Awesome ! I like Lion, this clan is on S tier by now, but i never could play a rush game with Lion. I was thinking this impossible, but with this guide; now i can! Thank you very much! By the way, i'm now kinda playing a game mixing your 2 ways from this guide, being ready to defend from a rush, but keeping focus on scale!
Really nice guide and video Lars! I'm happy that the world will now know how to Lion. But I'm sad that now I have to play against good Lions every time 😅
Thank you, haven't played for a while and all the new mechanics are quite confusing coming back after so long. I've just watched you owl guide as well and was able to clean up in a 2 v 2 v 2 with my team mate being bear clan, who I think are weak atm, but it felt v fun to play owl with them. Now I feel like I could have a chance with lion. Much appreciated - from a devout raven/snake clan player branching out. 😂
Thank you for your wonderful comment. Raven/Snake are very different compared to both Owl/Lion. I am really interested in how hard the transition was for you personally. I am happy to hear that the guide worked out in your favor!!!
Hi Larsman, thanks for the guide! For FFA what would you say is the best lategame army for Lion? I was thinking a few Fantassasin with Rearguard upgrade, the the main units would be Champions with Hauberk upgrade and after cost per unit gets higher then the Faith to convert paladins instead just fill up the army with paladins as last group. Would that be as optimal as I imagine it to be or am I overthinking and should I just spam Champion only?
Hey Cova thank you for your wonderful comment! Best lategame for Lion is going for full Hauberk Champs with 1 Holy Fire Paladin and tons of champion camp upgrades. Reason being that the more upgrades you have for a specific unit, the stronger it becomes. Champions melt literally anything in seconds. If you happen to be up against a Lynx or Stoat, you can also mix in a couple of archers to make tile-dancing more difficult.
thanks for the guide lars, you are the ng GOAT haha, question for you: How do you go about mining your stone, if your stone and food are on the same tile, i trialled this and it delayed my stone very late due to starving?
great guide, do you plan revisiting other clans after those latest patches? :) most important tip is to use INFO on the tiles, especially for beginners to see exactly how's livability going on, southern clans really depend on starting tile layout, if really good then upgraded tavern on main tile boosting livability on all other tiles is OP, also in your play I'd probably build woodcutter on right bottom tile for quicker unit swap between mine and wood, and also there's a thin balance between getting iron vs getting stone (because upgrading everything for more livability gives bigger convert pop later)
Thanks a lot! I like your ideas and I see that you put a lot of thought into this. I actually tried woodcutter near stone mine the first run I played this spawn and I ultimately valued mining while working woodcutters over placing both in the same tile and changed my building distribution. However, you can definitely make a case for your approach! Tavern on main is a possibility, but I feel like that is not needed most of the time. Again, that's only my personal opinion and I know some good Lion players who do exactly that. Hostelry on main. :) Lion's so flexible man, I wonder how we can optimize this clan even more.
Could you please explain a bit more about the [Legions] Military Path? I'm new to the game and I don't quite understand why it should be taken over [Guardian], or if there is some weakness or bonus I'm not aware of yet o.o Thanks for the video guide, carry on man!
Guardian is a useless military path for Lion as it doesn't even have towers, but forts and forts don't contribute that much for defense. Additionaly, your win condition with Lion is domination by killing enemies and having the strongest warband in the game. With legions you can 1.) Build more camps (50 mil. exp) 2.) Convert more (500 mil exp.) 3.) Have the strongest military in the game at 1500 mil exp. I'd argue that it's one of the most "natural" war paths in the game together with... Ox Legions Stoat Guardian. Feel free to ask away if you have any further questions! ~ Lars
@@larsmanlive Thanks for the quick reply, man! :D I had been rolling Guardian for a while since I couldn't afford to maintain a standing army until around 803-804 (Food, Krowns, low population and Livability problems) One other question: Are there any situations where I should choose Fantassins or Archers over Champions?
@@herrdave920 Ah don't mention it, I am happy to help :) I'd honestly almost always go for champions in normal games. In some 801 rush cases, archers can be very good, too.
Really appreciate the guide, it's helped me a lot. However, I really struggle to get that 8 livability food tile in the first year. I feel like I'm consistently behind by a few months. I simply don't understand how you can amass the krowns needed for all the upgrades and developments without starting next to a ruin. Is this a requirement? Because honestly I seem not to start next to a ruin in most of my matches, if there is even one nearby...
Thank you for the guide, 1 question. what do you do if you dont have a coastal tile for the dock ? do you build it on your mail tile ? or do you do a combo of the market and trading post ?
@@pjmosi4686 First as many as you can and then 4-8 depending on how much gold you need. Working the max. is preferred as you'll need iron and stone, though.
Thanks a lot! I already made one, you can check it out here: ruclips.net/video/d4KSrRuugjU/видео.htmlsi=nLIeFuNSYgxYsDzY The build order is quite different to Lion.
Question regarding Lion kingdom and military path - Legion. How does the third tier talent (double bonus from upgraded military buildings) interact with Lion? As far as i am aware upgrading military camp does not provide any bonuses, unlike in north clans where they provide flat % bonuses, it just allows you to recruit certain type of unit and expand your band?
As far as I know, the champions gain attack speed. Afterwards, that bonus increases after hitting 1500 military expierence by 100% You can imagine what happens then x)
The only thing i don’t get is why put a tavern with ur food tile, for me it makes it harder to manage food and happiness at the same time. Other tile feel better for a tavern because i never use 8 lumber jack or 8 sailors. Could you explain to me why you think the tavern on food is better. Thanks for the great guide apart from this confusion everything was crystal clear
Tavern on food is the easiest way for you to get 8 livabilty there ASAP. Also, you won't lack food even with a taverner working there. Since there will be taverns on other tiles later, you can just work your taverners there.
@@larsmanlive Thanks a lot for the answer, i have been playing lion a lot more and you're 100% right rushing livability without an early tavern is too much of a headache
idk if this is a dumb question but i feel like the champions are way weaker than axe men, am i missing a bonus for the champs that make them stronger? thanks!
Champions are stronger than normal military as they can strike two nearby units in a single blow. Coupled with Hauberk (deflect) they are unfair to play against with normal warrior Northgard clans. As far as I know, they also gain attack speed for upgraded camps.
Hi i wonder that, you know normally on nearly all clans when you upgrade any warband you get %5 something you know, but i guess its different on lion clan right? can you tell me about how can i make my soliders stronget when i play lion clan.
Lion gets a 5% attack bonus to associated units for each military camp in a zone with prosperity. With "Steelwork" each military building with a Smithy provides + 5% defense to the associated units as well. So stack smithies and champion camps in as many tiles as you can!
Yeah the livabilty mechanic is very unique. I still remember how my very first Lion game went. I didn't have ANY idea of what I was doing and chat had to coach me through everything :D
Quick question, in this game you had a ruin to discover which gets you 100 gold. If you never got this which is possible for some spawns, how would you do it?
im playing northgard since 2.000 hours (100% of the time only ranked) and i´ve never understand Kingdom clans and squirrel. This 3 clans are really hard to play for me. Strongest military units are shamans from Rat in 803 with 10 upgraded warcamps :D in my opinion.
Kingdom clans are really different and weird that way. I guess practise makes perfect. I had to play a LOT of Lion in order to figure it out. In comparison, the viking clans have been way easier (with the exception of owl). P.S. How the fk does squirrel even work?!
Is codex no longer a viable relic? I always see 3v3, 4v4 with lion split. The one with codex seems to always win eventually due to how fast they can recover vs the holy fire relic.
Codex build is fine, but how is codex ever meant to win against holy fire? In my 80~ Lion games I've never seen Codex win against Holy Fire even once. Only Codex vs. non-relic Lion. If you're just getting wiped clean there's nothing to recover from. Could you elaborate?
Depends, not that high on the priority list. If iron is not on your food tile, you can try to mine it faster. It's more important to get your tile set-up asap. You can build a smithy on your faith tile really quickly by just sailing.
@@xmorpheusx498 Yes definitely. I'd try to go for as many 8 livabilty tiles as I can. Getting the tile where you want to forge your relic up to 8 livabilty is huge and it'll save you lots of time.
Thanks alot! Yeah nobody will expect the rush Lion. I have 100% WR with 801 Lion so far. Maybe more players can pick that build order up to make things more interesting :) It IS tricky though, I agree!
best Northgard channel out there, with these new guides beating dentist's channel now :)
Thanks a lot! I am honored about your assessment
This was a fantastic guide. One of the most helpful ones I have seen! Thank you very much
I took a different approach this time. I am really glad you liked the guide!
Fantastic guide, love these edited version.
Thanks
I am glad you liked it!
Awesome ! I like Lion, this clan is on S tier by now, but i never could play a rush game with Lion. I was thinking this impossible, but with this guide; now i can! Thank you very much!
By the way, i'm now kinda playing a game mixing your 2 ways from this guide, being ready to defend from a rush, but keeping focus on scale!
I am so glad I was able to help out!
Yeah Lion-rushes are not even that bad tbh ☺️
Very helpful! Waiting for more guides.
And more will come!
Great guide mate
I really appreciate your support and encouragement. Means a lot to me!
Really nice guide and video Lars! I'm happy that the world will now know how to Lion. But I'm sad that now I have to play against good Lions every time 😅
Thanks man!
When in doubt, just hit 'em with the good ol' 801 Wolf :D
Thanks so much for this guide! I am getting back into the game and love how the lion works.
Thank you so much! Happy to have you back
Thank you, haven't played for a while and all the new mechanics are quite confusing coming back after so long. I've just watched you owl guide as well and was able to clean up in a 2 v 2 v 2 with my team mate being bear clan, who I think are weak atm, but it felt v fun to play owl with them. Now I feel like I could have a chance with lion. Much appreciated - from a devout raven/snake clan player branching out. 😂
Thank you for your wonderful comment. Raven/Snake are very different compared to both Owl/Lion. I am really interested in how hard the transition was for you personally.
I am happy to hear that the guide worked out in your favor!!!
thanks for keep playing! I keep coming back to this gae every six months, and then i need to relearn so much, so i end up back here
No worries, I am glad you're watching my stuff and I am happy to help.
Lion's suuuuper strong right now.
Top Guides! Top Informativ und leicht zu merken. Weiter so, viel Erfolg! :)
Vielen Dank für das nette feedback!
Thanks for this. I have been struggling with Lion!
I gotcha!
I think you're doing the lion's share of making this clan playable. Greetings from one of your friends.
Oh wow, you're here as well?! :O
Appreciate your support ma man ♥
Yeah, buddy! This guide is the reason I will start playing kingdoms. The guide is very cool) Thank you
Much love man
Finally, Ultimate guide. Tysm!
Ultimate community, too!
Thanks for the guide!
I am happy to have you, Blonsky!
Hi Larsman, thanks for the guide! For FFA what would you say is the best lategame army for Lion? I was thinking a few Fantassasin with Rearguard upgrade, the the main units would be Champions with Hauberk upgrade and after cost per unit gets higher then the Faith to convert paladins instead just fill up the army with paladins as last group. Would that be as optimal as I imagine it to be or am I overthinking and should I just spam Champion only?
Hey Cova thank you for your wonderful comment!
Best lategame for Lion is going for full Hauberk Champs with 1 Holy Fire Paladin and tons of champion camp upgrades.
Reason being that the more upgrades you have for a specific unit, the stronger it becomes.
Champions melt literally anything in seconds.
If you happen to be up against a Lynx or Stoat, you can also mix in a couple of archers to make tile-dancing more difficult.
thanks for this awesome guide, keep it up :)
Thanks a lot, I'll try to :)
Imagine playing with the worst kingdom 😢😮 (comment sponsored by the Stout Clan)
Ouch...
Lion > Stoat. However, Stoat's just way too much fun.
thanks for the guide lars, you are the ng GOAT haha, question for you:
How do you go about mining your stone, if your stone and food are on the same tile, i trialled this and it delayed my stone very late due to starving?
Save food in summer and mine the stone in winter.
If you have fish, try to find another food source.
great guide, do you plan revisiting other clans after those latest patches? :)
most important tip is to use INFO on the tiles, especially for beginners to see exactly how's livability going on,
southern clans really depend on starting tile layout, if really good then upgraded tavern on main tile boosting livability on all other tiles is OP,
also in your play I'd probably build woodcutter on right bottom tile for quicker unit swap between mine and wood,
and also there's a thin balance between getting iron vs getting stone (because upgrading everything for more livability gives bigger convert pop later)
Thanks a lot!
I like your ideas and I see that you put a lot of thought into this.
I actually tried woodcutter near stone mine the first run I played this spawn and I ultimately valued mining while working woodcutters over placing both in the same tile and changed my building distribution.
However, you can definitely make a case for your approach!
Tavern on main is a possibility, but I feel like that is not needed most of the time.
Again, that's only my personal opinion and I know some good Lion players who do exactly that. Hostelry on main. :)
Lion's so flexible man, I wonder how we can optimize this clan even more.
@@larsmanlive forging upgrades/relics is somewhat weird - not being able to stack multiple upgrades on single unit type is a bummer :D
Could you please explain a bit more about the [Legions] Military Path?
I'm new to the game and I don't quite understand why it should be taken over [Guardian], or if there is some weakness or bonus I'm not aware of yet o.o
Thanks for the video guide, carry on man!
Guardian is a useless military path for Lion as it doesn't even have towers, but forts and forts don't contribute that much for defense.
Additionaly, your win condition with Lion is domination by killing enemies and having the strongest warband in the game.
With legions you can
1.) Build more camps (50 mil. exp)
2.) Convert more (500 mil exp.)
3.) Have the strongest military in the game at 1500 mil exp.
I'd argue that it's one of the most "natural" war paths in the game together with...
Ox Legions
Stoat Guardian.
Feel free to ask away if you have any further questions!
~ Lars
@@larsmanlive Thanks for the quick reply, man! :D
I had been rolling Guardian for a while since I couldn't afford to maintain a standing army until around 803-804
(Food, Krowns, low population and Livability problems)
One other question:
Are there any situations where I should choose Fantassins or Archers over Champions?
@@herrdave920 Ah don't mention it, I am happy to help :)
I'd honestly almost always go for champions in normal games.
In some 801 rush cases, archers can be very good, too.
Really appreciate the guide, it's helped me a lot. However, I really struggle to get that 8 livability food tile in the first year. I feel like I'm consistently behind by a few months. I simply don't understand how you can amass the krowns needed for all the upgrades and developments without starting next to a ruin. Is this a requirement? Because honestly I seem not to start next to a ruin in most of my matches, if there is even one nearby...
Getting to 8 livabilty 800 is not vital. Try to go for that asap. If you don't have treasure, it's fine to accomplish that in early 801!
Many thanks!
Thank you for the guide, 1 question. what do you do if you dont have a coastal tile for the dock ? do you build it on your mail tile ? or do you do a combo of the market and trading post ?
I'd build it on the main ☺️
With Lion, always go for Emporia.
@@larsmanlive thabk you sir. How many peeps do i put in the dock when it is on my main tile ?
@@pjmosi4686 First as many as you can and then 4-8 depending on how much gold you need.
Working the max. is preferred as you'll need iron and stone, though.
@@larsmanlive thank you sir.
Amazing guide! Can you do a guide for stout aswell or do u think its too similar?
Thanks a lot!
I already made one, you can check it out here: ruclips.net/video/d4KSrRuugjU/видео.htmlsi=nLIeFuNSYgxYsDzY
The build order is quite different to Lion.
Nice, thank you very much !!!
What type of soldiers are the best for 1v1, 2v2, and 4v4? And what upgrades should they have? ( for lion, ofcourse)
You can never go wrong with Champions IMO.
Maybe some archers for 1v1? But even then, I'd go for champions personally.
Question regarding Lion kingdom and military path - Legion. How does the third tier talent (double bonus from upgraded military buildings) interact with Lion? As far as i am aware upgrading military camp does not provide any bonuses, unlike in north clans where they provide flat % bonuses, it just allows you to recruit certain type of unit and expand your band?
As far as I know, the champions gain attack speed. Afterwards, that bonus increases after hitting 1500 military expierence by 100%
You can imagine what happens then x)
Yes!!! Thank you!!
No problem! 💪
The only thing i don’t get is why put a tavern with ur food tile, for me it makes it harder to manage food and happiness at the same time. Other tile feel better for a tavern because i never use 8 lumber jack or 8 sailors. Could you explain to me why you think the tavern on food is better. Thanks for the great guide apart from this confusion everything was crystal clear
Tavern on food is the easiest way for you to get 8 livabilty there ASAP. Also, you won't lack food even with a taverner working there.
Since there will be taverns on other tiles later, you can just work your taverners there.
@@larsmanlive Thanks a lot for the answer, i have been playing lion a lot more and you're 100% right rushing livability without an early tavern is too much of a headache
idk if this is a dumb question but i feel like the champions are way weaker than axe men, am i missing a bonus for the champs that make them stronger? thanks!
Champions are stronger than normal military as they can strike two nearby units in a single blow. Coupled with Hauberk (deflect) they are unfair to play against with normal warrior Northgard clans.
As far as I know, they also gain attack speed for upgraded camps.
Hi i wonder that, you know normally on nearly all clans when you upgrade any warband you get %5 something you know, but i guess its different on lion clan right? can you tell me about how can i make my soliders stronget when i play lion clan.
Lion gets a 5% attack bonus to associated units for each military camp in a zone with prosperity.
With "Steelwork" each military building with a Smithy provides + 5% defense to the associated units as well.
So stack smithies and champion camps in as many tiles as you can!
Lion is the only conquest I have left to do and I HATE the livability thing, I never know how many to assign to each building
Yeah the livabilty mechanic is very unique. I still remember how my very first Lion game went.
I didn't have ANY idea of what I was doing and chat had to coach me through everything :D
any plans for snake guide? :)
yes!
Quick question, in this game you had a ruin to discover which gets you 100 gold. If you never got this which is possible for some spawns, how would you do it?
The build is not dependent on the 100 gold.
Up your food tile as soon as you can. If that is 1 month later that's fine as well.
Please, give a tip - What to do if you have only 1 coast on main?
Place your anchorage on your main tile!
im playing northgard since 2.000 hours (100% of the time only ranked) and i´ve never understand Kingdom clans and squirrel. This 3 clans are really hard to play for me.
Strongest military units are shamans from Rat in 803 with 10 upgraded warcamps :D in my opinion.
Kingdom clans are really different and weird that way.
I guess practise makes perfect. I had to play a LOT of Lion in order to figure it out. In comparison, the viking clans have been way easier (with the exception of owl).
P.S. How the fk does squirrel even work?!
Great guide and can you do a guide in the same style but with the eagle clan
Cheer from Canada
Thanks a lot!
Owl into Snake next. I am open for suggestions afterwards!
I can see myself making an Eagle Guide in the future!
@@larsmanlivein the guide it be cool if you can put with other clan the eagle is good. Just a suggestion tho
Is codex no longer a viable relic? I always see 3v3, 4v4 with lion split. The one with codex seems to always win eventually due to how fast they can recover vs the holy fire relic.
Codex build is fine, but how is codex ever meant to win against holy fire? In my 80~ Lion games I've never seen Codex win against Holy Fire even once. Only Codex vs. non-relic Lion.
If you're just getting wiped clean there's nothing to recover from. Could you elaborate?
Is it safe to said that Lion 802 (or maybe late 802) is the strongest army?
Yes, for sure!
How should an eagle play against a lion? Just early asap constant pressure like with other eco clans?
In duel?
Eagle will have to go for 801 pressure for sure!
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Is it not better to build smithies faster cuz of 15% bonus?
Depends, not that high on the priority list. If iron is not on your food tile, you can try to mine it faster.
It's more important to get your tile set-up asap.
You can build a smithy on your faith tile really quickly by just sailing.
@@larsmanlive by tile setup the most important is food and faith right?
@@xmorpheusx498 Yes!
@@larsmanlive there is point in upgrading another tile? Sometimes I upgrade tile with relic to speedup by 1 more monk
@@xmorpheusx498 Yes definitely.
I'd try to go for as many 8 livabilty tiles as I can.
Getting the tile where you want to forge your relic up to 8 livabilty is huge and it'll save you lots of time.
Feed the algorithm! Lars for Jarl of Northgard!
Hahaha thank you so much Winklebott!
great guide ! always saw lion as a super late game clan, no idea it could rush. seems super tricky to master but interesting for sure, thanks so much
Thanks alot!
Yeah nobody will expect the rush Lion. I have 100% WR with 801 Lion so far. Maybe more players can pick that build order up to make things more interesting :)
It IS tricky though, I agree!
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since everyone knows how to lion now, nerf inc!
Honestly, I wouldn't mind a nerf. If you follow this and figure out the clan there's not that much you can do as an enemy o.O