His crimes enabled people like Arthur and John? Everyone gets to point fingers and sleep happy at night about themselves? The world is not led by nice guys?! Dutch would out-live John and Arthur; 100% say whaaaaat? so wild west *fantasy* mvp
When Dutch risked everything to rescue Jack I feel like that's when Dutch shined the most. He was doing everything in that mission not for money or revenge but for Jack. I feel like if that mission happened at the end when everyone was in Beaver Hollow then Dutch wouldn't have cared to go save Jack
Mr. Black I think he would’ve. He does go save Javier, after all. I think at this point, he just got very suspicious of John and Arthur and wanted them dead either way.
@@cjv8522 I agree with this. It's easy to see why Dutch was so quick to save Javier, but wasn't so quick to rescue Arthur from Colm or John from a hanging. I think he knew whose loyalty he could count on (and to Dutch, all loyalty ever meant was never questioning his actions in any way, shape or form), and who he couldn't. Arthur and John were threats to his leadership as they were able to think on their own and challenge his judgement in a way no other gang members had the balls to. Dutch preferred to stick by people who followed in line behind him (Javier/Bill) or those who massaged his ever-growing ego (Micah). His worry about the perceptions other people had of him was one of his greatest downfalls.
@@douglashay8626 Thanks, I appreciate that. If we're ever lucky enough to get an RDR3, I'd really love for it to go even further back in time and track Dutch's childhood up through his meeting Hosea, recruiting a young Arthur and ending on the eve or at the climax of the Blackwater Massacre. He's such an intriguing character, and you could still do so much to help shine a light on why he does what across the series. We could see how his relationship with his mother and father changed him, the ways he got revolutionized against the wider society as he grew older, and see some of the good intentions he had as a gang leader to actually do good at the start. One thing this game was missing was flashbacks, which I think could've been a powerful tool for us as gamers to directly see how much Dutch has changed. The first flashback I'd have added would be a mission where you play through Arthur's first robbery with Dutch and Hosea as a younger man, which concludes with Dutch ordering all the stolen cash to be given to the poor outside the town/city walls. It would show his intention to actually help others, which could clash with the final flashback we'd see, which should've been the Blackwater Massacre, where Dutch is now so uninterested with the well being of the larger populace that he shoots an innocent woman point blank as if it's nothing. The game already does a good job of implying and showing the ways Dutch changes, but I think flashbacks to the earlier life of the gang would've really hit home.
@@Bad_At_Parties I've got rockstar on the phone, they say you've got the job! I always thought a fun dlc for rdr2 would be to play as a young uncle, in his days as the one shot kid. Rather than having a serious and somber protagonist like Arthur Morgan you'd have a sarcastic and all together more humorous main character. You'd follow him as he got lumbago and maybe it could end with him meeting Dutch or something, I don't know. I love talking about rdr2 and making theories, but taking a deeper look at the characters is so fun.
Every villain who dies in the game had it coming to them. Sheriff Gray was a stupid drunk who abused his authority, Catherine Braithwaite was an evil kidnapper, Angelo Bronte was a merciless mobster, Agent Milton was an amoral mercenary, Leviticus Cornwall financed killing sprees just as surely as if he’d done the shooting himself. Governor Ferraro of Guarma was a ruthless dictator. Finally, Micah Bell was a traitor of the worst kind. Sparing any one of them would’ve meant certain death for the van der Linde gang. Not one of them died before they had already crossed the line of human decency.
Ivanperez 128 they may have wanted to do more with that story, but it’s possible that it was cut for time. I know that Rockstar cut about five hours out of the game.
JasonL77 yeah apparently that five hours was a romance thing for Arthur but they said it didn’t really fit so they got rid of it focused on other aspects of the game like the multiplayer.
He was a bad guy long before that. Dont forget he killed an innocent girl in blackwater and Aruther and Hosea started to question him began questioning him in the very beginning of the game. Dutch had good intentions when the gang formed but by the end he let his ego get to him and started using the gang.
I feel that Dutch's shot on Micah is foreshadowed shortly before when John asked him, "What are you doing here, Dutch?" And his reply, "I don't know, same as you I guess son."
Getting shot physics in most games. Especially with big guns like 50.cal sniper or a shotgun which send people flying in gameswhen in reality bullet passes human fast instead of sending him/her flying like she just got hit with a truck. Getting shot will probably not move the person at all. Not the bullet force anyway.
I swear if Hosea and Lenny didnt die, if the Trolley crash didnt happen, and he just sat with Arthur and John more, Dutch wouldve become wiser than he already was, and Micah would be choking on his own pool of blood. Dutch died when he went mad. We saw his past, understanding self come back to his mind for one moment when he realized he was lied to and betrayed when he shot Micah. He is still my favorite and most adored. Him and Arthur.
The trolley crash had nothing to do with it, it didn't mess up his brain or anything, his downfall started with the blackwater heist and each chapter only made it more apparent that he's losing his mind, Hosea dying, and therefore him not having anyone to really stop him and Micah just enabling him to do something stupid only amplified that insanity, they could've easily walked away and they were planning to in blackwater, but Dutch changed his mind last minute and Tahiti was just a ruse to get people to do robberies for him, he never really wanted to retire.
@@lazy7279 No, They're a Gang of Criminals. What Do You Expect? Killing That Women Is Something Outlaws Do. Dutch Had The Symptoms Of The Brain Injury After The Trolley Mission. And After Hosea Died, Micah Took The Opportunity To Take Over The Spot Of Hosea And Arthur. And Start Telling Dutch What To Do. Dutch Apologized To Arthur At The End By Not Going With Micah, And To John By Shooting Micah. Don't Forget Something, John Was There To Kill Micah So Dutch Said Same as You I Suppose. Micah Might've convinced Him, So He Could Take Dutch To Ross And Get The Bounty Money+Blackwater money.
GhostDeathmark I got so sad when the gang fell apart because that bond they all had before gang members got killed by other gang members and everyone was friends
8:55 That look of fear on Colm’s face when he realizes that there’s really no escape this time is truly spectacular and truly shows how real the characters feel in this game.
Mr. Shredder Playz Not to be that guy, but Bill was actually very loyal to Dutch. He said that Dutch saved his life and that he would never forget that. That’s why he’s angry with the rest of the gang when they start questionning Dutch and that’s why he stands against Arthur and John
If I was in the gang then I'd have gone to grab my gun and then say sike. Assuming Dutch and the gang hadn't shot me would be funny to mess with Brontë
Every single one of them were unarmed and defenceless, people always say that Dutch changed throughout the course of rdr2, after Hosea died. Personally I think Dutch changed long before rdr2, probably when Annebell died, it's just Hosea could always make him see reason. Only cowards and mad men kill unarmed people and not only that it went against everything he was preaching all them years, making him a liar and hypocrite too. Great character and villain though.
The Belligerent Brit Yeah, it was hinted at ever since “I Know You” when the Strange Man/Gavin/God said Dutch brutally and violently murdered an innocent young girl (Heidi McCourt). When many NPCs talk to Arthur they described it as him “just snapping” during the ferry incident.
I didnt mind him killing her since she was asking for more than a gold bar just for leading them down some small ass tunnel. As if one gold bar wasnt enough she asks for more. Plus she was prepared to kill them.
Yeah, I didn’t feel bad about Dutch killing her. She tried to extort him for more money and pulled a knife on them. He was just so crazy he didn’t even know how to answer Arthur’s questions by that point
@@jk-474 dude - that is such a great point. Dutch was probably right to kill her, but he was so focused on pulling the wool over Arthur's eyes that he painted himself into a corner with bullshit.
Ah yes up until chapter 3, Dutch was a complete pacifist in game. Not a single o'driscoll, lawman or pinkerton killed Edit: so I don't keep getting the same replies, this comment is being sarcastic. I know Dutch killed people in chapter 1 and 2 as well as on the Blackwater raid but the video starts with kills in chapter 3.
Similar to the argument about bill being the prize idiot when he makes a mistake that people would overlook with Arthur. Arthur really gets away with so much and talks so much shit but it gets waved off since he’s the main character lol not that I care since he’s to be protected at all costs lmao Still, I hope he gets the John Marston treatment in RD3 where he’s a total shithead who has much to learn
@@Eight1Eight187 it’s cuz he was one of the first gang member and was Dutch’s right hand man. He was basically 2nd or 3rd in command of the gang. Until Hosea died and his sickness spread
You know what? When it comes to those guys, peace almost never is an option. Except for that mission where you had to watch colm hang. That mission could have been much more smoother had she just been more relaxed and more…colm. Heh, get it?
Very stupid cutscene. They just had to make a point that she is a badass cowgirl. Starting a shootout in public for no reason is something that doesn't make any sense
In 4:58 is arthur says "you sure you're alright,dutch" in low honor,because i played rdr2 chapter 5 i choose high honor and in different cutscene arthur says "you keep killing folk,dutch" in high honor
in like a minute, dutch mentions the look in her eye. in high honor, arthur says “i thought you said you knew spanish.” in low honor, he says “you gonna strangle me next?”
@@SafeBurrito5465 you couldn't be any more wrong. In high honor, he says "you gonna strangle me next?" while in low honor, he says "or maybe we have all gone rotten"
@@padaro4504 I feel like people tend to forget that the whole reason why they keep getting into trouble is because Dutch keeps killing people, while their whole argument is "they deserved it".
When Dutch says "I posses things that you will never understand" is just too deep. And even better is that the music and every single sound stops. Gave me chills. 2:15
Actually, I agree with Dutch somehow. I find his logic, well pratcital. I mean he did grow over moral issue of normal people. He was able to do what is required of him to survive. He was fighting to the last breath. Only that filth Micah Bell maybe put him on an wrong way. But without him, and maybe with more understanding and flexibility( moral flexibility ) of his gang members, it would all end up the happy way. Sad story of his, it is. Wish we could know him more.
It’s something I noticed through out the story. He started becoming less about the game and sort of…a hero? A public one. He got involved in wars that didn’t even include him, preached to the desperate side of folks to paint himself as someone to look up to from the public standing. First it was just the gang’s loyalty but over time I saw him starting to preach to others. The coal miner in this video, the natives and their war with the army, the rebellion against the plantation owners on Guarma, he’s started to become a hero of the people rather than a hero for the gang. He didn’t exactly “go to the dark side” or become evil, but rather disconnected. He started doing things that helped OTHER people, pitching in to solve OTHER people’s problems. His worries stretched from just the gang, to the whole world, which eventually lead everyone to leave. They felt as if all the new plans Dutch had just didn’t have a place for them anymore, like in the grand scheme of things they weren’t as important. Hosea was there to not only reason with him but to keep him grounded. Dutch has been popularized as a silver tongue, a man of many words. And Hosea knows better than anyone that Dutch will dig himself a deeper hole if her talks too much. So he makes sure that Dutch’s plans, his ideas, all stay within the confines of the gang and solve THEIR problems first. It’s honestly fascinating to see how the whole thing goes down.
- - - TrayPlayzYT - - - I have to disagree, One of the reasons Dutch kept Bill around was his blind loyalty, Bill tried to rob Dutch, but after he took Bill in, it gave him purpose.
The reason Dutch went insane was because in the trolley robbery mission he hits his head and everyone asks if he’s ok and he says he’s ok but later he admits he’s not that well there are also possible reasons like for example hosea’s death his best friend that’s been with him for 20 yesrs
and with micah brain washing him in plain sight, micah changed dutch and changed his perspective on everyone around him, do you really think if him and micah didn’t get so close he would’ve left arthur to die? he would’ve shot micah in cold blood for betraying a gang member, he knew arthur since he was 15 years old.
I guess we kinda got a look how they looked aswell, when you play as Arthur if you inspect a picture by his bed you can see young Arthur, Dutch and Hosea
No, it's obvious that they will do RDR3 to explain how the blackwater thing was and they talked a lot about MAC and saying he was good person till the point that Arthur misses him and doesn't like to hear people say he was an asshole So yeah RDR3 could about Mac and the story of the blackwater heist
I know I am not the only one that wants a jack game for read dead 3. We never got to see what happens to him after ross gets murdered. Does he get married and stay a criminal? Does he stop killing? His story could be a great story. Maybe even lead it into world war 1. We need a sequel no more prequels.
Sadie losing her shit at the hanging always pissed me off I feel like I’m the one person who finds Sadie more annoying half the time then interesting I would’ve preferred litterally anyone to come back during the epilogue thank god charles was there
For Dutch, it was never about getting a huge score and running off to paradise. It was about putting up a fight against what America stands for and have blindy loyal followers putting their lives on the line for him. When Arthur and John started becoming sceptical and questioned him he did the same right back, questioning their faith and loyalty to him, even calling them traitors and rats.
That also helps emphasize that Guarma was an ironic hell for Dutch: He gets his tropical island...ruled by the very same system he hates and with a much worse situation than in the USA.
Micah is relentless as he always say "am a survivor blacklung!! A survivor !!" He choosed to be the villian and he's fucking good at it that made a lot to hate him ... i haven't seen a character like him in any game ...
4:40 anybody would have done the same thing lmfao, Dutch has had enough being betrayed, he's only human. Besides, the old lady would have killed both of em if they didn't do nothing lol
Anybody really notice how Micha’s death is kinda similar to John’s in the way that he walks around a bit before collapsing to the ground, kind of like how John took a few steps forward and then collapsed. Just saw that.
one thing i noticed was the phrase that dutch says is: "its us or him, and i figured it might as well be him" and nobody noticed that john says something similiar too in red dead redemption 1 while confronting javier. to be exact, he said:"its either me or you,javier, and i figured it might as well be you" or something like that. the 2 games show a lot of similarities and easter eggs to eachother that its mind blowing
Chapter 1-3(ending) Dutch: Caring,willing to help anyone Chapter 4-6(starting): slowly descent into madness especially after Hosea died,manipulated by Micah Chapter 6(ending): reckless,loves destruction,doesn't even listen to Arthur anymore,fully gone mad Prologue Part 2: Realises his mistakes only after seeing John come up the mountain and kill everyone in his path just to get revenge for Arthur RDR 1: Mad again,thinks that he's the savior of the Indians once again Redeems himself,kinda before jumping off the mountain
Nobody saw the 3 men dutch smoked right at the being of the braithewaite mansion mission. He said “ if you ain’t gonna me civilized about this” and smoked 3 dude right there
What I always thought about Dutch is that he did care at one point but with the events in rdr 2 it made him insane even continuing in rdr. after losing the gang due to them dying, the Pinkertons chasing him, Hosea's death, Anglo Bronte playing him, Guarma, and constantly being obsessed with money, he became very detached reality and what he stood for. And in 1911 when you see him last as John he's a complete psychopath by now.
I thought I hated Dutch in the end, but then I realized i was just pissed off and that Dutch is actually my favorite character in this entire game. (After Arthur, of course)
1:05 idk why i just love this scene i think it may be because it's such a badass scene or it's just one of his first actions the resulted in his madness
i feel bad for dutch, he had a dream and it just wasn’t possible to attain. the world slowly closed in around him and the life he wanted was slowly taken away from him. thats why it was so easy for micah to manipulate him he kept encouraging dutch to pursue his ideal life and he did. while in a good ending he would realize times are changing and he would’ve adapted we unfortunately see the ending in which micah used him and feasted on his sanity like a vulture. he was a good man but was lied to and used, and in the process of it all lost one of his best friends and was made to believe his other turned against him. its easy to look at him as the villain but he’s human just like the rest of us. he just wanted to get away from it all but couldn’t.
To be honest Dutch wasn’t always bad he was just manipulated by micha and his words that’s what made Dutch into what he hated most a killer but Your not born a killer you become a killer
What makes Dutch such a good character and differentiates him from others (especially Micah) was these scenes showed that some of most of his killings at least before the events of Red Dead 1 were of pure passion and then some of his ego which is what his entire character is built upon. The personality is what draws the emphasis of these actions (Micah killed an entire town so none of his killings are emphasizing because killing is a regular occurrence)
i dont think dutch was ever wrong or bad. He knew how garbage people are and he knows that being nice and permissive just gets you exploited or killed. He was one of the only people on that planet with reason and critical thought.
That face expressions on Colm when he realizes that there is no more scape is so realistic
He goes from cocky to anxious in seconds.
@@TheropodHunter you mean cocky to afraid?
@@dmz4162 Yup.
The actors killed it! God this new technology is amazing. Video games are an art I swear!
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You forgot Dutch's final victim: himself
1974 Lincoln Continental Town Coupe lmao
Truer words have never been said, greatest villain in Rockstar history
Hellfire Black actually he’s not villain. The following villains of red dead are: Micah, ross, milton, and the pinkertons
@@skxlter5747 Dutch is definitely not a villain
His crimes enabled people like Arthur and John?
Everyone gets to point fingers and sleep happy at night about themselves?
The world is not led by nice guys?!
Dutch would out-live John and Arthur; 100% say whaaaaat?
so
wild west *fantasy* mvp
When Dutch risked everything to rescue Jack I feel like that's when Dutch shined the most. He was doing everything in that mission not for money or revenge but for Jack. I feel like if that mission happened at the end when everyone was in Beaver Hollow then Dutch wouldn't have cared to go save Jack
Mr. Black
I think he would’ve. He does go save Javier, after all. I think at this point, he just got very suspicious of John and Arthur and wanted them dead either way.
@@cjv8522 I agree with this. It's easy to see why Dutch was so quick to save Javier, but wasn't so quick to rescue Arthur from Colm or John from a hanging. I think he knew whose loyalty he could count on (and to Dutch, all loyalty ever meant was never questioning his actions in any way, shape or form), and who he couldn't. Arthur and John were threats to his leadership as they were able to think on their own and challenge his judgement in a way no other gang members had the balls to. Dutch preferred to stick by people who followed in line behind him (Javier/Bill) or those who massaged his ever-growing ego (Micah). His worry about the perceptions other people had of him was one of his greatest downfalls.
@@Bad_At_Parties Very well said. Great character analysis.
@@douglashay8626 Thanks, I appreciate that. If we're ever lucky enough to get an RDR3, I'd really love for it to go even further back in time and track Dutch's childhood up through his meeting Hosea, recruiting a young Arthur and ending on the eve or at the climax of the Blackwater Massacre. He's such an intriguing character, and you could still do so much to help shine a light on why he does what across the series. We could see how his relationship with his mother and father changed him, the ways he got revolutionized against the wider society as he grew older, and see some of the good intentions he had as a gang leader to actually do good at the start.
One thing this game was missing was flashbacks, which I think could've been a powerful tool for us as gamers to directly see how much Dutch has changed. The first flashback I'd have added would be a mission where you play through Arthur's first robbery with Dutch and Hosea as a younger man, which concludes with Dutch ordering all the stolen cash to be given to the poor outside the town/city walls. It would show his intention to actually help others, which could clash with the final flashback we'd see, which should've been the Blackwater Massacre, where Dutch is now so uninterested with the well being of the larger populace that he shoots an innocent woman point blank as if it's nothing. The game already does a good job of implying and showing the ways Dutch changes, but I think flashbacks to the earlier life of the gang would've really hit home.
@@Bad_At_Parties I've got rockstar on the phone, they say you've got the job! I always thought a fun dlc for rdr2 would be to play as a young uncle, in his days as the one shot kid. Rather than having a serious and somber protagonist like Arthur Morgan you'd have a sarcastic and all together more humorous main character. You'd follow him as he got lumbago and maybe it could end with him meeting Dutch or something, I don't know. I love talking about rdr2 and making theories, but taking a deeper look at the characters is so fun.
Let’s be real,we all wanted Catherine Braithewaite and Angelo bronte dead
Yeah never liked Catherine Braithwaite. I felt bad for the Sherrif Gray though.
@@prosimian didnt feel that bad for him after he killed sean
Every villain who dies in the game had it coming to them. Sheriff Gray was a stupid drunk who abused his authority, Catherine Braithwaite was an evil kidnapper, Angelo Bronte was a merciless mobster, Agent Milton was an amoral mercenary, Leviticus Cornwall financed killing sprees just as surely as if he’d done the shooting himself. Governor Ferraro of Guarma was a ruthless dictator. Finally, Micah Bell was a traitor of the worst kind. Sparing any one of them would’ve meant certain death for the van der Linde gang. Not one of them died before they had already crossed the line of human decency.
@@prosimiannever felt bad for that dick he was the reason sean was killed
@@grgswtt Sean and company started it
2:23 micah: *it's free real state*
Lol xD
Thank Holly Lumbago he ain't there
The Nova renaissance $150,000
The Nova renaissance It was 150,000 but most of it was spent on the bank debts or Dutch and Micah. According to the newspaper, at least.
Agustin Rossetti bet not you fool
6:59 Arthur was portraying a visual bruh moment
Cornwall deserved it
I just realized wtf was Arthur doing 😂?
@@Ape8658 He was wondering the same thing for Dutch
The part where he kills Bronte is my favorite Dutch scene. When he says “Call them now! You call them!” always gives me chills.
JasonL77 Tbh I was expecting more Mafia in the city than just a Italian guy
Ivanperez 128 they may have wanted to do more with that story, but it’s possible that it was cut for time. I know that Rockstar cut about five hours out of the game.
JasonL77 yeah apparently that five hours was a romance thing for Arthur but they said it didn’t really fit so they got rid of it focused on other aspects of the game like the multiplayer.
The look on Arthur's face is what gets me every time. As if he'd finally realized everything he thought he knew about Dutch was wrong.
Claude Shepperson Jr they confirmed no single player content has been worked on till launch so no RDR2 undead nightmare
Anyone noticed how Dutch has silver revolvers in the story and in the epilogue his revolvers are black? It’s implying that he went completely bad
Dang never noticed that until u pointed that out
Elias Cervantes I didn’t notice it until my second play through
I think one is silver and the other is black
Why didnt he switch to semi auto pistols in the epilogue
nazzeem _ I was hoping he was going to
Yeah i think dutch was too much on pressure and Hosea Dead and the trolley crash got him crazy.
That's exactly what I said
He was a bad guy long before that. Dont forget he killed an innocent girl in blackwater and Aruther and Hosea started to question him began questioning him in the very beginning of the game. Dutch had good intentions when the gang formed but by the end he let his ego get to him and started using the gang.
Startrekmaniac they’re criminals. They’re not meant to act like redeeming bumpkins
@@startrekmaniac1701 Arthur wasnt a hero either he killed alot of people
Dutch was never crazy
I feel that Dutch's shot on Micah is foreshadowed shortly before when John asked him, "What are you doing here, Dutch?"
And his reply, "I don't know, same as you I guess son."
Bismo Wicaksono yeah same.
U stupid he didn't say that he said same as u i suppose
Go back to momma
@@Zz0Z79 chill 6 yr old
@@strongcapybara5646 shut up u stupid poor
12:33 Binoculars is another hero....
Dutch: stay with me!
Also Dutch: **ditches everyone with Micah**
9:31 When your dad finds your report card.
Damn 500 likes thx
LMAOO
8:55 when you’re watching your parents look over your report card
9:31
Me:What dad?
Imagine if the teachers name is mrs Adler
Dutch: * shoots johns binoculars*
John: *falls on back as if he was sent flying by an explosion*
Getting shot physics in most games. Especially with big guns like 50.cal sniper or a shotgun which send people flying in gameswhen in reality bullet passes human fast instead of sending him/her flying like she just got hit with a truck.
Getting shot will probably not move the person at all. Not the bullet force anyway.
I mean I probably would too if John just stood there that would have felt unnatural
Tell me how you’re head feels using binoculars and getting hit.
@@wtf-hc3tp even if it hurts and even if it knocked him out a person would just collapse and fall not go flying over like that.
Damn son where'd you find this. Exactly
0:10 that was painful
That was such an easy headshot yet he missed
Fr seriously boring
I Am The Marble just embarrassing
Fr that was awful
I swear if Hosea and Lenny didnt die, if the Trolley crash didnt happen, and he just sat with Arthur and John more, Dutch wouldve become wiser than he already was, and Micah would be choking on his own pool of blood. Dutch died when he went mad. We saw his past, understanding self come back to his mind for one moment when he realized he was lied to and betrayed when he shot Micah. He is still my favorite and most adored. Him and Arthur.
The trolley crash had nothing to do with it, it didn't mess up his brain or anything, his downfall started with the blackwater heist and each chapter only made it more apparent that he's losing his mind, Hosea dying, and therefore him not having anyone to really stop him and Micah just enabling him to do something stupid only amplified that insanity, they could've easily walked away and they were planning to in blackwater, but Dutch changed his mind last minute and Tahiti was just a ruse to get people to do robberies for him, he never really wanted to retire.
@@lazy7279 No, They're a Gang of Criminals. What Do You Expect? Killing That Women Is Something Outlaws Do. Dutch Had The Symptoms Of The Brain Injury After The Trolley Mission. And After Hosea Died, Micah Took The Opportunity To Take Over The Spot Of Hosea And Arthur. And Start Telling Dutch What To Do. Dutch Apologized To Arthur At The End By Not Going With Micah, And To John By Shooting Micah. Don't Forget Something, John Was There To Kill Micah So Dutch Said Same as You I Suppose. Micah Might've convinced Him, So He Could Take Dutch To Ross And Get The Bounty Money+Blackwater money.
GhostDeathmark I got so sad when the gang fell apart because that bond they all had before gang members got killed by other gang members and everyone was friends
You forgot the part where he jumps off the cliff to Tahiti
TR1NI7Y HD goodnight girl I’ll see you in Tahiti *CRASH*
@@spacemonkey5806 I'm a Boah
@Arthur Morgan What money?
LOL
TR1NI7Y HD THE MUNEH FOR TAHITI!
8:55 That look of fear on Colm’s face when he realizes that there’s really no escape this time is truly spectacular and truly shows how real the characters feel in this game.
Dutch just did a lil bit of trolling, whoops! 😂💀
Colm acting all smug on the gallows until he realizes he’s actually about to hang is just great lol
2:23 bill was actually thinking about it lol
Yes lmfao
Mr. Shredder Playz Not to be that guy, but Bill was actually very loyal to Dutch. He said that Dutch saved his life and that he would never forget that. That’s why he’s angry with the rest of the gang when they start questionning Dutch and that’s why he stands against Arthur and John
production60 yes but he sure looked like he wanted that 1000$
Mr. Shredder Playz Hahahah yeah he sure did!
If I was in the gang then I'd have gone to grab my gun and then say sike. Assuming Dutch and the gang hadn't shot me would be funny to mess with Brontë
Every single one of them were unarmed and defenceless, people always say that Dutch changed throughout the course of rdr2, after Hosea died. Personally I think Dutch changed long before rdr2, probably when Annebell died, it's just Hosea could always make him see reason.
Only cowards and mad men kill unarmed people and not only that it went against everything he was preaching all them years, making him a liar and hypocrite too. Great character and villain though.
The Belligerent Brit Yeah, it was hinted at ever since “I Know You” when the Strange Man/Gavin/God said Dutch brutally and violently murdered an innocent young girl (Heidi McCourt). When many NPCs talk to Arthur they described it as him “just snapping” during the ferry incident.
@@lilfriedchicken9920 HAS ANYONE SEEN GAVIN!?!?!?!?
Yeah exactly and that girl he killed in Blackwater hist on that boat.
Nah, when Arthur, Lenny, and Dutch robbed the bank and was setup, they crashed and Dutch hit his head... that's when I think Dutch TRULY lost it.
Thats the thing Dutch never changed. Throughout the story he slowly started to unravel and expose who he truly was.
I like how all his more messed up kills take place in dark areas while all his more anti hero type kills happen in lighter areas
Like where he throughs kills the old lady in the sunlight
"She was going to betray us! Couldn't you tell?"
*looks down at knife*
"no"
4:52
I didnt mind him killing her since she was asking for more than a gold bar just for leading them down some small ass tunnel. As if one gold bar wasnt enough she asks for more. Plus she was prepared to kill them.
to be fair she was asking for it
Yeah, I didn’t feel bad about Dutch killing her. She tried to extort him for more money and pulled a knife on them. He was just so crazy he didn’t even know how to answer Arthur’s questions by that point
@@jk-474 dude - that is such a great point. Dutch was probably right to kill her, but he was so focused on pulling the wool over Arthur's eyes that he painted himself into a corner with bullshit.
Nobody:
My dad when he gets home 9:31
OkKaiokenn Yess 😂🤣
OkKaiokenn when ur dad finds out u were drafted for the nba and returns home from the store 20 years later
Moto 69 even better 🤣
Ha so good
XDDDDDDDD
“BRING HIM HERE” Dutch 10 feet away from him
Ah yes up until chapter 3, Dutch was a complete pacifist in game. Not a single o'driscoll, lawman or pinkerton killed
Edit: so I don't keep getting the same replies, this comment is being sarcastic. I know Dutch killed people in chapter 1 and 2 as well as on the Blackwater raid but the video starts with kills in chapter 3.
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He killed someone in Blackwater and he killed some odriscals up in the snow and he killed some of Cornwall’s men in valentine
Call me Charlie He was being sarcastic
@@callmecharlie37 guess you wooooshed on that one
In chapter 6 he’s in genocide now
Arthur kills hundreds of people: nothing
Dutch kills someone:Easy Dutch!
Exactly
Ye you kill hundreds of people daily and that’s something you have to do to continue the game
Similar to the argument about bill being the prize idiot when he makes a mistake that people would overlook with Arthur.
Arthur really gets away with so much and talks so much shit but it gets waved off since he’s the main character lol not that I care since he’s to be protected at all costs lmao
Still, I hope he gets the John Marston treatment in RD3 where he’s a total shithead who has much to learn
@@Eight1Eight187 Well he gets treated like a sick dog in the later chapters so let him have his time at least lol.
@@Eight1Eight187 it’s cuz he was one of the first gang member and was Dutch’s right hand man. He was basically 2nd or 3rd in command of the gang. Until Hosea died and his sickness spread
When Dutch drowned Angelo that was actually scary and the way the others acted to him doing that were like whoa wtf
Just imagine how badass was the Van der Linde boys in his glory days
Say what you want about Dutch but you got to admit when the dude’s given a scene he owns that scene
O’Driscoller: *exists*
Sadie: PEACE WAS NEVER AN OPTION
Some say she's John Wick's Great Grandmother
You know what? When it comes to those guys, peace almost never is an option.
Except for that mission where you had to watch colm hang. That mission could have been much more smoother had she just been more relaxed and more…colm. Heh, get it?
Very stupid cutscene.
They just had to make a point that she is a badass cowgirl. Starting a shootout in public for no reason is something that doesn't make any sense
@@onizuka4869fr
In 4:58 is arthur says "you sure you're alright,dutch" in low honor,because i played rdr2 chapter 5 i choose high honor and in different cutscene arthur says "you keep killing folk,dutch" in high honor
Damn, that's an amazing detail. I have never seen a video covering it! Thank you.
It also happened when Dutch helped Eagle Flies kill the soldiers
This game keeps Surprising Me!
in like a minute, dutch mentions the look in her eye. in high honor, arthur says “i thought you said you knew spanish.” in low honor, he says “you gonna strangle me next?”
@@SafeBurrito5465 you couldn't be any more wrong. In high honor, he says "you gonna strangle me next?" while in low honor, he says "or maybe we have all gone rotten"
@@chrisnotpratt1903 so i COULD be more wrong lol, but thanks for correcting me
you can hear the craziest in Dutches laugh when he goes
“Noise Arthur, Noise!”
9:33 when your dad comes back after 7 years with the milk
It's been quite the while
אבא שלי עדיין לא חזר עם החלב
@@comradeskipper5232 I am so sorry
"We need that noise and one more ScOrE!! Have some goddamn FAith OnE mOrE BiG sCoRE Arthur.. Tahiti!!!!!
Boat
Money
Plan
ONE MORE SCORRRRRRE ARTHUR AND WE CAN LEAVE
@@rhybaax8829 C'MON, D U T C H!
To be fair, most of the people he killed deserved it. Up until the kills in RDR1
They deserved it, but that only made the gang more problems.
@@padaro4504 I feel like people tend to forget that the whole reason why they keep getting into trouble is because Dutch keeps killing people, while their whole argument is "they deserved it".
When Dutch says "I posses things that you will never understand" is just too deep. And even better is that the music and every single sound stops. Gave me chills. 2:15
Actually, I agree with Dutch somehow. I find his logic, well pratcital. I mean he did grow over moral issue of normal people. He was able to do what is required of him to survive. He was fighting to the last breath. Only that filth Micah Bell maybe put him on an wrong way. But without him, and maybe with more understanding and flexibility( moral flexibility ) of his gang members, it would all end up the happy way. Sad story of his, it is. Wish we could know him more.
It’s something I noticed through out the story. He started becoming less about the game and sort of…a hero? A public one. He got involved in wars that didn’t even include him, preached to the desperate side of folks to paint himself as someone to look up to from the public standing.
First it was just the gang’s loyalty but over time I saw him starting to preach to others. The coal miner in this video, the natives and their war with the army, the rebellion against the plantation owners on Guarma, he’s started to become a hero of the people rather than a hero for the gang.
He didn’t exactly “go to the dark side” or become evil, but rather disconnected. He started doing things that helped OTHER people, pitching in to solve OTHER people’s problems. His worries stretched from just the gang, to the whole world, which eventually lead everyone to leave. They felt as if all the new plans Dutch had just didn’t have a place for them anymore, like in the grand scheme of things they weren’t as important.
Hosea was there to not only reason with him but to keep him grounded. Dutch has been popularized as a silver tongue, a man of many words. And Hosea knows better than anyone that Dutch will dig himself a deeper hole if her talks too much. So he makes sure that Dutch’s plans, his ideas, all stay within the confines of the gang and solve THEIR problems first.
It’s honestly fascinating to see how the whole thing goes down.
2:45 that moment when filth has got to be disposed of
mfw i think my friends, the Pinkertons, are gonna come and rescue me
Greatest anti hero n antagonist Rockstar ever created 🔥
2:22 you can see that some of them where thinking of doing it
Bill: *SJjJjwjJqjjsjajajsj*
Bill: HUH
Bill definitely thought it, I don’t think the thought even passed lenny’s, john’s or Arthur’s minds though.
- - - TrayPlayzYT - - - I have to disagree, One of the reasons Dutch kept Bill around was his blind loyalty, Bill tried to rob Dutch, but after he took Bill in, it gave him purpose.
Dutch: *kills every single Braithwaite*
Everybody: WAIT, THAT IS ILLEGAL!
i don’t think any of us thought that
The reason Dutch went insane was because in the trolley robbery mission he hits his head and everyone asks if he’s ok and he says he’s ok but later he admits he’s not that well there are also possible reasons like for example hosea’s death his best friend that’s been with him for 20 yesrs
I know right
and with micah brain washing him in plain sight, micah changed dutch and changed his perspective on everyone around him, do you really think if him and micah didn’t get so close he would’ve left arthur to die? he would’ve shot micah in cold blood for betraying a gang member, he knew arthur since he was 15 years old.
It would be interesting to play as a young Dutch in Red Dead 3 when John and Arthur were still kids.
I guess we kinda got a look how they looked aswell, when you play as Arthur if you inspect a picture by his bed you can see young Arthur, Dutch and Hosea
No, it's obvious that they will do RDR3 to explain how the blackwater thing was and they talked a lot about MAC and saying he was good person till the point that Arthur misses him and doesn't like to hear people say he was an asshole
So yeah RDR3 could about Mac and the story of the blackwater heist
arthur at the epilogue
Would be nice to have a prequel before the Blackwater massacre, but we might have to wait for years for that. Maybe a decade.
I know I am not the only one that wants a jack game for read dead 3. We never got to see what happens to him after ross gets murdered. Does he get married and stay a criminal? Does he stop killing? His story could be a great story. Maybe even lead it into world war 1. We need a sequel no more prequels.
3:26 Anyone who played the first game probably has a deja vu: John will say the same thing to Javier when he finds him.
9:32 When your siblings are arguing then the dad walks in
“He won’t let me play his Xbox!!”
8:04 proceeds to get pulled into the water
Sadie losing her shit at the hanging always pissed me off I feel like I’m the one person who finds Sadie more annoying half the time then interesting I would’ve preferred litterally anyone to come back during the epilogue thank god charles was there
6:59 I love Arthur's reaction aq
9:27
- Sadie commits bloody murder
- Papa Dutch: OK let’s go
Micah **Gets shot a billion times in the head**
Also Micah: 'Tis but a flesh wound
make a lot of noise , get a lot of money
“This Vanderline robs me, and laughs at me!”
Lol
0:00 - 1:15 Dutch didnt kill the son, he was already dead!
For Dutch, it was never about getting a huge score and running off to paradise. It was about putting up a fight against what America stands for and have blindy loyal followers putting their lives on the line for him. When Arthur and John started becoming sceptical and questioned him he did the same right back, questioning their faith and loyalty to him, even calling them traitors and rats.
That also helps emphasize that Guarma was an ironic hell for Dutch: He gets his tropical island...ruled by the very same system he hates and with a much worse situation than in the USA.
4:47 Dutch: but she's gonna betray us arthur. that needs to become a meme
Bronte: $1000 to the man who kills him and sets me free!
The gang: 🗿
Micah is relentless as he always say "am a survivor blacklung!! A survivor !!" He choosed to be the villian and he's fucking good at it that made a lot to hate him ... i haven't seen a character like him in any game ...
9:31 my dad when i pay with his paypal card
4:40 anybody would have done the same thing lmfao, Dutch has had enough being betrayed, he's only human. Besides, the old lady would have killed both of em if they didn't do nothing lol
Me as John marston: feeds people to alligators as a bit of fun.
John marston in RD2: DuTcH, wHy U dO tHaT?!
Kinda destroys the REDEMPTION part
Dutch is the most well-written character in the game. He is the Walter White of videogames.
Anybody really notice how Micha’s death is kinda similar to John’s in the way that he walks around a bit before collapsing to the ground, kind of like how John took a few steps forward and then collapsed. Just saw that.
one thing i noticed was the phrase that dutch says is: "its us or him, and i figured it might as well be him" and nobody noticed that john says something similiar too in red dead redemption 1 while confronting javier. to be exact, he said:"its either me or you,javier, and i figured it might as well be you" or something like that. the 2 games show a lot of similarities and easter eggs to eachother that its mind blowing
Chapter 1-3(ending) Dutch:
Caring,willing to help anyone
Chapter 4-6(starting):
slowly descent into madness especially after Hosea died,manipulated by Micah
Chapter 6(ending):
reckless,loves destruction,doesn't even listen to Arthur anymore,fully gone mad
Prologue Part 2:
Realises his mistakes only after seeing John come up the mountain and kill everyone in his path just to get revenge for Arthur
RDR 1:
Mad again,thinks that he's the savior of the Indians once again
Redeems himself,kinda before jumping off the mountain
Nobody saw the 3 men dutch smoked right at the being of the braithewaite mansion mission. He said “ if you ain’t gonna me civilized about this” and smoked 3 dude right there
“Noise, Arthur, Noise!”
Arthur: “revenge is a fools game”
Sadie: I beg to differ
I like how when dutch brought up that angelo got beat by bumpkins he got all mad lmao
If Micah was on the boat he would have shot Dutch in an instant
Man, Colm's expression when he realized he's not getting away is always so haunting to me.
9:42 put it at 0.25
Irks me that Dutch never gets back the gold he gave that woman.
It just goes to show, Evil doesn’t die, it changes shape and Dutch is a prime example.
Arthur: *Kills hundreds of persons*
Dutch: *kills one*
Arthur: what the fuck dutch
7:02
Welcome to McDonald’s sir, what can we get for you?
“I’m not quite sure just yet” 🤣🤣
What I always thought about Dutch is that he did care at one point but with the events in rdr 2 it made him insane even continuing in rdr. after losing the gang due to them dying, the Pinkertons chasing him, Hosea's death, Anglo Bronte playing him, Guarma, and constantly being obsessed with money, he became very detached reality and what he stood for. And in 1911 when you see him last as John he's a complete psychopath by now.
Catherine Brathwaite deserved it. Should have stayed tf away from Jack.
I love Dutch apart from when and after Micah manipulated him
I thought I hated Dutch in the end, but then I realized i was just pissed off and that Dutch is actually my favorite character in this entire game. (After Arthur, of course)
1:05 idk why i just love this scene i think it may be because it's such a badass scene or it's just one of his first actions the resulted in his madness
I love how Micah just shrugs and in his mind is just “Shit guess I’m dead”
8:49
“In their last moment, people show you who they really are” - Joker
Then there is me, just here to hear his voice.
That ladder lady was justified unfair prices especially in 1890 are just cruel 4:35
i feel bad for dutch, he had a dream and it just wasn’t possible to attain. the world slowly closed in around him and the life he wanted was slowly taken away from him. thats why it was so easy for micah to manipulate him he kept encouraging dutch to pursue his ideal life and he did. while in a good ending he would realize times are changing and he would’ve adapted we unfortunately see the ending in which micah used him and feasted on his sanity like a vulture. he was a good man but was lied to and used, and in the process of it all lost one of his best friends and was made to believe his other turned against him. its easy to look at him as the villain but he’s human just like the rest of us. he just wanted to get away from it all but couldn’t.
6:56 After only seeing this scene for the first time, it's already one of the best scenes in gaming to me. It's so well done.
Me in free roam:feeds a guy to a alligator:nothing
Dutch:does the same thing
Gang:👁👄👁
John:jesus dutch
To be honest Dutch wasn’t always bad he was just manipulated by micha and his words that’s what made Dutch into what he hated most a killer but
Your not born a killer you become a killer
I don’t think the first one counted cuz they were kinda already dead
Seeing red dead redemption makes me so comfortable
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@@alexrobinson5058 the first game
AkillerAims ForTheHeart ah I see
I never noticed Dutch’s chuckle when he said “Noise, Arthur, noise!” He fucking enjoyed that
What makes Dutch such a good character and differentiates him from others (especially Micah) was these scenes showed that some of most of his killings at least before the events of Red Dead 1 were of pure passion and then some of his ego which is what his entire character is built upon. The personality is what draws the emphasis of these actions (Micah killed an entire town so none of his killings are emphasizing because killing is a regular occurrence)
i dont think dutch was ever wrong or bad. He knew how garbage people are and he knows that being nice and permissive just gets you exploited or killed. He was one of the only people on that planet with reason and critical thought.
Like most protagonists
look at Dutch's chaps in American Venom and those are the same he wears in RDR
Belive me... I had a plan.
He also killed a woman in Blackwater but is not shown
Alejandro Escobar it was the most brutal
12:35 literally tried to kill John? Would he have tried to if he had ammo at the end?
Legend says he still has a plan.
"It ain't nice, I know it. But it is us, or him! I figure it might as well be him..."
The music right after that is so chilling