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Italy got some Chinese buses and they burn and broke by themself, and the strange part is that only one city sent an ispector before buying them (and they didn't close the deal, because buses were defective). Now we have hundreds of buses that can't circulate anymore.
I'm proud of Japan's Shinkansen. Most notably, it's perfect safety record. When people were saying China's rail system will surpass Japan's, first they need to surpass the safety record. Good luck with that lol.
Hasn't there only been 1 faster train crash? Like a new crewman disabled the brakes accidentally or something like that? I may be thinking of a different country though so idk
I've never been to Japan and never will be. But I don't need to see Japanese railway to believe you. Japan started with nothing but ruins, a bunch of generators, and determination. And today they are lead manufacturers of auto-moto transport. I know that even when I buy the cheapest possible Japanese car or bike - I get a reliable and powerful machine. Made in Japan automatically translates to "quality" in most people's minds. From the medical equipment to an airbrush. Even a god damn omron mouse switches. China just buys companies, gut them, and use their tech in their own brands. Like they recently did with volvo. As soon as they bought volvo the quality dropped sharply. They always cut corners. Always cheat. Made in China sticker translates to "crap" in people minds. So no wonder that railways quality differ so much between those two countries. Everything else does as well.
Japan's HSR - Shinkansen has not had any passenger fatalities due to train accidents such as collisions or derailments, since it began operation in 1964. China's HSR - Too many passenger fatalities and accidents to keep count, since it began operations in 2007.
And, when incident did happen with Japanese railways, everyone in the nation knows about it. In China, if you ask your neighbour about what happened, they'll tell you stop spreading fake news made by foreign countries.
It always amazes me how you buy into propaganda. You know there are hundreds of people cranking this crap out because you want to here it. Go to the 15 city's the size of NY and ride there trains travel there freeways and ports and fly into space. We don't even have a rocket anymore.
When the Philippines had decided to make our 1st subway we were choosing between Japan and China. Primary problem that many people in the country pointed out for subways is how it would answer the problem of floods. Japan showed how they did it in their country which many were impressed. China ironically lose the bid after it came out in the international news that during flooding in China there were people in their subway that were trapped and drowned and worst the victims had videos showing to the world the water coming in the subway trains in China. So it became a no brainer to pick Japan as the one who is now making our subway system. Also the low interest payment and every Filipino knows the high quality of Japanese infrastructures.
The wise Philippines did not succumb to the Chinese bribery offensive and made the right choice for its people. In recent years, however, Indonesia reversed its plan to build a Japanese bullet train and signed a contract with China after China offered very low prices and bribes. China took advantage of the very careful geological surveys that Japan had done up to that point. Of course, Japan was very disappointed by this betrayal. It was recently completed, but the original budget was far exceeded and the delivery date was far behind.
Still no subways in the Philippines. And the railways there are decades old crap. The Japanese are all frustrated by the ugly reality with no light ahead in vision.
A story I heard about 8 years ago was of a UK medical equipment supplier that let a manufacturing contract to a Chinese contractor. This was for a type II \ III device that required very high quality design and manufacturing and was highly specified. They spent GBP100,000 on the manufacturing run. When they did a random break down and testing of the device they found that the manufacturer had substituted a capacitor with a lower spec. device. They had to scrap the whole production run and learnt a very expensive lesson in the process. It's that sort of lack of integrity that does a huge amount of damage to China's reputation. China has had massive opportunities and support over the last few decades which it has squandered. It has only itself to blame.
I work in the medical life science manufacturing field in the US. We have 0 china made parts. We have parts from Japan, Thailand, korea(the good one), Germany. But not a single china made component.
They scrapped a whole device over a capacitor? What, none of them could solder a new capacitor? Your story is too far fetched and devoid of any common sense, your dismissed.
I have travelled on both the Chinese fast rail and the Japanese fast rail. They are different experiences. To get on the China trains you really need a Chinese national to make the bookings for you. It is very unfriendly for foreigners to access. Every ride is precluded by endless queues of 'security checks' most of which are fake x-ray scans. In Japan I purchased one pass, which gave me unlimited Japan Rail travel everywhere, without a single security checkpoint. In one 3 week period I made maybe 50 Shinkansen connections, without any delays or problems. Most Shinkansen trains were 16 carriages long, running every 10-15 minutes. It is the real deal that China would want to be like, but will never achieve.
And it doesn’t even consider the massive fatality rate of the construction workers who lost their lives through poor conditions and quality issues in the process of making these “infrastructure” in a few weeks time, human life is less important than saving face to show of to the world
I dealt with Chinese manufacturing on a professional level for over 30 years. The short version of my experience is that everything they make is shit. There is no pride of workmanship or quality ethic, so covering up shortcuts and lying about it is standard. I was advising my bosses to not ever use China suppliers for anything, and if they did they'd have to place a non-Chinese QA professional on-site permanently. Unsurprisingly, even that really wasn't sufficient - nothing but problems from day one.
I had the exact same experience with Russia. I saw a x-ray manufacturer making defective, ie leaking radiation, machines, that the head of the company acknowledged could only be sold to third world companies . Actually, I think that was in the Czech Republic in 1992, but the same principle applied in Russia.
I was the first to bring Chinese apothecary jars to the US. Often they’d be mis shaped, broken, bloody, or filled with sea water and they were always dirty or cloudy. China is just one big landfill.
The Western overlords took and dismantled industries and set them up in China. Western people were sent over to rebuild and teach the Chinese how to run the factories etc. China is still getting aid from us as it comes under a "developing country ". They also paid no tax on exports /imports for decades.
When the build quality for even your flagship projects is only up to the "It will look great in pictures and media for the grand opening" standard, 10-15 years down the line, Entropy is gonna wink and nudge and result in a lot of people dying.
Even worse: if quality has declined, then the wave of failure will be concentrated. 20y old with ~20y lifespan and 10y old with ~10y lifespan are due around the same time.
>>> look great in pictures and media ... I strongly suggest them to make 3D animations (in which I am specialized in writing OpenGL simulations), to boost their achievements, rather than killing innocents just for the sake of their pride.
Remember that show on USA television about the one-week home makeovers? The reports of Chinese building construction remind me of those projects they did on the show. I had a friend who worked on one in our area and the M.O. was do it fast so that its completed on time, within the budget, and we meet the T.V. production schedule; construction standards were secondary. The home started falling apart a few months after the T.V. crew left for the next filming location.
Now take that one project and turn it into a nation the size of the US. And it is all done to look good so China can show the world how great it is...and 6 months later it falls apart.
As a VP of R&D, we foolishly moved packaging and test of some of our semiconductor chips to China. In order to meet self imposed quotas, they shipped product on time, however there were no "chips" in the package. When we confronted the GM of manufacturing in China, the only thing he could say was "we met our quota." He had no concept of quality.
Well I'm finding the opposite to be the case. As an example, there is an EAO switch, supposedly made in Switzerland, that costs $53 each on Digikey. I found the identical switch in China for $7.70 each. I tore it open to verify internals. Same switch, so I suspect EAO is having the switch made in a Chinese factory. My profit margin by buying direct is about to skyrocket. Another switch, a key switch from C&K is only available with a certain key cut in a volume of 10,000 units. A similar key switch from China can have custom key combinations in quantity as low as 25pcs on a 1000 pc order. American manufacturers are cutting their own throats by not offering customizations without exorbitant purchase volumes.
The last time I rode a train in China I had asked one of the people I was traveling with why the train was only going 180km/hr, as this train in particular was hyped as going much faster. I was told that the government ordered all rail to travel slower until further notice due to a very bad train accident that occurred the week before... which was the second time in the past few months this had happened.
Thats surprising. When I was in Nanjing in 2018 the trains there worked perfectly. They were always on time and a ride did cost only 8 yuen (1€). In fact the train system worked a lot better than here in Germany where every 2. train is delayed or canceled. I never had to drive in high speed trains though. All were regional ones. Maybe this is an problem exclusive to high speed trains?
@@liebuster9308 "The train network is huge and new, so it is normal that accidents may happen." More like lie spreader 9308: fuck-ups are not a function of a technology's age and implementation scale, they're a function of the people involved.
@@liebuster9308 Accidents are not normal on HSR, not even new systems. There has only been one HSR accident with fatalities outside of China where the train was operating on HSR track and at speed and two other accidents with fatalities involving HSR trains but were not operating on HSR track or at HSR speeds at the time. Those were on Spanish and German rail networks where HSR trains hop on and off non HSR track fairly regularly. Shinkansen, TGV, Eurostar and Acela have never had a fatality on their service.
I have heard rumours of china working on high speed rail outside of china and it scares me i know how shoddy the infrastructure is there and don't want it spreading
Yes, The China Show is awesome! Some of the pieces covered in it are absolutely hilarious. I let some people at work listen to some of it and they were absolutely floored by hearing the info about China painting grass and attaching fake leaves to bare trees. They just couldn't believe the absolute idiocy of the Chinese Govt. I highly recommend it.
Speeding is the main reason. The original Tech-Transfer Agreement with Mitsubishi Heavy Industry Japan limited the speed China was allowed to operate the hi-speed trains at 300 km/h But China operated them at 380 km/h, drawing power up to about 4 times of the original design rating. As a result, the overloading led to sudden hault in the 2011 disaster.
This makes a lot of sense. Bureaucracies don't always observe technical limits. Prime Example was the Challenger Shuttle launch. NASA and Reagan wanted a talking point for the "State of the Union" address. Morton-Thiokol said "We have had some near misses because of the O-rings" due to low temperatures. The customer is always right, so up went the Shuttle, down went the Shuttle.
And even then it’s unacceptable, it’s been an standard rule in the HSR book across the world that 300km/h is the sweet spot, but I guess China wants to be ahead so badly that they compromised lives in the process
India and Vietnam are building Japan's exact 1:1 Shinkansen HSR systems. The pace is a bit slow, Indonesia got it's Chinese HSR earlier. But with Japanese tech, systems, training transfer i know that India and Vietnam are getting the best safety and quality HSR systems
Little Pinks love to bring up the "failure" of Japan's build in India and Vietnam (mostly because of land acquisitions on the recipient nation end) compared to the Bandung WHOOSH, even though the build in Java has been plagued with quality control issues throughout its lengthy construction process.
They will take 50 Years to complete it. There is no debt trap by china. It's all jealousy and bitterness. Indian project have moved only 10kms in the last 4 years. Indians are lazy and dumb Japanese have no innovation and adventure.
I remember seeing the 2011 fast train derailment on one of the first China Uncensored clips. It gave me the realisation that the China Uncensored site wasn't gratuitously bagging China. It was just showing us what was really going on.
You ever hear of Geo engineering it is real... and its everywhere. Also they took all of our old industries away from the West and dumped them into China by design.
mostly all the best looking photo in china is click after rain , as all the dust and pollution get down for few hour. but for most of the they are always gray
I was talking with an Australian engineer. He identified a problem, which I think is key. He'd be in a meeting and some engineer or another would make a proposal ABC. It would be a good idea, but then the boss in the meeting would say "I think we should do XYZ". Everyone would bow their head and go off to do XYZ. There would be no debate, they just do what the boss says no matter what.
@@jasonscottjenkins China changed completely every 3 years. These clowns were doing anti national activities in China. In North Korea they skin alive these types of people who compromise their sovereignty. Ask Julian assange and Edward Snowden. China simply asked these clowns to leave the country.
I worked for a US manufacturer and we were the official supplier to both CNR and CSR (the state-owned manufacturers of China's high speed trains). But they somehow, knowingly, purchased some fake local products that pretended to be our brand in order to receive kickbacks. Of course we reported the case to the highest level and all they did was trying to cover it up. In the end, none of the trains produced with the fake parts (including some exported to Australia) were ever recalled. (and I am sure we were NOT the only fake parts on those trains)
They bought fake products. But your company isn't even mad, is it? Please prove what you said. But Kawasaki Heavy Industries, a Japanese company, admitted faked quality inspection in the past 38 years
Old video on 2011. Only one crash of HSR in millions trips. The number of trips, commercial mileage and riderships already exceeded that of Japan and Europe COMBINED.
As an aside. My dog developed itchy skin and sores. I used a fungicidal cream, which had some effect but the redness did not fully clear up. So I threw away my packets of "pig in blankets", "duck pieces", "chicken pieces" - all Chinese-sourced dried meat pet foods. Two weeks later my dog is completely healthy again. My friend's dog still itches all over, and today I advised that she throw away all her chinese-sourced pet food, and she is doing so. She asked what she might use for treats instead, and I replied "small pieces of cheese, pieces of the meats we eat, bits of butter, bits of lard, or no treats at all.". Better that our dogs stay healthy than give them toxic treats .... Sad that we have to do this, and the people of china are in my prayers.
Pet treats and food here in the US, that isnt sourced from China, is still pretty trash too. The best thing you can do for your pet is just make their food and treats at home. The ingredients are stupid simple, will cost 1/4 of the price of the high-end "Natural" dog foods/treats, and you are able to really tailor it to what your fur friend needs for nutrition that is specific to their breed.
when I have a rough couple days, I watch your videos guys and say to myself "it really could be much worse, I could be at home, drinking someone's urine in the beer I bought"
“Off the rails” 😆 but it’s been said they’re using high levels of fly ash in their steel rails. As that disintegrates, we’ll really see those trains off the rails. It’s a party on every track.
They are married to Chinese women. Funny things is they talk so much about China all the time not about America or South Africa. China lives rent free in their head....LOL F.Y.I their videos are kinda cool though...
Hmmm, sounds somewhat similar to Li Keqiang's economic and national growth strategies. I wonder whatever happened to him? He must've been on one of these trains... 🤕
Government should just be the referee in the game of commerce. Tweaking and enforcing the rules of the game, so the playing field stays fairly level......
You know, I often complain about how there's little to no train service where I live, how the rail network is nowhere near as good as it once was in the first half of the 20th century, how slow trains are compared to Eurasia, but then I see China, and I realise that it could be a whole lot worse. (I'd still love a rail network in the country like Japan's though.)
I would love a good passenger train system. When I was 8 or 10 years old my Mom and I used to ride the train across the US to visit relatives. I still remember when you flushed the toilet you could see the railroad ties going by through the hole in the bottom of the toilet. Back then every town of even a few thousand people had a train station where you could get on a train and go anywhere.
Sad to say, but rail has been a black hole for money for more than a century at this point. When rail was at its peak, it was there because it had no real competition for the scale it operated on; it was competing with horse and cart for people/cargo transfer. As private motor vehicles (both cars and trucks) got better the advantage of trains was lessened until it was no longer profitable to run rail. Add to that needing private transport to even access rail and you can understand that rail is (apart from niche uses) dead.
To get a sense of why China's hsr network is turning into such a boondoggle: Imagine building a rail-line from Casper, Wyoming, to Topeka, Kansas. China has been building HSR lines in places that will never see enough passenger traffic to justify the costs.
in countries whose passenger rail is falling apart, the government is heavily criticized and forced to work to improve infrastructure quality and urgent repairs, this isn't possible in China, wait and see how big of a disaster it will become
@@cathjj840 the end-user price of something does not change between publicly and privately funded. Its just that publicly funded things things can have their end-user price obfuscated by making everybody pay for it by adding it to their taxes. ie instead of charging the 10 people who use it $100 each, you can tax 1000 people $1 each and pretend its "free."
I had no idea that the makers the game Runescape has made a spin off from Runescape called Hellscape. I have tried to find the game called Hellscape on steam games and epic games ect...with absolutely no luck at all. I'd appreciate it if you could tell where I can purchase the game Hellscape? Pardon the pun but Hellscape seems like a hell of a game to play.
Haste makes waste. Sure China built a giant high speed rail system but the quality is what matters. The tolerances for every aspect of this system have to exact to achieve and maintain these high speeds. Any small deviations will cause vibrations, which will end in catastrophe. The maintenance of the rails, to the cars and engine alone, are crucial for safe travel. Other infrastructure such as bridges and banked turns are also critical. These are issues that must be of top priority and not overlooked. China has a bad habit of jumping before they look. I'm afraid they are lacking it the quality of their ability to run and maintain these systems and we will see their shining jewel become severely tarnished and dangerous as time goes on.
I'm from Indonesia, so Indonesia finalized the agreement for the high speed rail at 2015 to China. The reason why Indonesia government choose China than japan because 1. Transfer technology, we want to make our own train, not a market for other countries, especially for old train. Why we know this? Indonesian have worked together with Japan for producing car from 1972 and surprise, 50 years later and still no technology transfer from japan to Indonesia for car and motorcycle. 2. The train Japan want to sold to Indonesia is an OLD TRAIN, with low speed, only 300 km/hour that japan HAVE STOP using and now use new technology, and even that, they don't want to share the old technology, a 2010 train, but China will sell a new 2012 train they still use with maximum speed 380 km/hour and a new technology that can withstand earthquake and make less noise 3. Japan want to use Business to Government partnership but Indonesia only want to Business to Business. Japan want government funding, but Indonesia don't want to, we want pure business About quality I think it's good but not sure about that, I mean I'm using Chinese phone (Xiaomi) now, and it's already 5 years and still functioning perfectly, but I don't know about train. Lol even I myself curious, let's just see, Indonesia will be an experiment lab for Chinese train, if it going under after 5 years or less, then it will be an expensive but good lesson for us, but if after 15 years or more and there's no problem, then Chinese technology is good, and we will use more of Chinese technology
This is the Ningbo-Wenzhou high-speed rail accident in 2011. I wonder if you can't find any material that can smear China recently. So the accident from 12 years ago
I can relate to these stories, however unimaginable they may sound to the Western audience. I have been dealing with Chinese since about 1990 and traveled around China from 2003 until 2013 many times on long business trips. Not drinking Champagne in suites but actually traveling all over the country to obscure places where the production was taking place, often under inumane conditions, especially in the north. I can confirm that everything our boys are revealing about China is true, and they actually seem to be holding back. Maybe they have become so used to it that they focus on different anomalies in Chinese society, but anyway it is a lot worse than pictured here.
@hydronpowers9014 I hate having to admit that. Our train lines that aren't brand new are notorious to train enthusiasts world wide. I'm not a train guy but a good buddy is and he's flown to a few countries to ride the oldest rails still in service and he says those antique trains and rails are somehow more comfortable than the cali-new York route
When I lived in Asia, if you wanted quality construction, you imported a foreign construction team. Australian companies in the Philippines did it all the time. Build time was faster, and quality was exceptional. Construction in China was laughable, and the lack of safety considerations, even during building demolitions (BOOM) was non existent. I was almost killed during a building coming down in Shenzhen that had no warning signs that an explosion was coming.
You are completely wrong! Tofu dreg infrastructure is exactly what western investors want to invest in because it is the gift that keeps on giving! Western investors can enjoy extra profits from the money that is skimmed off of the original construction budget. Then, when the tofu dreg infrastructure, collapses, western investors can benefit from the money skimmed off of the repair budget, over and over again! What’s wrong with that? It’s not like any real people suffer. Sure, you might say that Chinese people suffer, but the CCP considers all non-CCP members to be cockroaches so in reality no real people suffer.
Not really 😂 I’ve delt with several clients that have lost a shit ton in China the people scraping profits off the budget are the Chinese people that are running the projects, they enjoy delicious meals and expensive hookers!
@@jaybong6008 Don’t forget that Western investment banks make huge transaction fees off of Western investors pouring their money into these tofu Greg infrastructure projects.
@@pootispiker2866 I dictate my replies, using the voice recognition feature of my iPad. Sometimes I don’t go back in correct all of the spelling errors. I find it somewhat ironic that you’re asking me to spend more time correcting the spelling of my comment about tofu DREG construction (which, as far as I know, won’t, in itself, kill anybody), then the CCP officials spend in making certain that the substandard construction won’t collapse and kill non-CCP Chinese people.
Not paid by China, but I like the high speed trains. I have ridden them down in the Shenzhen and Guangzhou area a lot. It is nice to get on a high speed train. Not saying anything about their debt, or stability, or safety, but the trains I was on did not crash and were nice.
You are gambling with your entire life every time you do that. If you have a single shred of intelligence, you will never go back to china. This video isnt even scratching the surface on how dangerous, unhealthy and unsanitary china is. If you know whats good for your health, your life and your morals dont ever go back to china
Can you imagine how mentally draining it must be to first figure out how to clean that mess up then how to redo it all just to have to wait to do it all over again
I always laugh when people try to bring up China's rail system as some kind of own against the US all like, " if China could do it, why can't the US." Well, first, China didn't do it, not without too many casualties at least, and I hardly consider that a success.
Distance and (population) density reign supreme. Most 'successful' high speed rail systems operate between large population centers that are located relatively close to each other. That's also one of the reasons that much of the conventional passenger rail in the US exists on the coasts and the corridor between Chicago and the East Coast.
@@Eggster68yeah, America's rail networks are also focused around cargo movement, and a lot of the US doesn't need rail to move its cargo because it has got easy access to the sea, the Great lakes, or the Mississippi river and its navigable tributaries, and thus can just use boats to ship their goods around.
I know Zhang Heqing was part of a China state sponsored media when I took a look at all of his tweets (or posts) about China and finding out that some of it looks like it was made with AI and some others look like extremely cherry-picked for propaganda. I found out about him just because I found out from a friend of mine, Zhang has posted a video of one of my friends that is learning in China, praising China about everything in what I could think of as an attempt to suck up to the CCP regime. My friend group all laughed at this tweet, but I'm thinking at that point; What will happen when he returns to our home country? Will he return to his old self or become a CCP bootlicker? Or will he even return at all?
7:38 The reason they chose rail was because they wanted to replicate what happened in Japan. Unfortunately cheap copies of high speed rail results in catastrophic failure.
One of my pet peeves is when people advertise VPNs but don't really give that much info on the said product. What it's main purpose is, does it keep logs, login/payment options and what protocols are available and so on I'm not trying to throw shade or anything, this is just I've noticed ever since people on yt started advertise VPNs . I'm a long time watcher and enjoy your content so keep it coming, you and serpentza are my go to channels when it comes to China
You gotta understand that these products are being marketed to people who are not leet af. What absolutely should be a thing is not saying shit like "this will protect you from hackers!!"
@@kphaxx also where where the stated VPN company operates is a huge deal. I wouldn't use yet alone buy one that is based in the US since they have to comply US laws. I get that they are probably given a script to read off of but still. Nonetheless I enjoy Laos and serpentzas content
China should have consulted with Japan on how to build high speed rails. As of today, November 19, 2023, Japan has never had a derailment or fatality in its 55 year history of their high speed rail system.
China would never lose face by asking for help. China can do everything better than anyone else. Meanwhile, china steals ideas and processes through espionage to keep up. If they don't get accurate or complete information they just wing it. Close enough.
Japan and US are considered enemies in China. Even at young age, kids are brainwashed to hate Japan and the US with a passion. Getting help from an "enemy" like Japan is unthinkable.
The Concrete Confessional blog guy has some insane stories about being an educational consultant for the children of China's elite politicians / businesspeople/ celebrities. The first part is called "I Was Simon Song," and he talks about the ominous political shifts of recent years in it, as well. It's def worth checking out. He was in Shenzhen during the COVID lockdowns, the A4 protests, and the pro-democracy riots in Hong Kong, too.
Our government is proud that we are the first country in Southeast Asia to have a high-speed train... from China. That is worrying. They want to expand more across Java Island, even though the new high-speed train only operated for one month.
Exactly. You are very smart. In the eyes of developed Western countries, the Indonesian government made a very stupid decision. Halfway through it reneged on its promise to build a bullet train with Japan in favor of one made in China at a lower price (though it ended up being much more expensive). There are probably big bribes from China behind the scenes. More worrying is that many Indonesians are willing to accept them. In addition, there are people who join the Chinese in making fun of Japan for its disappointment. The Indonesian people need to elect a government that takes the long view and makes serious policies for the people.
@@lordmashiefrom poorly maintained slope causing landslide in increment weather, overseas railways have a much stringent control on slope construction and railway construction to make sure chances of such disaster is minimized or at least be predictable
Look, you lived in China, traveled all over the place, and you survived. You didn't get blown up, derailed or imprisoned, and you are obviously not being censored. Why is there this radical difference between what you experienced in China vs what you are saying about it now outside of China? Is there anything that the Chinese are doing right? You have complained a lot about what is going on in China, do you have a better idea? Where are you going with this hate? China has about the same landmass as the U.S., but with about 4 times as many people. Under the circumstances it looks like the Chinese are doing pretty good. Imagine what would happen if Americans woke up tomorrow to discover 4 times as many people to accommodate.
Context is king when talking about millions, billions & trillions: 1 million seconds is 12 days 1 billion seconds is 31 _years_ 1 trillion seconds is 31, 688 _YEARS_ When we hear our governments throwing around terms like billions & trillions none of us can truly comprehend how much money that is... or how much they're skimming off the top for themselves & their associates
My only criticism of this video is featuring footage of the Shinkansen in the background. It is the complete opposite of the Chinese system, never having a fatal accident in the history of its operation. Yeah I get most people wouldn’t know and it doesn’t diminish the message behind the video but as a fan of the Japanese railway system, it’s something I noticed immediately.
The F-35 Fighter Jet is pretty expensive, but what makes it really expensive is the operating and ongoing maintenance cost. The same goes for infrastructure projects. It's not just the upfront costs, but how usage and maintenance costs are balanced out.
i think they also get contracts to run foreign country's public transport. like SWT in the UK is run by Hong-Kong Metro and has been terrible since they got the contract. i am guessing they are owned by China. these must be obtained on the reputation of how they run in Hong-Kong..
as someone who was living there, I cannot agree more, locals hate MTR for poor management of HK metro, from delays to train problems due to using Chinese made trains, most actual HKers also hate the shitty government for oppressing dissent and other unacceptable behavior that run the place into the ground, and many have left that place since then
6:32 I gotta correct you, Cyberpunk as a setting describes a yes, dystopian society, where recent rapid advancements of technology created a wealth divide between corporate elite and the poor. The poor in cyberpunk settings are portrayed in a rebellious anti-authority manner because of the rocky societal transformation due to extremely powerful technological advancements, that usually only the wealthy can afford. It's not, by definition, post-apocalyptic.
Fellow Californian here: I think the problem is wanting a train to do roughly 220 miles an hour, when 110 would’ve been more than sufficient. At 110, it’s a lot easier to build rails that will handle that speed, and it’s still faster than driving a car.
But we are confident and honest enough to admit failure and try again. The Chinese are incapable of that. Their silly face saving culture binds their hands and clouds their judgement.
well, the advantage of high speed train is for shorter travel time against planes in sub 1000km journeys, especially if the train terminates at city center, what Britain recently did with HS2 caused me to face palm in shame for their short sightedness
Irony (in the case of any form of infrastructure [road or rail] going through a building) here is that Japan did that first with a highway that goes through a building. If you see a video on that (the Japanese highway going through a building) before all the propaganda then you're even more immunized against it and realize, "hey, they aren't first".
Wow. Us dumb old 'Muricans always build our buildings beside the road. I guess China's ahead again. Who would of thought that buildings were to run trains and cars through instead of for people to live and work in? Damn.
I wonder if the train going through an apartment building thing is because of Disney World. It loos the same as the way the monorail goes through one of the resort hotels. I thought it was insanely cool when I was a little kid.
Ive been watching you and Serpent since before covid and i used to want to come ride motorcycles with you two and exolore the country but it seems that in a short time China has really changed into a terrible place. I no longer have any desire to go there. Its really a shame. I do enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work!
The way I understand it, Taiwan is more like the old China than the PRC. They didn't have a cultural revolution to erase 5,000 years of Chinese history.@@SupremeGreatGrandmaster
Chinese infrastructure is the national equivalent of taking a picture of your model bridge a second before it collapses and then bragging about how good you are at building to your classmates.
There was a point where Japanese and even German tools were the epitome of poorly made. And now, many tradesmen here in the US prefer them to even the few domestic (made here) tools. I would like to see "Made in China" be associated with quality as well, however, I do not see that happening. Ever.
Most of the time American made tools are superior, but most American brands have now either completely outsourced to China and Mexico, or source components or raw materials from China.
It already happened, ancient chinese wares and craft were luxury items in the roman empire, their ancient industry produced the finest paper and textiles among other goods also gunpowder for fireworks and some military application.
Certainly, I can share a story without copying it. Imagine being on a packed train in China, heading to a bustling city. The carriage was overcrowded, filled with people standing in every available space, making movement nearly impossible. The air was stuffy, and the heat seemed unbearable due to the sheer number of passengers. The journey that was supposed to take a few hours turned into an endurance test. Passengers were visibly uncomfortable, and it was challenging to find any relief from the cramped conditions. The constant noise and lack of personal space made it an exhausting and frustrating experience. Despite the discomfort, the resilience and adaptability of everyone onboard were notable. People found ways to pass the time, sharing snacks and engaging in conversations, trying to make the best out of a challenging situation.
The sad thing though is that many people would talk bad about Japan's HSR rail projects in other countries after one country had open their Chinese made HSR rail line. Like in Indonesian HSR for example, in every video about their HSR, you will see many comments throwing shame to Japan HSR projects abroad. They didn't know the problems Indonesian HSR had during it's construction and why it was delayed. Other than covid, one problem was Indonesian engineers saw many structural problems like misalignment of the supports that is why they ordered China to fix it also another problem of the delay was the derailment of one of their construction trains causing deaths. Also the scary thing was due to delay the government told the Chinese contractor to speed up the project more which caused some stations to not yet finished construction when it opened. I don't know if they knew this but it is not really good to hasten Chinese projects.
I love China’s “ You’ve bought my Soul “ initiative, wait…I mean “ Belt and Road initiative “. Which is still, using the proper phrase can’t be considered as nothing more than a scam to take advantage of countries that are in dire need of infrastructure. The sad part is they have to accept the fact that Chinese builders are the ones installing the infrastructure. If they get a little homework, they would realize that that is a huge mistake because now China has built you a road in a city out of Lego blocks and cow dung and the country is now indebted to China for Billions, Whether it be natural resources or money or whatever, but China owns that country now.
All mechanical devices need constant maintenance. Sadly, the bean counters don't factor in that cost so things run until they bresk. Unfortunately, big stuff breaks in a spectacular fashion and may result in unnecessary injuries and death.
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Italy got some Chinese buses and they burn and broke by themself, and the strange part is that only one city sent an ispector before buying them (and they didn't close the deal, because buses were defective). Now we have hundreds of buses that can't circulate anymore.
its american fault ofc... what else
laowhy86, keep exposing dictator Xi and his Chinese dictatorship for what they are.
For the algorithm
Comrade Railway is a weakling.
I'm proud of Japan's Shinkansen. Most notably, it's perfect safety record. When people were saying China's rail system will surpass Japan's, first they need to surpass the safety record. Good luck with that lol.
I noticed the footage of the Shinkansen in the background and immediately thought it was the opposite of all the systems covered in the video.
Hasn't there only been 1 faster train crash? Like a new crewman disabled the brakes accidentally or something like that?
I may be thinking of a different country though so idk
Even through 9.0 earthquakes. Nobody touches Japan’s Rail engineering!
I've never been to Japan and never will be. But I don't need to see Japanese railway to believe you.
Japan started with nothing but ruins, a bunch of generators, and determination. And today they are lead manufacturers of auto-moto transport. I know that even when I buy the cheapest possible Japanese car or bike - I get a reliable and powerful machine. Made in Japan automatically translates to "quality" in most people's minds. From the medical equipment to an airbrush. Even a god damn omron mouse switches.
China just buys companies, gut them, and use their tech in their own brands. Like they recently did with volvo. As soon as they bought volvo the quality dropped sharply. They always cut corners. Always cheat. Made in China sticker translates to "crap" in people minds.
So no wonder that railways quality differ so much between those two countries. Everything else does as well.
Japanese people take pride in their work unlike.....
Japan's HSR - Shinkansen has not had any passenger fatalities due to train accidents such as collisions or derailments, since it began operation in 1964.
China's HSR - Too many passenger fatalities and accidents to keep count, since it began operations in 2007.
And, when incident did happen with Japanese railways, everyone in the nation knows about it. In China, if you ask your neighbour about what happened, they'll tell you stop spreading fake news made by foreign countries.
It always amazes me how you buy into propaganda. You know there are hundreds of people cranking this crap out because you want to here it. Go to the 15 city's the size of NY and ride there trains travel there freeways and ports and fly into space. We don't even have a rocket anymore.
lol how long has the Shinkansen been around? Chinese HSR started in 2008
@@iamsheep Are you blind? He has written it started in 1962(He mentioned wrong date)
The pride has been beaten out of the Chinese, such a stark contrast to the Japanese.
When the Philippines had decided to make our 1st subway we were choosing between Japan and China. Primary problem that many people in the country pointed out for subways is how it would answer the problem of floods. Japan showed how they did it in their country which many were impressed. China ironically lose the bid after it came out in the international news that during flooding in China there were people in their subway that were trapped and drowned and worst the victims had videos showing to the world the water coming in the subway trains in China. So it became a no brainer to pick Japan as the one who is now making our subway system. Also the low interest payment and every Filipino knows the high quality of Japanese infrastructures.
The wise Philippines did not succumb to the Chinese bribery offensive and made the right choice for its people. In recent years, however, Indonesia reversed its plan to build a Japanese bullet train and signed a contract with China after China offered very low prices and bribes. China took advantage of the very careful geological surveys that Japan had done up to that point. Of course, Japan was very disappointed by this betrayal. It was recently completed, but the original budget was far exceeded and the delivery date was far behind.
Still no subways in the Philippines. And the railways there are decades old crap. The Japanese are all frustrated by the ugly reality with no light ahead in vision.
@@catinbootsnow4267 It's ok, we understand, you are still a kid that is why you talk like that.
Vietnam and India are still waiting for the Jap HSR. Another two decades maybe?
@@keurikeuri7851You do know that Pinoy are not highly regarded in SE Asia because of their association with the West. Not the bright spark...
A story I heard about 8 years ago was of a UK medical equipment supplier that let a manufacturing contract to a Chinese contractor. This was for a type II \ III device that required very high quality design and manufacturing and was highly specified. They spent GBP100,000 on the manufacturing run. When they did a random break down and testing of the device they found that the manufacturer had substituted a capacitor with a lower spec. device. They had to scrap the whole production run and learnt a very expensive lesson in the process. It's that sort of lack of integrity that does a huge amount of damage to China's reputation.
China has had massive opportunities and support over the last few decades which it has squandered. It has only itself to blame.
Funny China is now dominating the entire EV industry
Where I work, any precision equipment brand from china is permanently boycotted by default.
we learned that the hard way unfortunately.
Yes , don’t buy any China products
I work in the medical life science manufacturing field in the US. We have 0 china made parts. We have parts from Japan, Thailand, korea(the good one), Germany. But not a single china made component.
They scrapped a whole device over a capacitor? What, none of them could solder a new capacitor? Your story is too far fetched and devoid of any common sense, your dismissed.
I have travelled on both the Chinese fast rail and the Japanese fast rail. They are different experiences. To get on the China trains you really need a Chinese national to make the bookings for you. It is very unfriendly for foreigners to access. Every ride is precluded by endless queues of 'security checks' most of which are fake x-ray scans. In Japan I purchased one pass, which gave me unlimited Japan Rail travel everywhere, without a single security checkpoint. In one 3 week period I made maybe 50 Shinkansen connections, without any delays or problems. Most Shinkansen trains were 16 carriages long, running every 10-15 minutes. It is the real deal that China would want to be like, but will never achieve.
How dare you question China's High-speed AI 5G Expertise 😂
@@norihiro01 Oh no, now I have that stupid AI 5G song playing in my head. (curse you Laowhy86!)
Sounds like US air travel. I haven't flown anywhere in almost 20 years. If I can't drive there, I don't go.
This is the kind of thing that is in my mind everytime someone says something like "China can build whole railways or skyscrapers in a week"
And they are unusable or uninhabitable, it's all smoke and mirrors.
And it doesn’t even consider the massive fatality rate of the construction workers who lost their lives through poor conditions and quality issues in the process of making these “infrastructure” in a few weeks time, human life is less important than saving face to show of to the world
The CCP is great at pretending, actual substance or quality doesn't exist in "Xi's Thoughts." 🤕
Instant tofu
They can build it in a week, but it collapses in a week too
I dealt with Chinese manufacturing on a professional level for over 30 years. The short version of my experience is that everything they make is shit. There is no pride of workmanship or quality ethic, so covering up shortcuts and lying about it is standard.
I was advising my bosses to not ever use China suppliers for anything, and if they did they'd have to place a non-Chinese QA professional on-site permanently. Unsurprisingly, even that really wasn't sufficient - nothing but problems from day one.
When you know, you know.
Méiwèntí, Méiwèntí !
没问题 差不多了
I had the exact same experience with Russia. I saw a x-ray manufacturer making defective, ie leaking radiation, machines, that the head of the company acknowledged could only be sold to third world companies . Actually, I think that was in the Czech Republic in 1992, but the same principle applied in Russia.
I was the first to bring Chinese apothecary jars to the US. Often they’d be mis shaped, broken, bloody, or filled with sea water and they were always dirty or cloudy. China is just one big landfill.
The Western overlords took and dismantled industries and set them up in China. Western people were sent over to rebuild and teach the Chinese how to run the factories etc. China is still getting aid from us as it comes under a "developing country ". They also paid no tax on exports /imports for decades.
When the build quality for even your flagship projects is only up to the "It will look great in pictures and media for the grand opening" standard, 10-15 years down the line, Entropy is gonna wink and nudge and result in a lot of people dying.
Made in China has Always been synonymous with cheap materials and even worse quality. Why would their HSR be different.
10 years? If only they lasted that long
Even worse: if quality has declined, then the wave of failure will be concentrated.
20y old with ~20y lifespan and 10y old with ~10y lifespan are due around the same time.
>>> look great in pictures and media ...
I strongly suggest them to make
3D animations (in which I am specialized in writing OpenGL simulations), to boost their achievements, rather than killing innocents just for the sake of their pride.
I’m really sorry about the future of the Chinese people. The suffering they’re soon going to go through is beyond the sorrow we know.
冒昧问一下，你来过中国吗？
I have and I'm not impressed. People smoke inside restaurant, right underneath the no smoking sign. 😂 No pride, no integrity.
中国人谢谢你的好心，但这一切都是谎言！
Remember that show on USA television about the one-week home makeovers? The reports of Chinese building construction remind me of those projects they did on the show. I had a friend who worked on one in our area and the M.O. was do it fast so that its completed on time, within the budget, and we meet the T.V. production schedule; construction standards were secondary. The home started falling apart a few months after the T.V. crew left for the next filming location.
Now take that one project and turn it into a nation the size of the US. And it is all done to look good so China can show the world how great it is...and 6 months later it falls apart.
The twins that produced a show intended to inflate housing prices back to their pre-2008 standing?
I can confirm your friends story because I also worked on one of those houses.
As a VP of R&D, we foolishly moved packaging and test of some of our semiconductor chips to China. In order to meet self imposed quotas, they shipped product on time, however there were no "chips" in the package. When we confronted the GM of manufacturing in China, the only thing he could say was "we met our quota." He had no concept of quality.
I assume the "chips" you received looked like the real thing but turned out to be trash and unusable?
So they stole the chips to resell in China and sent empty packages?
Quality? There isn't even a product…
Similar thing happened to our business here in the UK. Almost broke our company... or maybe that was the aim...?!
Well I'm finding the opposite to be the case. As an example, there is an EAO switch, supposedly made in Switzerland, that costs $53 each on Digikey. I found the identical switch in China for $7.70 each. I tore it open to verify internals. Same switch, so I suspect EAO is having the switch made in a Chinese factory. My profit margin by buying direct is about to skyrocket. Another switch, a key switch from C&K is only available with a certain key cut in a volume of 10,000 units. A similar key switch from China can have custom key combinations in quantity as low as 25pcs on a 1000 pc order. American manufacturers are cutting their own throats by not offering customizations without exorbitant purchase volumes.
The last time I rode a train in China I had asked one of the people I was traveling with why the train was only going 180km/hr, as this train in particular was hyped as going much faster. I was told that the government ordered all rail to travel slower until further notice due to a very bad train accident that occurred the week before... which was the second time in the past few months this had happened.
Thats surprising. When I was in Nanjing in 2018 the trains there worked perfectly. They were always on time and a ride did cost only 8 yuen (1€). In fact the train system worked a lot better than here in Germany where every 2. train is delayed or canceled.
I never had to drive in high speed trains though. All were regional ones. Maybe this is an problem exclusive to high speed trains?
That would be enough reason to avoid them like the plague! Did you finish your travel by train?
@@liebuster9308 "The train network is huge and new, so it is normal that accidents may happen."
More like lie spreader 9308: fuck-ups are not a function of a technology's age and implementation scale, they're a function of the people involved.
So, don't ride the HSR since it's normal to have accidents because 'it was new'? That's quite a logic there.
@@liebuster9308 Accidents are not normal on HSR, not even new systems. There has only been one HSR accident with fatalities outside of China where the train was operating on HSR track and at speed and two other accidents with fatalities involving HSR trains but were not operating on HSR track or at HSR speeds at the time. Those were on Spanish and German rail networks where HSR trains hop on and off non HSR track fairly regularly. Shinkansen, TGV, Eurostar and Acela have never had a fatality on their service.
High-speed train derailment is pretty terrifying to say the least. Holy crap, imagine being on that.
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SPlat
Being on that!?!? Imagine GETTING HIT BY THAT
I have heard rumours of china working on high speed rail outside of china and it scares me i know how shoddy the infrastructure is there and don't want it spreading
Yes, The China Show is awesome! Some of the pieces covered in it are absolutely hilarious. I let some people at work listen to some of it and they were absolutely floored by hearing the info about China painting grass and attaching fake leaves to bare trees. They just couldn't believe the absolute idiocy of the Chinese Govt. I highly recommend it.
Speeding is the main reason.
The original Tech-Transfer Agreement
with Mitsubishi Heavy Industry Japan
limited the speed China was allowed
to operate the hi-speed trains
at 300 km/h
But China operated them at 380 km/h,
drawing power up to about 4 times
of the original design rating.
As a result, the overloading led to
sudden hault in the 2011 disaster.
Why are you making what you write look like a poem? It makes it hard to read.
@@lainiwakura1776how is it hard to read? Just read it
This makes a lot of sense.
Bureaucracies don't always observe technical limits. Prime Example was the Challenger Shuttle launch. NASA and Reagan wanted a talking point for the "State of the Union" address.
Morton-Thiokol said "We have had some near misses because of the O-rings" due to low temperatures.
The customer is always right, so up went the Shuttle, down went the Shuttle.
And even then it’s unacceptable, it’s been an standard rule in the HSR book across the world that 300km/h is the sweet spot, but I guess China wants to be ahead so badly that they compromised lives in the process
@@jamallabarge2665 the customer is always right in matters of taste, that was just a bunch of chicken-shits letting people die.
My assumption: China will try to push all the cost to foreign investors, domestic private investors while paying government officials.
That's more a conclusion based on previous patterns than an assumption.
Wow, you can spot basic patterns. Congrats! 🤣
That's genius
India and Vietnam are building Japan's exact 1:1 Shinkansen HSR systems. The pace is a bit slow, Indonesia got it's Chinese HSR earlier. But with Japanese tech, systems, training transfer i know that India and Vietnam are getting the best safety and quality HSR systems
And they don't want to run in China's debt trap
And they are honest developing nations❤
Little Pinks love to bring up the "failure" of Japan's build in India and Vietnam (mostly because of land acquisitions on the recipient nation end) compared to the Bandung WHOOSH, even though the build in Java has been plagued with quality control issues throughout its lengthy construction process.
They will take 50 Years to complete it. There is no debt trap by china. It's all jealousy and bitterness. Indian project have moved only 10kms in the last 4 years. Indians are lazy and dumb Japanese have no innovation and adventure.
@@quantumgoddess7870 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
I remember seeing the 2011 fast train derailment on one of the first China Uncensored clips. It gave me the realisation that the China Uncensored site wasn't gratuitously bagging China. It was just showing us what was really going on.
Tofu trains, tofu bridges, tofu buildings, tofu country 🤣
I've often noticed that the skies in China are gray. Rarely do you see blue skies. The air pollution must be hideous.
Even the tree and grass not much looking green.
They have made a new term for this "Light pollution" exclusively for China
They spray paint them.
You ever hear of Geo engineering it is real... and its everywhere. Also they took all of our old industries away from the West and dumped them into China by design.
mostly all the best looking photo in china is click after rain , as all the dust and pollution get down for few hour.
but for most of the they are always gray
They built everything so fast they didn't stop to consider safety standards.
Oh they considered it, and then they decided it wasn't cost effective.
Either that or the money for safety features goes into someone's pocket.
They considered it, looked at it and just threw it out the window
I was talking with an Australian engineer. He identified a problem, which I think is key. He'd be in a meeting and some engineer or another would make a proposal ABC. It would be a good idea, but then the boss in the meeting would say "I think we should do XYZ". Everyone would bow their head and go off to do XYZ. There would be no debate, they just do what the boss says no matter what.
Safety standard is just optional and suggestive in China.
Cutting corners is considerd a good way to "build fast" there.
Runners that were cutting corners during marathon events was a big national problem.
Bro, just found you and Serpentza's channel. You guys are🔥Keep up the awesome work
They are paid agents by the west to spread hate about China
I started watching these guys a few years before they left china. they know what they are talking about.
@@jasonscottjenkins China changed completely every 3 years. These clowns were doing anti national activities in China. In North Korea they skin alive these types of people who compromise their sovereignty. Ask Julian assange and Edward Snowden. China simply asked these clowns to leave the country.
@@jasonscottjenkins no they don't
@@jasonscottjenkinsstop simping, you know nothing.
I worked for a US manufacturer and we were the official supplier to both CNR and CSR (the state-owned manufacturers of China's high speed trains). But they somehow, knowingly, purchased some fake local products that pretended to be our brand in order to receive kickbacks. Of course we reported the case to the highest level and all they did was trying to cover it up. In the end, none of the trains produced with the fake parts (including some exported to Australia) were ever recalled. (and I am sure we were NOT the only fake parts on those trains)
They bought fake products. But your company isn't even mad, is it? Please prove what you said.
But Kawasaki Heavy Industries, a Japanese company, admitted faked quality inspection in the past 38 years
Old video on 2011. Only one crash of HSR in millions trips. The number of trips, commercial mileage and riderships already exceeded that of Japan and Europe COMBINED.
Corruption screws everyone, regardless of country.
Indeed
Yep and China has the most corruption out of possibly every country. So Chinese corruption is the worst👍
As an aside. My dog developed itchy skin and sores. I used a fungicidal cream, which had some effect but the redness did not fully clear up. So I threw away my packets of "pig in blankets", "duck pieces", "chicken pieces" - all Chinese-sourced dried meat pet foods. Two weeks later my dog is completely healthy again. My friend's dog still itches all over, and today I advised that she throw away all her chinese-sourced pet food, and she is doing so. She asked what she might use for treats instead, and I replied "small pieces of cheese, pieces of the meats we eat, bits of butter, bits of lard, or no treats at all.". Better that our dogs stay healthy than give them toxic treats .... Sad that we have to do this, and the people of china are in my prayers.
Pet treats and food here in the US, that isnt sourced from China, is still pretty trash too. The best thing you can do for your pet is just make their food and treats at home. The ingredients are stupid simple, will cost 1/4 of the price of the high-end "Natural" dog foods/treats, and you are able to really tailor it to what your fur friend needs for nutrition that is specific to their breed.
@@Judah_StroyerI've never seen a dog get sores from U.S. based food goods.
I don’t see what the big deal is. They feed all the dogs in China anti freeze. It sweetens and tenderizes the meat.
@@stephenkolostyak4087 The regulations for pet food and treats are very bad, so it's better to make your own anyways.
Don't use USMade food either as they use Chinese ingredients.
when I have a rough couple days, I watch your videos guys and say to myself "it really could be much worse, I could be at home, drinking someone's urine in the beer I bought"
The only beer I ever bought produced in China was all super frothy suds with little small curly hairs all through it. Fool me once XiXiPee...
As long as it's not a Tsingtao ...
Right? At least we don’t live in China.
They left the people inside the trains and just buried them?!!?? Dear God WTH is wrong with these people??
They are Chinese.
This situation is off the rails.
“Off the rails” 😆 but it’s been said they’re using high levels of fly ash in their steel rails. As that disintegrates, we’ll really see those trains off the rails. It’s a party on every track.
you serpentza and even prozzie should be chinas #1 spokesperson, with how much you guys have such a deep love in your heart for the country.
They are married to Chinese women. Funny things is they talk so much about China all the time not about America or South Africa. China lives rent free in their head....LOL F.Y.I their videos are kinda cool though...
Only a "real economy" can survive and thrive. It has to arise from and by the people, not from "top down" structure by government.
Hmmm, sounds somewhat similar to Li Keqiang's economic and national growth strategies. I wonder whatever happened to him? He must've been on one of these trains... 🤕
Real free economy VS Fake controlled economy. The ccp will insist they got the best system by making up numbers.
If only we knew this before Build Back Better and the prior “Shovel Ready Projects”!
😊😊😊😊😊
Government should just be the referee in the game of commerce.
Tweaking and enforcing the rules of the game, so the playing field stays fairly level......
You know, I often complain about how there's little to no train service where I live, how the rail network is nowhere near as good as it once was in the first half of the 20th century, how slow trains are compared to Eurasia, but then I see China, and I realise that it could be a whole lot worse. (I'd still love a rail network in the country like Japan's though.)
I would love a good passenger train system. When I was 8 or 10 years old my Mom and I used to ride the train across the US to visit relatives. I still remember when you flushed the toilet you could see the railroad ties going by through the hole in the bottom of the toilet. Back then every town of even a few thousand people had a train station where you could get on a train and go anywhere.
Sad to say, but rail has been a black hole for money for more than a century at this point.
When rail was at its peak, it was there because it had no real competition for the scale it operated on; it was competing with horse and cart for people/cargo transfer. As private motor vehicles (both cars and trucks) got better the advantage of trains was lessened until it was no longer profitable to run rail. Add to that needing private transport to even access rail and you can understand that rail is (apart from niche uses) dead.
As soon as airplanes got faster than trains the handwriting was on the wall, sadly.@@elLooto
To get a sense of why China's hsr network is turning into such a boondoggle: Imagine building a rail-line from Casper, Wyoming, to Topeka, Kansas. China has been building HSR lines in places that will never see enough passenger traffic to justify the costs.
And most Chinese people can't afford to use them anyway...!
I think it's part of the military preparation as well
@hybridmems I don't see how. HSR is designed with passengers in mind because heavy cargo will just slow it the heck down
@@ScrumpyWingnuts201 train traks are used to move military vehicles and ammo around very fast, they are a big thing in almost every war
@@hybridmemschina isn't able to fight a war so no need to prepare.
Most governments subsidize their passenger rail, but most rail systems don't fall apart in the process.... :D
in countries whose passenger rail is falling apart, the government is heavily criticized and forced to work to improve infrastructure quality and urgent repairs, this isn't possible in China, wait and see how big of a disaster it will become
Right. In places where they have been privatized, those are the ones that are shitty. And expensive
@cathjj840 except japan and maybe south Korea, and sometimes europe
@@lsp6032 UK they're bad. Labour wants to renationalize, and well they should. Germany's not great - I think they're partly privatized
@@cathjj840 the end-user price of something does not change between publicly and privately funded.
Its just that publicly funded things things can have their end-user price obfuscated by making everybody pay for it by adding it to their taxes. ie instead of charging the 10 people who use it $100 each, you can tax 1000 people $1 each and pretend its "free."
I'm absolutely disgusted that Nusome would allow the leader of this hellscape to walk on his States land so freely and welcomed.
It's what this regime has in mind for America
I had no idea that the makers the game Runescape has made a spin off from Runescape called Hellscape. I have tried to find the game called Hellscape on steam games and epic games ect...with absolutely no luck at all. I'd appreciate it if you could tell where I can purchase the game Hellscape? Pardon the pun but Hellscape seems like a hell of a game to play.
He needs Chinese money for his presidential run next year. Winnie the Pooh can assure him the support of Chinese hackers.
Blame Nixon for legitimizing the CCP in the global stage.
@@peterlyall2848 the word scape as in landscape when you destroy the land it becomes a hellscape
Haste makes waste. Sure China built a giant high speed rail system but the quality is what matters. The tolerances for every aspect of this system have to exact to achieve and maintain these high speeds. Any small deviations will cause vibrations, which will end in catastrophe. The maintenance of the rails, to the cars and engine alone, are crucial for safe travel. Other infrastructure such as bridges and banked turns are also critical. These are issues that must be of top priority and not overlooked. China has a bad habit of jumping before they look. I'm afraid they are lacking it the quality of their ability to run and maintain these systems and we will see their shining jewel become severely tarnished and dangerous as time goes on.
I'm from Indonesia, so Indonesia finalized the agreement for the high speed rail at 2015 to China. The reason why Indonesia government choose China than japan because
1. Transfer technology, we want to make our own train, not a market for other countries, especially for old train. Why we know this? Indonesian have worked together with Japan for producing car from 1972 and surprise, 50 years later and still no technology transfer from japan to Indonesia for car and motorcycle.
2. The train Japan want to sold to Indonesia is an OLD TRAIN, with low speed, only 300 km/hour that japan HAVE STOP using and now use new technology, and even that, they don't want to share the old technology, a 2010 train, but China will sell a new 2012 train they still use with maximum speed 380 km/hour and a new technology that can withstand earthquake and make less noise
3. Japan want to use Business to Government partnership but Indonesia only want to Business to Business. Japan want government funding, but Indonesia don't want to, we want pure business
About quality I think it's good but not sure about that, I mean I'm using Chinese phone (Xiaomi) now, and it's already 5 years and still functioning perfectly, but I don't know about train. Lol even I myself curious, let's just see, Indonesia will be an experiment lab for Chinese train, if it going under after 5 years or less, then it will be an expensive but good lesson for us, but if after 15 years or more and there's no problem, then Chinese technology is good, and we will use more of Chinese technology
This is the Ningbo-Wenzhou high-speed rail accident in 2011. I wonder if you can't find any material that can smear China recently. So the accident from 12 years ago
I can relate to these stories, however unimaginable they may sound to the Western audience. I have been dealing with Chinese since about 1990 and traveled around China from 2003 until 2013 many times on long business trips. Not drinking Champagne in suites but actually traveling all over the country to obscure places where the production was taking place, often under inumane conditions, especially in the north. I can confirm that everything our boys are revealing about China is true, and they actually seem to be holding back. Maybe they have become so used to it that they focus on different anomalies in Chinese society, but anyway it is a lot worse than pictured here.
I knew someone who worked there from 2007 to 2012 or there-abouts, wouldn't stop raving about how fucked up the cities were from pollution.
一本正经的胡说八道
@@user-dn8cv6cz7s 简体中文？ 哦，你为哪个共产党官员工作？
@@stephenkolostyak4087 你呢？你为哪个党工作？
@@user-dn8cv6cz7snice try Zhang go collect your fifthy cent
German steam powered Kreiglocs (War Trains) from WWII built to last 10 years are still in operation til this day. You can see them on RUclips.
Same with the UK, US, and some in India.
Learn to spell. It's KRIEG not kreig, you little fool
Funny how Elon Musk (il han ma) praised China's train infrastructure
lol I was thinking the same when I saw the title
Elon Musk's family jewels are held by Xi, he cannot speak his mind.
To play devil's advocate, they _do_ have a """better""" passenger train infrastructure than the US without a shred of care of safety. 😂
@hydronpowers9014 I hate having to admit that. Our train lines that aren't brand new are notorious to train enthusiasts world wide. I'm not a train guy but a good buddy is and he's flown to a few countries to ride the oldest rails still in service and he says those antique trains and rails are somehow more comfortable than the cali-new York route
Well, he wants to play nice with the CCP. He doesn’t want any government to get in the way of mars
When I lived in Asia, if you wanted quality construction, you imported a foreign construction team. Australian companies in the Philippines did it all the time. Build time was faster, and quality was exceptional. Construction in China was laughable, and the lack of safety considerations, even during building demolitions (BOOM) was non existent. I was almost killed during a building coming down in Shenzhen that had no warning signs that an explosion was coming.
And the result is that Philippine will still be a sh*thole in the long run meanwhile Laos and Indonesia already got their train system improved.
@@songhanshan9843 Philippines will always be a sh*thole because of the corruption of the past is still rampant everywhere and will never change.
4:04 I find it a bit hard to believe the authorities wore shirts that say "POLICE" in English, and nothing in Chinese, and same for the "police" tape.
Guys, is China when Netflix's Cyberpunk Edgerunner meets Final Destination?
Only if Death from Final Destination suddenly became genocidal lol
I can't believe how brave / stupid I was to ever use those things.
Me neither. Its insane to me how many and that so much people still use chinese products and just have absolutely no clue it blows my mind
Every time a video drops my heart drops with excitement ❤
That,s Why 🇮🇳 Chhose Japan for thier 🚅...😂😂😂
Indian trains are also crashing that too being slow as snail relatively. Make a video on that too.
Theres a reason people joke about products being "made in china " :=)
You are dull😂
Well chances are, the phone or computer your typing this on is also made in China
Why is that? Why does no one ask how did that happen..Whom sent our industry abroad?
Well there is S Korea.. but even Mercedes Benz are built there now. That's why they are so crap.
@@jessicahitchens6926 Cheap labor costs
I want to thank you for your channel & keeping us informed.
You are completely wrong! Tofu dreg infrastructure is exactly what western investors want to invest in because it is the gift that keeps on giving! Western investors can enjoy extra profits from the money that is skimmed off of the original construction budget. Then, when the tofu dreg infrastructure, collapses, western investors can benefit from the money skimmed off of the repair budget, over and over again! What’s wrong with that? It’s not like any real people suffer. Sure, you might say that Chinese people suffer, but the CCP considers all non-CCP members to be cockroaches so in reality no real people suffer.
Sad but true. Seems some U.S. politicians have learned this human behavior. Compassion for money is more important than us peasants. 😢
Not really 😂 I’ve delt with several clients that have lost a shit ton in China the people scraping profits off the budget are the Chinese people that are running the projects, they enjoy delicious meals and expensive hookers!
@@jaybong6008
Don’t forget that Western investment banks make huge transaction fees off of Western investors pouring their money into these tofu Greg infrastructure projects.
@@wbwarren57 Dreg. Not drag or greg. Can you spell?
@@pootispiker2866 I dictate my replies, using the voice recognition feature of my iPad. Sometimes I don’t go back in correct all of the spelling errors. I find it somewhat ironic that you’re asking me to spend more time correcting the spelling of my comment about tofu DREG construction (which, as far as I know, won’t, in itself, kill anybody), then the CCP officials spend in making certain that the substandard construction won’t collapse and kill non-CCP Chinese people.
Not paid by China, but I like the high speed trains. I have ridden them down in the Shenzhen and Guangzhou area a lot. It is nice to get on a high speed train. Not saying anything about their debt, or stability, or safety, but the trains I was on did not crash and were nice.
This fake video about china ，Chinese just smile and ignore ，Stupid people always deceive themselves, and powerful people are silently strong.
You are gambling with your entire life every time you do that. If you have a single shred of intelligence, you will never go back to china. This video isnt even scratching the surface on how dangerous, unhealthy and unsanitary china is. If you know whats good for your health, your life and your morals dont ever go back to china
Can you imagine how mentally draining it must be to first figure out how to clean that mess up then how to redo it all just to have to wait to do it all over again
Japan also has a building with a railway passing through it (Gate Tower Building located in Osaka).
Office building.
It is a highway not a railroad.
I always laugh when people try to bring up China's rail system as some kind of own against the US all like, " if China could do it, why can't the US." Well, first, China didn't do it, not without too many casualties at least, and I hardly consider that a success.
Distance and (population) density reign supreme. Most 'successful' high speed rail systems operate between large population centers that are located relatively close to each other. That's also one of the reasons that much of the conventional passenger rail in the US exists on the coasts and the corridor between Chicago and the East Coast.
@@Eggster68yeah, America's rail networks are also focused around cargo movement, and a lot of the US doesn't need rail to move its cargo because it has got easy access to the sea, the Great lakes, or the Mississippi river and its navigable tributaries, and thus can just use boats to ship their goods around.
The suspensions railway in wuppertal germany (build around 1906 or so) has been going through a building for over a hundret years
Just curious - an inhabited building?
lol, yes- theres a nice cafe@@cathjj840
Well... I first sat in the high- speed Shangai train about 15 years ago. Even back then, it was pretty damn impressive.
I know Zhang Heqing was part of a China state sponsored media when I took a look at all of his tweets (or posts) about China and finding out that some of it looks like it was made with AI and some others look like extremely cherry-picked for propaganda. I found out about him just because I found out from a friend of mine, Zhang has posted a video of one of my friends that is learning in China, praising China about everything in what I could think of as an attempt to suck up to the CCP regime. My friend group all laughed at this tweet, but I'm thinking at that point; What will happen when he returns to our home country? Will he return to his old self or become a CCP bootlicker? Or will he even return at all?
7:38 The reason they chose rail was because they wanted to replicate what happened in Japan. Unfortunately cheap copies of high speed rail results in catastrophic failure.
Cheap copies of anything (eventually) results in catastrophic failure.
One of my pet peeves is when people advertise VPNs but don't really give that much info on the said product. What it's main purpose is, does it keep logs, login/payment options and what protocols are available and so on
I'm not trying to throw shade or anything, this is just I've noticed ever since people on yt started advertise VPNs .
I'm a long time watcher and enjoy your content so keep it coming, you and serpentza are my go to channels when it comes to China
You gotta understand that these products are being marketed to people who are not leet af. What absolutely should be a thing is not saying shit like "this will protect you from hackers!!"
@@kphaxx yea that also, I always cringe a bit when they say this will protect you from hackers or DDOS attacks etc
@@kphaxx also where where the stated VPN company operates is a huge deal. I wouldn't use yet alone buy one that is based in the US since they have to comply US laws.
I get that they are probably given a script to read off of but still. Nonetheless I enjoy Laos and serpentzas content
China should have consulted with Japan on how to build high speed rails. As of today, November 19, 2023, Japan has never had a derailment or fatality in its 55 year history of their high speed rail system.
China would never lose face by asking for help. China can do everything better than anyone else.
Meanwhile, china steals ideas and processes through espionage to keep up. If they don't get accurate or complete information they just wing it. Close enough.
Japan and US are considered enemies in China. Even at young age, kids are brainwashed to hate Japan and the US with a passion. Getting help from an "enemy" like Japan is unthinkable.
They did, apparently. And then ignored the advice because communists.
The Concrete Confessional blog guy has some insane stories about being an educational consultant for the children of China's elite politicians / businesspeople/ celebrities. The first part is called "I Was Simon Song," and he talks about the ominous political shifts of recent years in it, as well. It's def worth checking out. He was in Shenzhen during the COVID lockdowns, the A4 protests, and the pro-democracy riots in Hong Kong, too.
Our government is proud that we are the first country in Southeast Asia to have a high-speed train... from China. That is worrying.
They want to expand more across Java Island, even though the new high-speed train only operated for one month.
Exactly. You are very smart. In the eyes of developed Western countries, the Indonesian government made a very stupid decision. Halfway through it reneged on its promise to build a bullet train with Japan in favor of one made in China at a lower price (though it ended up being much more expensive). There are probably big bribes from China behind the scenes. More worrying is that many Indonesians are willing to accept them. In addition, there are people who join the Chinese in making fun of Japan for its disappointment.
The Indonesian people need to elect a government that takes the long view and makes serious policies for the people.
China’s last high speed train derailment was back in 2011, wondering why this guy didn’t mention that..
3:31. ◀️ @luluapple1067
There was a one last year...
@@lordmashiefrom poorly maintained slope causing landslide in increment weather, overseas railways have a much stringent control on slope construction and railway construction to make sure chances of such disaster is minimized or at least be predictable
Yeah when was Japan's last HST derailment. Oh wait...
and how many times is China's high speed rail network larger than Japan's 10 times?@@kwas101
Thank you for the old news! It was over 10 years old!
Great video as usual Cmilk 😼like always the land of facades...
Thanks for the real Chinese news c-milk. Happy Thanksgiving to Viv and the kids.
Hey I can one up you with Jerry Brown-Gavin Newsom train to nowhere in California. 70-80-90 Billion I'm not even sure if they ever finished.
Look, you lived in China, traveled all over the place, and you survived. You didn't get blown up, derailed or imprisoned, and you are obviously not being censored. Why is there this radical difference between what you experienced in China vs what you are saying about it now outside of China? Is there anything that the Chinese are doing right? You have complained a lot about what is going on in China, do you have a better idea? Where are you going with this hate? China has about the same landmass as the U.S., but with about 4 times as many people. Under the circumstances it looks like the Chinese are doing pretty good. Imagine what would happen if Americans woke up tomorrow to discover 4 times as many people to accommodate.
4 times more homeless, 4 times more crimes, 4 times more drug addicts.
Maintainence is overrated ...
It's like Chernobyl. The lies just made things worse.
yeah my friend got caught paying in fake euros, then he had to pay bigger fine than paying real money in the first place-lying just digs a hole deeper
Context is king when talking about millions, billions & trillions:
1 million seconds is 12 days
1 billion seconds is 31 _years_
1 trillion seconds is 31, 688 _YEARS_
When we hear our governments throwing around terms like billions & trillions none of us can truly comprehend how much money that is... or how much they're skimming off the top for themselves & their associates
My only criticism of this video is featuring footage of the Shinkansen in the background. It is the complete opposite of the Chinese system, never having a fatal accident in the history of its operation. Yeah I get most people wouldn’t know and it doesn’t diminish the message behind the video but as a fan of the Japanese railway system, it’s something I noticed immediately.
The F-35 Fighter Jet is pretty expensive, but what makes it really expensive is the operating and ongoing maintenance cost.
The same goes for infrastructure projects. It's not just the upfront costs, but how usage and maintenance costs are balanced out.
i think they also get contracts to run foreign country's public transport. like SWT in the UK is run by Hong-Kong Metro and has been terrible since they got the contract. i am guessing they are owned by China. these must be obtained on the reputation of how they run in Hong-Kong..
as someone who was living there, I cannot agree more, locals hate MTR for poor management of HK metro, from delays to train problems due to using Chinese made trains, most actual HKers also hate the shitty government for oppressing dissent and other unacceptable behavior that run the place into the ground, and many have left that place since then
CCP is horrible when it comes to Safety or Quality.
What's funny is that in China they have similar RUclips videos about why America is bad guy.
That figures but given what I've seen so far China doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
Our favorite train from the Friday show makes his appearance.
6:32 I gotta correct you, Cyberpunk as a setting describes a yes, dystopian society, where recent rapid advancements of technology created a wealth divide between corporate elite and the poor. The poor in cyberpunk settings are portrayed in a rebellious anti-authority manner because of the rocky societal transformation due to extremely powerful technological advancements, that usually only the wealthy can afford. It's not, by definition, post-apocalyptic.
Here in California the government is spending billions/trillions of dollars on our speed 🚅 trains which will never live up to expectations.
Well at least we know it will be safe ...
Fellow Californian here: I think the problem is wanting a train to do roughly 220 miles an hour, when 110 would’ve been more than sufficient. At 110, it’s a lot easier to build rails that will handle that speed, and it’s still faster than driving a car.
But we are confident and honest enough to admit failure and try again. The Chinese are incapable of that. Their silly face saving culture binds their hands and clouds their judgement.
well, the advantage of high speed train is for shorter travel time against planes in sub 1000km journeys, especially if the train terminates at city center, what Britain recently did with HS2 caused me to face palm in shame for their short sightedness
HS2 is a fiasco - from the very start, an expensive scam. @@lsp6032
Irony (in the case of any form of infrastructure [road or rail] going through a building) here is that Japan did that first with a highway that goes through a building. If you see a video on that (the Japanese highway going through a building) before all the propaganda then you're even more immunized against it and realize, "hey, they aren't first".
Wow. Us dumb old 'Muricans always build our buildings beside the road. I guess China's ahead again. Who would of thought that buildings were to run trains and cars through instead of for people to live and work in? Damn.
Now i am worried for high speed rail they build recently in indonesia. Just hoping nothing will happend.
It's like the OceanGate Titan - really impressive and on a low budget, until the cutting corners bites you in the ass.
Heartwarming! Thanks, Laowhy
I wonder if the train going through an apartment building thing is because of Disney World. It loos the same as the way the monorail goes through one of the resort hotels. I thought it was insanely cool when I was a little kid.
In Li Ziba, Chongqing, china ，come and have a look. You can't see the time from social media.
Why do these things happen? It might be linked to the fact that you can’t speak the truth.
Ive been watching you and Serpent since before covid and i used to want to come ride motorcycles with you two and exolore the country but it seems that in a short time China has really changed into a terrible place. I no longer have any desire to go there. Its really a shame. I do enjoy your videos! Keep up the good work!
You can still visit Taiwan.
The way I understand it, Taiwan is more like the old China than the PRC. They didn't have a cultural revolution to erase 5,000 years of Chinese history.@@SupremeGreatGrandmaster
@@SupremeGreatGrandmaster I will look into Taiwan. I always forget them!
@@YourHineyness the culture would be great to see!
It's Xi
Brings another level of meaning to the term bullet train
Keep up the good work, now I understand why you’re making these videos for US. You will be hero and remembered in the future when truth reveals.
Chinese infrastructure is the national equivalent of taking a picture of your model bridge a second before it collapses and then bragging about how good you are at building to your classmates.
There was a point where Japanese and even German tools were the epitome of poorly made. And now, many tradesmen here in the US prefer them to even the few domestic (made here) tools. I would like to see "Made in China" be associated with quality as well, however, I do not see that happening. Ever.
Most of the time American made tools are superior, but most American brands have now either completely outsourced to China and Mexico, or source components or raw materials from China.
It already happened, ancient chinese wares and craft were luxury items in the roman empire, their ancient industry produced the finest paper and textiles among other goods also gunpowder for fireworks and some military application.
"lOOk sO mUcH lIke cYberpUNk" The most gen z crap to say
Certainly, I can share a story without copying it. Imagine being on a packed train in China, heading to a bustling city. The carriage was overcrowded, filled with people standing in every available space, making movement nearly impossible. The air was stuffy, and the heat seemed unbearable due to the sheer number of passengers. The journey that was supposed to take a few hours turned into an endurance test. Passengers were visibly uncomfortable, and it was challenging to find any relief from the cramped conditions. The constant noise and lack of personal space made it an exhausting and frustrating experience. Despite the discomfort, the resilience and adaptability of everyone onboard were notable. People found ways to pass the time, sharing snacks and engaging in conversations, trying to make the best out of a challenging situation.
GREAT documentary - well done!
Hector Holbrook, Far North of Scotland, UK.
The sad thing though is that many people would talk bad about Japan's HSR rail projects in other countries after one country had open their Chinese made HSR rail line. Like in Indonesian HSR for example, in every video about their HSR, you will see many comments throwing shame to Japan HSR projects abroad. They didn't know the problems Indonesian HSR had during it's construction and why it was delayed. Other than covid, one problem was Indonesian engineers saw many structural problems like misalignment of the supports that is why they ordered China to fix it also another problem of the delay was the derailment of one of their construction trains causing deaths. Also the scary thing was due to delay the government told the Chinese contractor to speed up the project more which caused some stations to not yet finished construction when it opened. I don't know if they knew this but it is not really good to hasten Chinese projects.
The reason why they build so fast is because they skipped so many steps. Time taken to build something is not a measurement of quality.
+ there is feasibility studies and so on
I love China’s “ You’ve bought my Soul “ initiative, wait…I mean “ Belt and Road initiative “. Which is still, using the proper phrase can’t be considered as nothing more than a scam to take advantage of countries that are in dire need of infrastructure. The sad part is they have to accept the fact that Chinese builders are the ones installing the infrastructure. If they get a little homework, they would realize that that is a huge mistake because now China has built you a road in a city out of Lego blocks and cow dung and the country is now indebted to China for Billions, Whether it be natural resources or money or whatever, but China owns that country now.
All mechanical devices need constant maintenance. Sadly, the bean counters don't factor in that cost so things run until they bresk. Unfortunately, big stuff breaks in a spectacular fashion and may result in unnecessary injuries and death.