I was going to comment above, but then I saw your comment. I'm in full agreement with you. I would think there would be some comms or they would have at least attempted to eject if there were some mechanical failure especially in that terrain. It's more likely they just drove into the mountain not realizing it was there.
All the experts I’ve seen agree that it was most likely a CFIT. I have no idea which "expert" would push something else unless they were hedging their bets and their comment was taken out of context.
Mt Rainer is a mysterious mountain. I would never want to fly close to that mountain. This is so similar to Captain Craig Buttons mysterious crash in his A10.
I was going to write something snidely here-the temptation is great-and decided not to. Stealing a line from ‘A Few Good Men’, these two aviators pledged to us civlians, “No harm will come to you tonight. Not on my watch.” And they lost their lives while training to the best of their abilities.
Why would anyone suspect a mechanical failure? 80% of aviation mishaps are from human error. If it was a mechanical failure then they probably would have been able to eject.
@@jondrew55to be fair, military contractors often like to use these things to blame their problems on. Either way I won't believe any reason they put out for this crash.
@@chrissinclair4442 almost certainly this will end up as pilot error flying into the mountain in bad weather. Whether it’s due to poor flight planning, bad navigation, spatial disorientation etc. it happens all too frequently. Miktary pilots train to fly in conditions others should stay on the ground for.
@@jondrew55 that is very possible but there is a third option. Have you seen all the electronic warfare Russia has been doing screwing with planes and ships? This could also be some cols war electronic warfare by almost anyone, including one of our military contractors running experiments or proof of concept. I will never trust whatever is said about it.
@@swiftusmaximus5651 I think it had much more to do with flying close to mountains in low visibilitiy conditions. Any aviator will tell you that thats inherently dangerous.
These two, the pilot of the helicopter that slammed into the radio tower, the captain of the $150M New Zealand ship now at the bottom of the ocean I'm noticing a pattern, a very "diverse" pattern...
from wkikpedia......female pilots allowed to fly when a man would have failed the training.... Hultgreen's death has been used by critics who believe the Navy has put political considerations ahead of safety and morale concerns and who oppose women flying combat aircraft.[9] Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness suggested that Hultgreen "may have been the victim of a flawed policy" that overlooked her mistakes in training, two of which were similar to those that caused her death, and that Hultgreen and her fellow promoted female pilot, Carey Dunai Lohrenz, were repeatedly continued through training despite unusually low scores and mistakes that would have washed out male trainees.
@@swiftusmaximus5651 You would know! You have made this comment so many times now, we can tell you are an expert on them. We all know exactly where yours is jammed right now!! 🍑🤡🤣
I was thinking about that but the DEI factor may be somewhere else, not the pilots. Still... it makes no sense to crash just like that. the only time something like that happened was a pilot who committed suicide and he was by himself.
@@vjreiIn 2020 in Death Valley a navy jet crashed just like this, he was flying low in the canyon and ended up slamming into the side of it with zero chance of ejection.
"Lessons" are almost always learned from aviation accidents. That's why aviation becomes safer over time. But certain people never learn, thereby making the same mistakes over and over, and remain burdened with erroneous perceptions.
@@jlvandat69 kinda like americunts waging endless wars to spread your anal democracy throughout the world, without attempting to understanding why you always fail. Slava Rossii 🇷🇺 Z 🇷🇺
Maybe she was just trying to live HER truth... but unfortunately the other truth involved happened to be not watery enough for the boatie she was driving
I think they screwed up. It takes a very special skillset to pilot an aircraft at high speed, during bad weather, with limited visibility, and relying mostly on instruments. Now imagine trying to do all of that while flying nap of the earth and closely following the terrain. I think they crashed. They were flying too low for the terrain. I don’t think they had enough experience for that type of flying. To be honest, I don’t think they ever had the aptitude. Lowering the standards for the sake of inclusion got these women killed.
@@leroyjenkins4811 Whidbey Island NAS loses one of their aircraft about every ten years or so doing what this crew was probably doing. I have seen these aircraft on radar evading training runs in the Cascade range while hiking and skiing many times since the 1980's (EA-6B's) and they were usually tracking at 300 knots or so through the valley below where I was. The prior version had four crew members and they hit the ground in a relatively flat areas of eastern Washington back in the 1990's. Four men died in that accident.
@@gmarie701 What was your point exactly with that? Because let me be clear, I don’t think these female pilots crashed because women don’t make good pilots. No. I believe these women crashed because they were women and were allowed to stay in a flight program that relaxed the standards to keep them in without them having to meet the rigorous training standards precisely because they’re women. Over the course of their careers they were pushed into roles that were purposefully less demanding simply because they’re women (training officer, flying relatively easy missions over relatively flat terrain/open water, no real chance of engagement with the enemy, etc). And when it came time to live up to the rigorous standards of flying close to terrain features at high speed during bad weather, something a pilot of this caliber would have to be proficient at in order to do their job, they didn’t have the skill to pull it off and crashed. Why? They’d never really had a requirement to do so. If they had been men, they would have been washed out of the program and they would have had a career flying another airframe. They would have been upset about washing out and having to fly something else but at least they’d be alive. They wouldn’t have lost their lives trying to pilot an aircraft that was clearly beyond their skill level. Somebody, somewhere decided to make it a point to group these women together into this all female flying group in order to make a point. And that point had nothing to do with the women’s actual skill as pilots. I say this because I served in the military. 15 years US Army Airborne. I went through Airborne school in ‘96. ALL of the women in my class dropped out. ALL OF THEM! And a lot of men quit too. If you’re good enough to meet and exceed the standards, you’ve earned your place and you deserve to stay. If you don’t meet the standard, you’re gone. There was no harassment from the instructors. There wasn’t any encouragement either. Either you performed the task correctly or you were outta there! I would not want to serve next to someone who was there for political reasons as opposed to someone who could just do the job. When you put gender politics, gender ideology, and gender visibility over making sure our military members are actually trained enough to do their jobs, people die. After the investigation is completed, I don’t think any mechanical faults and failures will be discovered. I think we can attribute this to pilot error. They crashed and it was more than likely their own fault. They weren’t good enough. And the situation showed them just how incompetent and inadequate they were. You don’t get a second chance in an aircraft when you mess up. Mess ups like that are usually fatal.
The pilot failed to fly with instruments such as altimeter and attitude indicator, I’m certain she experienced spatial disorientation or just negligence due to poor weather and low clouds. This is completely avoidable considering the aircraft will give automated verbal warning of altitude; moreover, military aircraft such as F-18 Growlers have powerful radar that can map out terrain such as mountains. Someone may say I don’t know what I’m talking about but if it were mechanical the pilots would have ejected. The fact that they didn’t eject indicates they had no idea where they were before they slammed into a mountain.
As a pilot myself, I can say with certainty that those Naval Aviators were indeed flying with an altimeter and attitude indicator. It's standard on military aircraft. I do think that this was flight into terrain due to not being able to see said terrain, but that's just what I think. The Navy and NTSB will find out.
@avestuart I never doubted they had they had an altimeter and attitude indicator as every aircraft has those. My guess is they were not properly monitoring their instruments be it special disorientation or being distracted or pre occupied with something else.
@@kountrygunz2032 What's to cover-up? Their pilots have mishaps and accidents, it happens. My experience is that they'll use them as teaching tools. Not many years ago a buddy of mine was a student Naval Aviator, two instructors who were very experienced (both male) flew a T-34 Mentor into icing conditions . Icing formed on the wings and they dropped, the ice also froze the canopy shut and they couldn't get out (the T-34 didn't have ejection seats). They both died in the accident. While examining the wreckage they found bloody prints on the canopy handles from the pilots desperately trying to get it open. They used this incident to teach the hazards of icing to new students.
One pilot looks to be quite overweight…DEI hires got two ppl killed…it takes years to get to this point..DEI hasn’t been around long enough..I guarantee they have a fraction of the hours real fighter pilots have to have to fly in naval combat missions.
This. I pretty much ignored the prevailing dei comments. While it is a thing, I do think women most certainly can be amazing military pilots. However, I don’t see how Evans was fit to fly. Physical standards are there for a reason and the other pilot looked very fit, so it’s achievable. They have to be required to maintain fitness, regardless of gender.
@@JustAnotherPaddy years ago..the navy did a IMAX on its fighter pilots…also being a naval sailor myself, I know what use to be required…I’m well aware of the changes to the standard instituted at the academy..there was a fast track for a lot of people…one of the top naval brass is an “it” along with many in military leadership these days..folks who didn’t go up in rank or spend the time (takes 20+ years to get to some of these positions) it take to even qualify for the positions. Everything the navy use to do required time and training plus passing a test…the point of DEI is not to promote but rather to degrade the military capability…which it’s actually achieved faster than they’d hoped
@@therealBocaStudios I rewatched this and noted the all female superbowl flyover team. 3 of the four were complete pie wagons that I couldn’t imagine fitting in a plane. I’m not against everyone getting a shot, but as you pointed out…merit and standards have to be adhered to.
Yes but DEI hires can learn anything in seconds or even minutes never mind the weeks of basic training or any other training. It's useless for DEI's to train because they already know everything there is to know. Remember They Are Trailblazers!!
100% responsible for the deaths of these two Angels. The PC BS in US military MUST stop. Think about all the lives these ladies could have saved and helped if they had instead been US Naval NURSES or Doctors …..When will America Ever learn ❓🌹🌹❓Yes, I am an old timer that remembers when this nations military used Common Sense instead of this “feel good” PC insanity that has caused soooo many needless deaths of good people……
One thing I know for certain here is that they have nothing in common with you! These women were successful, they earned those wings, they made a difference in the world. This is more than we can say for many armchair experts opining here on youtube - people such as yourself.
@@nohandleleft Dead successful,lol!!!! I served in the USN back when it was really battle ready,50 years ago. I also worked at NNSY,PSNS,Bangor Sub Base for another 20 years. We men actually worked and repaired the equipment to work as designed and operated our ships and planes mostly without issues.If it broke we fixed it and we overhauled aircraft carriers in 11 months.Do you know it now takes up to 6 years to do what we did in less than a year? Get ready to see us lose the next big war because we have a bunch of woke citizens who were never required to grow up. USN,US Army,US Air Force are not battle ready and recruiting is at an all time low with most unable to pass any type of physical or mental test to qualify. Lowering the standards has worked out so well for us as this incident shows. It has all transpired as planned by our enemies and now we are getting close to collapse. Hell, I just feel sorry for all those who are young enough that they will likely have their lives cut short when the bombs rain down by an enemy who no longer fears us because they know what most here refuse to see,our military services have embraced this woke crap while destroying the capability to really accomplish missions with high reliability.
@@fes5956did you get dropped on your head or something? Show some respect. And wtf would you know about being a pilot? I’m sure you in your 40’s with a crippling alcohol problem and a ex wife. Is it your moms or grand mom’s basement you live in?
P8 overshoots runway in hawaii - all female crew NZ female commander runs 100M ship aground, catches fire and sinks F18 crash from trailblazing female crew
This Navy aircraft had far superior electronic detection equipment compared to other Navy fighter/bombers.......BUT, they couldn't see a huge mountain in front of them?
Trail Blazers, Role Models, Women of Influence, Rising Stars, Pioneering New Warfare Tactics, First To Fly Combat Missions Over Land, Made History As First Ever All Female Super Bowl Flyover. Anyone see a pattern here? These gals were angelic on the verge of saint hood. How will carrier aviation survive without their astute leadership and accomplishments? Certainly a Navy Achievement Medal is in there somewhere, although posthumous. Bottom Line - they flew into a mountain (yes men do it as well) when they should have called it a day when encountering bad weather on the so called "Routine" low level flight expensive Growlers have no business performing. Jam enemy radars and communications from 30,000 feet not 200 feet in the mountains. Hopefully the accident investigation will hammer the Growler community on this frivolus mission profile with a very expensive and scarce asset.The "Zappers" just trashed 20% of their training aids. Good thing they didn't crash into the Super Bowl, as if that was an important fact to know. More important - does anyone know who was playing??
@keeythnnevada5107 How delusional can you be? Verge of Saint Hood. Omg, that is the funniest thing ever. How do you know what kind of leaders they were? First female flyover. Ok. Seems that didn't matter. Role models? Do you know what kind of women they were? Did you know them personally? They were not the first female pilots to fly combat missions over the ground. If you check, you will find out that Lt. Kimberly Dyson was the first female pilot to fly combat missions. Oh yea, that was in 1994, November 15th, I'm thinking that was 30 years ago. What type of new warfare tactics did they pioneer? If they were women of influence, why had no one heard of them before now? These two aren't the only females Growler pilots. I find it interesting that you think these two are far superior to the first female Navy pilots to become a member of the Blue Angels. It seems that you think these two are more of a trailblazer than Amelia Earhart. You member her, don't you? Have you ever heard of Richard Ian Tate? In case you haven't, she was the first female pilot to fly around the world. The point here is, 1. These two were nothing special and far from Saint Hood. 2. You can't be a trailblazer if someone has done that before you.
Apparently the instrumentation had been changed to include readouts to monitor the planes identity and feelings status therby contributing to confusion in the cockpit.
I don’t know what caused this crash, but I once flew with an all female crew while I was a C-130 Crew Chief in the Air Force the pilot, copilot, navigator, engineer and load master were all females, it was a weak of bickering, snapping at each other, gossiping about each other…zero and I mean zero crew integrity! I hope this wasn’t pilot error, but I know all to well, one of those motors could’ve gotten them out of any situation….
Sounds more like CFIT than malfunction given the weather conditions and no attempt to eject or communicate trouble. Maybe TAWS not activated? God bless these pilots and their families.
It is such a shame that DEI has compromised our military standards. Previous women pilots could know they got the job only through merit and qualifications, now no one can be sure.
If you only knew. There are so many trans and f a t bodies now. There are literally no standards. They let you have your phone in basic now. Along with ice cream and given 30 mins to eat each meal. And they aren't allowed to yell at you. All by design
Female pilots have existed since pretty much the start of aviation. Ever heard of Amelia Earhart (likely died due to the mistake of her male navigator) and Elly Beinhorn?
One must ask the hard question have we lowered the standards for political correctness…… It has to be asked not only was this tragic but it was really freaking expensive
How many winning women race car drivers are there? Democrats haven't yet threatened Nascar and F1 to have more women drivers because they likely can't win and then nobody will watch them? Guberment mandates are they only way women can get a seat.
Is there not a system in this plane that warns the crew there is terrain dead ahead,like "whup whup Pull up !" A radar altimeter showing rapidly rising terrain ahead?
First question to ask is what was the maintance history of the aircraft? If the jet was good to go (MEL) then the medicals for the crew. Training of the crew? Gender of the crew is way down the list. The state of the art electronics on the growlers are not there to make the plane crash-proof. They are there to detect, analyze, and counter threats to the strike packages they protect.
Men are supposed to be the warriors, women stay at home and raise children. Get out of our fighting military aircraft. Leave the fighting to real men. I respect women in the home where they belong.
I went to Southwest Asia and back with a woman copilot who handled the stopover landing in Spain at night in fog. Your idea of ‘respect’ may differ just a little from people who actually put effort into what they do for a living. Which includes a lot of us in uniform
Too bad you're not allowed to tell woman driver jokes anymore. Not sure how flying into the side of a mountain makes one "brave". Maybe they were trying to pull over and get directions. Two more recipients of the Kara "Revlon" Hultgren "Definitely Not Pilot Error Award". Congratulations, girls!
@@swiftusmaximus5651 that is not kind, the mission needed to be altered for bad weather. That is a much tougher route that anything in the middle East.
@@redjetsen1002 DEI Navy crew crashed a P8 recently. 3 out 4 DEI Captains in NZ have crashed theyre ships, a DEI US Navy Captain was recently relieved, yeah right. Tampon up or else
I live in North Vancouver BC and a mile above me on grouse mountain there is a wreck site of an f86 Sabre that was lost in bad weather in the 1950s mistaking Vancouver for McChord AFB some 175 miles away, these things happen , especially in rainy season 😢
Hard to believe it was a mechanical failure, ejection almost always saves the day. Sounds to me like low level flying coupled with low visibility conditions. At 400 knots a mountain can come up on you very quickly. From what the navy said no personal radio beacon locator, nor ejection seat locator. Those aircraft carry both devices. One on pilot and one on seat. The seat beacon is automatically activated upon ejection. It’s sad to read of their lost life.
Not to rag on the capabilities of these two female pilots, but if this crash had been with two male pilots the media would have found an "aviation expert" who would have blamed them immediately.
dei at it's finest and all fEmALe bravado is so annoying. i am sorry but i will never accept that woman can be equally good fighter pilot as a man. different psyche, different reaction speed, different everything. not a single good woman driver in racing sports for exactly the same reason.
@@6by6by6 "killing" "dragstrip". Yeah right. Now let's look at wrc (one or two exceptions), f1, nascar, rallies... Those women exist but are not catching stars you know...
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90% of the report has nothing to do with the accident. It's just a eulogy by someone who doesn't have a clue as to what they are talking about.
Who is this aviation expert? The fact that they didn't eject coupled with the weather conditions points more to a CFIT rather than mechanical failure.
We all know what happened. They were arguing over a man in the cockpit.
A Viet Nam Veteran friend, an A-6 driver, said "always add 500 feet for Mom"
I was going to comment above, but then I saw your comment. I'm in full agreement with you. I would think there would be some comms or they would have at least attempted to eject if there were some mechanical failure especially in that terrain. It's more likely they just drove into the mountain not realizing it was there.
The "expert" is probably a bookworm who read a few books on the subject.
All the experts I’ve seen agree that it was most likely a CFIT. I have no idea which "expert" would push something else unless they were hedging their bets and their comment was taken out of context.
What are the odds the Navy will give us the REAL reason for the crash?
ZERO- Kara Hultgreen took 2 decades.
Mt Rainer is a mysterious mountain. I would never want to fly close to that mountain. This is so similar to Captain Craig Buttons mysterious crash in his A10.
I was going to write something snidely here-the temptation is great-and decided not to. Stealing a line from ‘A Few Good Men’, these two aviators pledged to us civlians, “No harm will come to you tonight. Not on my watch.” And they lost their lives while training to the best of their abilities.
Are you thinking it was bigfoot?
@@MegaTriumph1 The crash was near White Pass. 1:20 White Pass is about 25 miles southeast of Mt. Rainier.
I'm very surprised the comments are not disabled 💯
RUclips already basically disables anything worth reading
Il be surprised if this comment even lands , because RUclips is trailing me a deleting since my last comment on the topic
@@OrnamentalHermitVisage yeah, mine too.
Don't censor truth... No matter how bad it stings.
standby
Why would anyone suspect a mechanical failure? 80% of aviation mishaps are from human error. If it was a mechanical failure then they probably would have been able to eject.
Yes, but Mechanical failure fits the narrative better. Because diversity is our strength! Don't 'cha know.
100% they flew into the mountain due to low visibility.
It has to be mechanical failure because woman pilots never make mistakes.
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@@squarebodybuilder. Agreed. Thats why they didn’t eject. They didn’t see it coming.
CFIT.
I think it’s called pilot error when you have controlled flight into terrain.
It's also gender neutral.
@@jondrew55to be fair, military contractors often like to use these things to blame their problems on. Either way I won't believe any reason they put out for this crash.
@@chrissinclair4442 almost certainly this will end up as pilot error flying into the mountain in bad weather. Whether it’s due to poor flight planning, bad navigation, spatial disorientation etc. it happens all too frequently. Miktary pilots train to fly in conditions others should stay on the ground for.
@@jondrew55 that is very possible but there is a third option. Have you seen all the electronic warfare Russia has been doing screwing with planes and ships? This could also be some cols war electronic warfare by almost anyone, including one of our military contractors running experiments or proof of concept.
I will never trust whatever is said about it.
Exactly..women should NOT be flying fighters😢
Straight to the comments
Cause of crash. Malfunctioning Tampon Dispenser in the Cockpit
@@swiftusmaximus5651
Yeah dude, you already said that and nobody liked it the first time. Have some respect and give it a rest.
@@swiftusmaximus5651😂😂😂 so true.
@@swiftusmaximus5651 - Tim Walz approves this message.
@@kennychad2821
In the end, it will turn out that these guys are right. It always does.
You can’t be a trail blazer if the thing has already been done.
For over 100 years women have been flying.
They blazed a trail through those trees and into those rocks
they blazed a trail alright....
@@kraziphilli1 ouch
They mean the brush fire where the crashed plane was found I think
The fact that they didn't eject is exactly why the suspicion falls on pilot error. This reporting is BS.
CFIT - hence no ejection.
It's possible.
The first trailblazing female crewed P8 also crashed…
A pattern emerges....
@@Truth_Trigrz_Libz DEI
NZ navy salvage and mapping ship sank
And F-14, I believe.
Small price to pay for female empowerment. The ground is very sexist.
Pilot error is way more likely than mechanical failure.
Augered in.
the new Tampon Dispensers now mandatory in all military Cockpits are prone to jam.
@@swiftusmaximus5651 Stupid people trying to be funny. Always painful.
@@stefanschutz5166But you have heard of me.
@@swiftusmaximus5651 I think it had much more to do with flying close to mountains in low visibilitiy conditions. Any aviator will tell you that thats inherently dangerous.
These two, the pilot of the helicopter that slammed into the radio tower, the captain of the $150M New Zealand ship now at the bottom of the ocean
I'm noticing a pattern, a very "diverse" pattern...
There was a P8 that ended up in the drink too.
All the Feminism and politically correct bullshit is starting to catch up with us.
Definitely a DEI pattern!!!
We are just paying the DEI debt
Hey bro, diversity is our strength! It’s just a very costly strength.
Came to find the story behind the story. Found it in the comments.
from wkikpedia......female pilots allowed to fly when a man would have failed the training.... Hultgreen's death has been used by critics who believe the Navy has put political considerations ahead of safety and morale concerns and who oppose women flying combat aircraft.[9] Elaine Donnelly of the Center for Military Readiness suggested that Hultgreen "may have been the victim of a flawed policy" that overlooked her mistakes in training, two of which were similar to those that caused her death, and that Hultgreen and her fellow promoted female pilot, Carey Dunai Lohrenz, were repeatedly continued through training despite unusually low scores and mistakes that would have washed out male trainees.
I’ll bet my boots it wasn’t mechanical failure
A picture is worth one thousand words
yes , it was a jammed Tampon dispenser in the Cockpit
What size are the boots?
@@frankblangeard8865 m sure the Tampon will fit loose
@@swiftusmaximus5651 You would know! You have made this comment so many times now, we can tell you are an expert on them. We all know exactly where yours is jammed right now!! 🍑🤡🤣
When DEI and reality meet head on.
I was thinking about that but the DEI factor may be somewhere else, not the pilots. Still... it makes no sense to crash just like that. the only time something like that happened was a pilot who committed suicide and he was by himself.
@@vjreiIn 2020 in Death Valley a navy jet crashed just like this, he was flying low in the canyon and ended up slamming into the side of it with zero chance of ejection.
@@vjreinah it was dei lol New Zealand was crazy enough to put one in charge of a 100 million dollar ship and she sank it recently 😂
How do you explain all of the plane crashes piloted by men?
@@christophergray7535 Thought she could get through the crack in the queef uhh I mean reef.
Now it all makes sense...
yep! 👍
Complete sense.
I have no iDEI what you're talking about
Sadly I do... and I am sick of it!
“Quotas” are destroying the world
Probably CFIT. Flying around mountains in poor weather is different from flying over the sea in the Middle East.
You see what I see.. And we did it without being sexist.. :))
You spelled DEI wrong.
Poor weather? On 15 October? It was great weather here, by western WA standards.
@@WestCoastVisitor Probably ? ? You don't know yet you comment. You are a fool for disrespecting the lives of the dead.
The recent helicopter crash in Houston with four fatalities was also a female pilot.
Reminder: the public is paying for this DEI folly. $67 million dollars in the case of this plane.
No lesson(s) will be learned from this
"Lessons" are almost always learned from aviation accidents. That's why aviation becomes safer over time. But certain people never learn, thereby making the same mistakes over and over, and remain burdened with erroneous perceptions.
@jlvandat69 the lesson that's needed won't be learned... meaning they will continue to keep letting women do stuff they shouldn't be doing...
@@jlvandat69 kinda like americunts waging endless wars to spread your anal democracy throughout the world, without attempting to understanding why you always fail.
Slava Rossii 🇷🇺 Z 🇷🇺
FO troll.
@@jaysonpida5379 😂😂😂 woke dei warrior😂😂😂
Why were these women put in a fighter jet???? Ridiculous
I just watch last week, the First Lesbian Navy Commander from New Zealand sink $100 million ship
Yep 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s how I suspected these two pilots would be females and sadly I was correct.
Many such cases.
The vessels commander was actually English.
and, what are you saying? And yeah, she was British...
Reminds me of the New Zealand captain that destroyed her ship recently... Qualified ?
C'mon man. The coral reef sank that ship, not the captain. She was just trying to parallel park the boat and was distracted by a kitten video.
Maybe she was just trying to live HER truth... but unfortunately the other truth involved happened to be not watery enough for the boatie she was driving
She was a teacher, they gave her a high rank and then a ship...
SUPER QUALIFIED!
Facepalm 🤦♀️
Qualified ??? you bet😂😂😂
Maybe she got hit with a torpedo by the Wolf Pack.
DEI triumphs again . I'm sure they were the most qualified amongst all potential candidates at the time.
Patrolling over water and flat sand landscape is not like flying in bad weather through the most dangerous mountain range in the country.
I think they screwed up. It takes a very special skillset to pilot an aircraft at high speed, during bad weather, with limited visibility, and relying mostly on instruments. Now imagine trying to do all of that while flying nap of the earth and closely following the terrain. I think they crashed. They were flying too low for the terrain. I don’t think they had enough experience for that type of flying. To be honest, I don’t think they ever had the aptitude. Lowering the standards for the sake of inclusion got these women killed.
@@leroyjenkins4811 Whidbey Island NAS loses one of their aircraft about every ten years or so doing what this crew was probably doing. I have seen these aircraft on radar evading training runs in the Cascade range while hiking and skiing many times since the 1980's (EA-6B's) and they were usually tracking at 300 knots or so through the valley below where I was. The prior version had four crew members and they hit the ground in a relatively flat areas of eastern Washington back in the 1990's. Four men died in that accident.
@@gmarie701
What was your point exactly with that? Because let me be clear, I don’t think these female pilots crashed because women don’t make good pilots. No. I believe these women crashed because they were women and were allowed to stay in a flight program that relaxed the standards to keep them in without them having to meet the rigorous training standards precisely because they’re women. Over the course of their careers they were pushed into roles that were purposefully less demanding simply because they’re women (training officer, flying relatively easy missions over relatively flat terrain/open water, no real chance of engagement with the enemy, etc). And when it came time to live up to the rigorous standards of flying close to terrain features at high speed during bad weather, something a pilot of this caliber would have to be proficient at in order to do their job, they didn’t have the skill to pull it off and crashed. Why? They’d never really had a requirement to do so. If they had been men, they would have been washed out of the program and they would have had a career flying another airframe. They would have been upset about washing out and having to fly something else but at least they’d be alive. They wouldn’t have lost their lives trying to pilot an aircraft that was clearly beyond their skill level. Somebody, somewhere decided to make it a point to group these women together into this all female flying group in order to make a point. And that point had nothing to do with the women’s actual skill as pilots.
I say this because I served in the military. 15 years US Army Airborne. I went through Airborne school in ‘96. ALL of the women in my class dropped out. ALL OF THEM! And a lot of men quit too. If you’re good enough to meet and exceed the standards, you’ve earned your place and you deserve to stay. If you don’t meet the standard, you’re gone. There was no harassment from the instructors. There wasn’t any encouragement either. Either you performed the task correctly or you were outta there! I would not want to serve next to someone who was there for political reasons as opposed to someone who could just do the job.
When you put gender politics, gender ideology, and gender visibility over making sure our military members are actually trained enough to do their jobs, people die.
After the investigation is completed, I don’t think any mechanical faults and failures will be discovered. I think we can attribute this to pilot error. They crashed and it was more than likely their own fault. They weren’t good enough. And the situation showed them just how incompetent and inadequate they were. You don’t get a second chance in an aircraft when you mess up. Mess ups like that are usually fatal.
@@leroyjenkins4811 Thank you Sir.. Well said..
Don't most pilot fly AROUND or OVER mountains, or is that a male thing?
The pilot failed to fly with instruments such as altimeter and attitude indicator, I’m certain she experienced spatial disorientation or just negligence due to poor weather and low clouds. This is completely avoidable considering the aircraft will give automated verbal warning of altitude; moreover, military aircraft such as F-18 Growlers have powerful radar that can map out terrain such as mountains. Someone may say I don’t know what I’m talking about but if it were mechanical the pilots would have ejected. The fact that they didn’t eject indicates they had no idea where they were before they slammed into a mountain.
As a pilot myself, I can say with certainty that those Naval Aviators were indeed flying with an altimeter and attitude indicator. It's standard on military aircraft. I do think that this was flight into terrain due to not being able to see said terrain, but that's just what I think. The Navy and NTSB will find out.
@@avestuart The Navy will cover it up for 20 years either way.
@avestuart I never doubted they had they had an altimeter and attitude indicator as every aircraft has those. My guess is they were not properly monitoring their instruments be it special disorientation or being distracted or pre occupied with something else.
Most likely what you said is true. There was no time to eject. It's impossible to see while flying through thick clouds.
@@kountrygunz2032 What's to cover-up? Their pilots have mishaps and accidents, it happens. My experience is that they'll use them as teaching tools. Not many years ago a buddy of mine was a student Naval Aviator, two instructors who were very experienced (both male) flew a T-34 Mentor into icing conditions . Icing formed on the wings and they dropped, the ice also froze the canopy shut and they couldn't get out (the T-34 didn't have ejection seats). They both died in the accident. While examining the wreckage they found bloody prints on the canopy handles from the pilots desperately trying to get it open. They used this incident to teach the hazards of icing to new students.
Well…..it’s not the peak of the peak airplane. They didn’t eject means a mechanical issue? More likely disorientation
This was pilot error I will put my life on it.
- Air Force Veteran
C-5 Galaxy Crew Chief
Flying a growler is not “peak of the peak”.
pretty dangerous if china or russia is the opponent though.
@@peetky8645Flying a Cessna would be dangerous against them you bafoon.
When it comes to jamming the airwaves so bad you can’t even use a transistor radio it most certainly the hell is!🤣
More than you’ll ever do that’s for sure.
@@MannyL-g3m and… my statement still stands
One pilot looks to be quite overweight…DEI hires got two ppl killed…it takes years to get to this point..DEI hasn’t been around long enough..I guarantee they have a fraction of the hours real fighter pilots have to have to fly in naval combat missions.
This. I pretty much ignored the prevailing dei comments. While it is a thing, I do think women most certainly can be amazing military pilots. However, I don’t see how Evans was fit to fly. Physical standards are there for a reason and the other pilot looked very fit, so it’s achievable. They have to be required to maintain fitness, regardless of gender.
@@JustAnotherPaddy years ago..the navy did a IMAX on its fighter pilots…also being a naval sailor myself, I know what use to be required…I’m well aware of the changes to the standard instituted at the academy..there was a fast track for a lot of people…one of the top naval brass is an “it” along with many in military leadership these days..folks who didn’t go up in rank or spend the time (takes 20+ years to get to some of these positions) it take to even qualify for the positions. Everything the navy use to do required time and training plus passing a test…the point of DEI is not to promote but rather to degrade the military capability…which it’s actually achieved faster than they’d hoped
@@therealBocaStudios I rewatched this and noted the all female superbowl flyover team. 3 of the four were complete pie wagons that I couldn’t imagine fitting in a plane. I’m not against everyone getting a shot, but as you pointed out…merit and standards have to be adhered to.
@@JustAnotherPaddy"Pie wagons" 😂🤣😂🤣😂
Yes but DEI hires can learn anything in seconds or even minutes never mind the weeks of basic training or any other training. It's useless for DEI's to train because they already know everything there is to know. Remember They Are Trailblazers!!
The Navy has lost its way. Bring back common sense.
100% responsible for the deaths of these two Angels. The PC BS in US military MUST stop. Think about all the lives these ladies could have saved and helped if they had instead been US Naval NURSES or Doctors …..When will America Ever learn ❓🌹🌹❓Yes, I am an old timer that remembers when this nations military used Common Sense instead of this “feel good” PC insanity that has caused soooo many needless deaths of good people……
With todays generation, the military must be desperate to take anyone.
More DEI?
Politicians and BIG NAVY need to be held accountable. These pilots DID NOT Qualify themselves.
I bet they both had top honors when they graduated from flight school. The Best of The Best!! Holy
They seem to have something in common... Can't quite put my finger on it....
One thing I know for certain here is that they have nothing in common with you! These women were successful, they earned those wings, they made a difference in the world. This is more than we can say for many armchair experts opining here on youtube - people such as yourself.
@@nohandleleft well, you're certainly right when you said they made a bigger dent in the world.
@@nohandleleft Dead successful,lol!!!! I served in the USN back when it was really battle ready,50 years ago. I also worked at NNSY,PSNS,Bangor Sub Base for another 20 years. We men actually worked and repaired the equipment to work as designed and operated our ships and planes mostly without issues.If it broke we fixed it and we overhauled aircraft carriers in 11 months.Do you know it now takes up to 6 years to do what we did in less than a year? Get ready to see us lose the next big war because we have a bunch of woke citizens who were never required to grow up. USN,US Army,US Air Force are not battle ready and recruiting is at an all time low with most unable to pass any type of physical or mental test to qualify. Lowering the standards has worked out so well for us as this incident shows. It has all transpired as planned by our enemies and now we are getting close to collapse. Hell, I just feel sorry for all those who are young enough that they will likely have their lives cut short when the bombs rain down by an enemy who no longer fears us because they know what most here refuse to see,our military services have embraced this woke crap while destroying the capability to really accomplish missions with high reliability.
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@@paulcallicoat7597amen brother
Two more qualified guys were passed over for their positions.
Meh, I highly doubt it. Best of the best go down at times. They don't like to play around and put unqualified pilots in multi million dollar aircraft.
@@Chris-fq4xzwith all due respect, sometimes being qualified doesn't cut it. Certain jobs require that extra instinct to excel.
Rumor has it that 3 curbs were hit on the taxi way and they were arguing what was for dinner causing judgement to be questioned while flying.
I heard it was a clear case of " hold the stick while i do my nails " .
Someone was trying to tell them to be more careful but they were too busy using the comms system to gossip
The comments did not disappoint nothing more American than making fun of people who died serving their country.
@@joejohnston1776 WTF?
@@mikusoxlongius ahh I see calling it what it is, is where the line is drawn.
Such a tragic loss. Sending love and prayers to the Families and Friends. RIP 💟🙏💟
I know... That plane was expensive.
RIP...DEI
@@swiftusmaximus5651 I actually had that same thought
Just think of the two men that were better qualified and passed over to make room for more girl pilots.
Dei working well
Absolutely. Men are never involved in plane crashes.
@@fes5956did you get dropped on your head or something? Show some respect. And wtf would you know about being a pilot? I’m sure you in your 40’s with a crippling alcohol problem and a ex wife. Is it your moms or grand mom’s basement you live in?
My 93 year old granpda crashed a jet into the ocean and lived to talk about it. The navy has been crashing jets for some time.
Like John McClain, who would have never been accepted into Annapolis without dad and grand dad. Would have been a staff officer at best
@@NiaLaLa_Vyour grandpa was flying at age 93? That’s probably why he crashed.
P8 overshoots runway in hawaii - all female crew
NZ female commander runs 100M ship aground, catches fire and sinks
F18 crash from trailblazing female crew
nothing like selective cherry picking, is there? comments reflect bigotry
@@ardeladimwit
Facts hurt your feels eh sweetie
@@ardeladimwitPattern recognition. Ignore at your own peril.
@@ardeladimwityou must have brown eyes with your head that far up your own backside.
So what about the thousands of aviation & maritime accidents caused by male crews?
That mountain has been there for a million years.... it didn't jump in front of them 😅.
This Navy aircraft had far superior electronic detection equipment compared to other Navy fighter/bombers.......BUT, they couldn't see a huge mountain in front of them?
the Tampon Dispenser in the cockpit malfucntioned
They were arguing over a man, rumor has it..
They tried to parallel park in traffic…
@@8urface well the map said "park ahead", so they did.
Their last words were OOPS.
“unreachable by motor vehicle”.
Literally trailblazing.
They exemplified the best of America ?
Or they exemplified the best of DEI ?
the latter
@@swiftusmaximus5651oh macho man. Real tough guy, hiding behind your keyboard. Must belong to the orange cult?
@@paulj4155 aren’t you also hiding behind a keyboard?
@@Green-aiderhaha😊
@@paulj4155 Dont you have some Jirds to load?
DEI at its finest
You are a terrible person to say that. And ignorant. Soy
Were they arguing over a man when the crash happened?
Not Trail Blazers DEI victims.
Because a straight white man has never had an aviation accident, like ever.
The taxpayers are the victims!
@@timdake Your parents became victims when they had you. Your low intelligence no doubt caused them a lot of pain.
TAWS...
Terrain, terrain, terrain, pull up, pull up, pull up...."Huh"? "Are they talking to us?" Sound of impact....
Too busy gossiping with each other.
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They flew one of the most sophisticated combat aircraft into terrain. Anybody care to argue?
@@socaljarhead7670 Bro, stop making sense.
Trailblazing??
They were blazing after smacking the terrain
Mountains ablaze
Left their "mark"...
Ouch
Trail Blazers, Role Models, Women of Influence, Rising Stars, Pioneering New Warfare Tactics, First To Fly Combat Missions Over Land, Made History As First Ever All Female Super Bowl Flyover. Anyone see a pattern here? These gals were angelic on the verge of saint hood. How will carrier aviation survive without their astute leadership and accomplishments? Certainly a Navy Achievement Medal is in there somewhere, although posthumous. Bottom Line - they flew into a mountain (yes men do it as well) when they should have called it a day when encountering bad weather on the so called "Routine" low level flight expensive Growlers have no business performing. Jam enemy radars and communications from 30,000 feet not 200 feet in the mountains. Hopefully the accident investigation will hammer the Growler community on this frivolus mission profile with a very expensive and scarce asset.The "Zappers" just trashed 20% of their training aids. Good thing they didn't crash into the Super Bowl, as if that was an important fact to know. More important - does anyone know who was playing??
This comment should be pinned at the top.
@@BELCAN57 Indeed.
Very well said
@keeythnnevada5107 How delusional can you be? Verge of Saint Hood. Omg, that is the funniest thing ever. How do you know what kind of leaders they were? First female flyover. Ok. Seems that didn't matter. Role models? Do you know what kind of women they were? Did you know them personally? They were not the first female pilots to fly combat missions over the ground. If you check, you will find out that Lt. Kimberly Dyson was the first female pilot to fly combat missions. Oh yea, that was in 1994, November 15th, I'm thinking that was 30 years ago. What type of new warfare tactics did they pioneer? If they were women of influence, why had no one heard of them before now? These two aren't the only females Growler pilots. I find it interesting that you think these two are far superior to the first female Navy pilots to become a member of the Blue Angels. It seems that you think these two are more of a trailblazer than Amelia Earhart. You member her, don't you? Have you ever heard of Richard Ian Tate? In case you haven't, she was the first female pilot to fly around the world. The point here is, 1. These two were nothing special and far from Saint Hood. 2. You can't be a trailblazer if someone has done that before you.
@@marcussmith3969 Are you really that naive? You missed the whole point of those sarcastic comments! Try again!
Oh that explains things.
Sen Murray... gag me.
This certainly wasn't a DEI accident... was it..
@@forestdweller512 Corn field, bat and shovel...
How is she still there? She is still just a "Mom in tennis shoes" with a perpetual scowl on her face..
The fact that they didn’t eject, points more towards CFIT, not mechanical error. Who’s that old man trying to fool here?
How dare you call it a cockpit.
Right, they were in a cuntpit.
It will be called a gashpit from now on. Female pilots only.
I'm afraid they flew into a granite cloud...Condolences to their family and friends.
Very little granite in that area of Washington.
A man and a woman are driving along the road. The car has a flat tire. Does the woman go out and change the tire while the man sits and waits?
DEI is a failure
DEI Hire? Women in Combat environment is Nothing more that a DISASTER!
Your comment is a disaster.
@@avestuart 5-year-old creativity
@@SlashHarkenUltra Oh what a great, creative reply you gave. I can tell that you're Nobel Prize material.
@@avestuart Hahahaha! Go pound Sand Boy.
@@avestuart we can tell you're crying
RIP, US Naval Aviators. Fair Winds and Following Seas.
yall already know
trust me i can fly and make tiktoks at the same time..
Most accidents like this are from CFIT. Controlled Flight into terrain. There are many similar accidents over the years.
Condolences to the families of both these women! Thank you for your service, both of you!
Apparently the instrumentation had been changed to include readouts to monitor the planes identity and feelings status therby contributing to confusion in the cockpit.
DEI strikes again.
My condolences to the families of these two courageous women who did what they loved. Thank you for your service to America.
*HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED*
identities revealed
*makes sense*
I don’t know what caused this crash, but I once flew with an all female crew while I was a C-130 Crew Chief in the Air Force the pilot, copilot, navigator, engineer and load master were all females, it was a weak of bickering, snapping at each other, gossiping about each other…zero and I mean zero crew integrity! I hope this wasn’t pilot error, but I know all to well, one of those motors could’ve gotten them out of any situation….
LOL, you were never in the Air Force
Sure you did, then the breaker popped and your computer shut down
No you didn’t.
@@avestuartDo you think Crew Chiefs just don’t have RUclips?
I bet your “MOS” was a 42R.
The trail blazed a trail into a mountain.
A murder suicide?
Sounds more like CFIT than malfunction given the weather conditions and no attempt to eject or communicate trouble. Maybe TAWS not activated? God bless these pilots and their families.
It is such a shame that DEI has compromised our military standards. Previous women pilots could know they got the job only through merit and qualifications, now no one can be sure.
Exactly!
nonsense.... the Tampon dispenser in the Cockpit malfunctioned
If you only knew. There are so many trans and f a t bodies now. There are literally no standards. They let you have your phone in basic now. Along with ice cream and given 30 mins to eat each meal. And they aren't allowed to yell at you. All by design
Female pilots have existed since pretty much the start of aviation. Ever heard of Amelia Earhart (likely died due to the mistake of her male navigator) and Elly Beinhorn?
ideally a person's photo, gender or colour isn't on the application and the best of the best are selected
Sad to see these trail blazers DEI
Over confidence can be deadly.
Everyone is sick of DEI. How many men with better qualifications were passed over just so they could have a woman pilot.
Right, because male pilots have NEVER crashed nor had any sort of accident while flying in the entire history of aviation.
Jesus, people. Be smarter
@@avestuartMen never take off and then immediately kamikaze into a mountain 😂
Stupid comment.
@@avestuartthis is the 3rd time you have written this same comment.
@@mds1422 And i'll write it a fourth time if I need to do so
Oh great, DEI hires. It all makes sense now.
So straight white men have NEVER had an accident in the history of aviation, ever, right?
Jesus you're a bunch of dummies. My god, people. My god.
EJECT no you eject no you first no you go fir... splat
One must ask the hard question have we lowered the standards for political correctness…… It has to be asked not only was this tragic but it was really freaking expensive
How many winning women race car drivers are there? Democrats haven't yet threatened Nascar and F1 to have more women drivers because they likely can't win and then nobody will watch them? Guberment mandates are they only way women can get a seat.
CFIT. Controlled flight into terrain. DEI for sure.
Hey Navy, how's the DEI working for you?
RIP ladies and thank you for your service,. condolences to family and friends of these two.
Didn't you know many consider it offensive and sexist to use the term 'ladies'?
I consider the word offensive offensive.
Is there not a system in this plane that warns the crew there is terrain dead ahead,like "whup whup Pull up !" A radar altimeter showing rapidly rising terrain ahead?
yeah so how can a state of the art electronic equipped aircraft crash. this aircraft have every known sensor device known to man yet it crashes.
First question to ask is what was the maintance history of the aircraft? If the jet was good to go (MEL) then the medicals for the crew. Training of the crew? Gender of the crew is way down the list.
The state of the art electronics on the growlers are not there to make the plane crash-proof. They are there to detect, analyze, and counter threats to the strike packages they protect.
This is pilot error.
Men are supposed to be the warriors, women stay at home and raise children. Get out of our fighting military aircraft. Leave the fighting to real men. I respect women in the home where they belong.
LOL, again, because a man has never had an aviation accident, ever.
sure you do
I went to Southwest Asia and back with a woman copilot who handled the stopover landing in Spain at night in fog. Your idea of ‘respect’ may differ just a little from people who actually put effort into what they do for a living. Which includes a lot of us in uniform
Deepest Condolences
I fell bad for the mountain, it didn't deserve this. All those poor trees
Too bad you're not allowed to tell woman driver jokes anymore. Not sure how flying into the side of a mountain makes one "brave". Maybe they were trying to pull over and get directions. Two more recipients of the Kara "Revlon" Hultgren "Definitely Not Pilot Error Award". Congratulations, girls!
RIP….thank you for your service…
CFIT
Very sad , it’s been a bad year for women with boats and planes, with great respect and sympathy it does make you wonder how suited they are.
It's a bad year for taxpayers that are on the hook to pay for the destroyed equipment and environmental damage.
@timdake on the upside the admiral Rachelle Levine has it handled. Is that his name I can never remember.
A female tour helicopter pilot killed a family this weekend by flying into a known tower near downtown Houston.
@@timdake what damage...they were just trail blazing...
R.I.P. 🙏 so sad and tragic.
Fair winds and following seas ladies. Thank you for your sacrifice to our nation.
No sacrifice to our nation other than $$$
Many consider it offensive and sexist to use the term 'ladies'.
@@ohsweetmystery Only those who aren't worth listening to.
@@ohsweetmystery are you offended?
@@ohsweetmysterythese Ladies were DEI hires...how's that for sexism
❤️RIP. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE 🇺🇲
That training run goes through the mountains to the Columbia, they make a fast left at Hood River. Difficult on a perfect weather day.
impossible for DEI Pilots with a malfunctioning Tampon dispenser in the cockpit
@@swiftusmaximus5651 that is not kind, the mission needed to be altered for bad weather. That is a much tougher route that anything in the middle East.
@@redjetsen1002 DEI Navy crew crashed a P8 recently. 3 out 4 DEI Captains in NZ have crashed theyre ships, a DEI US Navy Captain was recently relieved, yeah right. Tampon up or else
So how many others have crashed?
I live in North Vancouver BC and a mile above me on grouse mountain there is a wreck site of an f86 Sabre that was lost in bad weather in the 1950s mistaking Vancouver for McChord AFB some 175 miles away, these things happen , especially in rainy season 😢
Slight difference between stick and rudder F86 and an EA18
It’s 2024, F-18s have GPS you know and terrain avoidance systems.
Hard to believe it was a mechanical failure, ejection almost always saves the day. Sounds to me like low level flying coupled with low visibility conditions. At 400 knots a mountain can come up on you very quickly. From what the navy said no personal radio beacon locator, nor ejection seat locator. Those aircraft carry both devices. One on pilot and one on seat. The seat beacon is automatically activated upon ejection. It’s sad to read of their lost life.
Brave people.
Trail Blazers? LMAO! Russian women were flying combat missions over 80 years ago! My money is on pilot error.
Strong woman dont want babies strong woman is a pilot go strong woman watch out for that mountain strong woman
What drug r u on today?
Sounds like the 1st female Tomcat F-14 pilot , Navy Brass Vs Reality
Not to rag on the capabilities of these two female pilots, but if this crash had been with two male pilots the media would have found an "aviation expert" who would have blamed them immediately.
dei at it's finest and all fEmALe bravado is so annoying. i am sorry but i will never accept that woman can be equally good fighter pilot as a man. different psyche, different reaction speed, different everything. not a single good woman driver in racing sports for exactly the same reason.
Sorry but you lost me at women drivers, NHRA is full of women killing it on the Dragstrip …
@@6by6by6 "killing" "dragstrip". Yeah right. Now let's look at wrc (one or two exceptions), f1, nascar, rallies... Those women exist but are not catching stars you know...
. thats cause theres no turning required.
He’s talking about overall not some niche.
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THIS IS SO SAD. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY. ❤❤