@@DoRC And that is *exactly* what I want. Going full speed on stock brushed motor in fully immersive FPV was already very thrilling (read: huuuge fun) with that little car.
We installed one in our UTB18 a few days ago and it drives great! Low speed control is probably the best I've seen. Better than the Fusion SE and Fusion Pro.
I do greatly appreciate your RUclips videos, and thank you for making a video that was geared towards one of my questions your far more knowledgeable than I, and it’s easy to understand what you’re trying to achieve.
@@scottbrodie3071 Yes I would use stock gearing in the NASCAR as well. The second vehicle you saw actually was the NASCAR it just had a different body and tires on it :-)
Yeah I've had that same bottle for years. It's definitely good stuff though To be honest nail polish usually works just as well though like I said in the video because it isn't designed for circuit boards you always run the risk of screwing something up.
Not sure if I’m the only one who’s tried this out yet but I was able to fit a Traxxas VXL 3s esc on a brushless 2300kv 1/16-1/18 motor and man it was too much for the small size motor but oh boy it was fun and fast! And man I love the custom infraction grom, it looks so apart from all the other groms out there👍🏽
Yeah I've got a whole video on making it. Definitely check it out! That Traxxas system sounds like the 1010 Castle system that was in the infraction originally. It was way too much power but definitely a good time :-)
Great video, I’m so glad someone did this. I recently put the fusion pro in my Wltoys 124018 and it’s really fast on 2S but I think the front differential is blown. Keep the fantastic videos coming.
A bit late to the game but I see HW selling a TON of these & the 1/24 system, as well! 👍 And, I've used a variety of products to waterproof electronics, including nail polish (clear NOT red, lol), epoxy and a 2-part gel product. Nail polish is easily the most economic and very durable!😂
I've had a few people mention that the nail polish might not last forever and being a nitrocellulose lacquer it will probably fail after a few years but I usually end up killing my hardware before then anyway some other way :-)
If you use a Dumbo X6FG Transmitter/Receiver, you can plug the single yellow wire into channel 5 in the receiver, and channel 5 is the left rotary button in the transmitter, you can actually still use the drag brake in non crawler mode from 0-100% by adjusting the channel 5 knob.
@@DoRCEnded up getting a second one of these for my Losi NASCAR. Super awesome. One note on the pro programming box. If you use Hobbywing link and update the firmware to the latest and update models after the pro box will work just fine.
I know a Florida road when i see one. Awesome video. The first video i saw was the SFPV with the caddx gimbal. I will be ordering that gimbal. Great videos. I live in florida alao. Hopefully, this hurricane will die down. I subscribed 👍🏼
5:27 My fav way of receiver waterproofing is not driving RC when raining or in puddles. QuicRun Fusion Mini16 is a 2440 with 2.3mm shaft so it will fit all of Groms. Also its x2 more powerful than the brushed 380 can. But I will stick with brushed till they are available.
That's definitely a good option but where I live I pretty much have to wash my RCs when I'm done with them otherwise they would always be filthy so waterproof is best for me
@@DoRC over here we have that thing called global warming so I no longer can take my RCs out during summer time cos its over 100 degrees toaster oven heat. dust is still an issue though.
I use this on 3S in my Mojave Grom, with a heat sink and a 25mm high speed rocket fan which fits perfectly in the stock fan mount. This is a great upgrade, on 3S, it rips with a 3200mah 3S Lipo.
Agreed. There are definitely more powerful systems out there but if you want a simple way to add a little bit more jam It's hard to go wrong with this.
If you use a Dumbo X6F/ with X6FG reciever, and set the drag brake to 100%, you can plug the Yellow program wire into channel 5 on the X6FG receiver, you will have an adjustable drag brake from 0-100%.
Yeah some people have mentioned questioning its longevity so that's definitely something to keep in mind but it's nitric cellulose lacquer so I suspect it will last at least a few years.
Great informative Video and awesome running-footage👌💯. If that Fusion is as good as the ones they did for the crawlers it seems to be a great upgrade imo for the small Groms. Also the nail-polish-thing is a nice lifehack ^^. Thanks for that. Have a good one and keep up the great work.
I was a little concerned that they would have some sort of crawler functionality in it that would make it not work for a basher but all that stuff can be turned off so it's good to go.
Exciting new (to me) technology! The Achilles heel of mini RCs IMO is the lack of space for everything. I was thinking about using UV resin for waterproofing my receiver. Not sure if that'll work, so I can't say it's my favorite technique. 🤔
I agree. This definitely simplifies the upgrade. It's not the most powerful thing in the world but the combination of price ease of install and features I think make it the best option for most people looking for a basic brushless upgrade.
@@DoRCI've not finished the video yet but I'm already wondering about temperatures. That seems like it'd be the biggest hurdle if they wanted to make larger fusion motors for 10th scale applications, but I'm basing that on guesswork, so I'd be happy to be wrong.
Hey buddy, great video as always! Can you do some research on the new Micro B and get a proper brushless motor in this thing?! I bought three of them and while they are fun, once you find a high traction surface you realize how slow they really are. I'm thinking something from Furitek will probably work, I have a really fast motor from my FTX Monster truck build that might fit in there...
Unfortunately I don't have one but based on the motor size you probably are looking at one of the really small crawler motors from Furitek. I'm sure people will come up with solutions.
Did you use the stock transmitter or a flysky like the receiver? My granite went 21mph stock. I think most do. I would like to see a hobbywing fusion 16 vs furitek scorpion esc motor showdown. Which is the best new combo for mini bashers
I was using the fly sky transmitter the stock transmitter doesn't work with the fly sky receiver. Yeah top speed's going to be limited depending on which vehicle you're using and what terrain you're on. I got below 20 but if you have a really smooth surface and enough room you can go faster.
Also, another upgrade for those going brushless is getting a better fan. I got a Yeah Racing 25mm fan (the same size as the stock one) and it blows much more air which should also help with temperatures and efficiency. Got mine from Amazon and it fits in the fan casing. It also works with the stock powertrain if you want lower temperatures as well.
Do you use it like a threadlock? Crawling seemed good though I'm definitely not a crawling expert. The gearing on the truck itself is pretty high so it definitely didn't have the low speed control that an actual crawler would have.
I think you would need the adapter plate that I mentioned in the video but I'm not sure it would be a good idea. The 1/16 Traxxas platforms are pretty heavy and this is already kind of at its limit with the Groms.
22mph is same as stock… so this system won’t give any more power? I am staying on 2s and want to hop my car up for a cost efficient sensored system. It’s actually going on my lc racing rig. I wonder if the furitek will fit it.
It depends. I am confident that this is more powerful than stock and the limitation was either distance or gearing or both. I didn't get 22 miles an hour stock on my Groms To begin with. Also that's on 2S. Most people that are going to be upgrading are going to be running 3S which is a lot faster.
Yeah anytime you add insulation it will definitely increase the retained heat. Being essentially lacquer paint it will degrade eventually but I would expect It to be years before it happens.
Yes I suspect the furitek system will be overall superior but like you said it's also a lot more expensive. This is great for someone who just wants a bit more pep and wants to do it simply without spending a bunch of money.
Not bad. The modern hobby wing stuff is pretty efficient. If you're going to run it in anything heavy or push it I would definitely recommend a fan but pretty much anything you get other than the granite is going to have a fan already anyway.
looks like a nice cheaper alternative to the Furitek Scorpion Combo, with how popular the grom line is hopefully HobbyWing comes out with a higher kv version to this
Quick question, other then taking more space and getting a different pinion, why not get the 16bl30 quicrun combo. It’s the same price as the fusion mini 16
Those are really the two main advantages. The reality is there are a ton of different options for brushless systems on these cars I just think this one represents a really simple upgrade for those who aren't looking for maximum power and don't want to deal with figuring out where to put everything. The extra 10 bucks you have to spend on the pinion is also not inconsiderable given the cost of the upgrade itself.
Really loving your videos, for a beginner like me your explanations are very thorough. Based on your previous videos I'm planning on doing a Hobao Hyper 10tt 2.0 project (got a nice spare hobbywing motor and esc). Still hesitating a bit though between the Hobao and the LC racing PTG-1, do you know how they compare? It is meant for track fun, not bashing fun. (Apologies for the off-topic question 😁)
Honestly I can't really give you much of a recommendations on that. It would probably be best to go to your local track where you're actually planning on running and talk to the people there to see what they're using and what they would recommend.
@@DoRC Problem is that they are all running way too expensive cars there hahaha (Kyosho MP10). They actually recommended buggy or truggy, so based on that I can go either way. Center diff is probably convincing me to go for the Hobao.
@@DoRC It's a no-racing-RC-club, so just a fun track. Seeing my skill level, the car should be able to take a hit though 😁. For pure bashing I got another cheap one.
@@nilssonck2475 okay. I noticed you said that they're running MP 10s. That's a 1/8 scale buggy. The vehicles you're talking about are 1/10 scale. Is that a concern?
I tried connecting this ESC to a 1500 mAh 15C 2S lithium ion battery using a EC2 to Deans adapter and it went into voltage protection almost immediately. The Spektrum adapter and stock battery works great. The battery is fully charged and came with my Haiboxing 16890. These batteries work fine in my Haiboxing 16889A Pro, 2996A, and Omni Terminator. In the Omni and the 2996A I run 2 in parallel for longer run times and it works great. I tried it with this ESC in my Typhon Grom and all I get is 3 beeps repeating. Do you have any Ideas? The Spektrum EC2 to IC2 adapter and stock battery works great, so I don't think the ESC is the issue.
So far I'm really happy with it. It's the first fusion I have owned and even though I unfortunately wasn't able to take it apart to see inside it's still a pretty impressive machine.
yeah I'm going to pick one up following your review. since this is built for crawlers it should be close to a sensored system with very good low speed control as well so another advantage over the other system.
I don't have that system but based on what I've seen I suspect this will be not quite as powerful and not quite as feature-rich but it's also easier to install since you're not dealing with a separate ESC and quite a bit cheaper.
Where did you find this? I wanted this exact motor but I couldn’t find it anywhere. Even Hobbywing’s own site took me to a dead page when searching for that motor! I wound up going with a 4600kv 2848 in my Typhon Grom, but I would’ve preferred this for simplicity’s sake!
@@DoRC Yeah I just checked and yes it’s working fine now! Damnit! I should’ve waited a few more weeks! I mean the 2848 is an absolute blast but it’s not a very clean install. Had to get creative with component placements for all the electronics.
@@2down4up Yeah that is definitely the beauty of this system above any of the other ones. Not having to find a place to put the ESC makes a big difference in packaging.
@@2down4up hmm. Be honest the Typhon might actually benefit from more power than the Losi. On road cars tend to not get the best traction so they often can't really do much with extra power. It does also depend on how you bash those so it's hard to make a recommendation between the two.
Probably not. It's been reviewed by a bunch of different people already so it probably wouldn't be worth making a video on. The Furitek system will almost certainly be superior but it's also quite a bit more expensive and you have to deal with figuring out where to put the ESC which I think is this system's main advantage.
The constant torque mode is disabled whenever you have forward brake reverse engaged but a crawler motor / ESC isn't actually anything special other than having some specific features. The reason a crawler is slow is because of the vehicle's gearing not really because of the motor or ESC.
That’s pretty cool will it work on my Flysky Fsg7p cause I want it just fast enough for my Typhon Grom not too fast also I did my review on my Typhon grom hope you checked it out.
No issues so far. It was pointed out to me that because this is nitrocellulose lacquer it could degrade over time but in my research it will probably take at least a few years given that it's protected from UV and most harsh weather. Ultimately you're probably better off just buying a bottle of real conformal coding as it's not that expensive and last basically forever.
I just installed this motor in my Losi nascar and it’s awesome! I just have to figure out how to turn off the drag brake after letting of throttle it brakes really hard and fast I thought I had turned the drag brake of when I programmed it but not sure if it’s the motor program issue or the new fly sky gt6 transmitter possibly causing the issue? I am trying to have no brakes when throttle is off and have the car coast.
Totally newb to electric rc here coming from the nitro community but I think my issue with the brake was I did not hit the ok button after making my changes to the motor with the led program card. I just did it and am going to test it out. Also I seen someone else was able to program there’s with the lcd pro box I know you mentioned some issues with that. But again thanks so much for this video it gave me the confidence to try this and oh boy it’s perfect for what I needed! Thanks again have a great weekend!
So I have 4 different groms I run them on all on this setup it’s QUICRUN 16BL30 Combo 30110000B04 4500kv 2s-3s system I run them on 3s all the time they do about 50mph with the gearing I used you should give it try it’s perfect setup and only $60 bucks and comes with a programmer.
Definitely a great combo and I have run it before. The main advantage this has over that combo and pretty much any other system is the fact that you don't need to figure out where to put the ESC which gives you more options for where to put the receiver.
@@DoRC yes I do like that setup I’ve never done an all in one setup didn’t think they would be efficient enough but watching ur video proved me wrong 🤣
I’m thinking about trying this. Any issues where heat became a problem on 3s? I’ve looked everywhere for a heat sink and fan and there’s nothing out there for the mini 16.
I didn't personally have any overeating issues with the included fan blowing on it but I'm always hesitant to tell people they won't because that's sort of thing is really heavily dependent on driving style.
@@DoRC Awesome!! I have a half dozen Dumbo X6FGs/with Gyro receiver, and a few Mohave Groms just sitting in their boxes I was trying to figure out what to do with. Thanks!!
@NoodlesNJ1 Yeah there are definitely fancier and more powerful brushless systems You can go with but if you want cheap and simple for just a bit more zing it's hard to go wrong with this I think.
I don't have a Typhon chassis on hand to verify but it should. The total stock motor length is 42.5 mm and the fusion 16 is 43 mm so I believe there will be enough room
@@DoRC The highest KV Model on Google is 2300KV, Horizon Hobbies, Amazon, Amain, Tower, & Ebay. AliExpress, I also paused your video and took a screen shot of the box and did a photo search, and same results.
@@gillyboyNY Yeah I would imagine eventually it will be made compatible through a firmware update but they seem to have a habit of not having compatibility when they release something.
Yes unfortunately because the receiver is built into the stock ESC anytime you upgrade the ESC and motor you have to also swap out the receiver and transmitter.
@@DoRC Thanks man. I do need a good receiver and transmittter for my custom builds. Got any discounts or recommends? I own 15 or so rcs all on rtr stock electronics.
I have been able to install this motor esc combo in the Losi nascar and noticed you changed the battery connection on it to run 3s if I remember correctly, so if I run the stock battery and my aftermarket battery has ec2 both 2s will the stock ec2 connector on the motor be sufficient?
I’ve been looking for something to try and throw in my FMS fmt24 Colorado, mini basher. If anyone has swap a motor in or tried to, any advice is appreciated!
Ok Hobbywings we need a set up similar but for bashers it’s perfect especially for smaller bashers now ya just need to make one specific for bashers so it’s faster. 👍
This really isn't being speed limited because it was originally designed for a crawler. The speed of crawlers is a function of their internal gearing not really of the motor that's driving them. The only thing really limiting the speed on this is going to be pinion size and heat generation. This is only really "crawler" set up because it has crawler specific programming available.
@@DoRC Could it be programmed to make it waster? Pinion size will probably be limited & it seems to get hotter then if used for crawling which cannot be good.
@@Casitascrawlers no. It's already as fast as it can be. Honestly though if you want to go faster than 35ish miles an hour This probably isn't going to be the type of system for you. The motor is just too small. This is more of a simple budget setup for people who want to go brushless and get a little bit more pep without spending a ton of money and having to deal with figuring out where to put the ESC. If you really want to go fast you're better off going with something like the castle system
The etymology of the word likely either comes from grommet meaning lowest ranking member on a ship or gremlin. More recently Honda has used it for a small motorcycle that they make. It is Arrmas smallest line of vehicles
Definitely effective but with things like receivers you have to be careful because there's usually not a lot of extra room in the case. If you make the waterproofing too thick it won't fit.
Yeah I don't really do links because they're always changing and I don't want people to think I'm selling them something but usually you can find whatever I'm talking about through a quick Google search.
@@powerlitep17 probably not. It's been out a little while now so other people have already made videos on it. The more other people make videos on something the less worthwhile it becomes for me to do it.
I just installed the Furitek system in my Mojave Grom this past weekend and it's great. Best $99 I've spent on any RC since converting the Gorgon to brushless. It's a little monster now.
@@boduke9428 nice! Yeah the furitek kit Will almost certainly be superior but it also costs quite a bit more. Like I said in the video I think this is best for someone who wants a little bit more pep and wants to be able to do it really easily without having to figure out where to put the ESC.
I've been curious about these fusion motors. Only seen them advertised for crawlers. But all the ratings I've read say they work great and have amazing power and low end crawler control. Now I'm a novice and feel like every time I learn 1 thing,there's 3 more thing's wrong on 2 more cars and way too many different makes,models,gear sizes ,scale sizing,and not to mention how much false advertising you have to cautiosly wade through trying to find replacement parts,or alternate upgrades? I feel like a guppy in a lake full of whales. But seem's to me that if these fusion motors can run that much more efficiant,it's only a matter of months before they'll figure out how to make these for 1/10-8 bashers and so on? Also looks to me that if you wanted,you have room for and could still retrofit a heatsink and fan to one of these fusion motors? But ,I really have no clue! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the esc no longer needing to be so large and cooled??? But it obviously works,right? So I'm more than sure that if they figured out brushless from brushed in 25+yrs,then from brushless to brushless fusion in around a decade,give or take a couple yrs? Anyway,they'll have them for 1/10 + bashers in a couple yrs time I'd bet? In fact I'd bet the ranch they're working on a prototype right now as they are beginning thier day,and we're finishing ours. I wish I could say that I thought there was a US manufacturure ,developer working on something like this! But we hardly make anything in this country anymore. Anywho,you're the most informative,in the know,guy on the net. You have extensive RC backround and connects! You da man,bro! So,what do you think? I think it'll be quick! But Nobody is going to be able to afford them except the very well off. I'm guessing around $300.00 for 1/10 and increases with size like all things RC? By the time the average kid saves up that much,they often hit puberty,or just become disinterested and find other things to spend thier money on.
Hobby wing actually already has fusion motors for 1/10 scales. I put one in my raider XL build. You can check out that video. They're not actually that expensive. I wouldn't say they're necessarily more efficient than having a separate ESC and motor. Between limited space and limited cooling area they're actually probably a little less efficient but they certainly are space efficient! Check out the hobbywing fusion pro for what I used in the raider build.
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Brother your content is so in depth great stuff as always hobby wing makes great products!
Yeah they definitely have the value end of the market cornered.
Come on, we all know that's your Friday night special polish 😂. Nice vid👍🏾👊🏾✌🏾
Notice how I didn't show my toenails :-)
Finallt got a Arrma Grom. The typhon mega was $90 on sale, and now im thinking this is the best way to go. Thanks again! Great idea, and video!
Nice! Yeah if you want a simple install this is a great choice
THANKS for the review! 🙂 Perfect upgrade for my FPV Mojave Grom, who's electronics recently died in a muddy puddle. 😀
Sounds like a good plan. Yeah this is a great upgrade if you want waterproof don't need maximum power and want an easy install
@@DoRC And that is *exactly* what I want. Going full speed on stock brushed motor in fully immersive FPV was already very thrilling (read: huuuge fun) with that little car.
@NUeB_RCFPV This system should be perfect then.
We installed one in our UTB18 a few days ago and it drives great! Low speed control is probably the best I've seen. Better than the Fusion SE and Fusion Pro.
Nice!
What pinion gear did you use?
@@XtrmTJ97 I actually used the stock one.
@@FeralRC TY
I do greatly appreciate your RUclips videos, and thank you for making a video that was geared towards one of my questions your far more knowledgeable than I, and it’s easy to understand what you’re trying to achieve.
Thanks for watching Glad you enjoyed :-)
@@scottbrodie3071 Yes I would use stock gearing in the NASCAR as well. The second vehicle you saw actually was the NASCAR it just had a different body and tires on it :-)
Do you think it be ok to use that motor with 19t pinion and a hot racing 57t spur gear in the Losi nascar using the hobby wing used in this video?
Conformal coating is great! I don’t use on rcs but I have used it on laptops and computers when applying gallium.
Yeah I've had that same bottle for years. It's definitely good stuff though To be honest nail polish usually works just as well though like I said in the video because it isn't designed for circuit boards you always run the risk of screwing something up.
Not sure if I’m the only one who’s tried this out yet but I was able to fit a Traxxas VXL 3s esc on a brushless 2300kv 1/16-1/18 motor and man it was too much for the small size motor but oh boy it was fun and fast! And man I love the custom infraction grom, it looks so apart from all the other groms out there👍🏽
Yeah I've got a whole video on making it. Definitely check it out! That Traxxas system sounds like the 1010 Castle system that was in the infraction originally. It was way too much power but definitely a good time :-)
Great video, I’m so glad someone did this. I recently put the fusion pro in my Wltoys 124018 and it’s really fast on 2S but I think the front differential is blown. Keep the fantastic videos coming.
I have one of those coming for a different project :-) stay tuned!
A bit late to the game but I see HW selling a TON of these & the 1/24 system, as well! 👍
And, I've used a variety of products to waterproof electronics, including nail polish (clear NOT red, lol), epoxy and a 2-part gel product. Nail polish is easily the most economic and very durable!😂
I've had a few people mention that the nail polish might not last forever and being a nitrocellulose lacquer it will probably fail after a few years but I usually end up killing my hardware before then anyway some other way :-)
This is what I did with my Mojave this past weekend.
How do you like it?
@@DoRC it's nice perfect for my son .
I love the sensored option and on 3 s it's perfect for the truck imo
Got them installed in our utb18s. Fantastic motors.
Yeah definitely seems like a great option for small RCs.
What pinion gear did you use?
If you use a Dumbo X6FG Transmitter/Receiver, you can plug the single yellow wire into channel 5 in the receiver, and channel 5 is the left rotary button in the transmitter, you can actually still use the drag brake in non crawler mode from 0-100% by adjusting the channel 5 knob.
Sweet! I knew the extra wire adjusted drag brake I wasn't to where you could engage it in normal mode though
Very cool! That would totally work for most people I think and nice you can have a non SLT transmitter bound. Wonder if this would work in the mini-b?
If it'll physically fit it should. There are quite a few different mounting pattern options.
@@DoRCI ordered one just to see. Thanks for the video and ideas!
@@DoRCEnded up getting a second one of these for my Losi NASCAR. Super awesome. One note on the pro programming box. If you use Hobbywing link and update the firmware to the latest and update models after the pro box will work just fine.
Thank you! This is such a cool system! Going to buy one.
Let me know how you like it :-)
I know a Florida road when i see one. Awesome video. The first video i saw was the SFPV with the caddx gimbal. I will be ordering that gimbal. Great videos. I live in florida alao. Hopefully, this hurricane will die down. I subscribed 👍🏼
Yeah it looks like we're going to dodge a bullet on it this time.
Nice set up👌. And I'm loving the beat too👍
Thanks Glad you enjoyed :-)
I’ve always used hot glue.. and if your very meticulous in how you apply it, can come out great!
Yeah that definitely seems reasonable
Great stuff! Thanks very much. Your channel continues to impress sir!
Glad you enjoyed! Feel free to shoot me an email if you want to work together on future releases :-) my email is in the about section of the channel.
5:27 My fav way of receiver waterproofing is not driving RC when raining or in puddles. QuicRun Fusion Mini16 is a 2440 with 2.3mm shaft so it will fit all of Groms. Also its x2 more powerful than the brushed 380 can. But I will stick with brushed till they are available.
That's definitely a good option but where I live I pretty much have to wash my RCs when I'm done with them otherwise they would always be filthy so waterproof is best for me
@@DoRC over here we have that thing called global warming so I no longer can take my RCs out during summer time cos its over 100 degrees toaster oven heat. dust is still an issue though.
@@DoRC 0:55 also that 2440 will never ever take more than 20amps. 80 amps will fry that little motor in a single full-throttle run.
@@n00b247 Yeah we have that here too but I live in a subtropical rainforest so we also get a lot of moisture.
@@n00b247 maybe but the motor will draw as much current as it is capable of drawing as it is the ultimate limiting factor.
I use this on 3S in my Mojave Grom, with a heat sink and a 25mm high speed rocket fan which fits perfectly in the stock fan mount. This is a great upgrade, on 3S, it rips with a 3200mah 3S Lipo.
Agreed. There are definitely more powerful systems out there but if you want a simple way to add a little bit more jam It's hard to go wrong with this.
If you use a Dumbo X6F/ with X6FG reciever, and set the drag brake to 100%, you can plug the Yellow program wire into channel 5 on the X6FG receiver, you will have an adjustable drag brake from 0-100%.
@NoodlesNJ1 nice!
Super slick with that polish. Another lesson learned at Do Rc university 👍✌🏼
Yeah some people have mentioned questioning its longevity so that's definitely something to keep in mind but it's nitric cellulose lacquer so I suspect it will last at least a few years.
Great informative Video and awesome running-footage👌💯. If that Fusion is as good as the ones they did for the crawlers it seems to be a great upgrade imo for the small Groms. Also the nail-polish-thing is a nice lifehack ^^. Thanks for that. Have a good one and keep up the great work.
I was a little concerned that they would have some sort of crawler functionality in it that would make it not work for a basher but all that stuff can be turned off so it's good to go.
@@DoRC yeah, it's pretty cool that you can program it 👌💯. Would be quite a let down to go bashing with a drag-brake 😂
@Lod3runn3r For sure. Overall after changing the settings it felt just like any normal bashing system
Good review, keep it up!!!
Wil do!
Exciting new (to me) technology!
The Achilles heel of mini RCs IMO is the lack of space for everything.
I was thinking about using UV resin for waterproofing my receiver. Not sure if that'll work, so I can't say it's my favorite technique. 🤔
I agree. This definitely simplifies the upgrade. It's not the most powerful thing in the world but the combination of price ease of install and features I think make it the best option for most people looking for a basic brushless upgrade.
@@DoRCI've not finished the video yet but I'm already wondering about temperatures. That seems like it'd be the biggest hurdle if they wanted to make larger fusion motors for 10th scale applications, but I'm basing that on guesswork, so I'd be happy to be wrong.
Hey buddy, great video as always! Can you do some research on the new Micro B and get a proper brushless motor in this thing?! I bought three of them and while they are fun, once you find a high traction surface you realize how slow they really are. I'm thinking something from Furitek will probably work, I have a really fast motor from my FTX Monster truck build that might fit in there...
Unfortunately I don't have one but based on the motor size you probably are looking at one of the really small crawler motors from Furitek. I'm sure people will come up with solutions.
Mini z / 1:28 motors and esc from furitek.
Not the crawler motors or escs
Did you use the stock transmitter or a flysky like the receiver? My granite went 21mph stock. I think most do. I would like to see a hobbywing fusion 16 vs furitek scorpion esc motor showdown. Which is the best new combo for mini bashers
I was using the fly sky transmitter the stock transmitter doesn't work with the fly sky receiver.
Yeah top speed's going to be limited depending on which vehicle you're using and what terrain you're on. I got below 20 but if you have a really smooth surface and enough room you can go faster.
Also, another upgrade for those going brushless is getting a better fan. I got a Yeah Racing 25mm fan (the same size as the stock one) and it blows much more air which should also help with temperatures and efficiency. Got mine from Amazon and it fits in the fan casing. It also works with the stock powertrain if you want lower temperatures as well.
Definitely! The stock fan actually moves a reasonable amount of air but more air more better :-)
@@DoRC I’d recommend it in case you do any more Grom upgrades or so. It will definitely help. The difference is insane between both fans.
@iamgeek01 awesome I'll check it out!
Seems like a decent upgrade 👍 I’m pretty sure that the new LCD box only works on the new G2 stuff.
Maybe but their own website lists the program box pro as being compatible with this so if it isn't they definitely shouldn't have it on there.
I got the spektrum 2 in 1 5000kv for my Mojave grom,haven’t had time to install it but it’s going to fly🚀🚀
Hmm. Maybe though being too as only and only 20 amps it might not be as powerful as you're hoping.
@@DoRC yeah idk it was made for the little losi gravedigger so i would think its half decent…hopefully 🤣
@@JPRC_CRAZINESS let me know how you like it!
I always have nail polish in my toolbox. Great for screws going into plastic! How was the low speed crawling?
Do you use it like a threadlock? Crawling seemed good though I'm definitely not a crawling expert. The gearing on the truck itself is pretty high so it definitely didn't have the low speed control that an actual crawler would have.
@@DoRC Yup, nail polish is like threadlock for plastic.
Great vid! Now could you help me out with the front bumper you have on you grom truck rc. Im wanting to put it on one of my grom rc vehicles. Thanks
Unfortunately I kind of can't. It's a custom laser cut bumper that I made myself.
Verry cool will this motor fit on the traxxas 1/16 summit
I think you would need the adapter plate that I mentioned in the video but I'm not sure it would be a good idea. The 1/16 Traxxas platforms are pretty heavy and this is already kind of at its limit with the Groms.
22mph is same as stock… so this system won’t give any more power? I am staying on 2s and want to hop my car up for a cost efficient sensored system. It’s actually going on my lc racing rig. I wonder if the furitek will fit it.
It depends. I am confident that this is more powerful than stock and the limitation was either distance or gearing or both. I didn't get 22 miles an hour stock on my Groms To begin with.
Also that's on 2S. Most people that are going to be upgrading are going to be running 3S which is a lot faster.
Informative as always👍🏻
Thanks for watching :-)
Nail polish will eventually break down and stop being effective. It also sometimes can overheat the board.
Yeah anytime you add insulation it will definitely increase the retained heat.
Being essentially lacquer paint it will degrade eventually but I would expect It to be years before it happens.
This looks cool but I think the Furitek system is pretty awesome. This wind in price though.
Yes I suspect the furitek system will be overall superior but like you said it's also a lot more expensive. This is great for someone who just wants a bit more pep and wants to do it simply without spending a bunch of money.
How's the heat? Just picked one of these and didn't want to blow it up.
Not bad. The modern hobby wing stuff is pretty efficient. If you're going to run it in anything heavy or push it I would definitely recommend a fan but pretty much anything you get other than the granite is going to have a fan already anyway.
looks like a nice cheaper alternative to the Furitek Scorpion Combo, with how popular the grom line is hopefully HobbyWing comes out with a higher kv version to this
Agreed. I think a basher specific version would be nice.
"Girlfriend's" nail polish. 😉
Note how I never show my toes:)
Quick question, other then taking more space and getting a different pinion, why not get the 16bl30 quicrun combo. It’s the same price as the fusion mini 16
Those are really the two main advantages. The reality is there are a ton of different options for brushless systems on these cars I just think this one represents a really simple upgrade for those who aren't looking for maximum power and don't want to deal with figuring out where to put everything. The extra 10 bucks you have to spend on the pinion is also not inconsiderable given the cost of the upgrade itself.
@@DoRC right, forgot about the pinion, thanks for the reply, I see your point
Really loving your videos, for a beginner like me your explanations are very thorough. Based on your previous videos I'm planning on doing a Hobao Hyper 10tt 2.0 project (got a nice spare hobbywing motor and esc). Still hesitating a bit though between the Hobao and the LC racing PTG-1, do you know how they compare? It is meant for track fun, not bashing fun. (Apologies for the off-topic question 😁)
Honestly I can't really give you much of a recommendations on that. It would probably be best to go to your local track where you're actually planning on running and talk to the people there to see what they're using and what they would recommend.
@@DoRC Problem is that they are all running way too expensive cars there hahaha (Kyosho MP10). They actually recommended buggy or truggy, so based on that I can go either way. Center diff is probably convincing me to go for the Hobao.
@@nilssonck2475 gotcha. Are you planning on only racing or doing some bashing as well?
@@DoRC It's a no-racing-RC-club, so just a fun track. Seeing my skill level, the car should be able to take a hit though 😁. For pure bashing I got another cheap one.
@@nilssonck2475 okay. I noticed you said that they're running MP 10s. That's a 1/8 scale buggy. The vehicles you're talking about are 1/10 scale. Is that a concern?
I tried connecting this ESC to a 1500 mAh 15C 2S lithium ion battery using a EC2 to Deans adapter and it went into voltage protection almost immediately. The Spektrum adapter and stock battery works great. The battery is fully charged and came with my Haiboxing 16890. These batteries work fine in my Haiboxing 16889A Pro, 2996A, and Omni Terminator. In the Omni and the 2996A I run 2 in parallel for longer run times and it works great. I tried it with this ESC in my Typhon Grom and all I get is 3 beeps repeating. Do you have any Ideas? The Spektrum EC2 to IC2 adapter and stock battery works great, so I don't think the ESC is the issue.
Sounds like a bad adapter.
Will this fit in the mini lmt? I love mine, and it could use the extra punch. I have the 550 sized fusion in my trx4, and I love it.
Not sure. It does have the whole patterns for a lot of different options but I don't know if it will physically fit
first! I have been looking forward to learning more about this new small scale fusion. I have the larger one in my gorgon!
So far I'm really happy with it. It's the first fusion I have owned and even though I unfortunately wasn't able to take it apart to see inside it's still a pretty impressive machine.
yeah I'm going to pick one up following your review. since this is built for crawlers it should be close to a sensored system with very good low speed control as well so another advantage over the other system.
How does this compare to the new Furitek system for the Groms?
I don't have that system but based on what I've seen I suspect this will be not quite as powerful and not quite as feature-rich but it's also easier to install since you're not dealing with a separate ESC and quite a bit cheaper.
Where did you find this? I wanted this exact motor but I couldn’t find it anywhere. Even Hobbywing’s own site took me to a dead page when searching for that motor! I wound up going with a 4600kv 2848 in my Typhon Grom, but I would’ve preferred this for simplicity’s sake!
This was just released about a week ago. If you Google hobbywing fusion 16 it'll take you to it
@@DoRC Yeah I just checked and yes it’s working fine now! Damnit! I should’ve waited a few more weeks! I mean the 2848 is an absolute blast but it’s not a very clean install. Had to get creative with component placements for all the electronics.
@@2down4up Yeah that is definitely the beauty of this system above any of the other ones. Not having to find a place to put the ESC makes a big difference in packaging.
@@DoRC Maybe I pick one of these up and put in my Typhon and then get the Losi NASCAR and stick the 2848 and ESC in that. Thoughts?
@@2down4up hmm. Be honest the Typhon might actually benefit from more power than the Losi. On road cars tend to not get the best traction so they often can't really do much with extra power. It does also depend on how you bash those so it's hard to make a recommendation between the two.
You gonna get the furytech 5600kv. I think that's gonna be a better system for the losi Nascar
Probably not. It's been reviewed by a bunch of different people already so it probably wouldn't be worth making a video on. The Furitek system will almost certainly be superior but it's also quite a bit more expensive and you have to deal with figuring out where to put the ESC which I think is this system's main advantage.
wait, the mini Fusion is FAST? i thought it would crawl along, LOL. I guess settings matter. Was FOC mode still on?
The constant torque mode is disabled whenever you have forward brake reverse engaged but a crawler motor / ESC isn't actually anything special other than having some specific features. The reason a crawler is slow is because of the vehicle's gearing not really because of the motor or ESC.
Did you watch the video? He literally programmed it in the video.
@cody41895 honestly no. I didn't. Have a great day
Would it be good on the Mojave grom?
Yeah it should be fine on any of the Groms as long as you're not expecting to go a hundred miles an hour.
That’s pretty cool will it work on my Flysky Fsg7p cause I want it just fast enough for my Typhon Grom not too fast also I did my review on my Typhon grom hope you checked it out.
Yes. That's the transmitter I was using.
What do you think about the nail polish for waterproofing? Thanks
No issues so far. It was pointed out to me that because this is nitrocellulose lacquer it could degrade over time but in my research it will probably take at least a few years given that it's protected from UV and most harsh weather. Ultimately you're probably better off just buying a bottle of real conformal coding as it's not that expensive and last basically forever.
Cool and fun video! Don’t let your girlfriend catch you with her nail Polish…😆 Your videos always teach me something new!
Dude she has so much nail polish she would never even notice
Give your sister her polish back😊good video
Lol:)
Now how does this compare to the Furitek version?
Not sure. I expect the furitek to be a bit better but it's also more expensive and loses the advantage of the built-in ESC.
I just installed this motor in my Losi nascar and it’s awesome! I just have to figure out how to turn off the drag brake after letting of throttle it brakes really hard and fast I thought I had turned the drag brake of when I programmed it but not sure if it’s the motor program issue or the new fly sky gt6 transmitter possibly causing the issue? I am trying to have no brakes when throttle is off and have the car coast.
I didn't really notice an issue with that. I turned it off and it seemed to be off.
Totally newb to electric rc here coming from the nitro community but I think my issue with the brake was I did not hit the ok button after making my changes to the motor with the led program card. I just did it and am going to test it out. Also I seen someone else was able to program there’s with the lcd pro box I know you mentioned some issues with that. But again thanks so much for this video it gave me the confidence to try this and oh boy it’s perfect for what I needed! Thanks again have a great weekend!
What pinion would you use on that motor in a granite grom?
Works great with the stock pinion
where are the motor adapters? I am looking for an adapter for a 3650 to 2847 motor.
It's just a single adapter and if you look on the fusion 16 page hobby wings website they have it listed there
So I have 4 different groms I run them on all on this setup it’s QUICRUN 16BL30 Combo
30110000B04 4500kv 2s-3s system I run them on 3s all the time they do about 50mph with the gearing I used you should give it try it’s perfect setup and only $60 bucks and comes with a programmer.
Definitely a great combo and I have run it before. The main advantage this has over that combo and pretty much any other system is the fact that you don't need to figure out where to put the ESC which gives you more options for where to put the receiver.
@@DoRC yes I do like that setup I’ve never done an all in one setup didn’t think they would be efficient enough but watching ur video proved me wrong 🤣
What brand pinions are you running and have you found any with a true 2mm bore?
@@jonathangreen6427 yes true 2mm bore is gonna be from Robinson racing company
Where can I buy that front bumber?
Unfortunately you can't. It was designed and laser cut from delrin by me.
I’m thinking about trying this. Any issues where heat became a problem on 3s? I’ve looked everywhere for a heat sink and fan and there’s nothing out there for the mini 16.
I didn't personally have any overeating issues with the included fan blowing on it but I'm always hesitant to tell people they won't because that's sort of thing is really heavily dependent on driving style.
@ granite Grom had an included fan? I know there’s one in the motor housing.
This is a direct fit with stock gears on the Mojave Grom?
Yep. Works with the stock gears and stock motor mount. All you'll need is this and a receiver of your choice.
@@DoRC Awesome!! I have a half dozen Dumbo X6FGs/with Gyro receiver, and a few Mohave Groms just sitting in their boxes I was trying to figure out what to do with. Thanks!!
@NoodlesNJ1 Yeah there are definitely fancier and more powerful brushless systems You can go with but if you want cheap and simple for just a bit more zing it's hard to go wrong with this I think.
Will this drop into the Typhon Grom without moving the fan?
I don't have a Typhon chassis on hand to verify but it should. The total stock motor length is 42.5 mm and the fusion 16 is 43 mm so I believe there will be enough room
@@DoRC Would Spektrum adapter SPMXCA321 work for this setup if I wanted to use the stock battery?
Awesome ❤
Thanks for watching :-)
Do you have a link? I can't find the 3000KV....Thanks, Noodles
Just Google hobbywing fusion 16 and you'll find it
@@DoRC The highest KV Model on Google is 2300KV, Horizon Hobbies, Amazon, Amain, Tower, & Ebay. AliExpress, I also paused your video and took a screen shot of the box and did a photo search, and same results.
@@DoRCOnly Found it on HobbywingDirect, have to Advance Order it, it's out of stock.
Yassss!!!! Thank u!!!
Going to give it a try?
@@DoRCyuuup! Which programmer did you use?
@@gillyboyNY I ended up using the cheap LED box. The fancy LCD program box Pro as usual didn't work.
@@DoRC 😂 that’s funny rugs it’s not compatible with the hi end box. I guess I have to get the cheap one.
@@gillyboyNY Yeah I would imagine eventually it will be made compatible through a firmware update but they seem to have a habit of not having compatibility when they release something.
Do u need a new controller and receiver?
Yes unfortunately because the receiver is built into the stock ESC anytime you upgrade the ESC and motor you have to also swap out the receiver and transmitter.
@@DoRC Thanks man. I do need a good receiver and transmittter for my custom builds. Got any discounts or recommends? I own 15 or so rcs all on rtr stock electronics.
I give that nail polish about 9months before it dries out and cracks from the heat and vibrations
Maybe. It's nitrocellulose lacquer so whereas it's not the world's most durable thing it will probably at least last a few years in most cases.
I have been able to install this motor esc combo in the Losi nascar and noticed you changed the battery connection on it to run 3s if I remember correctly, so if I run the stock battery and my aftermarket battery has ec2 both 2s will the stock ec2 connector on the motor be sufficient?
Probably though it might be on the edge.
The motor says 30a continuous and 80a peak not sure if the peak power is full throttle? Or some kinda electric nitro feature to boost up to 80a?
Personally I probably would have used purple nail polish 😅
Nothing wrong with purples :-)
God for erevo 1.16??
Not sure. That's going to be a bit bigger and a bit heavier so you might find it to be underpowered.
Will it work on a mini B?
I'm not sure. I don't have one to try it on
That smc drops right in no issues? I’m trying to find a 3s for my groms
Yeah it's pretty tight on the granite chassis but it does fit.
@@DoRC I have a Typhon and Mojave so I should be okay then
@@AMM0394 I believe so yes.
Thanks k
Thanks for watching :-)
i use liquid electrical tape or dialectic grease to water proof my receivers!
Those work too :-)
@@DoRC great vid btw !
I’ve been looking for something to try and throw in my FMS fmt24 Colorado, mini basher. If anyone has swap a motor in or tried to, any advice is appreciated!
You would probably need something designed for the SCX24. I think Fury tech makes an option
Ok Hobbywings we need a set up similar but for bashers it’s perfect especially for smaller bashers now ya just need to make one specific for bashers so it’s faster. 👍
This really isn't being speed limited because it was originally designed for a crawler. The speed of crawlers is a function of their internal gearing not really of the motor that's driving them. The only thing really limiting the speed on this is going to be pinion size and heat generation. This is only really "crawler" set up because it has crawler specific programming available.
@@DoRC Could it be programmed to make it waster? Pinion size will probably be limited & it seems to get hotter then if used for crawling which cannot be good.
@@Casitascrawlers no. It's already as fast as it can be. Honestly though if you want to go faster than 35ish miles an hour This probably isn't going to be the type of system for you. The motor is just too small. This is more of a simple budget setup for people who want to go brushless and get a little bit more pep without spending a ton of money and having to deal with figuring out where to put the ESC.
If you really want to go fast you're better off going with something like the castle system
What the hell is a grom? What does it mean
The etymology of the word likely either comes from grommet meaning lowest ranking member on a ship or gremlin. More recently Honda has used it for a small motorcycle that they make. It is Arrmas smallest line of vehicles
Same as the dynamite
Yeah hobby wing makes all of horizons ESCs and motors
hot glue has allways worked for me to waterproof something
Definitely effective but with things like receivers you have to be careful because there's usually not a lot of extra room in the case. If you make the waterproofing too thick it won't fit.
Not the water! Nooooooooo! Lol
Got to keep him clean :-)
Still no links
Yeah I don't really do links because they're always changing and I don't want people to think I'm selling them something but usually you can find whatever I'm talking about through a quick Google search.
$150 on Amazon.....???? I paid less for the GROM rc car. Total overkill. If I want that kind of speed, I will upgrade to the 3s.
I think you might have been looking at the wrong fusion. This one is 60 bucks
Ballon lol and silicon grease
Definitely a good option!
Kind of torn between this Fusion 16 and the Furitek kit.
That's a tough one. The Furitek system is probably better but it's also quite a bit more expensive.
@@DoRC will you be making a vid on the furitek system?
@@powerlitep17 probably not. It's been out a little while now so other people have already made videos on it. The more other people make videos on something the less worthwhile it becomes for me to do it.
I just installed the Furitek system in my Mojave Grom this past weekend and it's great. Best $99 I've spent on any RC since converting the Gorgon to brushless. It's a little monster now.
@@boduke9428 nice! Yeah the furitek kit Will almost certainly be superior but it also costs quite a bit more. Like I said in the video I think this is best for someone who wants a little bit more pep and wants to be able to do it really easily without having to figure out where to put the ESC.
I've been curious about these fusion motors. Only seen them advertised for crawlers. But all the ratings I've read say they work great and have amazing power and low end crawler control.
Now I'm a novice and feel like every time I learn 1 thing,there's 3 more thing's wrong on 2 more cars and way too many different makes,models,gear sizes ,scale sizing,and not to mention how much false advertising you have to cautiosly wade through trying to find replacement parts,or alternate upgrades? I feel like a guppy in a lake full of whales.
But seem's to me that if these fusion motors can run that much more efficiant,it's only a matter of months before they'll figure out how to make these for 1/10-8 bashers and so on? Also looks to me that if you wanted,you have room for and could still retrofit a heatsink and fan to one of these fusion motors? But ,I really have no clue! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the esc no longer needing to be so large and cooled??? But it obviously works,right? So I'm more than sure that if they figured out brushless from brushed in 25+yrs,then from brushless to brushless fusion in around a decade,give or take a couple yrs? Anyway,they'll have them for 1/10 + bashers in a couple yrs time I'd bet? In fact I'd bet the ranch they're working on a prototype right now as they are beginning thier day,and we're finishing ours. I wish I could say that I thought there was a US manufacturure ,developer working on something like this! But we hardly make anything in this country anymore. Anywho,you're the most informative,in the know,guy on the net. You have extensive RC backround and connects! You da man,bro! So,what do you think?
I think it'll be quick! But Nobody is going to be able to afford them except the very well off. I'm guessing around $300.00 for 1/10 and increases with size like all things RC? By the time the average kid saves up that much,they often hit puberty,or just become disinterested and find other things to spend thier money on.
Hobby wing actually already has fusion motors for 1/10 scales. I put one in my raider XL build. You can check out that video. They're not actually that expensive. I wouldn't say they're necessarily more efficient than having a separate ESC and motor. Between limited space and limited cooling area they're actually probably a little less efficient but they certainly are space efficient! Check out the hobbywing fusion pro for what I used in the raider build.
But how much was everything? I gotta granite grom.I wanna upgrade
When you say everything what are you referring to?
Fusion 16 system is $59 direct from Hobbywing.
Mojave is not a French word. Its not mohavay
I'll let the script writer know:)