For me it's more important how practical a stove is more than how fast it boils water. I'd like to hear more about how easy it is to use. How stable a pot rests on it. How it packs. How reliable it is. How much it weighs.
I have somewhat similar opinion... I am sure that speed is somewhat important, but what about the other factors such as excellent fuel efficiency, excellent simmering capabilities, 10,000 BTUs, and a design that includes a built in wind screen that provides superior performance, especially in windy conditions. How about the construction of the stove, and its features, like four pot stand legs instead of three for better stability, or more durable brass fittings instead of aluminum, or a convenient piezo electric igniter, instead of manually using a lighter? A fast boil time is good, but I think that most stoves will come in under the three minute mark, and certainly four minutes, which is more than adequate. However, it is the boil time combined with all of the other factors that determine the best stove. For my money, the Soto Windmaster, and the Soto Amicus are the best stoves when looking at the total package, but the rest are all good performers as Luke has pointed out.
Luke, it would've been interesting to weigh the fuel canisters after the test to determine how much fuel was used for each stove to boil water. Was the 2 seconds faster a value or a cost? Thanks for all your reviews. They're really valuable when deciding what to put my money on.
I'm going with the bsr been using one for years super light and compact hasn't ever let me down I can live with the 12 second longer boil time lol love the reviews
Great channel. Our Crux Lite clogged up during our last week long trip on the third day last week. It's not unusual for a well used stove to have problems. Ours is many years old and has been a good economical tool. I couldn't break it down in the field. I had strong pliers. Anyway, I have broken it down using proper tools in the garage and removed and cleaned the jet. It was occluded optically and physically. In the Crux Lite the jet threads into the valve body. The path from the gas cartridge to the jet is like a knights move through what must be a sandwich layer airspace (if that maeks any sense). I was able to insert my Primus jet cleaner needle into the orifices and improved the flow. However there remains more constriction than i think is optimal. There seems to be no way to open it up further wothout possible damage. So i have immersed it in vinegar and will wait overnight in am effort to dissolve or loosen particles (probably from dirty fuel and the camping environment). I don't know if that is going to help. I do think the stove will work again. An observation i have is that stove reviews don't always cover service and maintenance issues. I boughty Crux Lite based upon price and availability and the brand name. Years ago I hadn't heard about the BRS and honestly if i did I wouldn't have chosen it. As a consumer and outdoors enthusiast at 64 years old I have owned and used many stoves. The Cruz was the first cannister stove i ever bought. Previously i stuck to gas stoves for the Backcountry. Obviously the cleanliness, weight saving and ease of use is amazing compared to petrol and kerosene. Meantime about half the time i rely on a Kelly Kettle for a group of two when it is permissible. Ultimately it would be good to know about serviceability before buying a stove. BTW, our Crux stove platform is too small for a lot of our pots and kettles and the arms have become very difficult to open and close (I'll try to fix that next). After 7 years with this stove im not in love with it. If im by myself ill either not bring a stove or bring something elaborate because no on is waiting on me. Field service and repairability is a feature.
REALLY good series as you're testing well known brands AND what I like to refer to as the "amazon cheap-light" gear... very informative for the new and experienced!
Excellent product review. I found large snap on gas bottle base stands worked great preventing larger pots from falling over. Still fit nicely in a backpack 🎒
I have an Optimus Crux and my issue is when the canister is a little older. It seems like when you light it and crank it up the stove runs great but it slowly slows down so you have to regularly turn it up in order to maintain the same flame. If you forget it eventually just goes out. My guess is an older canister gets colder as it runs which reduces the pressure and this stove can't regulate it. Just guessing though.
Luke, I think that the final evaluation, after all of the boil tests are completed, would be a test to see how long each stove will burn on a full canister of fuel. You could weigh the canisters to make sure it is a fair evaluation. That should be an interesting test.
Luke, as someone who likes to cook, I'd be interested in a study of how well the stoves work on a very low flame (simmer) under reasonably windy conditions. Perhaps an oscillating house fan could be used to simulate outdoor conditions. I realize that backpackers mostly boil water for rehydrating food but can the stove be used for car camping, etc? How stable is a small frying pan or bush pot on the stove? Frying an egg is a good test for low to medium heat because nobody likes a burned crispy egg. Maybe Susan could assist you in such a study? Thanks for all the interesting testing you perform. Great job!
Yes, I have the Optimus Crux Lite, I knew it would do awesome, thanks for the honest review Luke, God bless you and your Family always and forever.🇺🇸🇺🇸 P.s I'm also going to get the Pocket Rocket as a second, just in case stove. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good info and thanks for the video. But can we please get before and after canister weights. It would be good to know how well speed correlates to efficiency.
I have both the CRUX Lite and the BRS 3000T, the crux lite uses 13 grams of gas to boil 500ml of water and the BRS 3000T uses 9 grams of gas to boil 500ml of water. My Primus ETA Lite uses 6.5 grams of gas to boil 500 ml of water, all with lids on.
@@tattoorocker I no longer use it, as I find it too susceptible to wind. I now mostly use a Soto Amicus and Primus eta lite. The Soto is a great stove, quite wind resistant as fast as the pocket rocket but uses a little less gas, most likely due to it's better wind resistance. I have come to the conclusion that there is no perfect or right stove you just choose the one bedt suited to your circumstance. I do feel that the pocket rocket and crux lite are the most durable. The stove I was most disappointed in was the Jet boil Zip. Very fuel efficient, but the only stove I've had blow out multiple times in a boil. My favorite poss the most likely prone to breakage. The Soto because of its many parts and the Primus because of its igniter and the plastic housing that contains the tap and jet. One further thing the pocket rocket seems to be the least fussy of all.
Hey Luke, these videos are a lot of fun! I was just thinking adding a total time to burn out a canister would be good to add. This way we not only know who is faster, but who will give more meals per canister in a sense. Just a thought. Cheers.
That was fast, I would like to see the Crux go up against the D power stove. I have gotten a rolling boil on the D power at about the same time. Thanks, take care.
Obviously, they're all good stoves. I wonder if the more dispersed flame of the Crux has anything to do with the results. Luke, hope your stomach issues are better brother. Thanks for the video.
Hey, Luke ! Great vid ! What the difference between the Crux Lite stove, that you just used, and the Crux stove that collapses ??? I have the fixed one, my son has the one that folds. Any help with that info will be greatly appreciated. Strength and Honor.
Seems that maybe all the heat was going up the sides (possibly also indicated by the time taken to form small bubbles). In any case, with two stoves running so close the fuel consumption may well be the next factor. Also as some others have commented, speed is only one factor; stability, consumption, price, etc, being others. Coming back to speed, it could well be that the larger BTU capacity will perform much better on a pot instead of a mug. Ahh... so many things to do and so little time.
Using the Crux Lite and a 750ml Jetboil pot with the flux ring (neoprene removed) and a aluminum foil lid (made from a pie pan) i can boil 2 cups of cold tap water in 1 minute & 40-50 seconds.
I am sure that speed is somewhat important, but what about the other factors such as excellent fuel efficiency, excellent simmering capabilities, 10,000 BTUs, and a design that includes a built in wind screen that provides superior performance, especially in windy conditions. How about the construction of the stove, and its features, like four pot stand legs instead of three for better stability, or more durable brass fittings instead of aluminum, or a convenient piezo electric igniter, instead of manually using a lighter? A fast boil time is good, but I think that most stoves will come in under the three minute mark, and certainly four minutes, which is more than adequate. However, it is the boil time combined with all of the other factors that determine the best stove. For my money, the Soto Windmaster, and the Soto Amicus are the best stoves when looking at the total package, but the rest are all good performers as you have pointed out.
How much fuel did each of them use? Also, how do they compare in size, weight, durability, manufacturing quality, price, space etc.? At some point, it would be nice to see a side-by-side spreadsheet comparison of them all. I cannot imagine a scenario where two seconds of boiling time would make any appreciable difference in an emergency. But, as always, thanks for the video.
While this is somewhat useful for comparison purposes, what fool would be trying to boil water in a hurry without putting a cover on it? If speed is your main criteria you are not taking other things into consideration enough. Just my opinion, but I'd want to know how sturdy it is, reliability, weight, ease of operation, simmer capabilities, resistance to wind, etc. I'd agree this would be a better test if the amount of fuel being used was also factored in.
Yeah, everything you said really. They are all going to take around the same time, to within a few seconds to boil. Reliability is by far the biggest selling point.
For me it's more important how practical a stove is more than how fast it boils water. I'd like to hear more about how easy it is to use. How stable a pot rests on it. How it packs. How reliable it is. How much it weighs.
I have somewhat similar opinion...
I am sure that speed is somewhat important, but what about the other factors such as excellent fuel efficiency, excellent simmering capabilities, 10,000 BTUs, and a design that includes a built in wind screen that provides superior performance, especially in windy conditions.
How about the construction of the stove, and its features, like four pot stand legs instead of three for better stability, or more durable brass fittings instead of aluminum, or a convenient piezo electric igniter, instead of manually using a lighter?
A fast boil time is good, but I think that most stoves will come in under the three minute mark, and certainly four minutes, which is more than adequate.
However, it is the boil time combined with all of the other factors that determine the best stove.
For my money, the Soto Windmaster, and the Soto Amicus are the best stoves when looking at the total package, but the rest are all good performers as Luke has pointed out.
I have this stove and absolutely love it. Built great and works great.
Instead of bubbles as the gauge use a thermometer no rolling boil as long as were doing it lets be spot on . Great revues as always. Happy Trails.
Luke, it would've been interesting to weigh the fuel canisters after the test to determine how much fuel was used for each stove to boil water. Was the 2 seconds faster a value or a cost? Thanks for all your reviews. They're really valuable when deciding what to put my money on.
I'm going with the bsr been using one for years super light and compact hasn't ever let me down I can live with the 12 second longer boil time lol love the reviews
that's what I have I only bought because of the weight and the price I haven't used it a lot though
Great channel. Our Crux Lite clogged up during our last week long trip on the third day last week. It's not unusual for a well used stove to have problems. Ours is many years old and has been a good economical tool. I couldn't break it down in the field. I had strong pliers. Anyway, I have broken it down using proper tools in the garage and removed and cleaned the jet. It was occluded optically and physically. In the Crux Lite the jet threads into the valve body. The path from the gas cartridge to the jet is like a knights move through what must be a sandwich layer airspace (if that maeks any sense). I was able to insert my Primus jet cleaner needle into the orifices and improved the flow. However there remains more constriction than i think is optimal. There seems to be no way to open it up further wothout possible damage. So i have immersed it in vinegar and will wait overnight in am effort to dissolve or loosen particles (probably from dirty fuel and the camping environment). I don't know if that is going to help. I do think the stove will work again. An observation i have is that stove reviews don't always cover service and maintenance issues. I boughty Crux Lite based upon price and availability and the brand name. Years ago I hadn't heard about the BRS and honestly if i did I wouldn't have chosen it. As a consumer and outdoors enthusiast at 64 years old I have owned and used many stoves. The Cruz was the first cannister stove i ever bought. Previously i stuck to gas stoves for the Backcountry. Obviously the cleanliness, weight saving and ease of use is amazing compared to petrol and kerosene. Meantime about half the time i rely on a Kelly Kettle for a group of two when it is permissible. Ultimately it would be good to know about serviceability before buying a stove. BTW, our Crux stove platform is too small for a lot of our pots and kettles and the arms have become very difficult to open and close (I'll try to fix that next). After 7 years with this stove im not in love with it. If im by myself ill either not bring a stove or bring something elaborate because no on is waiting on me. Field service and repairability is a feature.
Did the vinegar work? I’ve heard submerging the top in boiling water helps, though it sounds like the blockage is all the way through yours
REALLY good series as you're testing well known brands AND what I like to refer to as the "amazon cheap-light" gear... very informative for the new and experienced!
Excellent product review.
I found large snap on gas bottle base stands worked great preventing larger pots from falling over. Still fit nicely in a backpack 🎒
I have an Optimus Crux and my issue is when the canister is a little older. It seems like when you light it and crank it up the stove runs great but it slowly slows down so you have to regularly turn it up in order to maintain the same flame. If you forget it eventually just goes out. My guess is an older canister gets colder as it runs which reduces the pressure and this stove can't regulate it. Just guessing though.
Luke, I think that the final evaluation, after all of the boil tests are completed, would be a test to see how long each stove will burn on a full canister of fuel. You could weigh the canisters to make sure it is a fair evaluation. That should be an interesting test.
Luke, as someone who likes to cook, I'd be interested in a study of how well the stoves work on a very low flame (simmer) under reasonably windy conditions. Perhaps an oscillating house fan could be used to simulate outdoor conditions. I realize that backpackers mostly boil water for rehydrating food but can the stove be used for car camping, etc? How stable is a small frying pan or bush pot on the stove? Frying an egg is a good test for low to medium heat because nobody likes a burned crispy egg. Maybe Susan could assist you in such a study? Thanks for all the interesting testing you perform. Great job!
You should do an episode in the room with the bird. It would be fun to meet your noisy buddy!
Yes, I have the Optimus Crux Lite, I knew it would do awesome, thanks for the honest review Luke, God bless you and your Family always and forever.🇺🇸🇺🇸
P.s I'm also going to get the Pocket Rocket as a second, just in case stove. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good info and thanks for the video. But can we please get before and after canister weights. It would be good to know how well speed correlates to efficiency.
The optimus is cool too, but something just draws me to the pocket rocket 2. Thanks luke and helpful review.
how a bout the gas consumption? if its 15 seconds slower but burns 2x less gas i`ll go for 15 seconds longer
Great idea, weighting the canister before and after the test would give us some great insight.
I have both the CRUX Lite and the BRS 3000T, the crux lite uses 13 grams of gas to boil 500ml of water and the BRS 3000T uses 9 grams of gas to boil 500ml of water. My Primus ETA Lite uses 6.5 grams of gas to boil 500 ml of water, all with lids on.
@@k.whiking4372 how do you like your brs stove I have one but I haven't used it much
@@tattoorocker I no longer use it, as I find it too susceptible to wind. I now mostly use a Soto Amicus and Primus eta lite. The Soto is a great stove, quite wind resistant as fast as the pocket rocket but uses a little less gas, most likely due to it's better wind resistance. I have come to the conclusion that there is no perfect or right stove you just choose the one bedt suited to your circumstance. I do feel that the pocket rocket and crux lite are the most durable. The stove I was most disappointed in was the Jet boil Zip. Very fuel efficient, but the only stove I've had blow out multiple times in a boil. My favorite poss the most likely prone to breakage. The Soto because of its many parts and the Primus because of its igniter and the plastic housing that contains the tap and jet. One further thing the pocket rocket seems to be the least fussy of all.
@@k.whiking4372 nice I've been looking for another stove I've been thinking about getting another stove
i just got a crux for this season. will use it and the BRS
Hey Luke, these videos are a lot of fun! I was just thinking adding a total time to burn out a canister would be good to add. This way we not only know who is faster, but who will give more meals per canister in a sense. Just a thought. Cheers.
The testing shall continue with more stoves coming soon.
What stoves do you suggest?
- Luke
Optimus Nova with gas vs optimus nova with diesel
Unleash the Jetboil!
Soto micro regulator!
The Olicamp Ion Micro.. also curious to know what the temp of the fuel canisters are
That was fast, I would like to see the Crux go up against the D power stove. I have gotten a rolling boil on the D power at about the same time. Thanks, take care.
Obviously, they're all good stoves. I wonder if the more dispersed flame of the Crux has anything to do with the results. Luke, hope your stomach issues are better brother. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the info and it was a great stove and thanks for sharing. great video:)
Hey, Luke !
Great vid !
What the difference between the Crux Lite stove, that you just used, and the Crux stove that collapses ???
I have the fixed one, my son has the one that folds.
Any help with that info will be greatly appreciated.
Strength and Honor.
Seems that maybe all the heat was going up the sides (possibly also indicated by the time taken to form small bubbles). In any case, with two stoves running so close the fuel consumption may well be the next factor.
Also as some others have commented, speed is only one factor; stability, consumption, price, etc, being others.
Coming back to speed, it could well be that the larger BTU capacity will perform much better on a pot instead of a mug.
Ahh... so many things to do and so little time.
Using the Crux Lite and a 750ml Jetboil pot with the flux ring (neoprene removed) and a aluminum foil lid (made from a pie pan) i can boil 2 cups of cold tap water in 1 minute & 40-50 seconds.
Is there any difference between the crux and the crux light?
Hey Luke, nice test, I just bought new equipment for the summer overnights,, thanks for your expertize, g from brooklyn
Nice! What did you get Gary? - Luke
I am sure that speed is somewhat important, but what about the other factors such as excellent fuel efficiency, excellent simmering capabilities, 10,000 BTUs, and a design that includes a built in wind screen that provides superior performance, especially in windy conditions.
How about the construction of the stove, and its features, like four pot stand legs instead of three for better stability, or more durable brass fittings instead of aluminum, or a convenient piezo electric igniter, instead of manually using a lighter?
A fast boil time is good, but I think that most stoves will come in under the three minute mark, and certainly four minutes, which is more than adequate.
However, it is the boil time combined with all of the other factors that determine the best stove.
For my money, the Soto Windmaster, and the Soto Amicus are the best stoves when looking at the total package, but the rest are all good performers as you have pointed out.
How much fuel did each of them use? Also, how do they compare in size, weight, durability, manufacturing quality, price, space etc.? At some point, it would be nice to see a side-by-side spreadsheet comparison of them all. I cannot imagine a scenario where two seconds of boiling time would make any appreciable difference in an emergency. But, as always, thanks for the video.
Could you please weight the gas canister before and after to see how much gas was used.
Thank
..all faster with a lid ? do you have vids for car camping stoves, which can be heavier ?
Too close for me to care LOL...
I would like to see you t st the Soto Windmaster, it is a great stove.
Try the ETEKCITY stove, I use that one and for the money its amazing.
How about the Olicamp ION Micro Titanium? It has decent power for it's size.
Put all the fuel canister's in the freezer for your next test. Fuels with a low evap temp typically don't perform well when in cold ambient temps.
I'd like to know how long each will use up a full canister at full throttle
would be cool to see how the jetbiol mightyMo stands up they say that it can boil 32oz of water in 3:15
Can you put the Campingaz mini stove up for the competition?
Great information
Thanks Louis. What's new buddy? - Luke
Test the Soto Micro Regulator Stove, 11000 btu
Price per second, at work might have to look at this later!!
While this is somewhat useful for comparison purposes, what fool would be trying to boil water in a hurry without putting a cover on it? If speed is your main criteria you are not taking other things into consideration enough. Just my opinion, but I'd want to know how sturdy it is, reliability, weight, ease of operation, simmer capabilities, resistance to wind, etc. I'd agree this would be a better test if the amount of fuel being used was also factored in.
Yeah, everything you said really. They are all going to take around the same time, to within a few seconds to boil. Reliability is by far the biggest selling point.
what is the cost of each?
Hi Luke how's your health now...takecare bro..
I'm healing up I think. Still no coffee but that's a small sacrifice. Thanks for asking. - Luke
Is the bird acting as the referee for the versus match ups?
try the EtekCity stove
JetBoil next?
That would be a jet boil
Olicamp Kinetic Ultra Titanium Stove
i'll stick with my coleman propane
i dont want a stove that makes me think it will fall over