On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 111: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part III
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass.
In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny dig into the Liturgy of the Word, the section of the Mass that focuses on Sacred Scripture. They look at the role of the Bible in Catholic worship, and compare it to the role that Scripture played in the worship services from their days as Evangelical Protestants.
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To help non-catholic appreciate the stained glass windows and statues, I explain that they are the newspapers s and the photojournalists of the Medieval times.
Excellent description/explanation! Thank you!
As a priest for 35 years (now retired) I have never heard a better faith filled explanation of the Holy Mass. Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
I am exasperated with people … priests … saying, “Well, the Church really doesn’t mean this” or “the Bible doesn’t really mean that”. For me, Jesus said it, the Church teaches it and I BELIEVE it!
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Wonder why these things aren't taught to people preparing for Holy Communion & Confirmation.
Can you show me where Jesus said this, thanks!
"Do this in memory of me."
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We sit on the X of a treasure map... and it really seems like we could dig and dig and never find all the treasure.
You guys give me one more reason to dig deeper into my Catholic Faith
This trio knows much about mass yet they are recent converts. I never knew a decimal of the same until 1 year ago. Thanks
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Thank you so much.
You three are doing a wonderful job of explaining the Catholic faith, and I'm sure that new converts appreciate the effort you put into these talks.
May I, as a cradle Catholic offer some comment...
You are correct in that the Mass prayers are based on Sacred Scripture, and I have to admit that it took me sometime to realize that.
I actually believed the Protestant accusation that Catholics don't know the Bible until, as an adult, I decided to take a Bible study course.
All the way through I kept thinking "I knew that...of course...nothing new here... " etc.
You see, going through a Catholic school system, taught by nuns, and with regular examinations set by the local diocese, we learned the Bible but we just didn't announce the chapter and verse numbers.
It wasn't called Bible Class, it was called Religious Instruction!
The prayers and petitions that I memorized as a child were direct quotations from Old and New Testaments. Some of my favorites, to my surprise, turned out to be the Psalms!
And yet, I thought that I hadn't read the Bible, not realizing that it had been read to me for as long as I can remember!
Since most of my schooling was in the 1940s (I'm what you would call 'mature'), I grew up with the Latin Mass, and I'm so thankful that it is available again.
Contrary to popular belief, people DID know what was happening at Mass, and children were able to pickup Latin prayers and simple Gregorian chants. I loved the fact that the first prayer that I said as Mass started was...
"I will go unto the altar of God, to God who gives joy to my youth"
I just didn't realize that I was praying a Psalm.
We attend services at an Anglican Cathedral and our Liturgy of the Word is identical to all you have shared so far. I appreciate hearing how mass is celebrated.I have listened to many episodes that you guys have done and have learned a lot. Thanks so much and blessings to you all.
You'll be challenged to become Roman Catholic when they explain the Liturgy of the Eucharist. Receive abundant blessings!🙏
I get the impression that most ex-Catholics tuned out the Liturgy of the Word completely at Mass. I was very nearly an ex-Catholic and I usually did for some years.
Nowadays I’m one of the cantors at my Catholic parish and… probably I ham it up a bit trying to bring the psalm to life for those who may have tuned out. Perhaps I do more harm than good. Perhaps not.
Please . . . Just read. It's not a show. It's not about anyone but God. It's why we never should applaud during Mass. It's not a performance.
To do anything to draw undue attention to yourself is taking attention away from God. People, when they leave Mass, should not be able to remember who read the readings.
You can't force someone to pay attention. It's entirely voluntary. Sing the Psalm well. It's good enough.
Don't give up! Sung Psalms are crucial to recover the Joy of our faith and our beautiful Church. More than 60 of them (the Word) commands us to sing them and shout them out loud...etc. I am witness of its fruits. Blessings 🙏
AMAZINGLY FANTASTIC teachings. GOD BLESS.THANK YOU GOD for conversion of GREAT teachers to the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.^WOW^as a Catholic feel TRULY BLESSED you became Catholics
Hands down the best, most winsome Catholic apologetics podcast on the internet. And Kenny completes the triumpherate, taking the show over the top. You guys rock!
Very helpful. Thanks to the 3 of you. Please continue your ministry
Great point about letting the scripture speak for itself, without an idealogue expounding ad nauseum for the purpose of edifying his own ego, a la Ravi zacharias and others. They still play his stuff where I live. Sometimes I listen while driving for some insight to that way of thinking. What I most often encounter is compositions full of folk wisdom designed to embrace most Protestant sensibilities. Any exhortation to pick up your own cross to follow Jesus means believe and nothing more.
Thankyou so much for opening up the richness of our Faith and our Mass,really beautiful depth of teaching,the Lord is surely with you
These episodes are amazing! Please keep doing them!
Interestingly, in the Byzantine Catholic Divine Liturgy of John Chrysostom (I did not check the Divine Liturgy of St Basil, which is not used as often) every time the liturgy is celebrated right before the consecration of the bread and wine John 3:16 is quoted by the priest. I might also add that as a Protestant I used to use the lectionary (revised common lectionary) even when in Vineyard or Brethren or similar churches (unless there was a different request), not just in Episcopal or Anglican churches. I was very sensitive to the need to avoid hobby horses and that made me do it. Of course, I was a biblical scholar and taught the whole scripture, I was gospel centered, and the literature I was known for was the Catholic Epistles. It was an Old Catholic pastor (he had been a Catholic priest but had left and become an Old Catholic priest) who pointed out to me that one should always preach the gospel. Yes the OT and Epistle, but if one integrate two or all three, the Gospel must always be in the homily. Ironically, the Latin Rite church uses the Greek word "homily" and Protestants have tended to use the Latin word sermon.
Having listened to you it continues to baffle me why former Catholics still mentain that Catholics don't preach the gospel
@42.20 Sing it, Kenny.
I like that the Bible at the MASS because a lot of times the non Catholic will say where is that in the BIBLE.
Hehehe... did not know St Ambrose was a ventriloquist. Love it. Thank you, guys.
This is amazing. I really enjoyed this one. Thank you guys!
Thank you for going into such detail of the Mass.
Beautiful explanations as usual. Thank you.
I reverted in 2019 and attend the Latin Mass at a FSSP parish, but I also attend the OF Mass every now and then. This episode helps me understand more about both. Thank you!
P.S. I still want that coffee mug! Any chance you'd consider selling it in the CHN website store?
I think most exCatholics weren't paying attention during Mass readings., either wanted entertainment or was there for whatever reason. Don't think that they really understood all that was going on in the Mass or wasn't taught. 2)To Matt. Luke then John
Enlighten me on why Altars have relics of saints...🙏🙏🙏thank you
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Matt!! Sell me a coffee mug!!
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Hi guys, thank you and God bless you.
Can I please ask you a simple question since you are ex protestants? Protestants insist on scripture alone and that each person should read the Bible for himself ( herself) and the Holy Spirit will teach them everything, blablabla, then how come they go to a Bible teaching church or search for a teacher? I hope that my question is clear? Thanks
What does your church say this verse means?
"1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him."
@@Justas399 First of all, there is no such thing as my Church and your ( church), for there is only one Church which our Lord Jesus Christ established and that Church is the Catholic Church. The other so called churches are not the body of Christ, for Christ is one and he has only one body.
Let's get back now to the so called very hard verse in 1 John 2:20;26-27. First of all, we should never ever pick and choose verses and isolate them and give them meanings which have nothing to do with the intention of the inspired writer.
For example, why did you quote verse 20 and then you skipped verses 21-25?
It would have been so clear and easy to understand what John meant and to whom he was addressing these words.
As Catholics, we do believe and rightly so that the first and foremost teacher is the Holy Spirit, but this doesn't mean that He does not teach through teachers ( read 1 Cor.12), otherwise Mathew 28:19-20 is nonsense ( of course not), or Acts 8:26-40 is balonies, because Philip should have said to the Ethiopian eunuch that the Holy Spirit will teach him.
And if everyone should read and interpret the scriptures as they want, then also Peter was wrong when he wrote 2 Peter 1:20?
I could continue forever but I hope that what I said to you should help you a bit.
God bless you
@@marountayar2831 The church that Jesus founded did not have an office of a chief shepherd (pope), the Marian dogmas, purgatory, praying to the dead and many other doctrines that your church has.
Where has your church officially interpreted I John 2:27?
Everyone who reads the Scriptures interprets them. Either rightly or wrongly. When the catholic interprets the Scriptures when he reads them he has no way to know with certainty if his interpretation is correct because his church has never interpreted the Scriptures officially.
@@Justas399 I don't have time to waste with prideful ignorents
@@marountayar2831 me neither.
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The homily is perhaps the least important part of mass.
Why do you only talk about the modern Mass? It's difficult to talk about continuity when it's a complete novelty
To clarify we mention multiple times that we attend one of seven valid rites in the Catholic Church, the ordinary form of the Roman Rite which is a return to the form in many ways of the description of the ancient liturgy described by St. Justin Martyr. It's the rite our parishes celebrate. But we affirm along with the Magisterium that all of the valid rites (all 7 of them currently celebrated in the Universal Church) are heaven on earth. They also all have the same shape (liturgy of the word and eucharist).
@@KennyBurchard the novus ordo is in no way a return to the liturgy of the Early Church. Even Pope Benedict as Cardinal Ratzinger strongly denied this, calling it a "banal fabrication". Have you never read the Ottaviani Intervention? The Traditional Roman Rite of Mass is precisely how we know what the Early Church Liturgy looked like. There are many historical recreations of the Early Liturgy and none of them look like the modernist novus ordo. Also it's very disingenuous to compare legitimately received and approved Rites which are truly ancient to a liturgy which was made up in consultation with protestant ministers and who's architect was a freemason
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Theres so many references here to "why do we do this or why do we do that". But the examples given are only modern novelties. The Church hasn't done most of them for her 2000 year history. I cringed when I heard Kenny speak about people proclaiming the words "the word of the Lord". Something only done by the Priest since the earliest centuries of the Church. Or the "ordinary time" reference, a total and complete novelty. The reality, on the ground for 99 percent of Latin Rite Catholics is a protestantized liturgy with no devotions, no orthodoxy, no reverence, no even basic following of liturgical traditions, no connection to the beauty and amazing liturgical traditions of 2000 years. To claim anything else is simply misleading. Please, do this episode, but rather going through the Traditional Liturgy and the many many parts that were ommitted from this episode