@@jonathanbailey6503 Yes, but being "ruined financially" will still be just as bad - remember, Shelley's daughter is chronically ill in hospital, so he needs the money to pay for her - which is why he stole the leads.
It struck me as one unrealistic thing about this movie/ play: a big city police department wouldn’t dedicate a whole lot of time or resources to a property crime like this. You’d have a couple of uniforms come out at some point and take a report, but you wouldn’t have a detective down there all morning taking statements. Cops would think “some jag off real estate office got a bunch of paperwork and some phones ripped off in the middle of the night? Ah we’ll get there when we get there.” The DA would look at a guy like Shelly and think, sixty-something dad with (presumably) no prior record stole a bunch of paperwork from his employer? At best two years probation but more likely the DA’s office wouldn’t even take the case. He could still go on and work with Ricky. I doubt Roma would care about Shelly’s brush with the law and would probably admire the Machine for having the chautzpah to try it.
I was never that impressed by Jack Lemmon in the films he became famous for, though the Apartment is always a personal fave of mine - but this film made me reassess him completely. He was a truly great actor.
He wanted to wait around for the shit-show that was about to come down on him. My favorite scene in the whole movie was the scene where Lemmon comes into the mark's house from the rain and all the bullshit he's throwing at the mark. Classsic.
His son came into my work, at a video store, a lot in '92-'93. This was one of my favorite movies at the time and I would always ask him to bring his dad with him. He would say, "I promise... I promise!" They stopped in on the way to play golf a month later and I got a hug and an autograph. He was one of the nicest men ever!
@@smellypatel5272 Hollywood also doesn't make movies that encourages great acting skills no more. Today it's exclusively about the quick $ and the continuous milking of the retarded super hero genre. Back in the day you had to be versatile with great acting skills and experience to land big movies. Today it's enough to look good, be on steroids and have a lot of Instagram followers and that's the sad truth. Ironically enough Al Pacino's character says "We're members of a dying breed" in this clip, ofc. talking about something related to the movie, but this can be fast forwarded to 2022 and great actors like this wouldn't get big acting jobs simply because the movies that would utilize their talent isn't made today and nor would it generate money in todays superhero bs that we've had more and more of for the last 15 years or so.
In this one scene (sadly right at the end of the film) you see Roma has real heart. He didn't have to say any of that to Shelly, but he did and he just made an old man (who's probably about to go to jail) very happy. You wonder if Shelly could have turned himself around if Roma could have said that just 48 or even 24 hours earlier.
The final scene of the play is Roma explaining to Williamson how he was going to screw Levene over with this deal... I suppose that's the biggest difference between the play and the movie.
honestly he probably still would of done it. Him robbing the joint was out of desperation for his daughter. Just before the robbery he is on the phone with the hospital and they had canceled some type of care his daughter was getting then he said "I'll have the money tomorrow" I think that is when he decided to rob the office. but if Roma had said it to him a week ago he may have turned things around.
@@conorwellman8592 It would only need one good sale for him to turn himself around. The best way to get out of a sales slump is to make a sale. That's why I think 48 hours would have been enough. [SPOILER ALERT COMING...] Also, if you've watched the film, you hear Levene thinks he's closed the deal with the Nyborgs, and if that had happened a day or so before, while he was on that high, he probably would have closed more sales. Remember, he didn't know the sale wouldn't go through until Williamson tells him when Levene is trying to bribe him. I tried sales (I found I wasn't the right sort of person) and it's true, you get one sale, you're going to get another pretty quickly.
Poor Shelly is absolutely broken here with no life left in him. Roma puts in a great word and gives him a little boost before they put the cuffs on the old Machine. This movie is a Shakespearian tragedy.
Sad part was I was rooting for Shelley the entire time during the movie...It was heartbreaking to see that effing williamson was on top in the end. I wanted Shelley to become successful in the end.
@Jonathan Birch yeah i wish he shut up, seeing williamson got the last laugh just makes me wanna scream off my chair and throw my coffee mug shouting “ dammit shelley!!”
A very sad scene from an absolutely brilliant film. I have this and Wall Street as one of the best Hollywood films. The acting in this and depiction of your hardcore sales floor is spot on.
Two of my favorite actors in one great movie. Jack Lemmon was memorable in both dramas and comedies: "The Odd Couple," "The Great Race," "Missing," "Some Like It Hot," and "The China Syndrome." Al Pacino is an actor for the ages and I do not have to list the titles.
Don't forget Save the Tiger, besides Glengarry I think it's his best...he plays a fashion company owner who contemplates arson to save his business or rather cash out
I like it how compassionate it is. Strong contrast with the rest of the film's motive. Richard Roma, i.e the best, most succesful salesman is complimenting, and building up a co-worker's confidence that hadn't had a good time of it lately.
Roma is all those things, but he has self-awareness and pokes fun at himself for Levene's benefit. He likes George, he likes Levene... he hates Moss, the cop, and Williamson. He doesn't even show up to watch Baldwin's character because he knows the guy will be an asshole. His character has a duality, but overall is a good guy.
Jack was great in this movie. It's weird how oblivious people are of him today when he was one of the great Hollywood actors. Watch Save the Tiger and tell me that man isn't acting royalty. There's no-one like him around today and there will never be the likes of him again.
Exactly. The management knows it, doesn't care, just does what they are told. Even when they know it's complete bullshit. Sales is a cold cruel world. I'll never forget my boss at a telecommunications company I used to work with tell me that.
Levine was being deliberately fed the worst leads. ones that should have gone to the trash in fact. Williamson didn't like him, plus it was a vicious circle - good leads go to those who sell, and you're not selling because you're getting weak leads, so this results in more weak leads and thus the circle closes. Levine explicitly calls it out himself, but Williamson doesn't give a shit. it's implied that Levine used to be good salesman in the past - maybe he acted arrogantly, and Williamson is holding a grudge.
It's part of the scheme... Williamson and upper management probably just wanna get rid of Levene regardless but instead of outright firing him they do this "sales contest" bs then give him worthless leads that he has no chance of actually selling... lol
@@gordons-alive4940 maybe Roma meant that without the sale to James someone could *theoretically* surpass him on the board still (he also doesn't know that Levine's sale doesn't count). if Williamson didn't blow it, he would have secured the prize already. so he had that Cadillac for granted, but now it's only a good chance. it would make sense from his perspective as a salesman - things only matter once they're signing the contract. a good shot is just a shot.
Such a great and TRUE movie. I had a friend who was in used cars and the shit they slung was classic. Their best line is always, "I'll take the offer to my Manager and see what he says." Then he goes and takes a shit and returns with another amazing offer, never talking to his "Manager". Ha!
Yup. Thats why it takes 4 hours when you buy a car. They are trying to wear you down so you say "fuck it." As the customer always a good idea to say "we'll come back later." Tends to get them off the can quickly.
I wonder how many times it took them to get this scene done. We know it can't have been in one take because there's small continuity errors, but still, it shows how actors can do the same scene time and again, and still get all the feeling into it.
Shelly was so sincerely touched by Roma’s admiration and compliments. What a great actor. You can see in his face how much it meant to him, to be respected by his peer, knowing all the time he will be soon disgraced. Sigh.
Great scene. Yes he made Shelley happy. But there's a shallowness to his attention, as shown by how quick he moves away from the convo onto his sales call. Self-obsessed men showing glimpses of care.
At the end of the day, he still has a job to do, and he can't afford to babysit Shelley for long anyway. But, in just those few sentences he shows he has the heart to even spend a few seconds doing nothing but boost his colleague.
Roma is little more than a cheap used car salesman who would screw his own mother out of her life savings if it meant a good payday for him. Beware of people like him. They have little to offer except heartbreak.
Coffee, a drink across the street, a new phone, good leads/bad leads, time-wasting chit-chat with your fellow slaves, none of it changes a thing when you can't face your demons and close.
Old man, no priors ( guessing), under serious pressure in a totally crushing job with a sick daughter I think the Machine won't see inside of jail cell
The writer's intention with this scene (that encapsulates the movie) is to show the irony that being the admirable "dying breed" means being more mischievious. The new generation of ethical "burocreauts" are at a loss to the real art of sales and convincing.
"Ethical bureaucrats"? Williamson lies to Lynk (thinking he is helping Roma), he saves up bad leads for months and then hands them to the sales force... that's hardly ethical. I think Roma is just so pi**ed off because he goes out there, he works hard, he gets sales (in the same bar, at the same time as the others are bitching about not selling, Roma meets, builds up a relationship with, and sells to Lynk), then it blows up in his face by Williamson speaking out of turn.
25 years working in AND owning medium-large sales businesses - - some of it in Chicago. I can say this movie was 80% REAL....I feel I've worked with all those guys lol. The Baldwin sales meeting? Very very real back in the day.
Roma loses a sale so he's down to 80 grand and Shelly just sold 8 units fo 80 g's. "I don't know why?" Notice how he decides to work with Shelly only after he ties him on the board?
Nice catch. Actually, in the original play (which you can find on YT), the play ends with Roma discussing with John how John should keep giving Roma the best leads and the other colleagues the shit leads. So Roma and John are working together behind everyone's back. I'm glad they cut it from the movie though, I'd like to think Roma is a friend of Shelly.
Something is so sad about this scene. The music made it felt like it’s all coming to an end (as the film is ending). The ride is over. Our protagonist is gonna be locked away for ages.
I guess its obvious but I haven't seen it mentioned that at the end Roma is literally pitching Levene to become his partner so they can strike out independently together, just like Moss and Aranow dreamed about doing and Jerry Graff had done. Levene's losing streak really might've been over had he just wanted another 24 hours.
Best part about this is that I don't even remember this scene or when it occurs in the movie, but it's obviously either right before Levene rips the place off or right before he gets caught. You can tell he's delighted but is seriously distracted by something.
Continuity wasn't top of the importance list in this film. Just look again at the very beginning of this clip, Shelly sits down, turns to his desk, gets his glasses out, pulls a pad over, we assume starts to write something. Then when Roma says "It's not a world of men, Machine!" Shelly turns to him, glasses not even in sight. Then a few seconds later we see Shelly again, glasses on, and going to write something on a pad.
Roma absolutely knew the Machine did the robbery, and was giving him insincere praise, which Shelley believed, because he *needed* to believe it. At the end of the day, Roma was just making another sale, because he was the real machine.
@@JerryMetal If you watch Roma near the end when he brushes off a question about the robbery, it's the only time he shrugs off a direct question with "I don't know" when asked about who might be responsible. Earlier, he angrily says "I hope you did" about Spacey and says he'll gladly help the detective with information...but that's typical Roma bluster. He knows better. Later, he's no longer pointing the finger at Spacey, because he's figured it out and *doesn't* want to help the cops...and the best he can do for Shelley is to stroke his ego one last time before the curtain falls for The Machine. This is all implied, of course, but it's there in the subtext. Roma knows, and he acts accordingly.
It’s possible because Roma was mesmerized in the earlier scene when Shelly told Williamson that he got up and closed the Nyborgs that morning because the previous story had Shelly telling Roma that he and the Nyborgs had drink after inking the contract…so Roma was suspicious when he heard Shelly’s morning close. He might gave been adding it in his head that Shelly was involved…
@@hymansahak181 It's almost certain that Roma knows the sale is no good when he hears the name "Nyborg." Because the leads are recycled, it's possible they *all* have had to visit the Nyborgs at some point, as Roma refers to them as "Harriet and Blahblah Nyborg," in a way that indicates everyone knows them. From the time he hears "Nyborg," he likely starts putting the scenario together in his head...Shelley was down last night, the office gets burgled, Shelley's extremely jazzed today, he says he closed the Nyborgs this morning...this doesn't add up, he's got to be thinking.
The best part of Pacino's character is through the entire film you think "this guy is a badass". Then at the end you realize that you've heard that annoying bloodsucking salesman voice at least a dozen times a week. Well maybe not for anyone born after the millennium. Everything is automated now.
What'd you expect? Humans vs. Nature? Nature wins. Nature vs. Nurture? Still Nature wins. We can only best ourselves because we KNOW nature will always have the upper hand. Go bird-watching if you seek peace...or buy a timeshare haha!
The writing...the acting.
A work of art.
Heartbreaking scene. You can see Roma just made Shelley's day...and now he's going away for probably at least 7 years
"Think I'll stay around a while."
These days....he will just be fired. Companies don't have time for that anymore.
nahhhh probably slap on a wrist without a record but he would be ruined financially
@@jonathanbailey6503 Yes, but being "ruined financially" will still be just as bad - remember, Shelley's daughter is chronically ill in hospital, so he needs the money to pay for her - which is why he stole the leads.
It struck me as one unrealistic thing about this movie/ play: a big city police department wouldn’t dedicate a whole lot of time or resources to a property crime like this. You’d have a couple of uniforms come out at some point and take a report, but you wouldn’t have a detective down there all morning taking statements. Cops would think “some jag off real estate office got a bunch of paperwork and some phones ripped off in the middle of the night? Ah we’ll get there when we get there.” The DA would look at a guy like Shelly and think, sixty-something dad with (presumably) no prior record stole a bunch of paperwork from his employer? At best two years probation but more likely the DA’s office wouldn’t even take the case.
He could still go on and work with Ricky. I doubt Roma would care about Shelly’s brush with the law and would probably admire the Machine for having the chautzpah to try it.
Everyone was so amazing in this film. What a treat to watch these masters of the craft at the top of their game.
Indeed
Facts
jack lemmon is so great. The despair in his face, the quivering way he says "think i'll stay around here for awhile"
I was never that impressed by Jack Lemmon in the films he became famous for, though the Apartment is always a personal fave of mine - but this film made me reassess him completely. He was a truly great actor.
@@jonathanwarner1844 I also liked him with Sandy Dennis in The Out of Towners
He wanted to wait around for the shit-show that was about to come down on him. My favorite scene in the whole movie was the scene where Lemmon comes into the mark's house from the rain and all the bullshit he's throwing at the mark. Classsic.
His son came into my work, at a video store, a lot in '92-'93. This was one of my favorite movies at the time and I would always ask him to bring his dad with him. He would say, "I promise... I promise!" They stopped in on the way to play golf a month later and I got a hug and an autograph. He was one of the nicest men ever!
Real men of culture, we meet again.
I like to think of this as one great acting generation saluting another great acting generation.
Too bad the latest generation doesn't have actors like these. Instead they're all diversity hires or put there by nepotism.
@@smellypatel5272 Hollywood also doesn't make movies that encourages great acting skills no more. Today it's exclusively about the quick $ and the continuous milking of the retarded super hero genre. Back in the day you had to be versatile with great acting skills and experience to land big movies. Today it's enough to look good, be on steroids and have a lot of Instagram followers and that's the sad truth. Ironically enough Al Pacino's character says "We're members of a dying breed" in this clip, ofc. talking about something related to the movie, but this can be fast forwarded to 2022 and great actors like this wouldn't get big acting jobs simply because the movies that would utilize their talent isn't made today and nor would it generate money in todays superhero bs that we've had more and more of for the last 15 years or so.
@@smellypatel5272 Boy, you really love this movie!
@@smellypatel5272 I disagree that there are no actors like these, but I agree with your larger point.
Exquisite acting.
Al spreadin the love. We all need a little validation now and then in tough times.
In this one scene (sadly right at the end of the film) you see Roma has real heart. He didn't have to say any of that to Shelly, but he did and he just made an old man (who's probably about to go to jail) very happy.
You wonder if Shelly could have turned himself around if Roma could have said that just 48 or even 24 hours earlier.
The final scene of the play is Roma explaining to Williamson how he was going to screw Levene over with this deal... I suppose that's the biggest difference between the play and the movie.
I like how he's making the most in the office but he invites Shelly to come and watch him eat!! Lol ...doesn't offer to buy him lunch!
@@bigtip8371 I noticed that too.
honestly he probably still would of done it. Him robbing the joint was out of desperation for his daughter. Just before the robbery he is on the phone with the hospital and they had canceled some type of care his daughter was getting then he said "I'll have the money tomorrow" I think that is when he decided to rob the office. but if Roma had said it to him a week ago he may have turned things around.
@@conorwellman8592 It would only need one good sale for him to turn himself around. The best way to get out of a sales slump is to make a sale. That's why I think 48 hours would have been enough.
[SPOILER ALERT COMING...]
Also, if you've watched the film, you hear Levene thinks he's closed the deal with the Nyborgs, and if that had happened a day or so before, while he was on that high, he probably would have closed more sales. Remember, he didn't know the sale wouldn't go through until Williamson tells him when Levene is trying to bribe him.
I tried sales (I found I wasn't the right sort of person) and it's true, you get one sale, you're going to get another pretty quickly.
"Think I'll stay around a while." The irony is just too much to bear!
Poor Shelly is absolutely broken here with no life left in him. Roma puts in a great word and gives him a little boost before they put the cuffs on the old Machine. This movie is a Shakespearian tragedy.
Sad part was I was rooting for Shelley the entire time during the movie...It was heartbreaking to see that effing williamson was on top in the end. I wanted Shelley to become successful in the end.
@Jonathan Birch yeah i wish he shut up, seeing williamson got the last laugh just makes me wanna scream off my chair and throw my coffee mug shouting “ dammit shelley!!”
'We are the members of a dying breed' - the writing is so brilliant! omg.
David Mamet also wrote Heist (Gene Hackman+Delroy Lindo and *State and Main*
This movie has such an amazing Dialogue! Classic !
Thanks to David Mamet.
Every single MANnerism and mannerism is astounding to behold. Give anybody that script and they couldn't create the masterpiece that Pacino does here.
Lemmon said he couldn’t imagine anyone else in that film
And I would agree with him. @@natnaelberhanu-i8w
A very sad scene from an absolutely brilliant film. I have this and Wall Street as one of the best Hollywood films. The acting in this and depiction of your hardcore sales floor is spot on.
Two of my favorite actors in one great movie. Jack Lemmon was memorable in both dramas and comedies: "The Odd Couple," "The Great Race," "Missing," "Some Like It Hot," and "The China Syndrome." Al Pacino is an actor for the ages and I do not have to list the titles.
Don't forget Save the Tiger, besides Glengarry I think it's his best...he plays a fashion company owner who contemplates arson to save his business or rather cash out
Days of wine and roses
Had never seen Lemmon before this...was my fav performance of nay actor ever i think was blown away...second to Pacino in Scarface
Alan Arkin is pretty awesome too. Have you seen The In-Laws? or Grosse Point Blank? He's terrifying Wait Until Dark.
The Front Page is another one of his brilliant comedies.
I like it how compassionate it is. Strong contrast with the rest of the film's motive. Richard Roma, i.e the best, most succesful salesman is complimenting, and building up a co-worker's confidence that hadn't had a good time of it lately.
Roma is all those things, but he has self-awareness and pokes fun at himself for Levene's benefit. He likes George, he likes Levene... he hates Moss, the cop, and Williamson. He doesn't even show up to watch Baldwin's character because he knows the guy will be an asshole. His character has a duality, but overall is a good guy.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie Selling crappy property to gullible people? Not good.
@@Ragitsu That's subjective.
@@TheKitchenerLeslie That's a useless comment.
@@Ragitsu Opinions... lol
This movie is underrated…..It should have won an Oscar…..The best
Jack was great in this movie. It's weird how oblivious people are of him today when he was one of the great Hollywood actors. Watch Save the Tiger and tell me that man isn't acting royalty. There's no-one like him around today and there will never be the likes of him again.
DidYaServe I’ve been wanting to watch ‘Save the Tiger’ for years!
he was voted number one favorite star on IMDB.
If the Nyborg's were insane, why were they even given such leads. It means the leads were actually weak. Feels bad for Shelley and the other salesmen.
Exactly. The management knows it, doesn't care, just does what they are told. Even when they know it's complete bullshit. Sales is a cold cruel world. I'll never forget my boss at a telecommunications company I used to work with tell me that.
greyfox37 yea but if the company csnt make money on the shit leads, why would they use them? Makes no sense. It’s a weakness in the script.
@@ranchump You'd be surprised at how good management is at sabotaging their own business
Levine was being deliberately fed the worst leads. ones that should have gone to the trash in fact. Williamson didn't like him, plus it was a vicious circle - good leads go to those who sell, and you're not selling because you're getting weak leads, so this results in more weak leads and thus the circle closes. Levine explicitly calls it out himself, but Williamson doesn't give a shit. it's implied that Levine used to be good salesman in the past - maybe he acted arrogantly, and Williamson is holding a grudge.
It's part of the scheme... Williamson and upper management probably just wanna get rid of Levene regardless but instead of outright firing him they do this "sales contest" bs then give him worthless leads that he has no chance of actually selling... lol
“Jag off John opens his mouth, blows my Cadillac” but Roma is still on top on the board.
Yeah, I didn't get that either. he had a big lead. Were there other offices they were up against as well?
@@gordons-alive4940 maybe Roma meant that without the sale to James someone could *theoretically* surpass him on the board still (he also doesn't know that Levine's sale doesn't count). if Williamson didn't blow it, he would have secured the prize already.
so he had that Cadillac for granted, but now it's only a good chance. it would make sense from his perspective as a salesman - things only matter once they're signing the contract. a good shot is just a shot.
maybe minimum? or with the contracts stolen?
There's multiple sales offices, Baldwin comes from "downtown" so this board is most likely not the only board.
There is probably some kind of stipulation. Like you have to sell over $100,000 to qualify especially if they are giving away a Cadillac.
it is a world of clock-watchers, bureaucrats and office holders.
It is a world of men bragging about who they think they are; BS on every corner. limp wristed geeks; no real men left
@@scratch67golfer Exactamundo.
The US Congress!
The guy setting up the phone has the best job in this scene.
That lucky bastard
So vastly underrated.
Such a great and TRUE movie. I had a friend who was in used cars and the shit they slung was classic. Their best line is always, "I'll take the offer to my Manager and see what he says." Then he goes and takes a shit and returns with another amazing offer, never talking to his "Manager". Ha!
Yup. Thats why it takes 4 hours when you buy a car. They are trying to wear you down so you say "fuck it." As the customer always a good idea to say "we'll come back later." Tends to get them off the can quickly.
I wonder how many times it took them to get this scene done. We know it can't have been in one take because there's small continuity errors, but still, it shows how actors can do the same scene time and again, and still get all the feeling into it.
Tthere are no continuity errors.
Levine acting like a sentenced man who's gonna be taken to the gallows pole in 30 minutes
Shelly was so sincerely touched by Roma’s admiration and compliments. What a great actor. You can see in his face how much it meant to him, to be respected by his peer, knowing all the time he will be soon disgraced. Sigh.
Yes but Roma says want to swing round and see Me eat? He didn't even offer Levine the Machine a meal.
A whole office... not a screen in sight. It was a very different time.
You don't need screens when you have new leads... Glengarry Leads
Great movie then in '92 as was unforgiven..
Great scene. Yes he made Shelley happy. But there's a shallowness to his attention, as shown by how quick he moves away from the convo onto his sales call. Self-obsessed men showing glimpses of care.
At the end of the day, he still has a job to do, and he can't afford to babysit Shelley for long anyway. But, in just those few sentences he shows he has the heart to even spend a few seconds doing nothing but boost his colleague.
I think he knew Shelley did the robbery.
I agree, because he says "I should have said something... I don't know why I didn't".
@@joeinreallife6293 I agree with you 100%.
Roma is little more than a cheap used car salesman who would screw his own mother out of her life savings if it meant a good payday for him. Beware of people like him. They have little to offer except heartbreak.
that feeling when you know you're completely fucked in trouble
Coffee, a drink across the street, a new phone, good leads/bad leads, time-wasting chit-chat with your fellow slaves, none of it changes a thing when you can't face your demons and close.
That line delivery of "Levene?...Can you come in here, please?" Is so depressing. You know he's done.
Old man, no priors ( guessing), under serious pressure in a totally crushing job with a sick daughter I think the Machine won't see inside of jail cell
Such smart and insightful remarks everyone. I’m honored to be in your company.
The writer's intention with this scene (that encapsulates the movie) is to show the irony that being the admirable "dying breed" means being more mischievious. The new generation of ethical "burocreauts" are at a loss to the real art of sales and convincing.
Yeah it's very "art of the deal".
"Ethical bureaucrats"? Williamson lies to Lynk (thinking he is helping Roma), he saves up bad leads for months and then hands them to the sales force... that's hardly ethical.
I think Roma is just so pi**ed off because he goes out there, he works hard, he gets sales (in the same bar, at the same time as the others are bitching about not selling, Roma meets, builds up a relationship with, and sells to Lynk), then it blows up in his face by Williamson speaking out of turn.
It's interesting that Roma laments the loss of real men while an unacknowledged man goes about doing real work.
It’s a world of snitches, boot lickers, backstabbers what it is.
"The wolf is at ole Gill's door..."
I think Roma knew shell did it's trying to cheer him up.
25 years working in AND owning medium-large sales businesses - - some of it in Chicago. I can say this movie was 80% REAL....I feel I've worked with all those guys lol. The Baldwin sales meeting? Very very real back in the day.
Tony Roma should go across the street and work for Jerry Graff...screw Mitch&Murray
This movie made one of my fellow old-timer salesman 'depressed'. When I asked why, he responded "I don't want to end up like Levine"....!
Where is he now? How's he doing?
@@dangholam1 He ended up like Levine...
Roma loses a sale so he's down to 80 grand and Shelly just sold 8 units fo 80 g's. "I don't know why?" Notice how he decides to work with Shelly only after he ties him on the board?
Nice catch. Actually, in the original play (which you can find on YT), the play ends with Roma discussing with John how John should keep giving Roma the best leads and the other colleagues the shit leads. So Roma and John are working together behind everyone's back.
I'm glad they cut it from the movie though, I'd like to think Roma is a friend of Shelly.
Shelley " The Machine" Levine!
This scene is what they call "the thinning of the herd" in cold call sales...
He’s getting organized IYKYK lmao 0:27
Pacino’s best performance of all time. Don’t @ me.
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Dog day afternoon would like a word
Guys, guys, I think you're forgetting a little film called Jack and Jill.
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It wasn’t.
Something is so sad about this scene. The music made it felt like it’s all coming to an end (as the film is ending). The ride is over. Our protagonist is gonna be locked away for ages.
David Mamet is the best!
It's a brutal film...and it's all governed by greed, control, and power. Capitalism at it's worst.
Yep the dark side, and every system has one.
@@stevem2323 This particular system is primarily dark.
@@Ragitsu Nope, you haven't see the real dark then.
@@stevem2323 ...?
@@Ragitsu What's not clear?
This movie is so awesome. The only thing missing is a scene involving both Roma and Blake. I'd love to see those two go toe-to-toe.
God that would have been so awesome.
I doubt it would have worked. Both characters were too similar.
Rob Hill No reason. The speech wasn’t for Roma. Even if the did interact it be a head nod. Not what you’d expect.
@@SuperImmunologist Exactly.
"Nice job, you get it. You know how to CLOSE!"
@Conman89 Whatever would have happened. Roma would have been diplomatic not taking any sides.
Love that scene
The only honest, real man in this whole movie is the one fixing the phones.
Keep your friends close...and the jag-offs closer.
I guess its obvious but I haven't seen it mentioned that at the end Roma is literally pitching Levene to become his partner so they can strike out independently together, just like Moss and Aranow dreamed about doing and Jerry Graff had done. Levene's losing streak really might've been over had he just wanted another 24 hours.
PATEL?
RAVIDAM. PATEL??!
Where you get this from the morgue?
Money in a matress
Best part about this is that I don't even remember this scene or when it occurs in the movie, but it's obviously either right before Levene rips the place off or right before he gets caught. You can tell he's delighted but is seriously distracted by something.
Notice how Leviene didn't touch his phone but the cord from the handset to the phone is moved in the final shot. Continuity dropped the ball.
Continuity wasn't top of the importance list in this film. Just look again at the very beginning of this clip, Shelly sits down, turns to his desk, gets his glasses out, pulls a pad over, we assume starts to write something. Then when Roma says "It's not a world of men, Machine!" Shelly turns to him, glasses not even in sight. Then a few seconds later we see Shelly again, glasses on, and going to write something on a pad.
This is easily one of the most funny movies I have ever seen.
0:12 Dan Pena would agree with you there sir.
I love this movie.
I also know that millennials can be accused of being snowflakes.
I also know that the older "breed" wasn't that much different.
Even more poignant in today's fucked up world
this scene is getting even more relevant day by day.
“dying breed”
@@HoNoRey Not really. Every generation laments the same thing.
Isn't that that guy from 'Gilligans Island'.
Why did lemon' s character turn him down for a free lunch?
He didn't offer to buy him a free lunch but said he could watch him eat. Also Shelly knew he was going to jail and the cops were coming.
@@brucef310 If it was not implied by him that he would BUY him lunch , then he is arrogant and imo, also vulgar.
Leaving the office will make the police think he's trying to run from them.
Watch me eat , not that I’ll buy you lunch am on hot streak but you can watch me eat ?
Ugh, just sitting there knowing he’s going to jail and theses nothing he can do about it.
Go create your own leads. Don’t rely on anyone for anything..
Roma absolutely knew the Machine did the robbery, and was giving him insincere praise, which Shelley believed, because he *needed* to believe it.
At the end of the day, Roma was just making another sale, because he was the real machine.
True, but he still done a good deed in the process. There's a hint of admiration in there.
What gives Shelly away? How can Roma know Shelly robbed the place? I've never known that!
@@JerryMetal If you watch Roma near the end when he brushes off a question about the robbery, it's the only time he shrugs off a direct question with "I don't know" when asked about who might be responsible.
Earlier, he angrily says "I hope you did" about Spacey and says he'll gladly help the detective with information...but that's typical Roma bluster. He knows better.
Later, he's no longer pointing the finger at Spacey, because he's figured it out and *doesn't* want to help the cops...and the best he can do for Shelley is to stroke his ego one last time before the curtain falls for The Machine.
This is all implied, of course, but it's there in the subtext. Roma knows, and he acts accordingly.
It’s possible because Roma was mesmerized in the earlier scene when Shelly told Williamson that he got up and closed the Nyborgs that morning because the previous story had Shelly telling Roma that he and the Nyborgs had drink after inking the contract…so Roma was suspicious when he heard Shelly’s morning close. He might gave been adding it in his head that Shelly was involved…
@@hymansahak181 It's almost certain that Roma knows the sale is no good when he hears the name "Nyborg." Because the leads are recycled, it's possible they *all* have had to visit the Nyborgs at some point, as Roma refers to them as "Harriet and Blahblah Nyborg," in a way that indicates everyone knows them.
From the time he hears "Nyborg," he likely starts putting the scenario together in his head...Shelley was down last night, the office gets burgled, Shelley's extremely jazzed today, he says he closed the Nyborgs this morning...this doesn't add up, he's got to be thinking.
GET IN THE ROOM...
What is he complaining about? He is obviously leading the contest. Who is he threatening him? Shelley?
The best part of Pacino's character is through the entire film you think "this guy is a badass". Then at the end you realize that you've heard that annoying bloodsucking salesman voice at least a dozen times a week. Well maybe not for anyone born after the millennium. Everything is automated now.
fight club
Jagoff...lol chicago slang
Ricky roma kinda reminds me of trump
So did roma know that shelly robbed the place?
Nope. He later says "I hope it was you who ripped off the joint" to Williamson, implying he didn't know.
I wish de Niro nd pacino met and starred in something great, heat is shit and I'd rather not give righteous kill any attention
What about *The Irishman* (I haven't seen yet)
@@apurugganan wow after seeing this comment I got my wish the Irishman is terrific lol
Did you just say Heat is shit? Are you out of your mind?
@@el34glo59 some people eh?
What were they selling? Hate these plays .just humans vs humans.
What'd you expect? Humans vs. Nature? Nature wins. Nature vs. Nurture? Still Nature wins. We can only best ourselves because we KNOW nature will always have the upper hand. Go bird-watching if you seek peace...or buy a timeshare haha!
They were selling off the plan properties
They were selling property. Bad property. That was one of the reasons that the leads were stolen in the first place.
Property ya clown.haha
You fool