Captain take a look at the walkup ramp. The first thing he does is A move, then he cancel the a move by right clicking right next to where the scv is currently. Then he immediately right clicks the scv. He had vision
The second guy definitely looked suspicious with all the weird peeks into the fog, but I don’t think any of the peeks actually helped him win, so it’s hard to say it’s hacking and not just being bad and clicking into the fog
I feel like the other side to 'low level players don't know what to do with information' is that low level players also tend to know a *lot* less about what's going on, so they get more information from maphacks. Like, a GM can extract a fair amount of information about an opponent's build from how far along a hatchery is or how many workers they have on their natural. A gold player can't necessarily do that - and anyway at that level their opponent might just have forgotten to expand or build workers. For a lower level player, maphacks give basic information like 'is this Terran going mech or bio?' that a GM would already be able to get very easily from their deeper knowledge of the game.
There is a HUGE advantage on average at lower levels (all levels, really) when you factor in the MMR increase for seeing various cheeses and proxies coming. I find a reasonbly large percentage of my games have these at my (lower) level. You didn't see that at all in Harstem's games against his maphacking friend, but just look here in the first game for a good example. I imagine always catching proxy raxxes would push a player a lot higher on the ladder against Terrans. I'd probably gain a few 100 MMR just if I could just maphack for the first 3 minutes of a game, and then turned it off.
I actually tried this against my friend without telling him. I enabled cheats and turned on maphack for a best of 7 set to see just how much maphack can give you an advantage. And for context, i used to win 60/40 before maphacking. Afterwards, not a single game was even close. Even the games where i pretended i was playing ladder and had to hide my cheats. You can gain immense value from being able to see the very units your opponent is playing, but you can also gain unbeatable info by just seeing army movements on the map. When to tech up, when to macro, when to fight. If you lack confidence in your play, maphacks removes that issue entirely. He told me after those games that he felt i was playing like a madman. I took every risk i possibly could, like i was playing as if i couldn't lose. There is no greater confidence boost than to remove the uncertainty of the fog of war. The top league of RTS games are good because they can understand whats in the fog of war without seeing it themselves. You remove that, then good players can be equally deadly. I genuinely think, in an equal game. Maphacking will make you win pretty much 9 out of 10 games. Maybe a bit lower of you're trying to be subtle about it.
What I'm learning from HHH is that if I suspect my opponent of hacking then I should play a long standard game because that is what will compare skill rather than playing for a build order win.
I would think any well timed push would do considerable damage to hackers? Just don't do anything tricky? Don't proxy anything. Don't do any drops or harass. I used to play Brood Wars. A lot of 4v4. I'd build a large army of dragoons. With as good macro as possible. Knowing about it wasn't any help. It didn't have any real weaknesses. I'd just add in zealots for terran. The enemy team would often ally me even if I lost because they were just like you didn't deserve to lose. I want you on my team. Lol. So even when I lost I would usually win.
I would like way more first person from the accused Hacker when watching this in the first game for example it looked like he did move command the probe right to the proxy location as he did with the Stalker to the Starport.
From my maphacks experiment, which was mostly 3.5-5k players, I determined maphacks are worth, with 95% confidence, somewhere in [165.5, 812.3] additional mmr. Also, all your further maphacks experiments should be done with my maphacks mode because it's an order of magnitude better than any other maphacks mod afaik
The problem for map hackers is that of course they don't know how to respond to the information they see, because their skill level is much, much lower than their MMR would suggest. So map hacking basically puts silver league players into platinum, or gold into diamond but it doesn't mean they have the skills, and they don't if they did, hacking would put them into Master. Where they would be beaten by master level players who do have master level skills. So it's a funny thing really.
what many people seem to forget about low MMR hackers is that they're not even low MMR, they're even lower MMR players that get boosted into low MMR. The amount of mistakes make for them to be unable to climb higher even with the use of cheats is very high. You should always play your games to the end instead of guaranteeing your loss by leaving.
This series is awesome, but I have to say I really preferred the earlier episodes where it took pretty significant evidence before making the call that this is almost certainly a hacker. Even if there's some pre-production where we've identified a likely replay, it feels like a better exercise to approach with extreme caution. If not for the content itself, for the sake of the viewers. I feel like too many people are going to go out and start calling every strange occurrence a clear of of map hacking if we don't encourage skepticism.
Harstem, my captain, please investigate the player named zed on the NA server in gold/silver leagues. I've played this hacker twice, and the replays show even more obvious map hacking than in your videos. I don't know why, but the report button isn't there when I've tried to report the hacker, so I fear they are using a version of map hack that prevents them being reported for it. I know it's only metal league play, but it's just as frustrating to know that the scumbag is still out there ruining the game for people like me. He plays as terran in the 2 games I've played against him, and the replays show dozens of peeks through the fog of war, and lots of preemptive/predictive army movements. Your my last hope of getting this guy out of the game. Please do what's right for all of us metal league'rs who love sc2
I am GGFU, I gonna send more replay of that second player to you, I played with him so many times. He is surely a hacker. The reason I instantly leave is becasue I know the name of that guy, so I rage so much and don't want to play him.
You know you could win, but you know playing will only make your opponent happy to play the game. You left the hacker in front of peoples the hacker cannot win against even with the help of map hacks by giving the hacker more MMR! Genius move!
I met the first hacker in a 2v2 match the other day. It was so obvious, too. Even while playing the game. Had a moment like: "If he has a god observer, fair, else he's hacking." Turned out he was hacking :P
New series idea: a diamond level tournament where only 1 player has map hacks. The other 7 do not know who it is. Cast the whole tournament as a best of 3 bracket.
Personally anyone that peeks into the fog is already prime suspect for hacker. I've played sc2 for years and I have never in those years just randomly clicked on fog with nothing there.
Had to pause to say: I really wanna see that experiment with 600 mmr diamonds. Really interesting imho. And hopefully not just one game or two, but some real numbers (dont have to do them all in the video) :) EDIT: I am 3500 @ asia nowadays. Its mid diamond. I would participate in this, on either side :D
what we wanna see is you vs Clem or raynor with you using the maphack mod, really see how broken it'd be at the top level even when he does know you're seeing all that he's doing.
There are many many more map hackers in the metal leagues than in the masters. Judging by my replays it's like 1 in 5 games that my opponent takes peeks through the fog of war every few seconds
Thing about that first game, yes as you say GGFU was in a good position and probably shouldn't have left, but in the middle of the match he does not have the information you do. From his perspective he is fighting an uphill battle against someone who knows his every moves and can counter him every step of the way.
It is true that he doesn't have that bird's eye view, but I think there's a broader point, particularly with this guy, in that rage-quitting a game before you've really given it a chance to play itself out can lock you out of some easy wins. Although, not sure what we can expect from a guy who thought long and hard about it and decided that "GGFU" was the thing he wanted to represent his identity in an online game.
I dunno, I feel like the high key homophobia of GGFU kinda disvalidates this somewhat. I mean, yea, he apologised for the flaming, but even when flaming there are certain standards that shouldn't be limboe'd under.
I'm a 2.3k player. I've maybe played 100 online games since release. I guarantee maphack would help me. But maybe that's because I watch your videos daily so I'd have an idea of how to react.
Yes, at 10:27 there is a click right next to the reaper a fraction of a moment before it comes into vision. It's clearly visible when played at 0.25 speed.
Challenge idea. How quick can you get an account banned by using high level knowledge to simulate hacking. Putting screen on likely positions in fog of war. Predicting moves to blind counter by comitting hard. Just be real sus.
In my opinion as a low-Diamond (3.1-3.2K): I would have a lot of trouble beating, say, 3.8K with maphack. My mechanics aren't up to it; the information would be nice but that's not enough. My chances would be better if they didn't know I had maphack--I might win occasionally because of failed cheeses. Still not high though. If they know I have maphack, they should just play standard and win. Conversely, 2.3K with maphack is unlikely to beat me, due to deficient macro: I can just make a ton of units and come across the map in a straightforward way and win. I don't think it will matter much if I know or not. If I know, I won't cheese ZvP, which I otherwise do: but honestly the cheese would probably work even if they saw it coming. Making a roach-proof wall on the fly is hard for Gold, and they may not have the money. Would love to participate in the experiment, if someone wants to run it!
As a low diamond player at the 3.2k mmr. I would most likely not benefit much for map hack. The only benefit I think for a low level like me, would be if there was a proxy or something. So that you know it’s 12pool or proxy gate or proxy rax. Maybe also being able to know how to steer Medivacs to avoid being seen. I’d still just queue it up and loose it probably 😂
My understanding is that the hack would stop the game from recording the peek in the replay file when they click on a fog of war area. Like when you are looking at your base, then you click on the enemy's base, the hack would show the enemy's base to you, but it would also make sure that the saved reply is keep showing your base, and the view in the reply would only change again when the hacker clicks on a legally visible area or when they move the camera to a legally visible area. Basically hiding the screen peeks.
500 mmr above me isnt enough. I'm 3300 toss and I've been playing a lot against my clanmates some of who are 3800-4400. And I can say 100% from my experience, loss of 3300 player isn't guaranteed, I remember winning game even on stream vs 4.1k player(a small tournament). It's pure luck, I'm not that good, but it shows, it's still not enough to exclude possibility of getting lucky.
harstem thinks that a guy that cannot anticipate what building he should build next and that he needs to keep buuilding drones, is somehow mindful enough to anticipate where the reaper will show up next, is kinda jaw-dropping xD 2nd guy -> hacks 100%.
The first time I ran into a map hacker was in WoL on that 4-player map Metalopolis (if anyone remembers that). I was only in gold league at the time and when I posted the replay in the official forums to report them, most just wrote it off with "lol why would someone map hack in gold league", which was really frustrating. But you watch the replay and it was very obvious, as watching it from his point of view he was constantly looking at my base. The most egregious was when I built a nydus worm in that small area at the back of the bases that was surrounded in those fumes. He didn't have any vision of that area, but he somehow knew immediately the moment it started building (this wasn't after you hear the nydus worm scream after it pops out, this was as soon as started to build). He then proceeded to attack my base with his entire army, which he somehow knew the position of without ever scouting even once (remember it was a 4 player spawn map). It was soooo obvious when you watched it. "Why would someone map hack in gold league" is a good question, but I guess map hackers need to start in the lower leagues and work their way up like everyone else does.
I feel like there needs to be a lot stronger evidence to accuse the second guy. It's hard to find enough evidence to properly accuse a hacker if you just die to early stalkers walking across the map
Harstem tries way too hard to be charitable instead of realistic, then upon review realizes saying they weren't necessarily hackers shows to be bonkers.
The expectations Harstem has towards hackers are wild. "Hacker sees proxy building - hacker must attack proxy building" is just a stupid idea in and of itself. They also should have a special "hacker" ID, add a "hacker" clan tag and have a link to a live stream with maphack shown for every game. That way nobody would suspect them.
the 2nd guy was confirm hacker.. he hit after confirming his odds of winning by comparing his and GGFU's units.. and proceeded to hit at the correct timing before the bunker was finished..
I am a low MMR Diamond player with a rank between 3.2k and 3.3k. I am confident that I can perform accurately with full information (I used to be a Master in WoL and then left until a few months ago). If you want someone to test your thesis, I am available.
@Harstem, my MMR is 2k. I believe that, at my level, map hacks really wouldn't help me very much at all. I believe your opinion is correct. Want to test it? I'll play 20 games with and without map hacks and we can look at my win % hahaha
Your are wrong about not needing scouting or maphacks at low levels. The low levels are playing in a different meta-game which you are ignorant of; it is inferior to your level but that doesn't mean it's irrelevant, you just don't understand it.
point is if your getting cheesed and your playing an actual build order you will win anyway. Scouting is not needed at the lower level because the cheese would be so poor that actual build orders will hold the cheese regardless. At the lowest level. Not to mention a low level player has no idea what the opponents buildings or units are. How would a low level player see the difference between 18 hatch 18 pool versus 15 hatch 15 pool? Just a waste of time that could have been used macroing.
Why do you always keep giving so much benefit of doubt to these guys. A SINGLE peak into the fog directly onto their reaper is a 100% tell, there is literally zero doubt left. Watching you try to find reasons for this guy not to be hacking is legit frustrating. Even the peaks into their natural just before moving the stalkers in are basically a sure tell. Why do you keep doing this?
Captain take a look at the walkup ramp. The first thing he does is A move, then he cancel the a move by right clicking right next to where the scv is currently.
Then he immediately right clicks the scv. He had vision
The second guy definitely looked suspicious with all the weird peeks into the fog, but I don’t think any of the peeks actually helped him win, so it’s hard to say it’s hacking and not just being bad and clicking into the fog
I feel like the other side to 'low level players don't know what to do with information' is that low level players also tend to know a *lot* less about what's going on, so they get more information from maphacks. Like, a GM can extract a fair amount of information about an opponent's build from how far along a hatchery is or how many workers they have on their natural. A gold player can't necessarily do that - and anyway at that level their opponent might just have forgotten to expand or build workers. For a lower level player, maphacks give basic information like 'is this Terran going mech or bio?' that a GM would already be able to get very easily from their deeper knowledge of the game.
Yeah. The comparative knowledge gap might be very close
There is a HUGE advantage on average at lower levels (all levels, really) when you factor in the MMR increase for seeing various cheeses and proxies coming. I find a reasonbly large percentage of my games have these at my (lower) level.
You didn't see that at all in Harstem's games against his maphacking friend, but just look here in the first game for a good example. I imagine always catching proxy raxxes would push a player a lot higher on the ladder against Terrans. I'd probably gain a few 100 MMR just if I could just maphack for the first 3 minutes of a game, and then turned it off.
I actually tried this against my friend without telling him. I enabled cheats and turned on maphack for a best of 7 set to see just how much maphack can give you an advantage. And for context, i used to win 60/40 before maphacking. Afterwards, not a single game was even close. Even the games where i pretended i was playing ladder and had to hide my cheats.
You can gain immense value from being able to see the very units your opponent is playing, but you can also gain unbeatable info by just seeing army movements on the map. When to tech up, when to macro, when to fight. If you lack confidence in your play, maphacks removes that issue entirely. He told me after those games that he felt i was playing like a madman. I took every risk i possibly could, like i was playing as if i couldn't lose. There is no greater confidence boost than to remove the uncertainty of the fog of war. The top league of RTS games are good because they can understand whats in the fog of war without seeing it themselves. You remove that, then good players can be equally deadly.
I genuinely think, in an equal game. Maphacking will make you win pretty much 9 out of 10 games. Maybe a bit lower of you're trying to be subtle about it.
What I'm learning from HHH is that if I suspect my opponent of hacking then I should play a long standard game because that is what will compare skill rather than playing for a build order win.
I would think any well timed push would do considerable damage to hackers? Just don't do anything tricky? Don't proxy anything. Don't do any drops or harass.
I used to play Brood Wars. A lot of 4v4. I'd build a large army of dragoons. With as good macro as possible. Knowing about it wasn't any help. It didn't have any real weaknesses. I'd just add in zealots for terran. The enemy team would often ally me even if I lost because they were just like you didn't deserve to lose. I want you on my team. Lol. So even when I lost I would usually win.
5:43 Observer made right after he start cloacked banshee.
I would like way more first person from the accused Hacker when watching this in the first game for example it looked like he did move command the probe right to the proxy location as he did with the Stalker to the Starport.
From my maphacks experiment, which was mostly 3.5-5k players, I determined maphacks are worth, with 95% confidence, somewhere in [165.5, 812.3] additional mmr.
Also, all your further maphacks experiments should be done with my maphacks mode because it's an order of magnitude better than any other maphacks mod afaik
Map hacks are like looking at your brother's screen while you're playing Goldeneye.
Wait your brother tricked you into thinking he wasn’t looking?
The rumours i heard back in Hots was that middle mouse button could lock the camera while you were looking around in fog of war
The problem for map hackers is that of course they don't know how to respond to the information they see, because their skill level is much, much lower than their MMR would suggest. So map hacking basically puts silver league players into platinum, or gold into diamond but it doesn't mean they have the skills, and they don't if they did, hacking would put them into Master. Where they would be beaten by master level players who do have master level skills. So it's a funny thing really.
what many people seem to forget about low MMR hackers is that they're not even low MMR, they're even lower MMR players that get boosted into low MMR.
The amount of mistakes make for them to be unable to climb higher even with the use of cheats is very high.
You should always play your games to the end instead of guaranteeing your loss by leaving.
This series is awesome, but I have to say I really preferred the earlier episodes where it took pretty significant evidence before making the call that this is almost certainly a hacker. Even if there's some pre-production where we've identified a likely replay, it feels like a better exercise to approach with extreme caution. If not for the content itself, for the sake of the viewers. I feel like too many people are going to go out and start calling every strange occurrence a clear of of map hacking if we don't encourage skepticism.
If i don’t know the map very well then i sometimes just look into the fog of war at stuff. But that was still a bit sus
Harstem, my captain, please investigate the player named zed on the NA server in gold/silver leagues. I've played this hacker twice, and the replays show even more obvious map hacking than in your videos. I don't know why, but the report button isn't there when I've tried to report the hacker, so I fear they are using a version of map hack that prevents them being reported for it.
I know it's only metal league play, but it's just as frustrating to know that the scumbag is still out there ruining the game for people like me. He plays as terran in the 2 games I've played against him, and the replays show dozens of peeks through the fog of war, and lots of preemptive/predictive army movements.
Your my last hope of getting this guy out of the game. Please do what's right for all of us metal league'rs who love sc2
I am GGFU, I gonna send more replay of that second player to you, I played with him so many times. He is surely a hacker.
The reason I instantly leave is becasue I know the name of that guy, so I rage so much and don't want to play him.
You know you could win, but you know playing will only make your opponent happy to play the game.
You left the hacker in front of peoples the hacker cannot win against even with the help of map hacks by giving the hacker more MMR!
Genius move!
@@fox2code exactly
@@fox2code MMR has no meaning when people are using cheats. I applaud GGFU for reporting this to Harstem: keep m coming
@@fox2code I don't care, hackers need to be baned, I don't want to play with hacker.
@@owenthailand Looking forward to more replays from that guy, this series is fun to watch :)
The first map, he even started an observer right after ggfu started banshee cloak but didn't was too slow to cancel it
I met the first hacker in a 2v2 match the other day. It was so obvious, too. Even while playing the game. Had a moment like: "If he has a god observer, fair, else he's hacking."
Turned out he was hacking :P
New series idea: a diamond level tournament where only 1 player has map hacks. The other 7 do not know who it is. Cast the whole tournament as a best of 3 bracket.
Winner is who guesses mackhacker instead of winning the matches?
@@Wimpiethe3 You get points both for winning and for successfully guessing who the maphacker is.
@@LinchZhang the point is to see if map hacks really make that much of a difference in diamond.
Personally anyone that peeks into the fog is already prime suspect for hacker. I've played sc2 for years and I have never in those years just randomly clicked on fog with nothing there.
I played against GGFU a couple times, last time it was yesterday and that guy keeps being BM at everyone...
Had to pause to say: I really wanna see that experiment with 600 mmr diamonds. Really interesting imho. And hopefully not just one game or two, but some real numbers (dont have to do them all in the video) :)
EDIT: I am 3500 @ asia nowadays. Its mid diamond. I would participate in this, on either side :D
what we wanna see is you vs Clem or raynor with you using the maphack mod, really see how broken it'd be at the top level even when he does know you're seeing all that he's doing.
That already happened, tho w/ Serral not Reynor. Serral barely beat Harstem. Harstem stomped Clem.
LMAO the captain is drunk or blind if he only found 1 suspicious moment in the 2nd game.
Jinx stands for jinx
I don't even think once about blowing stuff up!
There are many many more map hackers in the metal leagues than in the masters. Judging by my replays it's like 1 in 5 games that my opponent takes peeks through the fog of war every few seconds
Thing about that first game, yes as you say GGFU was in a good position and probably shouldn't have left, but in the middle of the match he does not have the information you do. From his perspective he is fighting an uphill battle against someone who knows his every moves and can counter him every step of the way.
It is true that he doesn't have that bird's eye view, but I think there's a broader point, particularly with this guy, in that rage-quitting a game before you've really given it a chance to play itself out can lock you out of some easy wins. Although, not sure what we can expect from a guy who thought long and hard about it and decided that "GGFU" was the thing he wanted to represent his identity in an online game.
I dunno, I feel like the high key homophobia of GGFU kinda disvalidates this somewhat.
I mean, yea, he apologised for the flaming, but even when flaming there are certain standards that shouldn't be limboe'd under.
I'm a 2.3k player. I've maybe played 100 online games since release. I guarantee maphack would help me. But maybe that's because I watch your videos daily so I'd have an idea of how to react.
In that first game, the hacker went to build his first gateway and then insta queued his probe to go attack a scv
For the second one, at 3:04 (in game), do they move towards the reaper before it is in vision?
Yes, at 10:27 there is a click right next to the reaper a fraction of a moment before it comes into vision. It's clearly visible when played at 0.25 speed.
A proposition to rename this series into "Harstem's Hacker Hunt". Additional points to anyone who can nail this tongue twister first try.
Three words stating with H is a tongue twister?
@@ludvigericson6930 Power resides where men believe it resides
Challenge idea. How quick can you get an account banned by using high level knowledge to simulate hacking. Putting screen on likely positions in fog of war. Predicting moves to blind counter by comitting hard. Just be real sus.
I volunteer to be a low level diamond in a maphack experiment
In my opinion as a low-Diamond (3.1-3.2K): I would have a lot of trouble beating, say, 3.8K with maphack. My mechanics aren't up to it; the information would be nice but that's not enough. My chances would be better if they didn't know I had maphack--I might win occasionally because of failed cheeses. Still not high though. If they know I have maphack, they should just play standard and win.
Conversely, 2.3K with maphack is unlikely to beat me, due to deficient macro: I can just make a ton of units and come across the map in a straightforward way and win. I don't think it will matter much if I know or not. If I know, I won't cheese ZvP, which I otherwise do: but honestly the cheese would probably work even if they saw it coming. Making a roach-proof wall on the fly is hard for Gold, and they may not have the money.
Would love to participate in the experiment, if someone wants to run it!
As a low diamond player at the 3.2k mmr. I would most likely not benefit much for map hack.
The only benefit I think for a low level like me, would be if there was a proxy or something. So that you know it’s 12pool or proxy gate or proxy rax.
Maybe also being able to know how to steer Medivacs to avoid being seen.
I’d still just queue it up and loose it probably 😂
In the first game, dude rallied the probe immediately to the proxy rax after building the first gate. lol cmon
I've a diamond 2 maphack replay that I won, but it's about a year old.
9:10 can someone explain the screenlock thing? I do not understand Harstem's explanation.
My understanding is that the hack would stop the game from recording the peek in the replay file when they click on a fog of war area.
Like when you are looking at your base, then you click on the enemy's base, the hack would show the enemy's base to you, but it would also make sure that the saved reply is keep showing your base, and the view in the reply would only change again when the hacker clicks on a legally visible area or when they move the camera to a legally visible area. Basically hiding the screen peeks.
@@szabolcsmate5254 Ah, I see. Thanks!
500 mmr above me isnt enough. I'm 3300 toss and I've been playing a lot against my clanmates some of who are 3800-4400. And I can say 100% from my experience, loss of 3300 player isn't guaranteed, I remember winning game even on stream vs 4.1k player(a small tournament). It's pure luck, I'm not that good, but it shows, it's still not enough to exclude possibility of getting lucky.
bro's name is literally HAX
Harstem changes the names before showing it
harstem thinks that a guy that cannot anticipate what building he should build next and that he needs to keep buuilding drones, is somehow mindful enough to anticipate where the reaper will show up next, is kinda jaw-dropping xD 2nd guy -> hacks 100%.
Second guy is definitely maphacking but there was no reason to gg
the state of gaming we live in is actually sad. every game, no true test of skill anymore.
Why is there no link to submit hackers in title??
Noob question, what is with the 'XP' spam when you finish buildings? Why is that still a thing if it's irrelevant?
3000 mmr (NA) here and I’d love to see how hacking would impact my level.
How many map hackers get stomped because of information overload while their opponent plays the game?
The first time I ran into a map hacker was in WoL on that 4-player map Metalopolis (if anyone remembers that). I was only in gold league at the time and when I posted the replay in the official forums to report them, most just wrote it off with "lol why would someone map hack in gold league", which was really frustrating. But you watch the replay and it was very obvious, as watching it from his point of view he was constantly looking at my base. The most egregious was when I built a nydus worm in that small area at the back of the bases that was surrounded in those fumes. He didn't have any vision of that area, but he somehow knew immediately the moment it started building (this wasn't after you hear the nydus worm scream after it pops out, this was as soon as started to build). He then proceeded to attack my base with his entire army, which he somehow knew the position of without ever scouting even once (remember it was a 4 player spawn map). It was soooo obvious when you watched it. "Why would someone map hack in gold league" is a good question, but I guess map hackers need to start in the lower leagues and work their way up like everyone else does.
Low diamond eu zerg here, challenge excepted!
I feel like there needs to be a lot stronger evidence to accuse the second guy. It's hard to find enough evidence to properly accuse a hacker if you just die to early stalkers walking across the map
naaaaa man, he was hacking for sure
Harstem tries way too hard to be charitable instead of realistic, then upon review realizes saying they weren't necessarily hackers shows to be bonkers.
The expectations Harstem has towards hackers are wild. "Hacker sees proxy building - hacker must attack proxy building" is just a stupid idea in and of itself. They also should have a special "hacker" ID, add a "hacker" clan tag and have a link to a live stream with maphack shown for every game. That way nobody would suspect them.
the 2nd guy was confirm hacker.. he hit after confirming his odds of winning by comparing his and GGFU's units.. and proceeded to hit at the correct timing before the bunker was finished..
I am a low MMR Diamond player with a rank between 3.2k and 3.3k. I am confident that I can perform accurately with full information (I used to be a Master in WoL and then left until a few months ago). If you want someone to test your thesis, I am available.
@Harstem, my MMR is 2k. I believe that, at my level, map hacks really wouldn't help me very much at all. I believe your opinion is correct. Want to test it? I'll play 20 games with and without map hacks and we can look at my win % hahaha
oh no he reported the hacker. Game over for them. Good thing that blizzard really cares about their games and does a lot to fight these hackers
Your are wrong about not needing scouting or maphacks at low levels. The low levels are playing in a different meta-game which you are ignorant of; it is inferior to your level but that doesn't mean it's irrelevant, you just don't understand it.
point is if your getting cheesed and your playing an actual build order you will win anyway. Scouting is not needed at the lower level because the cheese would be so poor that actual build orders will hold the cheese regardless. At the lowest level. Not to mention a low level player has no idea what the opponents buildings or units are. How would a low level player see the difference between 18 hatch 18 pool versus 15 hatch 15 pool? Just a waste of time that could have been used macroing.
Why do you always keep giving so much benefit of doubt to these guys. A SINGLE peak into the fog directly onto their reaper is a 100% tell, there is literally zero doubt left. Watching you try to find reasons for this guy not to be hacking is legit frustrating.
Even the peaks into their natural just before moving the stalkers in are basically a sure tell. Why do you keep doing this?
Nobody hacks sc2. I thought i told you that already. 😒🙄🙄