Navy SEALs Break Down Their Tactical PCU's
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- Retired Navy SEALs Dorr and Coch take you on an exclusive journey, breaking down the intricacies of their PCU's they had deployed with. Gain unprecedented insights into the mission-critical gear that kept them mission-ready in the most challenging cold weather environments.
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“Snivel Gear” was the term everyone used... ‘87-‘92 infantry guy… we were blown away when we got the Gore-Tex and all the layers. Before that it was OD plastic rain suit or poncho over an M65, a woobie jacket liner and long underwear.
I enlisted in 81. We were still wearing pickle suits. Cold weather gear was long johns.
Itchy wool long John's, sweaters and Mickey Mouse boots. Still froze in Korea.
Snivel Gear… hadn’t heard that in a long time. (86 - 96)
That was one name for it, we also just called it cold weather gear, Gore Tex, poly pros. And that was 2005-2012
20-23 we still called it snivel gear at least in the 82nd
Coch gotta be coolest guy out there man no homo
We need a buddy cop movie with Coch and Dorr.
Being non-combat Army in the late ‘80’s….when we did important cold weather stuff like “fog guard” in freezing rain and -10 freezing fog, we used to just put on literally EVERYTHING we’d been issued. Regular cotton underwear, BDU’s, M65 jacket with that same liner Coch cut the sleeves off, PASGT flak vest, N3 Parka with the fur around the hood plus the matching over pants. Leather gloves, wool liners, and the mitts with the flip top so you could run a rifle. Still froze our butts off.
They came out with the Gore-Tex stuff right after I got out.🤣
Merino wool. Only way to stay warm and dry. Anti microbial. Commercial fish in winter, brutal cold/wind/wet
People really sleep on merino because it's expensive and they don't understand fabrics
YES! right? like, why is this not better known at this point??
Aussies have used merino wool for over 250 years
The company is ORC. That's the black bead symbol. It's the brand orc. Best and most expensive.
Polartec is an excellent US company that manufactures synthetic fabrics, especially variations of very effective fleece. AFAIK Polartec never supplied finished clothing. Southeastern Kentucky Rehabilitations Industries, Inc. (SEKRI) fulfills large DOD contracts for clothing and gear. The "pirate flag" is from Blackbeard's flag, Queen Annes' Revenge and is the logo of Orc industries, another high volume mil contract company. I think they had the contract for the first gen PCU gear. AFAIK early prototypes of PCU clothing were developed by Patagonia and once the designs were firm the contracts for large quantities went to bigger companies such as Orc or Sekri. North Face, Massif and Wild things also seemed to have had smaller developmental contracts.
Note the early level 5 pants had that black reinforcement on the inside, bottom, near the ankles. that was to protect the pants from ice crampons.
Dorr and Coch are a crackup! Interesting, informative, and hilarious content as always.
In the 80's we only had (cold weather)the M65 field jacket abd liner, long john's, wool socks, and the wooly pully sweater.
(Wet weather) poncho, 2 pieces OD Green rain suit. When I became a Sniper we cut up the rain suit, and glued them to our ghillie suits front of thighs, and elbows and forearms.
A black sharpie can make any white branding or thread black :P
Back when I was in the Corps, we had gear used in Korea and that was 76.
The poor corp... good things times changed Devil Dog
In 82 my rifle was from 1952.lol.
That's cool and interesting
Semper Fidelis- I was at Bridgeport in 76 after training with the Army in Alaska. Army was still using the Korea vintage gear in 76 too, at least in training. And Corps was still issuing the same Korean War gear 10 years later, at least for support personnel deploying to Norway.
The OD green sleep shirts and tan waffle tops were always my favorite.
I love watching you two ❤watching from England 🇬🇧
I was in a cold weather Marine unit back in the 90s....skis, snow shoes, dragging sleds. The gear was good for back then, no more shelter halves.
Thanks again for the practical historry
A Marine in the grunts use to tell his marines to take their undershirts off and just wear their woolly pullies sweater under their blouse. Then when they stopped put on their undershirts and their woolly pully then their blouse. This way you had something dry under your woolly pully. The woolly pully was made of wool and would keep you warm even it was wet. The woolly pully was the main thing I used to stay warm. I could keep it in my but pack, along with gloves and a watch cap. That would cover 95 percent of the field stuff I had to do. The M65 field jacket didn't keep the wind or the rain out, but better than nothing. You purchased your own thermals because the Corps wasn't going to give you shit. Now they do. You froze during the day, or keep moving. Your sleeping bag is where you warmed up and dried your cloths. However, the old sleeping bags you needed a tent. The new ones are great!!! The Bivy bag is great. Did you guys go to Bridge Port for training? I avoided that training like the plague. Great Video!!!
"Does the fabric matter"...Yep! Not only frame resistance but also 1) funk factor. The early and cheap stuff on civilian market STINKS to high heaven. Not that it matters a lot in combat but it does mean something. 2) low weight to hi durability ratio. Any avid outdoorsman or hunter knows that you can get big, bulky warm stuff...and it's cheap but sucks to move in. The higher end fabrics are surprisingly thinner and more comfortable yet still can take a beating.
funk factor matters. you don't want the enemy to smell you coming 😂😂😂😂. Remember they don't always have access to showers while on a mission. Can you just imagine the aroma after a week stewing and basting in their own juices? 😭😱
Early in the video some brown thermal pants were held up. I believe those are the early ECWS "polypro" fabric that would stink like crazy if worn too long or during sweaty activities.
Bridgeport was one of the best places that I learned about layering and how to stay warm in the cold honestly. Loved training there.
HooYah..cold weather training
Please never stop making these types of videos! Tons of good info and great conversation between the both of ya. 👍🏻👍🏻
Seen most of the vids you guys make and always love the "DIY" stuff you do to adapt existing equipment to real life scenario's.
Any chance of a tips and tricks episode where you show us some of the adaptations and ways of working you used.
Would be nice if it included some basic stuff too (ex. knife placement and connection to gear / uses of ranger bands / what to look out for in plate carrier setup so it doesn't restrict movement / etc.)
When I got to my first unit back in 2012, I was given an M65 field Jacket in UCP. Liked it so much, I bought another M65 in woodland, and picked up a liner for it as well. It's my go-to hunting and chore coat. Also, that lvl 4 windbreaker is awesome. I kept mine from CIF (it's multicam)
I'm glad this came into my feed. I have been researching what kind of newer stuff is out there. I spent 25 years layering in a combo of issued stuff, and personal stuff, for patrols that had gotten down to 20 below, and the wind chill getting down to 55 below. We had to figure out what went under the loadout, and what went over. It changed so many times over the years.
I'm going to look into the military "9" level system of eight different layering combos. Thanks for the video, and military math.
you're not kidding are you? bc I really want you to be kidding. I can barely get through 3 layers. If I had to do 9 levels and all of them flammable.... i'd be super unhappy.
This was the most entertaining video ever. I could not stop laughing just watching Dorr pull out dozens of sets of Patagonia and North Face gear and Coch is just staring at him in envy. I'm of the same era as Coch and we got a poncho and liner and that's all we needed to survive and thrive. In my day if it was cold you put on two t-shirts and you'd be fine. We had gear for snow but we never wore it because you couldn't move and if we weren't moving we were inside a tent standing around a bright red kerosene stove getting high off toxic fumes. Good times in the 80s! I had special gear for helicopter jobs because it got next level cold up there but really just normal BDUs and a rain poncho and you're plenty warm. The BDU jacket with liner and a rain jacket over that and you're sweating trust me. Gloves of course. Oh yeah we had the button on hoods with the fake fur. Those worked. And the blow up rubber boots with the air insulation. Lots of actual wool. I kept my shit in a foot locker for decades and finally tossed it all out in the last move. It was too ugly and got awful smelly to keep for sentimental sake.
An easy way to look at the layering system is 1-4...base layer, midlayer, insulation, outer shell. Good for most of the continuous 48, most of the time
Dorrs goofy smile in the thumbnail....priceless. reminds me of my nephew when he got to put on his snow suit to go play in the first snowfall of the season.
That set looks like it was issued like: "We don't actually know what works and what you need so here's everything, go figure out yourself" :D
Mid 70s into 80s USMC at Bridgeport and with Army at Ft. Greeley and Ft. McCoy, we were still using Korean War era gear. I guess the bunny boots are still in use. Some officers and staff NCOs had some Norwegian gear too. An aside, I picked up a wool field shirt unused on the surplus market. The shirt was made in 1953, older than I am. Makes a great spring/fall jacket these days.
I've got a level 3b jacket in multicam (my parents worked for Patagonia). Micropuff is insanely warm for it's weight. Great to get your take on how you guys used layering to not freeze to death/stay comfortable when static.
That's cool bro, don't hear that everyday,I bet you got some cool stuff
When I first joined the British army in the early 90s before we got good kit we were used then padded cold weather jackets we called them Chinese fighting jackets as they looked ever so slightly like the suits the Chinese wore in Korea
So most if not all the gear was Dorr(the pack rat) equipment. In Coches day was it just what Nana sent you in a care package. Some pumpkin pie and a cardigan?
My go-to from 60°-20°F is Crye pants with waffle bottoms in pack, level 1 top, 2 waffle tops (1 with sleeves cut off), level 5 top with a puffy in pack. Level 4 is worthless
If that puffy patagucci coat is the one i think it is, it was $1000 when it came out on the civilian market. Hold on to that sucker!!
You have colleagues to the north and in Scandinavia that live the cold environment . You even have Alaska to train and develop gear. By "you" I mean your former employer, great episode though. Wonder why the US and others have a desire to reinvent the wheel in theatre everytime war breaks out. Dont get me wrong, improvement is always great! But what is tested tried and proven over years sometimes is thrown to the curb because .
Excellent video. More are needed like this.
The dynamic duo: Coch & Dorr
Great video. Every time you lifted a new level of equipment. The look on Coch's face was the same as mine, damn you guys had a lot of cool s***. Retired in 94, in the seventies we had combat pants and combat wool liners, we were still rocking the Korea era wool shirts. In the early eighties when I purchased my first Gore-Tex jacket and pants was very warm noisy and expensive.
Love hearing how guys really used these in the field. I use the PCU system exclusively for winter sports and it’s phenomenal for that application. Seeing how y’all actually adapted it with 2nd line gear and combat in mind is really interesting. Great video!
Thanks Coch and Dorr! :) :us Dorr should have put on the bear suit.
I still have snowboarder hi tech long johns,& Jacket before all that came out,I made similar kit,then got a magazine breaking down Socom Arc'teryx ensemble
👏👏 love these sea stories thanks for sharing fellas
Field jacket liner plus poncho liner under camo and you're good to go!
COOl video! hahaha! Thank you brothers. Those underpants waffle coldweather gear are great, i use them for 20 years, same piece of kit, its always part of my coldweather kit! Enjoying you guys, thank you for the effort and stories and gear reviews coming from experience..
Katadyn BeFree filter is decent doesnt do as many liters before needing replaced but the flow is quick
Joined in 03 so I experienced the old stuff and the new stuff worked really good and I was in Alaska for 7 years and deployed to Afghanistan with it and it worked, the old stuff in my opinion sucked compared to the new stuff.
I really enjoy this kinda of off the wall info! Keep up the great content appreciate the effort of you guys putting out so much content.
like more than 50% of this gear is not from PCU system. All Patagonia stuff is MARS - Military Advanced Regulator System. And it's pretty cool, because regular PCU you can buy now like for $50-100, but this Patagonia level 7 is extremely rare and probably like $1000 if you can find it
That have Patagonia MARS items on eBay for sale often but like you said the prices are high. I also just learned that Patagonia using what they learned in 2005 from the MARS project they later on in 2015 continued on making a bunch of improvements and several additional pieces with more modern materials and technology. The 2015 continuation was called “The Lost Arrow Project” and are even harder to find and more expensive
I never bothered with the winter jackets. The goretex rain jacket was always my go to. During the winter months I’d just wear silkies or waffles and be warm enough.
Awesome 👍
I have been serving in the Ukrainian army for almost 27 years. This is my second winter wearing a full set of ECWCS Gen III, which I was forced to buy with my own money. These are the best things I wore in combat during my entire service and didn’t freeze my ass off in the cold 😁🤙🇺🇦.
9:55 real Viking on right
This is ALL the stuff I avoid to not make too much noise in the backcountry! ROFL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
OMG this it too funny!
Not only is Military issue procured from the low bidder.
ECWS is NOT the best you could do for yourself .
P.S.-
The U.S. Army issued an Alpaca poncho liner in the 1950s .
Good stuff. Thanks
I still have my black Polartech fleece
Shoot. That pile is like $12000 in civilian prices
I personally love my Patagonia combat pants Crye combat top all the way
The level 8 is soft shell material
Great Video!!!
The 9th layer is your skin with hair...🎯👈🏽
Thank you
Spoiler allert: All the synthetics are flammable. You need natural fibers :). Those are NOT flammable. Flammable is bad bc it makes you catch on fire easily. We had a whole scary video of that at all the camping stores (expect possibly cabela's :P).
We called the waffle shirt “the shirt of a thousand pillows” lol. 😂
PolarTec is an actual brand for the type of material like Goretex🇨🇦🏴☠️
Give it a few weeks and all the green camo may start changing colors slightly into a more brownish color too. This is a very funny upload. 😅😁
Oh golly gee I hope you guys dont get disowned by the prima donna Seal community. Seriously though, its nice to see you guys doing what you feel like doing.
level 8 is polar warm stuff
So jealous of how your guys get to keep your gear, the army wants all “TA-50” back minus stuff that touched your body which should be everything but it only comes down to uniforms, cargo pants, tops, combat pants (1 pair) I got issued, combat shirts, hats, and boots. Which is all the stuff you don’t want anymore once you’re out
Mostly COTS. Wish more military requirements were filled this way.
Go light, freeze at night. Be tougher. There’s enough other job stuff that guys have to carry. PCU level 7 or Happy Suit / Marshmallow suit / ECWCS Primaloft Sport insulated jacket and pants inside a bivy bag. You can get out the bivy and fight or simply roll over and start your watch. Typically, Don’t bother taking the sleeping bag, you won’t be sleeping much during situation normal anyway, not to mention if things go bad. The concept is, ideally you want to put on all the insulation that you carried in when you quit moving. Even when simply backpacking.
🎶 Meet me down by the railroad track, track. 🎶
FUCK YEAH COCH AND DORR!!!!!
Coch look jealous watching so many toys, but true is, that older "kids" who maybe have less toys, can play better!?
I found it somewhat surprising that the clothing discussed was all synthetic. Perfectly modern people (civilians) who unabashedly use synthetics (where they are best) buy military surplus outer layers but use wool or alpaca for base layers. These natural fibers don't sound "technical," but from a technical point of view are superior to synthetics. They keep you warm even after getting wet or sweaty, dry out quickly, and tend not to get stinky. In a combat environment I would definitely partake of official issue outer layers, but I'd buy my own woolen base layers.
TY T.H
Does the noisy nature of the of your 7-9 layers of your ''personal jungle" ever undermine the ''silent" part of your "silent professional" strategy? 😂😂😂😂
This is the funniest thing i've watched in a while!😂
Also field jackets liner😅
Wow!
warmies
Serious question: has anyone ever used the suspenders ''in combat" aka to un-alive the enemy? 😆
If you want a laugh, do an episode with British Army kit from 80s, 90s... it will only take 5 minutes 😂😂
At 8:47 is a image of a sniper rifle. Is that a 700/300 or an early Mk13?
Army rifle 7.62mm. m40?
Love coch he’s the man
CRYE!!!!!!!
Cotton Kills....
🔥
I still have some CABELA'S polyester base layers. Sadly those communists at Bass Pro Shops bought CABELA'S and that quality nosedived.
POLARTEC is the company that makes teh fibers and teh fleece. Other companies do the design and fabrication.
Learned a bit from Deadliest Catch?😅😂
Hunters can relate to this video
MMMMMMIIIIIICCCRRROOOOOO
CLIMATE😅
aka funk-climate 😅
So the short guy only gets to say 3 words.
And the Afgans still wore the man dress and sandles?
Surprised they aint writing books or making movies….I shot Road Runner, No I did, I fired first…No way man….😊
The question is, do you ever just catch him smelling your beard brush?
I think that guy is from Afghanistan and switched places with the real American dorr
Pcu good movie politically correct universities
No 👎 snival gear😢just freeze mickeymouse boots all day oorah!!!!!$%&_😅🎉
You know they are military when they don’t know how to spell coach.
Says a guy who can’t spell “here”
But they spell door correctly?
Another great video with my two favorite online Frogs 🐸🤿