USB Ground Loop Sound Interference Solved
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I knew this was gonna give up the solution when i saw that great big smile in the thumbnail lol
Wow. That's a very significant difference! I have a similar issue with my OP-Z and my modular *IF* the computer (USB MIDI) and audio interface are connected simultaneously. On their own, just audio out into the audio interface, everything is normal. One huge benefit of old school 5-pin DIN MIDI: It has isolation built in, so I've been using that as an option when possible. I'll give this gadget a try though, as it would be far more convenient to use USB MIDI.
The funny thing is that it costs pennies to put isolation circuits in USB ports/cables but a lot of companies don’t do it and you end up with this interference.🙄
I had the same problem but as soon as I took my USB coming from my audio interface and plugged it into the USB that supplies power the one that acts like a charging port the problem went away. Make sure your computer comes with a dedicated USB charging port. Clean audio no noise anymore👌
Thank you so much! I am having ground issues with streaming on mixlr, I found out it’s because I take the audio from the laptop I’m using and route it into the interface. You posted a link to the headphone isolator, and I can’t wait to try it out. I appreciate you
I hope it all works for you!
It's almost like a cricket sound lol....makes me bonkers! Thanks for this
LARKS TONGUE! Oh i'm so happy I found a solution to my problem from a fellow Crimsonite!
It's all lies, I've never been a fan of that band...
I'm not sponsored by this co but my Arturia KSP 37 came with a ground loop isolator. Saved having to buy one. B. 😊
Arturia are a great company and they can build those circuits into their products for the cost of pennies.
I have a similar problem when I play videogames on my pc. It makes a deep hum through my audio interface.
Somehow I found that lowering my pc internal volume(at around 10) and increasing my audio interface volume(turning the volume knob at 3 o'clock) gets rid of that hum.
It might work for somebody else.
Similar noise on a USB-powered Arturia KeyStepPro when connecting CV/Gate outs to a SH-101 and MicroMoog. Forever just figured it was the old gear, but I'll give this recommended gizmo a go.
I have this issue now with a Roland Fantom 08 plugged into a PC. Thanks for making a video about it!
Thanks for commenting, hopefully it might help solving your problem! 👍
Rolands are renowned for it. Roland support say attached earth wire to keyboard and metal table leg. Cheaper than £60 for a dongle that is not usb 3.2 compliant. I have 10 usb keyboards thats £600 i wont be spending.
I have been dealing with this issue for a couple years and was at my end of it, nearly ready to part off my pc and start over with new components in the hopes of correcting this loud horrible hiss and whine. I obviously have known of this product and could not bring myself to drop the expense of such a tiny simplistic device. Then the Covids hit and shut down the likelihood of obtaining practically anything to complete an all new pc build so I bit the bullett (the Rye kind spelling correct lol) and dropped $50 for a Hail Marry attempt and I'll be , it works wonderfully. As of this writing it's been only five minutes since but had to let folks know, a real world person bought it and wow - total silence no noise at all, crystal clear voice through the mic and all other audio is perfect. Now the best part of all, No setup files to download, No playing around trying different usb ports, I used the one that my DAC plugs into not sure if it mattered but seemed logical. Just plug and play noiseless audio joy, trying to be less hard headed!!!!! If wondering I bought on Amazon with the dang additional $50 power supply and don't even care that I payed way too much, totally worth it friends.
I’m so glad that this was able to solve your problem. It is the type of issue that can lead to madness as you try to figure out the cause. 😳
Is the female part connected to the host? And the male connected to the slave?
Host and slave? 🤪 The pointy bit goes in the computer and your usb device plugs into the filter. 👍
We were experiencing this awful noise with our USB connection to an Allen & Heath mixer. Ordered the device and the problem was instantly solved - thanks for making this video!
I’m glad to be of help! 👍
My Tascam US-1800 is just absolutely howling with digital noise through my monitors, and it's very consistent with EMI issues through USB. I am DEFINITELY going to give this a try and will follow up if it works!
Look forward to hearing if it works out for you!
@@DarrenLockMusic So I managed to find an IFI Defender+ on B&H, and unfortunately it doesn't kill the noise completely. It does lessen it, but not to the degree where listening is comfortable. I am looking into other solutions pertaining to my PC itself as to ground it on a component level, but other than that there isn't a whole lot I can do. Hopefully once I figure that out maybe the Defender+ will have a more significant effect.
It could be interference on your electricity supply. You might want to try your setup somewhere else and see if that has any effect on the interference.
@@DarrenLockMusic Good news! I managed to solve the problem with some direct boxes set to lift.
Yay!
wow thanks a lot. ordered one immediately. I hope it'll work!
I hope it works too! 👍
It works great! I got the red Amazon one since it was USB 3. No more hum or noise. (I plugged it in directly on the computer and plugged my USB hub to it. Anything that made noise is now silent).
Iv noticed it with my usb mixer and I'm getting Roland S1 and t8 and they are bad for it
finally! a real solution to the problem! thanks!
Glad it helped!
Will be ordering one of these today as my mic has a lot of white noise and has buzzing whenever i pick up my phone when it's plugged in. Really annoying when i'm in a call and have to remember to mute myself before checking my phone haha. Also you have the same tower fan as me B)
That might not be USB interference...
So have you ordered yours @nafenX ?
thanks for this great tip
my setup:
1. Scarlett 2i2 Digital Audio Interface plugged into USB-A (Dell XPS 15 laptop)
2. NUX NPK-10 Digital Piano send/receive MIDI over USB-B to USB-A (Dell XPS 15 laptop)
3. NUX NPK-10 Digital Piano line out L + line out R over 2x TS mono unbalanced cables to two inputs of Scarlett 2i2 Digital Audio Interface
my issues:
1. ground loop hum / hiss when pre amp gains are over 50% and the monitoring headphones are over 50% level (that is truly annoying)
I can reduce the gains and/or monitoring headphones level so that I can no longer hear the hum, but is that a solution? when I amplify the relatively low signal in Digital Audio Workstation, the hum is amplified and noticeable anyway.
2. when I plug in the USB-B (piano) to USB-A (laptop) to record MIDI, that MIDI transmission generates ridiculous noise, which follows the played notes rhythm, which means as MIDI is sending / receiving, the horrible square waveform noises are overlapping the audio signal, AND recorded as audio as well.
when I record just Audio, without the MIDI notes, the recording quality is "acceptable" IF NOT the hum described above in (1)
however I WANT to record BOTH Audio and MIDI tracks, so that I can modify the MIDI notes if needed, quantise them etc.
then I can send corrected MIDI back to the piano and ask it to play back Audio for me, so I can record it again.
QUESTIONS:
1. will this USB isolator fix the MIDI interference to the Audio recording?
2. will the USB isolator fix the ground loop hum both in the monitoring and recording?
3. do I need TWO USB Isolators, both for my Scarlett Digital Audio Interface connection USB-C to USB-A, and for the Digital Piano USB MIDI cable?
Honestly, I have no idea. But if a certain piece of equipment introduces interference then you either need to replace it or try one of these filters. However, the filters might not work if the interference is actually caused by a poor electrical supply or something else you haven’t considered. This is why it is a good idea to try your setup in a different location to try and replicate the problem or try your gear on a different computer.
I used beh um22 and th ground noise sucks ....... couldnt find a cure till now
Wow its great! I have been having this problem for months with my pc, no matter which interface i plug, which mic i use, there is always noticeable hisssssss sound even when i adjusted mic to low level. So i guess this is the cure for me? Currently using behringer um 2 😁
Depends if the noise is caused by the USB or the interface is picking up interference from elsewhere... 🤔
@@DarrenLockMusic i tried to extend my interface to another room, and still there is hiss-ing, so i guess it should be cable, not interface nor mic haha
@@DarrenLockMusic and i unplug all my appliances in the room, even switch off all the light, fan, air-conditioner, speaker etc... dvd-rom, cpu fan etc etc.
@@rontianrong9635 Did it work for you? I have the same problem with my UM2
@@wywywywywywywy yea it works😊 but i got another brand which unable to remove all buy 80%, still satisfying result
A Tip for people with usb ground issues and if your interface is powered by usb.
1.Use a Y-cable.
2.Connect a standalone power supply to one end (i use a phone charger)
3.Remove 5v and ground pin from the usb that goes into your computer.
By doing this you are only connecting d- d+ (data pins) and shield into your computer wich will break ground loops between computer and interface.
Dude! 10/10 comment! I am going to try this. Could you point me into a y cable like that? Thanks in advance.
Shock.. Horror! ground loop issues from a Korg product! every single one of their Volca's does exactly the same, I have tried several brands of GLI's [ground loop isolators] most don't work with Korg products, so you were lucky there fella.
Yeah, it's stupid because the component that stops this sort of thing costs pennies to install into USB audio products. But I tend to avoid hardware synths now and have gone the software route, mainly because of my lack of space.
I’m getting a ground loop from my usb power supply- would that gizmo work?
If you’ve successfully identified that the hum is from the power supply, then it might work. However, a new power supply might be considered if it doesn’t. 👍
personally i grounded my DAC using one of those anti static plugs, seemed to do the trick
Which one
?
Live saver!
You rock! This video helped me a lot... thanks!
Glad it helped!
Hi Darren, got exactly the same thing going on. I'll get me one of those and see what happens, cheers
Good luck!
Thanks, quick questions. I have the exact same problem with all of my usb-driven instruments (I am using a Nord Piano and a Korg Minilogue, in combination with a Arturia Midi Controller). When I plug any of them into my desktop (regardless of cable and slot, both the PC itself and the powered USB-hub), I have a rather similar sound to what you just showed. Would this isolator do the job if I use it AFTER the hub (so between hub and PC) or should I use it before the hub (so between instrument and hub)? Anyway, thank you for the info and I will definitely order something like it, cuz it will take the hum away from one of the instruments.
I've never tried it between the hub and the computer. It might work. I've always identified the USB port that is causing the interference and used it on that.
I have a very similar problem, however I am using a focusrite scarlett 8i6 which draws its power directly from the electricity socket in the wall. Theoretically there shouldn't be any usb interference since it's sending only basic data back and forth. On the other hand when I'm using the interface with a laptop instead of a desktop I get less noise while the rest of the setup is the same. I think I might be missing something.
The funny thing is that the circuit that prevents USB hum or interference costs pennies and is easy to add to any audio interface, but for some reason some items are missing it and don't play friendly with certain configurations.
But you are creating the loop by having two different power sources connected via usb which then creates the loop showing in the mains. Laptops have known issues as well and it is not uncommon for a laptop to have less noise although a lot of power bricks from laptops will cause massive loops hum while plugged in. It is unfortunately with the usb itself, differential circuits (more than one powered unit cross connected) and the cpu itself which are poorly shielded from frequency interference.... i would say using an isolation transformer, using a common or single power strip, as well as a multi-unbalanced to balanced conversion box would be the best way to go.
@@soulslip I figured it out way later when I bought an amp and cabinet. My desktop pc emits a very powerful electro magnetic field which adds a lot of noise. If I play my guitar through the amp and stay close to the pc it adds the same static even though it is not in the loop.
The laptop does that too but very little in comparison.
Thank you sooooo much for this. Hope I dint need one for ALL the USB cables. :-/
No, one connected to the unit causing the interference is usually enough.
*Hi there, does it work for static voice I hear like vvvvvv sound on my mic I tried to change mics and headphones installing drivers... nothing fixed so plz tell if that usb sound can do the trick for me I ll be thankful*
If you've tried different microphones, then it could be a ground interference problem. It's worth a try, I suppose.
Yeah that noise sucks. I hate it. I use GarageBand Bandpass filters to cut the noise out.
That’s an alternative way of dealing with it! 😂😂😂
hey :) bit late on this haha but having issues with USB noise a lot recently, im curious because im running 4 USBs all of which have some degree of noise. would this device work if i connect it from PC to a USB hub? (1usb to 4usb) or would i need to isolate every individual usb input? hope it makes sense :)
Ideally, you’d use this to isolate the single USB item causing the noise.
I wonder if this would work with my bonke m900 condenser microphone. I have tried everything but something like this to get rid of the noticeable whine. Everything I've seen has pointed to having too many earth grounds causing loop whine. I'm going to order one and if it works I will respond back.
If the USB interface makes a noise without the microphone or with another instrument, then it could be a ground loop issue. However, if it is just your microphone it could be that the hum is caused by your electrical loop and you might need more shielding on it.
There's a number of solutions, depending on the cause...
Example - in certain laptops (Dell latitude series are pretty bad)... If you've running it on batteries, not a worry. Sounds fine.
If you're using it on an external power supply, with no battery in - again no issues.
However, the moment you run the power supply AND the battery is also in... As the charging management circuits go working away...
Awful!
so it's best to have grounding installed in the electric panel right?
Yes! Thank you 🙏🏼
Dude that was f.in loud, like there was a crickett on my desk.
lol
Dam this changed my podcasting with my mano lite fn brilliant
Glad it was useful! 👍
Hey man still couldn’t fix the grounding issue on my ipad with negringer Um2 ..... will it go away with upgrading to zoom
Did you try the filter on other USB connections to your computer? Sometimes the conflict can be between USB connections too...
Awesome tip!
My studio monitors are connected to a DAC that uses 2USB's, one 5V to USB to power the DAC to my PC, and one USB to get the info (data, however you wanna call it), so it makes noises........
I bought the "iFi iPower Low Noise DC Power Supply 5V" to power the DAC , instead of that shitty cable , which should solve the power thingy, and now I ordered this Hifime USB for the data, hope it's gonna be solved.
Thanks for the video btw :D
I got exactly the same problem... High pitch frequency noise..
Will this noise go away if I put a Behringer HD400 hum destroyer between my Focusrite scarlet interface and KRK monitors?
Thanks!
Not if it is caused by USB ground loop interference.
I liked this video just because you didn't open with saying 'hey guys'.
I do my best!
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Hello darren, im using behringer um2 interface and the interface make a radio noise that like white noise...does this method works?
I have no idea. It could be interference from your power supply or monitor, so maybe check that first.
had me at the tshirt.... 😂🤘
seriously, though- I have a few usb powered instruments that pull too much current for a gadget like this, & so I have to deal with the earth loops by altering the audio cabling (i.e. lifting the ground there) instead of in the power supply.
Hi Darren! I hear a high pitched sound through my amp when I plug the usb cable of my Line 6 Pod Hd to my PC. Is this product appropriate in this case?
If the noise goes when you unplug the USB from the Pod (which I assume is outputting to your amp) then yes. Also, unplug the amp from the Pod and listen via headphones, if there’s still a noise then this could be USB ground interference.
great video mate love it thx
Glad you found it useful!
How Would this work for a USB Hub? One device in my 3-usb hub gives the same ground issue. Would I daisy chain this straight to the controller, or through the usb hub
It would be from the noisy device into the hub. Do not put it between the hub and the computer (that’s what the instructions recommend, if I recall correctly).
@@DarrenLockMusic awesome I’ll give it a go, thanks so much friend 🙏
You’re welcome! 👍
I have a chiptune like buzz going on in my headset, which is plugged in audio, when I plug a usb stick in the port next to it, but only when transferring files. Do I need this isolator for the usb or for the headphones?
On the USB, I'd imagine.
@@DarrenLockMusic thanks bro
Hello daren ... i recently bought presonus interface usb96 .. and i having having a buzz sound from the sprekers only when i use the daw to get the guita tones .. i dont know what is the problem with interface or my monitors .. cause my monitors sounds good when i am only playing youtube and other stuff .. need ur opinion ..
If you are connecting a guitar to the interface and that's the only time you get the buzz, I imagine that your monitor is causing your guitar to pickup interference. Try moving further away from your monitor.
Legend
I keep telling everyone that, but they don’t believe me! 😂😂😂
i have an interface plugged into my gaming pc by a usb and it makes a buzzing sound every time i plug in my mic and when i record vocals on a song the buzzing gets picked up. i think its an internal problem with my motherboard or something inside of my pc because i tested out my interface and mic on a laptop and it worked completely fine.
Could be an unshielded USB port and that’s where these devices come in. 👍
Hello Darren! Great video! So I have a USB interface mixer that is getting power from an electrical socket and I connect the mixer directly to my laptop (both windows and mac - and i'm experiencing the problem in both laptops). The only thing that is connected to the mixer is an XLR condenser mic. The mixer produces a high pitch noise even when the mic is not connected. What's more surprising is the noise is still there even when the mixer is powered off (like even when i disconnect the power cable to the mixer and the only thing connected to it is the USB 2 A to B cable to the laptop)! Is this still a ground loop issue? You think a USB isolator will help? Just wanna be sure before I purchase one. Thanks mate!
That could be bad shielding from the electrical supply. Try the mixer connected to a different socket on a different supply.
@@DarrenLockMusic It still has a high pitch noise even when the power adapter is disconnected. I dont think it’s the electrical supply 😞
Well then it could be a USB issue. Have you tried the mixer with a. different computer?
does this also work with usb mixer interfaces? my recordings catch radio frequencies and high pitch noises. any tips?
You could try and put the filter on the USB cable between it and the computer and see. But it sounds like a badly shielded mixer than actual USB ground noise, which is a different thing entirely.
I have a USB that I plug into my tablet. When I plug it in, it doesn't make noise. When I plug my mouse in, it doesn't make a noise. But when I plug my keyboard into the USB which is connected to my tablet, the USB makes the buzzing/humming noise. It's driving me crazy. Do you have any idea how to fix it.
Yes, a USB ground loop filter attached to the keyboard.
@@DarrenLockMusic Thank you 😊
You're welcome!
Can this also fix random popping sound on USB DAC?
No, that sounds like a problem with your electrical supply.
Will this help with popping and crackling sounds?
No.
@@DarrenLockMusic alright, thank you for the reply. Pretty interesting video btw 👍🏼
You’re welcome. Poppong and crackling could be caused by a “dirty” electrical supply or some kind of external interference, so this won’t cure that. 👍
Mad how much these cost 😩
When I originally made this video, you could get these relatively cheap, but now it seems the price is on the up. 😳
You just got a new subscriber mate! I've been using an Xtuga E22 interface and for some reason whenever i try to use VSTs on my DAW. I get a sharp whining hum that doesn't go away. Amp plugins only amplify the hum to the extent that it is almost unbearable to even record.
Tried disconnecting everything leaving just the interface connected to my pc by a usb cable and I can still hear the noise. Would this be a looping issue? I got all my usb ports plugged in with a number of devices including a usb hub. Got some led strips as well. What would be the main cause of this?
I would immediately think it could be interference from the LED lights.
its the usb hub. I bought an Anker one that is usb c and has its own power supply. absolute trash. and im using a thunderbolt interface. ground noise unbearably distracting
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Yeah, I'm trying to do it chronologically but some videos need to go up quicker because they were more popular. Gaaah, this is all taking too much time!
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When I plug my audio interface to my desktop PC and start turning up the gain there is terrible hum coming from the interface itself even listening to it with nothing plugged in. Do you think if I get one of these it'll help this issue?
If you can only hear it when you push up the gain this could be interference from your power supply. If the hum is there all the time and is amplified by the gain, then yes it could be a USB ground loop issue. Does that make any sense?
@@DarrenLockMusic yes thanks. I've been at this problem all day for the last few days and it seems to be either noise from the preamp. Apparently they make some amount of noise which you can hear with high gain. Or it's a usb ground loop issue.
I tried plugging my interface into my laptop. If I remove the laptops power cord there's ground loop noise. If I also remove the phantom power from the interface there's no ground loop noise. So I don't think it's a power ground loop issue anymore. All I can do at this point is try one of those usb isolators and looking up proper gain staging.
Or replace your USB interface... 🤔
@@DarrenLockMusic That's definitely a last ditch effort lol I already spent so much on the Audient ID14 and getting another is money I don't have. I'm about the pull the trigger and buy an ifi idefender to see if it can do anything. If not I guess I'll deal with it for a while and buy something that's specialized for what I want and is higher end, like an axe fx 3 or something. It's really hard to tell if this is ground loop interference or preamp noise that's being heard through high gain the more I look into it.
Oh I see, well good luck trying to kill the hum. It might just drive you mad though! 😬
Can it work for guitar noise?
Nope.
All I can hear is high pitch whistle
That’s probably tinnitus… 😂😂😂
@@DarrenLockMusicI have that too sometimes but whistle in this vid was mental 😅
Well, I wouldn’t worry about it. 👍
Just use balanced TRS cables and you'll have no noise in the first place.
🙄
Sounds like he tried all those obvious solutions.
the noise will stll be there. it's not on the audio cables but inside the ground of the audio chipset.
is that good for crackling POP?
No, hums not pops...
@@DarrenLockMusic i have both at the same time
Yeah, that's not good... The pops could be caused by your electrical supply.
@@DarrenLockMusic all my eletronic devices make a static sound, I'm trying to see from where does the problem come from. I'm also going to call an eletrician
Yes, I think that’s probably wise. 👍
I have an issue where my audio sounds great then every 15 mins it goes distorted for about 8 seconds then goes back to being fine,I've got my laptop running through my usb mixer,Im not willing to spend £30 with out no guarantee it does work,
Yeah, that doesn’t sound like a grounding issue as the noise would be continual. You might want to replace the mixer or the laptop soon...
all this tells you is your PC is garbage
No, it doesn’t… 🙄
Good vid tho
This is great but why don't you better show what you're doing? You took the time to make a video, yet show just your face basically. Just seems pointless to not show exactly what you're doing. You could of just wrote a review on the isolator and there'd be little difference.
So you think that watching me plug a USB cable into a USB socket is more exciting to watch than my gorgeous face...? 🤔 Hmmm... 😞
@@DarrenLockMusic I was just saying that the main advantage of video in general is the ability to SEE exactly what is happening. Why not take advantage and show more? It provides more information without even saying anything. Technically speaking, you could have made a video without saying a single word that would in a sense be more descriptive. Ya know, a picture is worth 1000 words? A video's worth a million? Well, 1.8million to some folks. I'm not meaning to pick on you or anything. It seems to be more common than you'd think. People providing a video while just talking when they could be showing as more by simply turning a camera.
I just figured out that the noise I was hearing WAS my cell phone! lol Put it in airplane mode and sure enough.. Gone. weird ;)
Sometimes interference can be hard to identify, but well done! 👍