@@TomaszSliwa-my3ty Charisma on Command is a youtube channel that helped me with communication. It breaks down body language and communication in a way that should help autistic people. Watch some videos and try to apply them to your life!
@@TomaszSliwa-my3tystudy humor and you’ll find the answer I did that so some extent as well and it works way better than one might expect Art is also something that can be systemized and by logical humor must also be systematizeable
Hey now that... is actually a pretty good idea. I know a young bloke who is on the spectrum and doing an apprenticeship in a machine shop. He's a very skilled machinist, but is struggling with the social aspect of an industrial environment (despite the guys being pretty nice compared to when I was young). I'm gonna suggest he attacks the situation like that, because he says he often thinks of comebacks and banter, but gets overwhelmed in the moment, overthinks it and misses the opportunity to fire back. I bet if he has a kind of set of categories to file away in his head, to quickly analyse the banter at hand, he'll be able to come back with some deadly clever quips and that is how you get the respect from the boys on the factory floor. He just needs a strategy for confidence and he'll be fine. But I hadn't considered that approach before.
There's a difference between not having social skills and not wanting to be around people. I've never had an issue socializing, the problem is the i don't enjoy most conversations and i like very few people i meet. I am very selective and keep a small circle of close friends and family. It gives me peace, joy, and fulfillment. There have been times I've intentionally pissed people off because i didn't like them. The average interaction is boring.
So much this. The chances of having a stimulating conversation with someone you just 'randomly' meet - is almost nil. In 42 years of life; I have learned that it's not only much easier - but it's far more gratifying, to keep my circle intentionally small. When someone does happen to come along that warrants spending the emotional energy required to engage with them, and I feel that the exchange is reciprocal, then I take no issue doing so, and it almost always proves worth the expenditure. I'm abrasive by nature; but that's by design.
I'm one of these very intelligent people and I've been saying the exact same thing for years: there's a positive correlation between social skills and IQ, not a negative one. And I've said the exact same thing Dr. Peterson says here regarding people really, really wanting to believe that the intelligent must lack in some other way, which is simply not the typical case. My family, from childhood to the present day, has tried to say I "only have book smarts and lack street smarts," whatever that means, even after I spent four years homeless and thrived! I don't know how one lives on the streets for four years and yet lacks street smarts, but that's what they try to convince themselves of in their insecure moments. Another ubiquitous, yet understandable, phenomenon I see is people calling the highly intelligent arrogant, even in cases where it's completely undeserved, such as when they inadvertently demonstrate a wide vocabulary or use a technical term. A lot of high IQ people report a pervasive impulse to mask their intelligence in every way when socializing because of this phenomenon. To me, it's really clear that the problem is, more typically, the insecure egos of average people, not of the highly intelligent, but of course no one wants to hear that! Speaking for myself, my social ills are not due to a lack of skill, but from a cynical view of the value of social interaction. "A high degree of intellect tends to make a man unsocial" as Schopenhauer says in his essay, "The Wisdom of Life." I think I've simply been conditioned throughout my life to regard it as not much of a gain for me. I wind up spending far more emotional energy than I gain talking to most people. As radically cynical as he is regarding people he calls vulgar, I don't think Schopenhauer's assessment of the moral state of the average person to be that far from the truth. He defines vulgarity in that same essay as being a consciousness in a state whereby the intellect is completely subordinated to the will, which is to say, a vulgar person is one for whom their intellectual power, great or small as it may be, is completely aimed at their self-interest rather that the timeless, universal, transcendent general principles (Platonic Forms). And this seems incredibly accurate to me. This is the state of most people.
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who cheated on me while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she died in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years. It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer.
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who cheated on me while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she passed away in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years. It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer.
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who was unfaithful while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she left us in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years. It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer. (btw, big middle finger to YT for forcing me to use euphemisms just to get a message through)
I hate this idea, because I knew I was intelligent and it made me never focus on my social skills because I tough I was supposed to be bad at it, but then I gave it a go. And with time I became better at social skills. A decade later I'm not that socially awkward nerd anymore, I even learned how to be a businessman. You really can systematize everything, even social skills. It wasn't even that hard, it only required a bit of observation, a change of focus.
I don't like interacting with people in the form of small talk, as I find it boring. However, I love to psychoanalyze people and figure out what makes them tick.
Hi Anawatson! I love psychoanalysis myself! I've somehow gotten to the point where I don't mind "small talk" *too* much, though I'll always prefer deep and inspirational conversations! 🙂
“I” don’t like small talk, it bores “ME”. “I” prefer to psychoanalyze people for “MY” own enjoyment. First of all, that’s weird. Engaging with people to analyze them is weirdo behavior. You should simply interact with others to get to know them as they are, and form a bond, whether temporary or more permanent. That’s how you build social fluency, and create a social circle. Second, I highlighted your use of personal language. You are approaching conversation as a means to serve you, and if it doesnt, it isn’t worth your time and effort. This is WRONG, and probably comes off in your interactions. small talk is a buffer, to build subtle rapport with another individual, simply to see if you vibe alright. A LOT can be deciphered from small talk, so it’s surprising you say that you “love to psychoanalyze people” yet “hate small talk”. How hard is it to comment on the present moment, or let out a simple joke? Or just to smile at someone and ask a simple question that you probably already know the answer to. The point is to interact with others and to help them feel comfortable with you. What you said tells me that you’re completely unaware of how to socialize, or that you think you’re “too smart” for small talk, which is arrogance.
@spaceguy.x Many people dont like small talk. Small talk is a good skill to have. If you are talking about a subject that is related to a hobby that is small talk that most people enjoy. If you are talking about the weather that is small talk that is just filler. Enless it spring boards into a discussion of Meteorology or a person's joint problems relating to wether. It depends on the situation. Talking about celebrities personal lives is small talk that I dont engage in. But movie and tv show discussion I will happily engage. Also discussing the wether is good when making plans. Like I said it depends.
I lack social skills because I'm simply not interested in people. I'm interested in things, concepts, building something from nothing, deconstructing, rebuilding, perfecting. If it's not connected to what resonates with me, social interaction feels meaningless and empty.
Plenty of bright people enjoy doing and talking about exactly the things you like to do. Those people will NOT enjoy talking about how many beers they can chug, who they can beat up, and how many girls they've raped. Plenty of people out there like you, but you might find them working for Intel or NASA or SpaceX and you will NOT find them at a fucking bar or nightclub.
For me personally, part of this is both the expenditure and reciprocation (or lack thereof) of emotional energy; and my inability to produce even a modicum of interest for 'small talk'. I genuinely do not understand what people get out of comparing trivial and inconsequential tidbits regarding their personal life. No, I don't care about the price of gas at your local gas station. No, I don't care that it rained yesterday, and No, I don't care about the personal item you found on sale at your local Wal-Mart.
I am personally experiencing the collapse of all meaning. I can't think of any reason to believe or do anything. I'm not unhappy, I just don't have many desires left.
@@onedangerousmanreactsare you physically fit & good at fighting? Start there while at your peak physical capacity & you’ll learn more philosophy & meaning by side effect alone than an entire life of study. Jiujitsu is where to start.
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The real question is how does the brain change in neurodivergent people? If somebody is ADHD or autistic, does that mean that only a part of their brain is highly developed while other parts are underdeveloped? Also, how does trauma influence this?
Prof. Ed Dutton talks about genius being a combination of outlier high IQ, high openness, low agreeableness, and low conscientiousness. I don't think conscientiousness should be as thoroughly tested for as it is. In fact, I might argue that the current, sad state of universities is largely due to the screening for high agreeableness and conscientiousness, which combined sounds like the personality of a bootlicker or midwit, and because of high cognitive ability they're better at doing just that. Universities should show higher favor toward low agreeableness and low conscientiousness because these are the types of folks willing to rock the boat and push true advancements. It's also a benefit to society to do so because there are a LOT of very high IQ, low agreeableness, low conscientiousness men who are feeling quite disenfranchised and adrift in the current system, and that personality type is already a recipe for being iconoclastic and rebellious. When really smart, genius-type people are feeling disenfranchised then society is setting itself up for them to cause trouble.
@@Elitist2 I just told you. Low conscientiousness is part of the personality profile of geniuses. Low conscientiousness people often invent new things because they are looking for an easier way to do things.
@@saintsword23 High level innovation often requires the original synthesis of knowledge from past constructs transmuted into new forms. Something difficult and requiring effort even for smart people.
@@minuteofcan but the question was: are socially akward people the intelligent ones? And the answer Is no. They can, they could, but their awkwarness is not required
I am 53 years of age and I consider myself a nerd and I don't lack any social skills, but when I talk to people, it seems they are struggling with something in their lives and whe I ask them what they are doing to work on the struggle or struggles they have in their lives, they usually say, "I don't know" or "I am not really sure" or some statement that tells me that they have not been working on themselves or anything in their lives and are so fixated on what other people think and not focusing on self-improvement.
That's lacking social skills..if you can only talk about something that's only interesting to you or something that only you can understand... isn't it?
@@contritefiendI think you’re right , if you can’t make small talks, start a conversation keep it going and make it interesting because of the way you present it than in my opinion you lack social skills , and there is many other things like being funny know how to tell a story etc…
The awkward label is often levelled at people that the average person finds difficult to connect with. That has nothing to do with the target of their attention and everything to do with themselves. It's awkward because they find you uninteresting and you think they shouldn't.
@@MrHanderson91it's pretty obvious when someone is above average, they tend to find the most efficient way to get jobs done and are able to tacitly lead a team without being crowned team leader or equivalent title. They also normally are able to apply esoteric knowledge to mundane tasks in order to achieve the above.
there is a difference between having a high inter-personal skill and having high social skill/charishma. i have never seen a brilliant mind that has terrible interpersonal skill aka great coversationist aka great 1to1 or talking to small groupsm but i have seen lots of them acting odd and awkward when they crowd is not a small group rather consists of few dozens.
I am afraid, they are human-made, at least human-edited. No text-to-speech tool would insert unspoken words in his real clear pronunciation, like transforming "expert" into "expert PHD".
I met a girl in my hometown and she was very far from the nerd stereotype and I discovered her IQ to be 166... from then onwards, my vision of my ego and the intelligence realm among other things was very hard for me to handle
@@Cookieface Well, partIy but not entirely. I had already fallen in love with her before knowing that information, so when I knew that, it smashed my ego since intelligence is probably the thing I have always idealized more and at the same time I fell in love more ''brutally'' cause I found her more unreachable and it was even worse because I didn't expect it because of not having the stereotype, which made me think she was even more unique. Handling infatuation and knowing that 166 thing even just separately wasn't easy at all so let alone both at the same time. It was really hard but helped me to not give that much importance to intelligence
I systematized my every social interaction based on error and feedback, and later on research on psychology and books and tips. How to be a good friend, how to talk to people, how to be a good partner. I thought I just wanted to be a good person, but then I realized people often don’t think about these things as much… but I think I do it well, people often say they like talking to me (random people), I just normally don’t know how to keep friends lol
First off - I LOVE Jordan Peterson, I Am an INTJ ~ once after I had figured that our everything made sense to me. Psychology, Sociology and behavior is very very interesting indeed now. It's so dynamic I also believe partly that we will never accurately be able to just make a behavior template on a person since nothing is static it's fluid and people also evolve and it's important to grow as a person I think this is achieved in not only just one way but many. I Certainly love to hear what Jordan says and his opinions and knowledge on these matters so interesting.
IQ does play a huge behind the scenes role in the world, but i wouldn't be a good idea to rank people. Every job for example requires some intellectual ablity. You can however brute for your way simply by getting advice and not giving up. If someone learns they have an iq of say 90 they might give up because other people are smarter. The idea that player x is better than me because of this test, so i cant win in a highly competitive environment could be very bad for moral.
Besides hard work and iq I think mental health is very important. You can have a very high iq but if you're depressed or/and have anxiety you're probably not going to achieve much . Also courage .If you lack courage again you're not going to achieve much. Having a high iq is very good but there are so many things that can restrict it significantly.
I have always been puzzled with my abilities and deficits. It's hard to relate to people. Hard to keep up with conversations especially with difficult material. And yet I seem to be able to solve relatively large problems given enough time. Engineering school was hard but I did very well. So in some ways I feel well below average and in other ways I feel above average. I fit the general stereotype well but I don't think my IQ is extraordinary, just a bit above average.
With some people it's natrual to communicate others are closed minded .... Real intelligent people are swimming in their own mind ...so when someone comes up to them out of nowhere and starts a conversation....you respond back .... but what they don't understand is they interrupted you ....cause you were deep into thinking about other things ....
Very interesting. Me? Being a nerd in puberty, my social skills/canniness was not great at all, rather lacking. (In retrospect, just intense and pointless insecurity.) Had to learn them as I went, luckily my confidence level grew as I learned them and as my environment changed. The Big Bang Theory - never was interested in it. A silly parody, as real scientists, nerds or not, are very different, and much more complex, than that show or any television show on network TV, could ever dramatize. (And I doubt there is an audience base large enough to make such a show profitable.)
You can socialise in one to ones or small groups within your approximate tribe of 150. The ripples spread then according to the 5/6 degrees of Separation Theory/Practice. A real Leader will not be a megalomaniac and burn off their soul/psyche, Dr. Peterson has taught us.
I love nerds! The problem I run into is an example from Futurama, Nerd* "Bring on the ladies!" Leela* "I'm a woman if that's what you mean. Let me get this straight I am looking for a man and have no time for games." Nerd* "A woman, I'm scared."
It's called jealousy, everyone would be uncomfortable interacting with haters. There is a video of mark zuckeberg, before he became rich and famous. He is a totally normal guy. People intentionally made the situation awkward for him, to make him look bad on videos.
Systematization of the never ending attempt to classify and standardizie people to put them in boxes? What's the purpose?What will happen to those who are so unique that do not fall into any of those categories? Should we resort to Procrustean methods?
most people survive by being socially accepted... there are a few who don't the average probably aren't being mean. If they learned to imitate social rules, and these rules are very important to them, then shouldn't that awkward guy in the corner care too? Some people make the rules some people follow them. No big deal. the average kids will be working for a paycheck. Being picked on by the average kids is maybe the best indicator of future success?
The Big Bang was simple enough to understand but had set-dressing they couldn’t understand written by physicists. It made their personal intellectual shortcomings relatable in a sense. “If I can understand this show I must be pretty smart too” Mass appeal. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It could serve as inspiration to a lot of youngsters to solve those equations on the board. Get it? Good Will Hunting?
I feel you on the 5 but boxes exist to constrain and restrict. I’m talking personal growth tho. Not mass standardization like iq tests. I don’t think I’ve ever even taken one of those. It’s so arbitrary imho. Like, who care what the number on the scale says? Well, a doctor monitoring your weight loss. Should you care what the scale says while doing what you’re supposed to be doing? If so, why? What are you comparing the number to?progress? Progress of what? Your weight loss? Why? It’s a loop, feel me?
Nah, intelligence is a skill, similar to athleticism; you have natural ability, but you can train it. Training it doesn't make you less empathetic, being empathetic is why I'm considered socially intelligent for an autistic person. You can learn to read a room, just like how you can learn to fix a car or write a novel.
@@Jacob-kb8hf I didn't say that, maybe read my whole comment next time before you resort to a rather idiotic rhetorical question. I'll admit, you're terrible argument is giving me doubts to intelligence being a trainable skill. Clearly not for you.
I am convinced that we need to expand our understanding of social skills. The term social skills must be subdivide into all the different types of personalities. The majority of humans, especially humans today are just incredibly stupid, boring, rude, aggressive, selfish, narcissistic, and simplistic For only people of those same type are considered to have good social skills However, if you are more inclined to be intelligent, civilized, thoughtful, caring, and so forth then you have a different belief in social skills. Different beliefs in the way people interact with each other and communicate Therefore, it is not so much social skills not having social skills. What we are really talking about is a common group think in the way a particular personality perceives the world believes in relationships enjoy spending their time and especially how they communicate The majority of people have this complex culture of nonverbal, communication code phrases, and hidden agendas. And beyond that most of them are incredibly selfish rude, and do not have much intellectual depth That is why intelligent civilize people do not communicate the same same way nor do they want to However, when you put intelligent, thoughtful, creative, spiritual people in the same room, they automatically know how to talk to each other. It is very natural and the social skills aren’t even skills anymore as they are natural to everyone We must therefore redefine the term social skills to be subdivided into personality groups
I think I am fairly smart, I just lack conscientiousness. I have good social skills, just lack the will to leverage them with my smarts. I feel like a v8 that is not secured in the engine compartment.
I require my executive team to factor *Emotional Intelligence* into the calculation when evaluating candidates for leadership roles. I define this as filtering for folks who are adept at expressing, and handling, contentious issues clinically. After watching this vid I am wondering if, for the purpose stated, there is a better term for Emotional Intelligence. I suppose I could use *conscientiousness* but I feel that word is not as well understood. I welcome suggestions.
The show Big Bang Theory and the show Bones were out at the same time and both portrayed a character that was genius level, both characters lacked basic social skills and did not understand social norms. They were both extremely dislikable. It was as if they had no brain power left over for pleasantness, or compassion for those not as smart as them. They seem 'mean' and dismissive, they come off as pricks. If I had met them - someone like them - I would have dismissed them as arrogant snobs.
They learned how to treat others by being treated with innate hostility themselves. The world has literally taught them that this is what "normal" behaviour is when there is a cognitive mismatch. Constantly depriving you of social nutrition while forcing the sound of nails on a chalkboard into your ears any time I'm near you would likely be a different experience than the average person has with the average person.
Some highly intelligent people never meet the requirements to join Harvard for example. High IQ is rarely sufficient (although it is usually necessary)?
IQ isn't about cognition, which is just behavior. It's about knowledge (an ability to apply what you know to what you see). It's dumb that you can "boost" your IQ just by prep'ing for an IQ test.
What I understand is that you can work for a high grade even though you are a shining example of mediocrity. To get a high IQ-score on an IQ-test requires innate ability you are born with and cannot be acquired through any means of study. It is obvious that grades measure a combination of Industriousness and IQ. Add the fact that different schools produce different exams with different difficulty for the same course also adds to the demise of the premise that grades = IQ.
I'm perceived as 'awkward' probably because I'm just not interested in usual day-to-day conversation topics. I'm usually contemplating something new or international politics or a number of things more interesting than the person in front of me who I have to waste time on.
Not everybody can become an astronaut. And without social skills they wouldn't even make a day of living inside ISS. Consider how many fears they overwin. Over and over again. And pain. Well, you ready for that?
I see that a lot of intelligent people are also increasingly prone to motivational thinking if the are trained to do one highly complicated topic. Generally its not a bad thing but in a buisness environment a highly intelligent person disproportinately prone to motivational thinking at the executive level often causes founders syndrom. Functionally the buisness cannot scale because how you systemitize scalability is by not standardizing the expectation of skill on a labor pool around the primary expert. I am hired to scale manufacturing in biotech down to brand new facilities. There are many political interests which shift dramatically throughout a buisness life cycle. Convincing an expert of an iq of 170 at the executive level that their floor needs to cater to different lifestyles and perspectives that are so narrow they cant comprehend it so things/systems/people are modular and replicable is like pulling teeth. Too some extent i think extremely high iq comes at the cost of the ability to understand how expectations scale because they cannot actually simulate how others percieve things in general. Not that you need to to grasp the significance of the limitation. I also have difficulty understanding people exactly but i have techniques for emperically deriving the effectiveness of my systems as they scale. Its important for scope identification and mitigating system wide scope creep which has been in my experience the biggest killer of buisnesses if they start to get past investor phase and into market phase. I think high iq people understand consequences so well they stop being able to understand or work with perspectives that lack the ability/experience to make those calculations.
I feel like Prof. Peterson confuses here "potentinal EQ" and "achieved EQ". It's quite obvious that higher IQ results in a higher Potential EQ. But it can easily lead to a lower EQ if the person, due to their intellegence, gets into natural science and is highly focuses on dealing with things or even abstract concepts, not people. Another random reason - high IQ means more money and more money you have less EQ you need to get from people when you want.
I would actually put forward the idea that the higher your IQ, the higher your potential EQ the less you feel inclined to bother with the least interesting species on the planet. Once you've figured out the majority are emotionally knee-jerking their way through life and will seek personal advantage through interpersonal connections you pretty much decide to have very few interpersonal connections. There is no net gain to you only potential net losses.
@@Clara-c5q7j EQ is not about "figuring out" people, IQ is. EQ is about an ability to emotionally connect with people, empathy. The higher your EQ the more interesting humans will feel for you.
We starting to get somewhere now. Very nice. What’s judgmental about facts? Nothing. They just are. It’s objectivity vs subjectivity. Aka ppl are gonna see what they want to see. Why do they want to see anything specific? Does it possibly relate to their own predicaments? Looking for answers? You can’t find some answers in a book. That stomach drop heart beat might be your body giving you the answer you seek. Seek and you shall find You already know the answers. Deeply
I just mentioned 😂😂 have you seen ever student can said my teacher is smart but awkward!????? And people admire him !????? The same situation here ! If you admit he is smarter ! How you evaluate him !??
(I'm a man borrowing my wife's account) I am a man with high functioning autism. Most people agree that I have genius level intelligence and exceptional language functioning. However, I don't really know how high my functioning is in non-language based fields such as math, science, etc. I grew up loving the concepts of math and science but never went to school (I was a child laborer) and discovered they were my weakest subjects when I began college as an adult. I seem to have very high logic abilities but I don't feel like I was ever really good at math. Even so, I don't actually know because I have very little information about how good others are at math and thus don't know what standard to evaluate myself by. Most people around me have said I am good at math--and yet I am not convinced. It is possible I am not confident in my mathematical abilities because they have not been sufficiently proven or because I simply lack the education necessary to fully use them. Likewise, my social abilities may also be underdeveloped due to lack of opportunities in addition to the autism itself.
I’m sorry but this line of reasoning makes no sense. Don’t go to a school if you barely got in? Where’s the bottom then? There’s always going to be capacity constraints. So there’s always going to be that bottom third. Flip it. You want high standards so everyone accepted barely gets in, so to speak. Don’t discount work ethic and determination. It’s how they got into Harvard in the first place (before all this weird stuff but you know what I mean)
Be systematic with me here... If systematizing is correlated with high intelligence And autism is an extreme case of systematizing Then why the hell is "neurodivergence" considered a disorder? It's almost like that label is just majority normies coping by pathologizing something they don't understand.
I think this nerdiness associated with high intelligence might be somewhat cultural I see how Americans look at engineers, as nerds, even engineers think of themselves as nerds I'm a mechanical engineer from Venezuela, in my college years I knew many people, from my school and many others Most engineering students I knew were highly socially skillful, many where party animals even I may have known 3 or 4 really nerdy students, and they aren't the best engineers I know, not even close
Same in my own 3rd world brown country, if you are not a nerd or bad at school/college , you are not considered cool and looked down upon considered low status. you can be from a rich family good looking and still be considered uncool compared to someone else who is economically challenged but excels academically and shows future potential etc. if anything jocks are considered uncool andoften correalted to being losers. it is funny here those who excel academically, shine socially as well. Be it dating game attractiveness or whatever but even then, if you are EXTREMELY nerdy, you will be made fun of by everyone
I fit the as smart as they get. I grasp something in one domain and apply it naturally to other domains with such ease many people find it fascinating. I do it from as long as I remember.
The subset of highly intelligent people that are systematizers probably make the largest subset of people that make discoveries that matter. Like in physics, mathematics, engineering, science etc. Therefore I still think jordan peterson is still wrong on his opinion.
The idea of a spectrum in social and or communication disorders is misleading There are signs that clinicians are getting ready to undermine the idea - which is good. However, I have no idea why anyone would want to replace it with a circle - but that's what seems to be happening. Autism is drawn to extremes as an alleged condition and that drawn-ness applies to the category of alleged autistic people and the alleged condition of autism. It's far too crude to talk about a spectrum or some dopey circle - which is a linear line that some or guy has bent into a circle for training purposes. Social and communication disorders are best explained through something like family resemblance theory. Clinicians should be aware of this tool and they should figure out ways of explaining FR to the public. It really isn't that complicated - I've met sociologists who have been able to grasp the basics!
@@genovayork2468 bs, you are too dumb to recognise his genius. Or are you seething because you are a leftist cuck and thou shall hate him because he stands on the right side of history?
He answers it, and the way i interpret it is he is addressing intelligence =/= socially awkward. If they’re socially awkward yet intelligent, it’s more so because of a personality disorder or something else opposed to the nature of intelligence. You can be an extrovert but immensely intelligent.
Always choose Thing over Peterson. I highly systematise arrogance and why I always got bullied. Peterson is just the school bully with fancy words that is just wortsalat
Sheldon Cooper is not smart. There are multiple instances where he struggles to understand things, metaphors, and general concepts. When Leonard, Wolowitz, and Koothrappali were helping Melissa install the sound system, Penny gets jealous and says 'typical,' referring to typical male behavior. Sheldon interprets this literally and insists that it’s not typical at all because Leonard has never helped a woman named Melissa, etc.
A few, rare people have an equivalent intellect to Elon Musk. They consider Everything, barely sleep and go through continual Hell, finding Gold and heaven as they pass through.
Buddy is struggling so hard to articulate himself clearly, using uncommon terminology and not very accurate statements. Failing to respect the nuances in neurodiversity and autism and how it leads to imbalances in cognition and intelligence. The nuance of this topic and my lack of knowledge would make me unfordable speaking on it. I do think he is smart but he overestimates his understanding in some areas.
He is choosing his words carefully because 1. He has specific ideas/themes/messages he wants to convey 2. He knows he is in the spotlight and must choose his words carefully. The idea that you, some random person on RUclips, knows more about these topics than man who has been researching them for 40+ years is a joke.
Also Jordan is a smart guy, but he’s missing the point here. An easier way to solve the problem that he presents that more people would go along with would be to tell them the truth; that intelligence is just an ability like charisma. Noone (hopefully) is saying there are multiple forms of charisma and we are all equal don’t you feel good now? And yes there are some correlations with intelligence like better looks and faster reflexes but there are also negatives like shorter limbs and unlike what Jordan says in the video, worser social skills. You take any truly smart person i’m not saying charismatic like Joe Rogan here, and you make them dumber, and they would turn more socially skilled. I could explain why but after hearing the video I don’t think Jordan here deserves it. It has to do with relatability though. If you told people the truth, that intelligence is just an ability, it’s not necessarily any more impressive then for example charisma, I think even the liberals might go along with that. The cause of this whole problem is the pedestaling of intelligence, were people either see it as this all-encompassing thing which Jordan is wrong about, he’s just one in the herd here, or they see it as more impressive then other abilities which I don’t agree with personally. This causes then the liberal outrage based in alot of them on selfishness and envy, where everyone has to be ”equal”, and asians have to be banned etc.
I wasn’t calling Joe Rogan smart, I took him as an example of a likeable and also charismatic person that people could think is smart because he’s charismatic. I should of been more clear. Also I have no idea what kind of person he is other then that he’s really dumb, which most people are, others find him likeable, and he’s charismatic.
Formal IQ tests, such as the WISC and WAIS, are split in ti two different categories: verbal IQ and performance IQ. There are different tasks that are assessed within verbal IQ and oerformance IQ subtests. I get your point, Dr. Gardner's feel good nonsense is just that. However, within formal, measured IQ tests, the different categories that i mentioned exist.
Im in the autism spectrum. I systematized banter and my social skill went through the roof.
how?
@@TomaszSliwa-my3ty Charisma on Command is a youtube channel that helped me with communication. It breaks down body language and communication in a way that should help autistic people.
Watch some videos and try to apply them to your life!
@@TomaszSliwa-my3tystudy humor and you’ll find the answer
I did that so some extent as well and it works way better than one might expect
Art is also something that can be systemized and by logical humor must also be systematizeable
@@TomaszSliwa-my3tyfalls into three categories: mum/sister jokes, being weak jokes and the big one: gay jokes
Hey now that... is actually a pretty good idea.
I know a young bloke who is on the spectrum and doing an apprenticeship in a machine shop. He's a very skilled machinist, but is struggling with the social aspect of an industrial environment (despite the guys being pretty nice compared to when I was young). I'm gonna suggest he attacks the situation like that, because he says he often thinks of comebacks and banter, but gets overwhelmed in the moment, overthinks it and misses the opportunity to fire back.
I bet if he has a kind of set of categories to file away in his head, to quickly analyse the banter at hand, he'll be able to come back with some deadly clever quips and that is how you get the respect from the boys on the factory floor.
He just needs a strategy for confidence and he'll be fine. But I hadn't considered that approach before.
I think most people are confusing social skills with extroversion/introversion, to evaluate the smart people they know.
There's a difference between not having social skills and not wanting to be around people. I've never had an issue socializing, the problem is the i don't enjoy most conversations and i like very few people i meet. I am very selective and keep a small circle of close friends and family. It gives me peace, joy, and fulfillment. There have been times I've intentionally pissed people off because i didn't like them. The average interaction is boring.
And that's not exactly introversion either.
Highly disagreeable?
So much this. The chances of having a stimulating conversation with someone you just 'randomly' meet - is almost nil. In 42 years of life; I have learned that it's not only much easier - but it's far more gratifying, to keep my circle intentionally small. When someone does happen to come along that warrants spending the emotional energy required to engage with them, and I feel that the exchange is reciprocal, then I take no issue doing so, and it almost always proves worth the expenditure.
I'm abrasive by nature; but that's by design.
I'm one of these very intelligent people and I've been saying the exact same thing for years: there's a positive correlation between social skills and IQ, not a negative one. And I've said the exact same thing Dr. Peterson says here regarding people really, really wanting to believe that the intelligent must lack in some other way, which is simply not the typical case. My family, from childhood to the present day, has tried to say I "only have book smarts and lack street smarts," whatever that means, even after I spent four years homeless and thrived! I don't know how one lives on the streets for four years and yet lacks street smarts, but that's what they try to convince themselves of in their insecure moments.
Another ubiquitous, yet understandable, phenomenon I see is people calling the highly intelligent arrogant, even in cases where it's completely undeserved, such as when they inadvertently demonstrate a wide vocabulary or use a technical term. A lot of high IQ people report a pervasive impulse to mask their intelligence in every way when socializing because of this phenomenon. To me, it's really clear that the problem is, more typically, the insecure egos of average people, not of the highly intelligent, but of course no one wants to hear that!
Speaking for myself, my social ills are not due to a lack of skill, but from a cynical view of the value of social interaction. "A high degree of intellect tends to make a man unsocial" as Schopenhauer says in his essay, "The Wisdom of Life." I think I've simply been conditioned throughout my life to regard it as not much of a gain for me. I wind up spending far more emotional energy than I gain talking to most people. As radically cynical as he is regarding people he calls vulgar, I don't think Schopenhauer's assessment of the moral state of the average person to be that far from the truth. He defines vulgarity in that same essay as being a consciousness in a state whereby the intellect is completely subordinated to the will, which is to say, a vulgar person is one for whom their intellectual power, great or small as it may be, is completely aimed at their self-interest rather that the timeless, universal, transcendent general principles (Platonic Forms). And this seems incredibly accurate to me. This is the state of most people.
How’d you end up homeless?
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who cheated on me while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she died in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years.
It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer.
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who cheated on me while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she passed away in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years.
It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer.
@@jbeck9001 I had a girlfriend who was unfaithful while we were growing a business together in Las Vegas. I moved back in with my mother in Oklahoma temporarily to sort things out, but she left us in a car accident at that time, so I found myself on a cheap plane to LA with only about $10 left in my pocket and my laptop to live in a temperate climate. After getting adjusted I grew fond of the freedom it offered me and so stayed homeless for four years.
It ended when I grew tired of being harassed by other people and I went back to school for a Computer Science degree. I've been an engineer ever since, but I've grown tired of this too. My interest has always been philosophy, meditation, and the contemplative path of ruthless ego annihilation. So, I'm considering donning the robes and being homeless again. I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing next but I'm done being an engineer.
(btw, big middle finger to YT for forcing me to use euphemisms just to get a message through)
I hate this idea, because I knew I was intelligent and it made me never focus on my social skills because I tough I was supposed to be bad at it, but then I gave it a go. And with time I became better at social skills. A decade later I'm not that socially awkward nerd anymore, I even learned how to be a businessman.
You really can systematize everything, even social skills. It wasn't even that hard, it only required a bit of observation, a change of focus.
I don't like interacting with people in the form of small talk, as I find it boring. However, I love to psychoanalyze people and figure out what makes them tick.
Hi Anawatson! I love psychoanalysis myself! I've somehow gotten to the point where I don't mind "small talk" *too* much, though I'll always prefer deep and inspirational conversations! 🙂
You don't realize what small talk is actually for
“I” don’t like small talk, it bores “ME”. “I” prefer to psychoanalyze people for “MY” own enjoyment.
First of all, that’s weird. Engaging with people to analyze them is weirdo behavior. You should simply interact with others to get to know them as they are, and form a bond, whether temporary or more permanent. That’s how you build social fluency, and create a social circle.
Second, I highlighted your use of personal language. You are approaching conversation as a means to serve you, and if it doesnt, it isn’t worth your time and effort. This is WRONG, and probably comes off in your interactions. small talk is a buffer, to build subtle rapport with another individual, simply to see if you vibe alright. A LOT can be deciphered from small talk, so it’s surprising you say that you “love to psychoanalyze people” yet “hate small talk”. How hard is it to comment on the present moment, or let out a simple joke? Or just to smile at someone and ask a simple question that you probably already know the answer to. The point is to interact with others and to help them feel comfortable with you.
What you said tells me that you’re completely unaware of how to socialize, or that you think you’re “too smart” for small talk, which is arrogance.
@spaceguy.x Many people dont like small talk. Small talk is a good skill to have. If you are talking about a subject that is related to a hobby that is small talk that most people enjoy. If you are talking about the weather that is small talk that is just filler. Enless it spring boards into a discussion of Meteorology or a person's joint problems relating to wether. It depends on the situation. Talking about celebrities personal lives is small talk that I dont engage in. But movie and tv show discussion I will happily engage. Also discussing the wether is good when making plans. Like I said it depends.
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I lack social skills because I'm simply not interested in people. I'm interested in things, concepts, building something from nothing, deconstructing, rebuilding, perfecting.
If it's not connected to what resonates with me, social interaction feels meaningless and empty.
Jordan would say you should be an engineer.
Plenty of bright people enjoy doing and talking about exactly the things you like to do. Those people will NOT enjoy talking about how many beers they can chug, who they can beat up, and how many girls they've raped.
Plenty of people out there like you, but you might find them working for Intel or NASA or SpaceX and you will NOT find them at a fucking bar or nightclub.
For me personally, part of this is both the expenditure and reciprocation (or lack thereof) of emotional energy; and my inability to produce even a modicum of interest for 'small talk'. I genuinely do not understand what people get out of comparing trivial and inconsequential tidbits regarding their personal life.
No, I don't care about the price of gas at your local gas station. No, I don't care that it rained yesterday, and No, I don't care about the personal item you found on sale at your local Wal-Mart.
I am personally experiencing the collapse of all meaning. I can't think of any reason to believe or do anything. I'm not unhappy, I just don't have many desires left.
Yeah at 20 years of age I currently fall into the same category. I hope a good career and eventually children will help with the meaning.
Apokatastasis bro. Go learn that truth. It'll heal your soul and your walk in life will be corrected. You're welcome. God bless you.
Every day of my life is a blessing & Ive got more goals than I have time. My kids are the highest love of my life.
@@onedangerousmanreactsare you physically fit & good at fighting? Start there while at your peak physical capacity & you’ll learn more philosophy & meaning by side effect alone than an entire life of study. Jiujitsu is where to start.
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The real question is how does the brain change in neurodivergent people? If somebody is ADHD or autistic, does that mean that only a part of their brain is highly developed while other parts are underdeveloped? Also, how does trauma influence this?
Good question...
The adhd brain matures more slowly. It creates side effects like avoiding responsibility & impulsive behavior. It can be addressed and exercise helps.
Prof. Ed Dutton talks about genius being a combination of outlier high IQ, high openness, low agreeableness, and low conscientiousness. I don't think conscientiousness should be as thoroughly tested for as it is. In fact, I might argue that the current, sad state of universities is largely due to the screening for high agreeableness and conscientiousness, which combined sounds like the personality of a bootlicker or midwit, and because of high cognitive ability they're better at doing just that. Universities should show higher favor toward low agreeableness and low conscientiousness because these are the types of folks willing to rock the boat and push true advancements.
It's also a benefit to society to do so because there are a LOT of very high IQ, low agreeableness, low conscientiousness men who are feeling quite disenfranchised and adrift in the current system, and that personality type is already a recipe for being iconoclastic and rebellious. When really smart, genius-type people are feeling disenfranchised then society is setting itself up for them to cause trouble.
Ed Dutton is a blessing. Uni selects for rich, minorities, & women aka conformity.
Why would you select for people who dont work hard which is low conscientiousness? That seems absurd.
@@Elitist2 I just told you. Low conscientiousness is part of the personality profile of geniuses. Low conscientiousness people often invent new things because they are looking for an easier way to do things.
@@Elitist2 because not everything good comes from worker drones.
@@saintsword23 High level innovation often requires the original synthesis of knowledge from past constructs transmuted into new forms. Something difficult and requiring effort even for smart people.
All the intelligent people i know have phenomenally good social skills.
Thats because you don't meet the intelligent people that don't.
@@minuteofcan lol, sharp
@@minuteofcan but the question was: are socially akward people the intelligent ones? And the answer Is no. They can, they could, but their awkwarness is not required
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I am 53 years of age and I consider myself a nerd and I don't lack any social skills, but when I talk to people, it seems they are struggling with something in their lives and whe I ask them what they are doing to work on the struggle or struggles they have in their lives, they usually say, "I don't know" or "I am not really sure" or some statement that tells me that they have not been working on themselves or anything in their lives and are so fixated on what other people think and not focusing on self-improvement.
Even though many like to mock them, at the end of the day they are always glad when intelligent people are around (even if they wont admit it).
we dont lack social skills , we just find the social game boring unless you talk about a interesting or big topic
Well Said 🙌
That's lacking social skills..if you can only talk about something that's only interesting to you or something that only you can understand... isn't it?
@@contritefiendI think you’re right , if you can’t make small talks, start a conversation keep it going and make it interesting because of the way you present it than in my opinion you lack social skills , and there is many other things like being funny know how to tell a story etc…
Nah incompetence is generated through a lack of interest as well
Just making things for someone of interest doesn’t reveal skills that one lacks lol
@@sonicmaths8285 actually we are interested in learning theory of knowledge and how role playing works , including psychology of sentence logic.
The awkward label is often levelled at people that the average person finds difficult to connect with. That has nothing to do with the target of their attention and everything to do with themselves. It's awkward because they find you uninteresting and you think they shouldn't.
I've worked with brilliant people and none of them were socially awkward.
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Define "brilliant"
@@MrHanderson91they were better at the job than them
@@MrHanderson91it's pretty obvious when someone is above average, they tend to find the most efficient way to get jobs done and are able to tacitly lead a team without being crowned team leader or equivalent title. They also normally are able to apply esoteric knowledge to mundane tasks in order to achieve the above.
there is a difference between having a high inter-personal skill and having high social skill/charishma.
i have never seen a brilliant mind that has terrible interpersonal skill aka great coversationist aka great 1to1 or talking to small groupsm but i have seen lots of them acting odd and awkward when they crowd is not a small group rather consists of few dozens.
if you're going to hardcode them, then use human-made captions, please
I am afraid, they are human-made, at least human-edited. No text-to-speech tool would insert unspoken words in his real clear pronunciation, like transforming "expert" into "expert PHD".
The problem with me is that I am dumb as fuck and awkward.
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I met a girl in my hometown and she was very far from the nerd stereotype and I discovered her IQ to be 166... from then onwards, my vision of my ego and the intelligence realm among other things was very hard for me to handle
Why was it hard to handle just because you couldn’t pin it to a stereotype?
@@Cookieface Well, partIy but not entirely. I had already fallen in love with her before knowing that information, so when I knew that, it smashed my ego since intelligence is probably the thing I have always idealized more and at the same time I fell in love more ''brutally'' cause I found her more unreachable and it was even worse because I didn't expect it because of not having the stereotype, which made me think she was even more unique. Handling infatuation and knowing that 166 thing even just separately wasn't easy at all so let alone both at the same time. It was really hard but helped me to not give that much importance to intelligence
I systematized my every social interaction based on error and feedback, and later on research on psychology and books and tips. How to be a good friend, how to talk to people, how to be a good partner. I thought I just wanted to be a good person, but then I realized people often don’t think about these things as much… but I think I do it well, people often say they like talking to me (random people), I just normally don’t know how to keep friends lol
First off - I LOVE Jordan Peterson, I Am an INTJ ~ once after I had figured that our everything made sense to me. Psychology, Sociology and behavior is very very interesting indeed now. It's so dynamic I also believe partly that we will never accurately be able to just make a behavior template on a person since nothing is static it's fluid and people also evolve and it's important to grow as a person I think this is achieved in not only just one way but many. I Certainly love to hear what Jordan says and his opinions and knowledge on these matters so interesting.
I dont really like small talk at all. I like to talk about truly interesting things. Everything else to me becomes bothersome
IQ does play a huge behind the scenes role in the world, but i wouldn't be a good idea to rank people. Every job for example requires some intellectual ablity. You can however brute for your way simply by getting advice and not giving up. If someone learns they have an iq of say 90 they might give up because other people are smarter. The idea that player x is better than me because of this test, so i cant win in a highly competitive environment could be very bad for moral.
Exactly. That's who those blended by envy don't understand.
The team makes it happen.
Besides hard work and iq I think mental health is very important. You can have a very high iq but if you're depressed or/and have anxiety you're probably not going to achieve much . Also courage .If you lack courage again you're not going to achieve much. Having a high iq is very good but there are so many things that can restrict it significantly.
I have always been puzzled with my abilities and deficits. It's hard to relate to people. Hard to keep up with conversations especially with difficult material. And yet I seem to be able to solve relatively large problems given enough time. Engineering school was hard but I did very well. So in some ways I feel well below average and in other ways I feel above average. I fit the general stereotype well but I don't think my IQ is extraordinary, just a bit above average.
With some people it's natrual to communicate others are closed minded .... Real intelligent people are swimming in their own mind ...so when someone comes up to them out of nowhere and starts a conversation....you respond back .... but what they don't understand is they interrupted you ....cause you were deep into thinking about other things ....
I loooove being around nerds I learn they inspire me.
Very interesting. Me? Being a nerd in puberty, my social skills/canniness was not great at all, rather lacking. (In retrospect, just intense and pointless insecurity.) Had to learn them as I went, luckily my confidence level grew as I learned them and as my environment changed. The Big Bang Theory - never was interested in it. A silly parody, as real scientists, nerds or not, are very different, and much more complex, than that show or any television show on network TV, could ever dramatize. (And I doubt there is an audience base large enough to make such a show profitable.)
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But... what if I'm awkward and not smart 🤔
Join the cops then, that way you can get away with it
Work really fking hard
Its not just small talk. Some people just have a wildly different sense of humour.
It is as it is and actions hopefully teach the practice behind the theory and generalisation/systematisation.
You can socialise in one to ones or small groups within your approximate tribe of 150. The ripples spread then according to the 5/6 degrees of Separation Theory/Practice. A real Leader will not be a megalomaniac and burn off their soul/psyche, Dr. Peterson has taught us.
The irony is that JP is explaining this. He is a great example of a highly intelligent person with excellent social skills.
I love nerds! The problem I run into is an example from Futurama,
Nerd* "Bring on the ladies!"
Leela* "I'm a woman if that's what you mean. Let me get this straight I am looking for a man and have no time for games."
Nerd* "A woman, I'm scared."
CLEAN YOUR ROOM. Systematically of course 🗿
It's called jealousy, everyone would be uncomfortable interacting with haters. There is a video of mark zuckeberg, before he became rich and famous. He is a totally normal guy. People intentionally made the situation awkward for him, to make him look bad on videos.
Sometimes it's really tiresome to deal with regulars but that's about it
Systematization of the never ending attempt to classify and standardizie people to put them in boxes?
What's the purpose?What will happen to those who are so unique that do not fall into any of those categories?
Should we resort to Procrustean methods?
Im curious? why did you say EI doesn't exist??
most people survive by being socially accepted...
there are a few who don't
the average probably aren't being mean. If they learned to imitate social rules, and these rules are very important to them, then shouldn't that awkward guy in the corner care too?
Some people make the rules some people follow them. No big deal. the average kids will be working for a paycheck.
Being picked on by the average kids is maybe the best indicator of future success?
The Big Bang was simple enough to understand but had set-dressing they couldn’t understand written by physicists.
It made their personal intellectual shortcomings relatable in a sense.
“If I can understand this show I must be pretty smart too”
Mass appeal. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. It could serve as inspiration to a lot of youngsters to solve those equations on the board.
Get it? Good Will Hunting?
"That's literally me!!!!"
I feel you on the 5 but boxes exist to constrain and restrict.
I’m talking personal growth tho. Not mass standardization like iq tests. I don’t think I’ve ever even taken one of those. It’s so arbitrary imho.
Like, who care what the number on the scale says? Well, a doctor monitoring your weight loss.
Should you care what the scale says while doing what you’re supposed to be doing?
If so, why? What are you comparing the number to?progress? Progress of what? Your weight loss? Why?
It’s a loop, feel me?
Nah, intelligence is a skill, similar to athleticism; you have natural ability, but you can train it. Training it doesn't make you less empathetic, being empathetic is why I'm considered socially intelligent for an autistic person. You can learn to read a room, just like how you can learn to fix a car or write a novel.
Nah.
So if someone tested of an IQ of 85; they have the potential to be the next Albert Einstein if you train them?
@@Jacob-kb8hf I didn't say that, maybe read my whole comment next time before you resort to a rather idiotic rhetorical question. I'll admit, you're terrible argument is giving me doubts to intelligence being a trainable skill. Clearly not for you.
@@Jacob-kb8hf I do not expect a convincing argument in favour of this idea, but I will be slightly amused to read the attempt.
Yeah no. You cannot teach anyone how to do anything.
I am convinced that we need to expand our understanding of social skills.
The term social skills must be subdivide into all the different types of personalities.
The majority of humans, especially humans today are just incredibly stupid, boring, rude, aggressive, selfish, narcissistic, and simplistic
For only people of those same type are considered to have good social skills
However, if you are more inclined to be intelligent, civilized, thoughtful, caring, and so forth then you have a different belief in social skills. Different beliefs in the way people interact with each other and communicate
Therefore, it is not so much social skills not having social skills. What we are really talking about is a common group think in the way a particular personality perceives the world believes in relationships enjoy spending their time and especially how they communicate
The majority of people have this complex culture of nonverbal, communication code phrases, and hidden agendas. And beyond that most of them are incredibly selfish rude, and do not have much intellectual depth
That is why intelligent civilize people do not communicate the same same way nor do they want to
However, when you put intelligent, thoughtful, creative, spiritual people in the same room, they automatically know how to talk to each other. It is very natural and the social skills aren’t even skills anymore as they are natural to everyone
We must therefore redefine the term social skills to be subdivided into personality groups
I think I am fairly smart, I just lack conscientiousness. I have good social skills, just lack the will to leverage them with my smarts. I feel like a v8 that is not secured in the engine compartment.
Intelligence is general and its freaking people* out (*those who are unhappy with their iq results)
Don McCmillan has a comedy skit with the nerds, geeks etc
I require my executive team to factor *Emotional Intelligence* into the calculation when evaluating candidates for leadership roles. I define this as filtering for folks who are adept at expressing, and handling, contentious issues clinically. After watching this vid I am wondering if, for the purpose stated, there is a better term for Emotional Intelligence. I suppose I could use *conscientiousness* but I feel that word is not as well understood. I welcome suggestions.
Maturity
Any code for that big 5 test?
The show Big Bang Theory and the show Bones were out at the same time and both portrayed a character that was genius level, both characters lacked basic social skills and did not understand social norms. They were both extremely dislikable. It was as if they had no brain power left over for pleasantness, or compassion for those not as smart as them. They seem 'mean' and dismissive, they come off as pricks. If I had met them - someone like them - I would have dismissed them as arrogant snobs.
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They learned how to treat others by being treated with innate hostility themselves. The world has literally taught them that this is what "normal" behaviour is when there is a cognitive mismatch.
Constantly depriving you of social nutrition while forcing the sound of nails on a chalkboard into your ears any time I'm near you would likely be a different experience than the average person has with the average person.
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If there was ever an American Dr Who.
He would be perfect for it.
Some highly intelligent people never meet the requirements to join Harvard for example. High IQ is rarely sufficient (although it is usually necessary)?
IQ isn't about cognition, which is just behavior. It's about knowledge (an ability to apply what you know to what you see). It's dumb that you can "boost" your IQ just by prep'ing for an IQ test.
Doesn't mention introvert vs extrovert. huh.
Because its too accurate 😂
What I understand is that you can work for a high grade even though you are a shining example of mediocrity. To get a high IQ-score on an IQ-test requires innate ability you are born with and cannot be acquired through any means of study. It is obvious that grades measure a combination of Industriousness and IQ. Add the fact that different schools produce different exams with different difficulty for the same course also adds to the demise of the premise that grades = IQ.
That just shows smart and intelligent people can still be socially stupid.
im not smart, just awkard
I'm perceived as 'awkward' probably because I'm just not interested in usual day-to-day conversation topics. I'm usually contemplating something new or international politics or a number of things more interesting than the person in front of me who I have to waste time on.
Yeah so you're awkward. That's all that means
Because no one whose spent the time learning how to integrate in math took the time to learn how to integrate into society?
Not everybody can become an astronaut. And without social skills they wouldn't even make a day of living inside ISS. Consider how many fears they overwin. Over and over again. And pain. Well, you ready for that?
He is making a mistake. It's called selection bias. To study psychology you have to be interested in people. Otherwise you wouldn't study psychology.
I see that a lot of intelligent people are also increasingly prone to motivational thinking if the are trained to do one highly complicated topic. Generally its not a bad thing but in a buisness environment a highly intelligent person disproportinately prone to motivational thinking at the executive level often causes founders syndrom. Functionally the buisness cannot scale because how you systemitize scalability is by not standardizing the expectation of skill on a labor pool around the primary expert. I am hired to scale manufacturing in biotech down to brand new facilities. There are many political interests which shift dramatically throughout a buisness life cycle. Convincing an expert of an iq of 170 at the executive level that their floor needs to cater to different lifestyles and perspectives that are so narrow they cant comprehend it so things/systems/people are modular and replicable is like pulling teeth. Too some extent i think extremely high iq comes at the cost of the ability to understand how expectations scale because they cannot actually simulate how others percieve things in general. Not that you need to to grasp the significance of the limitation. I also have difficulty understanding people exactly but i have techniques for emperically deriving the effectiveness of my systems as they scale. Its important for scope identification and mitigating system wide scope creep which has been in my experience the biggest killer of buisnesses if they start to get past investor phase and into market phase. I think high iq people understand consequences so well they stop being able to understand or work with perspectives that lack the ability/experience to make those calculations.
I feel like Prof. Peterson confuses here "potentinal EQ" and "achieved EQ".
It's quite obvious that higher IQ results in a higher Potential EQ. But it can easily lead to a lower EQ if the person, due to their intellegence, gets into natural science and is highly focuses on dealing with things or even abstract concepts, not people. Another random reason - high IQ means more money and more money you have less EQ you need to get from people when you want.
I would actually put forward the idea that the higher your IQ, the higher your potential EQ the less you feel inclined to bother with the least interesting species on the planet. Once you've figured out the majority are emotionally knee-jerking their way through life and will seek personal advantage through interpersonal connections you pretty much decide to have very few interpersonal connections. There is no net gain to you only potential net losses.
@@Clara-c5q7j EQ is not about "figuring out" people, IQ is. EQ is about an ability to emotionally connect with people, empathy. The higher your EQ the more interesting humans will feel for you.
We starting to get somewhere now. Very nice.
What’s judgmental about facts? Nothing. They just are. It’s objectivity vs subjectivity.
Aka ppl are gonna see what they want to see. Why do they want to see anything specific? Does it possibly relate to their own predicaments? Looking for answers?
You can’t find some answers in a book. That stomach drop heart beat might be your body giving you the answer you seek.
Seek and you shall find
You already know the answers. Deeply
I just mentioned 😂😂 have you seen ever student can said my teacher is smart but awkward!????? And people admire him !?????
The same situation here ! If you admit he is smarter ! How you evaluate him !??
(I'm a man borrowing my wife's account)
I am a man with high functioning autism. Most people agree that I have genius level intelligence and exceptional language functioning. However, I don't really know how high my functioning is in non-language based fields such as math, science, etc.
I grew up loving the concepts of math and science but never went to school (I was a child laborer) and discovered they were my weakest subjects when I began college as an adult.
I seem to have very high logic abilities but I don't feel like I was ever really good at math. Even so, I don't actually know because I have very little information about how good others are at math and thus don't know what standard to evaluate myself by. Most people around me have said I am good at math--and yet I am not convinced. It is possible I am not confident in my mathematical abilities because they have not been sufficiently proven or because I simply lack the education necessary to fully use them.
Likewise, my social abilities may also be underdeveloped due to lack of opportunities in addition to the autism itself.
I’m sorry but this line of reasoning makes no sense. Don’t go to a school if you barely got in?
Where’s the bottom then? There’s always going to be capacity constraints. So there’s always going to be that bottom third.
Flip it. You want high standards so everyone accepted barely gets in, so to speak.
Don’t discount work ethic and determination. It’s how they got into Harvard in the first place (before all this weird stuff but you know what I mean)
Be systematic with me here...
If systematizing is correlated with high intelligence
And autism is an extreme case of systematizing
Then why the hell is "neurodivergence" considered a disorder?
It's almost like that label is just majority normies coping by pathologizing something they don't understand.
Because it makes you socially retarded. This is not deep ppl.
It was too accurate. I know what you mean.
How’s the social media training going?
Where do people like Leonardo da Vinci and Elon Musk fit in to this observation?
Well, herzlichen Glückwunsch. Where all those "Enviess Enviess Enviess" come from? Dupe ci sciska?
I think this nerdiness associated with high intelligence might be somewhat cultural
I see how Americans look at engineers, as nerds, even engineers think of themselves as nerds
I'm a mechanical engineer from Venezuela, in my college years I knew many people, from my school and many others
Most engineering students I knew were highly socially skillful, many where party animals even
I may have known 3 or 4 really nerdy students, and they aren't the best engineers I know, not even close
Same in my own 3rd world brown country, if you are not a nerd or bad at school/college , you are not considered cool and looked down upon considered low status. you can be from a rich family good looking and still be considered uncool compared to someone else who is economically challenged but excels academically and shows future potential etc. if anything jocks are considered uncool andoften correalted to being losers. it is funny
here those who excel academically, shine socially as well. Be it dating game attractiveness or whatever
but even then, if you are EXTREMELY nerdy, you will be made fun of by everyone
I fit the as smart as they get. I grasp something in one domain and apply it naturally to other domains with such ease many people find it fascinating. I do it from as long as I remember.
Why doesn't your personality test tell me upfront I will have to pay? Now I wasted my time
Perhaps going forward assume something you value and brings you benefit will cost something. That technique usually makes a smoother day.
If you a freebee kinda guy that doesnt want to pay people.for their work you are in the loser category for sure
The subset of highly intelligent people that are systematizers probably make the largest subset of people that make discoveries that matter. Like in physics, mathematics, engineering, science etc. Therefore I still think jordan peterson is still wrong on his opinion.
I wonder what makes a good in a person who uses their full frontal lobe in a conversation
The idea of a spectrum in social and or communication disorders is misleading There are signs that clinicians are getting ready to undermine the idea - which is good. However, I have no idea why anyone would want to replace it with a circle - but that's what seems to be happening.
Autism is drawn to extremes as an alleged condition and that drawn-ness applies to the category of alleged autistic people and the alleged condition of autism. It's far too crude to talk about a spectrum or some dopey circle - which is a linear line that some or guy has bent into a circle for training purposes.
Social and communication disorders are best explained through something like family resemblance theory. Clinicians should be aware of this tool and they should figure out ways of explaining FR to the public. It really isn't that complicated - I've met sociologists who have been able to grasp the basics!
Finally, is Genius supposed to go back on itself and pretend it is something else??
🎉🎉🎉I HAD NO SOCIAL SENSE...STILL DONT HAVE...I HAVE MORAL SENSE....
Jordan Peterson is a nerd.
No.
A nerd lacks social skills, what he doesn't.
"What exactly do you mean by that?"
AI?
5mins in the word salad was for making some stupid test made of stupid people, got it.
This is getting out of hand and sad with community and weird violence from old family associations etc. it’s a bit strange
I wonder if it is the Canadian pronunciation to put the accent on the second syllable (and not on the first) in the words "caricature" and "plethora".
Schon wieder ein neidischer Pseudointellektueller. Shame on you. Var tyst.
Should I dislike, because it's cheap and lazy rip off from JP
or should I like because spreading JPs wisdom is still good?
Hmmmm
Dislike because JP's bs should be avoided.
@@genovayork2468 bs, you are too dumb to recognise his genius. Or are you seething because you are a leftist cuck and thou shall hate him because he stands on the right side of history?
I like smart but awkward with lame jokes.
He didn´t answer the question , maybe he doesn´t know it? It has nothing to do with "autism" or even intelligent.
He answers the question, as the question presumes wrong assumptions.
He answers it, and the way i interpret it is he is addressing intelligence =/= socially awkward. If they’re socially awkward yet intelligent, it’s more so because of a personality disorder or something else opposed to the nature of intelligence. You can be an extrovert but immensely intelligent.
Keep telling yourself you suck at being around people because you're "smart" lol
Maybe some of you are, but that's not the reason
Schizoid personality types maybe
”Caricature” he needs to learn how to pronounce to be taken seriously.
Although health wise this was a weak JP, spiritually this is prime JP. The current JP is corrupted beyond recognition.
Always choose Thing over Peterson.
I highly systematise arrogance and why I always got bullied. Peterson is just the school bully with fancy words that is just wortsalat
No worry Jordan, nobody will call you nerd, be sure! No risk for you!
Because they are not pretty or hot
👎👎
Sheldon Cooper is not smart. There are multiple instances where he struggles to understand things, metaphors, and general concepts. When Leonard, Wolowitz, and Koothrappali were helping Melissa install the sound system, Penny gets jealous and says 'typical,' referring to typical male behavior. Sheldon interprets this literally and insists that it’s not typical at all because Leonard has never helped a woman named Melissa, etc.
A few, rare people have an equivalent intellect to Elon Musk. They consider Everything, barely sleep and go through continual Hell, finding Gold and heaven as they pass through.
Buddy is struggling so hard to articulate himself clearly, using uncommon terminology and not very accurate statements.
Failing to respect the nuances in neurodiversity and autism and how it leads to imbalances in cognition and intelligence.
The nuance of this topic and my lack of knowledge would make me unfordable speaking on it.
I do think he is smart but he overestimates his understanding in some areas.
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Do you have an example of these inaccurate statements?
He is choosing his words carefully because 1. He has specific ideas/themes/messages he wants to convey 2. He knows he is in the spotlight and must choose his words carefully. The idea that you, some random person on RUclips, knows more about these topics than man who has been researching them for 40+ years is a joke.
Schizo
Totally true. In many areas I'd say. Like when he speaks about music, art, ancient religion?, Christianity and physics
Verbal and nonverbal intelligence isn’t a thing. Multiple forms of intelligence don’t exist. I didn’t know Jordan Peterson was a liberal.
Also Jordan is a smart guy, but he’s missing the point here. An easier way to solve the problem that he presents that more people would go along with would be to tell them the truth; that intelligence is just an ability like charisma. Noone (hopefully) is saying there are multiple forms of charisma and we are all equal don’t you feel good now? And yes there are some correlations with intelligence like better looks and faster reflexes but there are also negatives like shorter limbs and unlike what Jordan says in the video, worser social skills. You take any truly smart person i’m not saying charismatic like Joe Rogan here, and you make them dumber, and they would turn more socially skilled. I could explain why but after hearing the video I don’t think Jordan here deserves it. It has to do with relatability though. If you told people the truth, that intelligence is just an ability, it’s not necessarily any more impressive then for example charisma, I think even the liberals might go along with that. The cause of this whole problem is the pedestaling of intelligence, were people either see it as this all-encompassing thing which Jordan is wrong about, he’s just one in the herd here, or they see it as more impressive then other abilities which I don’t agree with personally. This causes then the liberal outrage based in alot of them on selfishness and envy, where everyone has to be ”equal”, and asians have to be banned etc.
I wasn’t calling Joe Rogan smart, I took him as an example of a likeable and also charismatic person that people could think is smart because he’s charismatic. I should of been more clear. Also I have no idea what kind of person he is other then that he’s really dumb, which most people are, others find him likeable, and he’s charismatic.
Formal IQ tests, such as the WISC and WAIS, are split in ti two different categories: verbal IQ and performance IQ. There are different tasks that are assessed within verbal IQ and oerformance IQ subtests. I get your point, Dr. Gardner's feel good nonsense is just that. However, within formal, measured IQ tests, the different categories that i mentioned exist.