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The vstrom 800de doesnt feel that heavy. I own one and its very easy to pick up. I dont understand the torque values compared to the transalp. The de has way more torque down low where as the transalp needs rung out.
"it's very easy to pick up." I like hearing this. We Baby Boomers just don't have the strength anymore to be picking up big adventure bikes. May I ask how old you are and maybe explain a bit more about picking up this bike.
I sold my T7 and purchased the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure SW. Gotta have spoked wheels. For me it was a game changer, I'm having more fun off-road due to weight and lower center of gravity. The bike also has plenty of power on the road as well. Really fun bike. Lot's of aftermarket piece's available for the bike to add for content. Good luck on your choice.
Too funny dude. Traded my Gen3 in on a Yellow/blue 800DE--Couldn't pay me to go back to a KLR (do love them tho). RE 450 is too heavy for what it is. The new 390 ADV spy photos look like that will be a great small ADV. TA750 is great and all, just looks like a parts-bin bike Honda threw together IMO. They can do so much better..... I hope Honda offers an up-spec model with better suspension. New VStrom just feels like Suzuki really tried to compete. It is SUPRISINGLY good off road. Internet needs a Tenere to VStrom convert! Like to hear how you feel they compare. I knew you'd come around.... 😁
The yellow/blue color scheme on the 800DE is really sharp. I even love the grey as well. I appreciate that they took a chance, as opposed to Honda and their matte black rendition on the TA. The Euro model TA looked nice, shame they couldn't bring it across the pond.
I've owned almost a lot of dual sports and adventure bikes, and when the V-strom 800DE came out, I was skeptical, but ended up riding it. After that ride, I bought one. Found a great deal on it and it is sweet. Excellent suspension, excellent motor, and super comfortable. It is also crazy smooth. I looked at the transalp, but decided against it, because after a skid plate, the bike sits too low to the ground and it absolutely needs the skid plate, so you don't rip off the oil pan that sticks out on the bottom. I'm sure the transalp is a pleasure to ride, but I think the V-strom is a better bike.
I just bought my 800 de, loving it, I think suzuki also had discount pricing in December, a lot of dealers usually keep that discount going for a bit, mine was $2000 off original price! As far as it's weight, this is only my 2nd motorcycle ever, my first was a tiny royal enfield meteor meteor 350, and I'll say this, the v strom to me feels lighter, way easier to ride and maneuver both while riding, and just moving the thing around in the garage. I can even easily push it up my driveway with an incline. Suzuki did an amazing job hiding its weight.
I have taken my KTM 390 Adventure all over. I have ridden extreme offroad in Death Valley NP and I have also distance long distance travel on this bike all the way to La Paz, Baja Mexico and back. It does require some modifications to get it to fit you, but once that is done it is a very capable bike and much easier to ride than a KLR offroad due to the weight. You have to make this bike scream to get the most out of it but once you get over the hesitation of using the upper RPM range it will come alive.
I have what could charitably be described as an ADV bike problem. I am 5' 8" tall 30 inch inseam. In the last few years I have had the Suzuki V-Strom 650, Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sport 1100, Yamaha Tenere 700, KTM 390 Adventure, KTM 890 Adventure. So far the KTM 390 Adventure is my go to ADV bike. Mostly because it fits me and is light so I can more easily manage it off road. It is confidence inspiring for me. The suspension travel is not that big a deal because it is not a soft squishy suspension like you get on some of the Japanese lower priced ADV bikes. It's the WP Apex fully adjustable I would say it's actually a plus for the bike. However, it is a KTM built by Bajaj in India that does give me some pause for long term reliability. That being said mine has never given me a days trouble. I also like my 890 for it's low center of gravity does not feel like a 470 pound bike almost feels as light as the 390. But that one I trust even less. It has given me problems. Never left me stranded, but those bikes have issues. Did not care for the Tenere as it felt top heavy to me. Love the Honda ATAS as a touring bike and good for light off road. While it will probably go anywhere I would not feel comfortable because that bike is definitely big and heavy. It has more in common with a Gold Wing than a dirt bike.
I have a Suzuki DRZ 400 that I ride off road and really like. I just bought the KTM 390 Adventure to go along with the DRZ. I use the DRZ for harder off road and the KTM has been great for logging, fire, forestry roads along with curvy back roads and around town. Also of course does much better on the freeway than the DRZ. I like that the KTM is so light which makes it easy to ride off road. I’m having a lot of fun with the KTM. I have a Harley V-Rod for street use. Now I’m waiting for the KTM Adventure R to come out….
Last summmer I bought two new bikes, a ktm 390 adventure and a vstrom 800 de. About the 390, it was lightweight, fuel efficient and better than a crf250l by alot but mine had an issue since the first day. It would take 5-7 tries for the bike to start. Once warmed up it would be ok. The vstrom is a much better bike but much heavier. However for my riding I rather have the vstrom. I no longer have the ktm.
I decided on 800de. Not only does the suspension have a long travel, but it is fully adjustable and works really well (in my opinion, better than in the KTM 890 Adventure S WP Apex). Another advantage is the center of gravity - in offroad it behaves as if it were lighter than the T7, not heavier. Another advantage is the electronics, the Gravel mode works well in offroad (unlike TC in Transalp). Next advantage is the detachable subframe and very comfortable seat. I tested various motorcycles and bought this one, I ride mainly offroad, I also have a hard enduro 450. In my opinion, the 800de is the best combination of very good behavior on the road and good offroad. (for example, the 890 adventure R will certainly be better for offroad use, but worse for a long road trip). As for the KTM 390, the adventure R version will be interesting (if it comes out, as the rumors say), still light but with better XPLOR suspension. The presented 390, even with spoked wheels, has neither great off-road nor road capabilities.
@@KelvinRozema-nh9lp when you look at the parameters on paper, this is what it looks like. That's why I didn't consider buying it at all. But the test drive showed otherwise. Despite the weight, the off-road feeling is lightness of driving (better than the T7, confirmed by the owner of the T7 who rides with me). The engine has plenty of power and easily leaves the T7 behind on the road. The suspension is comfortable, but after increasing the front compression you can drive quite dynamically. importantly, it is worth increasing the rebound at the back (full adjustment is useful). The fact is that even the best offroad medium adv, still weighing 200kg, will never be a super efficient offroad equipment.
@@marceliszp4803 it feels lighter but it’s not. Taking the rider out of the equation, the T7 is a far superior off road machine. However, 95% of riders will find it top-heavy and uncomfortable on the road. If you are making the argument that it is a stable adventure bike for touring, then I and a lot of credible reviewers would agree with that. Those same reviews put it at the bottom of its class for off road ability. It’s a stable platform for touring, and that is what a lot of people are looking for but let’s get serious. You don’t see Pol Terres rock hopping on a V Strom. The other comment you made about the KTM 390 adventure is bogus. It is considered by most of the reviews to be at the top of the lightweight adventure class both on the road and off. Will a dual sport be better off-road then the 390, absolutely. Does my WR 450 F make a dual sports look slow and stupid, absolutely. Does my WR 450 F give me arm pump and make my ass sore after a day of riding, absolutely. At that point would I want to ride home on a V Strom, absolutely. It’s a two wheel couch, dude.
For content purpose's Himalayan 450 all day. The global hype for that bike is crazy. and KTM is coming out with a more offroad 390 like in a dual sport type adv but there's a wait on that one too. I live in wisconsin as well. Hit up Tytlers cycles in De Pere they sell RE, BMW, Ducati, and Indians. And down the road there's another power sports place that sells KTM's. I bought my KLR beginning of 2023. I almost bought a 390 adv but I got the KLR for a steal. Once the Himalayan 450 becomes avalible I will be making my way to Tytlers to check it out for sure. But for content purpose's Himalayan 450.
CF Moto 450 MT offers a lot of value and features for the price. I know their motorcycles aren’t respected here in the US yet, but their quads and UTVs have earned respect. It got a lot of attention at EICMA. It has definitely peaked my interest.
I have a cfmoto uforce. Pretty utv. I also have the cfmoto ibex800t. I freaking love that bike. Awesome road bike. I only ride dirt roads once in a blue moon but it does that no problem. It's kind of like a Honda African twin with all the options at half the price! And that KTM 790 engine 95hp. All I need. Really fun ride.
I do my best to not buy Chinese products. But I will say the CF Moto MT450 looks like the real deal and FAR superior to the Kove. And the larger MT Concept could be a winner also.
Because you’ve already had a T7 my vote is for the 800DE. The 800DE was the only bike in contention for me against purchasing a 2024 T7. Ultimately I chose a T7, but like I said, you’ve already owned one. I think you’d love the 800DE
Ha! You got me when you said, 'let's go to the garage and see what I choose'! Man, I love my KLR 650s, just got back from a 2 hour ride, 45*, with a heated liner no problem. I took your advice and bought those led aux lights, got them wired last night and took it out for a spin, unbelievable difference! Night and day literally.
My son bought a 390 last year and really likes the bike. This year we are planning some off road trips so it would be interesting to see your take and maybe a bike build. Also, there isn't a lot of content on it like some of the other bikes so that could be a bonus for your channel. I have a 701 so I'd like more of that content if you still have it.
Great vid Ben! I think a lot of us KLR Gen 3 guys will be moving on to other bikes in the near future. This is a great guide for us. Thank you! Also, that circle dash is whack on the Him… don’t be stupid. Get the Honda lol
I would keep the klr over the other bikes. It's a great bike for the money and easy to work on. That being said it's not too bad off road with the right tires. I have a 2022 and just love it. Thx for all the great videos 😊
I have a 2023 KLR 650 s as my first bike . My “graduate bike” I am looking weight and height wise is the triumph tiger rally pro 900. About 40 pounds lighter and about 6 tenths of an inch higher seat. More power, features and simple to change air filter, under the seat, like the battery too. Also I heard Triumph warranties can be extended up to 7 yrs. I think 21 by 17 on the wheels. Worth a good hard look at.
Honda Transalp was my choice, and honestly it covers more than 80% of any normal rider would request from it. That 20% I guess will be the most experienced riders, with more skill to ride difficult off-road sections.
I have a 2014 VStrom 1000, a 2008 KLR and 2020 CRF250L in the stable. The V is my main bike and love it, used mainly on road but also dirt roads that arent too knarly for the Shinko 705s. I love the KLR but it mainly just collects dust every season now. When I want to trail ride or ride with my daughter who has a CRF125FB, Im on the 250. Its an awesome reliable and light bike in the woods and trails. For my riding the midsize ADVs just aren't as useful. So many great options out there now to choose the ADV for your own riding needs.
The TransAlp is probably the best fit for my riding but I find it very unattractive. I really like the VStrom and would probably pick it first. I think the Himalayan would be the most comfortable along with the TransAlp for my daily commute and running around town. But I’m just going to keep my 22 KLR as I have it all set up as I like it and everything is paid for. I’d be happy to watch your videos of any of the bikes.
Based strictly on specs and hearsay, I'd choose the DE800 because it's the most features for the money. Speaking of money, my '22 KLR650 is all paid for, runs great and has all the mods I want. So, for now, I'm good with it!! Swanky Cat is tops!!
i have a 390 adv and it’s my first bike but it’s been amazing for me, very confidence inspiring both on and off-road, the toggleable abs and the convenience of every thing in the tft makes me love it, you can even change the song and volume playing through your cardo with the handle bar buttons, only downside is the wheel size but i’ve never had a problem with it, i can fly 50 mph down trails my jeep can only go 15 MAX
Transalp suspension is preload adjust only. 800DE is preload, compression, and rebound fully adjustable. I do find the 800DE needs a stiffer rear spring for a 300-pound rider 🙂28-degree rake, FYI. I guess the 800DE weight might be too much, but that bigger tank, the extra oil capacity, the bigger cooling capacity, and the heavier and better suspension, is why its heavier. Lighter bike that's cheap is the DR650, but you'd have to invest in a bigger tank and if you are heavier than 180 ponds, you might need to invest in suspension upgrades. It's 385 pounds with an aftermarket 5.3-gal tank. and no 6th gear. KTM 500EXC is a really light bike with balls, but I'm not sure about reliability. 11+ inch travel, 14-inch ground clearance, 260 pounds. 6 speed. I just see the Transalp as a more adventure touring road bike, without investing a lot on suspension.
There is a reason why the Suzuki 800DE is a little more expensive, ITS BETTER! It's easier to pick up than the T7 and as easy as the Talp. Electronic package, fully adjustable suspension, and torque are also superior to T7 and Talp. If you're like me, you will get the 800DE Adventure which gets you everything you need and nothing else to purchase. I do mostly off road and only ride roads to get to the dirt. Off road means OFF ROAD, it you're on a road a car can travel or on GPS you're not off road. The new KTM 390 looks promising but probably won't be out until 2025. If you're the type of person to by Chinese products, the CFMoto MT450 looks like a banger.
I was considering a KLR but took a ride on the Him 450. I was sold. 2000km done, mostly off road other than the highway to get to the bush. Great on the tarmac but excellent off road. I find myself following enduro single tracks. The bike is very capable off road.
I'm looking at the Transalp to replace my Africa Twin. Noticeably lighter, better power to weight ratio, and after a couple years on the AT, I've found I prefer MCs in the 700-800cc range over the bigger bikes. Regardless, no 400+lb bike is an "off-road" bike to me and the Transalp will cover any gravel/dirt/jeep roads I'll ride with a bike this size. When the trail gets tougher, I'll ride my KTM 500EXC. Thanks for the content!
I agree 100 percent if it’s too gnarly for the Transalp then you need a second enduro bike I’ve been looking around a little bit for a 450l with aftermarket ECU for the fuel maps
At 5 foot 3 I can say the transalp fits beautifully. The Vstorm although it's the same seat height the seat is wider and kicks your legs out. I was disappointed that it did not fit. What about the CRF 300l rally?
Hi, thank you for your very interisting video. i would like to complete saying that when we compare the torque and the power of the differents engines, we have to indicate at whitch RPM they work : with the KLR you have a big one cylinder engine whith produces power and torque at low RPM, and the 390 KTM at high RPM . It's a big difference in the real life... i own an Himalayan, with little power, but the torque is present from very low RPM, and i ride almost in 5th gear all the time : very relaxing ride. Very easy in off road thanks to his torque at very low RPM and the 21 front wheel
Great video for me. I have a 2015 KLR and at 60 years old, it’s just too heavy. I really like the Himalayan and I too watched Itchy Boots on it. The Transalp is looking very nice in that I want to take my son riding with me off road. What do you think about a good 2 up bike?
im most likely trading my mt07 in on a klr650 lol....that 390 is funner than you think.. i as a bigger guy 6'2 270lbs actully didnt mind it other than the constant bottoming out.... id love the t7 but cant afford that big of a payment yet.. the transalp i dont like for standing.. i think its because im a bigger guy.. but that tank just feels in the way with my thighs and knees.. the vstrom800 would win over all for me but the standard model is close to $15k otd.. the adventure model is around $16k otd..
Hey Swanky I love your channel! I have a KLR 650 gen 2. I would like to see your opinion on souping up a vstrom 650 and I am also very interested in the CF moto 450 being KTM cousin., but it seems to be very secretive on any news. It is supposed to be available mid year but there are no reviews or test rides available??? I am also following the vstrom 800 scene but hear there is a lot of heat from the engine on the legs! Cheers! Jeff PS. Keep on going love your enthusiasm for ADV!
YUP!!! Cogent suspension and a Seat Concepts seat and you're ready for around the world at 366lbs. I do have $4k worth of added stuff on mine, but I found a stock used one 10yrs ago for $2k. Everyone should experience a properly set up DR.
I own adv 390 from india. By seeing at your list of preferences I like to suggest you to wait for 390 adventure rally version if possible as it gets 21inch front & a L24C engine that has 4Nm more torque that comes 1000 rpm early than the current 390 engine. The best part is ktm would definitely manage to keep the weight close to the current one. Himalayan is also a pretty good option VFM bike 👍.
I still say the DE800 is the most interesting and most capable bike of what you are considering. It's right there at the top of the class with its premium suspension and ground clearance, power, and reputation it has already earned. In my opinion, FWIW, the KTM 390 is not an exciting bike at all. Seems it would be difficult to keep the audience interested?? The Hiymillayn with that hideous dash... I couldn't sit behind it without spilling my cookies😄. Thank the good Lord you're not going for the mediocre Transalp. Nothing against Honda. I have an Africa Twin and love it! The Transalp just seems like a half-hearted effort by Honda.
I’d go (current plan) for the RE. But, as you pointed out, won’t be around for awhile. Also not sure if call it a light weight ADV bike lol. The new 390 from KTM would be cool, but when does that come in. Get what you want for now, and just preorder a RE. Keep in mind cost and resale for the business model. Transalp has been getting decent reviews for its off-road capabilities, for what it is. Good luck
Im looking at all these bikes too. Im more of a street gravel road type rider because im older. I looked at the KTM 390 and that bike is very small. Im thinking the T7, Transalp or Suzuki 800. I rode the T7 and absolutely loved the ergonomics but it is too heavy and has small gas tank.
I went from a KLR to a KTM 390 adv and I will never look back. Besides how fast it goes it's so much more fun off-roading with a lighter bike and the tech on it alone is worth switching. I was able to put a real cruise control on the KTM. The KLR only had throttle locks. I am looking forward to the CFMoto 450 mt and the 2025 KTM adv390 (huge upgrades on the 2025). I will definitely switch to one of those in the future.
Fuel milage on the ktm is phenomenal. My wife and I went on a day ride last summer two up and got 67.5 mpg. I love that bike on the road and it’s a blast offroad. Gen 2 Klr def had better wind protection though.
I own both the gen3 klr 650 and the ktm390 adventure. I love both. The ktm is noticeably lighter and feels much quicker. I ride the klr when I'm feeling like a relaxed road trip and the ktm when a sporty feel is the need. They both are great on dirt/gravel roads but the ktm gives me more confidence due to the lighter weight and smaller size of the bike. I wouldn't want to do any serious off roading with either. I'm 5'10 160lbs 31 "inseam
I’m surprised you’re not staying with dual sport from the clips of your vlogs. But if I had to pick from your choices, I’d go with the 800 DE. For one, theirs not a lot of long term content on that bike and would be the closest to your riding style.
just curious if you given the cfmoto ibex 800 a look?and curious about your thoughts on it.I am a bit biased having owned a ktm 390 adventure and currently own a 2023 890 adventure,but i also just picked up the Ibex 800T.havent got to ride it just yet,but at $10,600 otd its nothing to shake a stick at for sure.
Always keep a KLR 650… I kept mine .. when I bought my Pan America.. the PA is a KLR on steroids.. but I paid for the HD name which was foolish of me and I’ll go places on my KLR where I wouldn’t go on my PA because I don’t want to drop the PA.. my PA is more like the guy who buys a fancy 4 wheel drive pickup and never takes it in the mud.. KLR is still my favorite..
I like that the Suzuki is offered in some brighter colors. Too many bikes today look like they were painted by a garbage troll with a penchant for baby food. Even the yellow the KLR was offered in looks like dehydration pee.
De feels light as when moving engine has all the power you will ever want I was never into any vstrom before the 800de because it never appeld to me but the de800 is fantastic if it was covered in ktm or husky stickers it would be sold out till 2027
I have gen 3 klr and 22 KTM 390. The klr is a chill out and cruise bike (for me) and the ktm is a bit more on the hooligan side. The ktm is very fun bike but it is a more harsh ride off road than the klr and just accept that you will have quite a bit more wind noise/buffetting at highway speeds. I have tried a couple of aftermarket wind screens but haven't found anything I really like so went back to stock in low position.
@@SwankyCatProductions The KLR is better at tractoring/chugging offroad with higher torque but other than that the performnce is pretty similar. Just have to rev the ktm more than the klr but the ktm engine likes to be revved more than the klr's engine does. The KTM feels pretty good at hwy speeds engine wise.
Hi, I have to ask the Himalayan site you were on showed more detail than anything I have been able to access here downunder, Can I get a direct link please. Thanks
Why not set up the 701 for dirt travel? Rade aux tank, highland X2 bags, crash bars. All the power you need, 320#, much more ground clearance, blah, blah.
Plenty of content out there on the KTM 390 as it has been around for awhile. The Suzuki 800DE is new and there is not a lot of content on RUclips on it. I think too many Tubers were waiting on the Transalp thinking it would up their viewership. The same will happen to the Himalayan people are really hungry for that bike. I think you want something new that you can produce fresh content on for awhile. The CF Moto 450MT looks pretty awesome on the spec sheet. I was hoping KTM was going to introduce that bike as a 490 Adventure or a Norden 450 but for some reason they pulled out of that project. Now CF Moto who builds motors and the new KTM 790 for KTM has come out with that bike. I don't even know if is is available yet but there is a lot of interest in it even if it is a Chinese bike. If you can wait 6 months I'd say Himalayan - if not then I say Suzuki 800DE there is still a lot of interest in that bike and the fact that it has better suspension stock means a lot to some people. You can answer these questions out there about if the weight is really a negative and how well does it do off-road. Good luck with your decision.
I'm looking at the ktm 390 as well 0ver my current 2017 klr I'm jaybe 150 pounds but would love a bike 100 pounds lighter.Think I'll hgo that road on the KTM.😊So sad the ktm 490 was canned.Grest videos my friend
Exactly where I’m at wanting to upgrade, I’ve even got the same klr as you… Just can’t find anything that’s a “perfect upgrade” from the klr. If Honda would’ve put cruise control on the transalp, I could have justified that, but imo they just left too much out.
Moto morini seems to be tight bike, not much coverage and bonus it has the versys 650 p twin on it.out of your pics I'd say keep the klr and get a vstrom.
Seeing as you want to gel with a bike, you need to test ride 😁 For lighter weight, and much more performance than the KLR, have you considered any of the 690/701/700 clones? Alternatively, for lighter weight and very similar performance and feel (but better offroad) there's the DR650.
The 390 I think is getting a new generation soon? Might be better to wait for that. I feel like someone shopping for a KLR, the closest thing I think would be the Himalayan to cross shop for.
Dude go test ride a 800DE iv been thinking about the klr650 for a fue years now when the gen 3 come out I was like yer yer nardue to the lack of real up grade I ended up get de800 mate go get one it is a fantastic thing it's not really a vstrom it's a new thing of its own to be onist feels like my old Honda xr650r crossed with a Yamaha R1000 trust me this bike is fking great the ktm is noisy engine and cost to much I love klr but it's old school T700 is top heavy and not as good as de hope kawasaki pull off a new klr800 soon with all moden goodies
The versys x300 is comparable with the klr. I had a klr now the versys. Versys has about same power, 6 speed, smoother, more agile and fun, better gauge cluster, more enjoyable on highway, long fuel range, lighter weight, great wind protection and better fuel mileage. The only issue with the versys is you have to get use to the higher revs but in the mountains and twisties the extra wide rev range is a blast especially with the slipper clutch.
Brother, it's not the bike that makes us want to watch the videos; it's YOU and the content or subject of the video. If you HAVE to get a new bike, then do it. But, if you're doing that just for videos I suggest just getting more creative, going to new off-road trails, or maybe do a few BDR's. Whatever you do, just be YOU and have fun with it. Go for it!!!
I got the Transalp in December and thus far am really liking it although as I'm in Canada it'll be a few months now until I can ride it again. The KTMs always sound and look impressive and are likely great to ride but the reported mechanical and reliability issues have always scared me off. The vstroms have always been good and reliable bikes just kind of underwhelming. Most reviews I've seen point out how heavy they are and while a nice torquey motor they just seem kind of meh
Transalp is a great upgrade. You gain power, great balance, and is great on and off road. Oh and the quick shifter is nice. Don’t just don’t by specs. There is so much more to it.
You did not talk about it, but the Aprilia Taureg 660 is a little more expensive than all the bikes listed, but it's lighter than anything you listed fully adjustable KYB shocks, cruise control and has a low center of gravity.
Ktm390 all the way I’m at 12000 miles on mine now 2021 model , I purchased spoke wheels and use it as a dual sport trail bike the light weight more than make up for suspension travel and ground clearance, I also have a 23 model 790 adventure but the bike I use most is the 390 .
great time to be a rider..the bike choices are thru the roof...I do have a bias towards Suzuki..not mentioned in your vid is transmission quality ..Suzuki is known for slick shifting trans..the 800DE has a quick shifter up and down thats getting rave reviews.. point 2..parts availability and dealer support is a consideration.. I am hearing some manufactures are dropping dealers and going with online sales only..don't really like that move.. anywho.. my guess this won't be your last bike..I have 5 right now LOL..anywho keep us posted..psst get tha zuki :0)
I've not heard the bit about the dealers, that's interesting. Personally if I could order a bike to my door I definitely would, but I am a weirdo that doesn't like leaving the house ... Unless I'm going to the woods haha. The 800 sounds like the best option, a little heavier than I'd like, but that never stopped me on the KLR!
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The vstrom 800de doesnt feel that heavy. I own one and its very easy to pick up. I dont understand the torque values compared to the transalp. The de has way more torque down low where as the transalp needs rung out.
"it's very easy to pick up." I like hearing this. We Baby Boomers just don't have the strength anymore to be picking up big adventure bikes. May I ask how old you are and maybe explain a bit more about picking up this bike.
@@detch5307 Every bike review should come with a "pick up" test. Because if you ride alone and can't pick it up, nothing else really matters.
I sold my T7 and purchased the 2023 KTM 390 Adventure SW. Gotta have spoked wheels. For me it was a game changer, I'm having more fun off-road due to weight and lower center of gravity. The bike also has plenty of power on the road as well. Really fun bike. Lot's of aftermarket piece's available for the bike to add for content. Good luck on your choice.
Too funny dude. Traded my Gen3 in on a Yellow/blue 800DE--Couldn't pay me to go back to a KLR (do love them tho). RE 450 is too heavy for what it is. The new 390 ADV spy photos look like that will be a great small ADV. TA750 is great and all, just looks like a parts-bin bike Honda threw together IMO. They can do so much better..... I hope Honda offers an up-spec model with better suspension. New VStrom just feels like Suzuki really tried to compete. It is SUPRISINGLY good off road. Internet needs a Tenere to VStrom convert! Like to hear how you feel they compare. I knew you'd come around.... 😁
The yellow/blue color scheme on the 800DE is really sharp. I even love the grey as well. I appreciate that they took a chance, as opposed to Honda and their matte black rendition on the TA. The Euro model TA looked nice, shame they couldn't bring it across the pond.
I've owned almost a lot of dual sports and adventure bikes, and when the V-strom 800DE came out, I was skeptical, but ended up riding it. After that ride, I bought one. Found a great deal on it and it is sweet. Excellent suspension, excellent motor, and super comfortable. It is also crazy smooth. I looked at the transalp, but decided against it, because after a skid plate, the bike sits too low to the ground and it absolutely needs the skid plate, so you don't rip off the oil pan that sticks out on the bottom. I'm sure the transalp is a pleasure to ride, but I think the V-strom is a better bike.
I just bought my 800 de, loving it, I think suzuki also had discount pricing in December, a lot of dealers usually keep that discount going for a bit, mine was $2000 off original price! As far as it's weight, this is only my 2nd motorcycle ever, my first was a tiny royal enfield meteor meteor 350, and I'll say this, the v strom to me feels lighter, way easier to ride and maneuver both while riding, and just moving the thing around in the garage. I can even easily push it up my driveway with an incline. Suzuki did an amazing job hiding its weight.
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What it boils down to is, we get tired of what we have and want different. I myself have gone from GS's and a Pan America back to the basics. A KLR
I have taken my KTM 390 Adventure all over. I have ridden extreme offroad in Death Valley NP and I have also distance long distance travel on this bike all the way to La Paz, Baja Mexico and back. It does require some modifications to get it to fit you, but once that is done it is a very capable bike and much easier to ride than a KLR offroad due to the weight. You have to make this bike scream to get the most out of it but once you get over the hesitation of using the upper RPM range it will come alive.
Vstrom 800DE, couldn’t be happier to have mine😊
The 800DE is the clear winner out of his choices. For you and I anyhow.
The 800 would be a good choice IMO , for doing videos on, some many have already done the Transalp , we need some different :)
I have what could charitably be described as an ADV bike problem. I am 5' 8" tall 30 inch inseam. In the last few years I have had the Suzuki V-Strom 650, Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sport 1100, Yamaha Tenere 700, KTM 390 Adventure, KTM 890 Adventure. So far the KTM 390 Adventure is my go to ADV bike. Mostly because it fits me and is light so I can more easily manage it off road. It is confidence inspiring for me. The suspension travel is not that big a deal because it is not a soft squishy suspension like you get on some of the Japanese lower priced ADV bikes. It's the WP Apex fully adjustable I would say it's actually a plus for the bike. However, it is a KTM built by Bajaj in India that does give me some pause for long term reliability. That being said mine has never given me a days trouble. I also like my 890 for it's low center of gravity does not feel like a 470 pound bike almost feels as light as the 390. But that one I trust even less. It has given me problems. Never left me stranded, but those bikes have issues. Did not care for the Tenere as it felt top heavy to me. Love the Honda ATAS as a touring bike and good for light off road. While it will probably go anywhere I would not feel comfortable because that bike is definitely big and heavy. It has more in common with a Gold Wing than a dirt bike.
I have a Suzuki DRZ 400 that I ride off road and really like. I just bought the KTM 390 Adventure to go along with the DRZ. I use the DRZ for harder off road and the KTM has been great for logging, fire, forestry roads along with curvy back roads and around town. Also of course does much better on the freeway than the DRZ. I like that the KTM is so light which makes it easy to ride off road. I’m having a lot of fun with the KTM. I have a Harley V-Rod for street use. Now I’m waiting for the KTM Adventure R to come out….
Last summmer I bought two new bikes, a ktm 390 adventure and a vstrom 800 de. About the 390, it was lightweight, fuel efficient and better than a crf250l by alot but mine had an issue since the first day. It would take 5-7 tries for the bike to start. Once warmed up it would be ok. The vstrom is a much better bike but much heavier. However for my riding I rather have the vstrom. I no longer have the ktm.
I decided on 800de. Not only does the suspension have a long travel, but it is fully adjustable and works really well (in my opinion, better than in the KTM 890 Adventure S WP Apex). Another advantage is the center of gravity - in offroad it behaves as if it were lighter than the T7, not heavier.
Another advantage is the electronics, the Gravel mode works well in offroad (unlike TC in Transalp).
Next advantage is the detachable subframe and very comfortable seat.
I tested various motorcycles and bought this one, I ride mainly offroad, I also have a hard enduro 450. In my opinion, the 800de is the best combination of very good behavior on the road and good offroad. (for example, the 890 adventure R will certainly be better for offroad use, but worse for a long road trip).
As for the KTM 390, the adventure R version will be interesting (if it comes out, as the rumors say), still light but with better XPLOR suspension.
The presented 390, even with spoked wheels, has neither great off-road nor road capabilities.
100% right about the 800de and that's the same reason I got one.
Heaviest in class 507lbs. Underpowered at 80hp Suspension is soft. Its an adventure couch.
@@KelvinRozema-nh9lp stupid comment.
@@KelvinRozema-nh9lp when you look at the parameters on paper, this is what it looks like. That's why I didn't consider buying it at all. But the test drive showed otherwise. Despite the weight, the off-road feeling is lightness of driving (better than the T7, confirmed by the owner of the T7 who rides with me).
The engine has plenty of power and easily leaves the T7 behind on the road. The suspension is comfortable, but after increasing the front compression you can drive quite dynamically. importantly, it is worth increasing the rebound at the back (full adjustment is useful).
The fact is that even the best offroad medium adv, still weighing 200kg, will never be a super efficient offroad equipment.
@@marceliszp4803 it feels lighter but it’s not. Taking the rider out of the equation, the T7 is a far superior off road machine. However, 95% of riders will find it top-heavy and uncomfortable on the road. If you are making the argument that it is a stable adventure bike for touring, then I and a lot of credible reviewers would agree with that. Those same reviews put it at the bottom of its class for off road ability. It’s a stable platform for touring, and that is what a lot of people are looking for but let’s get serious. You don’t see Pol Terres rock hopping on a V Strom.
The other comment you made about the KTM 390 adventure is bogus. It is considered by most of the reviews to be at the top of the lightweight adventure class both on the road and off. Will a dual sport be better off-road then the 390, absolutely.
Does my WR 450 F make a dual sports look slow and stupid, absolutely. Does my WR 450 F give me arm pump and make my ass sore after a day of riding, absolutely. At that point would I want to ride home on a V Strom, absolutely. It’s a two wheel couch, dude.
There are a few bigger youtubers with the trans alp. There isn't a lot left to be said about it.. my vote would be for the 800de
For content purpose's Himalayan 450 all day. The global hype for that bike is crazy. and KTM is coming out with a more offroad 390 like in a dual sport type adv but there's a wait on that one too. I live in wisconsin as well. Hit up Tytlers cycles in De Pere they sell RE, BMW, Ducati, and Indians. And down the road there's another power sports place that sells KTM's. I bought my KLR beginning of 2023. I almost bought a 390 adv but I got the KLR for a steal. Once the Himalayan 450 becomes avalible I will be making my way to Tytlers to check it out for sure. But for content purpose's Himalayan 450.
CF Moto 450 MT offers a lot of value and features for the price. I know their motorcycles aren’t respected here in the US yet, but their quads and UTVs have earned respect. It got a lot of attention at EICMA. It has definitely peaked my interest.
I have a cfmoto uforce. Pretty utv. I also have the cfmoto ibex800t. I freaking love that bike. Awesome road bike. I only ride dirt roads once in a blue moon but it does that no problem. It's kind of like a Honda African twin with all the options at half the price! And that KTM 790 engine 95hp. All I need. Really fun ride.
I do my best to not buy Chinese products. But I will say the CF Moto MT450 looks like the real deal and FAR superior to the Kove. And the larger MT Concept could be a winner also.
I would love to see the KTM 390 on this channel. I've loved the KLR content.
I think the KTM 390 is a great choice. The Himalayan if available would be my pick but it isn't here yet, maybe next year!
Because you’ve already had a T7 my vote is for the 800DE.
The 800DE was the only bike in contention for me against purchasing a 2024 T7. Ultimately I chose a T7, but like I said, you’ve already owned one. I think you’d love the 800DE
Ha! You got me when you said, 'let's go to the garage and see what I choose'! Man, I love my KLR 650s, just got back from a 2 hour ride, 45*, with a heated liner no problem. I took your advice and bought those led aux lights, got them wired last night and took it out for a spin, unbelievable difference! Night and day literally.
Did all the same thinking and reviewing and got the Vstrom 800. No regrets, really enjoying it.
My son bought a 390 last year and really likes the bike. This year we are planning some off road trips so it would be interesting to see your take and maybe a bike build. Also, there isn't a lot of content on it like some of the other bikes so that could be a bonus for your channel. I have a 701 so I'd like more of that content if you still have it.
Great vid Ben! I think a lot of us KLR Gen 3 guys will be moving on to other bikes in the near future. This is a great guide for us. Thank you!
Also, that circle dash is whack on the Him… don’t be stupid. Get the Honda lol
I would keep the klr over the other bikes. It's a great bike for the money and easy to work on. That being said it's not too bad off road with the right tires. I have a 2022 and just love it. Thx for all the great videos 😊
I have a 2023 KLR 650 s as my first bike . My “graduate bike” I am looking weight and height wise is the triumph tiger rally pro 900. About 40 pounds lighter and about 6 tenths of an inch higher seat. More power, features and simple to change air filter, under the seat, like the battery too. Also I heard Triumph warranties can be extended up to 7 yrs. I think 21 by 17 on the wheels. Worth a good hard look at.
Honda Transalp was my choice, and honestly it covers more than 80% of any normal rider would request from it. That 20% I guess will be the most experienced riders, with more skill to ride difficult off-road sections.
I have a 2014 VStrom 1000, a 2008 KLR and 2020 CRF250L in the stable. The V is my main bike and love it, used mainly on road but also dirt roads that arent too knarly for the Shinko 705s. I love the KLR but it mainly just collects dust every season now. When I want to trail ride or ride with my daughter who has a CRF125FB, Im on the 250. Its an awesome reliable and light bike in the woods and trails. For my riding the midsize ADVs just aren't as useful. So many great options out there now to choose the ADV for your own riding needs.
The TransAlp is probably the best fit for my riding but I find it very unattractive. I really like the VStrom and would probably pick it first. I think the Himalayan would be the most comfortable along with the TransAlp for my daily commute and running around town. But I’m just going to keep my 22 KLR as I have it all set up as I like it and everything is paid for. I’d be happy to watch your videos of any of the bikes.
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Based strictly on specs and hearsay, I'd choose the DE800 because it's the most features for the money. Speaking of money, my '22 KLR650 is all paid for, runs great and has all the mods I want. So, for now, I'm good with it!! Swanky Cat is tops!!
Hard to beat a bike that's already set up perfectly for you! I think your right V-Strom is just the best option.
Looking forward to the v strom
i have a 390 adv and it’s my first bike but it’s been amazing for me, very confidence inspiring both on and off-road, the toggleable abs and the convenience of every thing in the tft makes me love it, you can even change the song and volume playing through your cardo with the handle bar buttons, only downside is the wheel size but i’ve never had a problem with it, i can fly 50 mph down trails my jeep can only go 15 MAX
The 701 in your garage is the rally/adventure bike build I would watch. Maybe try the Kove 450??
Transalp suspension is preload adjust only. 800DE is preload, compression, and rebound fully adjustable. I do find the 800DE needs a stiffer rear spring for a 300-pound rider 🙂28-degree rake, FYI. I guess the 800DE weight might be too much, but that bigger tank, the extra oil capacity, the bigger cooling capacity, and the heavier and better suspension, is why its heavier.
Lighter bike that's cheap is the DR650, but you'd have to invest in a bigger tank and if you are heavier than 180 ponds, you might need to invest in suspension upgrades. It's 385 pounds with an aftermarket 5.3-gal tank. and no 6th gear.
KTM 500EXC is a really light bike with balls, but I'm not sure about reliability. 11+ inch travel, 14-inch ground clearance, 260 pounds. 6 speed.
I just see the Transalp as a more adventure touring road bike, without investing a lot on suspension.
There is a reason why the Suzuki 800DE is a little more expensive, ITS BETTER! It's easier to pick up than the T7 and as easy as the Talp. Electronic package, fully adjustable suspension, and torque are also superior to T7 and Talp. If you're like me, you will get the 800DE Adventure which gets you everything you need and nothing else to purchase. I do mostly off road and only ride roads to get to the dirt. Off road means OFF ROAD, it you're on a road a car can travel or on GPS you're not off road. The new KTM 390 looks promising but probably won't be out until 2025. If you're the type of person to by Chinese products, the CFMoto MT450 looks like a banger.
I was considering a KLR but took a ride on the Him 450. I was sold. 2000km done, mostly off road other than the highway to get to the bush. Great on the tarmac but excellent off road. I find myself following enduro single tracks. The bike is very capable off road.
I'm looking at the Transalp to replace my Africa Twin. Noticeably lighter, better power to weight ratio, and after a couple years on the AT, I've found I prefer MCs in the 700-800cc range over the bigger bikes. Regardless, no 400+lb bike is an "off-road" bike to me and the Transalp will cover any gravel/dirt/jeep roads I'll ride with a bike this size. When the trail gets tougher, I'll ride my KTM 500EXC. Thanks for the content!
I agree 100 percent if it’s too gnarly for the Transalp then you need a second enduro bike I’ve been looking around a little bit for a 450l with aftermarket ECU for the fuel maps
having owned both at the same time,2022 klr 650adv and a 2022 390adv,the 390 litterally eats the klr up..@ 5k rpm the 390 really comes alive.
390 for life 😁 - Frank
23:14 You summed up EXACTLY what I think of the Transalp too. It's more road/pavement biased.
At 5 foot 3 I can say the transalp fits beautifully. The Vstorm although it's the same seat height the seat is wider and kicks your legs out. I was disappointed that it did not fit.
What about the CRF 300l rally?
The King of dual sports is The Doctor!
Hi,
thank you for your very interisting video.
i would like to complete saying that when we compare the torque and the power of the differents engines, we have to indicate at whitch RPM they work :
with the KLR you have a big one cylinder engine whith produces power and torque at low RPM, and the 390 KTM at high RPM .
It's a big difference in the real life...
i own an Himalayan, with little power, but the torque is present from very low RPM, and i ride almost in 5th gear all the time : very relaxing ride.
Very easy in off road thanks to his torque at very low RPM and the 21 front wheel
Great video for me. I have a 2015 KLR and at 60 years old, it’s just too heavy. I really like the Himalayan and I too watched Itchy Boots on it. The Transalp is looking very nice in that I want to take my son riding with me off road. What do you think about a good 2 up bike?
im most likely trading my mt07 in on a klr650 lol....that 390 is funner than you think.. i as a bigger guy 6'2 270lbs actully didnt mind it other than the constant bottoming out.... id love the t7 but cant afford that big of a payment yet.. the transalp i dont like for standing.. i think its because im a bigger guy.. but that tank just feels in the way with my thighs and knees.. the vstrom800 would win over all for me but the standard model is close to $15k otd.. the adventure model is around $16k otd..
I was hoping for the Transalp but since Big Rock Moto and Dork in the road own and are reviewing it, i think id like to see something else
the vstrom 800DE without a shadow of a doubt is the most bang for your buck and (most likely) bulletproof
Hey Swanky I love your channel! I have a KLR 650 gen 2. I would like to see your opinion on souping up a vstrom 650 and I am also very interested in the CF moto 450 being KTM cousin., but it seems to be very secretive on any news. It is supposed to be available mid year but there are no reviews or test rides available??? I am also following the vstrom 800 scene but hear there is a lot of heat from the engine on the legs!
Cheers!
Jeff
PS. Keep on going love your enthusiasm for ADV!
How about a DR650? Upgrade the suspension (lots of options from cheap to spendy) and seat and it’s pretty amazing. Low tech high fun factor.
YUP!!! Cogent suspension and a Seat Concepts seat and you're ready for around the world at 366lbs. I do have $4k worth of added stuff on mine, but I found a stock used one 10yrs ago for $2k. Everyone should experience a properly set up DR.
I'm looking to trade my 2022Klr650abs for a V strom 800 Touring model.
I own adv 390 from india. By seeing at your list of preferences I like to suggest you to wait for 390 adventure rally version if possible as it gets 21inch front & a L24C engine that has 4Nm more torque that comes 1000 rpm early than the current 390 engine. The best part is ktm would definitely manage to keep the weight close to the current one.
Himalayan is also a pretty good option VFM bike 👍.
DL800 is a good basis for an adventure build! Next best choice is the Himalayan 450!
I still say the DE800 is the most interesting and most capable bike of what you are considering. It's right there at the top of the class with its premium suspension and ground clearance, power, and reputation it has already earned. In my opinion, FWIW, the KTM 390 is not an exciting bike at all. Seems it would be difficult to keep the audience interested?? The Hiymillayn with that hideous dash... I couldn't sit behind it without spilling my cookies😄. Thank the good Lord you're not going for the mediocre Transalp. Nothing against Honda. I have an Africa Twin and love it! The Transalp just seems like a half-hearted effort by Honda.
Cove 450 is what my opinion would be
I’d go (current plan) for the RE. But, as you pointed out, won’t be around for awhile. Also not sure if call it a light weight ADV bike lol. The new 390 from KTM would be cool, but when does that come in. Get what you want for now, and just preorder a RE. Keep in mind cost and resale for the business model. Transalp has been getting decent reviews for its off-road capabilities, for what it is. Good luck
For everything you said the T7 sounds like the best for you but obviously not because you already had one. Id go Vstrom or even first gen Africa Twin
Im looking at all these bikes too. Im more of a street gravel road type rider because im older. I looked at the KTM 390 and that bike is very small. Im thinking the T7, Transalp or Suzuki 800. I rode the T7 and absolutely loved the ergonomics but it is too heavy and has small gas tank.
I went from a KLR to a KTM 390 adv and I will never look back. Besides how fast it goes it's so much more fun off-roading with a lighter bike and the tech on it alone is worth switching. I was able to put a real cruise control on the KTM. The KLR only had throttle locks. I am looking forward to the CFMoto 450 mt and the 2025 KTM adv390 (huge upgrades on the 2025). I will definitely switch to one of those in the future.
Fuel milage on the ktm is phenomenal. My wife and I went on a day ride last summer two up and got 67.5 mpg. I love that bike on the road and it’s a blast offroad. Gen 2 Klr def had better wind protection though.
Wow that's pretty impressive! Mmm yeah is suppose, hard to beat the big side panels!
A really helpful video, Ben. Have you looked at the Husky 701 Enduro?
I own both the gen3 klr 650 and the ktm390 adventure. I love both. The ktm is noticeably lighter and feels much quicker. I ride the klr when I'm feeling like a relaxed road trip and the ktm when a sporty feel is the need. They both are great on dirt/gravel roads but the ktm gives me more confidence due to the lighter weight and smaller size of the bike. I wouldn't want to do any serious off roading with either. I'm 5'10 160lbs 31 "inseam
There are two others you could consider: old school option, Suzuki DR650… or modern option like Aprilia Tuareg. Both of which are capable off road.
I think you need a Africa twin
I'm in the same boat not sure what to move onto
I’m surprised you’re not staying with dual sport from the clips of your vlogs. But if I had to pick from your choices, I’d go with the 800 DE. For one, theirs not a lot of long term content on that bike and would be the closest to your riding style.
just curious if you given the cfmoto ibex 800 a look?and curious about your thoughts on it.I am a bit biased having owned a ktm 390 adventure and currently own a 2023 890 adventure,but i also just picked up the Ibex 800T.havent got to ride it just yet,but at $10,600 otd its nothing to shake a stick at for sure.
Always keep a KLR 650… I kept mine .. when I bought my Pan America.. the PA is a KLR on steroids.. but I paid for the HD name which was foolish of me and I’ll go places on my KLR where I wouldn’t go on my PA because I don’t want to drop the PA.. my PA is more like the guy who buys a fancy 4 wheel drive pickup and never takes it in the mud.. KLR is still my favorite..
Get the 800DE!
I like that the Suzuki is offered in some brighter colors. Too many bikes today look like they were painted by a garbage troll with a penchant for baby food. Even the yellow the KLR was offered in looks like dehydration pee.
KEEP THE KLR...just my opinion.
De feels light as when moving engine has all the power you will ever want I was never into any vstrom before the 800de because it never appeld to me but the de800 is fantastic if it was covered in ktm or husky stickers it would be sold out till 2027
I'm going there the same thing coming from the klr adventure
I have gen 3 klr and 22 KTM 390. The klr is a chill out and cruise bike (for me) and the ktm is a bit more on the hooligan side. The ktm is very fun bike but it is a more harsh ride off road than the klr and just accept that you will have quite a bit more wind noise/buffetting at highway speeds. I have tried a couple of aftermarket wind screens but haven't found anything I really like so went back to stock in low position.
Thanks for the info, that's very helpful! How do they compare in regards to performance? Both on and off road, specifically the power department.
@@SwankyCatProductions The KLR is better at tractoring/chugging offroad with higher torque but other than that the performnce is pretty similar. Just have to rev the ktm more than the klr but the ktm engine likes to be revved more than the klr's engine does. The KTM feels pretty good at hwy speeds engine wise.
Great vid. Thanks so much!.. Aloha
The klr is just one of those bikes that you need to have in your garage for that trip to the store or that fun motocamp with buddies!
It definitely works good for that!
Hi, I have to ask the Himalayan site you were on showed more detail than anything I have been able to access here downunder, Can I get a direct link please. Thanks
The R in KTM stands for reliability
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Why not set up the 701 for dirt travel? Rade aux tank, highland X2 bags, crash bars. All the power you need, 320#, much more ground clearance, blah, blah.
Plenty of content out there on the KTM 390 as it has been around for awhile. The Suzuki 800DE is new and there is not a lot of content on RUclips on it. I think too many Tubers were waiting on the Transalp thinking it would up their viewership. The same will happen to the Himalayan people are really hungry for that bike. I think you want something new that you can produce fresh content on for awhile. The CF Moto 450MT looks pretty awesome on the spec sheet. I was hoping KTM was going to introduce that bike as a 490 Adventure or a Norden 450 but for some reason they pulled out of that project. Now CF Moto who builds motors and the new KTM 790 for KTM has come out with that bike. I don't even know if is is available yet but there is a lot of interest in it even if it is a Chinese bike. If you can wait 6 months I'd say Himalayan - if not then I say Suzuki 800DE there is still a lot of interest in that bike and the fact that it has better suspension stock means a lot to some people. You can answer these questions out there about if the weight is really a negative and how well does it do off-road.
Good luck with your decision.
Check out the aprillia tuareg 660,great bike,think kit would be a good fit!
I'm looking at the ktm 390 as well 0ver my current 2017 klr I'm jaybe 150 pounds but would love a bike 100 pounds lighter.Think I'll hgo that road on the KTM.😊So sad the ktm 490 was canned.Grest videos my friend
What about a 650s? I know its still a KLR, but that's what I got and the 1in shorter stance improves it in a lot of ways.
Exactly where I’m at wanting to upgrade, I’ve even got the same klr as you… Just can’t find anything that’s a “perfect upgrade” from the klr. If Honda would’ve put cruise control on the transalp, I could have justified that, but imo they just left too much out.
Moto morini seems to be tight bike, not much coverage and bonus it has the versys 650 p twin on it.out of your pics I'd say keep the klr and get a vstrom.
Seeing as you want to gel with a bike, you need to test ride 😁
For lighter weight, and much more performance than the KLR, have you considered any of the 690/701/700 clones? Alternatively, for lighter weight and very similar performance and feel (but better offroad) there's the DR650.
I just traded my 2023 KLR 650S for a 2024 Honda Transalp 750 and couldn't be happier!!! Best decision ever!!
The 390 I think is getting a new generation soon? Might be better to wait for that. I feel like someone shopping for a KLR, the closest thing I think would be the Himalayan to cross shop for.
Wait for the 2024 CFMoto 450 MT Adventure
Thinking about it ...
Im really liking the newest Himi. Which is a complete shock to me.
I cast my vote with the 390. I have a gen 3 KLR (which I’m selling soon) and have long wanted to try the 390.
Dude go test ride a 800DE iv been thinking about the klr650 for a fue years now when the gen 3 come out I was like yer yer nardue to the lack of real up grade I ended up get de800 mate go get one it is a fantastic thing it's not really a vstrom it's a new thing of its own to be onist feels like my old Honda xr650r crossed with a Yamaha R1000 trust me this bike is fking great the ktm is noisy engine and cost to much I love klr but it's old school T700 is top heavy and not as good as de hope kawasaki pull off a new klr800 soon with all moden goodies
have a look on ktm 690 enduro r or gasgas es 700, they are pretty much the same bike, powerful, lightweight, good suspension
The versys x300 is comparable with the klr. I had a klr now the versys. Versys has about same power, 6 speed, smoother, more agile and fun, better gauge cluster, more enjoyable on highway, long fuel range, lighter weight, great wind protection and better fuel mileage. The only issue with the versys is you have to get use to the higher revs but in the mountains and twisties the extra wide rev range is a blast especially with the slipper clutch.
I have a KTM 390 that I enjoy. I’d suggest looking at the Aprilia Tuareg 660.
Brother, it's not the bike that makes us want to watch the videos; it's YOU and the content or subject of the video. If you HAVE to get a new bike, then do it. But, if you're doing that just for videos I suggest just getting more creative, going to new off-road trails, or maybe do a few BDR's. Whatever you do, just be YOU and have fun with it. Go for it!!!
I got the Transalp in December and thus far am really liking it although as I'm in Canada it'll be a few months now until I can ride it again. The KTMs always sound and look impressive and are likely great to ride but the reported mechanical and reliability issues have always scared me off. The vstroms have always been good and reliable bikes just kind of underwhelming. Most reviews I've seen point out how heavy they are and while a nice torquey motor they just seem kind of meh
Transalp is a great upgrade. You gain power, great balance, and is great on and off road. Oh and the quick shifter is nice. Don’t just don’t by specs. There is so much more to it.
You did not talk about it, but the Aprilia Taureg 660 is a little more expensive than all the bikes listed, but it's lighter than anything you listed fully adjustable KYB shocks, cruise control and has a low center of gravity.
And very few (decent) dealerships.
Himi is my favorite of the bunch for a knock around bike.
Ktm390 all the way I’m at 12000 miles on mine now 2021 model , I purchased spoke wheels and use it as a dual sport trail bike the light weight more than make up for suspension travel and ground clearance, I also have a 23 model 790 adventure but the bike I use most is the 390 .
great time to be a rider..the bike choices are thru the roof...I do have a bias towards Suzuki..not mentioned in your vid is transmission quality ..Suzuki is known for slick shifting trans..the 800DE has a quick shifter up and down thats getting rave reviews.. point 2..parts availability and dealer support is a consideration.. I am hearing some manufactures are dropping dealers and going with online sales only..don't really like that move.. anywho.. my guess this won't be your last bike..I have 5 right now LOL..anywho keep us posted..psst get tha zuki :0)
I've not heard the bit about the dealers, that's interesting. Personally if I could order a bike to my door I definitely would, but I am a weirdo that doesn't like leaving the house ... Unless I'm going to the woods haha.
The 800 sounds like the best option, a little heavier than I'd like, but that never stopped me on the KLR!