Dufour is building some kind of sailing dreadnoughts ;-) This makes absolutely sense for thos who don´t want to cross the finish line of a regatta as the first one but prefer comfortable and safe cruising! The only thing that always annoys me is the lines that cross the walkway while being led to the aft-winches! Quite dangerous for stumbling! I always wonder why there is no better ... covered ... solution?! A very factual review!!! Thank you, guys! You know how to do it ;-)
Thanks Toby for the tour, very helpful. As an owner of a Dufour 360, this boat is very much an evolution. More sail area is good, and some interesting thinking on sail controls. The 3-cabin version shown is likely to end up on the charter fleets, where the 2 cabin will be much better suited as an "owner's version". And yes, it is expensive as are all new boats these days. And as are all good condition used boats, too.
That's a pleasant surprise: my two favourite testers on the same boat :-) When a boat is supposidely a cruiser, any test starts looking like a caravan test unfortunately but understandably. The Pogo 30 review appeared a lot more exciting therefore. I guess it's me who's confusing sailing with sports. Years will change that :-) Nice boat, even if 260k seems a lot of money for what one does with this type of ship.
I really enjoy your 'tours' Toby. Just one thing that I would find an enhancement would be if you started off with the drawings. Just a quick look would give a better overview / perspective of the rig and hull shape as well as what we are looking at when you go below. :)
I always enjoy watching your reviews Toby. Thanks. One general question. Why does a 35' boat need two steering stations? It's not a boat that's made for a very rich man. Couldn't you cut the price with one wheel?
So you lift a floor board and we see some water under. Which you don't mention? And it's essential cause there's no bilge essentially to capture. Or am i missing something?)
finally a non-screwed floor even in a large series production boat. I think that upwind it is not very efficient. that type of hull design needs lightness to work
Thanks Toby, awesome review as always. Question I would like to ask, & in your a opinion & she is classed as an A category sailing vessel, do you think she is capable of sailing blue water, around the world?
So you have to pay to moor a 37ft but you actually get a 33ft. This makes a lot of difference in the UK. This is something that the yacht manufacturers need to look at
You would pay for 35’ since that’s the LOA. Dufour 37 is just the name, albeit a terrible choice of a name on their part. Picking a random number seems odd.
@@Alex-us2vw Maybe this is just a UK thing but in places, the harbour master will actually come and measure your boat to make sure they can get as much money as possible. Not why the yacht manufacturers feel the need to put the length in the name
Thank you for the review! This piggy Bavaria bug has apparently infected also Dufour... Boats are getting so fatty nowadays. Looks too high and with increasingly rectangular proportions, so much so that, probably its body alone would server as a sail. Just that you could not control the direction of sailing. I would not want to get caught in this boat in heavy winds... All that explains a dingy garage on a 33feet...
Bewildering how the ingenuity applied to small yacht interiors never translates into the larger vessels. This one could be awesome with another 15 / 20 feet LOA However, they'd probably waste the extra volume with huge built-in furniture etc.
Mast forward more space back. Also forward sails on winds up to 20kt are now code 0 and genaker so no need for large fix head sails unless close reaching.
@@kisero2222 Why dont we see more two masted schooners so that there are smaller sails individually but bigger sail areas overall? And pushing the booms higher?
@@chasx7062 I don't see the benefit of a ketch, let alone a schooner, on such a small boat. It would just add cost and take up useful deck space. Even Amel moved from ketch to sloop on their latest 50' and 60' to allow for a more modern (spacious) layout.
@@Marco81323 With Two Masts you strengthen BOTH mast supports since they keep each other UP? With 2x masts you can make smaller sails, which are more controllable? allowing you to have larger OVERALL sail area?
@@chasx7062 I don't understand if those are statements or questions, but I'm happy to reply. First of all, most if not all modern ketches are over 70 feet long, because you need deck space to place a second mast without compromising livability. Also on a modern 30-35' cruising boat the main sail is usually not that hard to manage, so a two-mast rig adds more complications than benefits. Secondly, more sail area doesn't translate into more performance, especially upwind since the main creates turbulence that reduces the lift generated by the mizzen. Generally speaking a second mast means additional manufacturing cost, which turns into a higher price tag and obviously a higher cost of ownership to maintain the extra rigging components.
I wholeheartedly appreciate the many improvements made in yacht design in the last ten years or so but the big windows on the hull sides are poorly configured and not attractive.
Yes having the freedom to spend weeks cruising means no commitments which generally means less capital. But a lovely boat even just for the weekends though.
Yes from the Harbour to the the next beach having a nice barbecue, spend a night and back. With a nice weather and a little more wind for two or three hours for excitment .
cruising boat, or floatable appartment?? ... chart table is not important anymore?? locker for sheets and marine gear?? but who the hell wants to sail nowadays...
Gear lockers are a must but I personally wouldn’t care so much about a chart table. Nowadays, most people rely on a chart plotter / GPS, and don’t *really* need a dedicated chart table for that purpose. You’ll take your charts out once or twice a day; or maybe your laptop to download weather maps. Of course it’s nice to have a chart table, but at this size it makes sense to maximize other space. (For what it’s worth, I grew up sailing and navigating before GPS, and I think it’s important to have those skills when electronics fail. But in those circumstances, I don’t mind turning the dining table into a temporary chart table.)
No access to the chain locker from deck? Seriously? - Who else has experience that the chain piles up? - I do, and then I most definitely don’t want to fix that from the “master cabin”. Toby, generally like your style, but lately you miss to point out shortcomings; it looks too much of a promo vid.
Decent boat, stupid price. For 300k Euros I'd be looking for something a couple years old in the second market and would find more boat and more functionality with better quality. Shame
Thanks for including the price.👍🏼
Very interesting arrangements for the genoa (2:49) and main (3:45) sheets. Worth thinking about how they could be retrofitted to an older boat.
Dufour is building some kind of sailing dreadnoughts ;-) This makes absolutely sense for thos who don´t want to cross the finish line of a regatta as the first one but prefer comfortable and safe cruising!
The only thing that always annoys me is the lines that cross the walkway while being led to the aft-winches! Quite dangerous for stumbling! I always wonder why there is no better ... covered ... solution?!
A very factual review!!! Thank you, guys! You know how to do it ;-)
Thanks Toby for the tour, very helpful.
As an owner of a Dufour 360, this boat is very much an evolution. More sail area is good, and some interesting thinking on sail controls.
The 3-cabin version shown is likely to end up on the charter fleets, where the 2 cabin will be much better suited as an "owner's version".
And yes, it is expensive as are all new boats these days. And as are all good condition used boats, too.
That's a pleasant surprise: my two favourite testers on the same boat :-) When a boat is supposidely a cruiser, any test starts looking like a caravan test unfortunately but understandably. The Pogo 30 review appeared a lot more exciting therefore. I guess it's me who's confusing sailing with sports. Years will change that :-) Nice boat, even if 260k seems a lot of money for what one does with this type of ship.
I really enjoy your 'tours' Toby. Just one thing that I would find an enhancement would be if you started off with the drawings. Just a quick look would give a better overview / perspective of the rig and hull shape as well as what we are looking at when you go below. :)
Good suggestion thanks Gil
Great tour of this boat,thanks Toby
I always enjoy watching your reviews Toby. Thanks.
One general question. Why does a 35' boat need two steering stations? It's not a boat that's made for a very rich man. Couldn't you cut the price with one wheel?
So you lift a floor board and we see some water under. Which you don't mention? And it's essential cause there's no bilge essentially to capture. Or am i missing something?)
He's not kidding about that shallow bilge!
Most have a sump in the top of the keel
Interesting non-slip used on the deck. Does anyone know what Dufour has used?
Looks nice, thanks.
When I send the children (and maybe my wife) away, this boat would be ideal for me
It looks high quality and they used the space well
Just divorce your wife she's useless anyway.
@@derkjh No, she still cooks well
finally a non-screwed floor even in a large series production boat.
I think that upwind it is not very efficient.
that type of hull design needs lightness to work
/ i can see myself sailing this as a bachelor's yacht. ⛵
I really wanted a review of this boat. Thanks, Toby )
You're welcome!
Thanks Toby, awesome review as always. Question I would like to ask, & in your a opinion & she is classed as an A category sailing vessel, do you think she is capable of sailing blue water, around the world?
So you have to pay to moor a 37ft but you actually get a 33ft. This makes a lot of difference in the UK. This is something that the yacht manufacturers need to look at
You would pay for 35’ since that’s the LOA. Dufour 37 is just the name, albeit a terrible choice of a name on their part. Picking a random number seems odd.
@@Alex-us2vw Maybe this is just a UK thing but in places, the harbour master will actually come and measure your boat to make sure they can get as much money as possible. Not why the yacht manufacturers feel the need to put the length in the name
Wehen you pay for a 37ft boat but it is only 34ft…..
How can I call it a 37 footer when it’s only 33? That’s crazy I understand if they’re off by 68 or even 10 inches, but 4 feet?
Thank you for the review! This piggy Bavaria bug has apparently infected also Dufour... Boats are getting so fatty nowadays. Looks too high and with increasingly rectangular proportions, so much so that, probably its body alone would server as a sail. Just that you could not control the direction of sailing. I would not want to get caught in this boat in heavy winds... All that explains a dingy garage on a 33feet...
hanse 320-2008 forever !
Bewildering how the ingenuity applied to small yacht interiors never translates into the larger vessels. This one could be awesome with another 15 / 20 feet LOA However, they'd probably waste the extra volume with huge built-in furniture etc.
And...on any given day, I would instead go for an Azuree 33, or even for an Azuree 46 for almost at the same price of this D-37.
9:52 Uh oh.
hope it is not salty!
❤Just Wow🌹
I'm seeing prices on this thing from US$165k to US$400k. I wonder what it actually costs.
The one they were sailing was 260€ incl VAT I think 165 is the base prise ex VAT.
Insane prices for this size
Too much
@@lorenzgasztner4662 hanse 320-2008 forever (+- € 50k) !
What's the music at the end ?
What is a tardis?
A fictional spaceship that is tiny on the outside but huge space on the inside.
why is the mainsail smaller than the headsails now?
Mast forward more space back. Also forward sails on winds up to 20kt are now code 0 and genaker so no need for large fix head sails unless close reaching.
@@kisero2222 Why dont we see more two masted schooners so that there are smaller sails individually but bigger sail areas overall? And pushing the booms higher?
@@chasx7062 I don't see the benefit of a ketch, let alone a schooner, on such a small boat. It would just add cost and take up useful deck space. Even Amel moved from ketch to sloop on their latest 50' and 60' to allow for a more modern (spacious) layout.
@@Marco81323 With Two Masts you strengthen BOTH mast supports since they keep each other UP? With 2x masts you can make smaller sails, which are more controllable? allowing you to have larger OVERALL sail area?
@@chasx7062 I don't understand if those are statements or questions, but I'm happy to reply. First of all, most if not all modern ketches are over 70 feet long, because you need deck space to place a second mast without compromising livability. Also on a modern 30-35' cruising boat the main sail is usually not that hard to manage, so a two-mast rig adds more complications than benefits. Secondly, more sail area doesn't translate into more performance, especially upwind since the main creates turbulence that reduces the lift generated by the mizzen. Generally speaking a second mast means additional manufacturing cost, which turns into a higher price tag and obviously a higher cost of ownership to maintain the extra rigging components.
I wholeheartedly appreciate the many improvements made in yacht design in the last ten years or so but the big windows on the hull sides are poorly configured and not attractive.
Thats what Im looking for!
Yes having the freedom to spend weeks cruising means no commitments which generally means less capital. But a lovely boat even just for the weekends though.
??
This is not a cruising boat.
Why not?
Agree.
Yes from the Harbour to the the next beach having a nice barbecue, spend a night and back. With a nice weather and a little more wind for two or three hours for excitment .
cruising boat, or floatable appartment?? ... chart table is not important anymore?? locker for sheets and marine gear?? but who the hell wants to sail nowadays...
Gear lockers are a must but I personally wouldn’t care so much about a chart table. Nowadays, most people rely on a chart plotter / GPS, and don’t *really* need a dedicated chart table for that purpose. You’ll take your charts out once or twice a day; or maybe your laptop to download weather maps. Of course it’s nice to have a chart table, but at this size it makes sense to maximize other space.
(For what it’s worth, I grew up sailing and navigating before GPS, and I think it’s important to have those skills when electronics fail. But in those circumstances, I don’t mind turning the dining table into a temporary chart table.)
2 cabin version would be best , Gives extra gear space BUT they still dont have built in sheet lockers ?
No need for 2 wheels on a boat of this size
No access to the chain locker from deck? Seriously? - Who else has experience that the chain piles up? - I do, and then I most definitely don’t want to fix that from the “master cabin”.
Toby, generally like your style, but lately you miss to point out shortcomings; it looks too much of a promo vid.
T'was only a brief sail and chance for a quick tour not a full video review Stefan
Decent boat, stupid price. For 300k Euros I'd be looking for something a couple years old in the second market and would find more boat and more functionality with better quality. Shame
Sailing shoe box ……. No sex appeal 😂
300k for the iron😂