What are the prospects for Independent candidates?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Following Friday's deadline for Nomination papers to be submitted, we hear from Justin Schlosberg of Collective about the prospects for anti-austerity, anti-genocide candidates in the forthcoming General Election.
If there's a WP candidate vote for them. If not vote for the top local independent left alternative like Andrew Feinstein and JC. Simples.
And if neither of those are on option?
@@katynewt If none of the above is an option then spoil your ballot.
This is why GG is solid and I respect him for his guts and backbone
wtf
Me too and I'd vote workers party if they run in my area. Im old Labour anti W and labour lost me when Starver became leader.
Me too I'll vote for workers party if they are in my area failing that the greens or independent whoever doesn't stand for W.
A new party is necessary in my view.
We cannot rely on just Jeremy Corbyn.
We need unions etc
Forget the unions they're 5 % of the population, 20% of the working population and most of them are middle class, in it for themselves and infiltrated by liberals and right-wingers. This is why Labour has lost there support over the last 10 years and yet leftists still fail to realise this. We don't need spent slogans , we need fundamental policies that the masses can support.
The unions Pavlovian support for Labour is very worrying
Workers party is the new party and it's much better than the others and the cancel culture and if you dont agree on everything like sycophants who cannot get along with other leftists with alternative views
@@keithparker1346Unions have been supporting corrupt regimes like Ukraine and very quiet on Zionist genocide.
Yes, we have to have a long term view to establish a left party.
Workers party gb already have a mp so they are the established new left party
Let's see how they do in the real election
@@samuelmelton8353 you sound like a person that would vote labour and still don't realise that labour are a far right neo liberal party and the best thing to happen is labour lose because that means they have lost some of there far rightneo liberals and other parties can establish themselves voting for lesser of 2 evils hasn't worked in the usa Biden's far worse than trump and is trying to start 3 wars instead of one like most usa presidents
@@samuelmelton8353 I hope you're not underestimating George Galloway? The U.S. Senate did that, remember? He handed their arses to them on their own territory!
@@mattthetoadlicker I don't remember - nobody under 30 knew who he was until the byelection.
The Socialist party (TUSC) are standing in my area they have the best policies & Im well happy to vote for them
Love to you brothers and sisters
The Workers Party is the party you want creating and it's already there. Get your support behind it ✊🏻
Agreed, but they need to choose their candidates more carefully. For instance, in Luton South the WPGB candidate, Dr. Yasin Reman, stood (in the same seat) for UKIP in 2015! I can't get behind that, so I've no choice but to hold my nose and vote Green.
They have some rather fascistic characters, and they are also anti-climate.
@@FifthcaptainWPB is not “anti-climate”. They oppose taking measures to mitigate the negative effects of climate change which disproportionately affect the poorest in society.
@@Fifthcaptain- That sounds like Starmerlite Red Labour your talking about??
Re Gaza slaughter from jetty of death - Perfidy constitutes a breach of the laws of war and so is a war crime, as it degrades the protections and mutual restraints developed in the interest of all parties, combatants and civilians.
general strike for proportional representation now
The workers party is all ready to go! Jeremy you should take George's offer and lead the workers party....Bruv, you need to support the workers party.
jeremy would have 500.000 members in a blink if he started a new progressive party , he will win islington north no problem can't see starmer losing he has a massive majority sadly , think we're gonna have 10 years of Starmer we're furked . hope i'm wrong
George even offered Jeremy the prospect of working together in a new party with Jezza as the leader. Gutted he doesn't want to do it.
But corbyn had those supporter and a mainstream party and lost two general elections, he has an awful lot of baggage. I really think the left needs to move on from corbyn to have any future
@@jamescooke6032 who do you think could unite us on the left going forwards if not Jeremy ?
@@acrookedbeat9013 I don't know names. But I know that yesterday's man is not the man of tomorrow. You need to move on.
@@jamescooke6032 oh i thought you' knew something i didn't never mind
Think this man is a little out of touch. The workers party is doing this already, building something new and hopeful even if it's fast ( it needs to be) I don't know what he is waiting for? We need change now, right now.
The left have conflated a campaign of tactical voting to punish Labour with a campaign to elect a socialist alternative. A left movement in this election should copy Vorderman's strategy to pursue tactical voting on steroids and systematically encourage a sympathetic solid slab of socialist voters to squeeze out the Labour candidate with a vote for the best placed alternative, probably a Liberal, Green, or on occasion a strong independent. The sole strategic point of 2024 should try to restrict Labour to a minority government. If acheived electoral reform follows and then the socialist movement can focus upon the creation of a coherent socialist strategy in 2029 with confidence of electoral success.
Remember Lib Dems formed a coalition yet there was no movement on PR plus they agreed austerity... Tory in yellow imo
Ten years/Three leaders ago....your record has stuck. We are a progressive party.
@@carlpierce2486 true I should base it on current Lib Dem but once bitten twice shy
@@carlpierce2486 Your leader should be in gaol for his cover-up of crimes against P.O., employees. LibDems cannot be trusted. Ever.
I think more than 1 or 2 will be elected. Although I think Feinstein could do with the most help in London so hopefully more people volunteer. I reckon Corbyn and Mohamad will win though
Why there should be preferential voting globally!! We need progressive coalitions to win power in Britain and globally. 🙂🙏👍🇵🇸🇵🇸
❤❤❤❤❤ #JC.
Liar Starmer Torified the Labour. Starmer is MI5's candidate! Labour + Tories = 2 Tories.
Why not stick to Independents, look at the success, on a local level of Frome Council. Representative and EFFECTIVE 👍🏻
Because at the national level the British establishment will crush it.
Hopefully the Independents will take off along with the Greens Lib Dems SNP ect. In fact Any one who's not tainted by Rishi or Starmer.
Corbyn not really the Independent candidate, but the Conscience of Labour candidate
It's so important to start organising now for the next election. There is a high probability that there will be a massive swing to the right if there is no other organised alternative to the politics offered by all the legacy parties. 5 years of persistence should make a difference
What fun Galloway, Farage and Corbyn on the back benches and all three are not Globalists
The solution to this problem, (i.e. political parties), is NOT another political party.
Only independent candidates, who are not bound by party loyalties, can truly represent their constituents.
Completely AGREE with your guest, it will take time. This Starmer Party will implode at some point and he'll be replaced with someone equally awful if not worse, like Reeves or Streeting.
Thank you Crispin - for interviewing the Independent Representatives and the Collective. Could you please gives us an update on the Green party representatives ?
Maybe after this election we should start a new party even join with George and extend bring in Jeremy and others and let it gradually grow by the next election we could well ready
GG4PM
The difficulty is most people simply are labour or conservative and wonder why nothing changes.
Let' say the u thinkable happens and both Labour and Tories are destroyed, then you would have a parliament full of independents, but how do you form a government of like-minded people.
Not heard of the Collective before. Do they have a website? Who is involved? I think splitting the vote is less of a problem than mobilizing the hundreds of people required to get 15-20k people to vote for you. If more than one candidate can do that in the same constituency, I will be very surprised.
When I've canvassed alot of people don't know who their MP is and most probably couldn't name the Labour and Conservative candidates for their constituency. They have other stuff to do with their lives. For Independents to get name recognition from tens of thousands of voters is a huge amount of work and organisation.
Same question i have 👍
That's because of our Media being so far to the right and all it's main journalists and presenters being part of the extremely comfortably off nimby clan.
@@Ghengiskhansmum Agreed, so where can I find out more about them? Searching "the collective" brings up lots of stuff!
I think Everyone should be support Fiona Lali in Stratford and bow.
Why can't all the existing socialist parties - Workers' Party, Communist Party, etc - not bury their differences and establish a new party or merge with the Green Party?
Vote LibDems, Greens, or even Reform. A strong Labour government will not bring about PR.
Have you (collective) done simple, basic research into awareness/understanding of the word genocide?
Everyone understands slaughter, massacre, murder. Unless you have research to the contrary, stick to words that people already understand. Likewise - and you won’t like this - the word ‘socialist’.
I really hope that when you cover the elections in Gaza, you only endorse the candidates who oppose foodbank use in the UK?
I would agree that an independent candidate who left on his own volition, may not be supported. However, when the person is ruthlessly kicked out against his wishes then he will highly likely be fully supported.
It's not been helped by Sunaks major D day booboo, but for those voters who would then go to Labour, we now need an opposition party in parliament to put some sort of scrutiny to Starmer.
There are at least a dozen parties to the left of labour some of them of considerable standing. The last thing we need is yet another one. Remember the Labour Party itself was formed from a number of different groups who came together... try something like that to displace Labour with a genuine party of the left. Or join one of the existing parties. Even the Greens are to the left of labour at the moment!
Sounds as though you are defeated already. I've never felt more deflated after a left wing video. Ten seats, what is the point in that.
Lovely guest ….genuine & sincere for sure
Procrastination is the thief of time …2029 ???
Galloway is a leader & trying to seize the moment…& rightly so 🥊
time to put an end to party politics. mass movements can operate with solidarity among independents
This electoral social democracy nonsense will get us no where
Worthing a Tory seat has 3 independent candidates and a Green candidate
'A new mass movement and party of the left from the ground up'. Couldn't agree more - many would say this was overdue. Also agree that this is mainly down to JC and the high profile labour left have chosen not to endorse. However, looks like this could be given fresh impetus in the near future with the culls of Starmer. Local Assemblies are key, as in timetoassemble. Root these new candidates/ paety in their community. I will check out collective. Where are the website details?
Yes, the old needs to be torn down from the top downwards, while new movements should be built from thr roots.
no one where i live care about gaza and let me know in uncertain terms to shut up and support labour some accuse me of sabotaging labour its a shame that egos take over i wld have voted halima wld have been a great candidate
When people say to you Palestine is far away. Say, the way our leaders allow Palestinians, sub post masters and mistresses to be treated, is the way we would be treated, if they thought they could get away with it.
So you suggest we vote Labour abs become complicit on the butchering of more women and children. "Because nobody here cares for Gaza".. Sickening.
11:24 if you want attention for your movement this is the sort of speech you need to get out to the public.
Fiona Lalli is formidable, I hope she can get in. She has a strong grasp of the issues, and is not distracted away from them.
She's a fraud
This bloke is whining. He should be welcoming the chance of getting a decent government
Ok why do you think Labour will be decent?
I do not believe Starmer's Labour will be decent, it certainly hasn't been so far.
Keith, just to make it clear, my preference would be for a coalition government. Tories and Labour only stand for war. It is that I am not inspired by this bloke who could take a lesson on public speaking from Mr George Galloway. Plus he has had plenty of time to prepare. He has just been lazy.
@@harveytadman fair enough...I was jumping to conclusions. Sorry
Hey, no need. It is good to talk. In my area it is a notice between Labour or the Greens which is not much of a choice. Hence my hope for a coalition British Government in the hope there will be no more war.. Good luck to you sir.
Jeremy has become a huuuuuuge let down!
Him and Dianne just become useless
Abbott is a sell out imo. Gets treated crap by Labour yet stays with them
can we stopindependents for ego reasons thet want to be seen is this why the election has been rushed
Love JC ❤❤❤❤
Let himself down in not getting like minded people in his cabinet, didn't stick up for himself enough, he also let galloway and chris williamson down and say nothing about them, when they were some of his biggest supporters.
@@kss987 Williamson let himself down , Jeremy was always gonna fail he only had 30 odd mp's on his side the rest just wanted him gone