The Dubliners The Old Orange Flute

Поделиться
HTML-код
  • Опубликовано: 28 ноя 2024

Комментарии • 225

  • @Kysushanz
    @Kysushanz Год назад +20

    I'm a Belfast man, protestant with mixed family roots (left foot and right foot) in Crumlin and now living 12,000km from Belfast. I enjoy songs from both sides of the religious divide - they are part and parcel of Irish history; celebrate it.

    • @anthonywalsh7613
      @anthonywalsh7613 Год назад

      Love this comment. I’m a left foot, but spent time over in Belfast, hoping on my right foot 🤣

    • @robertflint2549
      @robertflint2549 3 месяца назад

      I'm an Irish-Australian protestant. I love this stuff. It transcends religion and petty borders.

  • @Bhaleri
    @Bhaleri 5 лет назад +93

    I’m a Dublin Catholic, residing in Canada, and every time I hear this song I just smile.
    I think it’s great that Irish men like the Dubliners can sing “the Ould Orange Flute” and “The Sash Me Father Wore” for the sheer fun of it. They are great songs, so witty and rhythmic, and how can anyone take offence? And I’m speaking as a traditional Roman Catholic with a good sense of humour and full knowledge of my Irish history.

    • @baddow1654
      @baddow1654 5 лет назад +18

      I agree with you but in fairness if your living in a catholic area and every July protestants March through banging their drums blowing their flute and singing sectarian song can you blame people for getting offended.

    • @danielfaherty491
      @danielfaherty491 4 года назад +5

      Orange men blow eachothers flutes all year

    • @Idk_19890
      @Idk_19890 4 года назад +2

      @@danielfaherty491 says wee Daniel who has probably had more dick ends than weekends in the chapel.

    • @user-ys5yv2nz6w
      @user-ys5yv2nz6w 4 года назад +5

      @@Idk_19890 Can we not resort to this shit. It's just a song.

    • @thegranddilligaf
      @thegranddilligaf 3 года назад +4

      I'm a Belfast Presbyterian also now living in Canada, and I agree with you 100%.

  • @millarcrawford4374
    @millarcrawford4374 11 лет назад +33

    I'm a bluenose as well and love Irish music, we are all human, love the Irish and enjoyed my time over there.But don't tell anyone

    • @edwardtanner6393
      @edwardtanner6393 6 лет назад +3

      Millar Crawford im a bluenose and proud to be irish.

    • @PrenticeBoy1688
      @PrenticeBoy1688 3 года назад +1

      That's a controversial position. They're human, you say?

  • @jessesands4099
    @jessesands4099 4 года назад +12

    Have always loved this song since I first heard it 30 years ago in 1990! Probably gets played a lot on the 12th of July!🙂🧔🎻🎸🎙️🎼🎵🎶🧡🍻🍺🥃🇮🇪

  • @emmettdoylemusic
    @emmettdoylemusic 11 лет назад +41

    This song is fairly popular in the Irish folk scene among non-Orange bands, due to it being both a great song and being humorous rather than aggressive or militant.

    • @robertflint2549
      @robertflint2549 Месяц назад

      Yep, Ronnie didn't like to do songs that divided people. This one doesn't.

  • @jaycarrigan9521
    @jaycarrigan9521 Год назад +9

    As a Canadian of Irish-Catholic descent enjoying this song is like enjoying Bushmills Whiskey (Which is considered by knuckledraggers, my dad included to be "Protestant Whiskey"and he'll call me an Orangeman for enjoying it) ,The song is humourous and non-triumphilaist like Bushmills is sweet to the toungue and nose and gets you drunk,Love it.

  • @jessesands4099
    @jessesands4099 3 года назад +3

    Listening To This Wonderful Song On The 12th Of July!😉🧡🧡🧡🧡🎙🪕🥁🎼🎼🎵🎶🇮🇪

  • @johnc6634
    @johnc6634 6 лет назад +30

    If yer cant take the craic theres no hope for us all

  • @thegranddilligaf
    @thegranddilligaf 6 лет назад +35

    As a Nordie and a Proddie to boot- this song makes me laugh like a drain.

    • @tiernanwearen8096
      @tiernanwearen8096 3 года назад +4

      Before the troubles many bands played orange and green songs

    • @thegranddilligaf
      @thegranddilligaf 3 года назад +2

      @@tiernanwearen8096 Oh I know. My parents and grandparents told me it used to be a lot more friendly.

  • @LordWellington15
    @LordWellington15 13 лет назад +9

    And still we cry NO SURRENDER

    • @mikey7790
      @mikey7790 7 месяцев назад

      NEVER SURRENDER

  • @wchurchillflippingthebird3545
    @wchurchillflippingthebird3545 2 года назад +2

    Another amazing rendition of the Ol'O.Flute.
    I love this based a.f tune

  • @jackmurray1613
    @jackmurray1613 Год назад +1

    From the south myself, have to admit I do love this song and play it on the regular.

  • @deerhunter2218
    @deerhunter2218 4 года назад +7

    I was brought up a prod, I sang all the songs without really knowing what I was singing about, my papa was an Irish Catholic from donegal and I'm actually quite ashamed of myself for singing those songs, thankfully I grew out of that nonsense, live and let live, protestant and catholic, we're all one

  • @stevendale7658
    @stevendale7658 Год назад +4

    God bless all the dubliners there will never be anyone like them again

  • @truthseeker444
    @truthseeker444 12 лет назад +40

    This song is actually about a relation of mine, My Granny used to to say "The only turn coat in the whole family, and they had to write a song about him", lol. Seems ridiculous now, my son nephews, all dating Catholic girls, thankfully most of us in N. Ireland have let go of our programmed Bigotry

    • @robin48gx
      @robin48gx 6 лет назад +1

      Wow really? So who is the historical Bridget Madin? Are the names correct in the song?

    • @truthseeker444
      @truthseeker444 4 года назад +1

      @@robin48gx My Granny was Williamson, and it was a Bridget McGinn that Bob married, Ive been doing the family tree for about 5 years, and so far not found a Robert Williamson who married a Bridget McGinn. There is a page on Wikipedia about this song.

  • @ODDSNSODS
    @ODDSNSODS 12 лет назад +2

    been over here since 1963 , was actually born in an old cottage next to the shop on jervis street

  • @padraigcronin1172
    @padraigcronin1172 8 лет назад +67

    A light-hearted ballad that takes the mickey out of sectarianism, but gets such heavy comments.

    • @mazy7438
      @mazy7438 8 лет назад +9

      and so the mickey should be taken outta "our" sectarianism ..at least in song !
      Christianity has a bigger fight to fight these days !

    • @thegranddilligaf
      @thegranddilligaf 6 лет назад +3

      You hit the nail squarely on the head- well said.

    • @gutworm686
      @gutworm686 6 лет назад +2

      It doesn’t take the mickey out of sectarianism. Its purpose was to abuse turncoats and take the mickey out of them. Which it succeeds in doing rather nicely.

    • @deanodog3667
      @deanodog3667 6 лет назад +4

      @@gutworm686 soup taker ??

    • @paddymac5161
      @paddymac5161 5 лет назад +1

      Mazy74 you going to fight other idiots who believe in magic men in the sky now?

  • @SammyEnglish
    @SammyEnglish 14 лет назад +5

    @jason48452
    'The Sash My Father Wore' actually won an award at a folk festival in Glasgow, many many years ago.
    Why anyone thinks it is bigoted is beyond belief.

  • @ODDSNSODS
    @ODDSNSODS 12 лет назад +2

    born on 12/11/57 in Portadown , last time i checked thts in ireland , miles away from New york or Boston USA , but of course the makes use more irish than me cos im a prod , enjoy ure pretending paddy lives, great tune anyways

  • @CollyGraham
    @CollyGraham 3 года назад +3

    I’m from Dungannon, Co Tyrone and my Granny taught me this song. I walked into The Embankment in Dublin in the sixties and the first song I heard was “The Auld Orange Flute”

    • @micheal2733
      @micheal2733 2 года назад

      This was recorded before the troubles...

  • @chenzenzo
    @chenzenzo 4 года назад

    Like #900.
    God bless Ireland and keep Erin in your hearts. And Christ won't mix up the good lord and our farts.

  • @sk002
    @sk002 12 лет назад +5

    I love the Dubliners.

  • @joewall2545
    @joewall2545 8 лет назад +8

    ronnie the best ah ya never beat Im.:-)

  • @ulsterinfidel9897
    @ulsterinfidel9897 2 года назад +3

    Even the taigs have till love it

  • @lexieanderson7274
    @lexieanderson7274 5 лет назад +4

    Best version ever

  • @kokobwild2413
    @kokobwild2413 Месяц назад

    Heres to those brave protestant men who gave their lives to free our land.

  • @briandelaney9710
    @briandelaney9710 4 года назад +27

    The only Protestant song I will sing on St Patrick’s Day

    • @scottishbritish7416
      @scottishbritish7416 3 года назад +3

      Why?

    • @davidmcclymont6326
      @davidmcclymont6326 2 года назад +2

      Sing them all protestants and Catholics lived in peace together until James of Scotland fecked it all up we were the same people once

    • @domsumner7307
      @domsumner7307 Год назад

      You aint an orange man are ya?

    • @gratefuldeadhead1979
      @gratefuldeadhead1979 4 месяца назад

      the green is the catholics ..the orange is the prods!…the white is the peace between us 🇬🇧🤝🇮🇪

    • @gratefuldeadhead1979
      @gratefuldeadhead1979 4 месяца назад

      i’ll sing with ye “brother” 😂

  • @alanbbrady8196
    @alanbbrady8196 Год назад +1

    A Few years since i heard Ronnies' voice. I'd forgotten how gravel it was.

  • @ttbb5551
    @ttbb5551 7 лет назад +7

    Who remembers Val Kilmer singing this in the 'Ghost and the Darkness'

  • @DundeeFC1893
    @DundeeFC1893 11 лет назад +4

    Yes. Nice picture by the way. Isn't that the flag of an independent Ulster? Could be wrong, I thought it was! Nice flag anyway. God bless the Ulster-Scots.

  • @Bud1UK
    @Bud1UK 14 лет назад +38

    @richjohnf
    The Old Orange Flute is an Irish song lad, if you want a united Ireland you must recognise the protestant minority in Ireland as Irishmen and Irishwomen and as your brothers and sisters, otherwise you shall never know peace in your country.

    • @danielfaherty491
      @danielfaherty491 4 года назад

      yea becasue they're so easy to get along with

    • @james09995
      @james09995 3 года назад +2

      Maybe read the Irish Constitution...then get back to me!

    • @jgreenhoff
      @jgreenhoff 2 года назад +2

      Some form of united Ireland is fairly inevitable regardless of how entrenched some elements of 'loyalism' are. But I agree with you, the unionist tradition which is a minority on the island should be recognised and accepted. But the reality is partition was very wrong - the current leader of the Ulster Unionist Party, Doug Beattie, yhinks likewise (although in his opinion all of Ireland should still be part of the UK etc).
      The overwhelming majority of protestants in the 26 counties feel as 'Irish' as anyone and so they should. Most protestants in the Republic are nationalists. Why? Because they are from Ireland and proud of it. Religious faith should not define nationality and it doesn't in the Republic, which is a far more progressive society than N.I.
      The sad reality for unionists in the North is that vast majority of people in England see Billy from Newtownards as much of a 'Paddy' as Seán from Wexford.
      In a 'new Ireland' the Twelfth should be a national holiday.

    • @bigsinger1981
      @bigsinger1981 2 года назад

      Ditto.

    • @ianocallaghan1418
      @ianocallaghan1418 2 года назад

      Couldn't agree more

  • @grahammason8558
    @grahammason8558 Год назад

    The ale flute still playing the protestant boys. Just a brilliant and funny song. Being from bangor i sang the chorus as a kid but didnt realise the meaning behind the song.

  • @rab1688
    @rab1688 12 лет назад +2

    Brilliant.

  • @johnc6634
    @johnc6634 6 лет назад +5

    Some just take this song as it is . A folk song

  • @khatpandwa
    @khatpandwa 14 лет назад

    very nice - thank you - and best wishes

  • @brownleerfc
    @brownleerfc 12 лет назад +2

    Great tune

  • @smooothvelvet
    @smooothvelvet 8 лет назад +1

    The greatest songs

  • @cutefilms9385
    @cutefilms9385 5 лет назад +8

    2019 - British... protestant. Come on Protestant Ireland !! I might paint my flute orange. xx

    • @charlesrogers822
      @charlesrogers822 5 лет назад +2

      Mt grandfather was a Scot, died (1937) before I was born but i was given his tin whistle. In his honor I tied an orange ribbon around with a big bow. Mt son now has it. My great-grand father was an Orangeman from Belfast. Prouf of my heritage.

  • @SammyEnglish
    @SammyEnglish 12 лет назад +4

    A great Orange song.
    GSTQ

  • @peterdawson1010
    @peterdawson1010 6 лет назад +2

    FROM EVERTON 1690 . WELL DONE LAD

  • @stewartyt8504
    @stewartyt8504 5 месяцев назад

    Away up in Gorgie at Tynecastle Park...

  • @robertwesex2533
    @robertwesex2533 6 лет назад

    Yer bloody perfect, byes.

  • @DurtDurty
    @DurtDurty 11 лет назад +6

    ronnie can make a song you grew up hating sound good

  • @nickelodeon23
    @nickelodeon23 14 лет назад +2

    Sounds like the Hearts song... "Away up in Gorgie at Tynecastle park..."

  • @tonycarton8054
    @tonycarton8054 4 года назад

    stunning irony worthy of the country of Beckett ,Joyce and Wilde

  • @Prodboy1690
    @Prodboy1690 13 лет назад +1

    i like it

  • @wallace18ify
    @wallace18ify Год назад

    im a prod unionust fae the black north and i fukin luv this song

  • @354sd
    @354sd 14 лет назад

    Good old days

  • @Flyingscotsman93
    @Flyingscotsman93 6 лет назад +1

    It was the old orange flute playing protestant boys.

  • @DundeeFC1893
    @DundeeFC1893 11 лет назад +5

    Catholics and protestants together in a United Ireland. One day, one day!

  • @KENKENNIFF
    @KENKENNIFF 5 лет назад +1

    28 people wanted a bit of weaving done in Dungannon

  • @obiterdictum3
    @obiterdictum3 8 лет назад

    I enjoy the roger between the Cats and the Protestants lullz

  • @roymckie667
    @roymckie667 9 лет назад +12

    Quis separabit

  • @condaly
    @condaly 11 лет назад +8

    It's borders were changed when the 6 counties became a Gerrymandered state-let, set up by the English to give protestants a Majority. Is that what you're referring to? Ulster always was and always will be 9 Counties.

  • @REPENTBELIEVE
    @REPENTBELIEVE 5 лет назад +7

    Where would you get it !

  • @KungfuCow5
    @KungfuCow5 13 лет назад +1

    @gazwel83 You say "surrender". I say compromise for the greater good.

  • @richardjohns383
    @richardjohns383 4 года назад

    Luvvutttttt

  • @abdulabdullah3679
    @abdulabdullah3679 6 лет назад +1

    The cry was No Surrender.... and this is what history shall remember.

  • @jamieocallaghan5372
    @jamieocallaghan5372 10 лет назад +46

    There's only one thing better than being British, and that's being Irish! 🍀 Up the Republic!

    • @sirponsonbywobblebottom3051
      @sirponsonbywobblebottom3051 8 лет назад +5

      Nice one - I'll trump that - I'm British / Irish!

    • @Memento--Mori
      @Memento--Mori 7 лет назад +2

      Jamie O'Callaghan
      Tiocfaidh Ár Á!

    • @rickysneddon4249
      @rickysneddon4249 7 лет назад +4

      Jamie O'Callaghan There's only one thing worse than being British and that's being Irish.

    • @paulinegall57
      @paulinegall57 6 лет назад

      I'll second that.🇮🇪

    • @TheGrowler55
      @TheGrowler55 6 лет назад +2

      Now I know that your Taking the Piss. lol C'Mon The Protestant Boys. W.A.T.P.

  • @ghosttown999
    @ghosttown999 12 лет назад

    Thanks to everyone for once again showing that comments on youtube is the bog wall of the world. Youse'd be all wiping shite on it if you could, like chimps that's been locked up too long.
    Great song by the way, the loyalists have got this, the Sash and the Protestant boys, which are all classics. All youse need is 6 more decent tracks and you'd have a whole album :)

  • @kippers1970
    @kippers1970 11 лет назад +1

    Well said Truhseeker444, I was brought up on this and Marmite. No connection except that not everyone loves Marmite. :)

  • @abdulabdullah3679
    @abdulabdullah3679 7 лет назад +15

    Guinness family proud Irish Protestants or not ?

    •  4 года назад

      yep. irelands claim to fame is a proddy drink

    • @user-ys5yv2nz6w
      @user-ys5yv2nz6w 4 года назад

      @ Its a good thing then that Ireland isn't only for Catholics

    • @sandycampbell866
      @sandycampbell866 4 года назад +1

      Advertised as a good protestant stout when first came out

    • @michaelking9772
      @michaelking9772 4 года назад

      Ah yous Prods are smart people ,invented the Stout to stop the Irish ruling the World..!!!!

  • @traskpierce3774
    @traskpierce3774 2 года назад

    Need my floot back my grandmother took my skin of orange

  • @golfclub48
    @golfclub48 12 лет назад

    here here

  • @ODDSNSODS
    @ODDSNSODS 12 лет назад

    got an ass kicking from me cousins too when i told them bout it , i been in england toooooooooooo long lol

  • @johnmckiernan987
    @johnmckiernan987 7 лет назад +8

    Teresa May is playing the ol' orange flute now.

  • @LordWellington15
    @LordWellington15 13 лет назад

    @KungfuCow5 Ya, nice comeback there kid.

  • @brianmodum5312
    @brianmodum5312 6 лет назад

    Liom tu!

  • @ODDSNSODS
    @ODDSNSODS 12 лет назад

    appologies sarahooxo , n.ireland of course . :-)

  • @dbpgh
    @dbpgh 4 года назад

    Im an Indonesian Irish Catholic transgender protestant black israelíte who likes a touch of honey in my morning tea. Recently my dog barked and i let her out to pee, it happened during this song

  • @Rubikoolkid
    @Rubikoolkid 7 месяцев назад

    as a prod 🎉

  • @TheRasputin2
    @TheRasputin2 13 лет назад +1

    lol wot a shower of fannies!

  • @konstantineguruli
    @konstantineguruli 7 лет назад +2

    Come on lads! The religion is meant to help peoples' lives become better, not to split one nation into two peaces: Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland. I feel sad about it, because I am Georgian and my country has struggled same things from Russia as Ireland has struggled from England. It is stupid to loose your compatriots because of how you pray, what do you call a person who represents Church - priest or minister. It does NOT matter. The homeland, homecountry is more important than religion.

  • @tonycarton8054
    @tonycarton8054 4 года назад

    i doubt that any country could appreciate the irony here

  • @gerdub22
    @gerdub22 7 лет назад +2

    love the song. but thats a ropey pic at the start. Ronnie looks like the ayatollah...

  • @aggyuvf
    @aggyuvf 13 лет назад +2

    Tooraloo mon the Bailieston Protestant boys !

  • @golfclub48
    @golfclub48 12 лет назад

    they bought him a new 1 2 play \t
    stead ha ha

  • @Bud1UK
    @Bud1UK 14 лет назад +2

    @richjohnf
    What I would most like to see was an English, Irish, Welsh and Scottish nation united in brotherhood and equality regardless of race or religion for the mutual prosperity of us all. The differences that divide us pale in signifigance in comparison to the ties that unite us, our long shared culture and history. I'm willing to embrace you as a brother and kinsman, are you willing to do the same?

  • @golfclub48
    @golfclub48 13 лет назад

    rory gety real mate

  • @theirishroverlad
    @theirishroverlad 8 лет назад +1

    ERIN GO BRAGH!!

  • @golfclub48
    @golfclub48 13 лет назад

    true irish manlol

  • @wjf0ne
    @wjf0ne 11 лет назад

    Sorry 1995Scotsman but a United Ireland within the EU which federalists want to break up into regions and cities isn't on the agenda. The fight for a United ireland can only be done through the ballot box by preventing closer union and I don't see any Irish voters defying Europe in any second ballots.

  • @TheGrowler55
    @TheGrowler55 6 лет назад +6

    The Flute would only play the Protestant Boy's, That'll do for me.

  • @johncook8274
    @johncook8274 4 года назад +1

    Watp

  • @rhodiusscrolls3080
    @rhodiusscrolls3080 3 года назад

    State religion Prodestant ...And all it would play was the Prodestant Boys...

  • @tarmonhill
    @tarmonhill 12 лет назад

    we'll get there soon enough. our day is coming.

  • @thomaswatson342
    @thomaswatson342 9 лет назад +11

    I hear a lot of people getting mad over the sash now can one of you Catholics tell me what is so offensive about the sash it's a song about a piece of clothing and doesn't even mention Catholics in it

    • @padraigcronin1172
      @padraigcronin1172 8 лет назад +4

      The sash in question is the Orange sash, and does not the song mention that the sash is the terror of them papish boys?

    • @edwardtanner6393
      @edwardtanner6393 5 лет назад +1

      @@padraigcronin1172 no it doesnt and its the colour of one of the colours of the irish flag . Whats not to like?

    • @padraigcronin1172
      @padraigcronin1172 5 лет назад

      Yes, orange is in the Irish flag, but wearers of the Orange sash do not as a rule want anything to do with that portion of Ireland whose flag it is.

    • @edwardtanner6393
      @edwardtanner6393 5 лет назад

      @@padraigcronin1172 your wrong about the sash lyrics . The orange stand for the protestant planters . The green for the irish catholics and the white is for peace however after partition the protestant population has dwindled from 10% to 3% . The orange order is not tolerated in most areas in
      the republic. . Why not change the flag then if the sash is offensive?

    • @padraigcronin1172
      @padraigcronin1172 5 лет назад

      The sash may not be offensive in the republic, where the Orange Order is pretty much non-existent, but in Catholic enclaves of the Six Counties is seen as an icon of Unionism. The sash-wearers for their part like to rub it in by marching through said enclaves. And having googled the lyrics of "the sash", I can confirm that the "terror to them Papish boys" reference does appear in at least some versions. As do references to "Aughrim and the Boyne", two battles where the Catholics got the worst of it.

  • @KungfuCow5
    @KungfuCow5 13 лет назад +1

    @LordWellington15 No surrender! "Erm... how about a power-sharing deal?" Errr... yeah, sure why not?

  • @LordWellington15
    @LordWellington15 13 лет назад

    @gossamery So?

  • @DundeeFC1893
    @DundeeFC1893 11 лет назад +1

    Well there's something we have in common. Sure the Ulster Scots did not either.

  • @Stevenbfg
    @Stevenbfg 11 лет назад +1

    If the majority in Northern Ireland eventually do then i'm afraid you're just gonna have to handle democracy. That's something you failed to do when the sheer majority of Irish people wanted independence in the 1920's. You partitioned the country because you didn't want to feel alienated as a protestant minority yet you decided to take two majority catholic nationalists counties, Fermanagh and Tyrone with you. Talk about irony.

    • @kylenoble9110
      @kylenoble9110 5 лет назад

      We took them for the good agriculture

  • @christopherruth5785
    @christopherruth5785 10 лет назад +9

    Ira

  • @williamwarnold6737
    @williamwarnold6737 Год назад

    And of course to complicate matters, if you study history St, Patrick, was actually an English man.👀

  • @raleighburner1589
    @raleighburner1589 5 лет назад

    Tura loo proddy boy's Go to your grave hating

  • @DundeeFC1893
    @DundeeFC1893 11 лет назад +1

    United Kingdom is the 4th most unequal country in the developed world. Isn't that reason enough? A united secular strong Ireland has massive potential. The vote should be passed to all people throughout Ireland, not one province of Ireland. Maybe if by some miracle the majority of the Scots open their eyes and vote yes in the referendum, then that can inspire the people of "Northern" Ireland to do the same.

  • @Bigp6000
    @Bigp6000 15 лет назад

    What the hell is your problem. What did he ever do to you. I mean seriously. did you get dropped on your head as a child or what.

  • @ScottHarbison
    @ScottHarbison 11 лет назад

    amen sister.

  • @KungfuCow5
    @KungfuCow5 13 лет назад

    @LordWellington15 Hahahaaaaaa... No.

  • @seandoherty1239
    @seandoherty1239 11 лет назад +1

    Why is a taig singing a Orange song?

    • @gearoiddom
      @gearoiddom 7 лет назад +2

      Because he was not bitter and the lyrics are A1. Fenian Record Player is another good one from the other angle.

  • @DundeeFC1893
    @DundeeFC1893 11 лет назад

    Of course it is. How can you honestly say inequality isn't something that needs to change? The money men in southern England don't give a flying hoot about the 1/4 Scottish children living in poverty. Politicians in Scotland, who live here, are in a much better position to rule, than the out-of-touch politicians in London. That's not the point though, the point is Ireland here.. whether your people do or not, the people of Ireland are entitled to a vote on their whole island. That's democracy.