Close call for two planes at Reagan National Airport
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- Officials said one plane was about to take off and one had been cleared to taxi across the same runway when air traffic controllers ordered both planes to stop abruptly. NBC News' Emilie Ikeda reports.
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That one controller that gave clearance… didn’t sound sure of his command.
That's what I thought too........Big night out on the town the night before.
@@karenmbbaxter or he's tired from the longer shifts and 7 day weeks that many ATC are working to make up for the ATC shortage.
@@karenmbbaxterBig night out? You clearly have zero idea what's going on, but that's not stopping you from talking anyway.
It's well known (apparently not to you) that ATC work long hours and those hours have been going up because people don't want to do a thankless job that doesn't pay enough. They're exhausted, plain and simple. Do some research. Unless you like to continue posting from a position of lack of knowledge.
Agreed. He also sounded distracted. He may have been juggling a few things.
He was definitely a trainee. The woman was most likely his trainer and the 3rd voice was probably the local controller or the supervisor that noticed it first
Everyone has been saying… over worked controllers are going to cause an accident…
Many ATC retired during the pandemic and they have a huge shortage. Need senior ones but it's not easy to be an ATC.
Did you hear the voices? Sounded like two black people. Affirmative action in the tower??
Or hiring people based off of color and gender instead of hiring people who are actually best for the job.
Statistically, these incidents or would've been incidents won't translate into any significant changes. There are so many flights in a day nationally nevermind globally, that a minor event like this is so statistically insignificant that it feels as casual as an incident with your local city bus. Social media highlights the recent major incidents with planes but I wager if you analyzed the "big data" coming out of the airline industry lately, you'll see nothing has changed. And if you need some anecdotal evidence that nothing will/has changed after these events, I just bought plane tickets earlier this week even after having seen these airline/plane incidents in recent news/social media lol.
Lol and I did also see videos of recent Boeing whistle blower before buying my tickets. So to the wall street investors, if you're looking for a solid bet, don't short the airline industry.
Pilot: "Tower, I have a number for you to call..."
LOL here before this blows up
Same
Did you hear the voices? Sounded like two black people. Affirmative action in the tower??
@@guyfawkesuThe1I see. So anytime a black person gets any job anywhere, it's affirmative action? And you're not racist at all, are you? No, of course not!
And what about all of the other near misses that we've had where it turns out it was white pilots and white ATC? What's the excuse there? Look, if you want to be racist, I actually prefer when people let me know. I like to know who I'm dealing with. But your racism should at least make sense, which it doesn't here.
@@guyfawkesuThe1 inferior brains
Flying has now become an extreme sport
Did you hear the voices? Sounded like two black people. Affirmative action in the tower??
@@guyfawkesuThe1Take your meds
my guy needs milk@@guyfawkesuThe1
There’s a channel called VAS Aviation on RUclips that regularly features ATC and pilot communications with graphics detailing the location and travel of the aircraft involved. I highly recommend it as the channel is often ahead of the game when it comes to these types of stories.
Thank you!
So, ATC messed up?
yes
DEI
@@melovetorun Cant be DEI as a controller. Take your pills.
@@melovetorun Bingo Wingo. Finally someone got it right.
Let me guess… DEI hires?
I don’t know, but he was definitely a trainee
Sure sounded like one?
@@crazyralph6386 Whoever was controlling did not use proper ATC phraseology. Sounded like someone got hired from the streets.
@@rogerbec5766 yep. you think this is bad, you should hear them at 911 dispatch?
@@crazyralph6386 Incompetence on steroids, that's America today.
2024 is not the year for aviation
The American Tenerife is coming.
Do you know anything about the Tenerife disaster? It helps to read.......I watch all the disaster shows......Pilot error because he took off without a yes from the tower. It was also a European airline who started telling pilots they would get in a lot of trouble if they didn't get back to their home port by a certain time.....The pilot who killed everyone was in the advertisements for his airline because he has such a good record........It was a whole lot of unusual events and it all could have been avoided if this airline didn't make a policy at the time which said something like pilots pay would be docked if they don't make it to their destination on time.That was the straw that broke the camels back.......I feel sorry for the poor air traffic controller there who normally gets few flights but all these jumbos were landing there because their was a bomb threat at another nearby popular tourist island.
@@karenmbbaxter
The American Tenerife is coming.
Less than 180 feet actually, according to VAS aviation
This year, my annual vacation is going to be a 36-hour drive instead of 4 4-hour flight.
Wow! What’s your A to B? That’s a lot of ground to cover!
That's stupid. There has been less than 5 deaths on commercial US domestic flights due to accidents since 2002. Air travel is still by far, the safest form of travel. According to the IIHS, there was 43000 deaths in 2022.... But if you want to drive, I guess have fun :x
@@Czimizumaybe that’s because there’s much more cars than planes. And by much more I mean MUCH MORE
Please drive. We don’t need an over anxious person on an airplane. I’m certain that your 36 hour drive will be smooth and free of any conflicts.
Which only means if there would be as much flying as driving with the safety of driving then there would be plane crashes everyday or so@@thatonerandomkid-r2n
aviation somehow becoming less safe by the day this year i guess
Not only do we have to watch out for improperly built Boeing planes, but now we also have to be on the lookout for clueless ATC controllers... It's only a matter of time for things to really get out of control.
@@philhenderson3516 Boeing needs US competition but also won't have any. If they didn't become a monopoly, and that's what they are, they'd be better.
Or the news is bringing more attention to it than before to get clicks. Though Boeing is a real problem
Biden's America
DEI and Boeing
didn't southwest just have a plane narrowly avoid hitting an atc tower in ny lol
yepper.
@@deebee3174 Yep Southwest was already stopping as they saw the Jetblue coming down the runway. Lots of layers of safety, but the swiss cheese holes will align eventually.
Actually, no although it was reported as such. It was another panicked, inexperienced controller acting irrationally. The Southwest aircraft didn’t even receive an “obstacle” warning in their cockpit. CNN reported falsely how close their proximity was to the the tower enhancing the bravado.
LOL?! And this is funny how, exactly?
so how can you have the clearance to take off from air traffic controller, and yet permission to cross active runway from ground controller...
You can’t. It sounds like this was a trainee and he just messed up
If they don’t have the staff then there needs to be less flights. People will just have to deal.
ATC jobs are one of the most stressful in the world. You literally constantly have peoples lives in your hands. It often gets hectic, and I can't even begin to imagine what that must feel like.
Boeing isn't the only one putting Safety in the backseat.
I’ll give the Swa pilots they were already stopping before being told of a controller makes a mistake , they get to go home , If a pilot makes an error they don’t
As a 30 year FAA controller, level 10-12, I can tell you that standards were absolutely lowered to improve diversity. They created a new base level for incompetence. In other words, “once lowered to improve diversity numbers, they stayed low for everyone.” I’m embarrassed by what has happened to my profession. I can also tell you there will be absolutely no consequences or retraining or addressing of the individual(s) at fault. The union, NATCA protects the weak, and the agency protects diversity.
These controllers sound incompetent
They certainly lack all ICAO standards and terminology. The ground controller sounded like she barely knew the phonetic alphabet???
I want to blame Boeing for this as one well.
However you can't, because it wasn't Boeing's fault.
ATCs are being overworked and underpaid and this causes error
Average salary is 137K, how is that underpaid????
@bob80q We are living in Biden era 137k is more like 80k especially in DMV
The FAA in 2012 went to using biographical information to hire candidates rather than training and talent assessment testing (the test that was released in court documents showed things like: You would get 1 point on your score for every high school sport you played, several points if you were unemployed, and surprisingly if you have a pilot's license or previous experience you get 0 points) The FAA is still paying for this blunder and during this time thousands of students paying for their own training gave up trying to get in and moved on with their lives. They probably are not "understaffed", they just don't have enough qualified controllers.
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Well, according to VASAviation, it was about 300 ft, which indeed is closer than 1000 ft.
Can they make a configuration that does not require a plane to cross a runway? That’s what I would do. Too dangerous.
As only exit and only entry is not bad ideas, just it will take lots of space. Not work on islands or mountains. And that exit may use as entry for emergency.
Not possible for most places. Runways are configured for wind and available space. This was an ATC issue. Thankfully Southwest was paying attention.
No or it would not be reasonable(add big taxing delays and additional costs to everybody).
if you look at reagan, not possible it's already practically in the river no room to grow
Clearly the thousands of experts who design these airports have never thought of this. You should present your innovative idea to the FAA.
Flying is unsafe at this point.
America’s ATC overworked while what should be our pay raises keep going to shareholders. Thanks Reagan.
Reagan has nothing to do with it
I hope they know @ 0:57 it's a flight simulator not a real incident...
This will become more frequent thanks to the DEI hiring efforts within the federal government. The FAA is an agency struggling desperately for qualified applicants but they are gonna go the other way on that one to fill the void.
It’s like Tokyo and Tenerife all over again
Ai needs to replace these inefficient human controllers.
I am surprised they didn’t say 2 Boeing planes had a close call.
Only one was Boeing
idc what anyone says ATC will never get paid enough
They make bank right now, you should enroll.
It's one of the most stressful jobs.
They are the one's that almost caused a crash
@@Christian-vq8rd It's why the aviation safety system is more of people watching their butt for their sake with safe guards in place. ATC is a job that has long hours and stress, while communicating with multiple people. You have to manage multiple planes and talk to the people managing multiple areas on radio. Where again 1 mistake can be tragic. Not a job many can and would apply for.
@trilight3597 I pray it doesn't take a tragedy for that to be fixed, but I'm sure it will.
“What went wrong”. Somebody fked up.
It's National Airport or DCA
I remember when I was flying out of DCA, they had cleared us for take off on a runway that intersected another...just as a plane was landing on that runway. Fortunately, I saw the plane and cut power before we got to far. DCA especially is a hyper congested airport that is seeing far too much traffic. They should have never opened up runway 4, and in my opinion, they should ether slash traffic and send it to BWI or IAD, or close the airport in its entirety. I loved flying in and out of it, but most pilots would agree its not really that safe of an airfield. As for staffing issues at ATC, that's the FAA's fault.
DEI at its finest!
Its only a matter of time before something worse happens
Careless
Would be hard for the Jetblue to know the Southwest was going to cross as they were cleared for takeoff, Southwest was not yet on the runway and they were cleared to cross on a different frequency than Jetblue was on. Although this is ATCs fault..Southwest should have cleared left and right before crossing. This was not actually as close as the media portrays, I think Southwest was already stopping.
Did you hear the voices? Sounded like two black people. Affirmative action in the tower??
No. It sounds like training in progress. Whether DEI or not? No clue
Yikes.
Not only do we have to watch out for improperly built Boeing planes, but now we also have to be on the lookout for clueless ATC controllers... It's only a matter of time for things to really get out of control.
No air traffic controllers are not clueless, the job responsibilities they have are greatly appreciated by the majority of the traveling public! Don’t know how they do it with the airspace as crowded as it is. Lot of respect for the job the do everyday!
@@jeroengo1896 Nobody is discrediting the job and I never generalized. I think most people are aware that it is a very difficult job where a simple error can lead to many lives lost. The reality is that this shouldn't have happened, no excuses, and the bells sounded years ago on what understaffing could lead to and the urgency to look after the health and well being of ATCs. It doesn't seem like the FAA or the government cares at all. They're just waiting for disaster to happen.
@@jeroengo1896 not clueless just over worked and tired.
The irony of this happening at Reagan National Airport lol
We’re about out of luck.
They should redesign airports with tunnels big enough for aircraft to go under runways instead of actually having to cross over the runway so accidents like this don’t happen
And you’ll pay the 300% surcharge….? Right!
And when it’s snowy and slippery…going up and down the topography required would be really easy in aircraft with no tread. Good idea.
You are beyond ignorant
"Something went amiss." The FAA have been given their marching orders. Less experience in the most important positions coupled with hastily built Boeing airplanes. Chaos will ensue. Fly at your own risk.
"Clear for take off... maybe"
30 years left airlines in 2020. Communist Covid Mandates. Who were we replaced with thousands of ( D.E.I) hires. You realize how much experience walked out the door in the Airline industry?. I would drive the next 5 years its just a matter of time .
Yet the dot secretary isn’t taking any responsibility and still in office. He should have resigned months ago for many transportation failures
Well well
Well
i saw it happen
Every time I turn on the news something has fallen off a plane or two planes nearly hit each other. Time to polish up my driving skills and look into train schedules
But flying is still WAY safer. More people have died in car crashes TODAY than have died in plane crashes in the US in 20 years. The last fatal airline crash in the US was 2009! If you’re afraid of flying, you’re letting the news’ constant reporting of EVERYTHING aviation related scare you. There is no reason to fear flying any more than you should fear walking down the sidewalk (which is statistically much more dangerous than flying also.)
@@ninerlives that's because the sky is much vaster than the road. but just imagine if the sky had just as much planes as cars on the road, there would be madness and chaos! no the fear of flying is justified as we are scared of heights and larger disasters
@CatholicForever1 Have you driven on the roads, lately? They are killing fields. People routinely going 30 - 40 mph over the speed limits everywhere. Weaving in and out of traffic, not stopping for stop signs or red lights. Flying commercial airlines in the US - Boeing and all - is 100 times safer.
@@DraynorManorcars have no safety to them, drunk sick people drive around in cars that are not properly checked. If we would take this safety record to the sky then we would hear of planes coming down everyday
this is 100% ATC fault
Don't worry folks - that's why they put brakes on aircraft. Good thing that they don't hire pilots based on characteristics other than ability like they do ATC personnel, right?
Uhhhh 😅
😢
Here lately I’ve seen so many plane issues that I have stopped all air travel late in 2023 and don’t plan on getting back for a while hopefully they get everything worked out are I will be traveling in car and ships 🤣
Don’t the pilots look left and right before crossing the street?
Yes but they use runway 4 for taxi often. And when an airplane is on a runway it can appear as if it is just taxiing initially.
@@drewleevy5420 ok copy 👍🏿
1000 foot. Holy cow. Staffing shortages?? Just let the pilots figure it out.
This was an ATC issue. News sites often mislead and scare. Ground controller (in control of directions on the ground) cleared Southwest to cross the active runway. Tower (in control of runways) cleared another plane for takeoff. In some small airports this could be the same person but isn't still since it's a lot of work. Even when cleared, best practice is to check the runway before crossing. Luckily Southwest was paying attention.
If you have no clue how this works, don’t even bother commenting
That’s a baaaaaad idea lol
MY LOCAL AIRPORT
It’s ok. We got clueless Mayor Pete as the Transportation Secretary…. Who doesn’t even know what his job entails.
First we got Boeing jet that could fall out from the sky anytime without notice and then this. Well I think I will take the sea and land transport at this moment.
It's obvious what went wrong. ATC work too many hours and they're tired. They work a thankless job. They need to increase wages and hire more ATC workers. There, I did the investigation for them!
I’m all for the pay increase. Daddy needs a new Camaro lol in all actually, you’re right. I just thought that was funny
Average salary is 137K, how much of an increase is enough???
It’s more than obvious what went wrong, we’re just not allowed to say it without getting cancelled or deleted.
Maybe less air traffic on small/short routes that require regional jets and instead improve the rail system. That might free up air space and congestion as well as ease up on air traffic controllers having to do overtime and close the gap on shortages. Would also be environmentally conscious as airlines are major contributors to environmental polution and global warming.
Many issues with that. Too much for a comment. But we can still discuss it. I agree to an extent but that wouldn't work like other countries. Cars and trucks are worse for the environment and airlines are the most environmentally aware since that is tied to their finances (aka fuel burn).
@@trilight3597wrong airplanes burn multiple times more fuel than going by car, bus, or train.
@@matthewbaynham6286 They do burn more fuel but again they are environmentally aware. The industry seems more eager to make changes here than most industries since again that's tied to profits. It's also the lowest of fruits to get since other options will take more time and money than most are willing to put into I'd wager.
@@trilight3597 aircraft travel about 500 mph cars travel about 80 mph. With aerodynamics when you double the speed the energy need is quadrupled. So if the speed is 6 times faster the energy needed is 36 times more.
In comparison to cars, airplanes go really fast and consume massive amounts of fuel.
@@matthewbaynham6286 What are you trying to argue? I agree with you that they burn more. Those numbers don't help your case. I'm also not looking just at fuel burn either.
Thank god nothing happend otherwise all of your avg peeps would have started finger pointing at Boeing🤣🤣🤣
Thanks Boeing (s)
Boeing had nothing to do with it clown
Diversity, equity, and inclusion strikes again.
Nope, it's understaffing and overwork. Take your useless comment elsewhere.
@@ThriftyCHNR sorry that the truth hurts
@@crazyralph6386 If you listen to the facts, you would have heard that too few staff are working too hard and too many hours. Does being overly inclusive affect quality control/safety? Sure it does. But that is secondary to what is going on here.
SC just ruled against DEI. Public safety demands merit is critical positions.
ATC failing again i think AI would be better then these humans
lol have you seen AI, it's rarely correct/factual.
Then you haven't looked into AI, which is really pattern identification and replication at best. You'd have more accidents.
Yeah, ok buddy 😂
It’s a shame Boeing doesn’t care anymore
Pete Buttigeig's America. 🙁
trump stinks!💩. I mean he really really stinks!!💩💩🇷🇺🇷🇺
EXTREMELY Good Point !!!
You try to blame this non-emergency on a political party, but do you know what we can blame on a political party? Our generation of republicans attacked the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow the government. They're literal traitors.
It's been messy since he took over. You don't even see or hear from him.
Either you are a bot or just extremely stupid.
Failed nation.
They both sound like DEI air traffic controllers.
What does that even mean? They aren't white?
Truth
Racist found
Those controllers sure don't sound let's just say normal and professional with a bit of ghetto in their voice tones. Weird huh?!!
Diversity hires..
If you listen to the ATC’s voice, it will all make sense
Why are there so many such incidents this year alone?!?! And why are almost all of them in the US?!?! I know they have a lot of air traffic, but Europe and Asia high traffic too especially in airports like LHR, AMS, DXB, HKG and CDG, but no notable close calls have been reported from there
The US hires DEI
Bunch of babies. Diesel mechanic here. We been in a shortage since 2012z way before nurses, teachers or anyone at the Airport who works there.
as long as there is racial and gender inclusion in the atc tower and cockpits, this is progress
that has nothing to do with this
@animegamingdude
Oh yes it does! Totally diversity hires. Go look at United and who they are recruiting for pilots! Here's a clue: It's not based on merit! Good luck flying....
@@animegamingdudeguess again!
@@crazyralph6386 so you have proof that this happened because of dei