biology exists and all the identity politics is adding nothing but confusion which really benefits no one but the elites. its an energy vampire. it confuses people so that they dont find real happiness/truths in this fucked up world that the elites have engineered
Depends on the context/what you mean by biology. What he was talking about there was the possibility of archetypes being baked into our biology, which isn't such a clear-cut, solved topic as what you are probably imagining under "biology".
He is worng in so many things... Biology tells you what you like and you don't like... Vamen will never like a househusband... That is the reality... No mater how you push it you will be seen as weak if you do that...
@@PAIP_Studio if it’s true that only biology tells you what you like and don’t like then why have beauty standards for both men and women changed so dramatically in the last 100 years? (Which is a relatively short amount of time)
@@YetiCoolBrother They haven't changed they got hyped up... Modern culture is lying to you. Don't see what people say, see what people do. Back when you had arranged marriages and school was not mandatory it was hard for you to know what the Vamen liked... From the 1960s onwards you see guys started becoming more and more muscular to try and attract more and more Vamen. Guys always liked the skinny but curvy shaped girls with long hair. Nothing changed. If I get a maxed out girl, a bomb cell back in time and bring her in front of the Vikings she would become the chiefs wife 100% of the time. If you get a maxed out guy back in time to the same Viking village he will have to compete with the power of other men to get girls back then, and chances are he would die. Looking strong and being strong are two completely different things.
@Rich n Hyde No they don't... They are willing to pay to get a servant that tells them they are beautiful all day long...But they will break laws and travel to the ends of the earth to be with the guy they got the hots for. Good-looking, strong, successful with social statues and/or a bad-boy alpha dude.
@Rich n Hyde Biology is complex... Have you ever heard of the "behavioral sink" experiments in the 1960s? They predicted the rise of Incels, MGTOW, sexual promiscuity and sexual deviancy. It is a sign that the human population has grown too much for it's own good. I suggest you check them out... And yes I am indifferent in the success a woman has. I am attracted to appearance and behavior. Even a relatively ugly girl could be attractive if she behaves a sustain way. But her success and money are of non of my concern. On your first comment I too have a home office for a side gig work and 99.9% of artists will die pure and starving.
Fun fact about "Bad jobs" being paid more: they are being paid good money. This is where the "gender pay gap" comes from (among others). Woman just don't choose these jobs.
another fun fact is the "gender pay gap" is flipped now in ages 20-25 group because these young women are getting into hr positions due to quotas and their degrees
Why do they not choose these jobs? If you can figure out answers to this question, then you know what the gender pay gap means. Don't do what you probably always do and think of a logical response to this question, you have to dig into RESERACH. You know, people actually made studies about this shit.
@@redsun7223 Yes, I can. The gender pay gap proclaims, that on average women are earning less than men in society. If you reduce it to the same job, qualification etc. then there is only a very small pay gap left, but it still exists. What is the problem then? 1. Women choose jobs based on what is expected from then. This is empirically true for men and for women. It's also the reason why there are certain jobs which are completely dominated by one gender. 2. Jobs that are dominated by women, on average, pay less than male dominated jobs. This is because women's work is seen as less in society (the evidence for this hypothesis is easily searchable on google). 3. Conclusion: the gender pay gap exists, not because women simply choose to work in lower paying jobs, but because they are "indoctrinated" and "expected" to work in certain areas that are payed less. These areas are paid less because more women work there. What it doesn't mean: a) that all male jobs are payed good (obviously) b) that men are able to choose their jobs freely (same societal expectations) c) that women or men are not able to find work in places where the other gender dominates (most jobs try to get more people from the other gender to work there)
1:50 there is a reason beauty standards are high for women, and it's not society's or men's fault, well directly at least. 100% of women are competing for the top 10% of men. 17:55 female attraction is non-negotiable 20:40 women do not petition to equalize workplace deaths, of which ~97% are men.
I'm so happy that people are waking up to this, I'm a very progressive person in terms of family values and dating, but I never feel like that's reciprocated in women. Whenever I say something like "I wouldn't mind being a stay at home dad" women around me just seems grossed out, like why in the world would I even think to do that. I would by all means give up my career to be a stay-at-home dad, but women it seems don't like that idea at all. It looks like women expect us to be accepting of their progressive lifestyles, but they don't accept men's progressive lifestyles. I hope this is just my experience and I'll keep looking for the woman of my dreams, but I mean I live in California and a very liberal/progressive area.
@D.K agreed, I personally don't cry, but it's not like am ashamed or anything, I just don't feel the need to ever cry. And no I was never told that boys shouldt cry as a kid, my dad cried when my mom left him, I thought it was perfectly normal. So it goes both ways. Don't shame men for crying, but also if a man doesn't want to cry don't tell him it's because of toxic masculinity.
it's not necessarily progressive to not want to work. so you're saying the woman of your dreams will work and provide for you? of course that's not attractive dude
It is certainly funny how a lot of feminists will talk about how we should stop promoting toxic masculinity, and then use the term incel in the same breath.
@@cadaga920 Ironically the whole "Andy" thing started on youtube. Pretty sure it was first used on Ice Poseidon's RUclips channel when he ran into a stream sniper whos name was Andy but chat nick named him Mexican Andy to differentiate from Andy Milonakis. Since then a bunch of reoccurring guests have used the moniker such as Track suit Andy, Asian Andy and Australian Andy.
@@10jonchannel low iq response, with how popular online dating has become why wouldn't women take advantage of the hundreds of 7/8 out of 10 males literally 1 swipe away ?I mean , who wouldn't ? You getting off /not being on online dating apps has 0 effects on that, and don t even get me started on how society/social norms are changing and approaching women is becoming less and less normal and accepted unless you re very attractive.
@@richardcopersroommate8928 If you have charisma and are willing to put in effort, approaching women to strike up a conversation will put you above any guy on ok Cupid or any mainstream dating app. That is if you’re talking about actual relationships as opposed to hookups. Women aren’t going to look at you and say “ew, get away creep” they may say they are not interested, in which case you tell them to take care and move along. Of course women will be more picky on a dating site where you are actively being compared to other guys more attractive than you. In person, it’s not that simple.
@@Justuas Yes, plenty of unattractive men have attractive girlfriends get this, because of their personality. Something that can’t be judged very well ofd dating app bios.
The whole video was the other guy going "hey I looked into this and it was interesting", Destiny replying "yeah here's what I think and here are some examples", and then the other guy going "yeah I feel the same way, it's interesting".
What is an example of NON-toxic masculinity? The reason people seem to equate the phrase "Toxic masculinity" with "Masculinity is toxic" is because there has been a shift in positive traits that were once considered as standard masculinity i.e. being assertive, being a protector and provider for family, discipline, etc are now considered at least gender neutral, and a victory for femininity when accomplished by women. This is a good thing, but what you have left of the masculine identity is a smattering of negative traits like 'suppressing your emotions' and 'being tough' which are deemed as toxic, and no one is discussing 'toxic femininity' so at the end of the day it seems like just an attack on masculinity itself.
The problem is all the way from birth to graduation, boys are raised entirely by women, in a woman-dominated environment that is designed for women. There are no father figures in the household, no father figures at school. In class, male energy is quashed and suppressed. You must be quiet, pay attention, read, listen... and so on. Young boys have energy, they like to DO things, they like to run around, get dirty, get scruffed up, be competitive, get hands-on with what they are learning. We have designed a school system for women... as shown in the terrible grades, high dropouts and low admission rates. Masculinity is being suppressed, and boys are not learning how to be men, and so become toxic. There is a reason every bully in school either has no father or an abusive father... lack of mentorship. The answer to "toxic masculinity" is not "less masculinity" and feminists want you to believe, it is actually more masculinity.
Its also because the people that use these terms quite clearly have a strong animus against male spaces or really anything that peals to typical male hetero sexuality.
@@watchonjar There’s nothing wrong with having media that appeals to men, the problem is when that media expresses terrible things as good things. Like stalking girls you like, suppressing your emotions being manly, expressing being intelligent as weak, taking advantage of naive women, or indicating that people that you deem abnormal should be mocked and ridiculed. Don’t get me wrong, male fantasies are a good thing, but they should be criticized when they express some of the more extreme things, like exploiting naive women. Women fantasies also have their problems, like normalizing rape, and certainly dehumanizing male archetypes that they don’t see as masculine .
@@dylansevitt The "Toxic Masculinity" referred to by feminists is pretty much anything that doesn't have a benefit to women. Like competitiveness in the workplace would be considered toxic masculinity, due to you suppressing women by outperforming against them. There is actual "Toxic Masculinity" that exists... it usually manifests as bullying which women are not the victims of unless domestically, and hypersexuality would be the other form it manifests as. These can be curved with a male role model as I mentioned above. Masculinity as a whole is not inherently toxic, as feminists like to allude to. The real problem is the emphasis on the toxic side of masculinity, but crickets for any form of toxic feminity. Which I would argue is worse than male forms, mainly because reputation destruction, lying and manipulation (as a few examples) are targeted at both males and females, whereas men's sexuality only targets females and men's aggressiveness overwhelmingly only targets men. In addition, men keep other men in check and stop doing toxic behaviour (in a lot of case), whereas women almost always go unchecked and unchallenged, and often promoted as "Queen" behaviour by other women. If feminists want to have an honest discussion about the negative manifestations of masculinity, they need to be able to address the volatile behaviour women do.
I feel like Destiny may be TOO blank slate-y here sometimes. I think the question of having women in combat military units is probably the question that really focuses down on whether or not one could have a truly agender society. The problem is not only the physical challenge - the fact that the women have to work 3x as hard as the men just to stay in even the middle of the pack - its that the psychology (and I don't think this is something that can simply be "rewritten" with the tools we have available to us) of both men and women significantly reduces the fighting effectiveness of a military unit. Throw even just one or two women into an infantry platoon and the way people bond changes, the priorities of people change, etc. There is a reason that every culture that experiences war learns over time that the most effective fighting force available is small groups of young men who struggle and bond together into a brotherhood. I just don't see how you eliminate gender here. Men and women are simply not the same.
This may sound like a conspiracy but I think the entire concept of "toxic masculinity" is a shit test to see who will cave to the pressure to be less masculine, to weed out the ones who aren't masculine enough to stick to their guns and keep being masculine to a toxic degree, which (whether they admit it or not) they actually find attractive.
Except that they DON'T find that behavior attractive here is why the "women love bad boys" trope exists in reality, and why it APPEARS to be true: There is nothing that dries a pussy faster in this world (besides maybe a hideous face) than PATHETIC INSECURITY (I say pathetic insecurity to differentiate it from the type of insecurity that "bad boy" behaviors are indicative of. It's not perceived as insecurity by anyone even though it objectively is.) Women value straight forwardness and a lack of fear, these are things that "bad boys" excel in. Try this in your dating life: take care of your looks first and foremost (most important), then behave in a STRAIGHTFORWARD, non-doormat manner where you set boundaries, make your intentions clear and known, never simp and don't shy away from confrontation in a respectful manner. Basically adopting all the positive "bad boy" traits without the negative ones. You will quickly find that you will outdo any "bad boy" in the dating/casual sex world unless he's significantly better looking than you. When you think of a bad boy, you're never imagining an ugly guy, and neither are women. That should tell you all you need to know. Being able to get away with something =\= it's better to act that way
its real but this retarded femcels are pushing it into every single male thought proccess. For me victims of toxic masculinity are probably in jail homless or beat women on regular bases. For me i had the some thought process as you since i never understood it from personal experience beacuse ye my dad told me not to cry but he didnt say to me "dont cry dont be a beta" he said dont cry try to find a solution to your problems and so on.
RE: the house husband thing, check out this manga/anime called The Way of the Househusband. It's about an ex yakuza boss who decides to be a househusband for his rich wife
Excellent video, and at the same time, kinda frustrating that I wasn't able to hear this message, 3-4 years ago when I was inching into these mgtow videos (because it just wasn't there then). I never got very far into it, and I never felt like I hated women- I just had a ton of sympathy for guys who just didn't want to date and/or felt that it wasn't worth the trouble, due to bad experiences....(and still do, I just have more hope and have seen success, by being more positive/optimistic in my outlook towards dating/women) This sympathizes exactly with those feelings, and instead of bringing me a bit more right- I would have been pulled to the left much quicker, if I had heard these messages from left-leaning online personalities at the time... Because yeah, literally all I heard about was (in short) "Men are problematic, have privilege, and don't experience any real problems like Women do...." . All I needed was some pushback to recognize that we have done so much female empowerment in the modern age, but now we ARE in fact swinging the pendulum back the other way towards MUCH more in favor for Women, and there needs to be some thought on how to push a new masculinity and have that be the focus, vs *only* saying what *not* to do!
It's kind of messed up when you think about how studios try to balance progressive change with regressive societal norms. Think of all the badass, awesome female characters we've seen in movies in the past ten years. The ones designed to help represent women's empowerment and promote a feminist message. Now how many of them are unattractive? edit for context: I'm making the point that studios will feign support for progressive female characters, but will always go out of their way to make them sexy to avoid alienating guys
not one of them is unattractive. But that is just my opinion. But then again, most film directors are old fat white men. I do not like movies and dont watch them in general.
Yeah this is kind of a joke. The dudes in the same roles are all attractive because, guess what, it's Hollywood and people like looking at attractive people.
@Mitch Lang You've missed the context completely. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in acting woke to appear like you support female empowerment while simultaneously moulding them for the maximum desirability. It would be like if every gay pride movie had all their main characters be super effeminate
The thing is that women have achieved equality when you average over the whole of society. What they see is that they're not represented in the top, what they ignore is that they're also not represented in the bottom. The problem is that society considers its simpler functions not as respectable as its functions that are only suited to the most exceptional of people.
@@epithymbria It doesn't matter if there's "plenty of women" homeless. There are also "plenty of" women in powerful positions. The debate exists because of representations. Men are over represented at the top. They are also over represented at the bottom. Most homeless, suicides, prisoners, dead/injured at work, lonely people, drop out of school, homicide victims... they are mostly men. So men are at the top but they're also at the bottom. And society is bottom heavy, there's more men at the bottom than there are men at the top. Women live relatively "stable" (for lack of a better word) lives.
It's so annoying when people erase their comment bc it makes a bad impression. What about the internet makes people think everything must look perfect?
Don’t think so. It’s not really about representation about people in the top, although that alone is still indicative of inequality against Women whether you like it or not given historical context. Women are still getting sexually trafficked way more than men, have higher depression rates, get stalked way more, aren’t takened as seriusly, women are believed less in compared to men in regards to rape. Spend more hours raising kids compared to men. All of these are factually true. This isnt women vs men so don’t waste my time giving stats about men I already agree with. Representation is important because it has help encourage society to become, so it would be the benefit of all society to get more women in power. Are you really going to say that white men on average don’t live stable lives atleast compared to black women
Wonder Cat , we could endlessly argue about who gets victimized most in what way, but that has absolutely nothing to do with "representation" in society's hierarchy, since criminal activities take place outside of the authority of society. The inequality you perceive is a consequence of either choices, selection bias, propagandizing or simple misconceptions rather than oppression/discrimination. And using women of color as some rhetorical shield is pretty disgusting, especially as feminism has a long history of drawing attention away from racism and poverty to serve its own purposes.
This is perhaps my favorite arc. Time to really piss off literally everyone since people are affected either directly or indirectly by dating and its associated crappy shit.
If creators are ever confused about a good male role model. They gotta take notes from Iroh from Avatar: TLA. That guy is the modern version of a chad.
All women are stunningly beautiful with the amount of makeup and editing done on them for movies. Movies are not an accurate portrayal of real life and a horrible thing to use as an example. Women are far more picky when it comes to standards of men they’re attracted to than men are, this is a fact and there’s plenty of studies in dating apps to prove this. Also many of these “average” me you talk about in movies are only average to you because you don’t understand what women are really attracted. I’d be willing to bet those “average” looking men in movies are quite a bit better looking than the “average” man in the real world.
It sounds funny and ridiculous...agreed. However, the context is in making fun of the mgtow/incel community making prescriptive statements based on the premise that these things are *hardwired biologically* and this is obviously not true, but neither is *it is entirely a social construct*- which would be a common talking point for ideologically pure lefties. The common sense position is, that yes of course there are biological causes, but that doesn't mean it is something we can't shift progressively over time. In fact, it is what we have done for all of human history! Just 50-60 years ago, things were very much different.. As Destiny said in his previous video (I believe) "Ironically, it is because of Feminism that Tomi Lahren is able to work a high paying, and successful career".
@@caseypdx503 it's not as different as you think, at least for the majority of people, most women like to do women things and be women and men too, most men like to do typically male things. Ironically forcing it to be otherwise or society to work in a way that is against that rather than parallel to it is akin to the anti gay or anti trans therapy that leftists usually rail against. The left celebrates change but most also codemn traditional values. Why can't we have both?
@@DoubleO88 Yeah, I can sympathize here...never said we can't do both, rather I advocate for it. Also, consider this- what would be common traditional values in modern america- wouldn't even necessarily include Women being *exclusively* house wives, because there are still plenty more traditional values to be used in relationships/marriages, whereas *very left* people in america would be going even further- the overton window keeps moving, but that doesn't mean that the more moderate (always existing) side will be gone, nor does it mean that it should be condemned. Same goes the other way. I think you can agree here? This is where we can have both and not shit on anyone for their choices.
This is probably one of my favourite Destiny videos (Part 1 as well.) I am actually going to start going through a lot of media I grew up with or surround myself with to see what type of male or female rolemodels there are.
@@xaviersgiantego1453 I have an obsession with nostalgia and media I grew up with so finding any excuse to re-evaluate them through a new lens is nice.
Only thing I don't agree with is the whole "You have to love yourself before someone else can love you" because there are people with low sense of self worth and absolutely hate themselves but have people flocking to them in droves just to love them, why? Because they are attractive. We make attraction more complex than it really is.
How can someone say that "a good example for beauty standard is women in media" and also say that "any moderately attractive woman would have someone wanting to take care of her"? I agree with the second statement, but the first one is absolutely ridiculous. Celebrities are not the standard of beauty, they represent the unachievable peak of beauty. If women suddenly stopped taking as much care of themselves as they so obsessively do every day, their desirability would definitely lower, but a) they would not feel as much pressure, and b) they would have no problem finding a partner. EDIT: I also have another problem with a point he makes further into the video, which is a direct contradiction with what he says in another debate.. (specifically, the debate about a law which he argued was racist in intent, because it made voting difficult for black people.) In that debate, the other person claims that the law isn't racist, because it affects more white people than black people. To that, destiny responds that, in perspective, a law that affects 100% of the black community and only 10-20% of the white community, can still be considered racist.. and I agree. Now, however, he makes the point that women don't have a problem with being taken care of, but also that it's difficult to know when they are taken seriously when they are successful in their career, or if people want to fuck them. I'd point that argument back to him, and say that the two are not comparable. The number of women who aren't taken seriously is, of course, smaller than the general female population, and for that reason, the two statements are incomparable.
The beauty standard i think here refers to the standard for defining beauty and not the average attractive person. I don't think Destiny meant that Actresses and Models are your average representation of beautiful people but rather that looking how attractive people are portrayed in the media shows a lot about what's desirable, looks-wise in specific time frame in a certain society. Looking at an average attractive person wouldn't tell us all that we need to know about societal shifts and trends, like a processed marketed celebrity would look like. Furthermore, I disagree that celebrities are the unachievable peak of beauty, simply because not every famous person is known for their looks alone in most cases. Even models need some level of hard work and dedication to maintain themselves in some way, shape or form. I do agree, however, that the general expectations for women, especially, have shot up in the last years and it's manifesting in very unhealthy ways in our society.
@D.K dunno really. the only time I saw him was on that podcast where destiny droppde in and ahrelevant had kinda muted and was interacting with his stream. just memeing and goofin, not participating. gave me the impression he was someone like greek, who is always like that in the most obnoxious way possible.
You targeting JRPGs as a representation of Japanese culture would be like me targeting the 70 years of writers worshiping intelligence in comics as a representation of American society. Speaking of which, you do realize those same comics with those same superheros who are all mega brilliant scientists or engineers are nearly all that's been on TV for the last two decades, right?
I agree with the hyper-masculinity push, but I will point out that being intelligent is only nerdy and lame, if it's in the context of a hobby or personal enjoyment. If a man uses his nerdy intelligence to make lots of money, suddenly and magically it becomes very masculine and very attractive.
"Two sides to this thing, you never see attractive women on the street, but they never know if they're being taken seriously." Homelessness vs being taken seriously because you're too attractive. Lol... One side seems a little heavier.
The thing is : what other comparison can be made here ? Being homeless is shittier than most things women go through. There's no good comparison, and I think this one is probably the best to make his point.
Gender roles can't be easily flipped. Males and females want fundamentally different things from a mate. Males want a female that will produce healthy offspring. Thats why they go for young fit women. A 35 year old female engineer is less likely to produce healthy offspring than a 20 year old fitness instructor. Conversely females want males that will keep them and their offspring safe, whether from the elements, predators, or other males. Predators and rivals are almost non-existent in civilized society so most of the focus is on providing shelter and comfort but don't think for a second that women don't consider what would happen in an emergency. As unlikely as it is its not a comfortable feeling to know your man isn't a fighter, and if you run into a man who is he can knock him out and take what he wants from you.
cute but nah women are very very very looks focused, especially when young but even when older too. they want all the things you want for the same reasons, better genetics for better offspring. women of all ages like young prettyboys, it's a total myth that they don't. The main important thing for getting women is your face, there's a reason the biggest meme of people who roid up to get big is that they expect female attention but only end up getting male attention, understand that you're doing all that stuff for MEN before you waste your time, know what you're getting yourself into. Being LEAN is a different story because it makes your face look better, that's a necessity. you're not entirely wrong but you failed to realize that a woman's PROVIDER instincts and her MATE instincts are completely and totally separate
Reasonableness is a rare quality. But it's valuable in today's extreme society. Great video. I do think that we are not able to communicate ideas without feeling personally attacked. Sometimes we just need to listen to other side to get perspective. This is why I follow channels that are right and left winged. I follow redpill males as well as pinkpill females. There's always one side, another side, and then the truth. Usually the truth lies somewhere in between that.
why are they writing jordan peterson off as an incel channel? from what i've seen he justs tells people how to become better people, regardless of gender
I think it's just generally hard to speak about that because it's basically two biggest communities going at each other and both sides did/do bad shit, but no one wants to admit their side or wants to be the better side.
Yeah except one of them is an academic discipline endorsed by governments with massive capital passing through it and its affiliate activist causes. The other is constantly derided, smeared, blacklisted, deplatformed, and generally considered to be untouchable from a social or career standpoint.
as someone who has been homeless for almost 2 years a couple years ago, the only homeless women that sleep outside are either crazy, old, or both. Thats not me being a sexist, thats me never having seen them, and talking to homeless people and joking about it back then. Most homeless people sleeping outside are either young guys "stuck in the middle of a hard spot" and its quite uplifting seeing them disappear after a while as they get their life back together, or its people that just "gave up" on civilisation or are crazy.
Yes I have asymmetry and I cannot gym max anymore. Antidepressants damaged my testosterone levels. I cannot build muscle anymore I have erectile dysfunction causes from antidepressants toxicity. I'm poor limited income no car difficultes working. I am screwed. Every chick is scared of me. Regardless of dress code bathing. The only logical conclusion is it's my looks
The protagonist from Kim Stanley Robinson's books are exactly what is needed to push the nuance you're advocating for. A great example is Charlie Quibler from the Science in the Capital trilogy. He's a stay-at-home dad who also acts as science policy advisor to a senator.
That "intelligence as not a trait of men" example is interesting. I viewed the male representation in media in a different way. It always seemed to me that men are presented as someone "who can do it all." James Bond may be the clearest example, but overall it seemed to me that we place an importance on men being able to deal with all manner of stuff adequately, and that THAT was the problem.
@5:41 Oh boo hoo. A lot of the time it's the woman's fault for trying that crap on hook up sites or apps. They idiotically put that they're not looking for a hookup on these obvious hookup sites/apps and they never learn. Even for those that somehow are only getting guys that bail after sex it's not bad either, because at least they're getting something consistently.
This guy is super cool, I hope destiny has him on again to talk about this kinda stuff, because as a (more or less) aimless young man it's kind of shitty how I end up feeling about my life prospects sometimes, especially because I'm aware of my privilege's and that I can't just become a woman hating incel and all that stuff. We need more positive male role models that talk about issues men face while also understanding and respecting the stuff those kinds of figures often ignore
I remember a lot of formerly homeless women reporting that they had to avoid men who take them in as a “project” and had off intentions so there is a bit more nuance to it. It really fucking sucks that there isn’t more institutions and awareness in place for actually dealing with men’s issues
With regard to the hard/dangerous jobs, and advocating that they be paid more rather than advocating gender parity in who does them... this runs into a very big problem. Because those jobs ARE already paid more for being harder and more dangerous. Easier and safer jobs pay less. Women choose the easier and safer jobs. Then they complain of a pay gap, NOT taking into account such things as... how safe or dangerous the job is (nor how many hours are required, nor the skill or education required), and then they demand to be paid just as much for the safe jobs as men get paid for the dangerous ones, or else claim it is discrimination. See the problem?
@@hanalala3164 We are talking amongst the blue collar jobs. Or jobs that don't necessarily require a professional degree. And the vast majority of jobs fall into that category. Looking at top level professional jobs is looking at an entirely different category. But even within that category then, when you look at number of years on the job and hours put in per week, and adjust accordingly for the statistics, the alleged gender pay disparity disappears, or even flips in the other direction. Ultimately, you need to be sure you compare the proper things to have a meaningful analysis. If I go out and work a single hour a week, but get paid 100 dollars an hour, so I make 100 dollars, and a woman goes out and works 40 hours a week for 10 dollars an hour, making 400 dollars, should I cry foul and say there was gender discrimination against ME because, look at that HUGE pay gap, she got paid 4 times what I got paid?
1:39 Fellow incels you heard it here for the debate lord himself, "women are cringe". Praise our new founded lord as he will guide us to the path of enlightenment.
One movie that had the typical "Basic Guy, Supermodel Girl" that actually handled it kind of well was "She's Out of My League". It wasn't a good movie, but I felt the overall message of it was pretty good. The girl wants to date a guy who isn't just some rich Chad, and the guy thinks he's just some looser, so when she shows interest in him he has this constant self-deprecation because he thinks that she's too good for him and that her showing interest in him must be some cruel joke or her just wanting a looser instead of a Chad, which strains their relationship. The ultimate point of the movie is that you have to love and appreciate yourself in order to do the same for another. Again, it's just a crappy romcom, but I enjoyed the message.
Very interesting point about Japanese media (JRPGs) presenting intelligence not as a purely feminine trait. Western entertainment media could benefit from such a shift.
15:55 I understand what Destiny is hinting, but to be honest it's more the fact that in Japanese media is very common that the protagonist has to be skilled in everything a awesome. Because in Japanese media totally the same archetypes like geeky guy and shit. I feel like it's more of a japanese videogame trope.
There are definitely more "feminine" men in anime and the like. You don't see characters like Gon, L, Tanjirou or Deku in American media. Though gender roles are much more prevalent in Japan, but that's a completely different topic.
"maybe we cannot know because of unethical experiments" that is where math comes in, isolation of variables. You don't need to cut a someone's heart out of their chest to prove they have one. That's just functional fixedness with the operation of "experiment" to begin with.
He talks a decent amount about dating issues, try looking under that... also he’s had arguments about feminism and women’s issues, (like with that nut job Aussie psych student).
I wish they brought up women seeking other womens validation and how the judgement of a womans beauty is mainly by other women. As men, who do judge a woman by their beauty, is not as nearly as harsh as other women.
Yes. Women are more interested in what other women want (including wanting men chosen by other women) instead of being interested in what men want. That's the direct result of women being the sexual selectors of species.
What if women are competing against each other? One woman suggests that all women stop wearing makeup for a week. What do you believe the result of that will be?
Note to editors, rape is not a word that should be censored, makes conversations confusing. Glad to see Destiny talking to really great people like Ahrelevant and Dpak.
@Jack Dorsen Yikes man, I love how you are making these assumptions with literally no knowledge of their personal life. Seems like you are projecting a lot of your own personal insecurities here man. That's pretty beta of you. :)
17:42 Thing about that is; its a bit of a misnomer to say that women are "home caretakers" in that traditionally the house is their domain and they take care of it, because traditionally speaking women only take care of certain aspects of the home; namely taking care of the kids(if they even have any), doing dishes, laundry, cooking, cleaning, and gardening. men traditionally pay the bills, but also traditionally take care of stuff around the house too; mowing the lawn, trimming tree limbs, doing electrical work(from as simple as a lightbulb going out, to an outlet stopped working to a blown fuse), drywall work(like patching holes n stuff), taking care of plumbing issues (clogged toilets, honey i dropped my ring in the kitchen sink!), taking care of rodents (not just mice but moles in the back yard are annoying, not to mention raccoons), dealing with both trash and lawn waste (lawn trimmings, dirt, branches, leaves), moving and assembling heavy furniture, roof tiling, appliance maintenance and shoveling the snow. All traditionally male tasks. As far as "crossover" goes, at best my wife may pull some weeds, and take out the trash when I forget to. As far as a crossover in her stuff I may sweep and mop, and do a laundry load every once in a blue moon. So if a man is to be a househusband, he has to do all the male tasks on this list AND the women list, and the only load thats being taken off his back is paying all the bills. Nobody is talking about how women should take over any labor-intensive tasks that men traditionally are assigned to do. They only ever talk about taking over tasks that are relatively safe, comes with power, or are profitable. No feminist is asking for more women being crab fisherwomen, oil refinery workers, or coal miners. It's always safe, air-conditioned offices; and this bias shows up even in something like trading domestic duties as I'm highlighting here. Even if you claim nobody should have to work these dangerous jobs, in reality, many people do and they're mostly men, and women will never garner the level of respect that men get if they don't shed their pound of flesh the same way men do. And that's not even covering how some women won't respect their husband if he's not making more money than her, so there's that too!
This gives me hope. That there are people who care about seeing both sides of an argument in left vs right. That are disappointed in the mass amounts of people who seem to hate upon the other side without understanding them. And that want to make progress on this major issue of individuals unable to see eye to eye.
Anyways, um... I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that
It's strange to me because those love movies are aiming for female audiences no? So I don't quite get why the dude is an average dude and the woman is a dime.
Because it’s funny and people don’t care how guys look as much. Women like to see pretty women as well. It’s aspirational. That’s why Victoria’s Secret models don’t look average.
Women do not care about your physical appearance so far as it won't actively repulse them, sure they like hot guys, but guys being hot is not as important as you'd think for them.
@A Friendly Hobo in terms of social success maybe, but not really in terms of looks, this is pretty anecdotal but i generally see about as many ugly dudes with hot gfs as the other way around, though the majority of couples tend to be rather equal appearance-wise from my experience
These "progressive" discussions keep leaving me with the impression that people like Destiny just want everybody else to change according to his specific worldview instead of following their own preferences. He's also weirdly hypocritical about it. For example: why have the belief that women should be into more feminine traits in men across society, but at the same time hate on Sykkuno for being a weird anime femboy that women like?
Actually there's a pretty cute homeless girl in, my town around her late 20s. I think tho her whole family are "professional" beggers and don't live in the streets (i'm not condamning them btw, still feel like a pretty shit gig to sit on concrete in rags for 16heures a day.
You know why women are only being judged based on how atractive they are? because their body, is all they have to offer nowadays. The average woman can't cook or clean, do laundry, and other household chores, lacks basic nurturing skills. People can deny this all they want, but most men don't actually give a shit about a woman's phd or her law degree and how sucessful she is in her career. So, at the end of the day, why should a guy bother, when the average woman can't even fry an egg anymore.
As a christian, marriage and kids is definitely in my plans, so I am not even really a fan of mgtow and so called "incels". I am just describing what i see as a big part of the problem and also the reason why these male groups exist.
There are plenty of women out there who are still willing to settle down and raise a family. These types of women aren't even that uncommon. Also, marry someone who gets a well-paying degree so that they can join the workforce years after your kids are grown up. It's a win-win.
Agreed. Even "TradCon" chicks are turning out to be hypergamous leftist sloots that refuse to do anything productive. Feminism has destroyed everything for millennials and zoomers. The damage is already horribly bad, but wait until Gen Alpha and Beta reach dating ages. If you thought the nosedive was painful now, wait until they're the majority. Amazing!
@@CR33SIVE How is this incel shit? I am talking about averages here, not even an overwelming majority and definitely not all women lol. If this relates to incel talking points, then so be it. It's simply just true. Men share the blame too, btw. I don't think incels would like to hear what i have to say about the average man nowadays.
yeah, the problem is that women are in control of the incentive structure determining larger social phenomena such as norms concerning gendered behavior. you are literally doing yourself harm if you steer too far away from traditional masculinity (in general, there are of course specific social communities where this is not the case). this sucks because, for example, I am not a "masculine" man by nature, and by virtue of that my sexual and romantic opportunities are greatly hindered despite me being quite good-looking. basically, the few times I have gotten laid have been because I have larped as a masculine guy (even toxically so, due to being intoxicated by alcohol). but from a personal perspective, this doesn't really concern me because I am probably going to be quite successful in terms of making money and having an acceptable status in the near future, which means that my romantic and sexual opportunities are going to increase significantly, although this just means that I am implementing the masculine ideal women find attractive (by making money).
> Engineering men looking for housewives instead of engineering women. Maybe they dont feel threatened, maybe 2 engineers make terrible parents and home keepers. Many people are attracted to partners that round them out and cover for their weaknesses.
Dude I’m so tired of people just being so afraid to take on responsibility and become an adult. We all just want to be sus gamers and take on zero responsibility these days
If someone risks "sounding very traditionalist and cringe" when saying that biology exists, the world is too far gone and I want to get out
biology exists and all the identity politics is adding nothing but confusion which really benefits no one but the elites. its an energy vampire. it confuses people so that they dont find real happiness/truths in this fucked up world that the elites have engineered
Depends on how you say it and when. It depends on the context. If my biology professor says that its different than if Ben Shapiro does.
He risks that because people like Cindy L exist.
Depends on the context/what you mean by biology.
What he was talking about there was the possibility of archetypes being baked into our biology, which isn't such a clear-cut, solved topic as what you are probably imagining under "biology".
@@TheLastScoot how am i wrong?
As destiny jumps off the rooftop with the exaggerated swagger of a blackpill
He is worng in so many things... Biology tells you what you like and you don't like...
Vamen will never like a househusband... That is the reality... No mater how you push it you will be seen as weak if you do that...
@@PAIP_Studio if it’s true that only biology tells you what you like and don’t like then why have beauty standards for both men and women changed so dramatically in the last 100 years? (Which is a relatively short amount of time)
@@YetiCoolBrother They haven't changed they got hyped up... Modern culture is lying to you. Don't see what people say, see what people do. Back when you had arranged marriages and school was not mandatory it was hard for you to know what the Vamen liked... From the 1960s onwards you see guys started becoming more and more muscular to try and attract more and more Vamen. Guys always liked the skinny but curvy shaped girls with long hair. Nothing changed.
If I get a maxed out girl, a bomb cell back in time and bring her in front of the Vikings she would become the chiefs wife 100% of the time. If you get a maxed out guy back in time to the same Viking village he will have to compete with the power of other men to get girls back then, and chances are he would die. Looking strong and being strong are two completely different things.
@Rich n Hyde No they don't... They are willing to pay to get a servant that tells them they are beautiful all day long...But they will break laws and travel to the ends of the earth to be with the guy they got the hots for. Good-looking, strong, successful with social statues and/or a bad-boy alpha dude.
@Rich n Hyde Biology is complex... Have you ever heard of the "behavioral sink" experiments in the 1960s? They predicted the rise of Incels, MGTOW, sexual promiscuity and sexual deviancy. It is a sign that the human population has grown too much for it's own good. I suggest you check them out...
And yes I am indifferent in the success a woman has. I am attracted to appearance and behavior. Even a relatively ugly girl could be attractive if she behaves a sustain way. But her success and money are of non of my concern.
On your first comment I too have a home office for a side gig work and 99.9% of artists will die pure and starving.
I, too, am African American-pilled.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes we have to stop this
@@johnnycash5684 but do we.. do we though..
I voted for Biden so me too
@@johnnycash5684 i hurt myself today...
You mean blacked?
I too am exaggerated swagger pilled
Is "exaggerated swagger" a new meme?
@@Fearcely It's from GameSpot.
*exaggerated swagger of a black pill.
@CJED on my way sorry to bother you
are you sure he is black?
Fun fact about "Bad jobs" being paid more: they are being paid good money. This is where the "gender pay gap" comes from (among others). Woman just don't choose these jobs.
another fun fact is the "gender pay gap" is flipped now in ages 20-25 group because these young women are getting into hr positions due to quotas and their degrees
Why do they not choose these jobs? If you can figure out answers to this question, then you know what the gender pay gap means.
Don't do what you probably always do and think of a logical response to this question, you have to dig into RESERACH.
You know, people actually made studies about this shit.
@@xXWorldgamefunXx Can you elaborate
@@redsun7223 Yes, I can.
The gender pay gap proclaims, that on average women are earning less than men in society.
If you reduce it to the same job, qualification etc. then there is only a very small pay gap left, but it still exists.
What is the problem then?
1. Women choose jobs based on what is expected from then. This is empirically true for men and for women.
It's also the reason why there are certain jobs which are completely dominated by one gender.
2. Jobs that are dominated by women, on average, pay less than male dominated jobs.
This is because women's work is seen as less in society (the evidence for this hypothesis is easily searchable on google).
3. Conclusion: the gender pay gap exists, not because women simply choose to work in lower paying jobs, but because they are "indoctrinated" and "expected" to work in certain areas that are payed less. These areas are paid less because more women work there.
What it doesn't mean:
a) that all male jobs are payed good (obviously)
b) that men are able to choose their jobs freely (same societal expectations)
c) that women or men are not able to find work in places where the other gender dominates (most jobs try to get more people from the other gender to work there)
@@xXWorldgamefunXx thanks for the explanation
1:50 there is a reason beauty standards are high for women, and it's not society's or men's fault, well directly at least. 100% of women are competing for the top 10% of men.
17:55 female attraction is non-negotiable
20:40 women do not petition to equalize workplace deaths, of which ~97% are men.
Good points, thank you
Even good looking guys only get to choose very ugly women if they aren't rich.
Ready for the incel arc BOIIIS!
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LET'S GO
@A Friendly Hobo Hey, stop misusing!Train hates it when people do this.
@@hexenringe9030 Haters gonna hate, SquadW
It's more MIGTOW than incel.why do I know the difference?!
I'm so happy that people are waking up to this, I'm a very progressive person in terms of family values and dating, but I never feel like that's reciprocated in women. Whenever I say something like "I wouldn't mind being a stay at home dad" women around me just seems grossed out, like why in the world would I even think to do that. I would by all means give up my career to be a stay-at-home dad, but women it seems don't like that idea at all. It looks like women expect us to be accepting of their progressive lifestyles, but they don't accept men's progressive lifestyles. I hope this is just my experience and I'll keep looking for the woman of my dreams, but I mean I live in California and a very liberal/progressive area.
@D.K agreed, I personally don't cry, but it's not like am ashamed or anything, I just don't feel the need to ever cry. And no I was never told that boys shouldt cry as a kid, my dad cried when my mom left him, I thought it was perfectly normal. So it goes both ways. Don't shame men for crying, but also if a man doesn't want to cry don't tell him it's because of toxic masculinity.
@D.K These girls are not progressive on gender related issues then.
Simple as that.
it's not necessarily progressive to not want to work. so you're saying the woman of your dreams will work and provide for you? of course that's not attractive dude
hey lol ;)
@D.K um...hey lol ;)
Destiny’s take on how men value affirmation from women has really made me feel different about how we use “incel” as a pejorative.
It is certainly funny how a lot of feminists will talk about how we should stop promoting toxic masculinity, and then use the term incel in the same breath.
Extremely true
@@rutgerhauser2377 Feminists kinda poison the water by not pointing out positivity masculinity.
We? You mean you. Most people don't use the word incel at all, let alone as a pejorative.
@@Breadbored. we mean the tiny subset of internet political nerds not real life
This is a Chad comment section only.
Then you shouldn’t be here
@@beastmodecowboy209 Gottem
I'm an omega male
Says the edge lord dorkus
@@sugarcravings1797 No don't make fun, we're not like betas.
Last time I was this early destiny still debated.
did you not see tim pool or todays stream lol
@@leajey4279 i think his a youtube andy
@@gmalyee1616 you realize that twitch lingo is lost on them right
@@cadaga920 Ironically the whole "Andy" thing started on youtube. Pretty sure it was first used on Ice Poseidon's RUclips channel when he ran into a stream sniper whos name was Andy but chat nick named him Mexican Andy to differentiate from Andy Milonakis. Since then a bunch of reoccurring guests have used the moniker such as Track suit Andy, Asian Andy and Australian Andy.
@@hanksenpai9125 That is true but twitch adopted it so it's pretty much been twitch lingo for years now
Problem is a 7/8 out of 10 is considered average attractiveness to women according to the OkCupid study
Answer? Probably, get off Okay Cupid
@@10jonchannel low iq response, with how popular online dating has become why wouldn't women take advantage of the hundreds of 7/8 out of 10 males literally 1 swipe away ?I mean , who wouldn't ?
You getting off /not being on online dating apps has 0 effects on that, and don t even get me started on how society/social norms are changing and approaching women is becoming less and less normal and accepted unless you re very attractive.
@@richardcopersroommate8928 If you have charisma and are willing to put in effort, approaching women to strike up a conversation will put you above any guy on ok Cupid or any mainstream dating app. That is if you’re talking about actual relationships as opposed to hookups. Women aren’t going to look at you and say “ew, get away creep” they may say they are not interested, in which case you tell them to take care and move along. Of course women will be more picky on a dating site where you are actively being compared to other guys more attractive than you. In person, it’s not that simple.
@@10jonchannel just cold approach bro. That'll do well with your average looks or less
@@Justuas Yes, plenty of unattractive men have attractive girlfriends get this, because of their personality. Something that can’t be judged very well ofd dating app bios.
The whole video was the other guy going "hey I looked into this and it was interesting", Destiny replying "yeah here's what I think and here are some examples", and then the other guy going "yeah I feel the same way, it's interesting".
very wholesome
Welcome to conversation 101!
Luckily, not all conversations will be like this, so don't fret 😂
What is an example of NON-toxic masculinity? The reason people seem to equate the phrase "Toxic masculinity" with "Masculinity is toxic" is because there has been a shift in positive traits that were once considered as standard masculinity i.e. being assertive, being a protector and provider for family, discipline, etc are now considered at least gender neutral, and a victory for femininity when accomplished by women. This is a good thing, but what you have left of the masculine identity is a smattering of negative traits like 'suppressing your emotions' and 'being tough' which are deemed as toxic, and no one is discussing 'toxic femininity' so at the end of the day it seems like just an attack on masculinity itself.
The problem is all the way from birth to graduation, boys are raised entirely by women, in a woman-dominated environment that is designed for women. There are no father figures in the household, no father figures at school. In class, male energy is quashed and suppressed. You must be quiet, pay attention, read, listen... and so on. Young boys have energy, they like to DO things, they like to run around, get dirty, get scruffed up, be competitive, get hands-on with what they are learning. We have designed a school system for women... as shown in the terrible grades, high dropouts and low admission rates. Masculinity is being suppressed, and boys are not learning how to be men, and so become toxic. There is a reason every bully in school either has no father or an abusive father... lack of mentorship. The answer to "toxic masculinity" is not "less masculinity" and feminists want you to believe, it is actually more masculinity.
Its also because the people that use these terms quite clearly have a strong animus against male spaces or really anything that peals to typical male hetero sexuality.
example of non toxic masculinity- being called Dave, preferring NBA over the WNBA , preferring sport movies over over romantic comedies...
@@watchonjar There’s nothing wrong with having media that appeals to men, the problem is when that media expresses terrible things as good things. Like stalking girls you like, suppressing your emotions being manly, expressing being intelligent as weak, taking advantage of naive women, or indicating that people that you deem abnormal should be mocked and ridiculed. Don’t get me wrong, male fantasies are a good thing, but they should be criticized when they express some of the more extreme things, like exploiting naive women. Women fantasies also have their problems, like normalizing rape, and certainly dehumanizing male archetypes that they don’t see as masculine .
@@dylansevitt The "Toxic Masculinity" referred to by feminists is pretty much anything that doesn't have a benefit to women. Like competitiveness in the workplace would be considered toxic masculinity, due to you suppressing women by outperforming against them. There is actual "Toxic Masculinity" that exists... it usually manifests as bullying which women are not the victims of unless domestically, and hypersexuality would be the other form it manifests as. These can be curved with a male role model as I mentioned above. Masculinity as a whole is not inherently toxic, as feminists like to allude to. The real problem is the emphasis on the toxic side of masculinity, but crickets for any form of toxic feminity. Which I would argue is worse than male forms, mainly because reputation destruction, lying and manipulation (as a few examples) are targeted at both males and females, whereas men's sexuality only targets females and men's aggressiveness overwhelmingly only targets men. In addition, men keep other men in check and stop doing toxic behaviour (in a lot of case), whereas women almost always go unchecked and unchallenged, and often promoted as "Queen" behaviour by other women. If feminists want to have an honest discussion about the negative manifestations of masculinity, they need to be able to address the volatile behaviour women do.
I feel like Destiny may be TOO blank slate-y here sometimes. I think the question of having women in combat military units is probably the question that really focuses down on whether or not one could have a truly agender society. The problem is not only the physical challenge - the fact that the women have to work 3x as hard as the men just to stay in even the middle of the pack - its that the psychology (and I don't think this is something that can simply be "rewritten" with the tools we have available to us) of both men and women significantly reduces the fighting effectiveness of a military unit. Throw even just one or two women into an infantry platoon and the way people bond changes, the priorities of people change, etc. There is a reason that every culture that experiences war learns over time that the most effective fighting force available is small groups of young men who struggle and bond together into a brotherhood.
I just don't see how you eliminate gender here. Men and women are simply not the same.
Yeah, I think when he talked about the draft he was talking about non-combat roles specifically
The Marxist agenda is to destroy men and family, and create the new utopian vision that denies biological reality.
This may sound like a conspiracy but I think the entire concept of "toxic masculinity" is a shit test to see who will cave to the pressure to be less masculine, to weed out the ones who aren't masculine enough to stick to their guns and keep being masculine to a toxic degree, which (whether they admit it or not) they actually find attractive.
Yes
Exactly
There you said it
This is hilarious
Except that they DON'T find that behavior attractive
here is why the "women love bad boys" trope exists in reality, and why it APPEARS to be true:
There is nothing that dries a pussy faster in this world (besides maybe a hideous face) than PATHETIC INSECURITY (I say pathetic insecurity to differentiate it from the type of insecurity that "bad boy" behaviors are indicative of. It's not perceived as insecurity by anyone even though it objectively is.)
Women value straight forwardness and a lack of fear, these are things that "bad boys" excel in. Try this in your dating life: take care of your looks first and foremost (most important), then behave in a STRAIGHTFORWARD, non-doormat manner where you set boundaries, make your intentions clear and known, never simp and don't shy away from confrontation in a respectful manner. Basically adopting all the positive "bad boy" traits without the negative ones. You will quickly find that you will outdo any "bad boy" in the dating/casual sex world unless he's significantly better looking than you.
When you think of a bad boy, you're never imagining an ugly guy, and neither are women. That should tell you all you need to know. Being able to get away with something =\= it's better to act that way
its real but this retarded femcels are pushing it into every single male thought proccess. For me victims of toxic masculinity are probably in jail homless or beat women on regular bases.
For me i had the some thought process as you since i never understood it from personal experience beacuse ye my dad told me not to cry but he didnt say to me "dont cry dont be a beta" he said dont cry try to find a solution to your problems and so on.
As a girl, Ill say youre right.
RE: the house husband thing, check out this manga/anime called The Way of the Househusband. It's about an ex yakuza boss who decides to be a househusband for his rich wife
guys don't sleep on that manga. this guy is talking a lot of sense
I love that manga. It made me start cooking. This comment also makes me miss the girl that recommended the manga to me. sadge.
BETA
@@richardtyson100 AMAZIN
*wanting to read the manga* >>>
Excellent video, and at the same time, kinda frustrating that I wasn't able to hear this message, 3-4 years ago when I was inching into these mgtow videos (because it just wasn't there then). I never got very far into it, and I never felt like I hated women- I just had a ton of sympathy for guys who just didn't want to date and/or felt that it wasn't worth the trouble, due to bad experiences....(and still do, I just have more hope and have seen success, by being more positive/optimistic in my outlook towards dating/women)
This sympathizes exactly with those feelings, and instead of bringing me a bit more right- I would have been pulled to the left much quicker, if I had heard these messages from left-leaning online personalities at the time...
Because yeah, literally all I heard about was (in short) "Men are problematic, have privilege, and don't experience any real problems like Women do...." . All I needed was some pushback to recognize that we have done so much female empowerment in the modern age, but now we ARE in fact swinging the pendulum back the other way towards MUCH more in favor for Women, and there needs to be some thought on how to push a new masculinity and have that be the focus, vs *only* saying what *not* to do!
It's kind of messed up when you think about how studios try to balance progressive change with regressive societal norms.
Think of all the badass, awesome female characters we've seen in movies in the past ten years. The ones designed to help represent women's empowerment and promote a feminist message.
Now how many of them are unattractive?
edit for context: I'm making the point that studios will feign support for progressive female characters, but will always go out of their way to make them sexy to avoid alienating guys
not one of them is unattractive. But that is just my opinion.
But then again, most film directors are old fat white men. I do not like movies and dont watch them in general.
Yeah this is kind of a joke. The dudes in the same roles are all attractive because, guess what, it's Hollywood and people like looking at attractive people.
@Mitch Lang You've missed the context completely. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy in acting woke to appear like you support female empowerment while simultaneously moulding them for the maximum desirability.
It would be like if every gay pride movie had all their main characters be super effeminate
Brie Larson is not hot. At all
@@wisemage0 I’m trolling. I was mocking sexists. But if we pretend that I’m not then yes, it’s a personal attack
My male role model was always Obi Wan and Jesse Lee Peterson
ah yea
you gotta balance it out
Did the latter teach you to luh black peepo?
amazin
The thing is that women have achieved equality when you average over the whole of society. What they see is that they're not represented in the top, what they ignore is that they're also not represented in the bottom. The problem is that society considers its simpler functions not as respectable as its functions that are only suited to the most exceptional of people.
@@epithymbria It doesn't matter if there's "plenty of women" homeless. There are also "plenty of" women in powerful positions. The debate exists because of representations. Men are over represented at the top. They are also over represented at the bottom. Most homeless, suicides, prisoners, dead/injured at work, lonely people, drop out of school, homicide victims... they are mostly men. So men are at the top but they're also at the bottom. And society is bottom heavy, there's more men at the bottom than there are men at the top. Women live relatively "stable" (for lack of a better word) lives.
It's so annoying when people erase their comment bc it makes a bad impression. What about the internet makes people think everything must look perfect?
Don’t think so. It’s not really about representation about people in the top, although that alone is still indicative of inequality against Women whether you like it or not given historical context. Women are still getting sexually trafficked way more than men, have higher depression rates, get stalked way more, aren’t takened as seriusly, women are believed less in compared to men in regards to rape. Spend more hours raising kids compared to men. All of these are factually true. This isnt women vs men so don’t waste my time giving stats about men I already agree with. Representation is important because it has help encourage society to become, so it would be the benefit of all society to get more women in power. Are you really going to say that white men on average don’t live stable lives atleast compared to black women
Wonder Cat , we could endlessly argue about who gets victimized most in what way, but that has absolutely nothing to do with "representation" in society's hierarchy, since criminal activities take place outside of the authority of society. The inequality you perceive is a consequence of either choices, selection bias, propagandizing or simple misconceptions rather than oppression/discrimination.
And using women of color as some rhetorical shield is pretty disgusting, especially as feminism has a long history of drawing attention away from racism and poverty to serve its own purposes.
@seavpal based
This is perhaps my favorite arc. Time to really piss off literally everyone since people are affected either directly or indirectly by dating and its associated crappy shit.
If creators are ever confused about a good male role model. They gotta take notes from Iroh from Avatar: TLA. That guy is the modern version of a chad.
Yeah sokka is the guy who thinks he is a Chad when it was iroh all along
Also V**** made a good point that Zagreus from the game Hades is an excellent male role model
Obi Wan is the best
"Hey man, I know you need a male role model, so here is a cartoon character."
Or Major Chip Hazard from Small Soldiers (1998)
All women are stunningly beautiful with the amount of makeup and editing done on them for movies. Movies are not an accurate portrayal of real life and a horrible thing to use as an example. Women are far more picky when it comes to standards of men they’re attracted to than men are, this is a fact and there’s plenty of studies in dating apps to prove this. Also many of these “average” me you talk about in movies are only average to you because you don’t understand what women are really attracted. I’d be willing to bet those “average” looking men in movies are quite a bit better looking than the “average” man in the real world.
normies are discovering blackpill . . . . . . how cute.
LMFAO MEDICANN
"I'm going to sound cringy here, biology is real" What world is this that that statement is cringy?
It sounds funny and ridiculous...agreed.
However, the context is in making fun of the mgtow/incel community making prescriptive statements based on the premise that these things are *hardwired biologically* and this is obviously not true, but neither is *it is entirely a social construct*- which would be a common talking point for ideologically pure lefties.
The common sense position is, that yes of course there are biological causes, but that doesn't mean it is something we can't shift progressively over time. In fact, it is what we have done for all of human history! Just 50-60 years ago, things were very much different..
As Destiny said in his previous video (I believe) "Ironically, it is because of Feminism that Tomi Lahren is able to work a high paying, and successful career".
@@caseypdx503 it's not as different as you think, at least for the majority of people, most women like to do women things and be women and men too, most men like to do typically male things. Ironically forcing it to be otherwise or society to work in a way that is against that rather than parallel to it is akin to the anti gay or anti trans therapy that leftists usually rail against. The left celebrates change but most also codemn traditional values. Why can't we have both?
@@DoubleO88 Yeah, I can sympathize here...never said we can't do both, rather I advocate for it.
Also, consider this- what would be common traditional values in modern america- wouldn't even necessarily include Women being *exclusively* house wives, because there are still plenty more traditional values to be used in relationships/marriages, whereas *very left* people in america would be going even further- the overton window keeps moving, but that doesn't mean that the more moderate (always existing) side will be gone, nor does it mean that it should be condemned. Same goes the other way. I think you can agree here? This is where we can have both and not shit on anyone for their choices.
tells you how skewed his thinking is.
I blame lesbians.
This is probably one of my favourite Destiny videos (Part 1 as well.) I am actually going to start going through a lot of media I grew up with or surround myself with to see what type of male or female rolemodels there are.
yea i did the same too and im realising how much they influenced me, in more ways than i thought.
@@xaviersgiantego1453 I have an obsession with nostalgia and media I grew up with so finding any excuse to re-evaluate them through a new lens is nice.
Only thing I don't agree with is the whole "You have to love yourself before someone else can love you" because there are people with low sense of self worth and absolutely hate themselves but have people flocking to them in droves just to love them, why? Because they are attractive. We make attraction more complex than it really is.
How can someone say that "a good example for beauty standard is women in media" and also say that "any moderately attractive woman would have someone wanting to take care of her"? I agree with the second statement, but the first one is absolutely ridiculous. Celebrities are not the standard of beauty, they represent the unachievable peak of beauty. If women suddenly stopped taking as much care of themselves as they so obsessively do every day, their desirability would definitely lower, but a) they would not feel as much pressure, and b) they would have no problem finding a partner.
EDIT: I also have another problem with a point he makes further into the video, which is a direct contradiction with what he says in another debate.. (specifically, the debate about a law which he argued was racist in intent, because it made voting difficult for black people.) In that debate, the other person claims that the law isn't racist, because it affects more white people than black people. To that, destiny responds that, in perspective, a law that affects 100% of the black community and only 10-20% of the white community, can still be considered racist.. and I agree. Now, however, he makes the point that women don't have a problem with being taken care of, but also that it's difficult to know when they are taken seriously when they are successful in their career, or if people want to fuck them. I'd point that argument back to him, and say that the two are not comparable. The number of women who aren't taken seriously is, of course, smaller than the general female population, and for that reason, the two statements are incomparable.
The beauty standard i think here refers to the standard for defining beauty and not the average attractive person. I don't think Destiny meant that Actresses and Models are your average representation of beautiful people but rather that looking how attractive people are portrayed in the media shows a lot about what's desirable, looks-wise in specific time frame in a certain society. Looking at an average attractive person wouldn't tell us all that we need to know about societal shifts and trends, like a processed marketed celebrity would look like.
Furthermore, I disagree that celebrities are the unachievable peak of beauty, simply because not every famous person is known for their looks alone in most cases. Even models need some level of hard work and dedication to maintain themselves in some way, shape or form.
I do agree, however, that the general expectations for women, especially, have shot up in the last years and it's manifesting in very unhealthy ways in our society.
Ahrelevant is such a cool guy
I love the conversations between him and Dest. There's always so much progress
is this ahrelevent?
I thought he was dumb
this guy is pretty based
@D.K dunno really. the only time I saw him was on that podcast where destiny droppde in and ahrelevant had kinda muted and was interacting with his stream.
just memeing and goofin, not participating. gave me the impression he was someone like greek, who is always like that in the most obnoxious way possible.
@D.K I know what you're referencing. Kormantine attacking Steven's whiteness while disregarding Ahrelevant's blackness was so fucking hilarious
how is your wife destiny ?
You targeting JRPGs as a representation of Japanese culture would be like me targeting the 70 years of writers worshiping intelligence in comics as a representation of American society.
Speaking of which, you do realize those same comics with those same superheros who are all mega brilliant scientists or engineers are nearly all that's been on TV for the last two decades, right?
This might be the first time I can entirely identify with your views on a topic. Very well put, Steven!
I agree with the hyper-masculinity push, but I will point out that being intelligent is only nerdy and lame, if it's in the context of a hobby or personal enjoyment. If a man uses his nerdy intelligence to make lots of money, suddenly and magically it becomes very masculine and very attractive.
Right but it's not the intelligence that's attractive, it's that he has a ton of money. Rich idiots experience the same success.
I don't believe that, no one ever considered Bill Gates to be masculine and attractive.
@@SkeleTonHammer what, have you ever dated
@@SkeleTonHammer Intelligence is attractive. Having money is also attractive.
You are unintelligent, poor, and unattractive.
Intelligence can work to your advantage if you are a 6+ in certain niches. Not in terms of "slaying", but for LTRs. That's about it.
Being a person is hard.
^The answer^
Ur pretty
@@elmergoering2443 Pretty ugly
@@simplyzed8966 Seems like you didn't listen to the video
@@pengo2418 How did you infer that from me calling someone ugly
"Two sides to this thing, you never see attractive women on the street, but they never know if they're being taken seriously." Homelessness vs being taken seriously because you're too attractive. Lol... One side seems a little heavier.
i was dumbfounded that this was a comparison. it almost seems like first world problems vs starvation.
Yeah that's a really bad comparison. I think a better one would be that women often resort to prostitution to escape homelessness
The thing is : what other comparison can be made here ? Being homeless is shittier than most things women go through. There's no good comparison, and I think this one is probably the best to make his point.
Attractive women have it so hard fr
Absolutely
I want destiny to talk with some incels.
I think he would agree with most blackpilled incels tho
Gender roles can't be easily flipped. Males and females want fundamentally different things from a mate. Males want a female that will produce healthy offspring. Thats why they go for young fit women. A 35 year old female engineer is less likely to produce healthy offspring than a 20 year old fitness instructor. Conversely females want males that will keep them and their offspring safe, whether from the elements, predators, or other males. Predators and rivals are almost non-existent in civilized society so most of the focus is on providing shelter and comfort but don't think for a second that women don't consider what would happen in an emergency. As unlikely as it is its not a comfortable feeling to know your man isn't a fighter, and if you run into a man who is he can knock him out and take what he wants from you.
cute but nah
women are very very very looks focused, especially when young but even when older too. they want all the things you want for the same reasons, better genetics for better offspring. women of all ages like young prettyboys, it's a total myth that they don't. The main important thing for getting women is your face, there's a reason the biggest meme of people who roid up to get big is that they expect female attention but only end up getting male attention, understand that you're doing all that stuff for MEN before you waste your time, know what you're getting yourself into. Being LEAN is a different story because it makes your face look better, that's a necessity.
you're not entirely wrong but you failed to realize that a woman's PROVIDER instincts and her MATE instincts are completely and totally separate
Reasonableness is a rare quality. But it's valuable in today's extreme society. Great video. I do think that we are not able to communicate ideas without feeling personally attacked. Sometimes we just need to listen to other side to get perspective. This is why I follow channels that are right and left winged. I follow redpill males as well as pinkpill females. There's always one side, another side, and then the truth. Usually the truth lies somewhere in between that.
I think black piller's should set up a national sick day. Where we all call in sick on a single day of the year. Black pill day.
why are they writing jordan peterson off as an incel channel? from what i've seen he justs tells people how to become better people, regardless of gender
I feel like many people dont actually listen to him and only see out of context clips that others show them.
I think it's just generally hard to speak about that because it's basically two biggest communities going at each other and both sides did/do bad shit, but no one wants to admit their side or wants to be the better side.
Yeah except one of them is an academic discipline endorsed by governments with massive capital passing through it and its affiliate activist causes. The other is constantly derided, smeared, blacklisted, deplatformed, and generally considered to be untouchable from a social or career standpoint.
Dude destiny has a really good, fleshed out idea of progressive and black pill ideas.... he does a good job explaining his ideas as well!!
as someone who has been homeless for almost 2 years a couple years ago, the only homeless women that sleep outside are either crazy, old, or both. Thats not me being a sexist, thats me never having seen them, and talking to homeless people and joking about it back then. Most homeless people sleeping outside are either young guys "stuck in the middle of a hard spot" and its quite uplifting seeing them disappear after a while as they get their life back together, or its people that just "gave up" on civilisation or are crazy.
It's official. I have taken the omni-pill. Thanks, Destiny.
Yes I have asymmetry and I cannot gym max anymore. Antidepressants damaged my testosterone levels. I cannot build muscle anymore I have erectile dysfunction causes from antidepressants toxicity. I'm poor limited income no car difficultes working. I am screwed. Every chick is scared of me. Regardless of dress code bathing. The only logical conclusion is it's my looks
brutal
get a disabled chick or something ,
Not a fan of destiny. I am in disagreement with him on many issues, but he is mad honest, and I can't help to admire his sincerity in this mad world.
This new arc of destiny is the final arc: the stable realist.
YESSS, I love destiny gender role talks
Really loving these Minecraft Parkour streams :)
Wow, I haven't really watched destiny a lot. But right now I'm just impressed at how much I agree with these 2 videos. It's crazy.
The protagonist from Kim Stanley Robinson's books are exactly what is needed to push the nuance you're advocating for. A great example is Charlie Quibler from the Science in the Capital trilogy. He's a stay-at-home dad who also acts as science policy advisor to a senator.
That "intelligence as not a trait of men" example is interesting. I viewed the male representation in media in a different way. It always seemed to me that men are presented as someone "who can do it all." James Bond may be the clearest example, but overall it seemed to me that we place an importance on men being able to deal with all manner of stuff adequately, and that THAT was the problem.
@5:41 Oh boo hoo. A lot of the time it's the woman's fault for trying that crap on hook up sites or apps. They idiotically put that they're not looking for a hookup on these obvious hookup sites/apps and they never learn. Even for those that somehow are only getting guys that bail after sex it's not bad either, because at least they're getting something consistently.
Yeah it’s like millionaires complaining that they have to pay taxes meanwhile an unemployed person doesn’t even have income.
This guy is super cool, I hope destiny has him on again to talk about this kinda stuff, because as a (more or less) aimless young man it's kind of shitty how I end up feeling about my life prospects sometimes, especially because I'm aware of my privilege's and that I can't just become a woman hating incel and all that stuff. We need more positive male role models that talk about issues men face while also understanding and respecting the stuff those kinds of figures often ignore
I like this series more than I should
I remember a lot of formerly homeless women reporting that they had to avoid men who take them in as a “project” and had off intentions so there is a bit more nuance to it. It really fucking sucks that there isn’t more institutions and awareness in place for actually dealing with men’s issues
You’re labeling homelessness as a male issue right?
this guy is so bluepilled still
It takes a while, but its getting there lol
Woah woah woah. How did you relate Jordan Petersom with MGTOW channels that “teach you how to be more manly? What is the association for you there?
Destiny likes to paint in a broad brush.
@@DoubleO88 What is the association? How is Peterson trying to educate you how to "be more manly."
@@jenafierro1500 I think he believes their audiences are the same? idk
Being an attractive woman is like being a rich man, you never know what anyone’s intentions are. Everyone you meet will seem like they are using you.
Wait a second , has Destiny got Arriving Somewhere But Not Here by Porcupine Tree playing in the background?
My parasocial relationship thickens.
With regard to the hard/dangerous jobs, and advocating that they be paid more rather than advocating gender parity in who does them... this runs into a very big problem. Because those jobs ARE already paid more for being harder and more dangerous. Easier and safer jobs pay less. Women choose the easier and safer jobs. Then they complain of a pay gap, NOT taking into account such things as... how safe or dangerous the job is (nor how many hours are required, nor the skill or education required), and then they demand to be paid just as much for the safe jobs as men get paid for the dangerous ones, or else claim it is discrimination. See the problem?
Lol the jobs that pays the most aren’t dangerous though. Most blue collar jobs dont even pay that much.
@@hanalala3164 We are talking amongst the blue collar jobs. Or jobs that don't necessarily require a professional degree. And the vast majority of jobs fall into that category. Looking at top level professional jobs is looking at an entirely different category. But even within that category then, when you look at number of years on the job and hours put in per week, and adjust accordingly for the statistics, the alleged gender pay disparity disappears, or even flips in the other direction. Ultimately, you need to be sure you compare the proper things to have a meaningful analysis. If I go out and work a single hour a week, but get paid 100 dollars an hour, so I make 100 dollars, and a woman goes out and works 40 hours a week for 10 dollars an hour, making 400 dollars, should I cry foul and say there was gender discrimination against ME because, look at that HUGE pay gap, she got paid 4 times what I got paid?
Implying that Jordan Peterson is mgtow is insane
Ofc he fricking called them pathetic weasels at one point😂
Do you ever go back and watch old videos to see if you might disagree with yourself after giving yourself time to detach from the discussion?
I can hear Porcupine tree in the background, sweet!!!
1:39 Fellow incels you heard it here for the debate lord himself, "women are cringe". Praise our new founded lord as he will guide us to the path of enlightenment.
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AYY MY MAN squadW
Don't talk in chat unless you get 10 tinder matches per day at least
So why are you talking?
@@realbob8823 😂
Okay virgin
dont talk in chat if u have tinder lmao
One movie that had the typical "Basic Guy, Supermodel Girl" that actually handled it kind of well was "She's Out of My League". It wasn't a good movie, but I felt the overall message of it was pretty good. The girl wants to date a guy who isn't just some rich Chad, and the guy thinks he's just some looser, so when she shows interest in him he has this constant self-deprecation because he thinks that she's too good for him and that her showing interest in him must be some cruel joke or her just wanting a looser instead of a Chad, which strains their relationship. The ultimate point of the movie is that you have to love and appreciate yourself in order to do the same for another. Again, it's just a crappy romcom, but I enjoyed the message.
It's a commercial product which sells cope and fantasy to a calculated target audience.
Very interesting point about Japanese media (JRPGs) presenting intelligence not as a purely feminine trait. Western entertainment media could benefit from such a shift.
15:55 I understand what Destiny is hinting, but to be honest it's more the fact that in Japanese media is very common that the protagonist has to be skilled in everything a awesome. Because in Japanese media totally the same archetypes like geeky guy and shit. I feel like it's more of a japanese videogame trope.
There are definitely more "feminine" men in anime and the like. You don't see characters like Gon, L, Tanjirou or Deku in American media. Though gender roles are much more prevalent in Japan, but that's a completely different topic.
"maybe we cannot know because of unethical experiments" that is where math comes in, isolation of variables. You don't need to cut a someone's heart out of their chest to prove they have one. That's just functional fixedness with the operation of "experiment" to begin with.
There’s no toxic masculinity
as a lefty I love hearing your opinion
same :)
EWWWW
This is the only destiny content I like. Is there any more other than the first black pill video??
He talks a decent amount about dating issues, try looking under that... also he’s had arguments about feminism and women’s issues, (like with that nut job Aussie psych student).
@@oryxkingoftopologiesslayer6790 thanks
@@qwerasdliop2810 also try his “real talks” great content...
I've thought all of the exact same things and can not disagree with a single thing. Glad to see that some people do have the same views
I wish they brought up women seeking other womens validation and how the judgement of a womans beauty is mainly by other women. As men, who do judge a woman by their beauty, is not as nearly as harsh as other women.
Yes. Women are more interested in what other women want (including wanting men chosen by other women) instead of being interested in what men want.
That's the direct result of women being the sexual selectors of species.
Porcupine Tree in the background! POG!
I haven't heard Ahrelevant's voice since the N word arc, good to hear him again.
What if women are competing against each other?
One woman suggests that all women stop wearing makeup for a week.
What do you believe the result of that will be?
this is not gendered, this goes both ways, male and female, because brains work the same for both genders.
Note to editors, rape is not a word that should be censored, makes conversations confusing. Glad to see Destiny talking to really great people like Ahrelevant and Dpak.
Unfortunately I'm almost certain that that word is a huge flag for getting your video demonetized :/
So I kinda sympathize with the editor here.
I just want an anime rivalry with a girl.
You were supposed to destroy the incels, not join them!
lol
Did an incel steal ur girl?
@Constitutionalist Monarchist No! Steven is a 10
You were supposed to destroy the incels, not join them!
Destiny: I HATE WOMEN!
@Jack Dorsen Yikes man, I love how you are making these assumptions with literally no knowledge of their personal life. Seems like you are projecting a lot of your own personal insecurities here man. That's pretty beta of you. :)
17:42 Thing about that is; its a bit of a misnomer to say that women are "home caretakers" in that traditionally the house is their domain and they take care of it, because traditionally speaking women only take care of certain aspects of the home; namely taking care of the kids(if they even have any), doing dishes, laundry, cooking, cleaning, and gardening.
men traditionally pay the bills, but also traditionally take care of stuff around the house too; mowing the lawn, trimming tree limbs, doing electrical work(from as simple as a lightbulb going out, to an outlet stopped working to a blown fuse), drywall work(like patching holes n stuff), taking care of plumbing issues (clogged toilets, honey i dropped my ring in the kitchen sink!), taking care of rodents (not just mice but moles in the back yard are annoying, not to mention raccoons), dealing with both trash and lawn waste (lawn trimmings, dirt, branches, leaves), moving and assembling heavy furniture, roof tiling, appliance maintenance and shoveling the snow. All traditionally male tasks. As far as "crossover" goes, at best my wife may pull some weeds, and take out the trash when I forget to. As far as a crossover in her stuff I may sweep and mop, and do a laundry load every once in a blue moon.
So if a man is to be a househusband, he has to do all the male tasks on this list AND the women list, and the only load thats being taken off his back is paying all the bills. Nobody is talking about how women should take over any labor-intensive tasks that men traditionally are assigned to do.
They only ever talk about taking over tasks that are relatively safe, comes with power, or are profitable. No feminist is asking for more women being crab fisherwomen, oil refinery workers, or coal miners. It's always safe, air-conditioned offices; and this bias shows up even in something like trading domestic duties as I'm highlighting here. Even if you claim nobody should have to work these dangerous jobs, in reality, many people do and they're mostly men, and women will never garner the level of respect that men get if they don't shed their pound of flesh the same way men do.
And that's not even covering how some women won't respect their husband if he's not making more money than her, so there's that too!
This gives me hope.
That there are people who care about seeing both sides of an argument in left vs right.
That are disappointed in the mass amounts of people who seem to hate upon the other side without understanding them.
And that want to make progress on this major issue of individuals unable to see eye to eye.
Anyways, um... I bought a whole bunch of shungite rocks, do you know what shungite is? Anybody know what shungite is? No, not Suge Knight, I think he's locked up in prison. I'm talkin' shungite. Anyways, it's a two billion year-old like, rock stone that protects against frequencies and unwanted frequencies that may be traveling in the air. That's my story, I bought a whole bunch of stuff. Put 'em around the la casa. Little pyramids, stuff like that
It's strange to me because those love movies are aiming for female audiences no? So I don't quite get why the dude is an average dude and the woman is a dime.
Because it’s funny and people don’t care how guys look as much. Women like to see pretty women as well. It’s aspirational. That’s why Victoria’s Secret models don’t look average.
Women do not care about your physical appearance so far as it won't actively repulse them, sure they like hot guys, but guys being hot is not as important as you'd think for them.
@A Friendly Hobo not in terms of looks
That male actor was very attractive. Idk what destiny is saying calling him an average dude
@A Friendly Hobo in terms of social success maybe, but not really in terms of looks, this is pretty anecdotal but i generally see about as many ugly dudes with hot gfs as the other way around, though the majority of couples tend to be rather equal appearance-wise from my experience
This video is about anything but blackpill.
Well thought out conversation.
These "progressive" discussions keep leaving me with the impression that people like Destiny just want everybody else to change according to his specific worldview instead of following their own preferences. He's also weirdly hypocritical about it. For example: why have the belief that women should be into more feminine traits in men across society, but at the same time hate on Sykkuno for being a weird anime femboy that women like?
His issue with Sykkuno isn’t the femboy stuff or women liking him, it’s him pretending to be an irl shy anime boy
Wolfenstein absolutely lmao as if lily isn’t faking that shit voice
Actually there's a pretty cute homeless girl in, my town around her late 20s. I think tho her whole family are "professional" beggers and don't live in the streets (i'm not condamning them btw, still feel like a pretty shit gig to sit on concrete in rags for 16heures a day.
Would you do it for 80 grand a year tax free?
You know why women are only being judged based on how atractive they are? because their body, is all they have to offer nowadays. The average woman can't cook or clean, do laundry, and other household chores, lacks basic nurturing skills. People can deny this all they want, but most men don't actually give a shit about a woman's phd or her law degree and how sucessful she is in her career. So, at the end of the day, why should a guy bother, when the average woman can't even fry an egg anymore.
As a christian, marriage and kids is definitely in my plans, so I am not even really a fan of mgtow and so called "incels". I am just describing what i see as a big part of the problem and also the reason why these male groups exist.
Bro I'm a Groyper, but this sounds like some incel shit.
There are plenty of women out there who are still willing to settle down and raise a family. These types of women aren't even that uncommon. Also, marry someone who gets a well-paying degree so that they can join the workforce years after your kids are grown up. It's a win-win.
Agreed. Even "TradCon" chicks are turning out to be hypergamous leftist sloots that refuse to do anything productive. Feminism has destroyed everything for millennials and zoomers. The damage is already horribly bad, but wait until Gen Alpha and Beta reach dating ages. If you thought the nosedive was painful now, wait until they're the majority. Amazing!
@@CR33SIVE How is this incel shit? I am talking about averages here, not even an overwelming majority and definitely not all women lol. If this relates to incel talking points, then so be it. It's simply just true. Men share the blame too, btw. I don't think incels would like to hear what i have to say about the average man nowadays.
Damn, Steve. This is one of your best videos I've seen in years.
Time to become a Femboi for female validation guys
My favourite blackpill from this is that no matter how masculine women become, they still want men to be their traditional caricature of a manly man
@D.K Blackpill is kinda like the "oh fuck this is how it is and there isnt anything I can do about it" moment
yeah, the problem is that women are in control of the incentive structure determining larger social phenomena such as norms concerning gendered behavior. you are literally doing yourself harm if you steer too far away from traditional masculinity (in general, there are of course specific social communities where this is not the case). this sucks because, for example, I am not a "masculine" man by nature, and by virtue of that my sexual and romantic opportunities are greatly hindered despite me being quite good-looking. basically, the few times I have gotten laid have been because I have larped as a masculine guy (even toxically so, due to being intoxicated by alcohol). but from a personal perspective, this doesn't really concern me because I am probably going to be quite successful in terms of making money and having an acceptable status in the near future, which means that my romantic and sexual opportunities are going to increase significantly, although this just means that I am implementing the masculine ideal women find attractive (by making money).
Great video
Bruh I can’t wait to be a househusband
3:20 I thought of mall cop
Lol that's the legit actor
That last "bye" from ahrelevant was hilarious
> Engineering men looking for housewives instead of engineering women.
Maybe they dont feel threatened, maybe 2 engineers make terrible parents and home keepers. Many people are attracted to partners that round them out and cover for their weaknesses.
Dude I’m so tired of people just being so afraid to take on responsibility and become an adult. We all just want to be sus gamers and take on zero responsibility these days
That's good