Officers Prepare For An Intruder But Are Met With Domestic Situation
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Attitude. Skills. Plan.
That negligent discharge is scary. Both the perp and the officer got lucky that he missed.
Amen
He said he saw the guy pointing something at him so I trust him, he's a cop, why would he lie?
@@Alfred-Neumanyou’re joking right? Just because he’s a cop doesn’t mean he incapable of lying. Lots of people lie, cops included.
@@mttsgrandfather2812
Are you really sure? If we can't trust the police then who can we trust? That doesn't make any sense!
@@Alfred-Neuman
Why are you so anti-cop? Don’t you know they’re infallible? And I’m not being sarcastic, I ALWAYS talks like this.
What was really annoying about this video is that the department put out a press release where they echoed the officer's story that the suspect was pointing something at him and didn't comment on the fact that this was an obvious case of a negligent discharge.
They write the reports and investigate themselves. What could possibly go wrong?
Mistakes happen. Saying they messed up doesn't do anything but stroke your ego. Limited immunity was created because of things like this.
@@wowplayer160 Ah yes, the great cop defender. Must defend cops at all cost for some reason even when they nearly kill you. You think a cop like this would ever go out of their to protect you? Bad policing should never be excused.
Ah, but now everyone in the department knows who and what this guy is. Tough times ahead.
@@wowplayer160 Lmao mistakes? He nearly ended someone life all from simple tripper discipline. You can't neary defend this in any way. And it's crazy to even hear them not call him a " bad guy "
A bit disgraceful that the cop tried to pass off his careless firearms handling as him firing because he thought the perp was pointing something at him. Can you not sue an officer for this? The bullet could've gone anywhere, possibly through the guys head anything.
If you got a good lawyer you can sue for anything buddy. Remember that
Qualified immunity unfortunately has to go for that to be able to happen.
Either negligent discharge or bad cop wanting to (legally) shoot somebody
Also the audacity to ask why he's running after he just shot at him unarmed with his hands up.. yeah I wonder why he ran
@@Quorented Are you a mindreader or just a Defund The Police cop hater?
How in the world could you know that "most cops" use a "crappy excuse" to get away with it and you somehow know that in their hearts most of these "negligent discharge" incidents is just "bad cops who want to shoot somebody"?
A mistake was made but if the officer perceived the dropping of the lighter as a possible attack and only had a fraction of a second to choose whether he would live or not, I don't blame the officer for shooting.
It is by no means a "tough call here". The cop didn't see the suspect pointing a weapon at him. It was a negligent discharge (or worse).
That dude is dangerous. Negligent discharge aside, his failure to have any accountability is scary.
Jocko would tear this guy a new one
Become a cop.
@@Morpheen999 Jocko would investigate and find facts before spouting off on what he would do.
@@kennethcurtis1856 Apologist.
@@kennethcurtis1856I saw the facts with my own two eyes in that badge cam, the officer ripped a round off when the suspect clearly had his hands up. If it was on purpose, that would be even worse.
The cop's immediate reaction to LIE to cover his ass, because he screwed up, is part of why cops get no respect. It's disappointing that neither John nor Mike has the guts to call it what it is.
They both really soft peddled this one. Not their best look.
They are just holding that blue line...
They addressed that pretty pointedly when they spent time talking about how he locked himself into the story with his immediate utterance, how it might get him in trouble with IA later on, and why we should all try not to blurt out an excuse right after an incident.
If this was a citizen that produced a negligent discharge of a firearm he or she would be in big trouble. The lies of this officer and his fellow officers are mind blowing. Qualified immunity is the reason this was overlooked by the department
@@MegaDcmpwhen you only have one story and it's the truth then it's not an excuse and you don't need to worry about changing it
Go look inside indoor police gun ranges, the ceilings and the side walls are full of bullet holes.
The cop tried to play it off like he meant to do it.😂
At least a thousand good outcomes negated by this moment, especially in light of the suspect's statement.
That officer's actions justified not only the suspects fear, but the fears of law abiding citizens who live in marginalized neighborhoods, which North Hollywood traditionally has been.
Everything about the officer's body language and lack of follow through scream AD/ND.
Mistakes do get made by good and even skilled officers.
Glad nobody died but that officer lost all benefit of the doubt and possibility of simple reprimand or retraining when he tried to justify that shot.
Great content as always.
Cheers!
@seanwoodburn2616
Marginalized neighborhoods blah blah blah; that sounds a lot like excuses for bad behavior in certain neighborhoods.
It is pretty simple DO NOT COMMIT CRIMES and you will be a lot more safe! And if you do commit a crime do not run away and/or fight with law enforcement.
By doing unsuspected things like resisting arrest and other stupid stuff so many of these CRIMINALS put themselves and others in a lot more danger.
Where is the legitimate criticism on preventable risks that these CRIMINALS put themselves and others in?
Instead people like yourself and other apologist make general excuses for bad behavior; like it is their neighborhood, environment, their upbringing and so on.
-> All of those can be partly true; but it is still not a good excuse for any adult to commit crimes.
And yes maybe this cop also made a preventable mistake *(I'm not so sure about that right now) and if so that should be dealt with accordingly.
But if the person did not commit any crimes before like breaking in by his S.O. and running away from police; he would (more than likely) not have been in any danger in the first place! Because it is VERY RARE that a law abiding citizens who did nothing wrong get shot by the police by accident!
I do agree completely with you that good and skilled officers can sometimes make mistakes... And I'm also very happy that the suspect was not shot or anyone else for that matter in this case!!!
That cop didn't see anything in his hand. 100% made up excuse for negligent discharge. If the suspect had anything in his hand (vape, phone, knife, gun, bazooka, etc) they would have went into the apartment and secured the "weapon." LAPD would have mag dumped on him if he did actually have a gun.
I’m pretty sure we didn’t watch the same video or you’re blind the mf obviously dropped something after the cop let off a shot
@@saucy_celery2012 Nope. We watched the same video. I didn't say he didn't have anything in his had. What I said was, "That cop didn't see anything in his hand." Go to about 3:20, slow the speed down to 0.25 then watch him draw his gun, watch his finger go straight to the trigger, see the gun go BANG and then watch his face flinch like WTF?!?! LOL! Straight up negligent discharge and the cop tried to play it off.
@vvatc
You can NOT be sure what the officer saw from a imperfect body cam with a lens that heavily distorts a picture especially in low light conditions.
I could not see the suspects right hand from the body cam perspective -> But maybe the officer did see something from his eyes who are at least one feet higher and in totally different position than the body cam usually is on their bullet proof vests. Usually the body camera is on the officers vest on the right or left shoulder and sometimes even lower -> This gives a totally different perspective than what the officer actually views from his eyeballs.
Also the officer was running behind the suspect in a very bright hallway first and the suspect than bounced in a very dark room -> If you have to see the suspect in a very dark room after the bright light it will take a several deciseconds for your eyes to adjust.
Yes, I also noticed that the officer also had a flashlight in his hand next to his gun. -> But it will also take several tenths of a second before he has his flashlight and pistol pointed correctly at the suspect to have a very clear view.
The suspect did have something shiny metallic in his hand that he did let fall on the floor after the shot went of. So it is entirely possible that this policemen by mistake thought this was some kind of weapon or gun.
And because of all these unknown factors I do not like armchair critics, with an imperfect perspective judging a situation with very strong convictions about a situation that they where not even present in.
He's wrong handed! There's the problem right there 😅
Cop immediately put blame on the suspect for his mistake. Makes you not want to shake your head when they say they ran because they were scared
We can definitely categorize this as an ND because of where the gun was pointed when the shot broke.
He needs to be charged for blatantly lying about an obvious negligent discharge...disgraceful smh.
“It looks like he has his hands up.”
“I’m gonna give [this cop] the benefit of the doubt.”
People are calling this unbiased. Ok.
I slowed it down and watched it 5 times. It looks like he had a negligent discharge. He looked surprised that it went off. As soon as he took the pistol out his finger sinks into the trigger guard, and his reactionary flinch looked like one of surprise.
He did a office pop
That was a clear negligent discharge
You should do a video on the Greensboro massacre. The whole shootout was caught on tape. 5 died 12 wounded.
Perfect example of cops shooting first asking questions later
I'm glad nobody was hurt with the misfire, but notice how quick the suspect was to comply LOL
The officer drew not because he needed to shoot in that moment but because he might need his firearm in a hurry. Because of this, he should’ve drawn to a low ready with his finger off the trigger.
The response has to become automatic through practice. I know there’s a lot to be a LEO, but this should be one of the more important aspects.
The thing I appreciate the most about this channel is the balls and strikes.
I somehow knew you guys would do a breakdown of this incident involving the LAPD. I have been waiting for this one.
Cop blaming his discharge by saying I thought you had a weapon 😂
That was just one of them "warning shots" promoted by the POTUS.
I feel bad you guys have to walk a thin line between being yelled at for being 'boot lickers' on one side and for being too hard on the police on the other. However, this was a NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE. I've never heard it called something else by you guys so don't try to soften the blow now with 'accidental discharge' or anything else. NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE. I get you ended up calling it that but I feel you guys were REALLLLY trying to lighten the blow. Officer messed up bad and could have killed someone and ended up like the cop in the apartment complex who was charged with manslaughter. Glad it didn't go that way and I am 100% fan of the channel but wanted to get my two cents out there.
I never read one comment about bootlickers.
Exactly... It's name is negligence for a reason, because MULTIPLE rules of firearm safety must be broken for a negligent discharge. He needs repercussions.
They both really soft peddled this one. Not their best look.
I think he should have said he got scared instead of calling them
The thing that I find most troubling is how effective that air-pop was at stopping the suspect. Whatever he had in mind that night left his mind immediately when that round went off and he was totally compliant after that. Makes me genuinely curious how effective it would be for cops to shoot blanks in the direction of non-compliant people to scare them into submission.
If he “sticks to his guns” and claims he thought he was pointing something at him, then he needs to be criticized for marksmanship as well. Cause if that dude was pointing a gun at him, his wife would have a folded flag. This was total failure of training clear as day. He needs to resign before someone dies unnecessarily.
The victim was the calmest person in this situation.
You’re too easy on this officer. Negligent discharge then lied to cover his ass. This is how involuntary manslaughter happens.
for me, the worst part of the whole encounter isn't so much the negligent discharge of the firearm, it's that the officer immediately lied about the circumstances and then backed up the lie in his written report.
it makes me question his credibility across the board and also immediately dilutes any testimony he may have previously sworn to in court to convict someone or any exaggerated charges he may have brought against others in prior encounters.
Looked like a negligent discharge. He lied to save his ass.
Apartment complexes are tough, I didn't like even doing deliveries in them. I can't imagine this scenario, it's like a life size version of Doom...
I think it is is an instance of using enough force early enough to prevent having to use more force later, definitely a negligent discharge but it gained compliance so it was an effect use of force
Trigger discipline is the key.
That was crazy
He said what he said, because Cops are taught to NEVER admit mistakes.
Dudes hands were up,
Cop: i thought he was pointing something at me.
He needs fired tbh
He dropped the keys in his hand
Thats a felony for us pesky citizens
People are responsible for their own safety
Cop that fires shots off inside a building accidentally: "Why did you run?"
Suspect: "Because I see how you be acting fools."
Touche
More negligent discharges by cops these days. No wonder people are afraid of uniformed people with guns. 😢
I think it’s just a human nature thing to blame an ND on someone else or deflect an ND.
I actually bought my dad his first handgun.
When he first shot it, I went home and showed him how yo clean it and break it down, etc.
Few weeks later I’m back at his house with family and stuff for dinner.
He’s telling everyone how I got him a pistol.
He went to get it to show everyone and I heard “pop”
It was surprisingly quiet to most people in the house, especially bc it was a 45.
I knew what it was and ran to make sure everyone was ok.
He fortunately was ok and as was everyone else at the house.
Old man was standing there looking at it like the gun just talked to him and the first thing he said to me was, “what did you do? You were the last one to handle this when you cleaned it.”
He racked the slide, dropped the mag and pulled the trigger. Fortunately into the floor and no one was hurt.
Was just kind of interesting that his first thought was to blame someone else.
But it’s like watching these videos. You see people go thru fairly predictable phases of thought processes and what not.
Respectfully good job on tapping in to all possible perspectives....but my opinion stands
what would I be charged with if i were caught negligently discharging a weapon inside the city limits in California? The officer should be charged the same. He should be held to a higher standard of weapons safety than the average citizen and should suffer the same consequences for a negligent discharge that a non-sworn citizen would face. No more, No less.
I think it's likely that it was negligent discharge but the fact is we don't really know what the cop saw or perceived.
I’d like to know why the draw with his finger on the trigger - how he came about that. Has he practiced it on his own or put in his mind it would be a good thing to do in case he needs to shoot right away. It’s bizarre, because there’s no way he was taught this by any law enforcement agency and you’d think he’d have muscle memory from repetitive proper technique, where that finger doesn’t go to the trigger.
So the officer who is held to a high standard due to their job description. He must have been charged with public endangerment right?
Nah that was an ND.
That’s wasn’t him pointing something at you, you cleared the Corner and drew his weapon with his finger on the trigger! I call that a negligent discharge.
Deskpop in an apartment? Doing some time right?
So, what did the dude drop?
Mike's audio is always lower during the intro. Can we move his mic closer or turn up the levels on him?
We batch record, so it was low for this handful of intros. We'll have it fixed in the future. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Doesn't pass the "if they were civillians" test
DQ for ND
Police like that are a potential danger to society
What makes an officer bad is how they react to a problem. If they don’t question something because a higher up said so, and they know it’s wrong but still ignore it or carry it out, that is a BAD COP. If cops fuck up and make a mistake, like negligently discharging into an apartment, and try to cover it up? BAD COP. If they cover for other officers that fucked up and know something was wrong. BAD COP.
This video, and apparently department higher ups, is filled with BAD COPS
Officer needs to catch a charge for that negligent discharge. Qualified immunity has GOT to go!
What would the charge be, exactly?
Can't charge reckless endangerment, because drawing and pointing the gun was justified.
An ND resulting from a training scar means there's no criminal intent, so you can't charge aggravated assault.
ND isn't a crime all on its own.
Pucker factor 9000
Don't Call The Police!
Unless you want to die.
Hmmm, that could have been really bad. That's definitely excessive force by definition, firing at an unarmed person with his hands up. Anyone else would be charged with at least illegal discharge of a weapon. I hope this officer gets some sort of reprimand at least.
Maybe the officer had a Sig P320.
That gun is sus for mis-fires.
Body cam! Body Cam! Dash cams are in cars.
6:06 if so he is a terrible shot!
Top three steps for NOT getting shot by law enforcement:
Step One: don't run from police
Step Two: don't duck into rooms
Step Three: don't be standing right inside the door of the dark room that you just ducked into
agreed
but this cop is still an complete idiot, you forgot to point that out
Why is Mike's mic always really low?
It should be "sympathetic squeeze" not "parasympathetic" since the parasympathetic nervous system has nothing to do with motor nerves - and the name "parasympathetic" means literally "against the sympathetic" since the parasympathetic nervous system works in opposition to the sympathetic nervous system (which also has nothing to do with motor nerves), and together they form the autonomic nervous system and control things like heart rate, stomach contractions, releasing certain hormones, generating saliva, opening/closing the pupils of the eyes, etc.
This is a case of a "false etymology". It's called "sympathetic squeeze" because one hand closes "in sympathy" with the other when you only meant to close one of them.
Wow
trigger discipline is necessary to become to cop, unfortunately some cops dont have it
"I know how you fools act" uhhh yeah he just tried to murder you lol
Probably just a negligent discharge but he needs to say that to avoid ramifications
Why were you running? I don't know, maybe because you were going to shoot at me for no reason with my hands...
😂😂😂😂
Oops
😂😂😂😂😂
Do you mean Sympathetic squeeze? Parasympathetic is rest and digest...relax...
Yah, tough work... BUT, Come the F*** on! That is just a lack of training, once again. IMO: That weapon SHOULD have been drawn as soon as the suspect starts running. Running through hallways around blind corners toward someone who could be doing anything or waiting for you..... Stupid. This was such a blatant negligent discharge. Also, I agree, not a bad cop necessarily, but I hope this wakes him up and teaches him a lesson.
Accidentally shot for intentionally fleeing, that could have been a fair deal!
Every cop's code word is I thought I was going to get shot if not guilty cool party time🎉🎉🎉🎉 paid leave pictures
That’s an officer that SHOULD NOT be carrying a gun. LAPD at its best. What a shame….
Fire him.
That make cops look bad
Thanks god noone was Hurt yes He Is a robbery but He dont deserved to get killed he was Not armed
How shooting 4 no reason
The officer wanted to shoot the intruder
“ I thought he was pointing a gun at me”😂 Nice try dude.
Its kinda like "I smell weed," an incantation that can help later on if it goes to court.
It’s not the negligent discharge… it’s the lies that follow from both the Officer and the PD who backed his story.
That's actually what gets us, the public, killed in the long run. Once, they realize they can do just about anything, crime or no crime, gun or no gun, then any chance for good policing is as dead as we'll be. What's the incentive for fairness, or honesty if the lie is true once a cop says it is.
I mean, with that lady cop going to prison for life you'd lie your ass off too...or are you telling me if you had a negligent discharge you'd accept going to prison for life too?
@@allcapsone7809that’s why you’re held to a higher standard. That’s why this brotherhood (gang) of cops does not need to be the ones that are deciding if something is legal or not. Citizen review board. If you pay the band, dance to the music. If you are too untrained to avoid negligent discharges then you are not fit to be a police officer.
@@mrdavman13 everyone is capable of mistakes, you have provided absolutely no counter to my argument other than "um just dont do mistake git gud lul", meaning anyone with a brain is ignoring you and lying their ass off to avoid prison
Negligent discharge is what that was.
That cop needs to be charged. Not only is he dangerous but he’s a liar too. Certainly his morals are at question. If a citizen had done that they would be charged. They need to follow the same laws we do.
if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. but it cant
@@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34 except it’s on video clear as day. You record yourself doing this and let me know how that works out for you.
@@zero_cool817 i agree its a ND. heres the video and there werent any charges. you cant prove his thoughts. because of that theres is a reasonable doubt. i just imagine everyone going the other way and accusing every cop of ND same as saying "i cant breath" to become a victim
@@sdfjhdfgadfjasdrhasfhzc34 you can tell by his reaction to it. He should at least be charged for it and prove his innocence just like any citizen would.
@@zero_cool817 i guess so im just saying how would it be done without the risk of abusing the new rule. cops will just shoot another time to then say "well i shot twice so it was definitely not a ND"
This is the only video on the internet we're a shot is fired and the nearest woman didn't start screaming. Kudos to her for remaining calm
She's an abused woman she probably froze.
I noticed that too😅
He saying “oh sh#%t right after the shot broke, and one of the others asking right away “who was that” clearly shows he didn’t mean for that shot to go off! Doesn’t justify anything, and had someone been injured or killed, would definitely warrant charges! Great coverage as always guys!
Exactly. Also, the fact that the officer fired a single round.
i disagree with that. the "who was that" comment was because a woman spoke and said he doesn't have a gun, it wasn't related to the shooting.
Thank god nobody was hurt, that could’ve ended terribly. Glad this didn’t end like that other LA incident where a little girl caught the stray
The guy running in to possibly get a weapon. Cop was just in self defense mode. Bad guys shoot good cops more than you think.
A good cop owns his mistakes and becomes a better cop. That guy is a department liability.
Don't laugh the lies of the officer off! The ND isn't the problem, the lies are! And the fact that the guy gets charged more because of the lies.
The problem is when they don't own up to what they do and say
The negligent discharge sucks but it happens sometimes. What is bad is the way the officer handled it. He immediately should've yelled to his fellow officers to hold their fire and let them know not to shoot the suspect. But his first thoughts seemed to be to cover his ass and he blamed the suspect for supposedly aiming a gun at him. But even after his fellow officer asked what happened...he chose not to answer. This is a major sign of dishonor right here. I'm glad the guy didn't get shot and I'm glad his gf backed him up that he was unarmed. My personal guess is this officer has a custom trigger thats ahead of his skill set. I know a lot of people that get gun upgrades they don't need but they're not John Wick and they don't do shooting competitions.
He is indeed a bad cop if he tried to say this guy was pointing a weapon when he certainly wasn't. That is a life or death claim to make when you know it is not truthful.
Are you seriously going to blame this dude for YOUR desk pop that's on camera? His hands were in the air
I watched some coverage of this before, definitely a ND, some accountability needs to be taken.