If anything Jack had it worse. He thought Tommy was his son and loved him and he got taken away from him and then finds out his real son died instead. That's devastating.
I think people forget, that if you watch it back when she swapped the baby, she was dealing with severe PTSD, and wasn’t really aware or have capacity at the moment that she swapped the babies. Then it was too late, it was already done, and when she went to return the baby, Kat had already found James.
I love that Kat forgave Ronnie. I think that really gave ronnie even a little peace of mind. But she clearly cannot forgive herself. She feels that she deserves to be punished hence why she called the police before even talking to Kat.
3 years is barely anything for kidnapping a child and emotional damage to kat and alfie but I wish they had put Ronnie in a mental facility and getting professional help would have been a good addition to the story
Ronnie's also cursed. Her daughter was killed right in front of her, she had a miscarriage and her son died of a cot death. She only had success with Matthew.
@leeatseaham I think Roxy was upset about Kat saying Ronnie flaunted Tommy in front of her and laughed at her when she didn't. Roxy isn't dening Ronnie has done a terrible thing and needs to take responsiibility for it. She just thought the victim statement was too harshly worded and it is Roxy's sister Kat was talking about - of course Roxy was indignant.
Throughout this whole situation i have to give full marks for Jessie Wallace's(Kat Moon) acting. Kat & Alfie are among the best characters on ''Eastenders"'. Cot death is a terrible , undescribable,experience.
She lost Danielle, then she lost James. And then she lost her life she will never get to see Matthew grow up. Because the producers decided to kill the Mitchell sisters off. They shouldn’t of done.
@Ethaaannnnnn Ronnie and Kat both had baby boy's on New Year's Eve , Ronnie's baby James then died a day later of Cot death , in a moment of madness Ronnie swapped her own dead baby for Kat's healthy boy Tommy. Kat belived that he son had died of cot death when infact Ronnie had him . Ronnie then told Kat and Alfie that she swapped her baby for Kat's and that infact it was her baby boy who died not theirs. Ronnie then went to prizon for 3 years after taking baby Tommy.
This storyline was awful. They could have used the opportunity to explore cot death but instead went beyond what was already harrowing and created a riculous, sensationalised, outlandish story. It felt tacky and cheap.
It’s shock! She didn’t know what she was doing or why she did what she did out of shock and panic and then she realised what she did and didn’t know how to fix it
i acc cant watch anymore jack and ronnie scenes anymore because i literally crying buckets FFS THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT THEIR HAPPY ENDING THAT THEY FUCKING DESERVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This should have happened on the day before Michael moon tricked Ronnie in to going to seey baby Tommy at the park on the day before that happened then Ronnie shey should have been locked up in prison on the day before that happened
+Hayden McCafferty Michael set her up, she seen the baby alone and went to check on him, then Michael called kat and said to her that Ronnie kidnapped him
A Pigeon her baby died of cot death so she swapped her dead baby for Tommy kats baby and put her dead baby in Tommy’s cot to make it look like cot death. I don’t know the run up to this circumstances whether she just went mental or what cos I didn’t watch it fully on this episode.
I think everyone forgot about jacks feelings, he lost a baby too
Yeah but jack wasn't there when baby died it was just Ronnie dealing with it on her own
i think that too
C Clarke it doesn’t matter he still lost his baby boy he still lost James
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If anything Jack had it worse. He thought Tommy was his son and loved him and he got taken away from him and then finds out his real son died instead. That's devastating.
I was so glad Kat stood up and said she forgave her and didn’t want her to go to prison..😭❤️❤️
She shouldn't have because she will be a bitch to her and Alfie later on
I can't help but laugh every time I hear "She done that to us" 😂
It’s nice to see her Kat looking natural for once.
I think it's her best look
Yeah, she needs to tone the makeup down.
is ronnie now samantha womack was she janus
@@davidwacko6623 Yes, the actress got married.
@@clairelally3644 thought so clare nce 1 thanks
They should have never of killed of Ronnie and Roxy. What on earth were they thinking!!
I think people forget, that if you watch it back when she swapped the baby, she was dealing with severe PTSD, and wasn’t really aware or have capacity at the moment that she swapped the babies. Then it was too late, it was already done, and when she went to return the baby, Kat had already found James.
I love that Kat forgave Ronnie. I think that really gave ronnie even a little peace of mind. But she clearly cannot forgive herself. She feels that she deserves to be punished hence why she called the police before even talking to Kat.
"I'm afraid that's not up to you to decide, Mrs Moon". Who on earth IS it up to, then? Kat was the injured party, and she forgave Ronnie!
Commiting a crime is not a crime against a person it's a crime against the king's justice, and it doesn't matter the opinions of the victims.
it should because people have actually killed a child and got less time than Ronnie and the parent of the victim got no say in that either
@@aprilgosa5779 I think it's so it doesn't happen again to someone else
alex jones once you take the matter through the legal system then it becomes a lot more complicated
I'm afraid it's down to the judge.. because it's her court room ..that's a fact
This was so moving! I remember when I first saw this I cried :'(
3 years is barely anything for kidnapping a child and emotional damage to kat and alfie but I wish they had put Ronnie in a mental facility and getting professional help would have been a good addition to the story
The Brannings are cursed with losing children, Jack, Max and Carol..
Ronnie's also cursed. Her daughter was killed right in front of her, she had a miscarriage and her son died of a cot death. She only had success with Matthew.
Derek didnt see his kids grow up either
It's not just them... Jim also lost a son in Derek.
@@MadisonSky1 she didn’t live long after having him either
You forgot their Dad Jim. He lost Derrick aswell.
It relates to when she lost Danielle for almost how many years it's PTSD you can't get angry
@leeatseaham I think Roxy was upset about Kat saying Ronnie flaunted Tommy in front of her and laughed at her when she didn't. Roxy isn't dening Ronnie has done a terrible thing and needs to take responsiibility for it. She just thought the victim statement was too harshly worded and it is Roxy's sister Kat was talking about - of course Roxy was indignant.
I'm love this Ronnie & kat hands on window :(
Lol 'she done that to us' rofl!
It was the most perfectly articulated speech, and then they just added that phrase onto the end to bring everyone back to reality.
say--what--liv
Throughout this whole situation i have to give full marks for Jessie Wallace's(Kat Moon)
acting.
Kat & Alfie are among the best characters on ''Eastenders"'.
Cot death is a terrible , undescribable,experience.
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made me cry:'(
She lost Danielle, then she lost James. And then she lost her life she will never get to see Matthew grow up. Because the producers decided to kill the Mitchell sisters off. They shouldn’t of done.
She had a miscarriage too
@@bernicecobo6508 I know
This is so sweet
It must have taken a lot for Kat to forgive Ronnie.
one of the best scenes
Since 1985 EastEnders Starting
3 years is actually quite a savage sentence to be fair. A year would have sufficed, surely?
Weeping Angel it’s literally kidnap.
She did 1 and a half years. The day and night whatever rule.
Can’t cope with this
@Ethaaannnnnn Ronnie and Kat both had baby boy's on New Year's Eve , Ronnie's baby James then died a day later of Cot death , in a moment of madness Ronnie swapped her own dead baby for Kat's healthy boy Tommy. Kat belived that he son had died of cot death when infact Ronnie had him . Ronnie then told Kat and Alfie that she swapped her baby for Kat's and that infact it was her baby boy who died not theirs. Ronnie then went to prizon for 3 years after taking baby Tommy.
gosh that was beautiful. hand on hand.
I'm just here like, " this scene would be so much better if it was in a big court room"
This is how court rooms in the uk look
This is the magistrate court because she pleaded guilty. If she didn’t plead guilty it possibly might of gone to the Supreme Court ( highest court )
Miah 101 crown court .....the Supreme Court is for conviction appeals
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Miah 101 it would not have gone to supreme. That court is used for appeal cases only. It would be a crown court.
I forgive you
@EastieEnders
yeah because it said on the eastenders website a day before then they removed it :P
Does anyone has eastenders Halloween episode with alfie and kat in it from 2012 please
Not gonna lie...that was emotional 😭
If I was Kat I'd have smacked the heck out of Ronnie's sister how did she think she had the right to get into Kat's face like that 😳🤨
Agree
Seriously Roxy had no right getting in Kats face as I would've ended up smacking her one. This is the only time I didn't like Roxy in.
Leeereeeeeee and I am looking for a few days ago and I am looking for a while back but I have been a while back and I am not able too
7:09
😭😭😭
I aint forgiving no one lol.
Do you have the scenes where roxy goes into labour?
Abduction really
💔💔💔💔💔
Im telling you all these so called Hollywood stars can never ever act like these soap stars..... ever.
And now Phil n Kat r a couple and he is goin be tommy step-dad.
ronnie needs happiness
myrealnameisKristen well she's dead now
She didn’t get it😭😔💔.
This is Eastenders we're talking about here.....
Your own baby dies and you take another person's baby? correct me if im wrong but i was once told it was called stealling!!
Technically its child abduction
This storyline was awful. They could have used the opportunity to explore cot death but instead went beyond what was already harrowing and created a riculous, sensationalised, outlandish story. It felt tacky and cheap.
She done that to us
I like eastenders my favourite person is ronnie and Jack max branning
1:15 it's Guy!!
Ronnie In Court By The Judge
How could ronnie swap her baby , james was still her son even though he died , how could she do that to her own baby son . r.i.p. little james x.
Virginia Neil she snapped her mind wasn't her own I'd still wanna slap er though if I was kat
It’s shock! She didn’t know what she was doing or why she did what she did out of shock and panic and then she realised what she did and didn’t know how to fix it
Its not real xx
This storyline ruined Eastenders. Until September 2017, it was slowly healing and now it had fully healed from this.
you mean, IMPROVED.
She done that. Don't you mean shes done that
i acc cant watch anymore jack and ronnie scenes anymore because i literally crying buckets FFS THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT THEIR HAPPY ENDING THAT THEY FUCKING DESERVED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She did kinda flaunt him...
What I've I Want To Know Is That Why Do People In Court Such As Lawyers Judges & More Where Those Ridiculous Wings Why Why Why
Haleema Azam it's something to do with the monarchy/the Queen. QC means the Queen's Counsel!
Canadian Lawyers do the same thing since Canada is under British Law.
Like both Kat and Ronnie. Hopefully they can move on and make their peace.
+Katie Jane Kat is alright
Kat Look At Ronnie
Why is Ronnie so silent?
Because she has no reason to fight. She knows what she did was wrong, so she is taking her scentence.
because she thought that kat would shout at her
Because she knows what she didn't was completely wrong and to her credit isn't trying to defend it n no amount of shouting will change that
CHRISSIE IS BEYING RELEASE FROM PRISIN ON CHRISTMAS EVE THIS YEAR
I don't know how Roxy could even try and defend Ronnie for what she did.shes lucky kat was so forgiving to her.a don't think I could
This should have happened on the day before Michael moon tricked Ronnie in to going to seey baby Tommy at the park on the day before that happened then Ronnie shey should have been locked up in prison on the day before that happened
Who would forgive someone who took their child
Kelsey Mcdonald I honestly don't think I could find it im my heart to forgive that but fair play to anyone who could they're amazing people
I would
CHRISSIE IS COMING BACK ON CHRISTMAS EVE THIS YEAR
Abraham Ali well that didn’t happen did it lol
Yeah get her out for disruption in court
3 years was harsh
She forgives the woman who put a dead baby in her sons cot and then kidnapped her child? I would have asked for a few more years onto her sentence.
Halle Jenns as bad as it sounds I'd have asked for 5minutes in a room alone with Ronnie ! I'd slap the shit out of her horrible but true.
😂😂😂
I hope that Ronnie and Jack get back together. Feel so sorry for Ronnie, I hate Kat.
Supposing they kill Ronnie in prison??? You know what happens to people that's hurt a child, how they get dealt with😳
She didn’t hurt a child 🙄🙄
Ronnie didn’t hurt her child though James died by cot death , it wasn’t her fault. She took Tommy yes , but she didn’t hurt the child .
" Ronnie, I forgive you " wtf Kat, your just as bonkers as her!
Veronica branning ? I didn’t think they married until
Day before she drowned ? Am I mistaken ??
Bri Morrell she married jack twice
2nd time round
You've obviously not been watching it long enough
@98slbrookes98 I agree.
Kat go down for good
What even happened?
+Hayden McCafferty Michael set her up, she seen the baby alone and went to check on him, then Michael called kat and said to her that Ronnie kidnapped him
A Pigeon that's not why she went to prison.
Marcus T k
A Pigeon her baby died of cot death so she swapped her dead baby for Tommy kats baby and put her dead baby in Tommy’s cot to make it look like cot death. I don’t know the run up to this circumstances whether she just went mental or what cos I didn’t watch it fully on this episode.
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Did they ever do a DNA test?
I'm confused, if she is married to Jack, how did she die on her wedding day?
felicity mcdougle She was married at that time then they divorced and she got remarried to him on new years day, when she died
Mariam Akbar ok thanks
tanner fox
Kat's lawyer is hot!
Ronnie don't do anything wrong
What??
Lynne O'Mahoney she did she took someone baby
@@deanwinchester822 I know she took someone's baby??? I never said she didn't
Why do you feel bad for her she stile kats baby and swapped it her dead one that evil cow should be locked up for a million years
I forgive you