0predaking0 3 года назад +5

      Obi-Wan was the Máster of the defensive form Soresu. Mace windy even called him as such saying but to you Master Kenobi what Does soresu has to fill in any weakness?

    • @Iwanwahid1969
      @Iwanwahid1969 3 года назад

      @@0predaking0
      idk what you are trying to say but if you are asking what Soresu weakness is, it was force user. Soresu offensive style mainly involve counter attack against light saber and blaster. A force user will have a field day with passive defender who doesnt want to fight close and dirty.
      Anakin is a force user tho...but his recklessness is his undoing.

    • @Fazeshyft
      @Fazeshyft 3 года назад +4

      That's something Shad doesn't really consider, but for the purposes of this video, he doesn't need to. There is so much psychology at play while everything is unfolding. Good call!

  • @TPKPatchy
    @TPKPatchy 3 года назад +116

    For Anakins telegraphs, considering he's enraged it seems reasonable he would overdo some swings.

    • @MylesKillis
      @MylesKillis 5 месяцев назад +1

      He also hasn’t slept for weeks

  • @legofreak9746
    @legofreak9746 4 года назад +220

    Some nice lore context for this fightscene:
    The Jedi actually have different schools/forms of lightsaber fighting, which favor different strikes, Guard-positions, follow certain principles etc. We actually know which ones are used by Obi-Wan and Anakin - and the best part about it is: you can tell from the way they are fighting.
    Obi-Wan is known to be *the* master of "Soresu" (the third lightsaber fighting form), which is a very defensive style based around tiring the opponent out and was actually conceived to counter blasterfire, rather than for lightsaber combat.
    In fact since the Sith were believed to be extinct for so long Lightsaber duels actually got a lot rarer for the Jedi, so it is logical that their way of fighting would change accordingly. Obviously Obi-Wan himself has fought Lightsaber Duels over the course of the Movies (and animated series) numerous times though, so you could say he is somewhat of an exception (which goes for Anakin aswell). But his preferred Style is a bit of an indicator on why he might fail to finish Anakin off sometimes (along with the psychological pressure of you know, killing your best friend) and also why he is on the Defensive most of the time.
    Anakin himself uses the fifth of the Lighsaber forms called "Djem So", an aggressive style characterized by powerful attacks like overhead strikes - exactly what we see Anakin do in the Duel (if you pay attention Obi-Wan actually doesn't do those).
    Additionally Anakin is known to be *extremely* gifted with the Lightsaber (and overconfident) so the flourishes and spins make a lot of sense in that context aswell.
    The final thing to consider is that Anakin and Obi-Wan are master and apprentice, which has lead to certain similarities in their fighting styles.
    Bonus Fact: the Lightsaber style *meant* for Dueling, is the one Count Dooku uses (Form 2 Makashi) - one of the reasons why he holds his ground well even when fighting against 2 opponents at the same time
    For more on all of this you can check out Wookieepedia ;)

    • @qui-gone
      @qui-gone 4 года назад

      Well done! :)

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 4 года назад +18

      One interesting thing that I once read (I'm not sure if this is true or not) is that the novelization of Revenge of the Sith explains that Dooku's style, while excellent for duels, has one specific weakness: a complete lack of leverage from the one-handed grip and the nature of lightsabers (all the weight's in the handle) It then says that Anakin's style, due to its emphasis on leverage and heavy strikes that incorporate the Force into the power of the blow, can basically break Dooku's guard positions as a result. Is that true?

    • @scottski02
      @scottski02 4 года назад +10

      @@matthewmuir8884 That novel is a fucking masterpiece. Stover is a genius writer

    • @Jestylor6
      @Jestylor6 4 года назад +10

      Even if that lore was inaccurate based on the story that was being told if I remember correctly Obi Wan didn't really wanna fight him if he could help it but Anakin was becoming more aggressive in his pursuit for power that even without the lore a lot of that would still make sense...

    • @Trisjack20
      @Trisjack20 4 года назад +2

      Absolutely something I have mentioned myself but this is a very nice and quite complete comment. I use this kind of detail to help me enjoy things like these fight scenes more and to help me justify technical details that are a little awry :) Great comment I really liked reading it. Soresu for the win... my style if I ever got to learn I am sure.

  • @Captain_Hapton
    @Captain_Hapton 4 года назад +1366

    If I saw Daisey Ridley coming at me with a sword, I'd feel very safe and just laugh.
    If I saw Hayden Christiansen or Ewan McGregor coming at me with a sword, I'd probably run for my life. That's the big difference.

    • @Te0L0ser
      @Te0L0ser 3 года назад +89

      They’re gonna spin your limbs off

    • @hughjassFrom7YearsAgo
      @hughjassFrom7YearsAgo 3 года назад +177

      Worst of all, ewans somehow is gonan find the high ground

    • @techno639
      @techno639 3 года назад +39

      Swords can kill you, unless you also have one to defend yourself with, Daisy can still easily kill you, or at least Rey can

    • @Mecceldorf
      @Mecceldorf 3 года назад +28

      You would probably be placed in the same room as her and she would look down at her lightsaber and out of character say “ugh, this shit again?”

    • @zain6008
      @zain6008 3 года назад +10

      They'd do a flip and pose so you'd have time to run shed run at you and slash like a real medieval fight which was just comprised of what will kill the quickest and quick thinking, not fancy technique

  • @richardpickman7594
    @richardpickman7594 4 года назад +476

    I could argue that alot of the spins obi wan does was done to see where he was going, since hes walking backwards alot

    • @xrstevenson
      @xrstevenson 4 года назад +34

      Correct

    • @howardlam6181
      @howardlam6181 4 года назад +74

      And turning forward momentum into rotational one so he doesn't need to spend as much energy to block those strikes.

    • @quibily
      @quibily 4 года назад +12

      Nice! That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for pointing that out.

    • @LaneyTheOne
      @LaneyTheOne 4 года назад +33

      You could also argue that Obi Wan didn't take advantage of any openings and striked at the weapon because he didn't actually want to kill Anakin

    • @dpm2937
      @dpm2937 4 года назад +22

      @@howardlam6181 which makes even more sense if you consider that he is using form 3 which is defensive and tries to use as little power as possible

  • @ericgordon342
    @ericgordon342 3 года назад +38

    Keep in mind, Obi Wan believed he could bring Anakin back to the light side, he didnt want to kill him or injure him, most of the fight was a defensive one, trying to prevent Anakin from getting off a killing blow. If Anakin had killed Obi Wan, he would have gone fully to the dark side because he would have had nothing left to bring him back to the light side.

  • @TheAntiTrope
    @TheAntiTrope 4 года назад +188

    Obi-Wan, true master of Soresu, keeps a defensive stance going EVEN while doing flashy spins 🤣, what a boss.

    • @audiosword7221
      @audiosword7221 4 года назад +3

      TheAntiTrope troll master obi-wan man

  • @iphito7539
    @iphito7539 3 года назад +902

    “Anakin, you lost your legs. It’s over now”
    Anakin: “Tis but a scratch.”

  • @theretropanda5612
    @theretropanda5612 4 года назад +592

    You'd probably like Obi-Wan's final duel with Darth Maul in Star Wars Rebels. Tragic yet fantastic.

    • @lvbuckeye
      @lvbuckeye 4 года назад +150

      The best part is how Obi Wan started off the fight in his usual stance, but then switched to Qui Gon's stance in order to bait Maul's attack. Short. Sweet. Devastating. It was brilliant.

    • @samuelhabluetzel7877
      @samuelhabluetzel7877 4 года назад +58

      he’ll turn those 4 seconds into like a 15 minute video

    • @AEWYU
      @AEWYU 4 года назад +18

      Entire thing was like 5 seconds

    • @SoundblasterYT
      @SoundblasterYT 4 года назад +15

      @@AEWYU Under Shad it'll be one hour. (Exaagerated) He does these really in depth.

    • @gub4941
      @gub4941 4 года назад +4

      The Retro Panda one of the only good parts of that show

  • @kalebramirez7327
    @kalebramirez7327 3 года назад +10

    15:51 I think the reason Obi-Wan does that spin is just so he could get a brief glimpse of where he's going. Remember, he hasn't been to Mustafar before, and he's fighting Anakin while being pushed back the entire time, for all he knows Anakin could be pushing him to the edge of the platform and end up throwing him off into the lava, so he does a quick spin to get a little glimpse of how much platform he has left and if there's no obstacles in the way before continuing the fight.

  • @Jon-yo3kg
    @Jon-yo3kg 4 года назад +495

    The high ground comment actually makes sense based on the position that they're in. Obi-Wan is about three or four meters above Anakin, and he doesn't say that he's won. He says that it's over, not because he's won, but because he's in an established defensive position. Anakin would need to jump over lava and into his range and land with good footing, giving Obi-Wan the time to hit him.
    It's over, because it's a stalemate. Anakin can't advance on him without exposing himself, and no competent attacker would commit to that kind of attack.
    And then Anakin decides to go for it anyways, trying to vault over Obi-Wan's defense, but misjudges the jump, or just runs out of gas at the end, allowing Obi-Wan the opening to end the fight.
    So yeah, high ground between two non-force-using humans isn't too much of an advantage, but it's more like Obi is standing on a wall that Anakin need to scale to reach him. Are you then saying that the person on a castle wall is at a disadvantage against someone trying to scale the wall?

    • @shin_eightysix
      @shin_eightysix 4 года назад +30

      And all of it was all a bait. Anakin could've jump much more farther, but it'd make sense that he could only jump right behind Obi-Wan as he's also tired as well, but not his right arm as it is a robotic one. Or Anakin could've just jumped on the ground and continued the duel and tried to outdo Obi-Wan into taking a position with the lava behind him then try to create an opening then kick him down to the lava. But if Obi-Wan can control where he falls, which he can do anyway, he will still lose.

    • @AEWYU
      @AEWYU 4 года назад +2

      Well you see when you say he "ran out of juice" technically isnt possible sure he would have been tired and the reason I say isnt possible is because it takes basicly no energy to channel the force into a jump so he could have jumped further but I think he was getting desperate and hoping that obi was bluffing

    • @Jack-kx5rf
      @Jack-kx5rf 4 года назад +9

      The only reason that Obi-Wan was able to defeat Anakin was that he was in the exact same position as Anakin was when Obi-Wan was when he defeated Darth Maul. The high difference between them was the same. If Obi-Wan hadn't between Maul the way he did he would have lost against Anakin.

    • @nicolasoliveira4903
      @nicolasoliveira4903 4 года назад +24

      @@AEWYU
      If you notice Obi Wan during the jump, he changes his position, Anakin's jump was to reach well above Obi Wan, only Obi Wan took a short jump and positioned himself. Funny no one notices that detail ...

    • @JohnSmith-op3qj
      @JohnSmith-op3qj 4 года назад +15

      Funny thing is, Anakin could've broken the stalemate if only he didn't do a somersault, but instead sharp, low-height and possibly Force-enhanced forward jump towards the lower part of the hill Obi-Wan was standing on. That way he could at least prolong the fight. But well, I guess his emotions and arrogance got the best of him.

  • @LightsCameraAwesome3
    @LightsCameraAwesome3 4 года назад +162

    Movie choreographers "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick"

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios 4 года назад

      Well it worked for Palpatine.
      Oh, and the jumping front flip against the high ground worked for Obi-Wan against Maul.

  • @jonathanballmann7569
    @jonathanballmann7569 4 года назад +52

    Obi Wan's counter grapple at 40:00 really shows his fighting style of playing defense until he has an opportunity to make a strike. That blow would have been savage as heck had Anakin not been able to block it

  • @jacedoran2853
    @jacedoran2853 3 года назад +16

    The reason they do their fun little lightsaber spinning in the middle is because at this point it is showing how each of them understand how the other fights and are so in tuned with their saber form that it shows how truly connected they are

  • @Crusader-tg1wx
    @Crusader-tg1wx 4 года назад +269

    Anakin: “I’ll try spinning! That’s a good trick!”
    Us: “No it isn’t. It’s stupid. Stop.”
    Shad: “Akshually...”
    Edit: About the Luke vs Vader fight... which one? Episode V? Episode VI? Both? Please do both. This series is already off to a great start, and it just means more content for you.

    • @genobreaker1054
      @genobreaker1054 4 года назад +4

      I don't think I ever would have made the connection to that line.... It's beautiful....

    • @thedragonreborn9856
      @thedragonreborn9856 4 года назад +2

      Geno Breaker
      Do you ever intend to evolve into the Genosaurer?? Cool name btw

    • @genobreaker1054
      @genobreaker1054 4 года назад +1

      @@thedragonreborn9856 I.... gurgled at this... 😅
      Thank you for the compliment, but the Geno Breaker IS the evolved Geno Saurer, though some people may prefer the big guns to the claws lol

    • @evilmark443
      @evilmark443 4 года назад +1

      There really isn't much to the episode 6 duel, the focus in that one is the drama between Luke trying to redeem Anakin while Vader and Palpatine are simultaneously trying to turn Luke to the dark side, the fighting itself is entirely secondary in RotJ with frequent and long pauses for dialogue.

  • @bluesphere4860
    @bluesphere4860 4 года назад +213

    I don't want you to be limited to just star wars with these vids, but I'm dying for a qui gon & obi wan vs maul breakdown.

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 года назад +16

      A guy on IMDB forums did one over fourteen years ago, CoryTheLoveGod he was called. It was a really good, long analysis. Showing how Obi-Wan and Qui Gon fight together and how Maul is a very good match for them, but is so aggressive that he gets cocky. Really good analysis, wish I'd saved it.

    • @shin_eightysix
      @shin_eightysix 4 года назад +2

      @@visionist7 I agree. Especially when Maul did the spark thing, he became so cocky that he expected that Obi-Wan will not be able to jump back up. Obi-Wan did take note of that cockiness and managed to pull the trick of catching Darth Maul in surprise and cutting him in half.

    • @AEWYU
      @AEWYU 4 года назад

      YES

  • @stacuu2222
    @stacuu2222 4 года назад +675

    - 4-6 nailed story
    - 1-3 nailed fighting scenes
    - 7-9 nailed killing off childhood dreams and great movie series

    • @xolotltolox7626
      @xolotltolox7626 4 года назад +56

      Nailed it like the Romans

    • @albertschoise8091
      @albertschoise8091 4 года назад +19

      @@xolotltolox7626 Helsing ultimate abridged?

    • @Specter_1125
      @Specter_1125 4 года назад +2

      What if 9 has good fights?

    • @stacuu2222
      @stacuu2222 4 года назад +30

      @@Specter_1125 no it won't

    • @ashley-i3f
      @ashley-i3f 4 года назад +14

      9 hasn't killed our dreams *yet.*

  • @JoelElRican
    @JoelElRican 3 года назад +15

    The "Don't use the Force against a Force user who is as good as you" was established in Episode 2 with Yoda vs. Dooku. I think both Sith and Jedi take a lot of pride in sword fighting. They use the Force to augment their senses and physical strength in a fight, like in Yoda vs. Dooku.

  • @nd35780
    @nd35780 4 года назад +1253

    Shad: THERE'S SO MANY POINTS WHERE OBI-WAN COULD'VE KILLED ANAKIN!
    Everyone else: DIDJA EVER THINK THAT MAYBE THAT WAS THE POINT?!

    • @brakkagboy9208
      @brakkagboy9208 4 года назад +92

      WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING?

    • @thesurvivlist5440
      @thesurvivlist5440 4 года назад +113

      @@brakkagboy9208 WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING AS WELL?

    • @tomekkowal4780
      @tomekkowal4780 4 года назад +95

      WHAT GOING ON ?

    • @brakkagboy9208
      @brakkagboy9208 4 года назад +33

      thesurvivlist EEEEEE

    • @craigbainton4173
      @craigbainton4173 4 года назад +56

      I think he could have equally taken the opportunity to say, stab him in the leg or something. Try and actually stop the fight some how as opposed to just letting him continue to try and murder you

  • @XFanmarX
    @XFanmarX 3 года назад +249

    I like to think that when Obi misses it's because in the story he actually doesn't want to kill Anakin. He's testing Anakin's willpower and hoping he can discourage Ani from fighting further.

    • @legendsfromtherims3708
      @legendsfromtherims3708 3 года назад +18

      My thoughts exactly. That explains perfectly Obiwan's misses and that knowledge makes Anakin more daring in his attacks following his increasing anger.

    • @scraftyme
      @scraftyme 3 года назад +25

      He is also attempting to disarm rather than kill which is why most of his strikes are towards the arm, hand or hilt of anakins lightsaber.

    • @MacrossFaltenmeyer
      @MacrossFaltenmeyer 2 года назад +3

      Yes,Jedi generally want to avoid killing and Ani is his padawan and friend,so yeah

    • @MechaShadowV2
      @MechaShadowV2 2 года назад +2

      heck Obi even told Yoda he couldn't do it. He should have brought Obi with him and defeated Palpy, then deal with Anakin.

  • @tiffanypersaud3518
    @tiffanypersaud3518 3 года назад +399

    "Sorry Ahsoka... reverse grips are dumb." I love Ahsoka and I laughed so hard. Her style look very cool but I always wondered about the practicality of it. Ah, she can have it - she is too believable.

    • @KnightofAntiquity
      @KnightofAntiquity 3 года назад +24

      Tbf reverse grip is good for certain parries that open up a strike with a mainhand.

    • @xilrondo2907
      @xilrondo2907 3 года назад +37

      the reverse grip isn't "generally" practical, but it is practical.
      irl we teach soldiers both methods of holding a knife (reverse and forward) because both are practical and useful in specific circumstances
      give a marine a knife and their first reaction when using it for fighting purposes is to reverse grip it
      the same advantages apply with full length blades, it just comes at the disadvantage of the length makes it much..much easier to cut yourself and it's defensive ability is reduces
      for someone accustomed to their weapon "losing" it doesn't happen, your mind considers it a natural extension of you and you the need to constantly be thinking of it is eliminated, competition shooters and soldiers for instance, after enough time will simply be able to react with their weapon and not think about where there arms are or if the weapon is on point
      and she had/has good reason for using it, namely it's extremely unorthodox, and her style/form relies on extreme aggression to avoid fatigue and ultimately death
      the only people who'd even be somewhat trained to deal with that shit are jedi, sith and Grievious
      one you never fight, one was supposed to be extinct, and who tf thinks about a metal robot with a lightsaber being a thing?
      droids, bounty hunters and criminals are all atleast somewhat familiar with lightsabers and how they're used, you bypass that alltogether with unorthodox means
      people knowing how you fight is and always has been the bane of any fighting force, no matter how effective you are if you're predictable then an enemy will fuck you for that

    • @ghosteen1890
      @ghosteen1890 3 года назад +7

      Using a reverse grip is practical in a defensive position. Much like someone instinctively raises their arm when physically threatened, the reverse grip can react in such a way

    • @ItsNikolai
      @ItsNikolai 3 года назад +4

      Revese grip gives you a solid blunt object to jab with

    • @DuckierGalaxy
      @DuckierGalaxy 3 года назад +15

      I think the fact that Lightsabers are both weightless blades and don’t need momentum to cut removes some of the negative aspects of a reverse grip that you’d have with a sword

  • @TheOriginalMaxGForce
    @TheOriginalMaxGForce 3 года назад +77

    It occurred to me while I was watching your breakdown that these lightsaber fights all have a fatal flaw: The blinding flashes.
    The flashes produced from the lightsabers striking each other would absolutely blind the fighters unless they closed their eyes for a split second.
    Temporary blindness would be a MAJOR obstacle when using these weapons, especially in a dark environment.
    They would need something like welding goggles to protect their eyes.

    • @Griz1231
      @Griz1231 3 года назад +4

      Unfortunately they had to use dowels in the hilts as blades, natural ambient glows or flashes on the actors or terrain, but better effects than the original pre-CGI mattes from the original trilogy.

    • @benjamindupaix6425
      @benjamindupaix6425 3 года назад +3

      I imagine that, considering how long they've had the lightsabers and they've used them against other lightsabers that they'd be more accustomed to the flashes. I could definitely be wrong, but if you're more used to bright flashes, youd be able to recover better from them.

    • @TheOriginalMaxGForce
      @TheOriginalMaxGForce 3 года назад +19

      @@benjamindupaix6425
      Yes, you are definitely wrong. Over time, looking at the extremely bright flashes would cause you to become permanently blind.

    • @pvtblu1613
      @pvtblu1613 3 года назад +20

      Perhaps this is why force users use it the most. The force protects their eyes. Heh.

    • @thedark-lightangel5218
      @thedark-lightangel5218 3 года назад +6

      Instead of goggles perhaps force perception AKA they litterally don't need their eyes they can sense what's happening

  • @jaywalker02
    @jaywalker02 4 года назад +529

    With Anakin telegraphing so much it kinda feeds into his character being over confident with his powers. This fight is also a fight about Anakin's ego.

    • @davidsun3511
      @davidsun3511 4 года назад +64

      From the goal of the duel, Obi Wan was trying defend himself and dissuade Anakin. While Anakin was more eager to kill Obi Wan than to defend himself.

    • @apache9162
      @apache9162 4 года назад

      @@Logan21590 thats not true, anakin didnt want to fight while obi pulled out his saber first

    • @Dunge0n
      @Dunge0n 4 года назад +7

      @@apache9162 In the novel, I think I remember it being a reflexive response to Anakin's "killng intent."

    • @apache9162
      @apache9162 4 года назад +2

      @@Dunge0n No, he clearly didn't want to fight hint at why he kept repeating basically he just wanted him on his side. hence the quote if you're not with me then you're against me. go watch it. anakin was way mroe conflicted then obi so dont play that shit.

    • @Jacob_CG
      @Jacob_CG 4 года назад +1

      @@thiccmilkdaddy8072 Bro, Anakin was trained as a Jedi, he is just overconfident that he is the most powerful being to ever exist

  • @flippedturtle4739
    @flippedturtle4739 3 года назад +255

    You could make an argument that every time Obi-wan struck at Anakin’s lightsaber, he’s trying to disarm him.

    • @spaceonisorceress4406
      @spaceonisorceress4406 3 года назад +81

      The statistical trend of disarmament in Star Wars supports your hypothesis
      oh you meant THAT kind of disarm
      oh

    • @canzuk4673
      @canzuk4673 3 года назад +15

      @@spaceonisorceress4406 Lmao

    • @blazefa.
      @blazefa. 3 года назад +8

      @@spaceonisorceress4406 haha

    • @aidengray3998
      @aidengray3998 3 года назад +10

      @@spaceonisorceress4406 A comedic giant in the flesh. A true honor.

    • @trapperofthecentury5438
      @trapperofthecentury5438 3 года назад +2

      @@tyrellwilson9334 I believe Obi Wan was hesitant to kill Anakin. He wanted to still save him or at least just incapacitate him not kill him.

  • @TheBeastBaseball
    @TheBeastBaseball 4 года назад +117

    37:55 Just love how Obi Wan countered the same grapple move Anakin used to disarm Count Dooku earlier in the film. The subtle continuity in this movie and the prequels are criminally underrated.

    • @SeanLaMontagne
      @SeanLaMontagne 3 года назад +10

      This comment is underrated

    • @AceOfHearts95
      @AceOfHearts95 3 года назад +14

      Dishand*

    • @xavierdestremau5732
      @xavierdestremau5732 3 года назад

      True, but wasn't obi wan napping during that moment?

    • @georgesears934
      @georgesears934 3 года назад +13

      @@xavierdestremau5732 He may have been the one who taught Anakin that maneuver, being his Jedi Master, and was therefor aware of how to counter it even if he didn't see Anakin use it in the field.

    • @xavierdestremau5732
      @xavierdestremau5732 3 года назад +5

      @@georgesears934 oooh that makes sense, thanks for the clearup!

  • @andrejissitt1635
    @andrejissitt1635 2 года назад +9

    The best part about this dual is that all the mistakes make sense with the lore and chemistry between the two characters, so all around it’s perfect

  • @michaelswitzer2121
    @michaelswitzer2121 4 года назад +78

    This must have taken 20 hours to make having to rewatch over and over in slow and take notes then go out and demonstrate in the yard all the moves and finally record all the commentary. Great job

  • @florkiler6242
    @florkiler6242 4 года назад +172

    "now you may assume that there wosynt much to deconstruct here But"
    Shad is clearly a different level species

    • @genobreaker1054
      @genobreaker1054 4 года назад +14

      Shad is a character built using the Epic Level Handbook.

  • @BurrntPurp
    @BurrntPurp 2 года назад +15

    At around 8:40 or so when you analyzed Obi Wan's spin block, I like to think he used it as an opportunity to quickly scan behind him while maintaining guard against Anakin. He was being pushed back pretty hard. I know it was most likely added to be flashy but it's a pretty cool idea in my opinion. Love the content!

  • @Maddog3060
    @Maddog3060 4 года назад +192

    "We're only 9 seconds into this fight scene!"
    EFAP has taught you well, Shad.

    • @Tronous117
      @Tronous117 4 года назад +9

      Let the pausing flow through you Shad

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 4 года назад +23

      "In time, Shad, you will learn to trust your pauses. Then you will be invincible. I have said it many times. You are the most gifted long man I have ever met. I see you are becoming the greatest of all long men, Shad; even longer than Master MauLer."

    • @lordofthepizzapie9319
      @lordofthepizzapie9319 4 года назад +1

      What would Shad's sith name be?
      My vote is on Darth Machilocations.

    • @Maddog3060
      @Maddog3060 4 года назад +1

      @@lordofthepizzapie9319
      Darth Milquetoast. That way they think he's a pushover and next thing they know they have no arms or legs.

    • @scottski02
      @scottski02 4 года назад +1

      "My Length has doubled since the last time we met, Massives."

  • @nobric880
    @nobric880 4 года назад +1141

    “Star Wars doesn’t see many thrusts”
    Me: laughs in Senate

    • @halikarnak1862
      @halikarnak1862 4 года назад +49

      and the senate's granddaughter

    • @ingydegmar2060
      @ingydegmar2060 4 года назад +39

      Have you heard the tragedy of "the senate"?

    • @tommie751
      @tommie751 4 года назад +27

      So it is treason then *ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    • @jinjay354
      @jinjay354 4 года назад +4

      Ingy De Gmar actually I have seen that video

    • @cameroncruz7875
      @cameroncruz7875 4 года назад +13

      *Laughs in Dooku*

  • @jubimagi
    @jubimagi 3 года назад +438

    Once anakin realized that obi wan was holding back and was avoiding killing blows anakin started attacking in ways that exposed himself more to insult obi wan hesitance

    • @chalion8399
      @chalion8399 3 года назад +73

      agreed. Plus, how long were they fighting each other? Stamina affects how effective you are in combat. The longer you fight, the more mistakes you're going to make.

    • @guythatstillusespocketwatc3145
      @guythatstillusespocketwatc3145 3 года назад +20

      @@chalion8399 it's like how in a fist fight you would not pull back a jab as fast as you would if you had a lot of energy. And you would desperately punch and kick to hope to get a hit in

    • @ReksNuadiah
      @ReksNuadiah 3 года назад +11

      @@chalion8399 I'm not too knowledgeable about Star Wars lore but that sounds precisely what Obi-wan's Soresu style is meant for, yes?

    • @Kartissa
      @Kartissa 3 года назад +23

      @@ReksNuadiah Pretty much, yes. It's all about maintaining a solid defence until the opponent makes mistakes due to fatigue or frustration, and is pretty much designed for long battles like this one (as well as defence against blaster fire).

    • @gorcsauce696
      @gorcsauce696 3 года назад +2

      Obiwsn was getting overr run he jus defends

  • @mr.nugget7237
    @mr.nugget7237 2 года назад +12

    Finally someone who doesn't immediately discredit the entire scene just because of one spin

    • @bravosix2960
      @bravosix2960 8 месяцев назад

      @user-bq5np8zb2rThere were nitpicks but he seemed to get over them pretty quickly, towards the end he just cringed so hard at the dialogue that if he couldn’t handle it.

  • @enoktheewok4821
    @enoktheewok4821 4 года назад +125

    The high ground scene... Obi-Wan's line "Don't try it" was him telling Anakin not to try what he did against Darth Maul.

    • @mudd7779
      @mudd7779 4 года назад +12

      Something I noticed from epi 1 and 3 and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed

    • @sharpw9761
      @sharpw9761 4 года назад +3

      Didn’t noticed it the first time about first 3 times bc obi wan was in hanging postion but i figured it out moves the 4th time

    • @mongooseunleashed
      @mongooseunleashed 4 года назад +7

      They mention it in the novels that Anakin did it to prove he was better than Obi Wan by beating him with his own move.

    • @jesusgonzalez6715
      @jesusgonzalez6715 4 года назад +1

      @@mongooseunleashed "It's like poetry, it rhymes". In Twin Suns you can see Obi Wan circling through stances in his duel... It's again a reference to the same duel on Naboo...

  • @jose13neo
    @jose13neo 4 года назад +164

    As a writer myself I say Obi Wan saying "I have failed you" is that he failed as his teacher, he feels like should have done more for Anakin and he is regretful of what is going on shown with how Kenobi at times does not really try to strike his friend. Everything else could have used different wording tbf.

    • @realjoemavro
      @realjoemavro 4 года назад +2

      Good luck with your writing. It sure isn't easy.

    • @voodoodolll
      @voodoodolll 4 года назад +14

      Yeah, I thought it odd that he wasn't able to empathise with the sentiment. It's not like emotions are rational. It's similar to a parent being disappointed in their kid for bullying or stealing; when someone you're responsible for strays, you feel like you should've done more.

    • @MrMarinus18
      @MrMarinus18 4 года назад +3

      I would imagine that if you see a student that you really believed in and poured a lot of time and energy in completely fail in everything you tried to teach you do feel responsible for it. Even if there is nothing you could have done to stop it. Also it's very much like Obi-Wan to lament seeing his pupil fail rather than cast blame his way.

  • @phoenixforce2409
    @phoenixforce2409 4 года назад +130

    The infamous flourish moment makes perfect sense when you watch the entire fight until that point from a psychological stand point. They both know each other's moves and styles very well to the point they were always in sync as a team, and at that moment it is a stalemate. If Obi-Wan went for Anakin's legs, he would give up the advantage and Anakin would punish, and vice versa. They were both seeing who would blink first essentially as neither of them could make a plausible move until Anakin felt the opening and went for a swing only for the exact same thing to happen: A stalemate and Lightsaber clash.

    • @xChibiAstralxX
      @xChibiAstralxX 3 года назад +8

      Like, if someone had a flourish off with me, I'd feel pretty intimidated lmao

    • @jacocristoforo
      @jacocristoforo 3 года назад +6

      In the Revenge of the Sith Novel, they talk about how in these fights, the jedi are thinking multiple moves ahead of the current one. So the "flourish" moment would make sense exactly how you said

    • @xilrondo2907
      @xilrondo2907 3 года назад +1

      ​@@jacocristoforo it wouldn't matter what kind of fight it was, the same shit happens in real wars with the flourishes being troop movements and the like

  • @Codrelan
    @Codrelan 3 года назад +25

    The high ground here actually is an advantage due to the ground being slippery with a bit of a slope and rocks and also due to the fact there is lava behind Anakin.

    • @sebastianpijov8708
      @sebastianpijov8708 2 года назад +4

      And because the only move that Anakin could make to reposition himself, is a jump.