Who is your favourite character in Dune Part Two? I have to say that I really love every scene that Stilgar is in 🥰 Also, NO book spoilers, I'll be reading the books soon! Patreon (full length & polls): www.patreon.com/ Subscribe to the channel: ruclips.net/user/verowakreacts Follow me on Twitter for stuff and selfies: twitter.com/verowak
“Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives.” This was left out of the movie. It’s to bad because it is a very moving scene.
Rebecca Ferguson's portrayal of Jessica is Oscar worthy. Her transformation after drinking the water of life set the stage for everything in part 2. Keep in mind this movie was an adaptation and excellent, but it did not follow the book entirely. Many of your questions will be easily answered by reading the books.
There's only one scene where Stilgar doesn't leap up and cheer Paul when everyone else did. When Paul says "lead them to paradise" Stilgar remains kneeling next to Gurney as if the enormity of it all just hit him.
An interesting thing to note is that the breeding program of the Bene Gesserit was on the verge to be completed. Jessica was supposed to have a daughter and that daughter was supposed to marry Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen combining the bloodlines, making peace of the 2 houses and give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach but instead Jessica decided to bear a son bringing the Kwisatz Haderach a generation early.
Bringing peace wasn't part of it, it wouldn't be necessary to make a political alliance of any kind for her to become pregnant by Feyd, and the Bene Gesserit don't write their breeding program in bold letters for anyone to see by showing it in the official lineages of the Houses. Example: Jessica didn't know herself that she was daughter to the Baron. But otherwise, yes.
"I recognize your footsteps, Old Man." In the first movie, Paul says this upon his first encounter with a worm. The Fremen refer to a very old worm as The Old Man of The Desert, so when Paul said it in the first movie, it was a double-entendre, referring both to Gurney and to the worm.
i thought it was a reference to him and gurney fighting in the first movie doesnt paul say i could recognise you by your footsteps with his back turned
It's a nice idea, but the worm doesn't really have "footsteps" lol, it's most likely meant to exclusively be a callback and a way to show that Paul wasn't just in a drugged stupor, but HIGHLY aware at that moment.
In the book Paul and Chani were together for 5 years before the Emperor came to Dune And had lost a son to the Harkonnen. His sister was also born and was the one who actually killed the baron. Other items were time compressed for the movie but as a reader from the time it was first published I did not object.
“In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it.”
Yeah, he saw how Stilgar changed from his Fremen friend into a fanatic. I love the movies, and while things always have to be cut in the book to film transition, I think some of the choices definitely changed how the movie felt from the book, but I dint have any real gripes with the choices.
You have to remember that Paul's sister is the first unborn child to gain all the wisdom/power of the "water of life" which makes her unlike any other child.
Yes, this is an important plot point. Like Jessica, when Alia is exposed to the Water of Life she instantly gains all of the memories of her female ancestors, many of whom were Bene Gesserit adepts. So just as Jessica is a Reverend Mother and Paul is a male Reverend Mother, Alia is basically a pre-born Reverend Mother. This is what enables her to communicate to Jessica on an adult-to-adult basis.
She's not the first at all. The reason why there are so few children like Alia is because pre-born children are usually killed as soon as they're identified.
18:53 the voice isn't a magical power it's an ability to pitch your voice so that people respond without thinking. It is a voice of control or command. Sort of like how your dog would respond to you yelling at it without thinking.
As far as the other prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach, Paul is only tested to see if he was a possibility because he was there, but Jessica was never supposed to bear a male. She did it because she loved Leto and wanted to give him a son. The breeding program that the Bene Gesserit were conducting had been going on for a long time and had many branches.
@@VerowakReacts We learn a lot more in the books. The key point to keep in mind with respect to Paul is that the Bene Gesserit always assumed they would have the means to control the Kwisatz Haderach and use him as a tool to achieve their goals (which of course from their perspective would be a good thing for humankind). However Paul has succeeded in becoming "the One" and used his ability to see into the future to ascend to the imperial throne completely outside of their control, effectively stealing away the prize they've worked 90 generations to obtain. That unexpected outcome sets the stage for the next chapter in the story.
@@MongooseTales Mankind* Also Bene Geserit plan would never manage to work. It was doomed since the start of the program. Just simple common sense. It's impossible to control someone which has memories of all ancestors and all past events and can also see potential futures. No matter how long they expand their program, controling Kwisatz would be impossible.
I loved that, great improvisation by Austin Butler. The natural response from a young and handsome, and presumable heterosexual man being kissed by a lecherous old man, and his uncle no less, would be to recoil, shy away, or at the very best of his effort to just endure it. Feyd-Rautha instead doubles down, and kisses the Baron back, wholeheartedly and on the lips.
The Universal Standard Calendar, also known as the Imperial Calendar, is the standard measurement of time in the known universe. It centered around the founding of the Spacing Guild, which established a monopoly on all space travel, transport, and Imperial banking throughout the known universe, as the starting year. Story happens in 10191 AG (AG stands for After Guild). Btw, the year 10,191 AG corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D. That is, of course, assuming that the Dune chronology actually uses Earth years.
Paul's personality change is understandable. He has the memories of all the benegesserit from the past. Take the phrase "the things these eyes have seen" and multiply it a million times. Like transcendendant PTSD.
The narrow path you were referring to was what Paul saw in his vision of a blade when he fights Feyd Rautha. The author Frank Herbert wrote the story as a warning. I thought the director made that clear but left enough room for the audience to figure that out for themselves. Many people didn’t get it and thinks it’s a good thing for him to be a messiah. The book was a warning about following charismatic leaders. Which we still do today.
The narrow path is the one future where humanity survives. The fight with feyd is an infinitesimal part of that, and not at all what the term narrow path refers to.
@@sumelarwe will agree to disagree. Yes the narrow path has a wider meaning. I read the books too. But every scene that Villeneuve makes is a clue of what to come. The flashing image of a blade in Paul’s vision after drinking the water of life and Paul hand mimicking slicing through was him seeing how the fight was important for him to move forward. Villeneuve is keeping the audience focused on the storyline not what’s to come in the next books.
The water of life gives the daughter the same effects as the mother so the daughter now has full consciousness and reverend mother memories even in the womb. Should be fun in the next movie :)
the Bene Gesserit's plan was for jessica to have a daughter who was gong to be married too feyd and this pairing was meant to produce the Kwizatz Haderach
"I know your footsteps old man" is more of a world-building detail. In the first intance it showed Paul has been trained to be able to recognise people by the sound of their footsteps alone i.e. he could tell it wasn't someone else, or someone impersonating Gurney. And by extension it showed that political assassination is a detail of everyday life for Paul. It does function as a nice call-back though. Also the Voice is not like magic, it's like, after observing someone, figuring out what type of tone, accent, emotion, volume etc. you would have to put into a command to make them react without meaning to. Very simplified example, you realise someone is a mommy's boy, and you recognise from his accent and ethnicity what type of voice and way of speaking she would have had, and then mimic that so that he complies without consciously choosing to. So using it on a worm wouldn't work.
You're right, there is no truly good guy. In fact, Frank Herbert was disappointed that readers saw Paul Atreides as a hero. Paul is a complex character. Not necessarily a "villain" but he (like his father) was only a different kind of colonizer compared to the other houses. Yes, Paul fell in love with the Freman culture. But even though his visions revealed he would lead a holy war that killed billions, he chose that path anyway. Great reaction Verowak. Thank you.
He also saw him as a hero and made him like that. Frank Herbert was narcissist and self-contradicting and self-conflicting in his own delusional thinking. He was gaslighting readers of his own books and projecting.
She’s Princess Irulan. The Emperor’s daughter, one of his daughters. I think Walken was miscast, he would’ve made a good Emperor if this movie was made in the 1980s - 1990s. But in 2024 he is too old. The books says that although a man in his 70s, The Padishah Emperor has the look of a man in his mid-thirties due to Spice intake-The Spice extends life and enhances health.
2:44 Hello Verowak, I am Frensh and live in north east of France. I was "born" with Star wars (1977) and especially with the Empire strike back. As a chid I was so impressed and inspired that I drew comic strips imagining the continuation of these films with the same characters... But for me Dune 1 and 2 from Denis Villeneuve- I have seen that one of David Lynch (1984) a baroque style and also more crazy and violent which makes it difficult to watch again for me despite its obvious artistics qualities ... But these 2 films from Villeneuve are quite simply the ultimate films of a life. The staging of Villeneuve , the music, the photo, the casting , the delivery of the actors, the characters of the books .. Every thing is there it's wonderful. I found the first one more "spectacular" because from planets to planets it appears less linear that the second one (differents universes) and the photo is more various and distracting but in the second one you have scenes that will mark the history of the cinema...😀😀 My opinion.
It's been years but I believe the line about recognizing Gurney Hallack's footsteps was in the book and yet did not come back later. However, it was less out of nowhere in the book (it led into a whole discussion about how Paul shouldn't have his back to the door, there could be assassins around, and sort of set up the dangerous political situations and how Paul is kind of a badass but also more cocky and naive than he should be), and it also didn't involve the callback with the worm in the first movie. That second use of it sets you up to expect a third one (rule of threes). It was also more casual - "I recognize your footsteps old man" is a memorable phrasing, whereas iirc the original was more like "you shouldn't sit with your back to the door" "I knew it was you, I recognized your footsteps" "someone could have mimicked them" etc. The movie still set up the contrast between the dangerous situation and Paul's attitude in that same scene with Gurney, but did it through action instead, while also mixing in exposition about shields, Gurney's past, and Harkonnens. People have also pointed out that the Paul/Gurney fight ends the same way as the Paul/Feyd Rautha fight. So it's a pretty dense scene in retrospect. While we're talking about Gurney and previous versions of this story, a fun detail in this movie is when Gurney first appears he's playing a tune on his stringed instrument - that tune is the music from the early 90s Dune 2 video game.
A point about Rabban's quick and easy death. One thing that is explicitly shown in the first movie, but most people miss... The Harkonnen have a numbers advantage over the Atreides, but they suck at warfare. Or rather, the Atreides were much better trained. Gurney led the troops during the invasion and were pushing the Harkonnen back until the Sardukar reinforced them. The Emperor's troops made all the difference. So when Gurney, a Weapons Master, finally finds Rabban... it's not even a contest.
Yep. As Kynes told us in Part 1, shields draw worms and drive them into a killing frenzy. So the Fremen never use them, and the Harkonnens and Sardaukar fighting on Arrakis minimize their use as well. The Emperor's ship was shielded, but once the Atreides family atomics were used to destroy the Shield Wall, the sandstorm was able to enter the Arrakeen basin (along with the worms) and its static electricity stripped away the shield.
Paul is definitely antihero and a complex character he’s not a simple hero or a villain regarding his change I’m pretty sure if anyone can see the past and future he would also change
Yeah, the story of Dune was meant to serve as a caution against messiah figures and blindly following them. Regarding the daughter, in the book she was actually born well before the final battle. Because she also ingested the Water of Life, her mind is fully developed and is as powerful as Jessica's. There was just no way to properly show it in the movie. Having a 3 or 4 yr old child with the intelligence and abilities of a fully grown Bene Gesserit would have probably come off as cartoonish. That's why they showed Alia being unborn but still able to communicate with Paul and Jessica. If you actually want to see a child Alia, check out the Dune film from the 80's. The cartoonish aspect of it definitely fits better in that film.
That's because Frank Herbert said with his narcissistic quotes... He was pseudo-moralist and pseudo-intellectual, Herbert himself was drowned in his own bias.
In the book, Paul knows there is a keyword he can use to shut down Feyd Rautha, be he refuses to use it in their fight. He kills him fair and square. (In the book, Feyd tries to cheat with a poison needle in his belt but that's not in the movie.)
Hit the nail on the head when you said there's no purely good guy. That's definitely a theme in the books. The film is a bit less subtle about it though, with the emphasis on the whole "We need to convert the non-believers" thing. I thought that storyline was a bit overplayed, I'd much preferred them to show it rather than state it so upfront and out loud. In relation to Paul's sister, I think the book explains it better, and it does the end quite a bit differently. Personally, I think much better, but I won't spoil that for you. All I'll say is they weren't in as much of a rush, so they could take the time to show more of the politics of the universe at the beginning, and more of Paul's growth as a Fremen. After I first saw part 2, I thought they could've cut it differently and made the story closer to the book without adding much to the runtime of both films, but now I think the only way would've been to do three films. In any case, the "part 3" film you mentioned will actually be the second book, Dune Messiah, since the first two films cover the first book. One scene I liked in this film was when Paul was hiding under the sand, and the little mouse came to say hi. And when he earned his name, he chose that little mouse, like it brought him luck. It mirrors the scene in the first film when he climbs up from the stilltent under the sand, and he turns to see the little mouse. But the fight scene between Paul and Feyd-Rautha at the end was my favourite. He had to make Feyd believe he'd won, so that he'd leave himself open for Paul's final strike. It also mirrors the first film, the scene where Paul fights Gurney Halleck, he makes what he believes would've been the winning blow, but he left himself open to Gurney's knife. "Aye, but look down, m'lord, you'd have joined me in death!" Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the films, I hope you enjoy the book just as much! It is a bit dense at the start, but well worth it. You've seen the films, so you won't have to refer to the appendix for the definition of terms quite as much.
"I wonder if she has more powers than the voice?" 😅 Not in this version so much, but in the book Lady Jessica is one of the most bad@ss characters. As a fully trained Bene Gesserit she possesses The Voice, prana bindu body control (how she purifies the poison, ensured Paul was a boy, etc), and the Weirding Way. The Weirding Way is basically super fast movement by extreme body control, mild prescience, and possible time dilation/spatial manipulation via spice. It's how no one would get past Jessica in Part 1, and presumably how she gets behind the Harkonnen to rock his world (though the only mention of it in Denis' Dune is one line at the end of Part 1😅) To see it depicted properly in media, seek out Frank Herbert's Dune, the early 2000s SciFi (now SyFy) mini-series. It's extremely book accurate, still has a shorter run time than 21+24, and cheap 2000s cgi aside is my favorite adaptation.
Paul's shift into the Kwizatz Haderach is exactly the figure the Fremen need. They are hard, fierce and honorable people and require a hard, fierce and commanding figure befitting their view of a warrior-Messiah. Also, consider how much you would change if you knew when you will die, when your mother and Chani and your children will all die. So many friends will perish and super hard decisions as a war leader must be made. You notice that when Paul said he would take Irulan's hand, he said she would remain safe. She will be a political hostage and not really a wife other than a consolidation of the Imperial power. As powerful as Paul appears, be is the scion of both House Atreides and House Harkonnen now, he can claim power over both houses and with his power over the spice he is truly now the most powerful human in the galaxy. Not an easy burden to bear.
Actually, there's a excellent argument to be made for Paul being the worst thing to happen for the Fremen. Without him, they would have terraformed the planet by themselves.
Paul is really not the hero or a hero....He is a cautionary tale that tells you to be careful about powerful charismatic figures as Frank Herbert said "they are bad for your health"
Villeneuve who produced this one, will also be producing a movie based on the Book by Annie Jacobsen 'Nuclear War: A Scenario" which should be interesting. If you have time some of the Villeneuve interviews about Dune 1 & 2 on RUclips are worth watching for how he made a lot of it, and backstory etc. It is great to see Dune getting the attention and produciton it deserves. There is a lot of influence from Dune in Star Wars, and that is whole other rabbit hole to go down as far as where Geroge Lucas got ideas from and similarities to Dune.
Greig Fraser used Unreal engine to visualize some of the shots in pre-production, I think that's a neat idea. Also they filmed during a real eclipse! I liked the first movie a lot but this movie blew me away in IMAX so I went twice. I love Stilgar in every scene too, Javier Bardem is amazing.
Definitely a movie to be viewed in IMAX, and fortunately it will probably be re-released at some point so that folks who missed it the first time around (including a lot of RUclips reactors!) can see it the way it was meant to be seen.
To use the voice you need to have a deep understanding of the target and pitch your voice exactly so you can influence the target. That's why Bene Gessrit don't use it all the time, you need to hear and deeply understand the person. Also, if they use it all the time, it will create distrust on them, so they treat it as a hidden weapon, to be used sparingly on unspecting targets
The ultimate point of the Dune novels is that the "Great Man" of history is almost always a terrible disaster for the people living in the time of the Great Man. Paul is the protagonist, but he isn't a hero, he isn't a good guy. He isn't as perverse and cruel as the Harkoneen, but he is still ruthless. He still kills and destroys in a quest for power, because he must. He does what he has to do to survive and free the people of Arrakis, and that means empire wide war, with all the death and horror that entails.
Paul is the hero. It was Jessica’s love for Leto that made her go against the Bene Gesserit and have a son instead of a daughter to fulfill their “prophecy”. So she decided to hijack the prophecy and use Paul to really make a difference. Paul being trained by his mother in the skills of the Bene Gesserit but with the morals of his father Leto. The Bene Gesserit prophecy was to instill someone they could control, but Paul couldn’t be controlled. And Paul freed the Fremen and will actually bring a green paradise to Dune. And the Golden Path he sets humanity on will save humanity from extinction (even though billions die in the jihad).
What Mom, and by extension, the Bene Gesserit, don't get is that while they may in some capacity intend to amplify legends or prophecy that they believe will likely come to pass, their own meddling is inadvertently an important influence. The highest levels, of course, know this. But, they still can't help themselves. It's like mentats, of which there are many Bene Gesserit, who are extremely precise mathematicians, they use game theory (see the Nash equilibrium), or something even more advanced, to predict and create the future, at the same time. As for "the daughter", that's Alyea. She's... different.
Thanx so much for this fun reaction Verowak! "TheVoice" does not work the way you think it does... And you're a tad confused on other details, though were VERY prescient on several very important points too. Reading the book will straighten things out, and for the next film, the second book, DuneMessiah.
380 million liters, divided by 5 liters per person, comes out as 76 million people. Probably doesn't drain 100% of the water, so probably more like 100 million people actually.
The Fremen don't only collect water from their dead. There's an extensive network of windtraps that not only supply water to meet the basic needs of the Fremen but also supply water to their caches. That's one reason we get a short scene of Chani explaining the working of a windtrap to Paul.
The book had a huge timeskip at the end of Dune Part One, for this part Alia was already like 6 years old. The problem is, it is impossible to cast a 6 year old girl, that can act well enough, to conver that she has both the knowledge and experience of a thausond lifetimes (that's what happened when Jessica drank the Waters of Life, BOTH where given all the memories) ^^* So they cut the timejump and opted for this version on Alia instead.
Thanks for this review! My favorite character is Chani, hands down. From the first film I'd choose Duke Leto Atreides. Perceptive point about there not really being any good guys (I'd say except Chani.) One of the themes Frank Herbert wanted to emphasize was the danger of cults of personality and charismatic populist leaders. Paul is changed, not for the better, both by the Water of Life and by power itself. In a way it feels Shakespearean - the protagonist struggling to escape his inevitable destiny. I think you'll love the books, too.
Out of all the reactors that I like and respect, I was REALLY looking forward to your reaction to this ground-breaking two-film series of the novel, Dune. I was amazed at how much of part 1 you understood correctly (not an easy task), and just as amazed in your reaction to part 2. And yes, you can now read Frank Herbert's first novel and see the changes Denis made (almost all for the better). It was suppose to be a seven-novel series (Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) followed by a stand-alone (God Emperor of Dune) that takes place during a 3.5 thousand year reign of Leto II. Sadly, the ending trilogy was cut short because of Frank Herbert's untimely death (pulmonary embolism after pancreatic cancer surgery). His two final Dune novels were Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune (yes, I've read all six; Dune 5 times over the decades, and I've read Children of Dune twice (my second favorite). All others I have read once, but really did like Heretics of Dune and will probably read it again soon. As far as the 1985 film, for me personally it was a major disappointment (absolutely the wrong director for the job and complete studio interference doomed it to a mess). It had an ending that left me walking out of the theater pretty angry. The Sci-Fi mini-series followed the novel the best, but lacked in many areas, especially the ridiculous costume design of the Sardaukar. The Sci-Fi mini-series, Children of Dune (actually a combination of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) was much better directed and I enjoyed it quite a bit, even though it failed on several levels as well (obviously budget was a concern for both mini-series). I look forward to finding out how you liked Dune the novel.
Your doubts about Paul are *exactly* the point Frank Herbert was making. How should we feel about this “Messiah” who has actual powers and seems well-intentioned but has now started a potential holy war on behalf of himself? The lesson is to question power and our tendency to “slavishly submit” to charismatic leaders.
Hey Verowak! Awesome reaction. I would recommend seeing in IMAX if you get the chance as I'm sure they'll rerelease it again. I watched it 5 times in IMAX and it was probably the best cinema experience I've ever had. Also, on the Warner Brothers Entertainment RUclips channel, are a lot of very interesting cast interviews, behind the scenes and lore videos. They have Dune and Dune Part Two playlists of these videos on that channel that I'm sure you'll love watching.
I seriously hope Denis Viuellmeuve (or however you spell it :P) does make Dune: Messiah.. they cant stop here its too damn good and I need MORE DAMNIT!!!! :D
I hope we get to see the Bene Tleilax Face Dancers in the next movie. In regards to his visions; he wasn't supposed to kill Jamis. He was supposed to be Paul's friend and mentor. Paul regrets it and in the books, looks into that future so he can feel Jamis' friendship.
I could explain all scenes, why and how but looks like you dont wanna know until you read the books. So I am just gonna enjoy your beautiful mimics as always.
The films don’t strictly follow the book(s). Bothered me in the first film, but not so much here (early 60’s dialog would have sounded stilted with all the additional characters). Chani gets Paul’s love in the books-the marriage to the emperor’s daughter is in name only. Haven’t reread the books since the 70’s, so memory has faded. Slightly annoyed that we have to wait years for part 3.
I would identify Paul as a reluctant, tragic hero. I could go into detail of this, but I've already typed out and deleted paragraphs in explanation. He tried his best NOT to fall into the Bene Gesserit religious propaganda, and to thwart his role in their eugenics program. But in the end, his vision wasn't clear enough for him to effectively navigate all of the external factors that eventually forced him to play directly into role.
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The unborn daughter is preborn. Which means she has awakened and has all the memories of past reverand mothers. But not her own sekf. If they are born they are normally killed at birth. As the Bene Gesserit consider them abominations. So Jessica can actually talk to her unborn daughter and when she is born she can instanly talk.
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So many things you state come from a poor ending which didn't meet the book and how the book worked things out. In the book, things did not happen so fast. Also, in the book, it shows how Paul gains power -- the Spacing Guild is threatened by Paul and if he didn't do what they wanted, they knew Paul would destroy society as they knew it. And so the Emperor was forced to a prison planet. And Chani and Paul already had one child, and yes, Chani knew Paul's plan, and though not happy about some aspects of it, agreed to it.
4:00 All bene gesserit have extensive prana bindu training (which Jessica taught to Paul), advanced control of all muscles and nerves. This includes the ability to prolong life to an extreme degree, although they don’t actually use that. And also the internal alchemy depicted later in this movie.
5:50 They can just purify the water by evaporating, distillation. I’m sure they’ve got plenty of solar and nuclear energy. They’re not low-tech barbarians.
16:03 Chani’s father, the Imperial ecologist Liet Kynes, had big plans for turning Arrakis green again. That’s why the Fremen are gathering and storing water. It’s also not true that they never use of the stored water. They have a water economy and can use coins to withdraw from the reservoirs, or get coins if they deposit. After Paul kills Jamis in the duel, he’s given coins equal to how much water was extracted from the body. He then asks Chani to hold the coins for him, which turns out to be a romantic thing in Fremen culture.
17:17 Millions of people dying on a galactic scale would be trivial. That’d be like one dead person for every colonised solar system, or even much less than that. Trillions, now that would be horror! And a galaxy-wide war, especially a holy war (a jihad), likely will cause extreme suffering for trillions.
That's according to one of the prequel novels co-authored by Frank Herbert's son. And the explanation is biological, not magic. However I've never fully accepted it because it wasn't mentioned in any of Herbert's writings. I prefer the notion, implied by Herbert, that the Baron's immense weight is a consequence of his own choices to indulge his excessive appetites (not only for food but also for other bodily pleasures).
Hi Verowak, I saw Dune Part 2 with my son in theater 4DK. My first experience in 4DK was with John Wick 4. During the fight scenes, I thought a very, VERY angry big guy was sitting behind me, kicking the back of my seat so hard it hurt! I looked at my son who was laughing and enjoying the movie. He had turned off the 4DK in his seat. When the grandfather sandworm appeared the theater started to shake. My seat started bucking like a wild horse trying to throw me off. It just got more violent as the worm got closer. I reached for my son, concerned for his safety. He was laughing so hard, enjoying the sensations. We both let go of our seats, raised our arms, raised our feet off the floor. We rode the worm with Paul! The theater started shaking like it was about to tear itself apart. The soundtrack was deafening beyond belief. As Paul stood up and rode the worm, it was as if the theater was crashing all around us. My son and I was just screaming with joy as we ‘rode’ the worm! It was an incredible exhilarating experience!
Dune is meant to be a deconstruction of the chosen one narrative. The Attreides look like the classic good guys, but in the end they aren't that different. Paul is literally a Harkonnen. The Prophecy isn't really a prophecy, it's a plan, and it's not naturally inevitable, though it seems like it because a chain of people intentionally act to make it happen. It's called a prophecy as a manipulative way to make it self-continuing. And when Paul ascends and takes on the role of Lisan Al-Gaib, that's when he "fails" his battle against control and loses his own agency. Paul looks like he is saving the Fremen, but in the end he's using them for his own purposes..
He actually can see the future. He actually frees the Fremen from oppression. He actually turns Dune into a paradise. He actually saves humanity from extinction. He is the hero. The author of dune didn’t understand that what he wrote was a hero and spent the rest of his life trying to deconstruct his own story.
@@HanselLeiderhosen He sees potential futures that are equally real depending on what choices are made. That means they aren't inevitable and never were, and there is a self-serving bias to his decisions.
@@Mikearice1 and all of them except 1 led to the extinction of the human species. So again it’s not “self serving” it’s by definition selfless because he gives up his free will to lead us onto a path where humanity survives and grows, instead of stagnates and dies.
Well Atredies were the good guys. Paul was last Atreide, since Atredies went extinct. Prophecy was both plan, but for other sides prophecy, because even prophecy is plan. Like everything else in the planet. You go into the shopping is already part of the plan. Also he did not fail his battle against control. That is only in the movie. In the book he wanted to be Lisan since instantly after he became Fremen.
@@Mikearice1 Future that he chose is however inevitable, but other potential futures that he did not chose were already avoided and not inevitable. Every leader and even Messiah has biases. Doesn't make them non messiah.
Book > Part 2 > Part 1. Can't wait for Dune: Messiah. Also, quick explanation of "the voice"; It is all based on extreme powers of observation and knowledge of personal psychology by the BG sisterhood, allowing them to say the right thing in the right way to cause people they are familiar enough with to act instinctively, so no, they could not use it on the worms.
The way you expressed yourself by also crossing your arms with everything Paul was doing after drinking the water of life is also how I felt - bitter sweet. Good that he was looking for revenge, but bad that he was looking for revenge.
The Water of Life would be lethal to untrained people, period, a trained man in the ways of the Bene Gesserit could survive just as much as a woman from the Sisterhood. Bene Gesserit also relies on sexual seduction to achieve their genetic bloodlines crossing program as well as controlling their "prospects" Jessica knows about other prospects but in her own hubris she wants her own son to be The One... Not said in the movie, Paul is supposed to keep Chani as concubine and share his bed only with her. The Princess shall remain childless.
At this point other prospects would have 0 difference. It's impossible to control something that has memories of every single ancestor thousands of years and maintains seeing past and future. It's just impossible to control. Bene Geserit prospect was doomed since the start.
Who is your favourite character in Dune Part Two? I have to say that I really love every scene that Stilgar is in 🥰
Also, NO book spoilers, I'll be reading the books soon!
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“Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives.” This was left out of the movie. It’s to bad because it is a very moving scene.
Rebecca Ferguson's portrayal of Jessica is Oscar worthy. Her transformation after drinking the water of life set the stage for everything in part 2. Keep in mind this movie was an adaptation and excellent, but it did not follow the book entirely. Many of your questions will be easily answered by reading the books.
Would be interested to hear your views on the book when you finish it.
There's only one scene where Stilgar doesn't leap up and cheer Paul when everyone else did. When Paul says "lead them to paradise" Stilgar remains kneeling next to Gurney as if the enormity of it all just hit him.
Chani
"My name is Paul Atreides. You killed my father. Prepare to die" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was top-notch, LOL.
He should have delivered it like that too
It even has s Princess Bride in it!
An interesting thing to note is that the breeding program of the Bene Gesserit was on the verge to be completed. Jessica was supposed to have a daughter and that daughter was supposed to marry Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen combining the bloodlines, making peace of the 2 houses and give birth to the Kwisatz Haderach but instead Jessica decided to bear a son bringing the Kwisatz Haderach a generation early.
Bringing peace wasn't part of it, it wouldn't be necessary to make a political alliance of any kind for her to become pregnant by Feyd, and the Bene Gesserit don't write their breeding program in bold letters for anyone to see by showing it in the official lineages of the Houses. Example: Jessica didn't know herself that she was daughter to the Baron. But otherwise, yes.
"I recognize your footsteps, Old Man." In the first movie, Paul says this upon his first encounter with a worm. The Fremen refer to a very old worm as The Old Man of The Desert, so when Paul said it in the first movie, it was a double-entendre, referring both to Gurney and to the worm.
Beat me to it. 😁
Alia is a reverend mother without training because she is a fetus, and she can speak to Jessica.
Yes. Worm-Sign. And get me outta here, Gurney Halleck.
i thought it was a reference to him and gurney fighting in the first movie doesnt paul say i could recognise you by your footsteps with his back turned
It's a nice idea, but the worm doesn't really have "footsteps" lol, it's most likely meant to exclusively be a callback and a way to show that Paul wasn't just in a drugged stupor, but HIGHLY aware at that moment.
"Use the voice" "Use the voice" "Use the voice"
Paul: (in voice) "Stop telling me to use the voice"
In the book Paul and Chani were together for 5 years before the Emperor came to Dune And had lost a son to the Harkonnen. His sister was also born and was the one who actually killed the baron. Other items were time compressed for the movie but as a reader from the time it was first published I did not object.
“In that instant, Paul saw how Stilgar had been transformed from the Fremen naib to a creature of the Lisan al-Gaib, a receptacle for awe and obedience. It was a lessening of the man, and Paul felt the ghost-wind of the jihad in it.”
Yeah, he saw how Stilgar changed from his Fremen friend into a fanatic. I love the movies, and while things always have to be cut in the book to film transition, I think some of the choices definitely changed how the movie felt from the book, but I dint have any real gripes with the choices.
🤣 the moment they kiss, you with shocked face "dont give up your body moisture!"
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Clearly conserving moisture isn't THAT important 😁
You have to remember that Paul's sister is the first unborn child to gain all the wisdom/power of the "water of life" which makes her unlike any other child.
Yes, this is an important plot point. Like Jessica, when Alia is exposed to the Water of Life she instantly gains all of the memories of her female ancestors, many of whom were Bene Gesserit adepts. So just as Jessica is a Reverend Mother and Paul is a male Reverend Mother, Alia is basically a pre-born Reverend Mother. This is what enables her to communicate to Jessica on an adult-to-adult basis.
She's not the first at all. The reason why there are so few children like Alia is because pre-born children are usually killed as soon as they're identified.
Rebecca Ferguson is such a good pseudo-villain in this movie. She’s so scary
Also watching this in imax was an insane experience, emotional even.
She is!! I love her in this role!!
I'm a bit conflicted on this because in the book Jessica is basically the main character and not a villain at all.
@@fnx427 Villeneuve has made quite a few changes that make the books more palatable. It’s fine
@@crispy_338 She was never villain, neither in the books nor movies.
@@fnx427 Paul was the main character in the books.
18:53 the voice isn't a magical power it's an ability to pitch your voice so that people respond without thinking. It is a voice of control or command. Sort of like how your dog would respond to you yelling at it without thinking.
As far as the other prospects for the Kwisatz Haderach, Paul is only tested to see if he was a possibility because he was there, but Jessica was never supposed to bear a male. She did it because she loved Leto and wanted to give him a son. The breeding program that the Bene Gesserit were conducting had been going on for a long time and had many branches.
I hope the books expand on Jessica and the Bene Gesserit
@@VerowakReacts We learn a lot more in the books. The key point to keep in mind with respect to Paul is that the Bene Gesserit always assumed they would have the means to control the Kwisatz Haderach and use him as a tool to achieve their goals (which of course from their perspective would be a good thing for humankind). However Paul has succeeded in becoming "the One" and used his ability to see into the future to ascend to the imperial throne completely outside of their control, effectively stealing away the prize they've worked 90 generations to obtain. That unexpected outcome sets the stage for the next chapter in the story.
@@MongooseTales Mankind* Also Bene Geserit plan would never manage to work. It was doomed since the start of the program. Just simple common sense. It's impossible to control someone which has memories of all ancestors and all past events and can also see potential futures. No matter how long they expand their program, controling Kwisatz would be impossible.
Fun fact : the first kiss between the Baron and Feyd-Rautha was in the script, The second kiss was improvised by Austin Butler.
Baron was a peedo so…
I loved that, great improvisation by Austin Butler. The natural response from a young and handsome, and presumable heterosexual man being kissed by a lecherous old man, and his uncle no less, would be to recoil, shy away, or at the very best of his effort to just endure it. Feyd-Rautha instead doubles down, and kisses the Baron back, wholeheartedly and on the lips.
Cool fact!
@@phj223 And his look after the kiss, almost looking at the camera. What an insane actor... 👏
He woke up that morning and chose violence.
The Universal Standard Calendar, also known as the Imperial Calendar, is the standard measurement of time in the known universe.
It centered around the founding of the Spacing Guild, which established a monopoly on all space travel, transport, and Imperial banking throughout the known universe, as the starting year. Story happens in 10191 AG (AG stands for After Guild).
Btw, the year 10,191 AG corresponds to the year 23,352 A.D. That is, of course, assuming that the Dune chronology actually uses Earth years.
Paul's personality change is understandable. He has the memories of all the benegesserit from the past.
Take the phrase "the things these eyes have seen" and multiply it a million times.
Like transcendendant PTSD.
No, I'm not going to text you on telegram.
As a male, he also has all his male ancestors' memories too. Paul in addition is a mentat.
Rabban turned out to be the living embodiment of all show and no go!
I've never seen a character that seemed somewhat important lose so quickly lol
Yes. It shows how despite how strong he looks, in the end he was defeated by his own insecurities. And in the end he wasn’t all that tough after all.
I felt bad for Rabban. He had the most stressful job in the universe.
When Jessica took the water of life with her daughter within, the daughter as well, became a Reverend Mother!
The narrow path you were referring to was what Paul saw in his vision of a blade when he fights Feyd Rautha. The author Frank Herbert wrote the story as a warning. I thought the director made that clear but left enough room for the audience to figure that out for themselves. Many people didn’t get it and thinks it’s a good thing for him to be a messiah. The book was a warning about following charismatic leaders. Which we still do today.
The narrow path is the one future where humanity survives. The fight with feyd is an infinitesimal part of that, and not at all what the term narrow path refers to.
@@sumelarwe will agree to disagree. Yes the narrow path has a wider meaning. I read the books too. But every scene that Villeneuve makes is a clue of what to come. The flashing image of a blade in Paul’s vision after drinking the water of life and Paul hand mimicking slicing through was him seeing how the fight was important for him to move forward. Villeneuve is keeping the audience focused on the storyline not what’s to come in the next books.
The water of life gives the daughter the same effects as the mother so the daughter now has full consciousness and reverend mother memories even in the womb. Should be fun in the next movie :)
the Bene Gesserit's plan was for jessica to have a daughter who was gong to be married too feyd and this pairing was meant to produce the Kwizatz Haderach
Emphasis on “was” 🙃
"I know your footsteps old man" is more of a world-building detail. In the first intance it showed Paul has been trained to be able to recognise people by the sound of their footsteps alone i.e. he could tell it wasn't someone else, or someone impersonating Gurney. And by extension it showed that political assassination is a detail of everyday life for Paul. It does function as a nice call-back though.
Also the Voice is not like magic, it's like, after observing someone, figuring out what type of tone, accent, emotion, volume etc. you would have to put into a command to make them react without meaning to. Very simplified example, you realise someone is a mommy's boy, and you recognise from his accent and ethnicity what type of voice and way of speaking she would have had, and then mimic that so that he complies without consciously choosing to. So using it on a worm wouldn't work.
You're right, there is no truly good guy. In fact, Frank Herbert was disappointed that readers saw Paul Atreides as a hero. Paul is a complex character. Not necessarily a "villain" but he (like his father) was only a different kind of colonizer compared to the other houses. Yes, Paul fell in love with the Freman culture. But even though his visions revealed he would lead a holy war that killed billions, he chose that path anyway.
Great reaction Verowak. Thank you.
He also saw him as a hero and made him like that. Frank Herbert was narcissist and self-contradicting and self-conflicting in his own delusional thinking. He was gaslighting readers of his own books and projecting.
The worms my fav. lol, great reaction, I believe DUNE III is in the works. The daughter is born with all bene gesserit powers.
Remember that earlier in the movie.. Paul says that he sees that Chani eventually comes around.
Javier Bardem should win an Oscar for his performance as Stilgar
Dune is the first time I've seen him in a movie and I really like him!! He was so natural and amazing
@@VerowakReacts Sounds like you need to watch No Country for Old Men!
@@FrshChees91omg yes
And Rebecca Ferguson as Jessica.
A point they didn't make very clear is that the atomics were used to open rock wall that served as a natural barrier to keep out the worms.
She’s Princess Irulan. The Emperor’s daughter, one of his daughters.
I think Walken was miscast, he would’ve made a good Emperor if this movie was made in the 1980s - 1990s. But in 2024 he is too old.
The books says that although a man in his 70s, The Padishah Emperor has the look of a man in his mid-thirties due to Spice intake-The Spice extends life and enhances health.
2:44 Hello Verowak,
I am Frensh and live in north east of France.
I was "born" with Star wars (1977) and especially with the Empire strike back.
As a chid I was so impressed and inspired that I drew comic strips imagining the continuation of these films with the same characters...
But for me Dune 1 and 2 from Denis Villeneuve- I have seen that one of David Lynch (1984) a baroque style and also more crazy and violent which makes it difficult to watch again for me despite its obvious artistics qualities ...
But these 2 films from Villeneuve are quite simply the ultimate films of a life.
The staging of Villeneuve , the music, the photo, the casting , the delivery of the actors, the characters of the books ..
Every thing is there it's wonderful.
I found the first one more "spectacular" because from planets to planets it appears less linear that the second one (differents universes) and the photo is more various and distracting but in the second one you have scenes that will mark the history of the cinema...😀😀
My opinion.
Alia being conscious and able to communicate with Jessica, is because of the Water of Life.
Seriously, you are the only person to really understand the story. So refreshing when someone pays attention and has such a great memory. Bravo.
It's been years but I believe the line about recognizing Gurney Hallack's footsteps was in the book and yet did not come back later. However, it was less out of nowhere in the book (it led into a whole discussion about how Paul shouldn't have his back to the door, there could be assassins around, and sort of set up the dangerous political situations and how Paul is kind of a badass but also more cocky and naive than he should be), and it also didn't involve the callback with the worm in the first movie. That second use of it sets you up to expect a third one (rule of threes). It was also more casual - "I recognize your footsteps old man" is a memorable phrasing, whereas iirc the original was more like "you shouldn't sit with your back to the door" "I knew it was you, I recognized your footsteps" "someone could have mimicked them" etc.
The movie still set up the contrast between the dangerous situation and Paul's attitude in that same scene with Gurney, but did it through action instead, while also mixing in exposition about shields, Gurney's past, and Harkonnens. People have also pointed out that the Paul/Gurney fight ends the same way as the Paul/Feyd Rautha fight. So it's a pretty dense scene in retrospect.
While we're talking about Gurney and previous versions of this story, a fun detail in this movie is when Gurney first appears he's playing a tune on his stringed instrument - that tune is the music from the early 90s Dune 2 video game.
A point about Rabban's quick and easy death. One thing that is explicitly shown in the first movie, but most people miss... The Harkonnen have a numbers advantage over the Atreides, but they suck at warfare. Or rather, the Atreides were much better trained. Gurney led the troops during the invasion and were pushing the Harkonnen back until the Sardukar reinforced them. The Emperor's troops made all the difference. So when Gurney, a Weapons Master, finally finds Rabban... it's not even a contest.
WE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS LET’S GOOOOO
Thanks, Verowak! 🪱
They use guns now because the Fremmen don't use shields.
Yep. As Kynes told us in Part 1, shields draw worms and drive them into a killing frenzy. So the Fremen never use them, and the Harkonnens and Sardaukar fighting on Arrakis minimize their use as well. The Emperor's ship was shielded, but once the Atreides family atomics were used to destroy the Shield Wall, the sandstorm was able to enter the Arrakeen basin (along with the worms) and its static electricity stripped away the shield.
Paul is definitely antihero and a complex character he’s not a simple hero or a villain regarding his change I’m pretty sure if anyone can see the past and future he would also change
Yeah, the story of Dune was meant to serve as a caution against messiah figures and blindly following them. Regarding the daughter, in the book she was actually born well before the final battle. Because she also ingested the Water of Life, her mind is fully developed and is as powerful as Jessica's. There was just no way to properly show it in the movie. Having a 3 or 4 yr old child with the intelligence and abilities of a fully grown Bene Gesserit would have probably come off as cartoonish. That's why they showed Alia being unborn but still able to communicate with Paul and Jessica. If you actually want to see a child Alia, check out the Dune film from the 80's. The cartoonish aspect of it definitely fits better in that film.
That's because Frank Herbert said with his narcissistic quotes... He was pseudo-moralist and pseudo-intellectual, Herbert himself was drowned in his own bias.
Verowak says: "There aren’t any Harkonnens I like." Then Paul drinks the Water of Life.
Hahaha I may have spoke too soon 🤣
'...a little mantra.' which the books call the 'Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear'
In the book, Paul knows there is a keyword he can use to shut down Feyd Rautha, be he refuses to use it in their fight. He kills him fair and square. (In the book, Feyd tries to cheat with a poison needle in his belt but that's not in the movie.)
Hit the nail on the head when you said there's no purely good guy. That's definitely a theme in the books. The film is a bit less subtle about it though, with the emphasis on the whole "We need to convert the non-believers" thing. I thought that storyline was a bit overplayed, I'd much preferred them to show it rather than state it so upfront and out loud.
In relation to Paul's sister, I think the book explains it better, and it does the end quite a bit differently. Personally, I think much better, but I won't spoil that for you. All I'll say is they weren't in as much of a rush, so they could take the time to show more of the politics of the universe at the beginning, and more of Paul's growth as a Fremen. After I first saw part 2, I thought they could've cut it differently and made the story closer to the book without adding much to the runtime of both films, but now I think the only way would've been to do three films. In any case, the "part 3" film you mentioned will actually be the second book, Dune Messiah, since the first two films cover the first book.
One scene I liked in this film was when Paul was hiding under the sand, and the little mouse came to say hi. And when he earned his name, he chose that little mouse, like it brought him luck. It mirrors the scene in the first film when he climbs up from the stilltent under the sand, and he turns to see the little mouse. But the fight scene between Paul and Feyd-Rautha at the end was my favourite. He had to make Feyd believe he'd won, so that he'd leave himself open for Paul's final strike. It also mirrors the first film, the scene where Paul fights Gurney Halleck, he makes what he believes would've been the winning blow, but he left himself open to Gurney's knife. "Aye, but look down, m'lord, you'd have joined me in death!"
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the films, I hope you enjoy the book just as much! It is a bit dense at the start, but well worth it. You've seen the films, so you won't have to refer to the appendix for the definition of terms quite as much.
"I wonder if she has more powers than the voice?"
😅
Not in this version so much, but in the book Lady Jessica is one of the most bad@ss characters. As a fully trained Bene Gesserit she possesses The Voice, prana bindu body control (how she purifies the poison, ensured Paul was a boy, etc), and the Weirding Way.
The Weirding Way is basically super fast movement by extreme body control, mild prescience, and possible time dilation/spatial manipulation via spice. It's how no one would get past Jessica in Part 1, and presumably how she gets behind the Harkonnen to rock his world (though the only mention of it in Denis' Dune is one line at the end of Part 1😅)
To see it depicted properly in media, seek out Frank Herbert's Dune, the early 2000s SciFi (now SyFy) mini-series. It's extremely book accurate, still has a shorter run time than 21+24, and cheap 2000s cgi aside is my favorite adaptation.
This movie is the bomb! Many scenes made my living room rumble so much I thought I spotted worm signs.
Paul's shift into the Kwizatz Haderach is exactly the figure the Fremen need. They are hard, fierce and honorable people and require a hard, fierce and commanding figure befitting their view of a warrior-Messiah. Also, consider how much you would change if you knew when you will die, when your mother and Chani and your children will all die. So many friends will perish and super hard decisions as a war leader must be made. You notice that when Paul said he would take Irulan's hand, he said she would remain safe. She will be a political hostage and not really a wife other than a consolidation of the Imperial power. As powerful as Paul appears, be is the scion of both House Atreides and House Harkonnen now, he can claim power over both houses and with his power over the spice he is truly now the most powerful human in the galaxy. Not an easy burden to bear.
He is more than just Harkonnen and Atreides.
Actually, there's a excellent argument to be made for Paul being the worst thing to happen for the Fremen. Without him, they would have terraformed the planet by themselves.
"crappers" at the end of this made me laugh too much.
These are my favorite books and ending the first with "crappers" is so hilarious.
Paul is really not the hero or a hero....He is a cautionary tale that tells you to be careful about powerful charismatic figures as Frank Herbert said "they are bad for your health"
Villeneuve who produced this one, will also be producing a movie based on the Book by Annie Jacobsen 'Nuclear War: A Scenario" which should be interesting. If you have time some of the Villeneuve interviews about Dune 1 & 2 on RUclips are worth watching for how he made a lot of it, and backstory etc. It is great to see Dune getting the attention and produciton it deserves. There is a lot of influence from Dune in Star Wars, and that is whole other rabbit hole to go down as far as where Geroge Lucas got ideas from and similarities to Dune.
I'm interested in anything Villeneuve works on! I'll have to check out the interviews, thank you
Greig Fraser used Unreal engine to visualize some of the shots in pre-production, I think that's a neat idea. Also they filmed during a real eclipse!
I liked the first movie a lot but this movie blew me away in IMAX so I went twice. I love Stilgar in every scene too, Javier Bardem is amazing.
Definitely a movie to be viewed in IMAX, and fortunately it will probably be re-released at some point so that folks who missed it the first time around (including a lot of RUclips reactors!) can see it the way it was meant to be seen.
To use the voice you need to have a deep understanding of the target and pitch your voice exactly so you can influence the target. That's why Bene Gessrit don't use it all the time, you need to hear and deeply understand the person. Also, if they use it all the time, it will create distrust on them, so they treat it as a hidden weapon, to be used sparingly on unspecting targets
Time to watch Dune 1985. No more spoilers.
The ultimate point of the Dune novels is that the "Great Man" of history is almost always a terrible disaster for the people living in the time of the Great Man.
Paul is the protagonist, but he isn't a hero, he isn't a good guy. He isn't as perverse and cruel as the Harkoneen, but he is still ruthless. He still kills and destroys in a quest for power, because he must. He does what he has to do to survive and free the people of Arrakis, and that means empire wide war, with all the death and horror that entails.
Paul is the hero.
It was Jessica’s love for Leto that made her go against the Bene Gesserit and have a son instead of a daughter to fulfill their “prophecy”.
So she decided to hijack the prophecy and use Paul to really make a difference. Paul being trained by his mother in the skills of the Bene Gesserit but with the morals of his father Leto.
The Bene Gesserit prophecy was to instill someone they could control, but Paul couldn’t be controlled. And Paul freed the Fremen and will actually bring a green paradise to Dune.
And the Golden Path he sets humanity on will save humanity from extinction (even though billions die in the jihad).
What Mom, and by extension, the Bene Gesserit, don't get is that while they may in some capacity intend to amplify legends or prophecy that they believe will likely come to pass, their own meddling is inadvertently an important influence. The highest levels, of course, know this. But, they still can't help themselves.
It's like mentats, of which there are many Bene Gesserit, who are extremely precise mathematicians, they use game theory (see the Nash equilibrium), or something even more advanced, to predict and create the future, at the same time.
As for "the daughter", that's Alyea. She's... different.
I was so looking forward to this reaction and it did not disappoint. Thanks!!!
Just have to wait at least 5 years for the next one. The director is doing another movie in between the next dune and now.
Oh poo. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing whatever movie he'll put out next! I have a lot of his movies to catch up on
Thanx so much for this fun reaction Verowak!
"TheVoice" does not work the way you think it does...
And you're a tad confused on other details, though were VERY prescient on several very important points too. Reading the book will straighten things out, and for the next film, the second book, DuneMessiah.
After editing and basically watching it a second time, the details are much clearer. Having time to think helps 😁
The one thing that still angers me about this movie...
They didn't even bother once saying Irulans name.... she is just "the princess"
380 million liters, divided by 5 liters per person, comes out as 76 million people. Probably doesn't drain 100% of the water, so probably more like 100 million people actually.
Yeah, we just have to suspend disbelief. That's 10,000 generations in a sietch with 10,000 people.
The Fremen don't only collect water from their dead. There's an extensive network of windtraps that not only supply water to meet the basic needs of the Fremen but also supply water to their caches. That's one reason we get a short scene of Chani explaining the working of a windtrap to Paul.
11:25 Paul is not the Mahdi he's a very naughty boy!
The book had a huge timeskip at the end of Dune Part One, for this part Alia was already like 6 years old. The problem is, it is impossible to cast a 6 year old girl, that can act well enough, to conver that she has both the knowledge and experience of a thausond lifetimes (that's what happened when Jessica drank the Waters of Life, BOTH where given all the memories) ^^*
So they cut the timejump and opted for this version on Alia instead.
She was either 3 or 4. Other adaptations have aged her up. I like Villeneuve aging her down instead.
20:45 That was the previous Reverend Mother, whose memories she took in when she drank the Water of life.
Thanks for this review!
My favorite character is Chani, hands down. From the first film I'd choose Duke Leto Atreides.
Perceptive point about there not really being any good guys (I'd say except Chani.) One of the themes Frank Herbert wanted to emphasize was the danger of cults of personality and charismatic populist leaders. Paul is changed, not for the better, both by the Water of Life and by power itself. In a way it feels Shakespearean - the protagonist struggling to escape his inevitable destiny. I think you'll love the books, too.
Out of all the reactors that I like and respect, I was REALLY looking forward to your reaction to this ground-breaking two-film series of the novel, Dune. I was amazed at how much of part 1 you understood correctly (not an easy task), and just as amazed in your reaction to part 2. And yes, you can now read Frank Herbert's first novel and see the changes Denis made (almost all for the better). It was suppose to be a seven-novel series (Dune, Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) followed by a stand-alone (God Emperor of Dune) that takes place during a 3.5 thousand year reign of Leto II. Sadly, the ending trilogy was cut short because of Frank Herbert's untimely death (pulmonary embolism after pancreatic cancer surgery). His two final Dune novels were Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune (yes, I've read all six; Dune 5 times over the decades, and I've read Children of Dune twice (my second favorite). All others I have read once, but really did like Heretics of Dune and will probably read it again soon.
As far as the 1985 film, for me personally it was a major disappointment (absolutely the wrong director for the job and complete studio interference doomed it to a mess). It had an ending that left me walking out of the theater pretty angry. The Sci-Fi mini-series followed the novel the best, but lacked in many areas, especially the ridiculous costume design of the Sardaukar. The Sci-Fi mini-series, Children of Dune (actually a combination of Dune Messiah and Children of Dune) was much better directed and I enjoyed it quite a bit, even though it failed on several levels as well (obviously budget was a concern for both mini-series).
I look forward to finding out how you liked Dune the novel.
Paul could have used the voice but he wanted to have an honorable fight.
Javier Bardem is bestest as Stilgar
Your doubts about Paul are *exactly* the point Frank Herbert was making. How should we feel about this “Messiah” who has actual powers and seems well-intentioned but has now started a potential holy war on behalf of himself? The lesson is to question power and our tendency to “slavishly submit” to charismatic leaders.
Hey Verowak! Awesome reaction. I would recommend seeing in IMAX if you get the chance as I'm sure they'll rerelease it again. I watched it 5 times in IMAX and it was probably the best cinema experience I've ever had. Also, on the Warner Brothers Entertainment RUclips channel, are a lot of very interesting cast interviews, behind the scenes and lore videos. They have Dune and Dune Part Two playlists of these videos on that channel that I'm sure you'll love watching.
That's for that, I'll have to look at the behind the scenes!!!
I thought fondly of this naming process when the mouse showed up in Part 1.
I seriously hope Denis Viuellmeuve (or however you spell it :P) does make Dune: Messiah.. they cant stop here its too damn good and I need MORE DAMNIT!!!! :D
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts about the book!
I hope we get to see the Bene Tleilax Face Dancers in the next movie.
In regards to his visions; he wasn't supposed to kill Jamis. He was supposed to be Paul's friend and mentor. Paul regrets it and in the books, looks into that future so he can feel Jamis' friendship.
There's no "supposed to". There are infinite possible futures. In some, jamis was his mentor. That's all.
Good one, Verowak! And now we wait.... 🙂
Such a long wait 😭
@@VerowakReacts 😆
I could explain all scenes, why and how but looks like you dont wanna know until you read the books. So I am just gonna enjoy your beautiful mimics as always.
Thank you for not spoiling the books!! I'm excited to see how it differs
That sinking feeling people get when they realize that Paul is the inspiration for Anakin, not Luke.
The films don’t strictly follow the book(s). Bothered me in the first film, but not so much here (early 60’s dialog would have sounded stilted with all the additional characters). Chani gets Paul’s love in the books-the marriage to the emperor’s daughter is in name only. Haven’t reread the books since the 70’s, so memory has faded. Slightly annoyed that we have to wait years for part 3.
I would identify Paul as a reluctant, tragic hero. I could go into detail of this, but I've already typed out and deleted paragraphs in explanation. He tried his best NOT to fall into the Bene Gesserit religious propaganda, and to thwart his role in their eugenics program. But in the end, his vision wasn't clear enough for him to effectively navigate all of the external factors that eventually forced him to play directly into role.
You should react to.
Paul: Simon Pegg Nick Frost Have written the movie and they are acting in it to.
Fried Green Tomatoes: This is just a great movie with great actors Kathy Bates, Jessica Tandy, Mary Stuart Masterson, Mary-Louise Parker, Timothy Scott,
The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel: This is just a great movie with great actors Judi Dench, Bill Nighy, Maggie Smith, Tom Wilkinson, Penelope Wilton, Ronald Pickup, Celia Imrie, Dev Patel.
Dolores Claiborne: Based on a novel by Stephen King starring Kathy Bates, Jennifer Jason Leigh, Christopher Plummer, Judy Parfitt, David Strathairn.
Sleepers: Robert De Niro, Brad Pitt, Kevin Bacon, Minnie Driver, Dustin Hoffman, Terry Kinney
Slumdog Millionaire: What can I say, a damn good movie.
The Full Monty: A really funny movie with Robert Carlyle, Tom Wilkinson
The unborn daughter is preborn. Which means she has awakened and has all the memories of past reverand mothers. But not her own sekf. If they are born they are normally killed at birth. As the Bene Gesserit consider them abominations. So Jessica can actually talk to her unborn daughter and when she is born she can instanly talk.
You should check out Martin Scorsese’s last temptation of christ (1988) ☺️👍🏼
Also, Crimes Of The Future (2022) for more Léa Seydoux.
sooooo good!
Sandworms 🪱🪱🪱🪱
Time to read the book to see what you didn’t see. 😉
Exactly!! I love reading the books afterwards to see all the extra info!
@@VerowakReacts arguably that’s a very strong content material too. If you would compare the movie to the book.
Verowak getting pretier day by day
I'm not sure where suggestions go for movie reactions but I'd love to see your reaction to the original Highlander. Love the channel. All the best
I have a form in the description, but I've started to just take recommendations in the comments of videos, it's simpler. I've heard good things about Highlander and it's on my list of movies to watch!
@@VerowakReacts Awesome! Can't wait!
So many things you state come from a poor ending which didn't meet the book and how the book worked things out. In the book, things did not happen so fast. Also, in the book, it shows how Paul gains power -- the Spacing Guild is threatened by Paul and if he didn't do what they wanted, they knew Paul would destroy society as they knew it. And so the Emperor was forced to a prison planet. And Chani and Paul already had one child, and yes, Chani knew Paul's plan, and though not happy about some aspects of it, agreed to it.
I truly cannot imagine watching this movie for the first time with earbuds
very good editing
if you haven't done done it Peter Jackson's Lord of the rings trilogy a must
1:07 I’m just so disappointed that we never got to see Emperor Shaddam walking without rhythm so as to not disturb the worm.
2:40 It’s about 20 thousand years into the future, or 10000 AG, after the creation of the Spacing Guild.
4:00 All bene gesserit have extensive prana bindu training (which Jessica taught to Paul), advanced control of all muscles and nerves. This includes the ability to prolong life to an extreme degree, although they don’t actually use that. And also the internal alchemy depicted later in this movie.
5:50 They can just purify the water by evaporating, distillation. I’m sure they’ve got plenty of solar and nuclear energy. They’re not low-tech barbarians.
16:03 Chani’s father, the Imperial ecologist Liet Kynes, had big plans for turning Arrakis green again. That’s why the Fremen are gathering and storing water. It’s also not true that they never use of the stored water. They have a water economy and can use coins to withdraw from the reservoirs, or get coins if they deposit. After Paul kills Jamis in the duel, he’s given coins equal to how much water was extracted from the body. He then asks Chani to hold the coins for him, which turns out to be a romantic thing in Fremen culture.
17:17 Millions of people dying on a galactic scale would be trivial. That’d be like one dead person for every colonised solar system, or even much less than that.
Trillions, now that would be horror! And a galaxy-wide war, especially a holy war (a jihad), likely will cause extreme suffering for trillions.
Baron never used to look like that. The bene gesserit helen cast some spell on him, made him ill, causing him to never walk again.
That's according to one of the prequel novels co-authored by Frank Herbert's son. And the explanation is biological, not magic. However I've never fully accepted it because it wasn't mentioned in any of Herbert's writings. I prefer the notion, implied by Herbert, that the Baron's immense weight is a consequence of his own choices to indulge his excessive appetites (not only for food but also for other bodily pleasures).
You're the Best!! 👍👍❤🔥
Aww thank you!!!
👍 great reaction 🇦🇺
Thank you😊
You didn't seem to know Florence Pugh as the princess
Hi Verowak, I saw Dune Part 2 with my son in theater 4DK. My first experience in 4DK was with John Wick 4. During the fight scenes, I thought a very, VERY angry big guy was sitting behind me, kicking the back of my seat so hard it hurt! I looked at my son who was laughing and enjoying the movie. He had turned off the 4DK in his seat. When the grandfather sandworm appeared the theater started to shake. My seat started bucking like a wild horse trying to throw me off. It just got more violent as the worm got closer. I reached for my son, concerned for his safety. He was laughing so hard, enjoying the sensations. We both let go of our seats, raised our arms, raised our feet off the floor. We rode the worm with Paul! The theater started shaking like it was about to tear itself apart. The soundtrack was deafening beyond belief. As Paul stood up and rode the worm, it was as if the theater was crashing all around us. My son and I was just screaming with joy as we ‘rode’ the worm! It was an incredible exhilarating experience!
Dune is meant to be a deconstruction of the chosen one narrative. The Attreides look like the classic good guys, but in the end they aren't that different. Paul is literally a Harkonnen. The Prophecy isn't really a prophecy, it's a plan, and it's not naturally inevitable, though it seems like it because a chain of people intentionally act to make it happen. It's called a prophecy as a manipulative way to make it self-continuing. And when Paul ascends and takes on the role of Lisan Al-Gaib, that's when he "fails" his battle against control and loses his own agency. Paul looks like he is saving the Fremen, but in the end he's using them for his own purposes..
He actually can see the future.
He actually frees the Fremen from oppression.
He actually turns Dune into a paradise.
He actually saves humanity from extinction.
He is the hero. The author of dune didn’t understand that what he wrote was a hero and spent the rest of his life trying to deconstruct his own story.
@@HanselLeiderhosen He sees potential futures that are equally real depending on what choices are made. That means they aren't inevitable and never were, and there is a self-serving bias to his decisions.
@@Mikearice1 and all of them except 1 led to the extinction of the human species.
So again it’s not “self serving” it’s by definition selfless because he gives up his free will to lead us onto a path where humanity survives and grows, instead of stagnates and dies.
Well Atredies were the good guys. Paul was last Atreide, since Atredies went extinct. Prophecy was both plan, but for other sides prophecy, because even prophecy is plan. Like everything else in the planet. You go into the shopping is already part of the plan. Also he did not fail his battle against control. That is only in the movie. In the book he wanted to be Lisan since instantly after he became Fremen.
@@Mikearice1 Future that he chose is however inevitable, but other potential futures that he did not chose were already avoided and not inevitable. Every leader and even Messiah has biases. Doesn't make them non messiah.
Book > Part 2 > Part 1. Can't wait for Dune: Messiah. Also, quick explanation of "the voice"; It is all based on extreme powers of observation and knowledge of personal psychology by the BG sisterhood, allowing them to say the right thing in the right way to cause people they are familiar enough with to act instinctively, so no, they could not use it on the worms.
The way you expressed yourself by also crossing your arms with everything Paul was doing after drinking the water of life is also how I felt - bitter sweet. Good that he was looking for revenge, but bad that he was looking for revenge.
Assuming you haven't already seen them, any plans to do The Lord of The Rings?
Sadly I've seen those already. I wish I hadn't! If ever I do react to them, I'll point out it's a rewatch so people know haha
@@VerowakReacts That's totally ok, it is a pretty huge trilogy after all! Thank you for your response! ;)
The Water of Life would be lethal to untrained people, period, a trained man in the ways of the Bene Gesserit could survive just as much as a woman from the Sisterhood.
Bene Gesserit also relies on sexual seduction to achieve their genetic bloodlines crossing program as well as controlling their "prospects"
Jessica knows about other prospects but in her own hubris she wants her own son to be The One...
Not said in the movie, Paul is supposed to keep Chani as concubine and share his bed only with her. The Princess shall remain childless.
At this point other prospects would have 0 difference. It's impossible to control something that has memories of every single ancestor thousands of years and maintains seeing past and future. It's just impossible to control. Bene Geserit prospect was doomed since the start.
To answer your question, jessicas daughter was awakened when she drank the worm poison. So she is bene geserat too
Paul did nothing wrong.