Can I add a romantic story about jug and bottle , please? In 1942 , my Dad wanted to get engaged but dreaded asking my Gran and Grandad for their permission .He agreed with my Mum that they would buy a brown jug full of beer from the Fountain pub in Mitcham . This would ease the question. The first jug came and went and my Dad still hadn’t asked . As they walked down for the second jug , my Mum laid down an ultimatum. If he didn’t ask , it was off .! OMy Dad did ask my Gran ( Granny Boxall - a formidable woman ) but she said he had to ask my Grandad ! He did and Mr Del Monte - he said Yes ! They were happily married thereafter. I’ve still got the brown jug .
You can blame the sixties and seventies for most of this disgraceful destruction of our built environment so if you are from the era you were complicit.
@@neilboulton9813 It started pretty soon after the war, if not before, at least on paper. I remember seeing a film from 1948, telling how 'wonderful' it was going to be!
Nice little Historical vid on one of Londons less celebrated boroughs.( And not enough of this type information is exchanged& certainly not taught in schools)
I am 78 years old. This brings back memories for me. When I was a young child, I remember seeing women going to the pubs to get their beer in a jug. This was in Gateshead, not sure when the tradition died out there.
1:05 You shocked me to the bone when you showed the picture of the Wheatsheaf as it used to be. Such a fine building, and look at the atrocity it is now! It's so ugly it's a disgrace to the human species.
@@1258-Eckhart I don't know whether the tiles were covered up or removed, as happened to the Bull pub despite that building being locally listed, see my video ruclips.net/video/xzTEja9SsFg/видео.htmlsi=yFkFls-jNSiVLNfb
There is a lot of this cultural decay going on in England. Lots of places, especially in towns, that used to be absolute jewels, but now they're complete dumps. Nobody cares for the past, nobody cares to make the place nice.
I remember Steptoe & Son 'Full House' when he sent Harold out with a jug to get beer while he wins all his money back from losing it at poker, this reminded me of that though i think he sent him to the pub with the jug but does show Harold at the end walking back into the yard with the jug full of beer. Cool video, cheers.
I've never been to Mitcham. But I really appreciate this kind of local history. You can give me all the details of any place, it's all interesting. It all adds up to the history of our country
Off sales through a hatch was fairly common until (from memory) the mid-1980s. The closest thing in recent times are off licenses that, in addition to bottled beers, wines and spirit sales, have a few draught pumps from which beer can be bought in your own container or one supplied by the shop. Less common were pubs that kept beer in jugs behind the counter, to be served into a pint glass. Usually these were home brew establishments - what would today be called brewery taps - without the sales volume to justify pumps from the cellar, or who maintained the jug system simply from tradition.
Maybe London. Myself, my sister and her friend went into a pub in Burford in 1982 and the bar was like a living room. We asked for 2 pints of lager ( 1 pint and two halves) and the very old landlady went down into a cellar and bought up a jug full and gave us 3 empty glasses which she placed on a low table. We were sat on old style leather sofas. The beer was cloudy and tasted sour it was so old. Bless her. Glad to have experienced that. Someone might remember the name of the pub. I cant.
@@michaelbailey2476 but that was a pub that had a licence that let you drink on the premises. The Wheatsheaf's licence didn't allow the customers to drink on the premises. That's the definition of a bottle and jug pub.
Thank you for the weird ways the algorithm showed me this video. Great bit of folk history! I still remember Ireland's relation to licensing in the 1970's, even though being a kid at the time, this bit in Britain brings back those quite similar rules.
There was a Car Tuning place somewhere probably nearby....called 'Mitcham Motors'. It re-engineered car engine motors by 'Gas flowing' the cylinder heads and fitting larger valves to them ( to let more fuel-vapour mixture into the 4 space /volume areas called cylinders.-These areas make a power of the engine, by burning the mixture in millions of tiny controlled explosions.) Sorry if I'm going off track....anyway, Mitcham Motors did these heads, with customers like me who had a Ford Escort ( mine was a Mk.2 ) going there with the original head & swapping it, plus money, for a tuned one. All to go faster ! ! So I took mine down there- by hitching down ( mainly with Lorry Drivers) with it in my Rucksack, in my back ! After the deal was made I kipped-down for a few hours in the undergrowth / shrubbery in a local little Park... I seem to remember it was near a narrowboat canal.... I remember seeing a poster for "Steve Marriott's Packet of Three" & was disappointed that I'd sadly missed- out on that gig ! So I went down to London & back to Preston, Lancashire, with a big lump of car engine on my back . Strong, well-made things, those Berghaus 'Cyclops' rucksacks. This must have been 'roundabout' 1977 . Ahhh those were the days ...
amazing story, thank you for taking the time to tell it! I think Mitcham Motors was at 472 London Road. The park you slept in was likely to be Ravensbury Park, or the Watermeads. The river Wandle runs through both. Less than 10 minutes walk from Mitcham Motors. Can I copy your story on my blog?
Really interesting - thank you! My Grandparents had a very similar business in Attercliffe, the steel making area of Sheffield, during the 1920/30s. Wives would come with jugs (often several times!) to be filled from the handpump with a special weak 'slape ale', specially produced for rehydrating the furnacemen after long shifts in intense heat, by local brewery - Duncan Gilmour. The BBC series 'Back in Time for the Corner Shop' featured just such a re-created business in the same area and even advertising the same brewery on the gable end - it was just like my Grandparents stories televised!
Everybody thinks the same ..... The old picture looked so much better ..... Look at it now basically its a reflection of what's happened to our society
There was also the Satellite in Southbridge Road, Croydon. Though I cannot tell you when that ceased trading. It is a green tiled building halfway up on the left going towards the flyover.
Had one of these in my village , in 1984 when I was 15 and going drinking in the local town where being 6ft plus I never had a problem getting served , I stopped in this off licence as we called them , for some cigarettes and was turned down for being too young . Still makes me laugh as I was drinking beer later.
When Boddingtons still had their Strangeways Brewery, most of their off licences in the area served beer on tap, and had the look of a pub. Sadly all gone now.
The pub in my village used to have a wooden hatch that you could have a jug or bottles filled with beer, they stopped doing this service in the mid '80s and the off licence 50 yds up the road started doing the same service, neither the pub or the off licence are there any more.
There's a pub in Beverley called the White Horse (Nellie's to the locals) with no beer pumps. Beer was served from enamel jugs brought up from the cellar. They were still doing this in the eighties when I last went there.
Worth a video Tweedy? I've seen mention of some pubs having jug and bottle counters and relatives in Bristol talking about taking a jug to the local off licence. Certainly very interesting social history.
I went to a 20/20 at Manchester Old Trafford Cricket Ground & the beer was in Plastic Glasses.😢 You could take your alcohol in with you, but not in Glass bottles or Metal cans. Pathetic really- it was Cricket's Old Trafford, not Man.Utd's.
The pub just round the corner from me used to have a separate entrance for "off sales" up till at leadt the early 80d. The door lead straight into a tiny room with a serving hatch, I think off the main bar. There was no access to the pub itself. Wondering now if it was licensed separately to the pub. If I remember it did have a licensing notice over the door, but I never thought to read it.
Such emporia were common in the USA at one time. I have vague recollection about a related song. . . oh, yes, "No More Beer on Sundays." The beer was sold to anyone tall enough to put the pail on the counter, and to prevent it just being filled with foam, one could put a little grease on the inside.
There’s Clapton craft in Walthamstow, and they have other shops around london too that sells beer on tap to take away, trendy craft beer, not old school but still very nice
I am guessing this is the original 'off licence' - when I first started my drinking career in the very early 1980s you could buy plastic flaggon like containers (can't remember whether they were up to 2 or 4 pints worth) of beer, freshly pulled from the pump in the pub to take home with you.
@mitchamnotes Wasn't aware of Wethers in the early 80s but that could just be that there wasn't one in my area - south manchester - boddies & robbies certainly did them - and yes, you're right about the short measures - caused many an argument with the landlord at throwing out time with some of the old boys especially - Happy Days !
I dug it out of the shed. It is a Wetherspoon 4 pint brown 'carrykeg', with various brewery names on it, so it might have been available during a beer festival. I don't know when they were introduced, or whether they can still be used, but I'd rather drink 4 pints in the pub than pay for 4 and go home with less.
By any chance are you gearing up for a look at The Skinner's Arms? Used to be between Hackbridge and Mitcham Junction but was knocked down probably 20 years ago for housing.
Nice one mate, any chance of doing one on the wonderfull Granada tooting, a beautiful building in its own right , and the entertainers that have appeared there in the past.you could make make a feature film documentary with the content I'm sure, you have a good voice , hope you do well. All the best, Rob, London boy.
you can see some of the the original old green tiles are still there behind the modern signs. I wonder if the old sign of the pub is still there as well.
@mitchamnotes That's good it seemed like there was a bit more information in this one. Is there any chance of redoing the Surrey Iron railway plaque at Mitcham tram stop video?
I'm not sure what this is about. Pretty much every pub I've ever frequented would sell me draft beer to take home. Some even had fold out containers behind the bar for the express purpose.
@@RussellGeorge67 well, this was a pub, it was shown on Ordnance Survey maps as such, it had a licence, so it wasn't an off-licence, but the licence it had meant that customers couldn't consume on the premises. So while pubs, that customers could drink on the premises and possibly have a takeaway, this pub was only for takeaways! The local newspaper article from 1973 said that it could be the last 'jug and bottle' pub in London. Amongst all the comments so far, nobody had told of another jug and bottle pub in London that was around after this one.
Can I add a romantic story about jug and bottle , please?
In 1942 , my Dad wanted to get engaged but dreaded asking my Gran and Grandad for their permission .He agreed with my Mum that they would buy a brown jug full of beer from the Fountain pub in Mitcham . This would ease the question. The first jug came and went and my Dad still hadn’t asked . As they walked down for the second jug , my Mum laid down an ultimatum. If he didn’t ask , it was off .! OMy Dad did ask my Gran ( Granny Boxall - a formidable woman ) but she said he had to ask my Grandad ! He did and Mr Del Monte - he said Yes ! They were happily married thereafter.
I’ve still got the brown jug .
@@kenlavey7771 brilliant story! Thanks for taking the time to tell it.
I've added your story to my blog entry mitchamhistorynotes.com/pubs-2/wheatsheaf/
Nice story!
Looking at the old pictures compared to the modern ones shows the 'Ugly-fication' of our environment.
You can blame the sixties and seventies for most of this disgraceful destruction of our built environment so if you are from the era you were complicit.
@@neilboulton9813 It started pretty soon after the war, if not before, at least on paper. I remember seeing a film from 1948, telling how 'wonderful' it was going to be!
@@SomeOne-p6f Yes in a lot of places what the Luftwaffe started the town planners finished .
Too true.
Nice little Historical vid on one of Londons less celebrated boroughs.( And not enough of this type information is exchanged& certainly not taught in schools)
I am 78 years old. This brings back memories for me. When I was a young child, I remember seeing women going to the pubs to get their beer in a jug. This was in Gateshead, not sure when the tradition died out there.
@@vulgivagu Thanks for taking the time to make your comment!
1:05 You shocked me to the bone when you showed the picture of the Wheatsheaf as it used to be. Such a fine building, and look at the atrocity it is now! It's so ugly it's a disgrace to the human species.
@@1258-Eckhart I don't know whether the tiles were covered up or removed, as happened to the Bull pub despite that building being locally listed, see my video ruclips.net/video/xzTEja9SsFg/видео.htmlsi=yFkFls-jNSiVLNfb
There is a lot of this cultural decay going on in England. Lots of places, especially in towns, that used to be absolute jewels, but now they're complete dumps. Nobody cares for the past, nobody cares to make the place nice.
How has such a once attractive building been allowed to turn into something so ugly in such a short period of time?
It’s unbelievable how atrocious it is now and how decent it was before.
@@crabapples1995 I mean, what happened? Probably a victim of the 1960s craze for tearing down anything Victorian. Drab and soul-destroying now. Grim.
I guess one would only need look at the owners.
I remember Steptoe & Son 'Full House' when he sent Harold out with a jug to get beer while he wins all his money back from losing it at poker, this reminded me of that though i think he sent him to the pub with the jug but does show Harold at the end walking back into the yard with the jug full of beer. Cool video, cheers.
@@ScratchyBaws Brilliant, thanks for that!
I've never been to Mitcham. But I really appreciate this kind of local history. You can give me all the details of any place, it's all interesting. It all adds up to the history of our country
@@db8444 Thanks for taking the time to comment, it's appreciated that my video has a wider appeal.
Off sales through a hatch was fairly common until (from memory) the mid-1980s. The closest thing in recent times are off licenses that, in addition to bottled beers, wines and spirit sales, have a few draught pumps from which beer can be bought in your own container or one supplied by the shop. Less common were pubs that kept beer in jugs behind the counter, to be served into a pint glass. Usually these were home brew establishments - what would today be called brewery taps - without the sales volume to justify pumps from the cellar, or who maintained the jug system simply from tradition.
Yes, in Northampton The Shipmans pub had a hatch for jug and bottle sales up until about 1982. It's still there today, although sealed off.
Lived in Mitcham 20 years and my grandparents been here since 1980 I have always known The Wheatsheaf shop genuinely never knew it was a pub.
Maybe London. Myself, my sister and her friend went into a pub in Burford in 1982 and the bar was like a living room. We asked for 2 pints of lager ( 1 pint and two halves) and the very old landlady went down into a cellar and bought up a jug full and gave us 3 empty glasses which she placed on a low table. We were sat on old style leather sofas. The beer was cloudy and tasted sour it was so old. Bless her. Glad to have experienced that. Someone might remember the name of the pub. I cant.
@@michaelbailey2476 but that was a pub that had a licence that let you drink on the premises. The Wheatsheaf's licence didn't allow the customers to drink on the premises. That's the definition of a bottle and jug pub.
Thank you for the weird ways the algorithm showed me this video. Great bit of folk history!
I still remember Ireland's relation to licensing in the 1970's, even though being a kid at the time, this bit in Britain brings back those quite similar rules.
I live in Salford and every pub had its own out door where they severd beer to take away they looked after the customer then
There was a Car Tuning place somewhere probably nearby....called 'Mitcham Motors'. It re-engineered car engine motors by 'Gas flowing' the cylinder heads and fitting larger valves to them ( to let more fuel-vapour mixture into the 4 space /volume areas called cylinders.-These areas make a power of the engine, by burning the mixture in millions of tiny controlled explosions.) Sorry if I'm going off track....anyway, Mitcham Motors did these heads, with customers like me who had a Ford Escort ( mine was a Mk.2 ) going there with the original head & swapping it, plus money, for a tuned one. All to go faster ! !
So I took mine down there- by hitching down ( mainly with Lorry Drivers) with it in my Rucksack, in my back ! After the deal was made I kipped-down for a few hours in the undergrowth / shrubbery in a local little Park... I seem to remember it was near a narrowboat canal....
I remember seeing a poster for "Steve Marriott's Packet of Three"
& was disappointed that I'd sadly missed- out on that gig !
So I went down to London & back to Preston, Lancashire, with a big lump of car engine on my back .
Strong, well-made things, those Berghaus 'Cyclops' rucksacks. This must have been 'roundabout' 1977 .
Ahhh those were the days ...
amazing story, thank you for taking the time to tell it! I think Mitcham Motors was at 472 London Road. The park you slept in was likely to be Ravensbury Park, or the Watermeads. The river Wandle runs through both. Less than 10 minutes walk from Mitcham Motors. Can I copy your story on my blog?
Really interesting - thank you! My Grandparents had a very similar business in Attercliffe, the steel making area of Sheffield, during the 1920/30s. Wives would come with jugs (often several times!) to be filled from the handpump with a special weak 'slape ale', specially produced for rehydrating the furnacemen after long shifts in intense heat, by local brewery - Duncan Gilmour. The BBC series 'Back in Time for the Corner Shop' featured just such a re-created business in the same area and even advertising the same brewery on the gable end - it was just like my Grandparents stories televised!
Brilliant video. Great memories
Everybody thinks the same ..... The old picture looked so much better ..... Look at it now basically its a reflection of what's happened to our society
There was also the Satellite in Southbridge Road, Croydon. Though I cannot tell you when that ceased trading. It is a green tiled building halfway up on the left going towards the flyover.
It looks so much better now…
😂 Sarcasm is sometimes funny 😂
Mann, Crossman and Pulin- which became absorbed into Watneys and then Grand Metropooitan.
The Albion in Mitcham was a Mann, Crossman and Pulin pub, and their brewery in Whitechapel was called the Albion Brewery.
@mitchamnotes yes, next door to the Blind Beggar PH of Kray shooting fame.
Had one of these in my village , in 1984 when I was 15 and going drinking in the local town where being 6ft plus I never had a problem getting served , I stopped in this off licence as we called them , for some cigarettes and was turned down for being too young . Still makes me laugh as I was drinking beer later.
@ me too, being tall and looking older than my age! I bumped into one of the teachers from my school when I was in the pub ...
Excellent - Great humour too. Ta
I know pebbledash is traditional, but it completely ruined the lovely brickwork these buildings had.
Isnt pebbledash completely modern? Ive never seen it on a traditional building, just on cheaply built or renovated housing meant for us plebs
When Boddingtons still had their Strangeways Brewery, most of their off licences in the area served beer on tap, and had the look of a pub. Sadly all gone now.
The pub in my village used to have a wooden hatch that you could have a jug or bottles filled with beer, they stopped doing this service in the mid '80s and the off licence 50 yds up the road started doing the same service, neither the pub or the off licence are there any more.
There's a pub in Beverley called the White Horse (Nellie's to the locals) with no beer pumps. Beer was served from enamel jugs brought up from the cellar. They were still doing this in the eighties when I last went there.
Thats made me feel rather parched 😂 🍺
There is something oddly beautiful about this. Thank you for bringing it to our attention!
Worth a video Tweedy? I've seen mention of some pubs having jug and bottle counters and relatives in Bristol talking about taking a jug to the local off licence. Certainly very interesting social history.
Very interesting, thanks for that👍
The link between beer and cricket is still strong....
I went to a 20/20 at Manchester Old Trafford Cricket Ground & the beer was in Plastic Glasses.😢 You could take your alcohol in with you, but not in Glass bottles or Metal cans. Pathetic really- it was Cricket's Old Trafford, not Man.Utd's.
The pub just round the corner from me used to have a separate entrance for "off sales" up till at leadt the early 80d. The door lead straight into a tiny room with a serving hatch, I think off the main bar. There was no access to the pub itself. Wondering now if it was licensed separately to the pub. If I remember it did have a licensing notice over the door, but I never thought to read it.
Such emporia were common in the USA at one time. I have vague recollection about a related song. . . oh, yes, "No More Beer on Sundays." The beer was sold to anyone tall enough to put the pail on the counter, and to prevent it just being filled with foam, one could put a little grease on the inside.
There’s Clapton craft in Walthamstow, and they have other shops around london too that sells beer on tap to take away, trendy craft beer, not old school but still very nice
I am guessing this is the original 'off licence' - when I first started my drinking career in the very early 1980s you could buy plastic flaggon like containers (can't remember whether they were up to 2 or 4 pints worth) of beer, freshly pulled from the pump in the pub to take home with you.
I may still have one of those - a 4 pint plastic jug. It might have been Wetherspoons? I was never convinced you would get full measure though.
@mitchamnotes Wasn't aware of Wethers in the early 80s but that could just be that there wasn't one in my area - south manchester - boddies & robbies certainly did them - and yes, you're right about the short measures - caused many an argument with the landlord at throwing out time with some of the old boys especially - Happy Days !
I dug it out of the shed. It is a Wetherspoon 4 pint brown 'carrykeg', with various brewery names on it, so it might have been available during a beer festival. I don't know when they were introduced, or whether they can still be used, but I'd rather drink 4 pints in the pub than pay for 4 and go home with less.
Brakspears pubs used to have these; they called them poly-pins. Still got one somewhere
It's these odd, quirky little traditions that make England the place it is!
By any chance are you gearing up for a look at The Skinner's Arms? Used to be between Hackbridge and Mitcham Junction but was knocked down probably 20 years ago for housing.
@@nahladel my dad once told me that the Skinners had a menagerie, or was it the Queens? Anyway, good suggestion.
Nice one mate, any chance of doing one on the wonderfull Granada tooting, a beautiful building in its own right , and the entertainers that have appeared there in the past.you could make make a feature film documentary with the content I'm sure, you have a good voice , hope you do well. All the best, Rob, London boy.
Sadly lost now
My Local in Lincolnshire is still a jug and bottle pub and i also found one in Derby.
you can see some of the the original old green tiles are still there behind the modern signs. I wonder if the old sign of the pub is still there as well.
Great video,never knew this.Should be retitled 'Off Licence' instead of pub.
@@StephenH-ms9og No, it was a pub! Listed in licenced victualler records and shown as P.H. (public house) on Ordnance Survey maps.
@@mitchamnotes Oh right. Sorry I missed that bit. I grew up in the area and never knew that.
The joys of a pebble dazed building. One of the ugliest things ever done in the UK
Better times. Oh for a time machine !
Love us, just how we are💪🇬🇧💯
Is this a reupload?
I thought I saw this video a few years ago.
@@genericfootyfan Yes. I took down a number of the esrly videos and will be redoing them again.
@mitchamnotes That's good it seemed like there was a bit more information in this one.
Is there any chance of redoing the Surrey Iron railway plaque at Mitcham tram stop video?
@genericfootyfan sure! I can add my moan about the sleeper stones!
@@mitchamnotes Fantastic! 😃
Back in the ‘60s jug beer was available in Ohio. Don’t know what the law is today.
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I'm not sure what this is about. Pretty much every pub I've ever frequented would sell me draft beer to take home. Some even had fold out containers behind the bar for the express purpose.
@@RussellGeorge67 well, this was a pub, it was shown on Ordnance Survey maps as such, it had a licence, so it wasn't an off-licence, but the licence it had meant that customers couldn't consume on the premises. So while pubs, that customers could drink on the premises and possibly have a takeaway, this pub was only for takeaways! The local newspaper article from 1973 said that it could be the last 'jug and bottle' pub in London. Amongst all the comments so far, nobody had told of another jug and bottle pub in London that was around after this one.
@mitchamnotes Ah, ok, I get it now. Kind of a draft off licence.
I'm starting to remember how hard it was to buy booze back in the day.
A lost time
A few bars in spain will fill a jar up for you if you ask them.🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺😂
Architecturally speaking and culturally speaking, what a depressing story!
sad that mitcham has become a crap hole ,i think its called cultural enrichment
Oh , the Wheatsheaf certainly looks better now . I love modern Britain.
Im off now tobdrink my Soy latte and wave my diversity flag
It’s Jug &Bottle 🦧at least get bloody right 🦧
ok, I've changed the title and thumbnail to Jug and Bottle!