My Rivian R1T Has Finally Arrived, Here's What You Need To Know If You're Looking At One
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2024
- Is the R1T a "real truck"? Yes, but it's clearly been designed by folks that don't regularly tow anything. The R1T is an interesting combination of highs and lows. Incredible power and handling and pragmatic cargo carrying details combine with limited off-road camera views, an awkwardly located hitch receiver and a few other odd choices. Range is mind blowing, but more on that in another video...
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00:00 - Intro
06:24 - Drivetrain / Battery / Charging
9:02 - Cargo / Frunk / Truck Bed
13:05 - Seat Comfort, Interior Room
14:56 - Interior Walkaround
21:44 - How Does It Drive?
30:40 - Conclusion 
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Initial statement is 100% correct about influencers getting priority over others
Shots fired. Thank you Alex !
Wait who are we talking about?
Kyle from out of spec is one. Johnny liberman is one as well (I think). Kyle for sure.
@@arunkumar194912223 I think there was another female ev reviewer as well.
@@arunkumar194912223 Lieberman is not an influencer, he's the editor of MotorTrend.
Your the first channel that I’ve seen that actually gives the positives and the negatives about this truck. Many of the RUclipsrs are acting like they are being influenced.
Most others are paid, one way or another
If you watch alot of RUclips video from a lot of channels, you'll know who's who
Alex is the most trustworthy, his channels are my topmost favorites
I love that this truck actually exists unlike other companies who collect customers' money and never give them anything for it.
Someone calling out OutOfSpec Kyle. Spicy.
He’s not the only one…
Terrific thorough review….by far, best I’ve seen. Thank you Alex!!
Picking up my Rivian R1T on Monday! Thanks for getting me excited and prepared!
Nice job as usual, Alex. Thank you!
Great shot on the wood grain.... Cool to finally see the textures up close .. 👏👏👏
Munro Live has some very detailed looks at the wood grain, including where they had some seams in the middle..
You gave more knowledgeable information in 5 Minutes than most influencers would do in an hour at best. Really appreciate your super honest, knowledgeable, and entertaining reviews including on this Rivian!
Your comment about influencers is spot on. Jonny Lieberman decided to order one after the MT story in Yellow over Green. No one on Earth would have ordered that combo, and he just got his. He asked Rivian for preferential treatment and was told “there isn’t any” but hey, I mean, I don’t buy that. Not as much as he chirps about how wonderful they are.
Yep, rumour mill is he cut the line too…
Kyle Connor of the small YT channel Out of a spec also jumped the line and paid the lower pre March price too.
I am glad the Rivian exists. I’m not sure it is for me.
The base 300 mile version of the F150 is 70K+ anyways, so I’d likely choose a Rivian because it’s build quality and luxury is befitting of the price tag. Obviously if you are a pre order holder with old pricing, you have to go for the Rivian no question. 70-75.5K for all that performance, range, luxury, capability, and suspension is a no brainer.
300 mile isn't the base version. Base is 230 and can be had for mid 40s
@@igorgetsin3646 i think he's saying the cheapest trim that you can option the 300 miles version of the lightning. 230 miles of range is pretty inconvenient as you'll knock an extra 23 miles off that if you want to concerve battery life. Not long enough to use on a day trip if your destination doesn't have available chargers. Going to 300 mile range in the lightning isn't worth the premium they are asking when the rivian is only a few k more for a more luxurious and I'd say capable truck with that adjustable suspension and motor setup. Though one thing I don't understand is why they put such large rims on these trucks it's not doing the range any favors. Aerodynamic 18's is all you need and your looking at an extra 10% in range. Wheels and tires have a huge impact on EV range.
@igor Getsin Have you tried ordering a base $40k Lightning? My dealer wouldn’t even let me configure it that way. Said it was for fleet buyers and I’d need to order 5 of them. So all this advertising of a $40k EV truck out there is very misleading and I felt duped. Once I get my Lightning, I’m flipping it and then I’ll put extra cash towards my R1S :)
@@ashrafc7794 excellent strategy. I hear the R1S is an amazing SUV but I'd personally get the R1T if I had the money. The ability to load objects taller than roof line and longer than the vehicle is something you wish you could do when you have an SUV. Had to miss out on some dope pieces of furniture that I've seen people giving away for free cause they were to tall or long to fit in my Durango.
Not to mention the rivian is a lot quicker than the top F150 model
100% love you calling out the other RUclipsrs that absolutely jumped the line. Your right it is BS!!
The Rivian is absolutely beautiful I hope they get there things together.
Alex, In the end this seems to be the "lifestyle focused pickup" 31:13 that a tiny fraction of lifestyle pickup shoppers will focus upon . 😁
I don't think it's fair to call the segment a "tiny fraction." Pavement princess as a derogitory came up for a reason. A massive number of truck buyers don't use their vehicle for work at all, it's a status symbol in north american culture. Truck buyers gravitate heavily toward lifestyle offerings and trims, and most of those are off-road focused which plays into this vehicle's strengths. TRD Pro (really the Tacoma in general), Raptor, TRX, Jeeps, Bronco, etc. are all theoretically in this same segment of the market and hugely popular.
@@FriENTlyFire Just to be clear, I did not call the 'lifestyle' pickup shopper a tiny segment of pickup buyers. I suspect they are at least half the market.
Great balanced review, thanks! Love how you embed SO much small details and useful comparisons ...
Glad you got yours and can enjoy...
re @10:04 phone unlock etc: that is a bit strange..?? Maybe related to presenting the door handles?
Tesla did it right... they sense relative proximity, both distance and position, and unlocks only when close AND you pull the door handle (for Model 3/Y at least... S, needs to present door handles.. not sure if actually unlocks, or also need to pull handle?) I It also prioritizes which phone is next to the door, especially driver door, to link to the correct driver profile (so if my petite wife w/ her phone, opens passenger door first, it doesn't set hers and crush me when I get in driver seat.) The car partially powers on (and starts AC) when you open the door (and goes off when close the door, unless someone still sitting inside).. it doesn't fully power on, until you press the brake pedal.
Not 100% perfect, sometimes not sensitive *enough* (body can block phone sometimes, eg if back pocket or other hip), but better than unlocking too soon. The trunk also opens w/o unlocking the car, pressing the trunk button on car.
This helps avoid the "unlock/power on" issue you hit w/ the R1T, or also accidental unlocks if you are parked nearby (restaurant or in garage/right next to house, and if phone/keys are close say at front door)... maybe they can fix w/ OTA?
I got mine with a Vin 48xx about a month later than a neighbor with a Vin 58xx. He preordered a year before me. Definitely weird the way they are rolling them out, but they are still learning.
Alex best reviewer on RUclips. You know more about trucks than I thought. It would be nice to see your owners experience with the software in a month. Some folks are disappointed with the phone integration in a big way and having some vehicle locking inconveniences too. The ordering and delivery experience is not fun right now but that is to be expected imo. As of 7/22/22 it looks like the used resale price is still more than $110K but coming down every couple of weeks. My reconfigured model should be here next week. Can''t wait for that. Oh and it looks like you were already scratching your new paint with those tree branches lol !
Agree! want to see more re the software, especially the mapping/nav/routing (including charge planning, so far seems good compared to Tesla, not sure how much it can tell re FC usage given 3rd party), and the Alexa voice controls... I've heard some big annoyances glitches there :( hope they can get fixed, if confirmed
You'll be paying close to 90k for the Ford when it arrives and it's not as powerful and luxurious . R1t is a better value especially for what you paid for it being an early reservations holders. There a reason why lots of people like CEO of Lucid are saying Rivian's asking price for the R1t should be more. Unless you want to sell the R1t to make money like most people are doing.
check your camera settings. There are camera views that show each tire so you can see what each tire is going to hit.
I agree about the AC vents. Unlike Tesla, they actually have traditional style vents, just made them powered. Another area they "fixed" but did not need fixing. Manual vents would be so much nicer, functional and driver friendly. Tesla and now Rivian, because they followed much of the same playbook, are removing "driver friendly" functions. I love my truck, but yes, certainly many aspects they could have done better.
Unless you actually "need" a truck, I think you'll prefer to keep the Rivian. I owned both and was fortunate enough to be able to get them side by side. Both trucks were delivered within 2 days of each other, by pure coincidence. My original thought was that I would keep the Ford. Then, got them side by side and the decision became very easy. The Ford is a better truck, thus if you need a work type truck, then it's absolutely better. But, for those that don't need a truck, but just want a truck, the Rivian wins hands down. At least it did for me. Sold the Ford 5 days after I got it.
The camera views as I showed are poor for an off road focused vehicle. You can see a teeny tiny view of each wheel, but from an angle that’s not overly useful and you have to constantly toggle through the views on narrow trails which is not what you have to do in a Jeep or Land Rover
Why would you wait this long and pay this much for a not very good truck if you don't actually need a truck? I don't understand. That's why the Rivian fails for me, because the Lightning looks to be a much better truck for doing anything that would necessitate having a truck, and there are much better vehicles for anything else that isn't a truck. Trucks are for carrying stuff and are compromised everywhere else. If you have the money, why compromise? I know quadcabs are popular for passengers now too, since I'm from Texas, but truck owners do laugh at each other for not using it for anything. For instance, paint scratches are simply not a thing on a vehicle that's intended to go offroad. Thanks for your patience at my lack of money.
@@falkin42 Just because you don't necessarily "need" a truck, doesn't mean you don't like the styling of one. More importantly, the utility of one when it may come in handy. The Trucks were built for two different buyer groups. The Ford, designed to appeal to those who need trucks for worksites and such and it's great for that. The Rivian was designed more Adventure type use. Off-roading, camping, The size is smaller and works for me better as an everyday vehicle. I don't need a truck, but of course there are occasions when having one comes in handy. Having the bed available for those occasions is great. The Rivian has a fully adjustable air suspension that provides amazing ride quality. The storage space is amazing. The Rivian comes with an automatic tonneau cover, that's great for additional storage that can be secured. The Ford is bigger, which for some is better. The Rivian however, still comfortably seats 5, as does the Ford. The Ford has a bigger bed, better for those that need a truck bed on a regular basis. The Rivian provides good utility that's available if you need it. The Ford, looks like a Ford, just like every other of the 1,000,000 trucks a year they sell. Thus blends in quietly. The Rivian is unique. Looks much better in person than in photos or video. For over $70,000, nice to have something that's unique. But again, Ford did a great job with the Lightning. Will all come down to each particular owner's personal use needs for a vehicle. For my personal use and needs, the Rivian is better suited.
I can't remember the exact statistic, but a pretty decent number of R1T buyers have never owned a truck. I am part of this group. Mine should be delivered in a few months. For me, a bed is useful on occasion, but honestly, I have lived without my adult life in the suburbs without issue. With the cover, I think of the bed more like a large, not-quite weatherproof trunk. I love all the storage solutions, love the performance and love the interior. It is also the absolute maximum size I would ever want to own. Driving an F150 everyday has no appeal to me. In short, I think Rivian targeted buyers like me more than "truck" buyers.
Nice color. Enjoy
I kinda suspected the influencers were getting a bit of preference once I saw a couple of unexpected videos show up. Unfortunate but not surprising nowadays.
Facts on starting statement
I actually test drove an R1T today. I’m scheduled to take delivery by the end of the year. I just can’t wait. My drive is much more limited than your review but I agree with much of what you’re saying here. I just can’t wait to get my truck.
I’m considering reserving an r1s n honestly never going to use it for any off road. The size shapen n EV part just fits our needs. I do worry about little things id miss from even my BMW. I’m hoping by the time the SUV comes out they figure it out.
I have a drive this week (I am a re holder and actually about to buy the lightning). Is there anything you wished you did in your drive that you didn't do?
@@profkeenan I would have liked to have gotten it out on the highway. However I-70, in Denver, has some major construction going on and driving on it would have been a problem. I would have also liked to drive it off road. Not much Rivian can do about that.
@@rvboyett Ill do that. In New Jersey, we have many a highway
Alex, Teslas do NOT turn on until the door is opened!!!! (Except Model X cars. If configured on the display the door will auto open.) Love your analysis. Keep up the good work.
Not fully on, but the model S we recentLy tested starts the AC also
correct.. Model S needs to auto-present the door handles, X similar, so they at least partially do....
3/Y do not unlock nor power on until you press the door handle.
the oos call out. love it.
but given your off grid life, maybe the f150 truly is the better choice....
Yes, the onboard power options are a BIG differentiator here... Ford ProPower has 240v and LOTS of outlets int/ext/frunk/bed, AND tons more power (9.6kw, see Kyle Connor charged FIVE ev's from it!)...
R1T just has TWO 120v outlets in bed, two interior (one is gear tunnel, smart), and not much power, 1.5KW *shared*...
Alex, you can set proximity unlock to turn off when at your home location.
overall, this looks like a really fun truck to own and drive.. I wish they had made the front trunk open completely similar to the Ford Lightning
Thanks, Alex.
I imagine placing a camper on the back would interfere with the release buttons for the tailgate and cargo tunnel doors?
Yep it would, although a camper could be designed not to and it would need a custom camper anyway, sooo…
@@EVBuyersGuide 340 miles on your range test with the stock wheels? Wow. I'm excited to see what 3rd party campers would be made. Also I heard Rivian is making a camp kitchen for the R1S! 👀
Great video as always Alex!
I need a car that can occasionally do truck stuff. Because of that I choose the Rivian. If I needed more utility I would go lightning.
Both kick ass though.
Hello. First, I would like to thank you for giving us one of the most detailed car reviews on RUclips. Really like your style. Just I would like to point out one little thing. Is it possible for you to include metric measurements for us metric folks? 😅 Also, before giving my opinion on if you should keep the Rivian or not It would be nice to see the review of the F-150 Lightning ⚡ so we can compare both. Thanks and have a great day!
What's this metric thing? I hear it's what martians use :) Seriously however, 98% of viewership is in the USA and as much as I like the metric system our primary audience would look at me like I'd lost my marbles... Also there's translation time, screen room, etc :(.
@@EVBuyersGuide Totally understandable. I love your channel and I really think you must be the most underrated car journalist on RUclips. The amount of information and logic put on your videos is unparalleled. Thanks for replying and have a great day! 🚘
@@VictorNoelCoryPaz Just have a calculator on hand and multiply inches listed time 2,54 for cm.
@@elmojito 😅. Thanks for the advice, I guess...😅😅
Why no 240 V power output? Why no home backup capability? Will you comment on Rivian’s DCFC network rollout? Thanks for great review!
IMO, none are worth paying 10K over MSRP for.
there is also a storage area under the driver seat (the same as the passenger seat).
re @21:51, the R1T should have a view with both wheel cameras on the side, plus matching front/rear view (only 2 at time, front/rear, not 4.) Not sure how you didn't find it... search for "Rivian R1T Cameras - Curb Rash?", Derek Blankenship, he demos the cameras driving thru tight fast-food drive-thru path w/ curbs!
It's meant for rock crawl mode so you can see each tire, but as he shows, helpful to avoid suburban curb rash too :)
Edit: seeing comments and replies below, Alex DID check the wheel cams, but he found them not clear/useful enough (but didn't show/explain clearly in his video.)
One improvement they maybe could do, besides mode showing all 4 at time and making bigger/clearer,
is put them closer together to see both wheels at one glance (currently, they are on far opposite ends of wide screen.)
Tesla rear+side rear cam view have both rear side views close together at bottom of screen, can see both at once...
it is very handy for backing up thru narrow space (like 1-car garage opening, between cars, walls/hedge etc)... don't have to alternate look left/right, just see both and ensure clear space stays constant on either side.
Also the backup camera guide lines, match the Tesla tires pretty closely... that helps avoid curb rash, and helps avoid scratch sides.. .haven't verified the sides, but wheels are close.
Fair on the demerits. Fair on the merits. Let's see some more off-road testing, head to head with the Lightning.
Very interesting new vehicle but I really wonder about the build quality as time goes by.
Definitely the Rivian
Great review. If they are bypassing people in line then they got karma lined up already
This was a funny video for me. My wife was sitting beside me while watching. At the EXACT same time as Alex was saying he liked the headlights my wife said Dear God, what the eff is wrong with those headlights?? Looks like Gabriel designed them. Gabriel is our four year old nephew. She also said Why don’t they try to put a smiley face on it somehow to make it look that much dumber!! Pretty brutal but I was rolling. Needless to say my chances of owning a Rivian R1T or R1S are slim to effing zero and slim got taken out back and shot in the head.
Hello Alex. This was a great test. I have an f150 Lightning on order (Scheduled to be built in Sept) and a Rivian r1t preorder. After watching your video, I am convinced I have made the right choice. I was looking for something more familiar, I like old school controls. The lack of air vent controls would drive me crazy. The do not like the lack of dedicated steering wheel controls. All in all this just feels a bit too futuristic for me. I never off road, so I wouldn't ever use any of that capability. I suspect the f150 cruises along the highway better than the Rivian. Its a great truck for some, just not my cup of tea.
I know you'll use it as a truck so would like to see you beat the R1T, mostly to hear your no nonsense review of it's durability down the road. There will be lots of people reviewing the lightning as a work truck, but I think it also has 240Vac, so hard to choose!
I have seen RUclips videos where you can see both front tires from the cameras as well as a frontal view camera at the same time making rock crawling easier. Maybe you didn’t realize it or it was part of an update you didn’t have?
I placed my order in February and was able to receive it with some changes at the end of May. I am not an influencer, but I do live in SoCal. If you are on the on the DL, do not drive it as it bring all boys to the Yard “including all the Raptors, TRX, Mustangs, and a Ferrari.
A peculiar review.
Your last comment about over MSRP is a good one since I expect ford will not get the 7500 tax rebate by the time I take delivery. Rivian said my price is locked.
R1T is loud! First time I seen one in FL. I heard it first!
Aye he threw so much shade at rivian lol .. he gained a subscriber
I think I'd go with the Lightning, but they're both awesome.
I would love to see an Alex long term test with the Rivian but I understand why you’d want to sell it as well
It seems to me an Individual would pick the Rivian if they live in the Suburbs or maybe the city, and they go to more rural areas, or campsites during the weekends or whenever they have vacations. And the Lightning is for the Individual who needs a work truck that can tow, they can throw around, go to a worksite and not really worry about the luxurious interior of the Rivian. In effect, one is aimed at more city life while the other is aimed at more work life. Both of these come with the caveat that you don't go incredibly long distances. But rather, you want/need a truck, you're not going over 200 miles a day, and you'd like to save money on gas.
You can definitely go over 200 miles in one day. You just need an extra half an hour to an hour for fast charging.
@@Anothernerdyloser314 Oh for sure! I was more commenting for those who don't like the idea of stopping to charge or those who need 500 miles of range in order to be comfortable adopting an EV
one piece of data i'd love to see is miles/kwhr vs mph. i imagine finding a 2-3 mile stretch of relatively flat road where you can go up to highways speeds. run 30 to 75 mph in 15mph increments, and note miles/kwhr averaged over a round trip on same day (similar wind/temp/etc).
I’m a ford guy but I’d like to have a rivian truck and suv just because it’s a little different and unique. Farm work would still and always will go to the ICE f series trucks though
Rivian’s phone as key seems poorly thought out. Can you disable the functions until you open a door ala Tesla?
Alex it's a shame that Rivian decided to allow certain people to be given priority due to there level of influence, that said its good to see you finally have the Rivian to do your comprehensive testing.
Being I'm in Australia neither F150 Lightning or Rivian are of importance to me and the market I'm in as they are not in right hand drive, that said Australia is getting "factory supported" re-manufactured Right Hand Drive F150 with twin turbo petrol version so I do appreciate the level of review you do on said vehicle.
That said if I were in your position? I would wait for the next gen Ranger (which was just released for the AU market this week), of course I doubt the NA market will get the 3.0L turbo diesel V6 that we have, personally I'm waiting for the next gen Ford Everest a vehicle that is not sold for the NA market as you guys/gals get the Bronco.
Hi Alex, thank you for the great videos. On the issue of The Lightning vs R1T. You may find the R1T to be more robust due to the long real world test period Rivian did with their preproduction models. Ford put the Lightning together with much less real world testing and in much less time. Also, having watched the video about where live, you will benefit with the better turn radius of the R1T. On the charging, being off grid you do not seem to have enough available power to charge the Lightning at its full rate. The ability of the Lightning to power your home is not much of an advantage to you because you live off grid. On efficiency, the R1T will use less energy per mile than the Lightning. You may find the climate control system better in the R1T. As a daily driver you may enjoy the R1T more. So the issue really seems to be towing. Towing on your property will be better with the Rivian due to its shorter turning radius. Towing long distances on the highway may favor the Lightning. So if you engage in infrequent long haul towing, the R1T seems a better fit for you and yours. On $10K over MSRP. No way! Save your hard earned money to spend on more PV panels and and a smart EVSE. Wishing you and yours the very best - John
I dont know if I would consider Rivians testing to provide a more robust model. Ford and Rivian worked quite closely together for a while. The Lightning is also an F150 and so has the advantage of having an even greater amount of R&D and testing poured into it as a whole, not to mention the Lightning is not even Fords 1st EV. The Rivian also uses steel on the rear fenders, which where I live will mean rust within 5 years. Robust and long term and air suspension/hydraulics dont belong in the same sentence either. Ultimately I think both are excellent products and agree the Rivian might fit Alex better, even if it doesn't tow as well because for now gas/diesel and HD truck rule for serious towing.
I've seen a few on the road, I'd go for the Lightning.
You can view your wheel cameras but not while the 360*/birds eye view camera is selected
Also I see you got the road tires which is what mine has coming this week. I wonder how they will do off road ? Let us know your thoughts.
is the width of the rivian at the mirrors the same as at the widest point of the bed ? with most trucks, the mirrors are slightly wider than the widest point of the body, to conform to the old adage "if the mirrors fit, the truck fits". it *appears* on the video that the mirrors might be only just as wide as the body, and maybe a little less.....that would be more like a car.....
Every time Alex said keep in mind, that the places manufacturers over design a feature and make it not so user friendly
Honestly get rid of them both and just get a Hybrid truck.
The current battery tech works good for cars, but for trucks to actually use them for "truck stuff" they just fall short.
When we start seeing better battery tech like solid state (hopefully in the next 2 or 3 years) then these electric trucks will start to make more sense.
Munro did a teardown the body is hard mounted to the frame without rubber isolation even.
Tough decision, I love both! I would probably keep the f-150 because of the enormous catalogue of aftermarket accessories available. The F-150 is more "truck" and the Rivian is more like a luxury SUV with a bed.
The Rivian might provide more content for your channel though. Service reviews, software upgrade process etc.
I think Alex should keep both. He’s not going to lose money while he could continue to make content w both of these trucks. I think he should sell the Durango instead.
@@Wasabi9111 That would be ideal, but he mentioned that he can't really afford both. Maybe he can keep them both for a short while, then sell one. The Rivian could likely be sold for a profit.
@@naarealy he needs the finances of twenties something Kyle Connor who has half a million in vehicles with seemingly no major income for YT.
Also predicting the Lightning stays and this goes, just based on the fact you favor real truck practicality vs lifestyle. No disrespect to lifestyle trucks, but you actually would use yours as a truck.
Alex is clearly an influencer….BUT….THE PROBLEM FOR SOME IS THAT HE IS ACTUALLY HONEST….the ‘I’ll sweet talk your car’ guys are the ones that jump the que….
I would pick the Ford. No telling if Rivian will survive as a viable company into the future.
If you decide to sell the Rivian, I would be interested in getting details. Thanks
It does have front wheel camera. You have to close 360 view to get it.
Not like other off road vehicles. It has a teeny tiny view wheee you can’t really see the rear wheels, you can see the side but not the wheels and it’s so small it’s useless
Rivian definitely
They definetly made sure the youtubers got their trucks first.
Out of range for the average working joe but i like them.
What's up with the color quality of Alex's videos lately?
I’m having this exact problem lightning v rivian with both delivering in the next 2 weeks. I’ve sat in a rivian and test drove the lightning (very impressive!) but now don’t know which one i will ultimately keep. I ordered the ford as a backup in case the rivian kept being delayed or canceled but here I am with allocation and delivery in the next two weeks and no idea which one to choose. Help!!
Rivian as a company, and executive leadership levels, are mimicing Tesla, much more than Ford/GM is doing. I don't know if that has any bearing on your decision?
Choose the Rivian. I guarantee if you don’t like it you’ll get more than what you paid. I think my only concern is Rivian as a company but i think even if they had trouble someone would buy them out
Your Ford dealer will likely markup the price. I’d go with the Rivian.
Alex you should consider doing a video about the pros and cons of EVs versus hydrogen vehicles. I'm especially curious about the differences in maintenance/repairability.
Thank you for calling out the line jumpers. Kyle Conner jumped years ahead of me and got my build and that really pissed me off.
TBH it isn't Kyles fault, and I don't blame him. Rivian could have handled it better, they should have honored the queue system IMO. I have a reservation and it pisses me off as well, he also got the preprice increase pricing :(.
@@cavemankiwi I don't see how Kyle is a victim here.
@@BlueCollarEV He isn't a victim, he took advantage of a situation that was presented/enabled for him by Rivian. I think if most people interested in a Rivian got that opportunity they would take it.
@@cavemankiwi yes I'm sure anyone would jump at the opportunity but the fact is he made that video of him picking it up and repeatedly said that he didn't receive special treatment and then proceeded to walk the audience through the special treatment he received from his friend in the inside.
I'm simply waiting for my truck I ordered long before he showed up and I know there are more ahead of me that should have been contacted first.
Kyle provided very positive reviews on the Rivian. With some suggestions for improvements. They rewarded him with a vehicle at hugely discounted price. (Pre order price) … coincidence?
It seems clear to me that Alex keeps the Lightning
HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE
Did you know you can switch the over head camera view to focus on the wheels. I think that would solve your concerns about offroading.
Sadly it doesn’t. It has the cameras onboard but doesn’t display the images as most off road vehicles do
@@EVBuyersGuide It will change if you tap the truck icon in the lower left hand side showing the 360 cameras.
Did it, it doesn’t help. Other off-road vehicles have considerably more dedicated camera views making it easier to see exactly what the four corners are up to. I assume this is something that could be fixed in software because most of the “camera” views can be digitally manipulated. That said, a better view of the front and the rear would require additional cameras as we see in some vehicles
@@EVBuyersGuide It will show the front 2 wheels and front view, or rear 2 wheels and rear (not all 4 at once.)
see "Rivian R1T Cameras - Curb Rash?" video, clearly shows it
My pick is wait on the CyberTruck.
Which was one of first EV trucks announced…that Cybertruck is another buyer category.
I can’t help but feel like this truck is VERY Tesla like in many ways. The UI is near as damnit identical in layout, features and even downsides. No sat radio, ACP or AA. No blended braking. Mid and high regen only, no coast. Strong OTA updates.
I guess if you’re going to copy someone, that’s not bad and they picked the best Tesla bits and added a better level of parts quality.
Yup, agreed re Tesla-like... that is mostly a good thing, except if you don't like screen vent controls etc.
Not sure what your concern is with regen or no blended braking though? On EV, there is no point/benefit to coasting- you lose possible regen power. Car only applies the necessary power (or regen) to keep you at your desired speed... depending on wind/drag and the slope, that can be basically no net power, lots, or regen... I've actually gotten notable regen speeding at 72mph going down a moderate steep mountain pass!
Tesla regen isn't as strong as Rivian, but it is VERY smooth and seamless, and brings you all the way to a nice gentle halt after firm deceleration (plus, it now does blend in some friction brakes if necessary eg battery too full for regen, in autopilot/brake hold, after OTA update). If regen doesn't slow you fast enough, just apply brake pedal, and it will mix them.
Rivian does allow varied levels of regen which can be nice, Tesla no longer allows adjustment, but it seems just about right to me. Rivian high may be a bit too strong.... but, as you can control the amount with how much you lift foot off the pedal, you can always modulate braking to whatever you want, so.. more available is better?
I have an reservation for both. Ridden in both. Both great vehicles. Can I buy both? Is that allowed? LOL
No differentials needed...?
Now that I'm really looking at the interior of this truck. It seems like the designers don't understand the concept of utility and usability in a truck. Storage space seems terrible. No glovebox, much less two... The center console storage space is small and awkwardly narrow and deep. Why is there only one set of chintzy cup holders that pop out and look like they'll eventually break; what benefit does that have over static cupholders? Why are the door pockets so small and seemingly difficult to access, and are there no side pockets in the rear? On a road trip or a camping trip, you'd was to be putting large bottles in there. Why aren't the floor mats heavier duty, being that this truck is supposedly a lifestyle truck that'll be used in the great outdoors? Why isn't there a glass roof cover? Why aren't the headrests adjustable? Why is the HVAC such a pain to use? Where are the camera mounting points for off-roaders; again it's a lifestyle vehicle. Because the rear cupholders are in the pull down arm rest, putting 3 people in the back would make the cupholders inaccessible.
As to the frunk / truck bed, the bed looks minimally usable. It's small. No tie down points in the bed itself? No added usability in the tailgate. For some reason the plastic on the side edges is intruding on the space. The air compressor is nice, but why only two 120V outlets and no 240V outlets in an EV truck with a massive battery? Clearly not a work truck. The frunk is large, but so tall; can you imagine lifting heavy things into it? It also seems the front rim of the frunk gets covered in dirt, so that'll be fun to reach over. No wonder Ford made the Lightning's grill open too. No outlets in the frunk? Also, I've seen some videos of that frunk closing pretty fast and no beeping warning. I can imagine a lot of people accidentally resting their hand there when the trunk comes down. Who's willing to stick their hand or finger there to test it? Any takers?
Storage space in this vehicle isn't a problem. You sound like you need a mini van. If you are a Ford Stan just say so.
@@smallbusinessdreams Employee or owner? I mean, if it's the latter, I guess you'd have to make up excuses for the truck you waited 3 years for.
Yeah I’m thinking you shouldn’t get one
@@updlate4756 its a start up. And no I've been on the wait list since Jan 2021. I'll have my R1S by the end of the year.
You can set auto lock/relock to work only away from home
Id have to say if it was my money hands down i choose the ford. 1. Ford has ben at this a long long time building pickups. 2. Its the number one selling pickup for a reason. 3. Serviceablity. being able to Service it when or if stuff goes wrong and it Breaks. 4. lastsly ford is going to be aroung 5 10 15 20 50 years from now im like 99.99 % shure of that and i cant say that with a start up like rivian .
The Ford is a compromise. It’s built on the old ICE platform. Missing many of the advantages of a dedicated EV platform. They know that many of their customers will have no idea. I’ll wait until Ford had a dedicated EV platform.
They EPA tested the road tires. The All-terrain tires/wheels get in the 285 mile range instead of the EPA tested 314 miles.
There is only one EPA filing for the R1T. The model used the 275 width 21 inch road tires, no other model has undergone official EPA testing according to the documents provided by the EPA by a FOIA
@@EVBuyersGuide correct. they tested the R1Twith the road tires, not the all-terrain tires. You stated that you thought they tested the all-terrain tires to give the lowest estimate. That's not what they did.
@@RHPDaddy I got my tongue twisted there. What I think Rivian did was *internally* test the model with all terrain tires and then elected a voluntary derating for the final EPA label roughly equal to the R1T with ATs. The logic for this is that it's much less expensive to run only one official test. Had Rivian just gone with the larger number and then ended up selling a higher percentage of models with the AT tires or other trim changes that lower efficiency (spare tire, underbody protection, wheels, etc) then they would have to pay to test those trims as well and face possibly a fine. It's OK to put a lower number on your label, you just can't over promise.
@@EVBuyersGuide I don't think so as there have been many reviewers/testers and even Rivian sources saying that 314 is for road tires and you should expect a 15% reduction in range with the off road tires.
I have yet to see the results done in a similar manner on an R1T on all season tires. The majority of R1T reviews of Rivian fleet vehicles were equipped with all terrain tires like the one InsideEVs had.
Could you give an estimate for headroom for the front seat?
Headroom is generous up front, you can look up the exact number if you want to compare but it’s comparable to most mid-size trucks except the Tacoma which is quite small inside
@@EVBuyersGuide thanks so much! My dad's yellow rivian is coming in a week and he was wondering
That license and registration area is straight up dangerous in America. Cops see you reach towards under your seat and you're now a "threat". What were they thinking?
You just tell the cop before you do anything. I do that anyway “would it make you feel more comfortable if I turn on the dome light?” “Yes?” “Ok”
That’s worked for me pretty well so far
@@joetz1 unfortunately, that forthright attitude still doesn't work for everyone.
@@joetz1 must be nice ... 👀
@@joetz1 that unfortunately didn’t work for Philando Castile
@@joetz1 That's great for you, I've had a gun in my face and feared for my life after I told the cop exactly what I was going to do(get my registration from glove compartment) and that I was unarmed. A lot of them seem to be looking for any excuse to put holes in you
Glad that I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.
When are you going to get your Lighting?
We don’t know, it’s stuck in shipping hell it seems
@@EVBuyersGuide I got my ‘shipped’ email from ford a few days ago with a 7/25 estimate. I’m gonna mentally pad that by at least 2 weeks based on the horror stories I’ve heard lately
Kindly state your height when describing headroom. Saying you have half an inch of headroom is not very helpful otherwise.
LOL there is a camera view that shows your wheel. Change from the 360 view.
Alex, if you're not a happy customer, I'll come by and pick it up. I promise not to sell it :)
There ARE camera views available for each wheel Alex. You missed this.
There are *side* cameras, but they do a poor job of showing each wheel in an off road situation.
I would keep the Rivian and test the crap out of it, I want to see reliability long term. TFL is already doing the long term on a Lightning.
Roman is constantly bitching about the most inane things, he is tiresome, shame that the rest of that crew have to make up Roman and his crap, you can hear it in Andre's voice that is he sick and tired every time Roman does and says something stupid.
Alex, if you are willing to sell it at cost, I will buy it from you. I'm near Sacramento and am willing to drive there!!!
The camera views you say you would like are already available.
Not really, the ones that are there are poorly located and too small to be useful.
@@EVBuyersGuide oh ok. I thought you said they didn't exist at all. Just correcting that. Not sure what you mean by poorly located. They show a view of both your front tires (facing forward) or both sides of your vehicle (facing backward). And there is a 360 view. 360 might not be useful for rock crawling. But have you had standard cameras on your other off road vehicles?
I should have been more clear, I find the views that exist useless, and the views I want aren’t there. For instance, you can see the rear wheels fairly well, although the image is very very small, the front wheels you can barely see the tire in the image, you can’t really see what else is going on. Compare that with a Grand Cherokee or Range Rover (Rivian says they benchmarked these when developing the R1T) and you get a clearer view of each wheel, large enough to be useful, also a front “down” view so you can really see where the bumper is going and dynamic lines. I think much of this could be fixed in software allowing you to blow up the images so they are larger and more useful, although I did notice that camera image quality is mediocre in the R1T to start with.
Hi Alex, thanks for the awesome review as always. Having recently watched where you live and the toys you own, you may be better with the Lightning and it’s higher towing capacity. Rivian seems to be an awesome truck but may not serve all tow needs 100% of the time. On the other hand, the R1T is a more luxurious ride and maybe you and family may enjoy it more. The decision would have to be based on your primary use of the truck. If towing really heavy items then Lightning is the way to go. If you plan to get another toy for towing or call for towing service for heavier items as and when needed then keep the Rivian. Good Luck!
The Rivian has a higher towing capacity.
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