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Thanks Matt for a great update. Call me old fashioned but I don’t think i’ll ever get used to seeing the grinders peddling bikes around the race course
There seems at least to be some visual similarities between both styles of grinding whereas I see far greater differences in how sails are trimmed now, ropes have morphed into a control box.
@@grantconway5577 Interesting isnt it. I think the ropes have morphed into hydraulic lines. We forget they are sail boats, not rope boats or grinder boats - the one constant is the re-direction of power from the wind and its translation into movement of a boat using re-shapable foils that the crew can trim.
The cup should be defended by the country, in the country that holds it. The cup brings in money, prestige and places the country holding it on the worlds stage. If the U.K. wins then hold it in the U.K., if Italy wins then presto, hold it there. If the Middle East puts up a challenger that wins then again hold it there. Yes Bermuda was an anomaly as was the Swiss defence in the early 2000’s. These are big businesses and should be returning the benefits to the country and also ban the government’s from sponsorship by way of using taxpayer funds.
I really hope this is not designed to become just a "agreeable" play between NZ and Britain. There has to be more teams than just two. That should be in the protocol too.
There is only one “challenger of record” (I think that may be specified in the Deed of Gift). This time round it’s Britain/Ineos. Last time it was Italy/Luna Rosa. I think there is a lot of back-room negotiating and arm-twisting toward the end of an AC competition to determine who will be the next CoR. Ineos prevailed this time. The defending nation then determines which boat will actually defend (in recent years there has been only one candidate, but back in the day this competition for the defender spot was severe), and the CoR sets up the competition among nations to determine which nation will race the defender for the AC.
@@hurri7720 They were first to put the challenge in. They did it as soon as the boats crossed the line in the last cup!!! Can't help thinking that this really suits Ben, being an oversized dingy!!!!
@@pauljamison3340 Does the first the put in the challenge become the challenger of record? Is that in the protocol? By the time the race is held, the Brits will not have been the challenger of record for 60-years. At least they can't use that as another excuse for loosing the cup again. 170 years since their last and only win. Well maybe Sir Bradley, Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas can give them a leg up.
Dalton has all the makings of a turncoat. His ego will not allow him to negotiate with Dunphy. Win in Auckland, defend in Auckland. Nothing else is acceptable. New Zealanders will disconnect if the Cup is defended at a foriegn venue.
I’d love it if we had a team, but I can’t see anyone wanting to participate. No venue and therefore a compressed development schedule! Likely case, tens of millions spent on a boat that becomes worthless when the event is over. I hope I’m wrong.
Yeah James! I miss him with Mercedes Petronas AMG team, but glad he has this to sink his teeth know. Don’t forget Valterri is working on his biking along with his girlfriend Tiffany who is a pro cyclist.
I don't understand the requirement to have these hydrogen boats. What does it have to do with sailing and how is it better for the environment ? Hydrogen is inefficient to make : even if made from green power it still takes away by factor 1.5 from other usage. Could you ask them in the next interview ? Thank you for the video, clear and precise.
@@nzsaltflatsracer8054 I agree ! What method is to be used to obtain the Hydrogen ? Sounds like a silly greeny lean to please the nutty enviro hand ringers .
Great piece of reporting - although what did we actually learn we are going to have a series including women's and youths Americas cup with no idea of venue 2024.
They should never have received taxpayer funding. Now they want to take the show in the road to a Middle Eastern dictatorship. Disgraceful. So much for reducing the cost to get more teams in.
Yep, NZ proved its public support but going light air is not the Kiwi way is it… I would have liked a design to handle heavier winds that test crews and gear.
Just hope that MNAs are ready to soak up all the new sailing fans that are going to spin out of the ‘Shared Recon’ media show. This could be the one thing that moves the needle more than any other in the development of sailing worldwide. This will require joined up thinking
The Royal Yacht Squadron (UK) were the first yacht club to present an official challenge after the Kiwis successfully defended the Cup this year. Normally the defender would host the next Cup in their home waters, but they are not obliged under the rules to do so. Running a Cup defence is expensive, so too is hosting the event. Whether people agree or not, cost and lack of funds is the main reason why the next Cup may not take place in NZ. It’s proving to be a contentious topic but cost is at the heart of the issue
@@jt5439 The Americas Cup is not a men’s event. Women aren’t excluded from teams, they’re just not good enough to make them. If women want equality in Sport then having their own token event isn’t the answer. They need to get better.
You could argue it either way, but commercially the model of professional tennis is very attractive. A segmented market makes it easier to attract sponsors who can see what they are buying into and whether it fits their marketing goals. Sponsor money going specifically into the female format can then fund the development of more female participants, the emergence of female stars and a larger public audience for the sport . Later on you can still introduce the equivalent of the mixed doubles format in tennis, mixed crews. Or you could go for a completely integrated approach, but now with a bigger audience and more publicly-known female participants and media commentators in the sport.
Neither just attitude towards them. Just look at three of the comments here which sum up what they have to put up with. One by John another by a Paul further down. Or alternatively look into dee cafferi team. All the other sailors got another ride after racing around the world despite where their boat came bar a certain navigator.
I totally get America's Cup to push technology etc. But this has very little to do with sailing. The boats only ever go upwind, the point of W/L is the control shifts, the trailing boat with bad wind upwind then can blanket the boat on the downwind leg. Numerous times in last AC we saw who won the start or could squeeze the other boat on 1st leg then won. This technology is unlikely to make it to production mono hulls due to its high risk/unstable/twitchy behaviour. Be better to see technology like c foils etc advanced, which can be trickled into more general purpose mono hulls etc. Better of supporting 52 Super series, Vendee Global and some of these different hull designs like Lombard Class 40 etc. This is technology that will eventually trickle to 99.9% of the people/sailors in the sport.
It’s got everything to do with sailing. Your problem appears to be that you’re stuck in the paradigm of matched boats that require lots if crew to behave like a team sport like rugby. But while that is applicable to a given class the america’s cup’s primary historical raison d’etre was about testing one country’s boat design against another’s. That’s what the challenge was over. It hasn’t always been about the state of the art of the fastest sail powered boat but historically that has primarily been due to cost controlling measures. But the costs of IACC campaigns kind of put the lie to that anyway. I do agree that in this format at these speeds the windward leeward rules really do need revisiting in this class due to the direction, size, and location of the wind wake at these speeds, whether uphill or downhill.
@weatheranddarkness Interesting points and your right by definition its sailing, but it's not racing in the traditional sense of W/L of which I still argue is the wrong format for these boats. I can't speak for the other 99.9% of mono hull racers, but I can't imagine many are going to enjoy racing if once your behind your gased for the rest of the race. I don't understand your other point regarding crew size and match racing, maybe your mixing up your response to a different post? At no point was I arguing for example grinders or in the future cyclist with zero sailing knowledge was or wasn't sailing. Match racing with 2 crew or a rugby team doesn't change the technology in these boats being niche and unlikely to propagate to the rest of the boats/sailors in the world. You seem to be arguing against me by actually arguing my case in a different way. "America's Cup primary historical reason d'etre was about testing one country's boat against another's". You do this very thing by "pushing technology" (boat design, innovation, materials, sail design etc). Many argue having to run the engine or have battery banks to race isn't sailing. I am open to all of this and the new Melgees 40 despite new technology, batteries etc is still going to have the same W/L and reaching principals as say Melgees 32, just faster and new combinations of tuning with a canting keel. At the end of the day the dynamic complex foil systems in a AC75 is not likely to be incorporated in production boats, where simpler static foils like on Imocca's or Figaro 3 for example is.
If its a choice between arms or legs for the hydraulic power creation, surely its legs which are larger muscle groups? Just round up some UK Olympic level cyclists and there's your power source, then Ben Ainslee on helm and you're ready ⛵️
Ok - wild idea on power generation. Bear with me. So it should never be about power, human power that is. It’s not about grunty fit males grinding or biking. That’s trained monkey level (sorry fitness freaks). It’s about the nuances of sail control and supreme tactical racing skills. None of which should be defined by body size. Here’s a solution for input in 2028, I’m too good to you designers. No bikes, no hand grinders. Power supplied by a form of hydrodynamic power harvesting and retained with battery banks for use as defined by the sailors. I’m no engineer, but like all RUclips viewers (a blessing and a curse) there are insights. Power harvesting: impeller, wind vane, call it what you will. I envisage a hugely efficient “Walker Log”. Put the laughter back now everyone. That power generation, it’s not my role to invent it, has to work below foiling speeds and supplies the bank of batteries (power reserve units call them what you will, they may not even have to be electrical based) and thus operates the winches etc that used to be human powered. Standardise these two items if you will or leave them open to development. Standardisation will drive better sailing skills, development to better engineering skills and implementation. There, back to my cup of tea and toast, my work as a Naval Architect was short lived and is now complete….
The current foil systems depend on hydraulics and computer adjustments to make them work......A far cry from "the nuances of sail control and supreme tactical racing skills. There are computer programs that tell them they might be 'Over Early', when to tack. I think we need to revert to simpler systems that rely on the skill of the crew to race the boat rather than artificial intelligence. Also I would like to see the 'American' boat crewed by Americans, the only New Zealanders are on the New Zealand boat and Australia is there as well.......And power generation from the water? Way too much drag.
@@jessiebrader2926 fair play Jessie, I was just having an early morning download. I certainly agree with Brits for British boats and it being origin or passport based. Shades of Zola Budd if your memory goes back that far. And yes IT is prevalent in all our worlds now, but I do think the drag issue is too easily dismissed. The “clever” people out there should be able to look at refining what ever and how ever you use the vessels passage through the water to generate power. Whoever thought you’d see the Hobie Mirage kayak paddles as a means of propulsion? The inventors are out there still - sadly I’m not one of them.
It's considered a great shame that Team New Zealand, Despite years of public and government support, Essentially sold the Hosting for the next cup overseas. Especially stings seeing them talk about the next generation getting to watch the race..
What’s he got to do with sailing? Basically you’re using him as a Scottish battery. You dilute the intrinsic “sailingness” of it all by bringing in any of the retired old boys (girls are available - but in modern speak they are less energy dense) of cycling… I don’t want to see the fittest win, I want to see the cleverest win.
@@guygillmore2970 Sure. We COULD build such vessels. We could remove the crew completely and sail them by remote control. Or, less extreme, just single handed. Quite possibly, the reduction in weight would more than compensate for the extra drag created, but would it be The America’s Cup?
@@q.e.d.9112 & Guy Gillmore. Interesting points. The crew is part of the essential mix as far as I'm concerned, if only because its entertaining to see the way that human smarts and human errors play out over time with a bit of nature thrown in. The crew has always been a source of both brain and braun throughout the history of sail, so why separate it now? Does it really matter if its a hand grinder or a leg bike, or just a hand on a main-sheet?
It seems that the venue was felt to restrict the course/leg length and thereby the tactical and boathandling aspects of racing. The latter have suffered with recent cups and placed too much emphasis on technology and boat design at the expense of sailing
Very good reportage. However, I feel that these guys (holder & challenger) are loosing the spirit behind this cup by creating all these other "diversions", e.g., class 40, etc.
And what's with these chase boat mandates? Is the Cup now to be used as a political vehicle to push for greener boating? That's not what the Cup is about, nor should it be.
3 Challengers and 1 Defender big wow - AC has really going down hill, even with adding Women's & Youth Cup, the AC event will never match the height of 1987 at Fremantle when there were 13 teams going for the LV Cup and 4 teams competing to be the Defender. With 3 Challengers it will be incredibly boring to see the same teams racing each other again and again. Vast amount of investment is so important nowadays that a contestant must have the funds to build a F-22 of sailboats - not sustainable.
Not all that happy with the protocol. Leaves very little time for designing, building and developing a boat. Makes it very difficult for new team entry. Think they have 20 days to sail a used boat. I think too much of the focus is in controlling cost. I wish they’d stop worrying about that. The Cup has always been an expensive endeavor and yet has survived. That said, the new protocol, especially with no venue announced, will force designers to come up with an all purpose boat and that’s a good thing.
The new designs.... Exciting....? Maybe...Innovative...? Probably..Yet to me, they have lost the "True Essence of Sailing"...Such vessels may well perform exceptionally, when conditions are ideal....What about when weather, which thankfully Mankind has Not Yet been able to control, is less than "perfect"..? Who can forget the spectacular breaking of the Team New Zealand Yacht's mast, when racing against "Alinghi" in a quite heavy swell, some years back...? Or U.S.A.'s Team Oracle's equally spectacular "flying catmaran", take flght briefly before pitching head first and upending, in choppy seas...? These racing boats in reality, have as much relevance to mainstream regattas and sailing as Formular 1 cars have to everyday hatchbacks..!
I think it has to do with the mechanical power requirements to sail the boat safely. The larger boat would require more power per person than the smaller boat (mass increases ^2, deck area increases linearly). It might also be related to being more affordable to less well sponsored teams.
Thanks 🙏 Why is Ben talking like he is running the cup ? Dalton will school you just wait ! Also Ben Pete and Blair were olympic medalists before the youth America’s cup they didn’t come from there Whatever suits your narrative Ben
Ok, looks cool but will the racing be as boring as the last AC. Races were not close, 99% decided at the start line, AC lost me then and probably any non-boater that watched. People are more interested in competition than whiz bang contraptions that are not competitive with each other. When will AC get that?
If they don’t race this in NZ and sell out to corporates … remove the label “Team NZ” … because after all the tax payer money and support … you won’t deserve that label.
You are naive Taxpayers of NZ contributed a fraction of the actual cost needed most was corporate funding and if not for covid NZ would have benefited much more than they contributed.
Overall good report. What puzzles me though is that modern society, particularly in the US and Europe, it's pounded into our skulls 24/7 that there's no difference between males and females..note I did not say "men and women." Given that it's accepted that there's no difference, how can a female Cup proceed? If diversity is what is sought then include females in the crews. And what's next besides that? A female youth and a male youth cup? A LGBT cup?
…… and why not a trans-gender AC? And a black AC. And an indigenous AC. And a Remainer versus Brexiteer AC but no foreigners allowed on the Brexiteer boat. But the Remainer boat can have crew from the whole EU. 😂
So they're going to have cyclists on board instead of sailors? That doesn't sound "progressive" to me, that sounds ridiculous. The pinnacle of yacht racing and the boat will be crewed with a few bike riders and not all sailors doesn't sound like something to look forward to. Especially for the sailors who'll miss out on a spot to a push bike rider, that is sad stuff
Until the boats look anything other than horrendous, none of the technology matters. These monohulls are as attractive as trash barges, with the broken arms dangling off the edge.
Iam divided about the boats for the A Cup. Foils are not sailing. There is no room for the slightest mistake in foiled boats. The sea must be a lagoon, very small waves and they run with almost no wind. I love sailing but the AC became an autorama. I will follow it anyway but I would like to see big boats offshore in a match race. All the best, good winds
The sea must be a lagoon to foil? Tell that to the skippers of the Ultimes racing the Transat Jacques Vabre at 30+kts. The America Cup boats aren't designed to race in rougher water but that's not a factor of foil technology. Other aspects of the architecture limit their use in more varied conditions. Big boats, been there done that. Too costly, too slow. The race needs to attract a more captivated audience in a world where attentions spans have virtually vanished. That['s not going to happen with maxi-sized displacement yachts as interesting in their own special way that they are.
All this new technology has killed the America's. I do not want to see "flying" boats", that is not sailing. The cup leaving Newport was the start of the end as a beautiful spinnaker set and sailing tacticians are now a thing of the past. Leave this push for high speed in auto racing and get back to the true America's cup racing and true boat handling.
The goal is clearly to broaden the appeal of the AC, and the foiling boats do that - they grab the attention of non-sailors. Like it or not in reality the racing you advocate would be considered impenetrable, slow and boring by that audience. They are going where the eyeballs and money are...
@@vandemonian5412 I mean the loss in 1983 lead to just one more cup in the 12 meter era. Then the larger AC class, which I was OK with, but now Boats that "fly" are not for me. Just call me old school but thats how I feel.
Yes I get all that, follow the money, bring young crowds in with the new high speed designs. I guess just call me old school. I have been a big AC fan going back to the late 1950's. I just feel all this high tech has taken a lot of the charm out of it.
@@goldenstars8983 Each to their own. Personally i'm enthralled by the way they sail, and see the under-water foils as a logical evolution and extension of the principles of lift that make a sail work. As for the aesthetics of the sport, I like the move to mono-hulls - that satisfies my hankering for tradition.
this is barely sailing anymore. riding bikes attached to props? lame. this is what happens when billionaires have a vanity project. always "improving" things that were great to begin with.
That's right, add social justice to Americas Cup to turn it to shit like everything else going woke. I for one will NOT be watching a woke spectacle. Either go sailing and drop the politics or do it on your own time. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! And if you want to see how to make the Cup exciting, go watch Wind. That movie showed us how to do it.
Reactionary nonsense. You really don’t understand the concepts you think you’re arguing against do you? Just goes to show it doesn’t take a towering intellect to think like a conservative. Have you considered that your being triggered about the outreach program within the AC, and being afraid of “wokeness” is more a ‘you’ problem?
I thought that they would be showing the hi-tech foiling sailboats, but instead it was nothing but talking heads. These people know nothing about making an interesting video about an interesting subject. Quickly moving on to something better.
Venue: New Zealand and Australia have turned into Police States. Only a fool would visit let alone establish a business there! Florida in the United States has strong Leadership and can even move ahead when the President of the United States drools on. Perhaps Tampa Bay or Charlotte Harbor on the west coast of Florida and you can watch the sun set over the water every evening. Woman’s Team: Politically Correct but do not be surprised if every Country has men/aka woman transsexuals as crew. Most United States Woman’s High School and College Sports Records have already been broken, and rendered irrelevant, due to this “Sensitive Issue”. Thank you former a President Barack Obama. Hydrogen: Again, Politically Correct but, if you want to “meet consumers closer to the middle”, Electric is the only way. Still only a “rich man’s opportunity” but closer to reality. Rules: Get all of the parties in a room, lock the doors, sit them down and make decisions. Unfortunately, the Decision Makers are a bunch of spoiled rich boys that only play if they get their way and are out of touch with most sailors. America’s Ted Turner was one of the biggest spoiled boys. His punishment is he now has to live with Hanoi Jane (Fonda), a living American Traitor. The technology that comes out of the America’s Cup is priceless for the boating world. It is the politics that really screws the process. Lastly, we should not give a crap if someone is male, female or identifies as a vegetable or a rock. Get the best crew. Male, female or rock! That has been my experience in sailing and work. Be well.
Bro, florida is trash. The gov of florida can hardly be compared with that of nation states that take the job of governance seriously. Go wave your maga flag somewhere else
@@weatheranddarkness Please respond with Knowledge instead of keyboard insults. I mentioned Police States, Business Climate, Woman Teams and Quality Venues with good water (a boating term). You were triggered by the State venue. When businesses perform long-term planning, they look for a stable business environment. Florida has been the most stable business environment throughout COVID-19.
You can mention whatever you want. But asking me to validate you paranoid delusions by engaging with your specious claims? Ain’t gonna happen. Go peddle your profit-over-people theocracy to somebody more gullible.
@@weatheranddarkness Triggered. Check and Mate! But, you still have an opportunity in the future to accept Wisdom.....when you are ready. We are ready to Welcome and Educate You. But your Hate has no Home with us. Leave the Hate with those who have troubled you.
@@muskietime you talking about hate? Look in the mirror. Your ethos rests on a bed of hatred. You're getting up in arms/ dismissive towards an ethics that puts inclusion first and you're acting like that is tantamount to hatred. That is truly bizarre.
You are taking out a tonne of mass NOT a tonne of weight. You laggard ex-imperialist unit users can't comprehend the the weight is a variable depending on the acceleration the boats are transiting - (or Liberia and the USA - take heed and Join the ISO world.
Great to see them doing something about the light airs issues.
Ben, it’s James here, sail faster
Let's hope we never see a "Multi 21" style incident in the AC...! ;)
Valterri, it's James. Duck Ben please, I repeat, duck Ben
An excellent piece of reporting. Very excited by this protocol and the pathway (in so many ways) forward for the AC. Bravo to both D and CoR.
Do you like the possibility of push bike riders being part of the crew instead of sailors?
Thanks Matt, keeping us up to date. I'm looking forward to Jason Kenny having 7 golds and an AC win!
Who is Jason Kenny?
@@blogsfred3187 Olympic cyclist
As always, clear and detailed reporting, thank you.
I have watched a few of your videos and I think I am hooked on your style and content. I have subscribed now. I really like your perspective on what is generally going on in the sailing community around the world. You're different and very knowledgeable. That's what makes you good.
Thanks Matt for a great update. Call me old fashioned but I don’t think i’ll ever get used to seeing the grinders peddling bikes around the race course
There seems at least to be some visual similarities between both styles of grinding whereas I see far greater differences in how sails are trimmed now, ropes have morphed into a control box.
@@grantconway5577 Interesting isnt it. I think the ropes have morphed into hydraulic lines. We forget they are sail boats, not rope boats or grinder boats - the one constant is the re-direction of power from the wind and its translation into movement of a boat using re-shapable foils that the crew can trim.
The cup should be defended by the country, in the country that holds it. The cup brings in money, prestige and places the country holding it on the worlds stage.
If the U.K. wins then hold it in the U.K., if Italy wins then presto, hold it there. If the Middle East puts up a challenger that wins then again hold it there. Yes Bermuda was an anomaly as was the Swiss defence in the early 2000’s.
These are big businesses and should be returning the benefits to the country and also ban the government’s from sponsorship by way of using taxpayer funds.
So strange seeing James Allison and it not being an F1 video lol
Strange seeing him in a plain shirt, it looks a bit weird
Thanks, as ever.
Awesome job. I didn’t bother reading or watching any other news of the protocol. Just wait for this nugget of info. Thankyou
Sounds like a large improvement in technology, I wonder how many boats will enter with what I would guess is a big price tag?
And trailing Mercedes F1 pedigree joining the AC is Red Bull F1 pedigree to keep the heat up. Just awesome! And so looking forward to 2024!
I really hope this is not designed to become just a "agreeable" play between NZ and Britain.
There has to be more teams than just two. That should be in the protocol too.
The AC is between 2 boats: the Challenger and the Defender. Everything else is Prada Cup.
@@OnzeManInKazakhstan , Yes but without that it gets uninteresting.
PS. Why is Britain the Challenger now.
There is only one “challenger of record” (I think that may be specified in the Deed of Gift). This time round it’s Britain/Ineos. Last time it was Italy/Luna Rosa. I think there is a lot of back-room negotiating and arm-twisting toward the end of an AC competition to determine who will be the next CoR. Ineos prevailed this time. The defending nation then determines which boat will actually defend (in recent years there has been only one candidate, but back in the day this competition for the defender spot was severe), and the CoR sets up the competition among nations to determine which nation will race the defender for the AC.
@@hurri7720 They were first to put the challenge in. They did it as soon as the boats crossed the line in the last cup!!! Can't help thinking that this really suits Ben, being an oversized dingy!!!!
@@pauljamison3340 Does the first the put in the challenge become the challenger of record? Is that in the protocol? By the time the race is held, the Brits will not have been the challenger of record for 60-years. At least they can't use that as another excuse for loosing the cup again. 170 years since their last and only win. Well maybe Sir Bradley, Chris Froome and Geraint Thomas can give them a leg up.
Looking forward to seeing the Class Rules! 😎
Class rule draft is published Max..check out..SA 😳
@@barfootSmitty Thanks, didn't realise a new Topic had been started there. Downloaded it now, cheers! 😎
Dalton has all the makings of a turncoat.
His ego will not allow him to negotiate with Dunphy.
Win in Auckland, defend in Auckland.
Nothing else is acceptable.
New Zealanders will disconnect if the Cup is defended at a foriegn venue.
Totally agree. Also, if they do leave nz waters they should not get a cent from us taxpayers.
And I suggest to use oar-powered chase boats to make them more "renewable." With hulls made of carboard and plastic bags.
HOW ABSOLUTELY DARE YOU SAY THE WORD PLASTIC
@@exploranator ooops. Didn't mean to perpetrate microaggression. My deepest apologies!!!!😀
PLEASE AUSTRALIA, Start a team!!!
I’d love it if we had a team, but I can’t see anyone wanting to participate. No venue and therefore a compressed development schedule! Likely case, tens of millions spent on a boat that becomes worthless when the event is over. I hope I’m wrong.
Australia Sailors are Outstanding but the Citizens are simple pawns to their overlord government.
Yeah James! I miss him with Mercedes Petronas AMG team, but glad he has this to sink his teeth know. Don’t forget Valterri is working on his biking along with his girlfriend Tiffany who is a pro cyclist.
Thats too funny, Botas gets a job on the Mercedes sponsored boat as a cyclist.
I didn’t know the Brits had already filled the gap with Luna Rossa…forgotten the last Prada Cup?
I don't understand the requirement to have these hydrogen boats. What does it have to do with sailing and how is it better for the environment ? Hydrogen is inefficient to make : even if made from green power it still takes away by factor 1.5 from other usage. Could you ask them in the next interview ? Thank you for the video, clear and precise.
Yeah I had a WTF moment when I heard that too!
@@nzsaltflatsracer8054 I agree ! What method is to be used to obtain the Hydrogen ? Sounds like a silly greeny lean to please the nutty enviro hand ringers .
it has NOTHING to do with sailing and everything to do with progressive plague that infected New Zealand lately.
Great piece of reporting - although what did we actually learn we are going to have a series including women's and youths Americas cup with no idea of venue 2024.
If Team New Zealand walk away from hosting the Cup in New Zealand they portray the people of New Zealand who have stuck by them through thick and thin
I think you might mean “betray”…….
They should never have received taxpayer funding.
Now they want to take the show in the road to a Middle Eastern dictatorship. Disgraceful.
So much for reducing the cost to get more teams in.
I agree.....NZ people are a little tired of the ever greater demands. Especially in the midst of pandemic "tough times".
Yep, NZ proved its public support but going light air is not the Kiwi way is it… I would have liked a design to handle heavier winds that test crews and gear.
@@PhilbyFavourites Simple error...he was on the port side.
Just hope that MNAs are ready to soak up all the new sailing fans that are going to spin out of the ‘Shared Recon’ media show. This could be the one thing that moves the needle more than any other in the development of sailing worldwide. This will require joined up thinking
Two questions, How did the Brits become the challenger, and why would the venue not be N.Z.
The Royal Yacht Squadron (UK) were the first yacht club to present an official challenge after the Kiwis successfully defended the Cup this year. Normally the defender would host the next Cup in their home waters, but they are not obliged under the rules to do so. Running a Cup defence is expensive, so too is hosting the event. Whether people agree or not, cost and lack of funds is the main reason why the next Cup may not take place in NZ. It’s proving to be a contentious topic but cost is at the heart of the issue
@@PlanetSailOnline Thank you.
These designs remind me of the hydrofoils from Britian to France across the Channel. Bring back traditional sailing and keep the hull in the water.
How about Key West Florida for the venue ok. Maybe Miami
Nice one Matt...how about the "deed" of AC38? Seems a strange duck.
I didn’t know the America’s Cup wasn’t a woman’s event….
Have you seen a woman's race? I haven't
@@jt5439 The Americas Cup is not a men’s event. Women aren’t excluded from teams, they’re just not good enough to make them. If women want equality in Sport then having their own token event isn’t the answer. They need to get better.
Why is a women's America's cup as step forward for equality? It seems like segregation to me.
You could argue it either way, but commercially the model of professional tennis is very attractive. A segmented market makes it easier to attract sponsors who can see what they are buying into and whether it fits their marketing goals. Sponsor money going specifically into the female format can then fund the development of more female participants, the emergence of female stars and a larger public audience for the sport .
Later on you can still introduce the equivalent of the mixed doubles format in tennis, mixed crews. Or you could go for a completely integrated approach, but now with a bigger audience and more publicly-known female participants and media commentators in the sport.
Are women barred from competing in the regular americas cup? Or are they just not strong enough?
Neither just attitude towards them. Just look at three of the comments here which sum up what they have to put up with. One by John another by a Paul further down. Or alternatively look into dee cafferi team. All the other sailors got another ride after racing around the world despite where their boat came bar a certain navigator.
British? the challangers? What about Luna Rossa?
Luna Rossa hasn’t made a challenge yet
Who?
@@petittrainguernsey3297 those who gave you match racing lessons some months ago
Britain is the challenger of record not the only challenger
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Never heard of her.
Does Australia have a boat ?
Why not just a mixed crew for AC75 and a mixed youth crew for AC40.
So who is making the AC40s? Didn't Persico have something like this already?
Apparently another outfit entirely. It sounds like there’s a possibility there will be two classes of 40footers in this style.
Overview next americas cup in Barcelona 2024
America cube was all women. They had a fast boat as well.
Did they win?
I totally get America's Cup to push technology etc. But this has very little to do with sailing. The boats only ever go upwind, the point of W/L is the control shifts, the trailing boat with bad wind upwind then can blanket the boat on the downwind leg. Numerous times in last AC we saw who won the start or could squeeze the other boat on 1st leg then won.
This technology is unlikely to make it to production mono hulls due to its high risk/unstable/twitchy behaviour. Be better to see technology like c foils etc advanced, which can be trickled into more general purpose mono hulls etc.
Better of supporting 52 Super series, Vendee Global and some of these different hull designs like Lombard Class 40 etc. This is technology that will eventually trickle to 99.9% of the people/sailors in the sport.
It’s got everything to do with sailing. Your problem appears to be that you’re stuck in the paradigm of matched boats that require lots if crew to behave like a team sport like rugby. But while that is applicable to a given class the america’s cup’s primary historical raison d’etre was about testing one country’s boat design against another’s. That’s what the challenge was over. It hasn’t always been about the state of the art of the fastest sail powered boat but historically that has primarily been due to cost controlling measures. But the costs of IACC campaigns kind of put the lie to that anyway.
I do agree that in this format at these speeds the windward leeward rules really do need revisiting in this class due to the direction, size, and location of the wind wake at these speeds, whether uphill or downhill.
@weatheranddarkness Interesting points and your right by definition its sailing, but it's not racing in the traditional sense of W/L of which I still argue is the wrong format for these boats. I can't speak for the other 99.9% of mono hull racers, but I can't imagine many are going to enjoy racing if once your behind your gased for the rest of the race.
I don't understand your other point regarding crew size and match racing, maybe your mixing up your response to a different post? At no point was I arguing for example grinders or in the future cyclist with zero sailing knowledge was or wasn't sailing. Match racing with 2 crew or a rugby team doesn't change the technology in these boats being niche and unlikely to propagate to the rest of the boats/sailors in the world.
You seem to be arguing against me by actually arguing my case in a different way. "America's Cup primary historical reason d'etre was about testing one country's boat against another's". You do this very thing by "pushing technology" (boat design, innovation, materials, sail design etc).
Many argue having to run the engine or have battery banks to race isn't sailing. I am open to all of this and the new Melgees 40 despite new technology, batteries etc is still going to have the same W/L and reaching principals as say Melgees 32, just faster and new combinations of tuning with a canting keel.
At the end of the day the dynamic complex foil systems in a AC75 is not likely to be incorporated in production boats, where simpler static foils like on Imocca's or Figaro 3 for example is.
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Get Filippo Ganna on the boat!
Well you defo can’t book flights on Aeroflot.
Boats are shorter, no bowsprit. Details in Print is better than mouths and video!!
Ben Ainslie: What's a yoof?
How to kill an MP! or what public position is that guy in?
If its a choice between arms or legs for the hydraulic power creation, surely its legs which are larger muscle groups? Just round up some UK Olympic level cyclists and there's your power source, then Ben Ainslee on helm and you're ready ⛵️
Good Old Dalton:) He`s the T-Rex for every heroe, who wants to beat New Zealand 👀
Ok - wild idea on power generation. Bear with me.
So it should never be about power, human power that is. It’s not about grunty fit males grinding or biking. That’s trained monkey level (sorry fitness freaks). It’s about the nuances of sail control and supreme tactical racing skills. None of which should be defined by body size.
Here’s a solution for input in 2028, I’m too good to you designers. No bikes, no hand grinders. Power supplied by a form of hydrodynamic power harvesting and retained with battery banks for use as defined by the sailors.
I’m no engineer, but like all RUclips viewers (a blessing and a curse) there are insights. Power harvesting: impeller, wind vane, call it what you will. I envisage a hugely efficient “Walker Log”. Put the laughter back now everyone. That power generation, it’s not my role to invent it, has to work below foiling speeds and supplies the bank of batteries (power reserve units call them what you will, they may not even have to be electrical based) and thus operates the winches etc that used to be human powered.
Standardise these two items if you will or leave them open to development. Standardisation will drive better sailing skills, development to better engineering skills and implementation.
There, back to my cup of tea and toast, my work as a Naval Architect was short lived and is now complete….
The current foil systems depend on hydraulics and computer adjustments to make them work......A far cry from "the nuances of sail control and supreme tactical racing skills. There are computer programs that tell them they might be 'Over Early', when to tack. I think we need to revert to simpler systems that rely on the skill of the crew to race the boat rather than artificial intelligence. Also I would like to see the 'American' boat crewed by Americans, the only New Zealanders are on the New Zealand boat and Australia is there as well.......And power generation from the water? Way too much drag.
@@jessiebrader2926 fair play Jessie, I was just having an early morning download.
I certainly agree with Brits for British boats and it being origin or passport based. Shades of Zola Budd if your memory goes back that far. And yes IT is prevalent in all our worlds now, but I do think the drag issue is too easily dismissed.
The “clever” people out there should be able to look at refining what ever and how ever you use the vessels passage through the water to generate power. Whoever thought you’d see the Hobie Mirage kayak paddles as a means of propulsion? The inventors are out there still - sadly I’m not one of them.
It's considered a great shame that Team New Zealand, Despite years of public and government support, Essentially sold the Hosting for the next cup overseas.
Especially stings seeing them talk about the next generation getting to watch the race..
What happened to the old fashioned monohull
Er… they are old fashioned. Do keep up.
Wahoo here come the cyclors
Get Chris Hoy peddling on the boat!
What’s he got to do with sailing?
Basically you’re using him as a Scottish battery. You dilute the intrinsic “sailingness” of it all by bringing in any of the retired old boys (girls are available - but in modern speak they are less energy dense) of cycling…
I don’t want to see the fittest win, I want to see the cleverest win.
Can hydro generators make up the missing power?
Only at the expense of speed.
@@q.e.d.9112 yes, that’s a given, but is all about who can sail fastest using the wind rather than muscle power or precharged batteries….
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Sure. We COULD build such vessels. We could remove the crew completely and sail them by remote control.
Or, less extreme, just single handed.
Quite possibly, the reduction in weight would more than compensate for the extra drag created, but would it be The America’s Cup?
@@q.e.d.9112 & Guy Gillmore.
Interesting points. The crew is part of the essential mix as far as I'm concerned, if only because its entertaining to see the way that human smarts and human errors play out over time with a bit of nature thrown in. The crew has always been a source of both brain and braun throughout the history of sail, so why separate it now? Does it really matter if its a hand grinder or a leg bike, or just a hand on a main-sheet?
It seems that the venue was felt to restrict the course/leg length and thereby the tactical and boathandling aspects of racing. The latter have suffered with recent cups and placed too much emphasis on technology and boat design at the expense of sailing
It's called the Transcar. They want to make us believe that is a boat, but it isn't. It's a car on foils. Very disappointing 😞
Very good reportage. However, I feel that these guys (holder & challenger) are loosing the spirit behind this cup by creating all these other "diversions", e.g., class 40, etc.
And what's with these chase boat mandates? Is the Cup now to be used as a political vehicle to push for greener boating?
That's not what the Cup is about, nor should it be.
They should go back to J boats. No more fing cats. Or at least 12 meters. Damn shame Captain Courgaeous is no longer around. Monohulls rule. No foils!
Venue.....? The Solent....back to the roots!
Easy way to get it back to the Solent...beat the current Cup holders.
3 Challengers and 1 Defender big wow - AC has really going down hill, even with adding Women's & Youth Cup, the AC event will never match the height of 1987 at Fremantle when there were 13 teams going for the LV Cup and 4 teams competing to be the Defender. With 3 Challengers it will be incredibly boring to see the same teams racing each other again and again. Vast amount of investment is so important nowadays that a contestant must have the funds to build a F-22 of sailboats - not sustainable.
NYYC is back in
Disappointing, but not unexpected. Should have diversity quotas in the AC crews.
Not all that happy with the protocol. Leaves very little time for designing, building and developing a boat. Makes it very difficult for new team entry. Think they have 20 days to sail a used boat. I think too much of the focus is in controlling cost. I wish they’d stop worrying about that. The Cup has always been an expensive endeavor and yet has survived. That said, the new protocol, especially with no venue announced, will force designers to come up with an all purpose boat and that’s a good thing.
The new designs.... Exciting....? Maybe...Innovative...? Probably..Yet to me, they have lost the "True Essence of Sailing"...Such vessels may well perform exceptionally, when conditions are ideal....What about when weather, which thankfully Mankind has Not Yet been able to control, is less than "perfect"..? Who can forget the spectacular breaking of the Team New Zealand Yacht's mast, when racing against "Alinghi" in a quite heavy swell, some years back...? Or U.S.A.'s Team Oracle's equally spectacular "flying catmaran", take flght briefly before pitching head first and upending, in choppy seas...? These racing boats in reality, have as much relevance to mainstream regattas and sailing as Formular 1 cars have to everyday hatchbacks..!
How could nz be ok to hold it in Barcelona !wtf
I understand that they want to broaden the appeal with the AC40. But if the AC40 is good enough for the girls, why isn't it for the boys?
I think it has to do with the mechanical power requirements to sail the boat safely. The larger boat would require more power per person than the smaller boat (mass increases ^2, deck area increases linearly). It might also be related to being more affordable to less well sponsored teams.
Good for girls???
Good for trans them...
Get woke, go broke.
Isn't it sexist to have a womens ac ?
Apparently it’s not sexist to have women only things, just men only things. 😂
The sailors still need sandwiches after a hard day’s racing
Maybe some of the crew that were removed from the AC 75's can identify as a women and sail in the women's cup races.
You only know one joke don’t you
@@weatheranddarkness And you make it two jokes.
Ooh! Admission of guilt!
Thanks 🙏
Why is Ben talking like he is running the cup ? Dalton will school you just wait !
Also Ben Pete and Blair were olympic medalists before the youth America’s cup they didn’t come from there
Whatever suits your narrative Ben
The clips here are extracts from his team’s presser?
After the ridiculously corrupt edition you won’t have me watching it again. Sorry folks, get decent again.
If there’s any sport that having mixed women’s men’s teams it’s sailing…why have a women’s league kinda almost bit insulting…but thanks I guess
Ok, looks cool but will the racing be as boring as the last AC. Races were not close, 99% decided at the start line, AC lost me then and probably any non-boater that watched. People are more interested in competition than whiz bang contraptions that are not competitive with each other. When will AC get that?
FYI the last AC had the highest viewer rating of any AC
I'm keen for a woman's cup but I don't know if I trust NZ classification of women after the Olympics
If they don’t race this in NZ and sell out to corporates … remove the label “Team NZ” … because after all the tax payer money and support … you won’t deserve that label.
You are naive Taxpayers of NZ contributed a fraction of the actual cost needed most was corporate funding and if not for covid NZ would have benefited
much more than they contributed.
@@bobdillon1138 not even remotely naive … I know exactly how it works.
And they say Italian are mafiosi...Shame on you!
Overall good report. What puzzles me though is that modern society, particularly in the US and Europe, it's pounded into our skulls 24/7 that there's no difference between males and females..note I did not say "men and women." Given that it's accepted that there's no difference, how can a female Cup proceed? If diversity is what is sought then include females in the crews. And what's next besides that? A female youth and a male youth cup? A LGBT cup?
…… and why not a trans-gender AC? And a black AC. And an indigenous AC. And a Remainer versus Brexiteer AC but no foreigners allowed on the Brexiteer boat. But the Remainer boat can have crew from the whole EU. 😂
So they're going to have cyclists on board instead of sailors? That doesn't sound "progressive" to me, that sounds ridiculous. The pinnacle of yacht racing and the boat will be crewed with a few bike riders and not all sailors doesn't sound like something to look forward to. Especially for the sailors who'll miss out on a spot to a push bike rider, that is sad stuff
Will Trans sexual women MTF be allowed to compete in the women's class?
Why the need to plagiarize Shirley Robertson?
Until the boats look anything other than horrendous, none of the technology matters. These monohulls are as attractive as trash barges, with the broken arms dangling off the edge.
Iam divided about the boats for the A Cup. Foils are not sailing. There is no room for the slightest mistake in foiled boats. The sea must be a lagoon, very small waves and they run with almost no wind. I love sailing but the AC became an autorama. I will follow it anyway but I would like to see big boats offshore in a match race. All the best, good winds
That’ll be the Sydney - Hobart Race then….
@@PhilbyFavourites What about 'around the Isle of Wight' as was the original race? Bring your fastest boat!
The ac75 is the best boat in a very long time. In 30 years sailboats will be like that and it will be good.
@@jessiebrader2926 They’ll beat me round there, I only have a 15 knot cruise. If I manage to make it a day at work my cruise will get to 40 knots 🤣🤣
The sea must be a lagoon to foil? Tell that to the skippers of the Ultimes racing the Transat Jacques Vabre at 30+kts. The America Cup boats aren't designed to race in rougher water but that's not a factor of foil technology. Other aspects of the architecture limit their use in more varied conditions. Big boats, been there done that. Too costly, too slow. The race needs to attract a more captivated audience in a world where attentions spans have virtually vanished. That['s not going to happen with maxi-sized displacement yachts as interesting in their own special way that they are.
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All this new technology has killed the America's. I do not want to see "flying" boats", that is not sailing. The cup leaving Newport was the start of the end as a beautiful spinnaker set and sailing tacticians are now a thing of the past. Leave this push for high speed in auto racing and get back to the true America's cup racing and true boat handling.
I was on the fence, but you lost me at 'leaving Newport'.
The goal is clearly to broaden the appeal of the AC, and the foiling boats do that - they grab the attention of non-sailors. Like it or not in reality the racing you advocate would be considered impenetrable, slow and boring by that audience. They are going where the eyeballs and money are...
@@vandemonian5412 I mean the loss in 1983 lead to just one more cup in the 12 meter era. Then the larger AC class, which I was OK with, but now Boats that "fly" are not for me. Just call me old school but thats how I feel.
Yes I get all that, follow the money, bring young crowds in with the new high speed designs. I guess just call me old school. I have been a big AC fan going back to the late 1950's. I just feel all this high tech has taken a lot of the charm out of it.
@@goldenstars8983 Each to their own. Personally i'm enthralled by the way they sail, and see the under-water foils as a logical evolution and extension of the principles of lift that make a sail work.
As for the aesthetics of the sport, I like the move to mono-hulls - that satisfies my hankering for tradition.
this is barely sailing anymore. riding bikes attached to props? lame. this is what happens when billionaires have a vanity project. always "improving" things that were great to begin with.
Zzzżzz
That's right, add social justice to Americas Cup to turn it to shit like everything else going woke. I for one will NOT be watching a woke spectacle. Either go sailing and drop the politics or do it on your own time. WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!!! And if you want to see how to make the Cup exciting, go watch Wind. That movie showed us how to do it.
Who’s “we” ? Don’t presume to speak for others. Ever.
Crawl back into your cave
@@weatheranddarkness "We" are everybody who thinks like I do. Do not presume people other than YOU must agree with your narrow-minded bigotry. EVER.
Reactionary nonsense.
You really don’t understand the concepts you think you’re arguing against do you?
Just goes to show it doesn’t take a towering intellect to think like a conservative.
Have you considered that your being triggered about the outreach program within the AC, and being afraid of “wokeness” is more a ‘you’ problem?
I thought that they would be showing the hi-tech foiling sailboats, but instead it was nothing but talking heads. These people know nothing about making an interesting video about an interesting subject. Quickly moving on to something better.
Venue: New Zealand and Australia have turned into Police States. Only a fool would visit let alone establish a business there! Florida in the United States has strong Leadership and can even move ahead when the President of the United States drools on. Perhaps Tampa Bay or Charlotte Harbor on the west coast of Florida and you can watch the sun set over the water every evening.
Woman’s Team: Politically Correct but do not be surprised if every Country has men/aka woman transsexuals as crew. Most United States Woman’s High School and College Sports Records have already been broken, and rendered irrelevant, due to this “Sensitive Issue”. Thank you former a President Barack Obama.
Hydrogen: Again, Politically Correct but, if you want to “meet consumers closer to the middle”, Electric is the only way. Still only a “rich man’s opportunity” but closer to reality.
Rules: Get all of the parties in a room, lock the doors, sit them down and make decisions. Unfortunately, the Decision Makers are a bunch of spoiled rich boys that only play if they get their way and are out of touch with most sailors. America’s Ted Turner was one of the biggest spoiled boys. His punishment is he now has to live with Hanoi Jane (Fonda), a living American Traitor.
The technology that comes out of the America’s Cup is priceless for the boating world. It is the politics that really screws the process.
Lastly, we should not give a crap if someone is male, female or identifies as a vegetable or a rock. Get the best crew. Male, female or rock! That has been my experience in sailing and work.
Be well.
Bro, florida is trash. The gov of florida can hardly be compared with that of nation states that take the job of governance seriously.
Go wave your maga flag somewhere else
@@weatheranddarkness Please respond with Knowledge instead of keyboard insults.
I mentioned Police States, Business Climate, Woman Teams and Quality Venues with good water (a boating term). You were triggered by the State venue.
When businesses perform long-term planning, they look for a stable business environment. Florida has been the most stable business environment throughout COVID-19.
You can mention whatever you want. But asking me to validate you paranoid delusions by engaging with your specious claims? Ain’t gonna happen.
Go peddle your profit-over-people theocracy to somebody more gullible.
@@weatheranddarkness Triggered. Check and Mate!
But, you still have an opportunity in the future to accept Wisdom.....when you are ready.
We are ready to Welcome and Educate You. But your Hate has no Home with us.
Leave the Hate with those who have troubled you.
@@muskietime you talking about hate? Look in the mirror. Your ethos rests on a bed of hatred. You're getting up in arms/ dismissive towards an ethics that puts inclusion first and you're acting like that is tantamount to hatred. That is truly bizarre.
The bike idea is stupid. Also I hope women means women and not burley blokes with lipstick 💄
Yip very forward looking attitude buddy
Mark Dunphy only has NZs best interest in mind.
You are taking out a tonne of mass NOT a tonne of weight. You laggard ex-imperialist unit users can't comprehend the the weight is a variable depending on the acceleration the boats are transiting - (or Liberia and the USA - take heed and Join the ISO world.
Harsh - and remember nobody like a pedant. No matter how clever they are…..
Nah! They just weigh ..... less (from the USA)