It is kind of telling since he and Tubbo were basically best friends and Wilbur and Tommy were like brothers, but it seems like Tubbo and Wilbur didn't interact much at all.
@@shortcake9046he was, and I doubt he would have kept it a secret if he knew, after all he was only very young and maybe didn’t even notice the signs because of that
@@evcv3014i don’t think it’s strange that they were young when they met, considering their jobs. the uk group of mc youtubers all became good friends, so it’s only natural that will became friends with them too. although the og point stands- the fact that he was older than some of them should be a sign that he needed to act more his age, or atleast more mature than them, considering he was definitely an older role model for them.
I don't think the title was accurate. They didn't know about the situation between Wilbur and Shelby, but they had enough of their own experiences with Wilbur to instantly believe what she said. Some people exist in that zone where you always feel sort of off about them but not enough to feel like you should do anything about it, but then something happens and you're like "okay yup makes sense."
Minx has spoken up about how some people who are defending Shubble didn’t defend her when certain abusive events happened with her, and other unnamed past victims. ConnorEatsPants clearly knows something judging by his response. Who knows, maybe the title is more accurate than we think
“Boys who said them selves that they have witnessed him manipulate them and and their friends. All which were 18.” Does she mean Tommy, Tubbo and Ranboo? Edit 1: Guys, please read chemical’s comment in replies! They make an amazing point
the title of this feels misleading. just saying "wilburs friends knew about this" makes it sound like they were fully aware and just let it happen. that isnt what Shelby is saying.
I feel bad for everyone in this situation, not as much as Wilbur but I hope he gets therapy. I don’t know if maybe Tubbo or Ranboo or Bilzo or Tommy were being manipulated by Wilbur or not, but I do NOT support Wilbur in this, all my love goes out to Shelby
I do think so I remember billzo doesn't like willbur cause he yell him aggressive billzo thought that's how siblings do but he wasn't sure and he was scared the reason why willbur yell at billzo was that billzo was pranking with handcuff in willbur arm and he get piss off
@stellarmelody2784 yeah, and it makes more sense as to why Wil yelled as Wilbur has stated that he doesn't like to be bond to something, like tied and stuck to a thing. So, he ended up stressed out and yelled.
Not a "lying wh---.re" but a really good attention seeker. She's so manipulative, even just in the vocabulary she's using. Purposely putting herself out there as a victim for us all to pity her. That's not okay. #WilburSupportSquad
Yeah, people seem to forget that multiple people shared their own bad experineces with Wilbur. Both Billzo and Tubbo (who seemed close to the group) stated that they were never close and that Wilbur is manipulative. Like, I know Shelby didnt give any proof (physical), but the word of so many of their close friends? It makes it clear that Wilbur isn't so innocent, and once again, none of us know them, so I'm inclined to believe people with first-hand experience over random X users.
Also Wilbur admitted it himself so anyone defending him is just straight up delusional. Like it’s one thing to say Shelby is lying, but how is she lying when the person she is accusing ADMITTED to doing all those things?
@@cl-jp3uvMaybe she abused him dum dum and he didn’t want Shelby to go to his house and abuse him more she had no evidence and she said she bruises up easily and the way she described those bruises there’s no way they just didn’t show and also Shelby accused both of her last exes that aren’t Wilbur
@@nottailsgirl7814 Yeah, I get that, but he's still not 100% innocent since multiple people have confirmed that he was an asshole to them during their friendship. I just don't want people to completely victimise him
Part of me wishes these allegations were false since Wilbur seemed so sweet back when I watched him, but they aren’t. I feel so bad for Shelby and hope she keeps getting the support she needs.
@@arosbastion7052finally! Thank you! I have questions to this also there is some things on Wilbur I actually know and did research on instead of believing media shit okay. Wilbur actually does have mental disorders. I'm not saying which ones because I don't wanna be rude. But he does and it doesn't make an excuse for what he did but I support and Wilbur and this didn't happen like just now. It was when they were together which was awhile ago. so I hope Wilbur is getting the help he needs and her too. But I see change in Wilbur even if others don't and you can hate me for it but that's my opinion on it. But as soon as someone makes a big mistake we judge them for that. And after that we only judge them for their mistakes and sins. God forgives people and Wilbur did apologize and that's a step okay. So I see change and I'm not on either side. I don't believe everything the media says because they also lie so I do research first. I apologize for what she went through but that doesn't mean it's going to charge my mind.
@@ClassicalMusic2002he didn't admit jack shit. He himself said he was shocked by the abuse allagations. He also just said sorry for the biting and was taking from his pov. Your an idiot and Shubble thinks she is the shit
While shes making a good point there is still the things about her actually never having bruises in the pics from when they were dating (she was wearing t-shirts and skirts)
I’m gonna be honest I always got a weird feeling about Wilbur. A few comments he said the theme of his songs he always seemed a bit off (like he’s charming but in the same kind of creepy way ted bundy is charming) Like when he talks about manipulating it always came of a bit more creepy and malicious compared to when someone like techno would talk about manipulation and he was clearly always joking about.
Are you talking specifically about the songs in LoveJoy? Cus I thought his solo songs were intentionally creepy and brushed it off as a running gag joke. As for the songs in LoveJoy, I've always found some of the lyrics a bit odd and comical to an extent but not eerily creepy since the whole band is involved in songwriting too. Also I do find when people find out a person isn't who they really are it's all they really see 😅. Kind of a warped perception looking into every single action thinking everything is a calculative move (not defending Wilbur!). I imagine it would be hard for Wilbur to go back to streaming for a while. Wish him therapy and conditioning his behaviour.
@@paris.dawxnderful yeah I get his songs are meant to be as parody of that kind of behaviour it’s just in retrospective they can seem a bit different now The overall sceptical side of my mind does go to the whole of you truly are a weirdo in that way the perfect cover is to say you pretend to act like that as part of a joke (obviously at that point it’s quite sociopathic, but yeah not saying he was necessarily doing that just saying i could be the case) I’ll hold my my statement to he always rubbed me a bit weird and to me always seemed charming in the same way Ted Bundy was described as being charming, not someone I would want to be locked in a room with but as said that’s just me I also think if he does return to the platform it will be awhile and potential under a new name and online personality like we have seen others do before
@@blistow3519 ohh ok i gotchu. Now seeing it I get how sociopathic/psychopathic (bruh) it is to see that a character that was unrelated to Wilbur's persona connected to being his true self. Honestly it could be true since he hid it so well from his audience and his friends that a lot of people couldn't deduct how manipulative he was until it was too late (shubble's stream). That being said I'll respect your opinion too, because for me when I first found his channel from the DreamSMP and saw their ages, realising how young everyone was (literally 16-19 at the time while wilbur being 25) it was crazy to me how close Tommy and Wilbur were despite knowing each other online for under a year. It was highly alarming how Wilbur got close to so many impressionable young teens/adults with Wilbur being much older than the crew (the age isn't the problem it's the maturity gap). But I guess how time flew by and Wilbur being so "brotherly" to Tommy, I thought he was trustworthy or whatever impression I had on him and well- nevermind. Betrayed and broke my world. Anyway, I wouldn't wanna be in a room with someone who has Ted Bundy vibes either. Can't trust anybody but yourself.
This sucks at most cuz you know Phil and Tommy are gonna soon make a response and it’s also probably gonna be sad considering they were like a family, Tbh this year has been shit.
She is the victim and there are many others who also have their own experiences. No one is entitled to her story or anyone else's. Its theirs to tell. Wilbur alone made these choices and ultimately knew better in spite of knowing. Many of his friends he met online were children when they first interacted. Not saying he had necessarily had ill intentions towards them but its important to note they lack in experience and may not have truly understood what was happening. Now that isnt an excuse for ignoring abuse but its not always obvious and when you are young you are still figuring shit out. All and all there is a reason why they are supporting her over him given their current knowledge. Shelby needs support and love during this time and for anyone else who gains the courage to speak up, create a safe environment for them to do so.
honestly the way that wilburs friends dropped him in a second after shelby dropped this just shows how guilty he is. Even when Caiti was talking abt george they never did that. they literally said that they know georges a good person and didnt have a mindset like that.
I think it should be pretty obvious they knew there was stuff wrong before because It did not take long for them to go ahead and be on shubble’s side, it’s pretty god damn obvious that there were reasons for that even if it sucks
Guys why are u all saying tommy was just used as a punching bag for wilbur and nothing more? isnt that how most brothers act? also he did buy cotton candy for tommy...
There was always something a little off about Wilbur but I just assumed it was the differences in cultural context for me that gave that impression. I’m glad she’s free, and I hope he seeks therapy to help him change his ways
She's saying that those people defended her because they've experienced their own stuff with Wilbur and what they experienced and what she experienced must've lined up enough for it to make sense he would do that. They didn't necessarily know about the abuse but could feel something was off. In cases of abuse, those not being abused very rarely know an abuse is taking place as the abuser manipulates the situation so well and even if they suspect something they can't do anything unless the victim speaks out OR they see it happen. (It's worth mentioning tho the people she's talking about were freshly 18 and the abuser is in his mid to late 20s, not only would it be difficult for them to pick up on the signs but even if they did there's an intimidation factor there) And those being abused might not even realise they're being abused until years later because that's the nature of abuse. It's not all physical, alot is emotional. Btw this comment isn't to argue or anything just wanted to share some insight that anyone can read if they're confused as to why they didn't say anything :)
No he did not Sh3lby abused him if you look Sh3lby frequently wore bikinis and you see no bruises on her but on Willburs streams you can see slap and punch marks on his face and this was when willbur and Sh3lby were still together and Sh3lby has blamed her past 3 boyfriends for abuse just for internet clout btw next time you should do your research about these thing before you comment I hope you read more about this topic and learn the truth about the abuse
Someone’s account was that Wilbur’s friend had known about his habits and warned them meaning at least a good amount of his friends are aware (Plus he bites his friends too) it’s very gross
sure girly, why didn't you take him to court 💀, have fun getting some more ppl to believe you, your could've got him to court, you also blamed your past exes for the same thing, omg.
You know what to be honest I watch dream SMP since I was a teen I hope my friends are well to see this happen likely we did not see willbur like that blindly
I think this is saying it is non of our business from that point forward and that it’s not in our right to speculate, connect dots or theorise about behind the scenes or what not. We know what we’ve been told and that is it. Done.
Here you go shubble , dated a famous guy , randomly popping a video saying he abused you and made him lose 2 million people and made his friends support you , but I don't see any abuse marks on you shubble , you're still uploading and not caring about anything. Shubble I'm not hating on you but you have to give us evidence
Look ive been in this type of situation with a ex friend who tried gross stuff with me forced me ect. Just because people know/see don’t mean they’re aware thats its bad. If you don’t ask they’re unlikely to step in. But as soon as i told them that i didn’t like what they were trying and i don’t want it or anything like that. Straight away they took my side cuz they witnessed it. Only 1/10 of us didn’t and thats because they were the closest to him…
Why everyone is acting like he had severe age difference with his friends? He was twenty something at the time and most people he talked to were either twenty/twenty one or two/three years younger. This doesn't make it any less messed up, but it's just so weird for me that but why is everyone acting like he was super old and aiming for minors when he actually talked to people more or less his age?
Bro what? They do objectively have a significant age gap? A lot of people that interacted with Wilbur were below 18 when they met him. Hell, Tubbo /just/ turned 20 and same for Ranboo (and Tommy is the youngest of those three and was the closest to Wilbur). Many were not 20 a handful of years ago. I think older people can be friends with younger ones online, especially in a professional space like streaming (Philza is still friends with all of these ccs for example), but there was 100% an age gap present. And the younger you are, the more an age gap will be significant. Gonna be so for real and say the mentality of me at 16 is NOTHING like me at 20 fully out of high school and handling myself.
Tommy was 16 when he met wilbur at 23, even as a senior in high school I can't fathom seeing a freshman as my equal. There is such a huge maturity difference, they're so impressionable. I feel like that's important to know.
Tommy was 16 when he met Wilbur, Wilbur was 25, I think tubbo and ranboo were too but I'm not sure if they knew him too much. Niki had just turned 18 when she met Wilbur I think, maybe a bit younger. He was 23 or 25 when he met Niki I'm not sure but that's what they mean
@@soundwave7502have you actually watched any videos of them interacting? Wilbur did NOT see Tommy as an equal, he used him as a punching bag and he was pretty open about it.
Those same boys have their own controversies, and have been known to lie on each other. I’m not saying she’s lying, but I reserve the right to not condemn Wilbur until further evidence is presented.
,,, hey /genq have you seen the man's response? And how he's been handling everything since this came out? Or even, like, any clips of them together before this all came out? Even if she was exaderating he posted a response that either was created by AI or might as well have been and there's clips of her talking about the biting stuff from months ago. Not to mention how weird his other reactions have been
I personally don’t think it was implying Phil knew about it, but about her friends (Smajor, Lexi Marie, Aimsey) and his friends (Tommy, Billzo, AverageHarry, Freddie Badlinu). Rue (Tommys roommate) also said “I am a direct victim of him and his disgusting behaviours” and liked a tweet saying that when Billzo and Freddie tweeted about them manipulating one of their friends they were talking about Tommy. Basically, he is a serial abuser at this point, Niki, Zoe, Rue AND Shubble.
I believe Shelby since Wilbur admitted about how he acted and his attitude at the time but I really wish there was something more concrete, not expecting actual photos or videos of the abuse but if he bit her badly surely it’s would be visible and she could’ve taken photos. Not saying she’s lying just wish this was a clearer cut situation
Nihachu also said she was bit until she was bruised, way before this came out. Kinda too much of a coincidence don't you think? this is probably his kink
@@seybro6298 I don't know if he bit her there too, but she said in her initial stream that he bit her in the arms and legs and that he even showed these marks to their friends. But she also said that she didn't think that this was abuse until much later and that she was embarrassed when he bragged about it. So maybe she just didn't take any photos since from her standpoint it didn't seem necessary.
That’s fair too, I was referring to when she said she used the code word he gave her that took away consent but he didn’t stop and bit her hard. But once again I still could be wrong
You are sharing adult material with young children who were fans. Seriously 😮 in the UK an adult is 18 - have you contacted the police? Or is this a new fashion? The British police never advise anyone making complaints to go public before a trial. As a social media influencer have you considered the adult situations you've put children in?
Are u sure about that.. don't get too excited for what have you done to wilbur cause he ain't nothing like that if will is bite you be honest don't be lie on vids
I hate what Wilbur did but i can't stop watching him listening to his music as he just brings me comfort but i see him differently now but he still brings me comfort im so mad about what he did but i can't stop watching his content same with music but i feel absolutely horrible about what Shelby went through
hey your feelings are valid and you shouldn't feel bad about this. detaching the artist from the art is very common (for example michael jackson), so i would recommend pirating all of his content so you won't support him any more, but still have access to think that brings you comfort :) hope it helps!
I hate this so much cuz honestly Wilbur was my favorite streamer and I don’t wanna believe he did this but also if this is true I don’t wanna seem like I support this stuff
People are still supporting Wilbur even though he’s an abuser and they are saying Shelby was the abuser, I guess to them because he apparently had bruises when they were dating means he was being abused even though there are MANY different reasons to have bruises on yourself and not just because you’ve been abused I will support Shelby and try to ignore all the Wilbur supporters yelling at me for saying he’s in the wrong. People have forgotten that this is not about Wilbur it’s about Shelby and the abuse she went through. I will support her until proven otherwise but random people on the internet with not that much proof of it won’t make me believe she’s the abuser
bruh her cousin literally heard her shout, cuss, and slap wilbur! she didnt go stop her cuz she got very scared. Wilbur on the other hand, did not cuss, shout, or slap shubble back!
Do people realize that there is no bring neutral on this? You're either supporting the victim or the abuser. And silence is supporting the abuser. Edit: I hear your points, but I stand by my case. Being silent IS choosing a side, the wrong one Edit again: I'm rolling on the floor at how ignorant you all are. Or just cruel. Whichever you prefer 🤷♀️
A-Are people under the assumption that interaction just happen online for content creator? They're real people with real feels and real lives outside of being youtubers. Content creation can lead to people losing alot of privacy about there lives but by goodness let them have a little bit of time to themselves.
So many people are so blind like how parasocial do you have to be to assume you know more than the people that actually know what’s happening there are so many reasons as to why someone wouldn’t tell you, a random stranger on the internet, the intimate details of the abuse they’ve or your friend has gone through
@@RoseisasillysimpI know you’re like 12 but it’s really insensitive to say someone wants clout simply because they won’t spend hundreds of dollars trying to get an international court case and then even more money trying to fight a multimillionaire who not only can get better lawyers cause he’s rich like everyone knows the judicial system favors rich people
Also smells of the person (accused/abuser) being manipulative!! I do want to say that we will never get the full story or know what truly happened for the sake of privacy. Because of that, we will probably never get confirmed/underlying proof and therefore have to either stay neutral or hope the said victim isn’t lying.
i agree that in this situation, shelby is 100% a victim, but we do need to be cautious; don't forget the kwite situation. we shouldn't instantly blindly trust someone making claims, not until the other party makes a statement or if there is irrefutable proof. in this case, wilbur's statement basically confirmed his guilt, but in other cases it might be the opposite.
Dude really? Sometimes people do lie? Are you a child? I do believe shelby is telling the truth but we should never just assume without evidence. Remember that that being falsly accused is traumatic as well. Ive had a youtuber I used to watch get cancelled for false accusations that were proven false try to game end himself. His girlfriend happened to be nearby and rushed him to the ER. Luckily he survived, but this is exactly why you should never blindly believe people who declare themselves victims.
@@mystraunt2705 You're completely right, another RUclipsr also recently committed su!c!de because they were falsely accused of the same things, but unfortunately did not get help in time. Only afterward were the accusations proven false and nobody really seemed to care that he had died because of someone lying
ok, then why were they all still doing videos with wilbur, why was lovejoy still a thing, why did they all only decided to cut him off now if they knew before????
probably lots of lying and manipulation and maybe a weird ground of respect for wilbur. tommys said himself that he saw wilbur as a brotherly figure, hed probably listen to him and theyd probably fall for his lies and work-arounds in stories. they probably didnt wanna make a huge public outburst about it and they probably didnt exactly know what shelby was going through considering wilbur would lie, gaslight and manipulate wilbur. sometimes people act weird or yucky in a way or say stupid shit and maybe you dont cut ties with them, which is maybe why they still made videos collabing with him. jack even said although hes in support of shelby, hed never seen wilbur act violent or manipulative himself (but he does not mean it in a way that he doesnt believe shelby) so some of the others mightve not exactly have known. lovejoys discord got locked/archived and their subreddit was deleted, theyve refused to say anything which isnt surprising, because everytime someone calls a tour manager or member out they just never speak on it. wilbur was good at lying to people and building this persona where hes the good guy, hes done it to his fans as well i dont think she meant that they knew he was hurting shubble, i think she meant that they knew he had violent outbursts and (according to freddie, niki & billzo) had tried to manipulate, gaslight or straight up lie to them on multiple occassions. i think theyre finally dropping him now that they have a solid reason too because its obviously disgusting what wilbur did, and some of them might be finally connecting the dots like "oh shit xyz happened and this was written off as a joke, this isnt normal or okay" etc etc sorry for the rant tldr ; hes good at lying and gaslighting and putting on a good guy mask to look good and hide his true self
when people are good at manipulating they really really are. I was manipulated and groomed by someone, and even knowing that it was weird, the guy doing it was too good at what he was doing that it made me feel like I was wrong for thinking that way. I can imagine Wilbur was very good at manipulating. especially since he met Tommy and ranboo and all that when they were teenagers.
Many abuse victims don't find justice in a legal court. Unfortunately. And even the process of going to a court can be traumatic itself, it's the reason why in many abuse cases there is no legal action taken by the victim
@@obsessed360 and yet so many times people can be falsely accused of abuse in court with the same evidence shelby used and get sentences of 15+ years. it happens. edit: and sure, going to court can be traumatic, but is just suffering the abuse in silence for 10 months not just as if not more traumatic?
@@meh_81 yeah the justice system is f*cked on both sides but this is not ab that. (Also in most cases where that happens is bc the person accused is black so that's another issue entirely and I think the statistics for unreported domestic abuse generally is at like 80% so Shelbys reaction is not new this a societal issue) What's more traumatic is not objective it depends on the person. Also it would be kinda hard to have a court case considering that they live in different continents
@@obsessed360 not in all cases is it relating to race. it's happened in my family and they were all the same race. with shelby's situation, if she has so many others standing at her side with similar enough stories of their own, a judge is highly likely to side with them. all taking things to twitch has done is divided a fandom and led to people spreading hate. the case being difficult doesn't matter. many cases are difficult and take years but they get done.
@@meh_81 bro I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm also not saying that Shelby would or wouldn't find justice in a legal court. I'm saying that it's statistically likely she won't and for such a difficult process the small chance of justice could simply not be worth it. She didn't come forward to "cause drama in a fandom" as if that's what more important, she did it to share her story and to warn other people ab his behaviors. The divided fandom can stfu, it's not important in this
the thing is they had to have known. there’s no way they didn’t. they knew he did it to niki. even minx came out about shit wilbur had done to make her uncomfortable. and they were always on wilbur’s side. now they finally believe shelby which is amazing cuz she deserves all the support. but yeah they definitely knew.
As someone who is a victim myself and also very skilled at seeing straight through people’s bs. Wilbur genuinely made me uncomfortable every time I saw his face and I could not watch the content Nikki made with him because I was sad for her because I had a feeling
It's quite clear you've never had someone abuse you. Its painful to live everyday hearing your friends and everyone on the internet praise your abuser without knowing what they have done to you.
@@NullIsntSane That's rich, My parents are the worst people I know, But I wouldn't wish suffering on them. If I knew they got better, that is all I need to know and I can take a breath and try to move on. Hearing them be Praised isn't bad, they deserve their praise, and also my hatred. I've matured enough to see that. My friends know, they support me because they know, I feel their support. The internet though? That's all on her lmao, she chose this career, she chose to have eyes on her, if it hurts her, frankly that's her fault. Atleast she has friends to turn to.
Feel free to drag me for a dogshit opinion but heres my thoughts I say giving her full emotional support is what we should all do, but after the false dream allegations, i think we should hold off on burning wilbur at the stake until people who were actually involved give us more to work with. Its mostly heresay right now from what ive gathered and even if wilburs odd apology isnt helping his case i really think its best to hold back a bit.
Um, a lot of people have come forward about what he did to them. Not to mention, she didn't even mention Wilbur by name when she came forward about the abuse. She said "her ex." She never called Wilbur out. People just put two and two together, and then Wilbur posted his "apology," confirming it was him who she was talking about. There's literally no way she's lying about this when she never name-dropped anyone initially. And if you look back on old videos, it's kinda crazy that the fandom didn't pick up on it sooner. Not just his behavior toward Shubble but toward a lot of the others as well. I mean, hell, he admitted to throwing an apple full force at Techno despite knowing about his cancer in one of his streams. However, his wording and the way he spoke during his retelling of the event had it coming off as a joke and playful, but that's not a joke. He even said Techno deserved it for making fun of his throwing skills. And for proof: www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLRPDw9w/ This clip is cut down to a minute, so it's not the full retelling, but if you look up "Wilbur throwing apple at Techno" on YT (instead of TikTok) I'm sure you'll get the full clip.
@@vociferouschaos whatever you say im not dismissing you i simply havent seen evidence myself so i personally am staying neutral, again not picking wilbur's side as i am glad everyone is choosing to support shubble, i just grow extremely tired of the he-said she-said that goes on when people bring up serious stuff like this sometimes
@@vociferouschaosShelby and technodad said (well I found claims technodad said it haven’t found it yet) it was actually a lemon he throw at techno, and I don’t think it was an accident I think he done it on purpose to show who is the “Alpha male” to techno.
@@vociferouschaos I already had a bad feeling about Wilbur from the beginning and it got worse since the lemon throwing. Glad I have only watched him with my little sister on a small handful of times. Now to think many of his fans especially the younger ones will probably pull a Wilbur.
I don’t want to seem like I’m against Shelby (I really hope she gets better) but if Tommy or Tubbo or Phil or Ranboo or anyone else that was their friend like that and they knew what was happening, Wouldn’t they have said something or done something? I feel like they would have shown some kind of sign or acted differently around Wilbur and her before Wilbur got exposed? Again, not trying to hate just confused🤨
I'm surprised that this whole situation just appeared on the Internet instead of going to court right away. Why create publicity now and create a new wave of accusations? If everything is so serious, why are people inactive? What is the meaning of the words? 😕There are always a lot of rumors surrounding popular people, but which ones should you believe? It will be like the situation with Dream. Just a few weeks of noise, and then everything will go back to how it was before.
@@nihiko6557 I do personally believe things will not go back to the ways things were before, Wilbur's audience has probably lost all hope by now. Dream has always been a widely hated content creator (for whatever reason or another) which is probably one of the reasons everyone believed the gr00ming accusations while they were going on, but to me it felt kind of like a "oh more drama surrounding that guy, of course" kinda deal. People seemed like they were expecting it kind of. Wilbur's accusations were completely unexpected, no matter what anyone says, you were not "waiting for this to happen". People loved Wilbur, and he admitted to biting her (he did not admit to abuse, just to biting her, which he seems to think or pretend was playful) its different from the Dream stuff
No. They didnt know, wilburs friends I mean.. like, Wilbur bit her arm informant of his friends which she mentioned in her VOD, but she also said she lied about it being just fine though it wasnt, so they probably thought everything was going completely fine. And since they were inexperienced they likely didnt know, Wilbur bited Her on her arms and legs, I'm not sure if it went any further, however. Why do we need proof anyway when Wilbur admitted to it? He did do it, that's all we need to know. She probably at the time, times didnt know about this being abuse, so she didnt take any pictures of her being covered in bruises. Support shubble.
In this case I don't think that wilbur wouldve made it too obvious around people he was close to, Shelby in the video is talking about those people's personal experiences with him being manipulative and them putting the pieces together. Minx in another clip did say some of their mutuals (unamed, but they generally have alot of mutals) were aware of some of the things that were going on with wilbur and some of the girls including minx, but did not believe them or do anything. And now they're supporting Shelby because that's what everyone is doing.
‼️‼️HELLO PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU CAN‼️‼️ Shubble’s cousin came forward and said that when she first met Wil that he was a very kind person but later in the day (they said that they were staying at Shubble’s for the day) that Wilbur and Shelby were arguing and Shelby had yelled “F*** YOU” to Wil and then they heard a slap nous come from the same room, later on they saw Wil had a bright red handprint on his cheek like he had beef slapped they also stated they never saw Shelby having bruises either and she would always wear stuff like short sleeve and skirts and dresses they also had gone to the beach with her and again no bruises or marks that’s their side of the story tho
1st i dont have to support you based off your word alone. Thank you. You also are a manipulator Shelby. Not a wilbur fan. But definitely not one of yours ma'am. When you tell kids they can't watch you because their parents voted for someone you don't like so they will vote with you. Kinda manipulation. When you tell kids who they have to vote for or they can't watch you. Is manipulation. That being said. His friends knew, yours knew, and did nothing. Says a lot about your friends. :)
I trust shubble as viewer from time I support as her character from times I watch her content and believe her genuine and character. Meanwhile I heavily distaste on Caiti I am sorry she has little character and low good choices made that shows how terrible and pure manipulative.
Ok so hear me out… on one of my friends community posts stated they are studying in psychology and they said the watched the video and by they way Shelby acted they where able to tell she isn’t telling the full truth/exaggerating it. Kinda like the Johnny Depp (idk how to spell his name) and Amber Heard drama/trial nobody knew the full truth until the trial. (Plus I’m not going to say abuse is fine no it’s less then fine it’s terrible but I’m not going to stop listening to his music and watching his old videos because you put on a different version of yourself on the internet as like your “internet person”.) Therefore proving the point no one’s truly knows the full story ever. Taking this and thinking about it I choice to not pick or involve myself in this. Thank you for you time and i hope i could make you think about something today. Have a good day night or afternoon
I simply choose to support a possible victim but allow Wilbur to grow from this. Just because someone tells you abused someone/there's a story a story that you are one once doesn't mean (after therapy), you will abuse everyone else. Ik he was pretty old (20 something or idk, late 20's) but people are always growing. If he PROVES, he somehow grows and actually has or is going to therapy. I think people should allow him to exist normally and even, maybe... Have a platform. But hey, what do I know?
I still can't believe his friends dropped him that quickly without hearing his side or trying to help him get out of this issue and it's starting to get annoying every short where wilbur is doing behaviour aggressivel witch people thought was funny but now every short I see there's always a comment like this aged badly or something stupid like that
@JadeHawkins-yp4vp I get really annoyed about those "aged badly" comments too lmao. But also I don't think his friends dropped him all of the sudden, it was most likely the final straw after he pushed them to far. Either way, it their choice not ours
I think this explains why tubbo never got close to Wilbur, he probably knew there was something off about him
Yeah, some people have really good gut instincts.
@@Jay_is_takenyess I remember willbur breaking ranboo house which we thought it's fine cause friends but there must be more to it that we don't know
It is kind of telling since he and Tubbo were basically best friends and Wilbur and Tommy were like brothers, but it seems like Tubbo and Wilbur didn't interact much at all.
Tubbo is so much wiser than he looks
@@stellarmelody2784Do you have a link to this? wilbur breaking ranboos house
I think she’s saying he was almost thirty so him manipulating barely adult people is just another huge problem
Yeah. It's extremely strange that so many of his friends were minors/freshly turned adults when he met them
They said at the time, which could have been a couple years ago at this point, but even then that’s still a major age gap when it comes to maturity
@@evcv3014well most of them were either friends or mostly very popular before they were even 18, I think tommy was only 16 when he joined the dsmp
@@shortcake9046he was, and I doubt he would have kept it a secret if he knew, after all he was only very young and maybe didn’t even notice the signs because of that
@@evcv3014i don’t think it’s strange that they were young when they met, considering their jobs. the uk group of mc youtubers all became good friends, so it’s only natural that will became friends with them too. although the og point stands- the fact that he was older than some of them should be a sign that he needed to act more his age, or atleast more mature than them, considering he was definitely an older role model for them.
I don't think the title was accurate. They didn't know about the situation between Wilbur and Shelby, but they had enough of their own experiences with Wilbur to instantly believe what she said. Some people exist in that zone where you always feel sort of off about them but not enough to feel like you should do anything about it, but then something happens and you're like "okay yup makes sense."
Minx has spoken up about how some people who are defending Shubble didn’t defend her when certain abusive events happened with her, and other unnamed past victims. ConnorEatsPants clearly knows something judging by his response. Who knows, maybe the title is more accurate than we think
@@ShahadA10What did Connor say?
They called her a WHAT?!?
I’m going to throw hands.
Im so sorry you went through this Shelby.
I’ll come with-
I'm coming with 🥰
I thought she was giving an example… did people really say that to her?! 😡
Ill bring the weapons 🥰
fuck wilbur, honestly. wilburs trash and so is his music
“Boys who said them selves that they have witnessed him manipulate them and and their friends. All which were 18.” Does she mean Tommy, Tubbo and Ranboo?
Edit 1: Guys, please read chemical’s comment in replies! They make an amazing point
Billzo too
Most likely
that's exactly what they mean
It was Billzo and Freddie (Badlinu) who said they witnessed him manipulating their friends.
Or maybe people not in the dsmp ,tubby and Wilbur wasn’t as close tubbi and Tommy,maybe they didn’t know , Wilburn band would probably know
honestly shouldn't be surprising seeing how he surrounded himself with impressionable minors
RIGHT? Nobody talks about this it’s really weird…
yeah is really weird that alot of them are under 20 , no adult should be friend with a teen minor or not is just wrong
Philza is a grown ass man why is it okay for him to hang out with children @imatinyfaire617
@@senajabeen1076I mean he isn't manipulating them or anything like a certain someone.
@@senajabeen1076I think he’s more like a father figure
the title of this feels misleading. just saying "wilburs friends knew about this" makes it sound like they were fully aware and just let it happen. that isnt what Shelby is saying.
This
I feel bad for everyone in this situation, not as much as Wilbur but I hope he gets therapy. I don’t know if maybe Tubbo or Ranboo or Bilzo or Tommy were being manipulated by Wilbur or not, but I do NOT support Wilbur in this, all my love goes out to Shelby
I do think so I remember billzo doesn't like willbur cause he yell him aggressive billzo thought that's how siblings do but he wasn't sure and he was scared the reason why willbur yell at billzo was that billzo was pranking with handcuff in willbur arm and he get piss off
@stellarmelody2784 yeah, and it makes more sense as to why Wil yelled as Wilbur has stated that he doesn't like to be bond to something, like tied and stuck to a thing. So, he ended up stressed out and yelled.
@@Ranc1d_vengance oh when did he mention that?
Well, it's clear that the only person holding this group together was Techno may his good soul rest in power 😔
He would be beyond disappointed
@@gayjesus999 exactly, also, interesting name choice
I loved the part in which she gave proof
Not a "lying wh---.re" but a really good attention seeker. She's so manipulative, even just in the vocabulary she's using. Purposely putting herself out there as a victim for us all to pity her. That's not okay.
#WilburSupportSquad
Yeah, people seem to forget that multiple people shared their own bad experineces with Wilbur. Both Billzo and Tubbo (who seemed close to the group) stated that they were never close and that Wilbur is manipulative. Like, I know Shelby didnt give any proof (physical), but the word of so many of their close friends? It makes it clear that Wilbur isn't so innocent, and once again, none of us know them, so I'm inclined to believe people with first-hand experience over random X users.
Also Wilbur admitted it himself so anyone defending him is just straight up delusional. Like it’s one thing to say Shelby is lying, but how is she lying when the person she is accusing ADMITTED to doing all those things?
@@cl-jp3uvMaybe she abused him dum dum and he didn’t want Shelby to go to his house and abuse him more she had no evidence and she said she bruises up easily and the way she described those bruises there’s no way they just didn’t show and also Shelby accused both of her last exes that aren’t Wilbur
Wilbur had slap marks, that's what people said , shubble might had fights with wilbur but wilbur isn't a actual abuser
@@nottailsgirl7814 Yeah, I get that, but he's still not 100% innocent since multiple people have confirmed that he was an asshole to them during their friendship. I just don't want people to completely victimise him
I know exactly who she’s calling out
who is she calling out?
Who?
Who?
This scumbag called Luhrix
This guy called Luhrix he’s called Shelby multiple derogatory terms when covering this situation, appearing to even side with Wilbur at times
Part of me wishes these allegations were false since Wilbur seemed so sweet back when I watched him, but they aren’t. I feel so bad for Shelby and hope she keeps getting the support she needs.
you literally can not know if they are false or not because there is no evidence from either side
@@arosbastion7052finally! Thank you! I have questions to this also there is some things on Wilbur I actually know and did research on instead of believing media shit okay. Wilbur actually does have mental disorders. I'm not saying which ones because I don't wanna be rude. But he does and it doesn't make an excuse for what he did but I support and Wilbur and this didn't happen like just now. It was when they were together which was awhile ago. so I hope Wilbur is getting the help he needs and her too. But I see change in Wilbur even if others don't and you can hate me for it but that's my opinion on it. But as soon as someone makes a big mistake we judge them for that. And after that we only judge them for their mistakes and sins. God forgives people and Wilbur did apologize and that's a step okay. So I see change and I'm not on either side. I don't believe everything the media says because they also lie so I do research first. I apologize for what she went through but that doesn't mean it's going to charge my mind.
@@arosbastion7052 Wilbur admitted to the behavior though so it's not false.
@@ClassicalMusic2002he didn't admit jack shit. He himself said he was shocked by the abuse allagations. He also just said sorry for the biting and was taking from his pov. Your an idiot and Shubble thinks she is the shit
@@arosbastion7052i think Wilbur's side has alot of proof tho
While shes making a good point there is still the things about her actually never having bruises in the pics from when they were dating (she was wearing t-shirts and skirts)
The fact is that shubble never said Wilburs , he himself went out and proclaimed himself to be the assholen
Well people did figure out it was him before he did that but still
dont be stupid now ,...
I’m gonna be honest I always got a weird feeling about Wilbur. A few comments he said the theme of his songs he always seemed a bit off (like he’s charming but in the same kind of creepy way ted bundy is charming)
Like when he talks about manipulating it always came of a bit more creepy and malicious compared to when someone like techno would talk about manipulation and he was clearly always joking about.
I agree, like an off-putting and strange vibe. I could never put my finger on it before
Are you talking specifically about the songs in LoveJoy? Cus I thought his solo songs were intentionally creepy and brushed it off as a running gag joke. As for the songs in LoveJoy, I've always found some of the lyrics a bit odd and comical to an extent but not eerily creepy since the whole band is involved in songwriting too.
Also I do find when people find out a person isn't who they really are it's all they really see 😅. Kind of a warped perception looking into every single action thinking everything is a calculative move (not defending Wilbur!). I imagine it would be hard for Wilbur to go back to streaming for a while. Wish him therapy and conditioning his behaviour.
@@paris.dawxnderful yeah I get his songs are meant to be as parody of that kind of behaviour it’s just in retrospective they can seem a bit different now
The overall sceptical side of my mind does go to the whole of you truly are a weirdo in that way the perfect cover is to say you pretend to act like that as part of a joke (obviously at that point it’s quite sociopathic, but yeah not saying he was necessarily doing that just saying i could be the case)
I’ll hold my my statement to he always rubbed me a bit weird and to me always seemed charming in the same way Ted Bundy was described as being charming, not someone I would want to be locked in a room with but as said that’s just me
I also think if he does return to the platform it will be awhile and potential under a new name and online personality like we have seen others do before
@@blistow3519 ohh ok i gotchu. Now seeing it I get how sociopathic/psychopathic (bruh) it is to see that a character that was unrelated to Wilbur's persona connected to being his true self. Honestly it could be true since he hid it so well from his audience and his friends that a lot of people couldn't deduct how manipulative he was until it was too late (shubble's stream).
That being said I'll respect your opinion too, because for me when I first found his channel from the DreamSMP and saw their ages, realising how young everyone was (literally 16-19 at the time while wilbur being 25) it was crazy to me how close Tommy and Wilbur were despite knowing each other online for under a year. It was highly alarming how Wilbur got close to so many impressionable young teens/adults with Wilbur being much older than the crew (the age isn't the problem it's the maturity gap). But I guess how time flew by and Wilbur being so "brotherly" to Tommy, I thought he was trustworthy or whatever impression I had on him and well- nevermind. Betrayed and broke my world. Anyway, I wouldn't wanna be in a room with someone who has Ted Bundy vibes either.
Can't trust anybody but yourself.
"I abvse everyone I ever meet"
He literally told us
This sucks at most cuz you know Phil and Tommy are gonna soon make a response and it’s also probably gonna be sad considering they were like a family, Tbh this year has been shit.
Phil made a post on his discord about it
She is the victim and there are many others who also have their own experiences. No one is entitled to her story or anyone else's. Its theirs to tell. Wilbur alone made these choices and ultimately knew better in spite of knowing. Many of his friends he met online were children when they first interacted. Not saying he had necessarily had ill intentions towards them but its important to note they lack in experience and may not have truly understood what was happening. Now that isnt an excuse for ignoring abuse but its not always obvious and when you are young you are still figuring shit out.
All and all there is a reason why they are supporting her over him given their current knowledge. Shelby needs support and love during this time and for anyone else who gains the courage to speak up, create a safe environment for them to do so.
honestly the way that wilburs friends dropped him in a second after shelby dropped this just shows how guilty he is.
Even when Caiti was talking abt george they never did that. they literally said that they know georges a good person and didnt have a mindset like that.
I think it should be pretty obvious they knew there was stuff wrong before because It did not take long for them to go ahead and be on shubble’s side, it’s pretty god damn obvious that there were reasons for that even if it sucks
Guys why are u all saying tommy was just used as a punching bag for wilbur and nothing more? isnt that how most brothers act? also he did buy cotton candy for tommy...
There was always something a little off about Wilbur but I just assumed it was the differences in cultural context for me that gave that impression. I’m glad she’s free, and I hope he seeks therapy to help him change his ways
Internet clout farmer right here
ikr 😂
If those friends actually knew, then they would have done something
She's saying that those people defended her because they've experienced their own stuff with Wilbur and what they experienced and what she experienced must've lined up enough for it to make sense he would do that. They didn't necessarily know about the abuse but could feel something was off.
In cases of abuse, those not being abused very rarely know an abuse is taking place as the abuser manipulates the situation so well and even if they suspect something they can't do anything unless the victim speaks out OR they see it happen. (It's worth mentioning tho the people she's talking about were freshly 18 and the abuser is in his mid to late 20s, not only would it be difficult for them to pick up on the signs but even if they did there's an intimidation factor there)
And those being abused might not even realise they're being abused until years later because that's the nature of abuse. It's not all physical, alot is emotional.
Btw this comment isn't to argue or anything just wanted to share some insight that anyone can read if they're confused as to why they didn't say anything :)
No he did not Sh3lby abused him if you look Sh3lby frequently wore bikinis and you see no bruises on her but on Willburs streams you can see slap and punch marks on his face and this was when willbur and Sh3lby were still together and Sh3lby has blamed her past 3 boyfriends for abuse just for internet clout btw next time you should do your research about these thing before you comment I hope you read more about this topic and learn the truth about the abuse
EXACTLY BUT NO ONE BELIEVES US. THEY REFUSE PROOF!
You fr deserve a praise , you didn't frame without proof. But nobody believes and its a problem
shelby admitted it was consentual , case solved
YES EXACTLY BUT NO ONE LISTENS
And that most certainly isn’t true. Because Tommy and jack said they didn’t know about this. Don’t make false assumptions, shelby
this is real, you get a new sub
i didnt think this is a thing he would do
Someone’s account was that Wilbur’s friend had known about his habits and warned them meaning at least a good amount of his friends are aware (Plus he bites his friends too) it’s very gross
bro it was CONSENSUAL BITING! also affectionetly biting is fine.
matpat quits, earthquakes killing people in japan, and now wilbur is an abuser!? happy new year to you too guys..
I’m going to be so serious bro I support will and get over it Shelby’s supporters are running out of proof
YES
its hurts all of us
*clap*
An 18 year old girl
Lying about being SA
sure girly, why didn't you take him to court 💀, have fun getting some more ppl to believe you, your could've got him to court, you also blamed your past exes for the same thing, omg.
ik this is not her, just a message
2024 is going to be a bad year I’m convinced at this point-
It’s a great year, the truth is coming out.
@@Nooojjjhhg True
are you silly? 2024 is going to be a bad year because of some youtube drama lmfao@@Anxious_cartoonNerd
You know what to be honest I watch dream SMP since I was a teen I hope my friends are well to see this happen likely we did not see willbur like that blindly
We all looked up to him as a person. Now how are we supposed to do that now
You don't??? Just don't look up to an abuser gangy 😭
just remember: no proof has been shown of wilbur abusing shubble but alot of shubble not caring abt mental health issues
Im VERY CONFUSED why didnt they say anything when it happened?
I think this is saying it is non of our business from that point forward and that it’s not in our right to speculate, connect dots or theorise about behind the scenes or what not. We know what we’ve been told and that is it. Done.
Poor Shelby
Here you go shubble , dated a famous guy , randomly popping a video saying he abused you and made him lose 2 million people and made his friends support you , but I don't see any abuse marks on you shubble , you're still uploading and not caring about anything. Shubble I'm not hating on you but you have to give us evidence
i had a strong feeling scott knew
bro i use to love him. literally i HAVE HIS MERCH i hate him
Look ive been in this type of situation with a ex friend who tried gross stuff with me forced me ect. Just because people know/see don’t mean they’re aware thats its bad. If you don’t ask they’re unlikely to step in. But as soon as i told them that i didn’t like what they were trying and i don’t want it or anything like that. Straight away they took my side cuz they witnessed it. Only 1/10 of us didn’t and thats because they were the closest to him…
Why everyone is acting like he had severe age difference with his friends? He was twenty something at the time and most people he talked to were either twenty/twenty one or two/three years younger. This doesn't make it any less messed up, but it's just so weird for me that but why is everyone acting like he was super old and aiming for minors when he actually talked to people more or less his age?
When Tommy and Tubbo met Wilbur they were like sixteen. Wil was 23
Bro what? They do objectively have a significant age gap? A lot of people that interacted with Wilbur were below 18 when they met him. Hell, Tubbo /just/ turned 20 and same for Ranboo (and Tommy is the youngest of those three and was the closest to Wilbur). Many were not 20 a handful of years ago.
I think older people can be friends with younger ones online, especially in a professional space like streaming (Philza is still friends with all of these ccs for example), but there was 100% an age gap present. And the younger you are, the more an age gap will be significant. Gonna be so for real and say the mentality of me at 16 is NOTHING like me at 20 fully out of high school and handling myself.
Tommy was 16 when he met wilbur at 23, even as a senior in high school I can't fathom seeing a freshman as my equal. There is such a huge maturity difference, they're so impressionable. I feel like that's important to know.
Tommy was 16 when he met Wilbur, Wilbur was 25, I think tubbo and ranboo were too but I'm not sure if they knew him too much. Niki had just turned 18 when she met Wilbur I think, maybe a bit younger. He was 23 or 25 when he met Niki I'm not sure but that's what they mean
@@soundwave7502have you actually watched any videos of them interacting? Wilbur did NOT see Tommy as an equal, he used him as a punching bag and he was pretty open about it.
Who ever is calling her that catch my hands (thanks for showing us the truth Shelby)
Damn
poor tommy
Those same boys have their own controversies, and have been known to lie on each other. I’m not saying she’s lying, but I reserve the right to not condemn Wilbur until further evidence is presented.
,,, hey /genq have you seen the man's response? And how he's been handling everything since this came out? Or even, like, any clips of them together before this all came out? Even if she was exaderating he posted a response that either was created by AI or might as well have been and there's clips of her talking about the biting stuff from months ago. Not to mention how weird his other reactions have been
It must really suck having her situation get buried by petty business and false accusations.
So does that mean that tommy, tubbo, phil and stuff knew about them
if so, I will cry
yes they did, but keep in mind, tommy and tubbo and a few others were just 18 at the time so they had no idea
I personally don’t think it was implying Phil knew about it, but about her friends (Smajor, Lexi Marie, Aimsey) and his friends (Tommy, Billzo, AverageHarry, Freddie Badlinu). Rue (Tommys roommate) also said “I am a direct victim of him and his disgusting behaviours” and liked a tweet saying that when Billzo and Freddie tweeted about them manipulating one of their friends they were talking about Tommy.
Basically, he is a serial abuser at this point, Niki, Zoe, Rue AND Shubble.
About the abuse? No. Watch their reaction/responses to it. Jacks if you want to be specific. He said Will wasn't ever that way towards him.
I think she meant Nikki. Will bites Nikki
1:26:02 ironmouse joined
I believe Shelby since Wilbur admitted about how he acted and his attitude at the time but I really wish there was something more concrete, not expecting actual photos or videos of the abuse but if he bit her badly surely it’s would be visible and she could’ve taken photos.
Not saying she’s lying just wish this was a clearer cut situation
I’m pretty sure she meant he was biting her genital areas during intimate times I could be wrong though, but I don’t think wants to show that
Nihachu also said she was bit until she was bruised, way before this came out. Kinda too much of a coincidence don't you think? this is probably his kink
@@seybro6298 I don't know if he bit her there too, but she said in her initial stream that he bit her in the arms and legs and that he even showed these marks to their friends. But she also said that she didn't think that this was abuse until much later and that she was embarrassed when he bragged about it. So maybe she just didn't take any photos since from her standpoint it didn't seem necessary.
Yeah and it’s disgusting
That’s fair too, I was referring to when she said she used the code word he gave her that took away consent but he didn’t stop and bit her hard. But once again I still could be wrong
Sorry but Im #WilburSupportSquad
I support Wilbur in this situation
Same, bro
I love Wilbur, and I just really want to support him
Agreed it just seems off especially for her to publicly say stuff even after the fact.. I mean she made things up about her exes before so who knows
YES #WSSFRVR💙
You are sharing adult material with young children who were fans. Seriously 😮 in the UK an adult is 18 - have you contacted the police? Or is this a new fashion? The British police never advise anyone making complaints to go public before a trial.
As a social media influencer have you considered the adult situations you've put children in?
Are u sure about that.. don't get too excited for what have you done to wilbur cause he ain't nothing like that if will is bite you be honest don't be lie on vids
I just got here how long has this been going on
“Salt and sugar look the same.”
- a wise person
I hate what Wilbur did but i can't stop watching him listening to his music as he just brings me comfort but i see him differently now but he still brings me comfort im so mad about what he did but i can't stop watching his content same with music but i feel absolutely horrible about what Shelby went through
hey your feelings are valid and you shouldn't feel bad about this. detaching the artist from the art is very common (for example michael jackson), so i would recommend pirating all of his content so you won't support him any more, but still have access to think that brings you comfort :) hope it helps!
@@adaki8587 thank you for telling me this I will definitely do this
I hate this so much cuz honestly Wilbur was my favorite streamer and I don’t wanna believe he did this but also if this is true I don’t wanna seem like I support this stuff
Just wait until his proper and last statement to this situation, it's not time to take side until he publish it.
i think wilbur has alot of proof tho
preach
People are still supporting Wilbur even though he’s an abuser and they are saying Shelby was the abuser, I guess to them because he apparently had bruises when they were dating means he was being abused even though there are MANY different reasons to have bruises on yourself and not just because you’ve been abused
I will support Shelby and try to ignore all the Wilbur supporters yelling at me for saying he’s in the wrong. People have forgotten that this is not about Wilbur it’s about Shelby and the abuse she went through. I will support her until proven otherwise but random people on the internet with not that much proof of it won’t make me believe she’s the abuser
bruh her cousin literally heard her shout, cuss, and slap wilbur! she didnt go stop her cuz she got very scared. Wilbur on the other hand, did not cuss, shout, or slap shubble back!
Do people realize that there is no bring neutral on this? You're either supporting the victim or the abuser. And silence is supporting the abuser.
Edit: I hear your points, but I stand by my case. Being silent IS choosing a side, the wrong one
Edit again: I'm rolling on the floor at how ignorant you all are. Or just cruel. Whichever you prefer 🤷♀️
That is a really fucked statement mate
Silence is being a good person and not wanting to start any fights. Everywhere you go, whatever you say, people will get mad.
@@PercysADHD_KloeyMatthewsyeah I have to agree on that we can't be arguing about it
No silence is staying out the drama because you are still processing everything
@@Your_local_potatosalad "drama" tf? Abuse isn't drama
God all these people are being manipulated by this abuser.
A-Are people under the assumption that interaction just happen online for content creator?
They're real people with real feels and real lives outside of being youtubers.
Content creation can lead to people losing alot of privacy about there lives but by goodness let them have a little bit of time to themselves.
Wow
So many people are so blind like how parasocial do you have to be to assume you know more than the people that actually know what’s happening there are so many reasons as to why someone wouldn’t tell you, a random stranger on the internet, the intimate details of the abuse they’ve or your friend has gone through
bro why did she tell it then
instead of taking it to court?
CLOUT
@@RoseisasillysimpI know you’re like 12 but it’s really insensitive to say someone wants clout simply because they won’t spend hundreds of dollars trying to get an international court case and then even more money trying to fight a multimillionaire who not only can get better lawyers cause he’s rich like everyone knows the judicial system favors rich people
@@Jaz_3 So is shubble, not caring abt therapy saying "People who go to therapy dont change" and thinking mental health is some sort of joke.
can someone tell me what’s happening because my parents took away my phone for 2 weeks
A LYING WHAT??!!
I’m so sorry Shelby that you had to go through this ❤❤❤
Wilbur literally wouldnt let Tommy go out with him unless his dad came so dont say he is creepy being mates with an 18 year old
He planned to get Tubbo drunk as soon as he got 18, that's at least a little weird
@@xeres6232 I see what your trying to say but it's just a bit of a grey area if you know what I mean
I just disagree with the people now stating he is like a nonce or a wrongen that's all
It's always "what if she (the victim) is lying" - I dunno about you, but it smells of... misogyny.
Also smells of the person (accused/abuser) being manipulative!!
I do want to say that we will never get the full story or know what truly happened for the sake of privacy. Because of that, we will probably never get confirmed/underlying proof and therefore have to either stay neutral or hope the said victim isn’t lying.
i agree that in this situation, shelby is 100% a victim, but we do need to be cautious; don't forget the kwite situation. we shouldn't instantly blindly trust someone making claims, not until the other party makes a statement or if there is irrefutable proof. in this case, wilbur's statement basically confirmed his guilt, but in other cases it might be the opposite.
Dude really? Sometimes people do lie? Are you a child? I do believe shelby is telling the truth but we should never just assume without evidence. Remember that that being falsly accused is traumatic as well. Ive had a youtuber I used to watch get cancelled for false accusations that were proven false try to game end himself. His girlfriend happened to be nearby and rushed him to the ER. Luckily he survived, but this is exactly why you should never blindly believe people who declare themselves victims.
@@mystraunt2705 You're completely right, another RUclipsr also recently committed su!c!de because they were falsely accused of the same things, but unfortunately did not get help in time. Only afterward were the accusations proven false and nobody really seemed to care that he had died because of someone lying
I guess I'm misogynistic for not believing caiti then
i have no idea whats going on
Ok first the headlines a little dishonest
ok, then why were they all still doing videos with wilbur, why was lovejoy still a thing, why did they all only decided to cut him off now if they knew before????
probably lots of lying and manipulation and maybe a weird ground of respect for wilbur. tommys said himself that he saw wilbur as a brotherly figure, hed probably listen to him and theyd probably fall for his lies and work-arounds in stories. they probably didnt wanna make a huge public outburst about it and they probably didnt exactly know what shelby was going through considering wilbur would lie, gaslight and manipulate wilbur. sometimes people act weird or yucky in a way or say stupid shit and maybe you dont cut ties with them, which is maybe why they still made videos collabing with him.
jack even said although hes in support of shelby, hed never seen wilbur act violent or manipulative himself (but he does not mean it in a way that he doesnt believe shelby) so some of the others mightve not exactly have known.
lovejoys discord got locked/archived and their subreddit was deleted, theyve refused to say anything which isnt surprising, because everytime someone calls a tour manager or member out they just never speak on it.
wilbur was good at lying to people and building this persona where hes the good guy, hes done it to his fans as well
i dont think she meant that they knew he was hurting shubble, i think she meant that they knew he had violent outbursts and (according to freddie, niki & billzo) had tried to manipulate, gaslight or straight up lie to them on multiple occassions. i think theyre finally dropping him now that they have a solid reason too because its obviously disgusting what wilbur did, and some of them might be finally connecting the dots like "oh shit xyz happened and this was written off as a joke, this isnt normal or okay" etc etc
sorry for the rant
tldr ; hes good at lying and gaslighting and putting on a good guy mask to look good and hide his true self
@@lowkey_robinwow
when people are good at manipulating they really really are. I was manipulated and groomed by someone, and even knowing that it was weird, the guy doing it was too good at what he was doing that it made me feel like I was wrong for thinking that way. I can imagine Wilbur was very good at manipulating. especially since he met Tommy and ranboo and all that when they were teenagers.
M a n I p u l a t I o n
people are going to continue calling shelby a liar until she actually provides real evidence or takes it to court.
Many abuse victims don't find justice in a legal court. Unfortunately. And even the process of going to a court can be traumatic itself, it's the reason why in many abuse cases there is no legal action taken by the victim
@@obsessed360 and yet so many times people can be falsely accused of abuse in court with the same evidence shelby used and get sentences of 15+ years. it happens.
edit: and sure, going to court can be traumatic, but is just suffering the abuse in silence for 10 months not just as if not more traumatic?
@@meh_81 yeah the justice system is f*cked on both sides but this is not ab that. (Also in most cases where that happens is bc the person accused is black so that's another issue entirely and I think the statistics for unreported domestic abuse generally is at like 80% so Shelbys reaction is not new this a societal issue)
What's more traumatic is not objective it depends on the person. Also it would be kinda hard to have a court case considering that they live in different continents
@@obsessed360 not in all cases is it relating to race. it's happened in my family and they were all the same race. with shelby's situation, if she has so many others standing at her side with similar enough stories of their own, a judge is highly likely to side with them. all taking things to twitch has done is divided a fandom and led to people spreading hate.
the case being difficult doesn't matter. many cases are difficult and take years but they get done.
@@meh_81 bro I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, I'm also not saying that Shelby would or wouldn't find justice in a legal court. I'm saying that it's statistically likely she won't and for such a difficult process the small chance of justice could simply not be worth it. She didn't come forward to "cause drama in a fandom" as if that's what more important, she did it to share her story and to warn other people ab his behaviors. The divided fandom can stfu, it's not important in this
I separate the artist and the art so idc about this ima still listen to the music and watch the videos
but by doing so, you're directly supporting the artist
if you're going to separate them please pirate the content
Long as it's pirated go off
the thing is they had to have known. there’s no way they didn’t. they knew he did it to niki. even minx came out about shit wilbur had done to make her uncomfortable. and they were always on wilbur’s side. now they finally believe shelby which is amazing cuz she deserves all the support. but yeah they definitely knew.
As someone who is a victim myself and also very skilled at seeing straight through people’s bs. Wilbur genuinely made me uncomfortable every time I saw his face and I could not watch the content Nikki made with him because I was sad for her because I had a feeling
This is fully expected. There was no reason to bring this to light, this is just stressful for everyone, and painful for the viewers that care
It's quite clear you've never had someone abuse you. Its painful to live everyday hearing your friends and everyone on the internet praise your abuser without knowing what they have done to you.
@@NullIsntSane That's rich, My parents are the worst people I know, But I wouldn't wish suffering on them. If I knew they got better, that is all I need to know and I can take a breath and try to move on.
Hearing them be Praised isn't bad, they deserve their praise, and also my hatred. I've matured enough to see that.
My friends know, they support me because they know, I feel their support. The internet though? That's all on her lmao, she chose this career, she chose to have eyes on her, if it hurts her, frankly that's her fault. Atleast she has friends to turn to.
aimsey fans acting all offended here in the comments lol
I personally think this is about tommy maybe. Its really likely that wlbur manipulated tommy :(
Feel free to drag me for a dogshit opinion but heres my thoughts
I say giving her full emotional support is what we should all do, but after the false dream allegations, i think we should hold off on burning wilbur at the stake until people who were actually involved give us more to work with. Its mostly heresay right now from what ive gathered and even if wilburs odd apology isnt helping his case i really think its best to hold back a bit.
Um, a lot of people have come forward about what he did to them. Not to mention, she didn't even mention Wilbur by name when she came forward about the abuse. She said "her ex." She never called Wilbur out. People just put two and two together, and then Wilbur posted his "apology," confirming it was him who she was talking about. There's literally no way she's lying about this when she never name-dropped anyone initially.
And if you look back on old videos, it's kinda crazy that the fandom didn't pick up on it sooner. Not just his behavior toward Shubble but toward a lot of the others as well. I mean, hell, he admitted to throwing an apple full force at Techno despite knowing about his cancer in one of his streams. However, his wording and the way he spoke during his retelling of the event had it coming off as a joke and playful, but that's not a joke. He even said Techno deserved it for making fun of his throwing skills.
And for proof: www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLRPDw9w/
This clip is cut down to a minute, so it's not the full retelling, but if you look up "Wilbur throwing apple at Techno" on YT (instead of TikTok) I'm sure you'll get the full clip.
@@vociferouschaos whatever you say
im not dismissing you i simply havent seen evidence myself so i personally am staying neutral, again not picking wilbur's side as i am glad everyone is choosing to support shubble, i just grow extremely tired of the he-said she-said that goes on when people bring up serious stuff like this sometimes
@@vociferouschaosShelby and technodad said (well I found claims technodad said it haven’t found it yet) it was actually a lemon he throw at techno, and I don’t think it was an accident I think he done it on purpose to show who is the “Alpha male” to techno.
@nikkismith2998 Oh, yeah, it was 100% on purpose. He outright said he threw it because Techno made fun of his throwing.
@@vociferouschaos I already had a bad feeling about Wilbur from the beginning and it got worse since the lemon throwing. Glad I have only watched him with my little sister on a small handful of times.
Now to think many of his fans especially the younger ones will probably pull a Wilbur.
I have a quotient.?
Like do willbur use to be friends in RUclipsr know about or just some normal friends? Sorry if I am being rude about it
I don’t want to seem like I’m against Shelby (I really hope she gets better) but if Tommy or Tubbo or Phil or Ranboo or anyone else that was their friend like that and they knew what was happening, Wouldn’t they have said something or done something? I feel like they would have shown some kind of sign or acted differently around Wilbur and her before Wilbur got exposed? Again, not trying to hate just confused🤨
Manipulation and chances are he hid a LOT of this from Phil he would’ve done something
I'm surprised that this whole situation just appeared on the Internet instead of going to court right away. Why create publicity now and create a new wave of accusations? If everything is so serious, why are people inactive? What is the meaning of the words? 😕There are always a lot of rumors surrounding popular people, but which ones should you believe? It will be like the situation with Dream. Just a few weeks of noise, and then everything will go back to how it was before.
@@nihiko6557 I do personally believe things will not go back to the ways things were before, Wilbur's audience has probably lost all hope by now. Dream has always been a widely hated content creator (for whatever reason or another) which is probably one of the reasons everyone believed the gr00ming accusations while they were going on, but to me it felt kind of like a "oh more drama surrounding that guy, of course" kinda deal. People seemed like they were expecting it kind of. Wilbur's accusations were completely unexpected, no matter what anyone says, you were not "waiting for this to happen". People loved Wilbur, and he admitted to biting her (he did not admit to abuse, just to biting her, which he seems to think or pretend was playful) its different from the Dream stuff
No. They didnt know, wilburs friends I mean.. like, Wilbur bit her arm informant of his friends which she mentioned in her VOD, but she also said she lied about it being just fine though it wasnt, so they probably thought everything was going completely fine. And since they were inexperienced they likely didnt know, Wilbur bited Her on her arms and legs, I'm not sure if it went any further, however. Why do we need proof anyway when Wilbur admitted to it? He did do it, that's all we need to know. She probably at the time, times didnt know about this being abuse, so she didnt take any pictures of her being covered in bruises.
Support shubble.
In this case I don't think that wilbur wouldve made it too obvious around people he was close to, Shelby in the video is talking about those people's personal experiences with him being manipulative and them putting the pieces together.
Minx in another clip did say some of their mutuals (unamed, but they generally have alot of mutals) were aware of some of the things that were going on with wilbur and some of the girls including minx, but did not believe them or do anything. And now they're supporting Shelby because that's what everyone is doing.
What happened?
What happened this is the forst im hearing of this
I am not a fan of shubble but what?????? is it true?
edit: I want proof NOW
There is so so so much proof all over the internet
Yes like in Mr Sen's videos ( Warning he has very realistic thinking so )
Bro, this stuff is getting annoying it keeps popping up on my phone.
Support Shubble. 100%.
Bru ok get it over it
Go Shelby!
wait what happened
Wilbur Soot allegedly was an abusive piece of shit to most of his exes and friends. I'm waiting to see how it all turns out tbh.
IStandWithWilburSoot
Fuck you he abused her
@@blormblormI don't support him but I mean no one really knows
@@blormblorm muffin u she slapped and shouted at him
‼️‼️HELLO PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU CAN‼️‼️
Shubble’s cousin came forward and said that when she first met Wil that he was a very kind person but later in the day (they said that they were staying at Shubble’s for the day) that Wilbur and Shelby were arguing and Shelby had yelled “F*** YOU” to Wil and then they heard a slap nous come from the same room, later on they saw Wil had a bright red handprint on his cheek like he had beef slapped they also stated they never saw Shelby having bruises either and she would always wear stuff like short sleeve and skirts and dresses they also had gone to the beach with her and again no bruises or marks that’s their side of the story tho
Okay bud
@@JackdawMori9510 it’s just to spread awareness
@@Emo_twink source?
@@JackdawMori9510 I saw screenshots from another RUclipsr abt this
Come on we can’t spread stuff like this, we’ve got no proof of this other than “I’m her cousin :p”
bro this shit can't be more fake
yea 😂
Hi.
1st i dont have to support you based off your word alone. Thank you.
You also are a manipulator Shelby. Not a wilbur fan. But definitely not one of yours ma'am.
When you tell kids they can't watch you because their parents voted for someone you don't like so they will vote with you. Kinda manipulation.
When you tell kids who they have to vote for or they can't watch you. Is manipulation.
That being said. His friends knew, yours knew, and did nothing. Says a lot about your friends. :)
lol shubble's "friends"
I trust shubble as viewer from time I support as her character from times I watch her content and believe her genuine and character. Meanwhile I heavily distaste on Caiti I am sorry she has little character and low good choices made that shows how terrible and pure manipulative.
Ok so hear me out… on one of my friends community posts stated they are studying in psychology and they said the watched the video and by they way Shelby acted they where able to tell she isn’t telling the full truth/exaggerating it. Kinda like the Johnny Depp (idk how to spell his name) and Amber Heard drama/trial nobody knew the full truth until the trial. (Plus I’m not going to say abuse is fine no it’s less then fine it’s terrible but I’m not going to stop listening to his music and watching his old videos because you put on a different version of yourself on the internet as like your “internet person”.) Therefore proving the point no one’s truly knows the full story ever. Taking this and thinking about it I choice to not pick or involve myself in this. Thank you for you time and i hope i could make you think about something today. Have a good day night or afternoon
I simply choose to support a possible victim but allow Wilbur to grow from this. Just because someone tells you abused someone/there's a story a story that you are one once doesn't mean (after therapy), you will abuse everyone else.
Ik he was pretty old (20 something or idk, late 20's) but people are always growing. If he PROVES, he somehow grows and actually has or is going to therapy. I think people should allow him to exist normally and even, maybe... Have a platform.
But hey, what do I know?
"Pretty old" - late 20's lol
I'm dumb... but yall get it.
I still can't believe his friends dropped him that quickly without hearing his side or trying to help him get out of this issue and it's starting to get annoying every short where wilbur is doing behaviour
aggressivel witch people thought was funny but now every short I see there's always a comment like this aged badly or something stupid like that
@@PercysADHD_KloeyMatthews yeah I'll edit it now!
@JadeHawkins-yp4vp I get really annoyed about those "aged badly" comments too lmao. But also I don't think his friends dropped him all of the sudden, it was most likely the final straw after he pushed them to far. Either way, it their choice not ours
Can someone say me when the last time wilbur abused someone was? ❤