Perfect timing as Always..i was wondering how classes were doing and there he goed supa with the video just when needed!! Love the content as Always!!!
@@neverloved228 oh i dont do pvp, just some casual stuff - no one i know does it. Like to watch from time to time but thats about it. Feels like some minigame for ultimate sweats - not worth the time
I’ve actually been having so much fun this xpac shockingly I’m a heal main and I’ve gotten my 2100 on each healer. My problem now is I want to play dps but I just have no patience for the 20+ min q times it’s awful.
@ they aren’t raid bosses at all lol if you play a dps you need to setup a situation where you can get a kill. If healers just flop instantly they would be pointless.
The queue popt at 31 min. I am done lol. Was fun while it lasted. I wasted my evening by playing 3 shuffles so about 40/50 min play time and over 1 hour queue time. Waste of time imo. I check back on venruki's channel to see if things get better in next seasons/expansions.
It’s incredibly telling in the data that folks are looking for pretty brain dead specs even opposed to specs that are better but more complex to play. Either they reduce the difficulty of some specs or fix the matchmaking so people can get proper practice outside of a training dummy.
I just want Disc to have chastise, a mobility CD like door of shadows and undispellable mind games that actually does something. I know it does well in aggregate but one of the most played specs and horrifically boring to play now compared to other expansions.
Doesn’t matter what the best class is. If you don’t play a healer you don’t get in games. Just cancelled my sub because of it. I might try and play a bit more but blitz and shuffle are unplayable as DPS. Hopefully blizzard reads your comments and sees they’re losing business
HPal imo is a huge problem. 30 second CD magic ranged cheap shot, Repentance is spammable like cyclone, low cooldown freedom, two lay on hands, bop and bubble like always, never runs out of mana, most of its healing comes from instacast holy shock and word of glory, high mobility on demand. What the hell dude.
@BreakingChad3 They're so easy to play around that they're on the first healer spot for months. When I'm playing my hpal after my rdruid, I feel like a superhero
@fitnrescue Disc priest has almost identical representation as Holy Paly. They are good but they are super super susceptible to CC and kicks. And swap to them and punish them when they come in for a HOJ on your healer.
These damn meta vids need to take a hike, i fully believe they are what is ruining the game. It creates a game of people chasing certain classes and specs, which is a garbage game style.
@@spots8060 If you go to timestamp 3:11 when he is on the flavor of the month page, you can clearly see, hunter, melee x3 on top... Did you zug right past the whole first half of the vid?
it does not matter what you play. there are no people playing pvp so you will have 30 min quess, and hard stuck at 1600 rating. unless your a ex glad or rank 1. that is all
they gotta give BM, Fury, Aff, SP slight livelord nerfs.... bring up rsham, rdruid, and hpreist...Rdruid HOTs are so useless in this fast paced unga bunga meta.
Wild take. Hpriest have never been a pvp class, never will be or should be. Rdruids are insane, must be a skill issue. Rshams also insane, must be a positioning with links issue. If rdruids get any stronger hots, Ill just quit. Lets make them a god class IG that can just escape anything, perma root disorient with dps's, stealth rake stun your healer off resets into cyclones without worrying cause hots can give that tempo and lets just go back to the past 4 xpacs where magnus war/rdruid was rank 1 for everything.. and droods made up 40% of above 2200 rating across all roles lmao. Tell me x without telling me type shit.
@@englishheart8320 Yep. You chose a pve spec, have fun pushing mythic+ brother. I wouldnt expect a +15 key invite playing my feral lmao.. Im just not that big a piece of shit that the world has to revolve around me, I understand the grey area's exist in this game we call world of warcraft. Certain classes and specs do certain things, its always been this way since vanilla. You can que as hpriest, no one is stopping you... No one is stopping you from playing disc the spec thats meant for pvp either though. If you enjoy playing something bad and practically trolling your team, thats on you.. but dont expect the dev team to take the go to o.g pve heal spec and rework it into a pvp powerhouse and completely break down the entire game and tempo causing cataclysmic devastation across both pve/pvp competitive scenes and 20+ years of design philosophy.
And fury, ret is hard? Ahahaha for new players most classes will be hard to learn. Saying that BM is only easy class to play is a joke. Just when it comes to traps it gets semi complicated compared to wars, rogues, DHs. Those are classes that i have played, plus mage, priests, druid. There are tons of people getting duelist in solos as war and claiming that only thing you have to focus on is dmg lol And claimimg that BM is easyest of them all is just wrong! Most melees are joke with 3,4 buttons and burst macros, cmon. Today played some as BM and devastation, wars, rets had much more dmg than BM and still lost. Just because they were dumb enough to let hunter to kite em and to los their heals..
the hard part of melees is that if u overextend and lose position against a good caster comp you just die. With BM you just can spam dmg from a safe position and u dont have to even land a trap to win games.
Nah rogue's are WAY harder them BM hunters. I agree with the other ones though. Learning how to kite and get good cc chain going is semi complicated. Still if classes had like a hard to easy label, BM would definitely by in the easy category. You shouldn't care about it though, just play what you enjoy in the end all classes start to feel easy with enough hours played.
10:38 the enhance statistic doesn’t apply since all 9 of them are Bigdam
Pretty crazy how all the enhance mains but 1 are too trash to succeed
Bigdam actually has TWENTY of the top 21. With Saul having the remaining one.
Love your coverage of the state of classes in pvp. I'm just returning and it's really helpful
Perfect timing as Always..i was wondering how classes were doing and there he goed supa with the video just when needed!! Love the content as Always!!!
Surprised there is any actual PvP data to analysis, with batch size more that usuall 20 PvP players worldwide on 200 alts
😂
I think we have 150 gladiators.. 50 random..
Stop coping dude :) If u got rekt on 1800 doesnt mean its was someone's alt lmao
@@neverloved228 oh i dont do pvp, just some casual stuff - no one i know does it. Like to watch from time to time but thats about it. Feels like some minigame for ultimate sweats - not worth the time
I LOVE assassination rogue. My favorite spec for several xpacs now.
I’ve actually been having so much fun this xpac shockingly I’m a heal main and I’ve gotten my 2100 on each healer. My problem now is I want to play dps but I just have no patience for the 20+ min q times it’s awful.
With healers becoming raid bosses, no wonder it’s easy to question and easy to gain mmr lol
@ they aren’t raid bosses at all lol if you play a dps you need to setup a situation where you can get a kill. If healers just flop instantly they would be pointless.
Just play what you want to play. Youll find fun in it and find ways to win. Dont meta chase!!!!
Great advice 👍
Hey what is better between feral and ret pala ? I don't know which one pick any help please ?
How they can found that statics ? What the webpage name ?
24 min queue ret pale 1900 rating on a Sunday evening. Game or at least pvp is dying. Any other arena like competetive games out there in the ether :>
The queue popt at 31 min. I am done lol. Was fun while it lasted. I wasted my evening by playing 3 shuffles so about 40/50 min play time and over 1 hour queue time. Waste of time imo. I check back on venruki's channel to see if things get better in next seasons/expansions.
There are none unfortunately. Ring of Titans was an option...but it's even more dead.
Path of exile 2 is good, but not an arena game
Arms Colossus is really fun now imo.
Outlaw rogue really surprised me, that's all i see above 2400mmr
with the current queue time in solo shuffle and finding a grp in m+, not sure how wow is surviving
I haaaate the amount of holy paladins I come across man. Only one out of 50 know how to rotate cds and position themselves correctly
It’s incredibly telling in the data that folks are looking for pretty brain dead specs even opposed to specs that are better but more complex to play.
Either they reduce the difficulty of some specs or fix the matchmaking so people can get proper practice outside of a training dummy.
I always said havoc was fine. They always do pretty well in lobbies. Defs anti caster.
what website is this, so i can see this myself instead of someone reading it for me
i believe its drustvar. but not sure.
Aug is almost unplayable for a reason. All those "oneshot" stuff would not work above 1600.
Blizzard fix Q - Times! 😢
Awesome
I just want Disc to have chastise, a mobility CD like door of shadows and undispellable mind games that actually does something. I know it does well in aggregate but one of the most played specs and horrifically boring to play now compared to other expansions.
Doesn’t matter what the best class is. If you don’t play a healer you don’t get in games. Just cancelled my sub because of it. I might try and play a bit more but blitz and shuffle are unplayable as DPS. Hopefully blizzard reads your comments and sees they’re losing business
I have concluded that holy priest is miserable go play, its broken until 30% damn then it takes 4 serdinipties to full heal someone from 40%
Saul....f'ing saul....
HPal imo is a huge problem. 30 second CD magic ranged cheap shot, Repentance is spammable like cyclone, low cooldown freedom, two lay on hands, bop and bubble like always, never runs out of mana, most of its healing comes from instacast holy shock and word of glory, high mobility on demand. What the hell dude.
Most hpals run like 15% versatility and the range on hoj isn't long. Repentance breaks on damage clone does not
They are pretty easy to play against
@BreakingChad3 They're so easy to play around that they're on the first healer spot for months. When I'm playing my hpal after my rdruid, I feel like a superhero
@fitnrescue Disc priest has almost identical representation as Holy Paly. They are good but they are super super susceptible to CC and kicks. And swap to them and punish them when they come in for a HOJ on your healer.
These damn meta vids need to take a hike, i fully believe they are what is ruining the game. It creates a game of people chasing certain classes and specs, which is a garbage game style.
Stop it, its already dead !
The easiest specs should never be above B tier. Warrior, dk, enh etc
I can smell hard-stuck 1500 on you.
Warrior, dk, and enhance are easy? You’re crazy
Dead
Whats on top? OH hunter, melee, melee, melee, gotcha, so no changes then... WOLRDOFMELEE FORVER!
are you blind? spriest and lock are above all melee rn lol
It’s gross how the easiest specs are allowed to be the strongest too, world of melee
@@spots8060 Did you not watch the video?
@@Almostoogood yes that's why I left my comment lol
@@spots8060 If you go to timestamp 3:11 when he is on the flavor of the month page, you can clearly see, hunter, melee x3 on top... Did you zug right past the whole first half of the vid?
it does not matter what you play. there are no people playing pvp so you will have 30 min quess, and hard stuck at 1600 rating. unless your a ex glad or rank 1. that is all
they gotta give BM, Fury, Aff, SP slight livelord nerfs.... bring up rsham, rdruid, and hpreist...Rdruid HOTs are so useless in this fast paced unga bunga meta.
Wild take. Hpriest have never been a pvp class, never will be or should be. Rdruids are insane, must be a skill issue. Rshams also insane, must be a positioning with links issue. If rdruids get any stronger hots, Ill just quit. Lets make them a god class IG that can just escape anything, perma root disorient with dps's, stealth rake stun your healer off resets into cyclones without worrying cause hots can give that tempo and lets just go back to the past 4 xpacs where magnus war/rdruid was rank 1 for everything.. and droods made up 40% of above 2200 rating across all roles lmao. Tell me x without telling me type shit.
@@austin4990 wild take indeed, I should stop playing pvp on my main because its not a pvp class......lol
@@englishheart8320 Yep. You chose a pve spec, have fun pushing mythic+ brother. I wouldnt expect a +15 key invite playing my feral lmao.. Im just not that big a piece of shit that the world has to revolve around me, I understand the grey area's exist in this game we call world of warcraft. Certain classes and specs do certain things, its always been this way since vanilla. You can que as hpriest, no one is stopping you... No one is stopping you from playing disc the spec thats meant for pvp either though. If you enjoy playing something bad and practically trolling your team, thats on you.. but dont expect the dev team to take the go to o.g pve heal spec and rework it into a pvp powerhouse and completely break down the entire game and tempo causing cataclysmic devastation across both pve/pvp competitive scenes and 20+ years of design philosophy.
@@austin4990 lol mate you really care...
And fury, ret is hard? Ahahaha for new players most classes will be hard to learn. Saying that BM is only easy class to play is a joke.
Just when it comes to traps it gets semi complicated compared to wars, rogues, DHs.
Those are classes that i have played, plus mage, priests, druid. There are tons of people getting duelist in solos as war and claiming that only thing you have to focus on is dmg lol
And claimimg that BM is easyest of them all is just wrong!
Most melees are joke with 3,4 buttons and burst macros, cmon.
Today played some as BM and devastation, wars, rets had much more dmg than BM and still lost. Just because they were dumb enough to let hunter to kite em and to los their heals..
the hard part of melees is that if u overextend and lose position against a good caster comp you just die. With BM you just can spam dmg from a safe position and u dont have to even land a trap to win games.
@aelejaga3780 are you serious? Have you ever played anything competative?
The huntard is mad lol
Nah rogue's are WAY harder them BM hunters. I agree with the other ones though. Learning how to kite and get good cc chain going is semi complicated. Still if classes had like a hard to easy label, BM would definitely by in the easy category. You shouldn't care about it though, just play what you enjoy in the end all classes start to feel easy with enough hours played.
@Tixsi11 agree, finally a comment with a sense. BM for me have a good flow, sub super fun if played with supportive team and if you have good timing.
Ench Best in PVE , worst in pvp!
The fuck does ench mean?