O-Dog joins the debate on which forwards he’d pick over Marner
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- Опубликовано: 24 июн 2019
- The OverDrive guys revisit a debate from last week with Jonas Siegel and O-Dog weighing on comparing Mitch Marner to other like-players in the league and which you would want on your team for the next 8 years
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I finally figured it out. If you’re a former player, media is the best job to get into rather than management. Because if you’re wrong, you can still have a media job. If you’re wrong in management, you’re Peter Chiarelli.
Ray Finkle Chiarelli has won a cup, and got the tire fire oilers to there only playoffs in 13 years! You just hop on the social media bandwagon and bash a guy because everyone else is 😂
Chiarelli is being looked at for a job in Vancouver, so...
Media is about discussion and not about decisions. There's no accountability other than generating ratings.
@@guitarcovers5437 He signed some really shit contracts though, and traded Hall for Larsson...
@@are3287 Don't forget about the Seguin trade
It’s funny watching this 2 years on. ODog is right on every single one of these
He really is. Jonas Siegel is such a fanboy tool. Can't stand him.
I’d take marner over petterson, maybeeeee over pasta too because of this season but that’s really close.
4 years forward O-Dog is still bang on. Siegal doesn't know anything. Can O-Dog find his way to Leafs management under professional scouting?
@@isaacyoung2709you’re a tad wrong about pasta
Throw these guys out and just give this kind of spotlight to The Hockey Guy and the world would be better off
They would make him a spew a lot of the same garbage. Honestly I don’t believe he’d take it unless he was fully in control
who is the hockey guy
@@Rydal1 an unbiased perspective that doesn't constantly regurgitate useless information like these morons
Rydal1 the goat
stay off the crack Lokacrushh. 2 fomer nhlers have more knowledge than a hockey fan.
Id pick loui
man oneill makes this hard to watch lmao. why does this guy have a job, any time he's asked to explain anything he gets mad.
He's a joke
I'm actually going to defend Jeff and say this. Have these other two clown fan boys ever played? I'm not talking NHL. Any league in general. Jeff knows what it takes to be at that level. Debating on who to take disregarding salary cap. Inconsequential bs talk.
@@NeuroUMW thanks for pointing out Hayes and his time in OHL. He just comes across as a donkey.
he was a shit player and skater and somehow feels like he has all the answers.
guy on he left is way more fuckin annoying however
Like there are rookie analysts who have gone to school for broadcasting and sports schools who are extremely knowledgeable and intelligent and have something great to offer, and we are stuck listening to this toolbag who is Jeff O'neil.
O-dog is right..... centers and goal scorers get paid a premium and mitch marner is none of those.
It's not about who gets paid what. The question should have been "Who gives you a better chance to win?"
Ya so this aged well. At least for O’Dog. It’s actually Point that has another gear. It’s actually Point that is a “game breaker”. It’s Point!!!!
Rn it doesn't seem that way for O'Dog, lets see how it looks another 2 years down the line lol
@@ahmedm8981 point just eliminated matthews and marner in the playoffs while kuch was a ghost for 6 games . Point is way better
@@Gxhle Marner played his ass off...
O Dawg would probably take himself over Marner
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Forreal
I would take o dog over Marner
Nah, O'Dog is very honest about himself as a player. He admits that he was lazy defensively, and didn't really like practicing.
I can't wait until Marner signs so we can be done with it lol
We won't be done with it because then it will be a month of breaking down every little bit of contract minutiae
Watch him sign in Nashville and the collective toronto media's subsequent loss of shit
Ask Nylander if it was done when he signed. He is still getting ripped.
Mitch Marner has pissed off Leafs Nation and it will not be going away anytime soon.
mydogcujo truuuuuuue
@@MikeVT ... I really wished that I was wrong but... lol
Okay I'm lying, go ahead Jonas!
The O-Dog knows what he’s talking about, it’s disgusting how Marner wants $11M+.
Matthews was slightly overpaid but he is the face of the franchise. Batman and Robin shouldn’t get paid the same.
D 17
But if the going rate sees Skinner getting 9 million, why shouldn’t Marner get more than him?
Michael Fu I cant tell if you’re joking, if you’re not, if somebody wants to pay Skinner 9M it doesn’t mean I should overpay my guy by 2-3M. Marner should be 9.5M MAX! Nowhere even close to Matthews, McDavid, or anybody else making more than ten. Guess what it’s alright to say “YOU ARE NOT AS GOOD AS THEM!”
D 17
Well, you are right, I think Marner’s market value is around the 8.5-9.5 million dollar range realistically, but the thing is, lots of players this summer are demanding huge salaries. For example, Boeser wants 10 million per year at 8 years and Laine wants 15 million per year at 8 years. Players who aren’t as good as Mitch are demanding such high amounts, therefore we should not be surprised Marner wants the absolute maximum as well.
The 3rd guy is just a straight up homer 🤣🤣
"Nylander and Draisatl had the same stats when Draisatl signed!" .... Draisatl was literally coming off a 77 pt season and 16 pts in 13 playoff games. Nylanders career high to this day is 61 pts. No shit Draisatl's 9 pts in 37 gms as a teenager is going to bring down his final stats given he had just 2 full seasons at the time. Insane homer. Also acting like its absurd to pick Pastrnak who had 38 goals and 81 pts in 66 games this past year. But hes on that line! Yeah and Marner plays with fucking Tavares.
I totally agree, he picked Marner over Pastrnak based solely on a hypothetical situation, and totally made his line with Tavares sound like a scrub line by saying what he said, which we all know they're not. Not to mention, there were times last season where Bergeron wasn't there, or Pasta went down to the second line with Krejci and didn't lose a step. The dude is clearly a Marner fan, and just picks Marner over everyone else.
Every single player they named is better than Marner. Guys a complete moron.
Yes that's Jonas Siegel. He's a fanboy weiner.
Marner or Barkov? Barkov, let's move on. 😂
Not even a discussion!
It's great to see Sasha getting the recognition he deserves. Top 5 Centers in the league, no question.
FaintAcrobat id even take barkov over Matthews by a slight hair
FaintAcrobat McDavid, Crosby,Mackinnon, Bergeron and Malkin is Barkov better then any of those players?
Ryan B barkov over Malkin by a landslide!!!
Barkov shows up every night, can't say the same about Malkin. Bergeron was a ghost in the finals.
Lamar Martin barkov over malkin?? this season malkin had 12 more points than barkov in 11 less games
Point over Marner.
Kuch over Marner.
Marner over Laine.
Pasternak over Marner.
Draisaitl over Marner too. Drai keeps getting better 50g 55a and all 50g was with a goalie in the net
Jesse Martin good comment. I got a question. Rank those players in order you’d draft them. This is how I’d rank them.
First- Draisital
Second- Point
Third- Laine
Fourth- Cooch
Fifth- Pasty
@@redddawggg Kutch 4th? He is easily #1.
Bill Souza now he is. But he has finished six seasons in nhl to others only three. Tell me. Could you take Kuch back to his third season and his 60 points n still believe he is head n shoulders above the rest?
Jesse Martin Draisaitl is older isn’t he so obviously if he’s older he has developed more. Also, Draisaitl plays on a line with the best player in the league so... I agree with Barkov over Marner but I wouldn’t say Pasta, Point, or Aho over Marner
@@lucasbaldwin7817 most talent players play with a top guy. Just go look around NHL. It's been that forever.
Drai is 23 years old
jeff o'neill was so triggered. Just chill out man
too much nose candy
I personally find it hilarious. He gets asked one simple question and "You're right I'm lying". Its soooo funny. Just 0-100 in 1 second.
@@andrewsmythe1007 mapleleaf,Newsweek
Lmao
To be fair the other guy answering those questions is a moron.
How biased can that guy on the right be? Talk about living in his little Maple leaf bubble....
I don’t think Neil looked at Siegel once..even when he was talking to him lol. These guys must hate each other.
that was irritating to watch lool
Who’s Neil?
I can't believe you didn't ask Marner or Rantanen. Theyre the perfect comparison imo
yeah 6'5" goal scorer vs. 5'9'' playmaker, really perfect comparison.
@@bc1173 The perfect comparison as in both play right wing and are pretty much equal in what they bring to the team.
@@luukas2660 they bring completely different things, and are completely different players. that's like compariong alex ovechkin to marchand because they're both LW
@@bc1173 Again, my point is its hard pick to make. Wouldn't necessarily call Rantanen a goal scorer though, he did have 56 assists this past season.
Luukas Saarnio playing with the Mac Daddy
the dude in the middle has got an attitude. like chill
They missed the most obvious... Marner or Matthews.
jeff O'neils time of the month
I couldn't imagine being from a city with so much hockey passion and legitimate morons as their beat analysts. No wonder Toronto fans are so on edge all the time
There's nothing that O'neil said that is wrong here
Jonas has a man crush on Marner
Dude on the right couldn't even wear a Polo?
I love how now one talks about Mikko Rantanen in any of this, Colorado's top line was one of the best in the league and he was a big part of that.
I'd take Aho for 9.5 over Marner for 11
What about 8.5 for Aho?
Seriously though, I would take Aho for 11 over Marner for 9.5. Aho is twice the player he is. He pretty much carried Carolina to the conference final on his own. FFS look at who he was playing with! Nino who just isn't a first line forward in a play-off team and Williams who is fucking old as shit and it shows.
Those two doubled their points just by playing with Aho.
Aho goes against the opposition's top line day after day and pretty much outplays them every time. Aho's hockey IQ is off the charts.
Is the dude in the middle the limo driver from Blank Check?
Love O-dog's passion and his assessment's, everybody is always talking about how Marner helped Tavares have a career year when it was only by 2 points and 10 goals more. Who helped who more? They both helped each other
I rather have Pettersson more than Mariner.
Odog knows Petey is the shit. The other dude on the right is a tool.
Even strength points
Marner 73
Point 57
Pastrnak 48
Even strength goals
Marner 23
Point 21
Pastrnak 21
That says ALOT to me.
And why did they compare Marner to all these centres? I think people will always take the centre.
Where am I? Shitsfucked Pastrnak had an injury that took him out for awhile and he still posted good numbers. Plus he’s an easy to work with guy who isn’t concerned about money. I don’t follow Marner too closely but I don’t think he was out for injuries or anything so his number is fair for his ice time? I am only speaking on what I know.
How did this age
Keep up the good work O- Dog
I get that centermen probably plays the most vital role in the offence of a team but give me a break. How often do you see a winger with that much playmaking ability instead of just being a sniper being fed pucks? Yes there are a lot of other wingers that put up similar numbers, if not more, and finish plays more but that will happen for marner as we see him grow.
What do you guys think is a fair contract for both mitch and TOR?
A case of beer each game and whatever money is in Babcock's couch
9 5 x 8
@@cjmllvv 8 mil, 8 year imo
@@reasonablerage4370 hahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahaha
Who put this cast of characters together? Odd personalities, no chemistry and just plain awkward to watch! The guy on the right seems slow.
okay, this comparable is based on what player vs what player in a draft etc.. does the dynamic change if you say " what if these players were involved in a one for one trade"... how would the fans and the market react.. Marner straight up for Kucherov, or straight up for Pasta.. etc.. I am willing to bet the responses would change
This went on with Nylander. Marners a Leaf if an offer sheet hasn’t been tendered by now. They’re fighting over specifics in contract most likely:)
Dude on the right can’t make up his mind to save his life. Making a case for the player he isn’t even picking lol
One that they didn't do... Mitch Marner vs Mikko Rantanen
That's actually a tough one, unlike most of the comparisons in this video
Hard one but I'm taking Marner
Definitely taking Rantanen
That’s easy, rantanen been over a ppg past two seasons
Feel like this one is a case of what player type you need more, Marner brings more skill to the table and Rantanen brings more I guess you could say “power forward-ness” if that makes sense
We want Bardown quizzes
pathetic Toronto media. He was a super-hero 2 months ago. the greatest person in the history of history. The greatest player, and most wonderful human being in the world. Now he is becoming a villain.
@Ray W Matthews wasn't greedy. Pajamaboy wasn't greedy. but Marner is? oh...Leaf fans.
Why not debate him over someone his own play style which is Johnny hockey?
I love O-Dog
"yeah i'm Lying"
Dude gets so angry so fast.
Hes a cokehead
Why did the guy on the right scoff at Pastrnak? He scored 81 points in 66 games last year. For anyone counting that's a 122 point pace over 82 games. "How many would Marner score on that line? 110?" lol do the math bud.
I think he’s saying if they played the same amount of games he would score 110 and pasta 81. Clearly you are a Boston fan but they are very close skill wise and you could say either is better
@@lucasbaldwin7817 Lol what? He's saying Marner would score 110 in a full season, not 66 fucking games. But this dude's wrong anyways, 81 in 66 = 1.23 pts/game which equals 101 pts/season, so this comment is retarded anyways.
@@lucasbaldwin7817 I'm a Blues fan. I'm also a David Pastrnak fan. He doesn't get the respect he deserves. I totally agree with you that they are very close skill wise and you could say either is better. That's why I take issue with one guy saying "I'll take Pastrnak over Marner" and the other guy being totally dumbstruck that someone would say that.
I'd take B. Point over any other player in the game. He's insanely talented and willing to work with his team to win. Team guy and great player.
This aged poorly…
@@isaacyoung2709 How did this age poorly? He's an elite talent and 2x Stanley Cup Champion. He's having a good year. Plus his cap hit is much better than most.
People who hate the Leafs follow this because we love Marner, the player and the person. Not because we’re attracted to a “Leafs issue”.
Clicked only to find out who "O-Dog" was.
Andy Richter gets abrasive when asked hockey questions.
available forwards, who would you take over him?
also lmao at the dude taking Marner over Pastrnak. He mentioned how many points the Bergeron-March line would have if Marner was their third. How about this, how many more points would Tavares and Marleu have with Pastrnak? More for sure
Pastrnak is probably better cause he scores more goals but marner would get more points
thekillers1stfan
Pastrnak is a better goal scorer and he is more physical, but Marner is more dynamic. Marner has better skating, agility, vision, puck handling and creativity than the Bruins forward.
Holy O-Dog grumpy ... But spot on with assessments. The biggest problem with this crop of RFA's is they won't even listen to bridge deals anymore. They wanna hit the jackpot on their first deals after their ELC's. This of course, is the fault of the Leafs & Matthews deal.
It's not the fault of the Oilers with Draisaitl and then McDavid?
@@babayaga5392 and plenty other players even before MacDavid.
Marner or Rantanen ?
Rantanen , better defensively and throws a hit at least once a game
O'Neill is definitely right about Point. A 2 way Selke level center who scored 41 goals and 92 points? All day over Marner who is a winger who is poor defensively. Also Siegel saying Leon and Nylander had the same stats? Leon was coming off a 77 pt season and 16 pts in 13 playoff games. Nylander had a career high of 61 pts then. Such a dumb point. Obviously Draisatl's 9 pts in 37 games as a teenager is gonna bring down his career PPG when hes merely played 2 full seasons.
the one thing i find funny is to look back at McDavid and Eichel's draft class, where some ppl had Eichel going first at some point lol
Uh I don’t think that ever happend.... mcdavid was a lock at 1 two years before his draft
@@joshb517 nope, there were still talks months before the draft, the impression we get now is that he was the shit that long ago because we have access to the interviews and such
haha marner over Brayden Point.... Point is top 3 for two way forwards in the NHL. wtf is that guy smoking.
White owls
NHL needs more Canadian teams. 7 ain't enough.
Aho or Marner?
a vast majority of these comparisons, it's rarely Marner for me.. I understand these guys comparing regular season goals, points, etc.. For me, it's all about playoffs.. even the comparables are close but look at the playoffs.. you build your team for playoff success and Marner isn't carrying this team or his line in the post season... None of the Leafs core is doing much in the playoffs but I would far rather have lots of the comparibles over Marner..
Petterson is much better generational talent than Marner. One's on a stacked offensive Toronto team and the other is rookie on a rebuilding Vancouver team. They're both sensational, but I think Petterson has the potential to carry a franchise while Marner doesn't.
Ok , but don't cry when Pettersson signs a 10 year $120 Million deal .....after all he's better than Marner and we all know how much he's going to get.
@@everydaycarry1328 cant sign a 10 year deal
@@everydaycarry1328 But E.Pettersson is going to be worth it, he's capable of putting up 50 goals and 100+ points in his prime if he gets no injuries. And Marner is certainly a special winger sort of like Patrick Kane. He is going to be getting lots of money but not every team gets these type of players on wing, Toronto should be happy even if they overpay alittle. Personally I have Marner as the best player on the leafs in terms of pure talent
If Marners SMART he'll beat it out of LOSERVILLE 1967
Seth MacFarlane louie Anderson and seth green star in tsn overdrive the movie this summer
This is very funny to watch 1 year later and the only player Marner is better than is Laine
I like Marner I’ll say 7.5/8 he’s a good player but imo not in the same category like Matthews Mcdavid Kane...
If "ODog" was driving the bus Mitch would be eating the oil pan..... Just saying... "it's obvious".....but he's right....
mikko is the perfect comparable to marner but these fools have never watched an avs game till the kadri trade
This doesn't do anything for anyone. They're just having fun with themselves.
It's a 3 hour radio show. They're killing time
Gordon Graham stfu
"O-DOG" HAS NO CREDIBILITY. This guy said he would choose his boy MATTHEWS OVER MCDAVID BEFORE LOLLL
I only clicked on this bc I knew the comments would be classic.
lol O-Dog is spicy today
"O Dog makes a complete ass of himself"
- TSN
Legit tv personality. Load of crap!
As an Oilers fan Leon is a level above Marner for $2.5 million less... Marner is basically Nuge.
Do the same excersice about Mathews
The only problem with Marner is he decided to push for massive earnings. 11m is a MASSIVE chunk of the salary cap.
Could they have picked three guys with any less chemistry to do this?
Genius concept, TSN. A feel dumber for watching this.
These guys are hilarious. “Who would you rather have? A star center or a star forward?” And I love the fact that they immediately shut down the conversation that the market has changed.
One of the parameters was "salary is not a criterion"
Gordon Graham right, except they brought up the question about what the pay gap would be and didn’t want to hear the answer.
Matthew Doherty pay was another criterion not to be considered. It was supposed to be a player vs player comparison straight up.
tavares stands there and gets tap ins from marner. it's marner's line and he's been the best player on the team for 2 years. the guy deserves 11M but we live in a bullshit world where "wingers" aren't allowed more than 9M apparently. how many other teams are getting rid of their best player this summer? the raptors? at least it's not really a choice for them.
4:30 aged perfectly
if the player isn’t going to the leafs and money doesn’t matter wtf is the point of this? it’s like saying if you had your own team would you rather have marner or McDaViD aNd CrOsBy
How O-dog sat through that..... Marner 9.516 for 6 max.
I picked all the names mentioned over Marner.
O'niel is so pissed off at the these 2 hacks.
Man. Toronto pundits are dellusional. Pastrnak, point, Kucherov, Draisatl over Marner all day. Why is there a debate? Want hockey to grow? Get people less Toronto biased.
Good comment. I got a question. Rank those players in order you’d draft them.
First- Draisital
Second- Point
Third- Cooch
Fourth- Pasty
It's not a debate it's just fun to play these hypothetical situations. People love shitting on these guys for no reason. They picked most of those guys over Marner. How does that make them delusional?
Read comment above mine and watch the vid. Head ass
O-Dog's had it!
how does salary not come into play in this conversation?
Cause that's the game
if salary was in the competition, Pasta would be taken over everyone in the league
That's the point that they are trying to make, look only at skill and potential over the next eight years to figure out what Marner SHOULD make based on those other comparables.
@@G0inInDrY I'm not saying he isn't great, but I'd like to see his performance with a different line
Getzlaf and Perry
Laine and Schiefle
Domi and whoever his centre is
He'd still be worth more than his contract, but not as much
Christopher Martlin um not in reality.....the game IS salary!
did he just say the pastrnak line is the best line in the league?
Jeff o’neil was so fucking pissed 😂😂😂
Point>>>>>>>>Marner
Pettersson all day
If Leafs trade Marner to Flames, Tkachuk could center Matthews and Nylander.
Tavares would center Kapanen and Mangipane.
Leafs should see if Tkachuk is available.
What is Tkachuk asking it can't be more than Marner.
Flames have $7.7 million cap space.
Flames could send Bennet also to Leafs his salary $2.5 million.
Flames could also send Mangipane to Leafs.
This leaves Flames with over $10.2 million for Marner plus signing bonus.
Leafs send Sandin with another prospect.
Tkachuk signs with Leafs for 6 years $9 million.
Leafs should ask Calgary for a trade.Marner and Sandin plus another prospect, for Tkachuk, Bennet and Mangipane.
I love how O- Dog get so mad. He's legit my favorite guy
I don't think oneill is really triggered about marner its more the topic but he could just be constipated
The guy in the middle doesn’t lie well.
O-dog is thinking about the playoffs, not Jersey sales. I hope MM. Gets it together.
Why are they comparing marner to all these centers? The point that seems to tip their choice continues over and over that marner doesnt play center...okay then compare him to wingers and see who you pick..
Jesus Christ...... watching this makes me think that Marner is underrated....... wow
Probably never realized how good he was myself
Marner does not have another gear
Mitch . Remember there is Robidas island . Don't get greedy.
I feel like O'Neil's ready to fight.
Not that I disagree with all of these comparisons but it sure seems that marner is constantly under appreciated. He was the best player on the leafs last season, hes a player that drove that Tavares line all season and ofcourse tavares helps him a ton aswell but as a person who watched that line all 82 games there is no doubt that marner drove it all season long. People also seem to not notice that hes the best 2way forward on the team, his defensive play this season atleast deserved a selki nomination and I can definetly see heart and selki trophy nominations in his future. As much as I dont think he deserves the same money as Matthew's there is no question that so far he is the most consistent, hard working and constantly improving player on the team and aside from kucherov and scheiffele I take him over any of the players they mentioned any day of the week.
These guys conceded all those points you've made about Marner. Have you seen Point play for an entire season?
@@gordonbgraham yeah I admittedly dont watch every Tampa game but I know and have seen what point did last year and I agree that it's very close and hes a guy that I shouldn't have left out but hes put up less points than marner on an even richer offensive team , granted both play the pk and are very good two way players but point did not look godly until this season even thought the prior was also really good at 66 points but from the beginning of marners career you saw the elite playmaking ability that maybe 5 players in the entire league have ontop of everything else he does. So yeah it's very very close and obviously points a third round pick but I still think I take marner considering it's very very close I just think marners ceiling in terms of special skill is just a bit higher, I think that if people are calling point the next Bergeron which is a bit much if you ask me then I'd say marner is comparable (if not potentially even better) to that of datsyuk.
@@avekrso285 I agree with most of what you said, but I disagree with the marner/datsyuk comparison. datsyuk>marner hands down.
@@mikestevens3582 I mean I think the comparison is very accurate based on their size, the fact that both are amazing 2 way wings while having the ability to step into center, both are shifty and really offensively creative and highly skilled players. I mean they even call mitch the magician ;) I think you will agree more and more as marners career goes on