They don’t deserve an apology at all, transparency is everything and they decided that they didn’t respect us enough to be honest instead they made people spend all that money on those cards and not say anything until it was possible to get KOBE and they just randomly swapped it to the 100 overalls🤦🏾♂️
@@tierlistpapi7241 that very well may be, however, 2k has turned their back on their community and customers for so long now, they have no credit saved up when something like this happens. Now it doesn’t matter whose fault it is, nobody is rushing to defend the company that doesn’t care about its base.
@@tierlistpapi7241 that very well may be, however, they definitely profited from it, and waited till the last possible second to say something. After turning their back on their player base for years, they have no credit saved up to get an apology.
@@tierlistpapi7241 I heard that idea, but that doesn’t make sense because the only people that would care about that is the company themselves because of the amount of people it would probably deter from the game tbh. It’s a cool idea but I don’t see that being true tbh. And to continue about the collectors reward they FOR SURE knew in enough time to change that reward💯 that’s why either way it goes it’s disgusting
@@michaelgordon9859yea they knew for awhileeeeee 1. we gotta sign tos saying that nobody can sue them, just to play the game. 2. a day before pd kobe …. a never seen before move …you can buy all 64 HoF badges 95% of people knew they were gonna have a 64 hof kobe and it makes him viable all year. 3 GO wild west kobe drops INSANE close to pd kobe dropping people said its way to soon lol …. they wanted to pump out the kobe promos for the 💲💲💲💵💵 cause they knew damn well they were losing or at major risk of losing kobes rights.
i can see a world where vanessa bryant asked for a cut of kobe's myteam sales, but 2k being stingy af declined and lost kobe's rights completely. it's the same reason they lost ppl like charles barkley
@@robjtheurer not at all, that's her ex husband and father of her daughters she has the right to do what she wants especially to a company as scummy as 2k
@@Vuirotto- absolutely correct, but I also think about how she complained about a landlord who wanted a mural of Kobe taken down on HIS building when she could’ve taken his billion dollars and put a mural elsewhere
Chuck had way different motives, he won't let 2k use his likeliness unless they pay the NBAPA some money to take care of older players that came before him
They don't deserve an apology at all. They handled it poorly, didn't give us a reason, and kept it hidden in discord. They had time to handle it professionally, but chose to wait until the last second to poorly change the reward.
It seems like once they went 100% gambling the plug got pulled and since from that point collector level became gambling only. At the end of the credits Kobe literally has a paragraph about the use of his rights and likeness so they're not playing around
Precisely. NBA 2K24 BLACK MAMBA EDITION and NBA 2K24 KOBE BRYANT EDITION are still being sold which just voids the entire narrative of them losing name rights. This is just about Visual Concepts agreeing to not use Kobe in the My Team mode. Nothing less.
It still doesn’t change the fact that they waited until 5 hours before kobe was supposed to drop to tell people that he wasn’t. They milked out as much as they could from using his name right til the end
I wouldn't be surprised if 2K is just holding out until next season(s) to feature an ultimate Kobe card to get their last bit of dollars from us before TheirTeam is officially over for the year (and possibly forever). LONG LIVE MAMBA 💜💛
Too apologize to a company taking money from kids every day is just not a move anyone should back. This company is very money hungry it's a casino. People had to die to get a free card this year . This company is wild.
If they lost the rights to Kobe, then why wouldn’t they announce that before they remove him as the collector level reward? It would have been the best PR move to make to let people know why. Instead they faced backlash (including an article in FORBES magazine. My thought is that there is some ongoing negotiations between 2k and Kobe’s estate, where they have to keep quiet until it’s all settled.
Every year around this time once we get the Next packs the market goes crazy and the prices go down on cards but since we don’t have that type of market no more we not getting cards for the low
Vanessa Bryant probably saw or was informed about how 2K handles things. How people were forced to gamble to get opal Kobe and decided that's not how she wants things to go and how to honor his husband. I was lucky enough to pull that opal Kobe froma free pack like an hour after the card became available. Awesome card...Feeling sad so few people are able to use it.
They don’t get know apology!!!!! They had people going collector level then if you wanted to sell your cards you get 40 percent what you paid for. We need a video on these scam packs 60,000 mt for goat series cards that sell for 17,000. Only pulling dupilicate opals, spark packs. Only way to get anything is a topper box. Maybe 2k will put Barkley on the next 2k front cover
They didn’t lose the rights although it seems that way. They are currently selling Kobe all over the 2k mobile app. They wouldn’t be able to do that if they lost the rights. However this whole Kobe situation is quite suspect looking.
Rights are signed year by year, not day by day or month by month. They still have Kobe’s rights. If they had any business acumen at all they wouldn’t have released a game with a player on the cover that the rights were going to expire.
I argued against it but it does seem that way at this point. I do think with him being the cover athlete and a driving force behind game sales, Vanessa would have released a statement, like she did with Nike, so ppl would stop buying/playing. Part of me wonders if he’ll be released in the final weeks of the game, to keep us playing when we would usually migrate towards other games
I do not have any insider information but its my guess that the Bryant family has an issue with 2K using Kobe’s name or likeness for promoting gambling. We haven’t seen a Kobe card since February which the heavy gambling content started with the all star packs around the same time. They likely demanded 2K to remove him from packs and that explains why he hasn’t gotten a new card or is not included in the champion packs either. 2K deserves no apology since they created this mess and the lack of communication or transparency plus the waiting until the night before to announce he was no longer the collector reward are all scummy business practices. 2K needs to be more honest with their customers
I told. I don’t give a f#ck. Went straight to Mrs. Bryant DM and ratted on 2K for having my Youngbull gambling for the GOAT. I hit WNBA players and told them they used male models for they player build too. Ima spike this bitch til the auction house back.
I literally got him in a pack this season. Problem is I don’t know what pack. I’m pretty sure it was from an unlimited ring though. I think he’s going to be a season reward next season.
I believe that if 2K lost his rights it may be because the Bryant estate decided that they weren’t happy with the monitory practices that they were taking (i.e. pack purchases/gambling for the players of your choice). I’m sure that they made a significantly larger amount of revenue than initially disclosed at the time the contract was negotiated. They absolutely wouldn’t want that kind of information to be released publicly.
Ive wondered this to, ive also wondered why they haven't dropped any of the old heads from years past. Like bob netolicky, billy knight, and many others. Just find it weird myself.
Bro I would of quite 2k months ago if I even thought this was possible. How are the company and family gonna get so nasty that the fans end up losing. This was my last 2k I was ever going to buy and this just shows why I can't care about this game anymore.
I will be so fuckin happy if 2K loss rights to Kobe. Hate how they did the goat for the last decade. I DM’d Mrs. Bryant and told her 2K had us gambling for the GOAT. This is a glorious day! 💜💛🖤
the only thing i could think is that Vanessa didn’t like people having to gamble to get his opal. Or she didn’t like the ratings & criticism being so bad with his face on the cover. they have 1.4 stars on google rn 😂
If they knew the licence for his likeness was coming up throughout this game and there was a chance they could lose his rights,they should never have put themselves in a position where this could occur. And it seems it did happen. 2k took a risk and lost at the expense of their player base
Remember when he had passed away and around that time they also needed to renew the rights. At that time Vanessa prolly had a different type of contract & 2k prolly doesn’t want to honor that anymore so she’s pulling his right now 🤷🏾♂️
Actually They did cuz when Vanessa Bryant found out Myteam was a gambling game she took the rights from myteam but 2k being 2k putting the opal from wild west she took all
Months later I bet Vanessa Bryant found out how much people are spending and wanted it to be easier for people to get Kobe he was free a couple years ago he was in the auction house other years and when she found the cost she blocked it from happening
If 2K truly lost the rights to using Kobe's name and likeness because of their gambling and predatory practices, it should warrant a much larger discussion. The fact that TakeTwo and 2K are keeping this in the dark to such a high degree is evidence as well. Kinda pathetic that 2K loses the man the YEAR they put him on multiple covers for the game lol.
I don’t get why you make a video about it now? There hasn’t been any update or any news about it for months so why do they deserve an apology when we still don’t know what has actually happened? They were still bad at communicating it since they waited til the end of april and didn’t give any actual explanation of the reason. So, hold your horses and wait with the apology.
i think theyre waiting for the game to come out for free on psn, so once a whole new wave of players come in then he will be available and more people will be dropping money on the game, especially after getting the game for free. i dont think they can just lose the rights mid way through the game. kobe is already under contract for this year’s title. this may be the last game kobe is in, but i dont think that exclude him from more cards releasing in 2k24. 2k is just really scummy. they pulled him from the collectors level and are banking on his goat series to come out when the game becomes free. they didnt lose the rights, they just suck
Im sure they would have made sure his rights were secured for the entire year maybe 2k breached the contract some how and got hit with a cease and desist is my guess
The problem is their not being honest and coming out and telling us they lost the rights which they have a obligation to so we can stop blaming and attacking them because Vanessa already said publicly she is done and tired of people and brands cashing out and making millions on her husband who has already went home to Jesus and to be honest I don't blame her so if she has already went public it's only obvious especially after them people went public with those pictures of him and daughters crash sight without her permission if you pay attention to detail the 2k24 Kobe got taken away right in the mix of all of that unfolding but unfortunately most people don't watch the news but I do !!!!!!! which is why I'm not surprised I haven't seen him !!!
I turned off the video as soon as you said 2k deserves an apology 🤡 it would be their fault that they lost his rights and and they could've communicated with the community
Visual Concepts just made the morale decision to NOT use Kobe or his likeness in the My Team game mode. Possibly due to the unethical gambling currently.
Well they definitely don't deserve an apology considering you guys are out here assuming because of their lack of communication and nobody knows the truth
So 2K messed up, lost Kobe’s rights and you think we owe them a slight apology ? They did something wrong to lose his rights I’d bet. I believe that Vanessa Bryant or someone else in his family seen what a scam myteam has become, seen how much money it would cost average people to obtain his card and said hell no we are not ok with you all using Kobe’s name to rip off people and push children to gamble. I could be wrong but I strongly believe it is something to this effect and that’s why they lost his rights. I wouldn’t want my dead loved one to be used by them to do such immoral acts in the name of money . And I bet Vanessa and his kids feel the same way,
They don’t deserve an apology at all, transparency is everything and they decided that they didn’t respect us enough to be honest instead they made people spend all that money on those cards and not say anything until it was possible to get KOBE and they just randomly swapped it to the 100 overalls🤦🏾♂️
Legally they may couldn’t have said anything tho
@@tierlistpapi7241 that very well may be, however, 2k has turned their back on their community and customers for so long now, they have no credit saved up when something like this happens. Now it doesn’t matter whose fault it is, nobody is rushing to defend the company that doesn’t care about its base.
@@tierlistpapi7241 that very well may be, however, they definitely profited from it, and waited till the last possible second to say something. After turning their back on their player base for years, they have no credit saved up to get an apology.
@@tierlistpapi7241 I heard that idea, but that doesn’t make sense because the only people that would care about that is the company themselves because of the amount of people it would probably deter from the game tbh. It’s a cool idea but I don’t see that being true tbh. And to continue about the collectors reward they FOR SURE knew in enough time to change that reward💯 that’s why either way it goes it’s disgusting
@@michaelgordon9859yea they knew for awhileeeeee 1. we gotta sign tos saying that nobody can sue them, just to play the game.
2. a day before pd kobe …. a never seen before move …you can buy all 64 HoF badges 95% of people knew they were gonna have a 64 hof kobe and it makes him viable all year.
3 GO wild west kobe drops INSANE close to pd kobe dropping people said its way to soon lol …. they wanted to pump out the kobe promos for the 💲💲💲💵💵 cause they knew damn well they were losing or at major risk of losing kobes rights.
The opal is not even in the champions packs that is really strange
i can see a world where vanessa bryant asked for a cut of kobe's myteam sales, but 2k being stingy af declined and lost kobe's rights completely. it's the same reason they lost ppl like charles barkley
More like his parents 😂 total a**holes
Not to defend 2k but if anyone is stingy it’s absolutely Vanessa Bryant
@@robjtheurer not at all, that's her ex husband and father of her daughters she has the right to do what she wants especially to a company as scummy as 2k
@@Vuirotto- absolutely correct, but I also think about how she complained about a landlord who wanted a mural of Kobe taken down on HIS building when she could’ve taken his billion dollars and put a mural elsewhere
Chuck had way different motives, he won't let 2k use his likeliness unless they pay the NBAPA some money to take care of older players that came before him
Kobe was in promo packs 2 weeks before was removed, and few days before changing collector level, he drop on 2k mobile .
carloooo whats up bro
which promo pack?
@@benlee1126 myteam promo packs he was in them 2 weeks prior then got change
They don't deserve an apology at all. They handled it poorly, didn't give us a reason, and kept it hidden in discord. They had time to handle it professionally, but chose to wait until the last second to poorly change the reward.
I wouldn't want my name associated with this company either. W move by Kobes family and legal team
They going to lose their NBA License if they keep this shit up.
Would literally be so hilarious but that would require a direct competitor in the market similar to what ea and konami had going on with soccer games
Apology??? Really? The least they can do is communicate with the community and be transparent.
It seems like once they went 100% gambling the plug got pulled and since from that point collector level became gambling only. At the end of the credits Kobe literally has a paragraph about the use of his rights and likeness so they're not playing around
Precisely. NBA 2K24 BLACK MAMBA EDITION and NBA 2K24 KOBE BRYANT EDITION are still being sold which just voids the entire narrative of them losing name rights. This is just about Visual Concepts agreeing to not use Kobe in the My Team mode. Nothing less.
It still doesn’t change the fact that they waited until 5 hours before kobe was supposed to drop to tell people that he wasn’t. They milked out as much as they could from using his name right til the end
I wouldn't be surprised if 2K is just holding out until next season(s) to feature an ultimate Kobe card to get their last bit of dollars from us before TheirTeam is officially over for the year (and possibly forever). LONG LIVE MAMBA 💜💛
They do NOT deserve any type of apology. They should’ve communicated that with the community if something happened.
Also the rotating packs of 100 overall that are updated would fuck over the people that completed it first.
Too apologize to a company taking money from kids every day is just not a move anyone should back. This company is very money hungry it's a casino. People had to die to get a free card this year . This company is wild.
If they lost the rights to Kobe, then why wouldn’t they announce that before they remove him as the collector level reward? It would have been the best PR move to make to let people know why. Instead they faced backlash (including an article in FORBES magazine. My thought is that there is some ongoing negotiations between 2k and Kobe’s estate, where they have to keep quiet until it’s all settled.
Every year around this time once we get the Next packs the market goes crazy and the prices go down on cards but since we don’t have that type of market no more we not getting cards for the low
The only thing they lost is their mind and their player base, point
Vanessa Bryant probably saw or was informed about how 2K handles things. How people were forced to gamble to get opal Kobe and decided that's not how she wants things to go and how to honor his husband.
I was lucky enough to pull that opal Kobe froma free pack like an hour after the card became available. Awesome card...Feeling sad so few people are able to use it.
I think we still get goat Kobe , they are just holding as long as they can because there will be backlash when they do it
They don’t get know apology!!!!! They had people going collector level then if you wanted to sell your cards you get 40 percent what you paid for. We need a video on these scam packs 60,000 mt for goat series cards that sell for 17,000. Only pulling dupilicate opals, spark packs. Only way to get anything is a topper box. Maybe 2k will put Barkley on the next 2k front cover
saying 2k lost KOBE'S rights is not true.. he has new cards in 2k mobile.. he has actually has special mamba card in 2k mobile
Bro if 2k is never gonna have Kobe in the game ever again ion wanna ever play 2k again
They didn’t lose the rights although it seems that way. They are currently selling Kobe all over the 2k mobile app. They wouldn’t be able to do that if they lost the rights. However this whole Kobe situation is quite suspect looking.
Where on the mobile app? I just looked and don’t see Kobe anywhere…
Rights are signed year by year, not day by day or month by month. They still have Kobe’s rights. If they had any business acumen at all they wouldn’t have released a game with a player on the cover that the rights were going to expire.
I argued against it but it does seem that way at this point. I do think with him being the cover athlete and a driving force behind game sales, Vanessa would have released a statement, like she did with Nike, so ppl would stop buying/playing. Part of me wonders if he’ll be released in the final weeks of the game, to keep us playing when we would usually migrate towards other games
I do not have any insider information but its my guess that the Bryant family has an issue with 2K using Kobe’s name or likeness for promoting gambling. We haven’t seen a Kobe card since February which the heavy gambling content started with the all star packs around the same time. They likely demanded 2K to remove him from packs and that explains why he hasn’t gotten a new card or is not included in the champion packs either. 2K deserves no apology since they created this mess and the lack of communication or transparency plus the waiting until the night before to announce he was no longer the collector reward are all scummy business practices. 2K needs to be more honest with their customers
I told. I don’t give a f#ck. Went straight to Mrs. Bryant DM and ratted on 2K for having my Youngbull gambling for the GOAT. I hit WNBA players and told them they used male models for they player build too. Ima spike this bitch til the auction house back.
They absolutely do not deserve any type of apology lol
Only reason i got the game this year was for the kobe collector reward
I literally got him in a pack this season. Problem is I don’t know what pack. I’m pretty sure it was from an unlimited ring though. I think he’s going to be a season reward next season.
I believe that if 2K lost his rights it may be because the Bryant estate decided that they weren’t happy with the monitory practices that they were taking (i.e. pack purchases/gambling for the players of your choice). I’m sure that they made a significantly larger amount of revenue than initially disclosed at the time the contract was negotiated. They absolutely wouldn’t want that kind of information to be released publicly.
Pretty sure they had a contract that expired…making Kobe the focal point of the game was a try to get the family to sign again
Ive wondered this to, ive also wondered why they haven't dropped any of the old heads from years past. Like bob netolicky, billy knight, and many others. Just find it weird myself.
Bro I would of quite 2k months ago if I even thought this was possible. How are the company and family gonna get so nasty that the fans end up losing. This was my last 2k I was ever going to buy and this just shows why I can't care about this game anymore.
I will be so fuckin happy if 2K loss rights to Kobe. Hate how they did the goat for the last decade. I DM’d Mrs. Bryant and told her 2K had us gambling for the GOAT. This is a glorious day! 💜💛🖤
They didn’t lose his right Carlo pointed it out if they lost his rights he would not be on the rosters in play now 2k is just full of shit
the only thing i could think is that Vanessa didn’t like people having to gamble to get his opal. Or she didn’t like the ratings & criticism being so bad with his face on the cover. they have 1.4 stars on google rn 😂
If they knew the licence for his likeness was coming up throughout this game and there was a chance they could lose his rights,they should never have put themselves in a position where this could occur. And it seems it did happen. 2k took a risk and lost at the expense of their player base
They could make his Opal available for 100k or something so everyone can enjoy him at least, even if he's outdated.
If they lost his rights, wouldn’t they have to remove the intro scene / mamba moments / play now Kobe etc.? Why’s it just myteam?
Vanessa don’t need the money.. She don’t like people having to gamble to use her husbands card..
Remember when he had passed away and around that time they also needed to renew the rights. At that time Vanessa prolly had a different type of contract & 2k prolly doesn’t want to honor that anymore so she’s pulling his right now 🤷🏾♂️
I got my opal Kobe in unlimited season 6super pack. A grind
Prove it
Actually They did cuz when Vanessa Bryant found out Myteam was a gambling game she took the rights from myteam but 2k being 2k putting the opal from wild west she took all
This is sad I love Kobe and his cards
Same and it sucks how the only possible card to get is his pink diamond which you have to pay around 600,000 mt for
@@mason4613 fr
Everybody here where my DM KOBE
Months later I bet Vanessa Bryant found out how much people are spending and wanted it to be easier for people to get Kobe he was free a couple years ago he was in the auction house other years and when she found the cost she blocked it from happening
Season 8 is coming Friday and nba draft promo later on today as well that's all I'm looking forward to
If 2K truly lost the rights to using Kobe's name and likeness because of their gambling and predatory practices, it should warrant a much larger discussion. The fact that TakeTwo and 2K are keeping this in the dark to such a high degree is evidence as well.
Kinda pathetic that 2K loses the man the YEAR they put him on multiple covers for the game lol.
I don’t get why you make a video about it now?
There hasn’t been any update or any news about it for months so why do they deserve an apology when we still don’t know what has actually happened?
They were still bad at communicating it since they waited til the end of april and didn’t give any actual explanation of the reason.
So, hold your horses and wait with the apology.
i think theyre waiting for the game to come out for free on psn, so once a whole new wave of players come in then he will be available and more people will be dropping money on the game, especially after getting the game for free.
i dont think they can just lose the rights mid way through the game. kobe is already under contract for this year’s title. this may be the last game kobe is in, but i dont think that exclude him from more cards releasing in 2k24.
2k is just really scummy. they pulled him from the collectors level and are banking on his goat series to come out when the game becomes free. they didnt lose the rights, they just suck
You can't buy Kobe in the player market anymore. You used to be able to buy the amethyst in the shop, but now you can't.
Im sure they would have made sure his rights were secured for the entire year maybe 2k breached the contract some how and got hit with a cease and desist is my guess
My guess the next set it challenges chus no spark was posted today ?
WTF are yall talkin bout if 2k lost Kobe’s rights Kobe wouldn’t be on a 2k roster stop the cap 🧢 😂
That shouldn’t have sold the collector level as Kobe if they couldn’t follow through.
The problem is their not being honest and coming out and telling us they lost the rights which they have a obligation to so we can stop blaming and attacking them because Vanessa already said publicly she is done and tired of people and brands cashing out and making millions on her husband who has already went home to Jesus and to be honest I don't blame her so if she has already went public it's only obvious especially after them people went public with those pictures of him and daughters crash sight without her permission if you pay attention to detail the 2k24 Kobe got taken away right in the mix of all of that unfolding but unfortunately most people don't watch the news but I do !!!!!!! which is why I'm not surprised I haven't seen him !!!
Yao Ming and Tim Duncan wasn’t even out when collector dropped. So I don’t think they should add every 100 lmfao. That’d be stupid
They should let everyone who got PD Kobe evo to DM, 100ovr, or GOAT. Easy fix not everyone has that Kobe either.
it would be fitting of 2k to lose kobe’s rights on the year he was the cover athlete lmao😂😂😂😂
🤫📞🔨
@@Chickenmr1 huh
Maybe they could put evo on PD Kobe? Since he's already in game
Bro wtf so now Kobe’s not gonna be in 2k ever again??????
What the heck is your point? Why do they deserve an apology for making the absolutely most incorrect way of handling this situation?
I think that they are gonna save it for season 9 pro pass final reward
Idk.. I feel like if they did lose his rights, they would have to remove him from the cover even. Something funny is definitely going on though...
I don’t think they lost his rights, they wouldn’t have him on the all time or classic teams
The banners on the lakers arena of Kobe are gone they def lost those rights lmao even in the Kobe Bryant era in mynba
if they lost rights he wouldn’t be in the game still he’s still on play now 😂
Did they loose Tacko and Manute too ? cause we are almost in July !
Just pulled a sg/sf tmac out of a splash zone pack after doing the challenges bro crazy
Couldn’t they atleast make his existing cards an evo?
They should just give us all a free kobe Bryant then after that no more Kobe Bryant’s
you think he will even be in play now next year??
Them Grape charges are coming baaaaacckk
Never forget
This makes me happy,,
I turned off the video as soon as you said 2k deserves an apology 🤡 it would be their fault that they lost his rights and and they could've communicated with the community
Maybe it’s cuz Venessa is pissed because Kobe cards are always pay to win and never free
I swear Jc2k is the king of bad 2k takes😂
And yet people Still give them money 💀😂😂🤷♂️
So I was grinding for that old pink diamond Kobe. I can’t have him?
Yeah he’s still there. He’s talking about newer/updated cards
So like Charles Barkley they can't use kobe in any way
Visual Concepts just made the morale decision to NOT use Kobe or his likeness in the My Team game mode. Possibly due to the unethical gambling currently.
How is it in fairytale land? You think they care about ethics ?😂😂😂😂
@@Playaxhaterthey chose to take the high road this one time only 😂 yeah right
So does this mean Kobe’s never gonna be in 2k again????
Yes that means there are no more Kobe’s forever
How do they lose rights and he is on the cover of the game ??
Well they definitely don't deserve an apology considering you guys are out here assuming because of their lack of communication and nobody knows the truth
not sure why people need 20 different versions of one player lol Pink Diamond Kobe and GO kobe are still sliding if u know how to play.
Lies there still selling his cards on myteam mobile if they didn’t have the rights he wouldn’t still be able to purchase
Where?
So 2K messed up, lost Kobe’s rights and you think we owe them a slight apology ? They did something wrong to lose his rights I’d bet. I believe that Vanessa Bryant or someone else in his family seen what a scam myteam has become, seen how much money it would cost average people to obtain his card and said hell no we are not ok with you all using Kobe’s name to rip off people and push children to gamble. I could be wrong but I strongly believe it is something to this effect and that’s why they lost his rights. I wouldn’t want my dead loved one to be used by them to do such immoral acts in the name of money . And I bet Vanessa and his kids feel the same way,
Yo and that's what they get for being dirty
Fax