Hello Taiping Dao, thank you very much for all the videos and articles you have uploaded! All of it as been incredibly informative; the Chinese martial arts world is extremely rich and complex, it is like finding a treasure box. As someone who is not very well-informed scholastically, may I ask some of my curiosities about Chinese martial arts, specifically about Shandong-Hebei ones? 1) According to my minuscule knowledge and reading, it appears that Bafanmen and its variants ("Hebei Fanziquan") seemed to be the source where martial arts styles such as classical Tanglangquan (Meihua line) and local Luohanquan variants developed out of. How accurate would this view be? I'm also curious if they were the source for other local longfist styles such as Yanqingquan, Erlangquan, and Liuhemen. There seems to be at least some sign that old Bafanmen flavor survived within the now-almost-extinct Shandong shaolin quan which immigrated to the Korean peninsula in the 1950s (also exhibits strong Yanqingquan flavor) - with many of its iconic techniques and postures intact. Erlangquan and some of the Yue Jia longfist styles in Hebei also seemed to have postures identical to those of Bafanmen variants. But could you inform me with your opinion on this matter? You are likely much more well-informed within this field. 2) Some people like to refer certain longfist styles (such as Liuhemen) as "Yue style shaolin". However, from what I have read, Yue Fei had little to do with the actual Songshan Shaolin temple - but rather appear to be more related to military martial arts and grassroots folk traditions. What does "Yue style shaolin" refer to? Is it an erroneous term? If not, which styles fall within it? I was curious, since many local longfist styles within Hebei-Shandong provinces often incorporated forms by the name of Yuejia (Yue family).
There is a lot of influence throughout, it becomes difficult over such a long history to identify precisely as it evolves significantly absorbing methods from experience as much as interchange. However over the Northern central plains the styles of Taizu Chang Quan (also known as Hong Quan) and those of Bafanzi Men (noting two styles therein being Bafan Quan and Muzi Quan) have a long history and influence many styles. Many attributions of martial arts to historical figures are posthumous, rather than directly associated. Thus they appear in many martial arts whether in history or in methods. It is not to purposeful to go too far back in history or folklore for that, rather focus on the measurable history and influences.
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Hello Taiping Dao, thank you very much for all the videos and articles you have uploaded! All of it as been incredibly informative; the Chinese martial arts world is extremely rich and complex, it is like finding a treasure box.
As someone who is not very well-informed scholastically, may I ask some of my curiosities about Chinese martial arts, specifically about Shandong-Hebei ones?
1) According to my minuscule knowledge and reading, it appears that Bafanmen and its variants ("Hebei Fanziquan") seemed to be the source where martial arts styles such as classical Tanglangquan (Meihua line) and local Luohanquan variants developed out of. How accurate would this view be? I'm also curious if they were the source for other local longfist styles such as Yanqingquan, Erlangquan, and Liuhemen.
There seems to be at least some sign that old Bafanmen flavor survived within the now-almost-extinct Shandong shaolin quan which immigrated to the Korean peninsula in the 1950s (also exhibits strong Yanqingquan flavor) - with many of its iconic techniques and postures intact. Erlangquan and some of the Yue Jia longfist styles in Hebei also seemed to have postures identical to those of Bafanmen variants. But could you inform me with your opinion on this matter? You are likely much more well-informed within this field.
2) Some people like to refer certain longfist styles (such as Liuhemen) as "Yue style shaolin". However, from what I have read, Yue Fei had little to do with the actual Songshan Shaolin temple - but rather appear to be more related to military martial arts and grassroots folk traditions. What does "Yue style shaolin" refer to? Is it an erroneous term? If not, which styles fall within it? I was curious, since many local longfist styles within Hebei-Shandong provinces often incorporated forms by the name of Yuejia (Yue family).
There is a lot of influence throughout, it becomes difficult over such a long history to identify precisely as it evolves significantly absorbing methods from experience as much as interchange. However over the Northern central plains the styles of Taizu Chang Quan (also known as Hong Quan) and those of Bafanzi Men (noting two styles therein being Bafan Quan and Muzi Quan) have a long history and influence many styles.
Many attributions of martial arts to historical figures are posthumous, rather than directly associated. Thus they appear in many martial arts whether in history or in methods. It is not to purposeful to go too far back in history or folklore for that, rather focus on the measurable history and influences.