One day we got someone random posting in Discord "I found a funny visual glitch". That "visual" glitch was the big skip we had been looking for for years saving 50 minutes. Lol (Game is Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, and the skip discovered was Driftwood Shore Skip)
Speaking of funny visual glitches in Mario & Luigi games, I'm pretty sure my copy of Partners in Time was cursed or something, cause I swear one those biddybuddy enemies (I think they're called love buds?) with the bandages over their eyes had them replaced with bloody eyes. I could never get a photo. That whole game felt a little unsettling to be honest. I felt kinda empty when I beat it. I'm pretty sure it was also the last M&L game I beat. Hell of a way to wrap up my time with the series.
Not to mention this thing happens somewhat regularly with the guy. You could make an entire compilation video of how many times he pulls off some speedrunning nonsense by complete accident
In GoldenEye 007, one new speedrunner, John Kaleta, apparently misinterpreted the statement "put your nose down to the grindstone & haul ass" found in a walkthrough, and played while looking down at the ground. Turns out this speeds up the game due to it not needing to render as much, so can lead to better times, and is now a common technique known as 'lookdown'.
I used to do that back when it was fresh to cope with lag when things got too explody, speedrunning wasn’t a thing then so we never thought about any of it, we all knew about strafing to go faster though as it made a much bigger difference especially when running for the armour in multiplayer
in Ori and the Will of the Wisps, a random person came into the Discord to ask why we were collecting a key ability (Light Burst) before posting an extremely trivial way to skip it saving 90 seconds on the run and was then never heard from again lol
What an absolute legend. I find that sort of behavior hilarious and wonder what prompts it from most people. It feels like the sort of thing I'd do, but, like, not on purpose. I'm too socially anxious even over the internet to wait for the 'that's cool and all but it's not really viable for x y and z' so I'd definitely just disappear after accidentally dropping an absolute bombshell lol
Reminds me of twilight princess where leaving the desert area took an annoying amount of time and a new runner reminded the runners that an optional npc could teleport you out lol tho tbf you do have to go out of your way to get access to the npc, but it does still save time lol
@l_iz_lgndry0118 You're talking about the minimum transformations catagory, right? Where they can't just teleport despite having free access to Wolf Link so runners instead go through ten levels of the Cave of Ordeals to find the Great Fairy who sends you as a human to the Ordon Spring? Surprised I remember that lol
This is why, every time I see some random, weird, unbefore-seen bug when watching a streamer, I joke that it'll be a critical part of the speedrun in six months.
Spelunky HD has a great example of this, the most major sequence break in the game (bookskip, skips the entire "chain" process required to reach the secret Hell area) was found by someone who joined the discord just to post their curious find 9 years into the game's life
Reminds me of the guy who figured out the RNG in Silent Hill 2 and would just hand down awesome runs at random to streamers until they convinced him to spill his secrets
If I am correct one of the most famous involves a glitch to skip the second communications tower in Metal Gear Solid by healing as you get hit in front of a specific door that otherwise would be open but is blocked with ice. This was accidentally done by a Yogscast streamer and then it basically changed every single MGS1 speedrun.
I feel like the biggest example of this is Boba Skip from MGS. Speedrunners had been trying to clip through that door for years, and then Boba, a casual player, did it by accident. I'd also give a shout-out to Instant Text in Pokémon Red, which *was* found by a speedrunner, but completely by accident when he briefly forgot where he was in the run and went to the bike shop early. Turns out cancelling out of the bike shop menu with B sets your text speed to be faster than is otherwise possible -- saving up to 2 minutes in an any% glitchless run. (It's allowed in glitchless runs, which is controversial, but plenty of other controversial things are also allowed in glitchless runs, partly because it's hard *not* to glitch anything in Pokémon Red; we sometimes joke the category is actaully "any% Glitch Less".)
Shoutouts to my friend Pike who, not being a speedrunner of the game, accidentally found the setup for the biggest time-saving trick in Luigi's Mansion (outside of the out of bounds discovery) while practicing for a fun race with someone else, even after years of everyone saying the trick was impossible.
7:48 coincidentally this is the artwork which was on the NES cartridge, specifically showing Mario actually what was believed to be a certain death, actually being the last frame of ending the game lol.
for anyone confused, they're talking about the artwork where Mario is jumping into a brick wall and using a fireball while there is lava below him. This would usually be certain death, but decades later this was actually discovered as an incredibly precise and adept technique that people can use to skip to the credits.
I remember finding a glitch in human fall flat years ago playing with my brother that allowed you to infinitely jump in air. At the time I don't remember seeing any documentation of it online
This never led to any world records since it was in a randomizer and wasn't really possible to do outside of them, but I was once racing some other people in a Metroid fangame and accidentally ended up unlocked an upgrade that wasn't even legitimately obtainable at the time.
In the Toy Story game for SNES one of the bosses is the claw and is very annoying to do constantly, one day someome came to the SRC forums sharing a video, some random longplay skipped the boss by accident and the video was just there the whole time, turns out it's super easy to skipp the boss and nobody figured it out until that video was found
in Kao the Kangaroo Round 2, after like a decade, someone randomly found that you can get 4 jumps in a row if you perform a frame perfect roll on the second frame after you stop using your glide powerup and it revolutionized the run completely
Myren has always been a VERY well known member of the technical minecraft community for a VERY long time, however. Sure, he’s not a speedrunner, not involved with MCSR specifically, but not at all a “random person”. Minecraft is unique in having separate speedrunning and technical communities, and they overlap sometimes.
One of half-life 2’ most important speedrun tricks, called bill’s big thrill, was discovered by accident by a streamer doing a casual run Basically, if I remember correctly, a streamer was playing half-life 2 casually, and discovered a glitch where physics objects become super buggy and start floating when interacting with a tank. Speedrunners replicated it and discovered that this glitch can be used to disjoint the player’s two hitboxes and send one of them flying off, which led to a way for speedrunners to skip the entirety of the red letter day chapter
The thing with speedrunners is that the moment they think they're experts and "above" casuals is the point when they become worse than noobs. If they reach that point, they get tunnel vision and it makes it too hard for them to find brand new stuff. So they should never ignore new players or think they know everything, new players will always have a skill that they don't have, the ability to think out of the box.
Social sciences have insisted over the last few decades that the only way to properly understand and grasp the complexity of the modern world is through a multidisciplinary approach. How can other sciences help each other with their respective understanding, like how a biological understanding at a cellular level help the way society operates, how psychology and philosophy can help understand the human mind on a biological level, things like that. Speedrunning is the best representation of that. The idea that a random player can come up with a new approach is precisely what makes these breakthroughs possible. During the early GTA Online days my then gf came up with such a ridiculously simple way to duplicate cars that none of the dedicated exploiters figured out. They eventually did, a few years later, but it's funny how you can master a topic or a discipline to the point your vision just narrows to what is known and not what it could be
I remember a time years I suggested using hades and quadra magic in ff7 og to 4-8 as I knew it did certain things to Ruby weapon... since it's a pincer attack in a sense... and it was what turned into dazers used to inflict stop which I was quite surprised... I guided the discovery to be found by being there with the knowledge I've had for years, but it wasn't the stop that I originally wanted to show, instead that after the first cast of quadra magic, even the tentacles would be hit by hades as well... a missed detail or perhaps feature to make it better to beat Ruby with
I discovered something while playing odyssey and found i could spam it to climb high objects, turns out it was just the double hat throw that you get taught at the end of the game 😔 Although it was useful for getting to some places not intended by the devs so 🤷♂️
My favorite causal player finding a skip/glitch is the Boba skip in MGS. She was doing a casual playthrough of the game and manages to find the biggest skip all while having a look of confusion on what she just found.
I discovered the perfect dark Carrington institute grenade launcher over the wall to save hostages quickly trick several years before the speedrunning community did. It was the only way i could get the cheat for that level. My friend who was into speedrunning back in the VHS validation days mentioned it to me as a new thing, and I was like "you guys didn't know about that?"
I love that casuals contribute to speedrunning or that there are guys who really understand the theory behind glitching that aren't speedrunners but help speedrunners realize new glitches etc. Truly a community in that sense. Probably my favourite accidental casual was that lass who clipped through the Communications Tower door on MGS.
Besides Kosmic explaining how the wrong warp works Abysoft explain the Wrong warp base on the credit coming from Niftski and Webb. And Summoning Salt and Abysoft also explain how Mario Kart 64 found new discovery change and the history behind Mario Kart 64. I never understand how hard the clip was in Mario Odyssey. And SM64 is basically using Bobomb bloated state and regrab. And gives you negative speed. The second goal using this trick is to get to the wrap zone on top of Red coin section to deload the bobomb appearance, the only hard part is resetting the bobomb exploding timer base on his size and keep the hitbox close to Mario. After that your goal is to get to the far left side of the platform outside of the house. And then the hardest glitch walk kick comes in, into the top and boom. Star. All of this in 45 seconds. That is the old Carpetless strat. The most complex understanding is the Bobomb hitbox and his loading property from the holp. Main explanation goes to Bismuth from the ABC challenge.
That first Mario one is like that thing with the apes writing Shakespeare. All those frame perfect jumps that the casual player just happened to do on one random day? Insane!
Not quite. The casual player encountered the crash that brought attention to the exploitable flaw in the code, which in itself is pretty wild. But the sequence of frame perfect jumps that is outlined to do the credits warp specifically was labbed out by speedrunners to make that flaw in the code do what they want it to. But it _is_ still wild how something that might seem inconsequential, odd and mildly inconvenient to a casual player can make such a difference to the speedrunning community.
This is very similar to how grandmaster chess players will have a hard time playing against children sometimes since they're prepared for the most common strategies and not random moves.
I think ACE is an exploit that allows you to run code you inject, as opposed to "just" memory editing. For example RBA in OOT is a limited memory edit, and SRM is a more wide-ranging memory edit, but (in non-ACE setups) it only causes existing game code to corrupt _data structures_ used by other code, rather than running custom code which does so.
Toad: speedrunner were so far behind how are we gonna get the world record for Mario kart 64 now? Speedrunner: I know a shortcut Toad: SPEEDRUNNER WHY ARE WE CLIPPING THROUGH WALLS
I remember that one woman just accidentally finding a 3 minute skip by damage boosting through a seemingly impassable door with accidental positioning.
Finding glitches is a godly skill I have, some people can be good at finding glitches and they can be anyone. Just because you are a professional at a game doesn’t mean you know all about it! A good tip for finding glitches that I have is to understand the system, it’s hard to explain but for example: in Roblox when you sit on an anchored part you become anchored, so if you teleport anywhere Roblox will refuse and you will stay on the chair instead. I found this cool roblox game that I was extremely good at, and because of it I got instantly bored when I finished the game, it was also a multiplayer pvp game. And so because of that I decided to try and find a simple bug in the game, I found this cool magic power that teleports you and your opponent in a slowly closing arena that forced you to fight or both die. Knowing the system, chair nullifies yourself from teleporting, meaning my opponent is forced to die inside the arena. I found out I was the first and only person who know about this glitch, and the knowledge of this glitch spread rapidly so it got patched before I could abuse it more, it was fun while it lasted as peoples reactions were pretty funny!! There’s alllata more glitches I found myself that the public could never find in many other games but I’m too lazy to list them and I don’t wanna give game names for personal reasons. The point of this comment is that you can be a professional at glitch finding just like being a professional at hacking or exploiting on games, the only way to be good at finding glitches as a professional in said game is by accident from playing a lot, but that strategy is lwk ass so I don’t recommend you do that. But yeah that’s it!! (Sorry if my English is bad, I h just realized my grammar got worse but I don’t know why)
"Once you are able to alter the game's memory, you are then able to manipulate it." In other words, you become Neo, and with your actions you inspire and free other speed runners to play as they see fit.
In Spyro the Dragon, at least two different methods for skipping a difficult supercharge section in Tree Tops were discovered by random people. There's a squeeze through a fence which came from a random Twitter user, and the Laura launch (named after the speedrunner who made it a viable strat) which sat undiscovered in a RUclips video for something like 13 years.
3:24 that image with the vine shown in the video isnt actually from Super Mario Bros. but it is actually from the game Mari0, basically smb but with portals, you can also make your own "mappacks" in it which is quite cool in my opinion
I actually know if something that could be huge. You see, in kirby air ride, when playing as king dedede, you can move slightly when your vehicle is destroyed. I found out that spamming up on the dpad or joystick repeatedly is faster than just holding it. I can't wait to see what revolutionary changes this will have on the kirby air ride community/j
I get the why, but I don't feel like Forest should be counted in this, sure, nobody knew who he was, but calling someone who has thinkering and researching the game for years a "random player" is just wrong
If speedrunners took their “do anything possible to shave off even 12 milliseconds off my run” and put it into getting a job, we could probably save the economy that’s currently collapsing
This reminds me of the story of the Hover Glitch in Jak 2 & 3, which was randomly discovered by a guy who wasn't even sure how he did it, but after sending it to speedrunners it was replicated, guides were made, further huge discoveries were found using the glitch, and right now this is basically the main movement tech of both games. You can find the whole story on ThaRixer's channel, he made a 50-minutes video about it back in the day, and it's still really interesting to watch
Shoutout to Kevin Skip in Metal Gear Solid. Found by a casual first-time player by complete accident and shaved more than two minutes from the WR once people figured out how it works.
I remember one time a friend and I were playing Melee on Hyrule Castle on my disc copy of the game. I was Boswer and he was Yoshi. We were in that crevice connecting the underground tunnel section and platform with the rest of the stage. Suddenly our characters got lifted slightly above ground and slowly dragged horizontally through the air for a few seconds across just a few meters, before we regained control of our characters and gameplay resumed as normal. It never happened again and I've never seen a similar glitch happen to anyone else
honest writing tip: this isn't a video essay, you don't need to lean so hard on the "start with a broad generic statement, then get specific" thing. especially because staying too abstract for too long runs the risk of boring the viewer with old news and giving them the impression that you aren't confident they'll find the actual matter at hand interesting (even though they willingly clicked on the video). we want to get to the good stuff just as much as you do, there's no need for two and a half minutes of formalities like "super mario bros is one of the oldest games out there." the most recent pannenkoek stuff is good inspo for efficient intros for this kind of vid i think
That SMB2J ACE puts a new spin on the xkcd "Real Programmers" comic (#378). "Real programmers use vim?" Actually, *REAL* programmers get to level 8-4 of SMB2J, jump off the first pipe within a two frame window, jump into the coin block within a two frame window, execute a double perfect one frame jump onto a pipe, fire a frame perfect fireball, pull off a frame perfect A+B, fire a frame perfect fireball into a blooper to get the 200 score in the right place, then [...] precisely speed jump into the poison mushroom block and after all of that you have a three frame window to land in the lava. This sequence of frame perfect presses will confuse the DEOF function in the repeating level, causing the 6502 NES processor to overflow the active entity type list, and overwrites the code in such a way that the CPU ends up jumping to the credits sequence.
randomly came across this after I had already given up to find channels similar to pannenkoek and here you are. the music at 1:50 sealed the deal. amazing content
Interesting video, but your editing style specially when you put text on screen is VERY eye straining 😢 could I suggest slowing the rippling effect or getting rid of it altogether for future videos?
Many a player randomly find stuff like this it seems, what's great is getting some explanations months to years after doing something like this. I myself had ended up doing a glitch in Resi 4, ended up experiencing it with the Blacktail myself, alot of second guessing myself in am i running faster or not, i later read a gamefaqs post calling it Ditman glitch. Another's Mgs on ps1 up in the tower, that door skip, tho that happened years upon years ago an my memory is vague, I just recall thinking i broke my game that time as I was following a guide, never got an answer until recently, tho obviously I've no proof of either, im just happen learning what in the world happened in both cases. Does make me wonder what else might be my normal in games but is actually a glitch.
I found a bucket duplication glitch inside Minecraft once on a server I frequened, and then the dupe was immediately banned apon my vocal discovery. No idea if it was a plugin, multiplayer, or just general Minecraft bug, but it really wasn't that useful since you can't smelt buckets into nuggets.
It is most likely completely useless for anything tbh, but i remember this time i found a glitch in tloz the minish cap that for some reason softlocks you when an enemy grabs you. The enemy grabs you and instantly ungrabs you, but you're still stuck and no matter how much you mash the buttons you can't get unstuck, the sprite of the enemy grabbing you also dissapears so you can only see link's head, i still don't know what causes this.
i mean, when i was a kid i was playing New Super Mario Bros, there you buy like different themes for your screen with the Starcoins, but i got curious and decided to be quick and press another of the themes before my Starcoins ran out (they run out 1 by 1 pretty fast, like a little "animation") and it worked, i had all the themes without having all the Starcoins, i felt good i don't remember if i had all the stars in the save selection screen but nonetheless, i felt like a boss
idk if it caused bino storage to be discovered but someone trying to do fwg in celeste died due to bino interaction storage before we discovered how bino interaction storage works. Basically theres binoculars in celeste that you can preview the level with, but if you exit one and jump on the next frame you preserve the bino state so when you leave the room the game gets confused and puts you back into all normal states (cancelling dashes, bubbles, etc). The person doing fwg did the tech and then left the room in a bubble that they were meant to keep that dissappeared on the room transition. This tech is still only used in TAS's to preserve some speed I'm pretty sure, but it's still cool that it was discovered by a reg player.
I already posted a comment on it but Driftwood Shore Skip in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team was found by someone who doesnt speedrun or glitchhunt the game, and found on complete accident. He posted in the server saying "I found a funny visual glitch". He did not even know he found a huge skip. He would wake up the next day confused as to why people were calling him a legend lol. The skip saved ~55 minutes and brought the WR from 4:04 down to a 3:06. (with the latter being better in gameplay, I never did get that sub 4 with the old route... I will one day.)
I don't know all the details about it, but Spelunky HD's Bookskip route was entirely discovered by someone who randomly joined the discord server to showcase a glitch that nobody else in the community had thought to try. this caused many new routes through the game to become possible, since it skipped the whole chain of items normally required to reach the secret final area and boss. not quite as old of a game as the lost levels, but still pretty notable for how technical some tricks in spelunky are
my friend kirbyfan (thats there online name) her wii glitched out while playing kirby AV and the music glitched out and then the screen it was so cool, i wonder if that could ever be a soeedrun trick
I literally know about game crashing bugs in Loop Hero and Poco just because i was messing around, never saw anyone talking about it (but i only googled it quickly so maybe someone do know). The Loop Hero bug literally makes it the most unplayable game ever to the point it crashes the game or the most easy game ever made. And the Poco bug makes the game Tas looking like a black screen and you finish the game in maybe 1 minute. (I dunno how to make a TAS but i presume it would be like that since it skips a lot of traveling)
I feel like its only a matter of time before they figure out how to do ace in earlier levels for lost levels though I don’t know anything about lost levels
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In the nearest store to your location, it's free as long as you don't get caught.
(For legal reasons, the above sentence is a joke)
Sorry! Valentine's day ended 5 hours ago for me, I didn't think to bring one TvT
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It’s inside of your local 7-eleven.
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One day we got someone random posting in Discord "I found a funny visual glitch". That "visual" glitch was the big skip we had been looking for for years saving 50 minutes. Lol
(Game is Mario & Luigi: Dream Team, and the skip discovered was Driftwood Shore Skip)
Speaking of funny visual glitches in Mario & Luigi games, I'm pretty sure my copy of Partners in Time was cursed or something, cause I swear one those biddybuddy enemies (I think they're called love buds?) with the bandages over their eyes had them replaced with bloody eyes. I could never get a photo. That whole game felt a little unsettling to be honest. I felt kinda empty when I beat it. I'm pretty sure it was also the last M&L game I beat. Hell of a way to wrap up my time with the series.
Holy cap. No need to make up a creepy pasta on RUclips comments
@StopSomething I mean, the entirety of Partners in Time is basically a creepypasta, from what I heard...
also my favorite mario and luigi game which is funny
this is insane and i fucking love it
I’m still not over the time Vinny Vinesauce proved a TAS slide to be humanly possible by total fucking accident and just bewildered his entire stream.
How can I search this moment?
@elpicox1011look for "vinny accidentally dod a TAS Slide"
@elpicox1011 Look up "[Vinesauce] Vinny accidentally did a TAS Slide?"
@elpicox1011"vinesauce TAS slide"?
Not to mention this thing happens somewhat regularly with the guy. You could make an entire compilation video of how many times he pulls off some speedrunning nonsense by complete accident
I still remember being so confused posting my crash and seeing Kosmic in my mentions saying this was useful lol
The legend
so it was YOU
Yo that’s so fucking sick! Congrats!
can you acknowledge my existence please
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In GoldenEye 007, one new speedrunner, John Kaleta, apparently misinterpreted the statement "put your nose down to the grindstone & haul ass" found in a walkthrough, and played while looking down at the ground. Turns out this speeds up the game due to it not needing to render as much, so can lead to better times, and is now a common technique known as 'lookdown'.
should be called the kaleta walk, in honor of the guy who discovered it
Afaik that guy was also in his fiftys
@not_a_singular_thought >the kaleta walk
>the Kosmic stride
Yeah I remember Goose talking about this
I used to do that back when it was fresh to cope with lag when things got too explody, speedrunning wasn’t a thing then so we never thought about any of it, we all knew about strafing to go faster though as it made a much bigger difference especially when running for the armour in multiplayer
Who here knows about the time a streamer accidentally glitched through a door in MGS and overhauled thenway we understand that entire game?
u mean boba skip? only reason i know it is because im a huge yogscast fan
@raafmaatThe glitch is called Kevin, right? That's what Boba wanted it to be called
@ThisHandleIsNotUnavailable she called it Kevin yes, but one does not name their own skips, the community does ;)
I was expecting to see that skip in this video, lol
in Ori and the Will of the Wisps, a random person came into the Discord to ask why we were collecting a key ability (Light Burst) before posting an extremely trivial way to skip it saving 90 seconds on the run and was then never heard from again lol
What an absolute legend. I find that sort of behavior hilarious and wonder what prompts it from most people. It feels like the sort of thing I'd do, but, like, not on purpose. I'm too socially anxious even over the internet to wait for the 'that's cool and all but it's not really viable for x y and z' so I'd definitely just disappear after accidentally dropping an absolute bombshell lol
Reminds me of twilight princess where leaving the desert area took an annoying amount of time and a new runner reminded the runners that an optional npc could teleport you out lol tho tbf you do have to go out of your way to get access to the npc, but it does still save time lol
@l_iz_lgndry0118 You're talking about the minimum transformations catagory, right? Where they can't just teleport despite having free access to Wolf Link so runners instead go through ten levels of the Cave of Ordeals to find the Great Fairy who sends you as a human to the Ordon Spring? Surprised I remember that lol
That first guy crashing the game accidentally is how people who ask "how did they even find this?" think all glitches are found.
This is why, every time I see some random, weird, unbefore-seen bug when watching a streamer, I joke that it'll be a critical part of the speedrun in six months.
I love that Mario Kart 7 had like every multiple year long world record broken by a little kid in Japan lmao.
It was Mario Kart DS but yea lol
Yeah that was mkds
@Probably_Taken say what now? how come i never heard of this???
@aazronzaz9654 ruclips.net/video/3a-ybkAcc74/video.htmlsi=nLlbjc-HdiG6qYFp pretty interesting
lil bro had spawn immunity & homefield advantage
Spelunky HD has a great example of this, the most major sequence break in the game (bookskip, skips the entire "chain" process required to reach the secret Hell area) was found by someone who joined the discord just to post their curious find 9 years into the game's life
Reminds me of the guy who figured out the RNG in Silent Hill 2 and would just hand down awesome runs at random to streamers until they convinced him to spill his secrets
i gotta see this
What does this even mean?
6:20 calling kosmic the first human runner to pull it off after niftski already did is so funny but accurate, so many people prolly missed that
Abysoft did explain this last year when this was discovered and yeah it was niftski who was the person to do it in a live setting
niftski is not a human runner that's why
pull it off in a world record* (as the video clearly said)
@kirbisbestpoyo everyone knows he is a robot
are you suggesting niftski's run wasnt a record?
This reminds me of the fact that the BLJ was discovered by a random guy in a Nintendo Power magazine.
If I am correct one of the most famous involves a glitch to skip the second communications tower in Metal Gear Solid by healing as you get hit in front of a specific door that otherwise would be open but is blocked with ice. This was accidentally done by a Yogscast streamer and then it basically changed every single MGS1 speedrun.
Yep, Boba Skip (formerly known as Kevin)
@psymar Boba named the skip kevin, but for some obscure reason everyone still refers to the skip as the boba skip :(
I feel like the biggest example of this is Boba Skip from MGS. Speedrunners had been trying to clip through that door for years, and then Boba, a casual player, did it by accident. I'd also give a shout-out to Instant Text in Pokémon Red, which *was* found by a speedrunner, but completely by accident when he briefly forgot where he was in the run and went to the bike shop early. Turns out cancelling out of the bike shop menu with B sets your text speed to be faster than is otherwise possible -- saving up to 2 minutes in an any% glitchless run. (It's allowed in glitchless runs, which is controversial, but plenty of other controversial things are also allowed in glitchless runs, partly because it's hard *not* to glitch anything in Pokémon Red; we sometimes joke the category is actaully "any% Glitch Less".)
Shoutouts to my friend Pike who, not being a speedrunner of the game, accidentally found the setup for the biggest time-saving trick in Luigi's Mansion (outside of the out of bounds discovery) while practicing for a fun race with someone else, even after years of everyone saying the trick was impossible.
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Chauncey 1-cycle, right? I saw a video talking about this, I think.
7:48 coincidentally this is the artwork which was on the NES cartridge, specifically showing Mario actually what was believed to be a certain death, actually being the last frame of ending the game lol.
for anyone confused, they're talking about the artwork where Mario is jumping into a brick wall and using a fireball while there is lava below him. This would usually be certain death, but decades later this was actually discovered as an incredibly precise and adept technique that people can use to skip to the credits.
@SyntaxAttack so in other words, the scared mural predicted the future
@aazronzaz9654 what is the mural scared of
@cay7809it is scared of being autocorrected to sacred
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Hahahaha, I thought the same thing dude.
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i'm pretty sure that i've probably found a glitch that nobody else knows about, i just can't remember it
good one
I remember finding a glitch in human fall flat years ago playing with my brother that allowed you to infinitely jump in air. At the time I don't remember seeing any documentation of it online
This never led to any world records since it was in a randomizer and wasn't really possible to do outside of them, but I was once racing some other people in a Metroid fangame and accidentally ended up unlocked an upgrade that wasn't even legitimately obtainable at the time.
5:52 That was the most viceral reactio I have ever seen. You can really feel the joy
In the Toy Story game for SNES one of the bosses is the claw and is very annoying to do constantly, one day someome came to the SRC forums sharing a video, some random longplay skipped the boss by accident and the video was just there the whole time, turns out it's super easy to skipp the boss and nobody figured it out until that video was found
I remember a casual playing MGS1 and accidentally discovering a cutscene skip that speedrunners were looking for
in Kao the Kangaroo Round 2, after like a decade, someone randomly found that you can get 4 jumps in a row if you perform a frame perfect roll on the second frame after you stop using your glide powerup and it revolutionized the run completely
A great example of this is the new credits warp in Minecraft. Revolutionized a few categories, yet found by somebody that didn't have any part of MCSR
Myren has always been a VERY well known member of the technical minecraft community for a VERY long time, however. Sure, he’s not a speedrunner, not involved with MCSR specifically, but not at all a “random person”. Minecraft is unique in having separate speedrunning and technical communities, and they overlap sometimes.
One of half-life 2’ most important speedrun tricks, called bill’s big thrill, was discovered by accident by a streamer doing a casual run
Basically, if I remember correctly, a streamer was playing half-life 2 casually, and discovered a glitch where physics objects become super buggy and start floating when interacting with a tank. Speedrunners replicated it and discovered that this glitch can be used to disjoint the player’s two hitboxes and send one of them flying off, which led to a way for speedrunners to skip the entirety of the red letter day chapter
The thing with speedrunners is that the moment they think they're experts and "above" casuals is the point when they become worse than noobs.
If they reach that point, they get tunnel vision and it makes it too hard for them to find brand new stuff.
So they should never ignore new players or think they know everything, new players will always have a skill that they don't have, the ability to think out of the box.
7:59 Mort Garson's "Plantasia" detected, great taste my dude
4:45 Stickerbush Symphony is always a great song choice
it’s true
Social sciences have insisted over the last few decades that the only way to properly understand and grasp the complexity of the modern world is through a multidisciplinary approach. How can other sciences help each other with their respective understanding, like how a biological understanding at a cellular level help the way society operates, how psychology and philosophy can help understand the human mind on a biological level, things like that.
Speedrunning is the best representation of that. The idea that a random player can come up with a new approach is precisely what makes these breakthroughs possible. During the early GTA Online days my then gf came up with such a ridiculously simple way to duplicate cars that none of the dedicated exploiters figured out. They eventually did, a few years later, but it's funny how you can master a topic or a discipline to the point your vision just narrows to what is known and not what it could be
I remember a time years I suggested using hades and quadra magic in ff7 og to 4-8 as I knew it did certain things to Ruby weapon... since it's a pincer attack in a sense... and it was what turned into dazers used to inflict stop which I was quite surprised... I guided the discovery to be found by being there with the knowledge I've had for years, but it wasn't the stop that I originally wanted to show, instead that after the first cast of quadra magic, even the tentacles would be hit by hades as well... a missed detail or perhaps feature to make it better to beat Ruby with
This is a major reason why I always record my gameplay, even when playing casually. You never know what shenanigans will ensue.
smart
I discovered something while playing odyssey and found i could spam it to climb high objects, turns out it was just the double hat throw that you get taught at the end of the game 😔
Although it was useful for getting to some places not intended by the devs so 🤷♂️
0:29 My uncle Rubenilo spent 20 years behind bars for not waiting for the carpet.
1:42 peak song choice
Song name?
@red24_ MF Doom - Rapp Snitch Knishes in DKC soundfound
@AntoG Just remember ALL CAPS when you spell the man name
My favorite causal player finding a skip/glitch is the Boba skip in MGS. She was doing a casual playthrough of the game and manages to find the biggest skip all while having a look of confusion on what she just found.
I discovered the perfect dark Carrington institute grenade launcher over the wall to save hostages quickly trick several years before the speedrunning community did. It was the only way i could get the cheat for that level. My friend who was into speedrunning back in the VHS validation days mentioned it to me as a new thing, and I was like "you guys didn't know about that?"
I love that casuals contribute to speedrunning or that there are guys who really understand the theory behind glitching that aren't speedrunners but help speedrunners realize new glitches etc.
Truly a community in that sense.
Probably my favourite accidental casual was that lass who clipped through the Communications Tower door on MGS.
Besides Kosmic explaining how the wrong warp works Abysoft explain the Wrong warp base on the credit coming from Niftski and Webb. And Summoning Salt and Abysoft also explain how Mario Kart 64 found new discovery change and the history behind Mario Kart 64. I never understand how hard the clip was in Mario Odyssey.
And SM64 is basically using Bobomb bloated state and regrab. And gives you negative speed. The second goal using this trick is to get to the wrap zone on top of Red coin section to deload the bobomb appearance, the only hard part is resetting the bobomb exploding timer base on his size and keep the hitbox close to Mario. After that your goal is to get to the far left side of the platform outside of the house. And then the hardest glitch walk kick comes in, into the top and boom. Star. All of this in 45 seconds. That is the old Carpetless strat.
The most complex understanding is the Bobomb hitbox and his loading property from the holp. Main explanation goes to Bismuth from the ABC challenge.
I loved the use of Mort Garson's Plantasia in the soundtrack.
That first Mario one is like that thing with the apes writing Shakespeare. All those frame perfect jumps that the casual player just happened to do on one random day? Insane!
Not quite. The casual player encountered the crash that brought attention to the exploitable flaw in the code, which in itself is pretty wild. But the sequence of frame perfect jumps that is outlined to do the credits warp specifically was labbed out by speedrunners to make that flaw in the code do what they want it to. But it _is_ still wild how something that might seem inconsequential, odd and mildly inconvenient to a casual player can make such a difference to the speedrunning community.
@edelweiss8598Oh, I see, that makes sense. Still sweet!!
I remember when the moon clip breakthrough happened in the mario odyssey community it was awesome to see new routes sprouting everywhere
Thought for sure that Boba skip would come up
This is very similar to how grandmaster chess players will have a hard time playing against children sometimes since they're prepared for the most common strategies and not random moves.
That Mario crash one is pretty crazy, imagine if Simplistic wasn't there, who knows how long it would have taken to notice and investigate it.
dude that odyssey one is insane. had no clue it was discovered on accident.
I think ACE is an exploit that allows you to run code you inject, as opposed to "just" memory editing. For example RBA in OOT is a limited memory edit, and SRM is a more wide-ranging memory edit, but (in non-ACE setups) it only causes existing game code to corrupt _data structures_ used by other code, rather than running custom code which does so.
The ace in smb could be used for total control and a later tas was released fully writing original code it just wasn't needed for the credits warp
Toad: speedrunner were so far behind how are we gonna get the world record for Mario kart 64 now?
Speedrunner: I know a shortcut
Toad: SPEEDRUNNER WHY ARE WE CLIPPING THROUGH WALLS
This whole video is just vinesauce vinny's passive ability in a shellnut
*Vinny Vinesauce
@AverageJoeMamashh they’re using formal formatting
I remember that one woman just accidentally finding a 3 minute skip by damage boosting through a seemingly impassable door with accidental positioning.
Finding glitches is a godly skill I have, some people can be good at finding glitches and they can be anyone. Just because you are a professional at a game doesn’t mean you know all about it! A good tip for finding glitches that I have is to understand the system, it’s hard to explain but for example: in Roblox when you sit on an anchored part you become anchored, so if you teleport anywhere Roblox will refuse and you will stay on the chair instead.
I found this cool roblox game that I was extremely good at, and because of it I got instantly bored when I finished the game, it was also a multiplayer pvp game. And so because of that I decided to try and find a simple bug in the game, I found this cool magic power that teleports you and your opponent in a slowly closing arena that forced you to fight or both die.
Knowing the system, chair nullifies yourself from teleporting, meaning my opponent is forced to die inside the arena.
I found out I was the first and only person who know about this glitch, and the knowledge of this glitch spread rapidly so it got patched before I could abuse it more, it was fun while it lasted as peoples reactions were pretty funny!!
There’s alllata more glitches I found myself that the public could never find in many other games but I’m too lazy to list them and I don’t wanna give game names for personal reasons. The point of this comment is that you can be a professional at glitch finding just like being a professional at hacking or exploiting on games, the only way to be good at finding glitches as a professional in said game is by accident from playing a lot, but that strategy is lwk ass so I don’t recommend you do that. But yeah that’s it!!
(Sorry if my English is bad, I h just realized my grammar got worse but I don’t know why)
The fact that the SMB2 crash looks like the cover art of SMB1 is one of my favorite coincidences in gaming.
"Once you are able to alter the game's memory, you are then able to manipulate it."
In other words, you become Neo, and with your actions you inspire and free other speed runners to play as they see fit.
In Spyro the Dragon, at least two different methods for skipping a difficult supercharge section in Tree Tops were discovered by random people. There's a squeeze through a fence which came from a random Twitter user, and the Laura launch (named after the speedrunner who made it a viable strat) which sat undiscovered in a RUclips video for something like 13 years.
oh hey I know the Luigi's Sidekick guy
3:24 that image with the vine shown in the video isnt actually from Super Mario Bros. but it is actually from the game Mari0, basically smb but with portals, you can also make your own "mappacks" in it which is quite cool in my opinion
dayum you talkin straight facts out of nowhere
@Awthumb fr
some of the images here are also def not from smb1 like the goomba&piranha but idk where theyre from
there a lots of cool mappacks for it too
@imnonumbe yep, not all the images were from SMB1. i just did that 4 the visualz
Not including Boba skip from MGS should be a crime.
I actually know if something that could be huge. You see, in kirby air ride, when playing as king dedede, you can move slightly when your vehicle is destroyed. I found out that spamming up on the dpad or joystick repeatedly is faster than just holding it. I can't wait to see what revolutionary changes this will have on the kirby air ride community/j
"random players outsmarting speedrunners"
look inside
"random players accidentally stumble across freak glitches"
I get the why, but I don't feel like Forest should be counted in this, sure, nobody knew who he was, but calling someone who has thinkering and researching the game for years a "random player" is just wrong
Ah, that GTA 3 theme . . . I can feel the warm summer nights . . .
If speedrunners took their “do anything possible to shave off even 12 milliseconds off my run” and put it into getting a job, we could probably save the economy that’s currently collapsing
This reminds me of the story of the Hover Glitch in Jak 2 & 3, which was randomly discovered by a guy who wasn't even sure how he did it, but after sending it to speedrunners it was replicated, guides were made, further huge discoveries were found using the glitch, and right now this is basically the main movement tech of both games. You can find the whole story on ThaRixer's channel, he made a 50-minutes video about it back in the day, and it's still really interesting to watch
Shoutout to Kevin Skip in Metal Gear Solid. Found by a casual first-time player by complete accident and shaved more than two minutes from the WR once people figured out how it works.
i never heard of the ACE one on the lost levels , but when Forest arrive , i didn't believe it either , but it was insane
My ears flare up whenever I hear the GTA III theme.
I remember one time a friend and I were playing Melee on Hyrule Castle on my disc copy of the game. I was Boswer and he was Yoshi. We were in that crevice connecting the underground tunnel section and platform with the rest of the stage. Suddenly our characters got lifted slightly above ground and slowly dragged horizontally through the air for a few seconds across just a few meters, before we regained control of our characters and gameplay resumed as normal. It never happened again and I've never seen a similar glitch happen to anyone else
There is, of course, the Boba Skip, where Yogscast's Boba randomly found a 2 minute skip on Metal Gear Solid on her first playthrough.
I still know a glitch from a PS2 game that they are still speed running to this day and yet I havent seen anyone doing the glitch
So theres this bus...
honest writing tip: this isn't a video essay, you don't need to lean so hard on the "start with a broad generic statement, then get specific" thing. especially because staying too abstract for too long runs the risk of boring the viewer with old news and giving them the impression that you aren't confident they'll find the actual matter at hand interesting (even though they willingly clicked on the video). we want to get to the good stuff just as much as you do, there's no need for two and a half minutes of formalities like "super mario bros is one of the oldest games out there." the most recent pannenkoek stuff is good inspo for efficient intros for this kind of vid i think
"When random players outsmart speedrunners"
*2/3 people shown are speedrunners of the games they made discoveries in*
1:45 Audio jumpscare
3:21 WHY IS THE GOOMBA SO DETAILED
That SMB2J ACE puts a new spin on the xkcd "Real Programmers" comic (#378).
"Real programmers use vim?"
Actually, *REAL* programmers get to level 8-4 of SMB2J, jump off the first pipe within a two frame window, jump into the coin block within a two frame window, execute a double perfect one frame jump onto a pipe, fire a frame perfect fireball, pull off a frame perfect A+B, fire a frame perfect fireball into a blooper to get the 200 score in the right place, then [...] precisely speed jump into the poison mushroom block and after all of that you have a three frame window to land in the lava. This sequence of frame perfect presses will confuse the DEOF function in the repeating level, causing the 6502 NES processor to overflow the active entity type list, and overwrites the code in such a way that the CPU ends up jumping to the credits sequence.
i need more Dire Dire Docks soundtrack in my life
randomly came across this after I had already given up to find channels similar to pannenkoek and here you are. the music at 1:50 sealed the deal. amazing content
Interesting video, but your editing style specially when you put text on screen is VERY eye straining 😢 could I suggest slowing the rippling effect or getting rid of it altogether for future videos?
I wouldn't call that MK64 guy a random or casual player. Looks like a straight up glitch hunter and literally made a TAS (very cool video still)
Many a player randomly find stuff like this it seems, what's great is getting some explanations months to years after doing something like this.
I myself had ended up doing a glitch in Resi 4, ended up experiencing it with the Blacktail myself, alot of second guessing myself in am i running faster or not, i later read a gamefaqs post calling it Ditman glitch.
Another's Mgs on ps1 up in the tower, that door skip, tho that happened years upon years ago an my memory is vague, I just recall thinking i broke my game that time as I was following a guide, never got an answer until recently, tho obviously I've no proof of either, im just happen learning what in the world happened in both cases.
Does make me wonder what else might be my normal in games but is actually a glitch.
I found a bucket duplication glitch inside Minecraft once on a server I frequened, and then the dupe was immediately banned apon my vocal discovery. No idea if it was a plugin, multiplayer, or just general Minecraft bug, but it really wasn't that useful since you can't smelt buckets into nuggets.
I still forget iron nuggets are in the game.
Dear God.
It is most likely completely useless for anything tbh, but i remember this time i found a glitch in tloz the minish cap that for some reason softlocks you when an enemy grabs you.
The enemy grabs you and instantly ungrabs you, but you're still stuck and no matter how much you mash the buttons you can't get unstuck, the sprite of the enemy grabbing you also dissapears so you can only see link's head, i still don't know what causes this.
Forest kinda sounds like the non-theatrical, MK version of Satvara, someone who discovered tons of GoW glitches.
Forest64 what a legend 😂
This actually doesn't remind me of any time that I found a glitch in a game and didn't change the speedrunning scene in any game!
Reminded of the MGS door skip.
Speedrunners ARE random players 🤦♂️
i mean, when i was a kid i was playing New Super Mario Bros, there you buy like different themes for your screen with the Starcoins, but i got curious and decided to be quick and press another of the themes before my Starcoins ran out (they run out 1 by 1 pretty fast, like a little "animation") and it worked, i had all the themes without having all the Starcoins, i felt good
i don't remember if i had all the stars in the save selection screen but nonetheless, i felt like a boss
Really love ur music choice on this video! Plantasia, Rap snitch knishes, etc.
bro you and turndownforwalt both jumpscared me with that DOOM beat
if you all know of other times where this type of situation has happened in other games.... I will make a sequel to this video!
Didn't this happen with the moon clip in Mario Odyssey
well then i just watched the rest of the video (great minds think alike)
idk if it caused bino storage to be discovered but someone trying to do fwg in celeste died due to bino interaction storage before we discovered how bino interaction storage works. Basically theres binoculars in celeste that you can preview the level with, but if you exit one and jump on the next frame you preserve the bino state so when you leave the room the game gets confused and puts you back into all normal states (cancelling dashes, bubbles, etc). The person doing fwg did the tech and then left the room in a bubble that they were meant to keep that dissappeared on the room transition. This tech is still only used in TAS's to preserve some speed I'm pretty sure, but it's still cool that it was discovered by a reg player.
I already posted a comment on it but Driftwood Shore Skip in Mario & Luigi: Dream Team was found by someone who doesnt speedrun or glitchhunt the game, and found on complete accident. He posted in the server saying "I found a funny visual glitch". He did not even know he found a huge skip. He would wake up the next day confused as to why people were calling him a legend lol. The skip saved ~55 minutes and brought the WR from 4:04 down to a 3:06. (with the latter being better in gameplay, I never did get that sub 4 with the old route... I will one day.)
I don't know all the details about it, but Spelunky HD's Bookskip route was entirely discovered by someone who randomly joined the discord server to showcase a glitch that nobody else in the community had thought to try. this caused many new routes through the game to become possible, since it skipped the whole chain of items normally required to reach the secret final area and boss. not quite as old of a game as the lost levels, but still pretty notable for how technical some tricks in spelunky are
my friend kirbyfan (thats there online name) her wii glitched out while playing kirby AV and the music glitched out and then the screen it was so cool, i wonder if that could ever be a soeedrun trick
like how a glitch someone found made a world record
Damn, with the stuff I've seen around other communities, you're gonna have to make some more parts!
I literally know about game crashing bugs in Loop Hero and Poco just because i was messing around, never saw anyone talking about it (but i only googled it quickly so maybe someone do know).
The Loop Hero bug literally makes it the most unplayable game ever to the point it crashes the game or the most easy game ever made.
And the Poco bug makes the game Tas looking like a black screen and you finish the game in maybe 1 minute. (I dunno how to make a TAS but i presume it would be like that since it skips a lot of traveling)
I feel like its only a matter of time before they figure out how to do ace in earlier levels for lost levels though I don’t know anything about lost levels
No way we did this again
"one of the oldest video games out there" for a game released nearly thirty years after the first video games...
The time Vinny (Vinesauce) discovered a trick that was previously thought to be humanly impossible.