King Joseph from Egypt came to Aztlan. During Hidalgo treaty they were in the four corners region. Before that, it was in Wisconsin area. The ohi river went into Aztlan and that river is the great lakes. Scott holter. Explains it in the episode where they are at the pyramids underwater in Wisconsin. They mention the maps as well. Season 2 episode 8
What an interesting place this artificial island. It almost sounds like it could be ATLANTIS instead of Aztlan. Thank you Prof. Bitto. Now I want to visit Nayarit.
This was a good exploration of a possible theory, Professor Bitto, but I am still inclined to believe the Mexica came from the Four Corners area and were originally the Anasazi. Some have made the case that they were also the migrating Hohokam (Phoenix area). Both theories believe that droughts caused these civilizations to collapse and turned these people into wanderers. Something tells me that you already know all this. lol I realize you just picked one theory here and went with it. As I never heard of this fishing village before, I am really fascinated by it. Who built the island and why? They need to do some serious archaeology there. Thank you professor.
As profesor Bitto says at the beginning of every show. His theries are NOT necesary the only ones to the subjects being examined. I higly recomendó you to read a book clled "The Aztec" written by Gary Jennkngs. I ve read the book 30 years ago and the Island of Mexcaltitlan is mentioned there many times.
My research puts Aztlan, in the area of Northern Utah. The home of the crane, Bear River Wildlife Refuge today. It was no mystery as to why the Aztec fled south. The inland sea that fed their water paradise was drained by a massive earthquake talked about by the Paiute, the Washoe, Ute and many other tribes who all speak a Uto-Aztecian language to this day. The massive earthquake from the Wasatch Fault and Yellowstone magma activities, drained the water and volcanic activity filled the sky with smoke and fire. The majority of the Aztec fled thinking they had angered the gods. They left behind traces of their empire, many people that still speak Aztec language and somewhere a vast hidden treasure of wealth and records.
Dear profesor BITTO I ha e always felt the mágical attraction to MEXCALTITLAN. I even met a nurse from the Island and she would talk for hours about her Island where she was born and raised. I have to go there sometime. Your explanation in the show made spirit fly to the island... Reminding me of Pazcuaro another pueblo mágico...
I was here a few weeks ago, it was pretty cool, they have a museum which I wanted to explore, however it was closed. After going to Mexcaltitlán, I was even more curious to know about it’s origins and the civilization that built it.
Aztlan has been found and is out of Santa Fe New Mexico in U.S. colonial territory. We have evidence that support claims from Mexico and from the Pueblo people of the New Mexican area, we were known as the snake clan since we had talked about Quetzalcoatl and as we sent out people to reconnect the Nahua family that was sent out many years before and was never heard from till the last clan who originally sent out the first party to reconnect the nahual family finally left the caves of 27,000 nations and made it to the center of the universe which was the valley of Mexico.
@@mexicounexplained Indeed there is some strong evidence to suggest this and it's def. possible. Theres a snippet from a documentary if you wanna check it out. its here on you tube titled below. The Exodus (North American) (Aztecs, Mexicas, and Toltecs) (Hopi) (English Subtitles)
You keep saying that the island in on a lake, incorrect. Its on a river . El san pedro del mezquital thats starts in durango and crosses the sierra mardes to nayarit. Its the last free flowing river to the sea in mexico
Another very interesting study of pre conquest Mexico. The only problem I have is picturing Montezuma II as being some sort of 'peaceful emperor'. He had been supreme ruler for 17 years before meeting with Cortes and in that time Montezuma carried out the same violent policy of conquering and enslaving various other tribes. This is the primary reason Cortes was able to harness allied warriors against the Aztec empire such as the Totonacs and the Tlaxcala, two peoples all too familiar with the violent Aztec regime and their two other allied groups Montezuma had in a 'triple alliance'. It made the conquest possible albeit not without the help of Cortes's translator 'Malintzin' or 'noble captive' in the Nahuatl language who was a willing collaborator and was herself aware of the conquering policies of the "Culua-Mexica".
I agree with you about Montezuma. I did a whole show on him (Episode #200). Nowhere in this show do I say he is "peaceful" or even allude to it. In fact, I mention he sent off the expedition to find Aztlan to take everyone's minds off of what was going on domestically.
@@mexicounexplained Very sorry and did not mean to imply you said that at all. It's the popular modern western misconception of a 'benevolent leader'. The entry of these nomads as I'm sure you know, was not welcomed. Those who watched their arrival were urban and civilized peoples who had lived around the shores of Lake Texcoco for centuries. But within a hundred years of their arrival in the valley, the 'people of heron place' had silenced their detractors and laid waste to their cities, captured their gods and constructed their own great metropolis. What is also interesting is 'Aztec' is not a word you will find anywhere in contemporary 16th century accounts of the Spanish Conquest. This is lamentable in some ways not the least because 'Culua-Mexica', pronounced 'cool-wah mesheeka' is such a beautiful and sonorous name IMHO.
I think Alexander von Humboldt was one of the first people to use the word "Aztec" and to me it sounds fitting that it came from him because the word is very hard and "German-sounding" (I'm part German, so I get to say stuff like that, right? lol). I agree with you what you wrote about the sound of the original name, Culua-Mexica. It does roll off the tongue nicely. Thanks for your comments and for your support of the show.
@@mexicounexplained the theories I knew was the Aztecs knew tribes as far as Utah and they came from salt lake the others were they came from the deserts for Arizona and new Mexico and northern Mexico the another one was they came from the rio grande or Baja California but this proves 9 out of 10 this could be aztlan and if it is we must find the 7 caves around the area but the southwest Is the Aztecs were anasazi
@@eldrifterboi2196 I kind of said the same thing in a comment I just wrote. I think professor Bitto knows of the Anasazi and/or Hohokam connection, he was just exploring this one possibility with this show. I think the Aztecs were Anasazi, too. They should do some digging at this artificial island, que no? Maybe we can get some answers that way.
@@eldrifterboi2196 Yes, I think we should look for those 7 caves. I've heard a lot of different theories. There is one that says Aztlan is on the coast of Tamaulipas. I was thinking about looking at that, too, but maybe at some later time. We may never get an answer on this.
So, let me understand you, seven tribes leave their caves and regroup and settel on Mexcaltitan, that is one squar mile in area...Has anyone figuared when this artificial tiny island was built? I belive it has been proven that the Aztec/Mexica DNA is simular to all Amerindians, therefore they either crossed the Bering Land Bridge or took the Seaweed Highway down the coast. Their DNA shows Siberian and East Asia is there real homeland and not Mecantitan...P.S. Islands dot the west coast, In my reaserch I found an island with 7 prehistoric camp sites, all with fresh water springs, mountains with caves, game and fowl and within site ofr the west coast...suerte
If you look at the Guadalupe Hidalgo treaty of 1848 , it labels a place called Conception (place of origin or conception in English) on the lower Colorado River basin(what today is Blythe CA ) and indentifies “ La Antigua Residencia de los Aztecas “ or “The Ancient Residence of the Aztecs “ Interestingly there is a book called ancient footprints of the Colorado river written by Alfredo Acosta Figueroa who looks into this more thoroughly , he is still alive today gives lectures at the Blythe Intaglios in California every solstice , Btw the Aztecs while on their journey to find their new homeland settled in many places that resembled Aztlan , also I think Mexcaltitán means something different, because the Mex in Mexico comes from the word Metztli / xictli meaning naval or center of moon maybe it’s moon house of Aztlan ? idk 😐 but it needs good for someone who speaks nahua to clear that up .. anyways just something to think about .. and there’s is a museum in Arizona close to Blythe we’re the museums now retired curator had oral history of when Moctezuma was there , also there’s also a second and third residence labeled in the treaty there’s one in chihuahua Mexico N one in AZ .. all this info is in that book FYI
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I've seen an old Spanish map with the word "Aztlan" placing it near the Great Salt Lake. It seems like this is an enduring mystery. I could probably do several shows on different possible origins.
When Chaco Canyon and other Anasazi sites were abandoned due to drought, the people went south. The people who put that Conception on the map probably didn't know of any exact location of where the Aztecs came from, so they just picked some random spot near a river. There is no evidence of any sort of civilization near Blythe besides those crude intaglios. There is nothing like them in central Mexico.
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King Joseph from Egypt came to Aztlan. During Hidalgo treaty they were in the four corners region. Before that, it was in Wisconsin area. The ohi river went into Aztlan and that river is the great lakes.
Scott holter. Explains it in the episode where they are at the pyramids underwater in Wisconsin. They mention the maps as well. Season 2 episode 8
Thanks for the info
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What an interesting place this artificial island. It almost sounds like it could be ATLANTIS instead of Aztlan. Thank you Prof. Bitto. Now I want to visit Nayarit.
Thanks for watching!
Good point I bet it is
This was a good exploration of a possible theory, Professor Bitto, but I am still inclined to believe the Mexica came from the Four Corners area and were originally the Anasazi. Some have made the case that they were also the migrating Hohokam (Phoenix area). Both theories believe that droughts caused these civilizations to collapse and turned these people into wanderers. Something tells me that you already know all this. lol I realize you just picked one theory here and went with it. As I never heard of this fishing village before, I am really fascinated by it. Who built the island and why? They need to do some serious archaeology there. Thank you professor.
Yes, I'm aware of those theories. I'm just taking a look at this specific one. I find this little island very fascinating.
As profesor Bitto says at the beginning of every show. His theries are NOT necesary the only ones to the subjects being examined.
I higly recomendó you to read a book clled "The Aztec" written by Gary Jennkngs.
I ve read the book 30 years ago and the Island of Mexcaltitlan is mentioned there many times.
My research puts Aztlan, in the area of Northern Utah. The home of the crane, Bear River Wildlife Refuge today. It was no mystery as to why the Aztec fled south. The inland sea that fed their water paradise was drained by a massive earthquake talked about by the Paiute, the Washoe, Ute and many other tribes who all speak a Uto-Aztecian language to this day. The massive earthquake from the Wasatch Fault and Yellowstone magma activities, drained the water and volcanic activity filled the sky with smoke and fire. The majority of the Aztec fled thinking they had angered the gods. They left behind traces of their empire, many people that still speak Aztec language and somewhere a vast hidden treasure of wealth and records.
Those aren’t real theories, just chicano takes on aztlan
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Dear profesor BITTO I ha e always felt the mágical attraction to MEXCALTITLAN.
I even met a nurse from the Island and she would talk for hours about her Island where she was born and raised.
I have to go there sometime.
Your explanation in the show made spirit fly to the island...
Reminding me of Pazcuaro another pueblo mágico...
Rock Lake Pyramid in Wisconsin
I've heard that one before. There are so many theories about the location of Aztlan.
I've always been told the south west theory, but this is a very good theory too.
Thanks!
I was here a few weeks ago, it was pretty cool, they have a museum which I wanted to explore, however it was closed. After going to Mexcaltitlán, I was even more curious to know about it’s origins and the civilization that built it.
As a student at the University of Texas El Paso in the 70's I had friends who were members of MECHA, Moviemiento Estudiantes de Chicanos de Aztlan.
Aztlan has been found and is out of Santa Fe New Mexico in U.S. colonial territory. We have evidence that support claims from Mexico and from the Pueblo people of the New Mexican area, we were known as the snake clan since we had talked about Quetzalcoatl and as we sent out people to reconnect the Nahua family that was sent out many years before and was never heard from till the last clan who originally sent out the first party to reconnect the nahual family finally left the caves of 27,000 nations and made it to the center of the universe which was the valley of Mexico.
I'm from NM. Very interesting.
@@mexicounexplained Indeed there is some strong evidence to suggest this and it's def. possible. Theres a snippet from a documentary if you wanna check it out. its here on you tube titled below.
The Exodus (North American) (Aztecs, Mexicas, and Toltecs) (Hopi) (English Subtitles)
Can you do a video on La Quemada Zacateca Pyramid
I'll put that on the list. Thanks.
You keep saying that the island in on a lake, incorrect. Its on a river . El san pedro del mezquital thats starts in durango and crosses the sierra mardes to nayarit. Its the last free flowing river to the sea in mexico
Another very interesting study of pre conquest Mexico. The only problem I have is picturing Montezuma II as being some sort of 'peaceful emperor'. He had been supreme ruler for 17 years before meeting with Cortes and in that time Montezuma carried out the same violent policy of conquering and enslaving various other tribes.
This is the primary reason Cortes was able to harness allied warriors against the Aztec empire such as the Totonacs and the Tlaxcala, two peoples all too familiar with the violent Aztec regime and their two other allied groups Montezuma had in a 'triple alliance'. It made the conquest possible albeit not without the help of Cortes's translator 'Malintzin' or 'noble captive' in the Nahuatl language who was a willing collaborator and was herself aware of the conquering policies of the "Culua-Mexica".
I agree with you about Montezuma. I did a whole show on him (Episode #200). Nowhere in this show do I say he is "peaceful" or even allude to it. In fact, I mention he sent off the expedition to find Aztlan to take everyone's minds off of what was going on domestically.
@@mexicounexplained Very sorry and did not mean to imply you said that at all. It's the popular modern western misconception of a 'benevolent leader'. The entry of these nomads as I'm sure you know, was not welcomed. Those who watched their arrival were urban and civilized peoples who had lived around the shores of Lake Texcoco for centuries.
But within a hundred years of their arrival in the valley, the 'people of heron place' had silenced their detractors and laid waste to their cities, captured their gods and constructed their own great metropolis. What is also interesting is 'Aztec' is not a word you will find anywhere in contemporary 16th century accounts of the Spanish Conquest. This is lamentable in some ways not the least because 'Culua-Mexica', pronounced 'cool-wah mesheeka' is such a beautiful and sonorous name IMHO.
I think Alexander von Humboldt was one of the first people to use the word "Aztec" and to me it sounds fitting that it came from him because the word is very hard and "German-sounding" (I'm part German, so I get to say stuff like that, right? lol). I agree with you what you wrote about the sound of the original name, Culua-Mexica. It does roll off the tongue nicely. Thanks for your comments and for your support of the show.
I like the intro song. It’s kind of long though
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Were the Aztecs one people Professor Robert? I’ve heard they were a combinations of different mexica tribes?
They could be called "one people" but they were made up of different tribes. They were united by culture (language, religion, etc.).
Good and convincing video. But I wonder why you say Montezuma and not Motecuzoma, as it would be, for my knowledge, more correct.
I use the English pronunciation on a lot of things, including historical figures like Montezuma.
I ve always said Moctezuma. Professor BITTO may refer to it in any language he wishes to. He is the scientist.
Wait what came first chicomoztoc or aztlan?
They emerged from the caves of chicomoztoc to Aztlan.
@@mexicounexplained the theories I knew was the Aztecs knew tribes as far as Utah and they came from salt lake the others were they came from the deserts for Arizona and new Mexico and northern Mexico the another one was they came from the rio grande or Baja California but this proves 9 out of 10 this could be aztlan and if it is we must find the 7 caves around the area but the southwest Is the Aztecs were anasazi
@@eldrifterboi2196 I kind of said the same thing in a comment I just wrote. I think professor Bitto knows of the Anasazi and/or Hohokam connection, he was just exploring this one possibility with this show. I think the Aztecs were Anasazi, too. They should do some digging at this artificial island, que no? Maybe we can get some answers that way.
@@eldrifterboi2196 Yes, I think we should look for those 7 caves. I've heard a lot of different theories. There is one that says Aztlan is on the coast of Tamaulipas. I was thinking about looking at that, too, but maybe at some later time. We may never get an answer on this.
I was always familiar with the northern Mexico or southwest US ( usually Arizona ) but this is also an interesting theory
So, let me understand you, seven tribes leave their caves and regroup and settel on Mexcaltitan, that is one squar mile in area...Has anyone figuared when this artificial tiny island was built? I belive it has been proven that the Aztec/Mexica DNA is simular to all Amerindians, therefore they either crossed the Bering Land Bridge or took the Seaweed Highway down the coast. Their DNA shows Siberian and East Asia is there real homeland and not Mecantitan...P.S. Islands dot the west coast, In my reaserch I found an island with 7 prehistoric camp sites, all with fresh water springs, mountains with caves, game and fowl and within site ofr the west coast...suerte
The Inca also place their origins from cave dwellings peoples.
Probably because pre-historic humans often lived in caves.
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If you look at the Guadalupe Hidalgo treaty of 1848 , it labels a place called Conception (place of origin or conception in English) on the lower Colorado River basin(what today is Blythe CA ) and indentifies “ La Antigua Residencia de los Aztecas “ or “The Ancient Residence of the Aztecs “
Interestingly there is a book called ancient footprints of the Colorado river written by Alfredo Acosta Figueroa who looks into this more thoroughly , he is still alive today gives lectures at the Blythe Intaglios in California every solstice , Btw the Aztecs while on their journey to find their new homeland settled in many places that resembled Aztlan , also I think Mexcaltitán means something different, because the Mex in Mexico comes from the word Metztli / xictli meaning naval or center of moon maybe it’s moon house of Aztlan ? idk 😐 but it needs good for someone who speaks nahua to clear that up .. anyways just something to think about .. and there’s is a museum in Arizona close to Blythe we’re the museums now retired curator had oral history of when Moctezuma was there , also there’s also a second and third residence labeled in the treaty there’s one in chihuahua Mexico N one in AZ .. all this info is in that book FYI
Thanks for your thoughtful comments. I've seen an old Spanish map with the word "Aztlan" placing it near the Great Salt Lake. It seems like this is an enduring mystery. I could probably do several shows on different possible origins.
When Chaco Canyon and other Anasazi sites were abandoned due to drought, the people went south. The people who put that Conception on the map probably didn't know of any exact location of where the Aztecs came from, so they just picked some random spot near a river. There is no evidence of any sort of civilization near Blythe besides those crude intaglios. There is nothing like them in central Mexico.
I still keep some 40 year old Magazines "Coronado steps" I will have to reread them again.