@@Froyocharm89 essentially, the surface of Venus is too hot to terraform but that there is a hypothesis that somewhere between the stratosphere and the troposphere is a habitable zone for cloud colonies on(?) Venus
The floor isn't lava, lava requires around 800 - 1200 degrees depending on its composition. Venus is only 400s... Maybe you might find pools of liquid sulfur and metals on the surface. The CO2 is in a gas state that can act as a solvent for life.
haha :) Yeah really. I'm pretty sure we've figured out "walking on the ground" and being in a vacuum. Living on a world with non-stop sulfuric acid storms and not to mention, tidally locked - so terraforming isn't even an option.
Don't forget about the weird day-night cycle, where the Venusian day is slightly longer than the Venusian year. At the very least, every day spent there will be your birthday.
Assuming at least two generations of humanity would live in a Venus colony, they would probably birth new Venusian culture. They would have a different calendar, different work schedules, etc. They might even evolve differently. Eventually, they'd declare independence from us Earthlings. The first extraterrestrials of the Solar System will be born. Anyway, that's assuming the nations of Earth don't start a space war over the potential resources below the clouds of Venus.
People already live on Venus , Venus was once part of the earth . They left from earth a long time ago however we would not survive because at the time in that evolution they could adapt and would have biologically evolved as they moved further out. If a Eskimo suddenly moved to Hawaii .. would likely get very sick and lung problems because of the extreme differences. We adapt to the environment. Most planets are occupied but we would not survive on their planet unless adapted over long period of time or create bubble colonies with our own atmosphere . Which is already being done .
In a sci-fi game called Metroid Prime 3, there's exactly this concept in the planet Etra, covered with thick, white clouds. A floating city is however built by an advanced civilazation, Elysia. It's marvelous.
Why don't we just try and chill out on the big business that's causing climate change, then we can stay here long enough to find an earth like planet (or plan) to go to? #save earth. Lol
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+spike378 The hell you mean barely? We walked on the moon plenty of times. And the capability of modern tech to get us there is real. The only thing stopping us is funding and budget cuts.
there’s way to many comments from people who haven’t watched the video so i felt like i should clear stuff up. venus’ surface is extremely hot and we could not survive there, what is proposed is building a sky colony. in venus’ upper atmosphere there are temperatures similar to earth, protection from radiation, is much closer, and similar gravity. that being said floating a blimp on venus would be much easier than landing a ship on mars.
@@orionfilms4405 In the video he said in the air, at 50-30 km circa, temperatures are arround the 70°C (I don't know how many °F are) and so less to the boiling water temperature. Yes, it would be hot but the firefighters in their suit can resist at over 100°C temperatures too, so if we want to go on Venus we'll wear special suit for the heat. At least better than be crushed by the gravity force and return on Earth with broken bones
The Venus I saw was not hot!!!!! people wearing short shirt clothes, but women wore long dresses!!!Thet temp they gave us is a lie, but it may have been that temp in the clouds!! but not on land!!!
Is so stupid that we are talking about having Sky colonies when we can't manage earth colonies that are a lot safer. Venus is probably the most stupid planet to go colonize as Mars' moons have a lot more resources than any moon known and are amazing to create cheaper transportation. Not to say that the earth is quite more predictable than the sky on a planet like Venus. And please... let's not start talking about radiation...
That requires extra energy. It is easy to get a cozy environment during winters by burning some coal, heaters etc. than to use air conditioners to cool down a room which has a higher cost. I live in India and we have to deal with hot weather maximum time of the year.
well we would have four times the solar energy distribution on Venus, not sure what it is on Mars, but more energy is a good thing. We've already solved the cooling issue, it just needs energy, and current air conditioners achieve a cop of around 7 in ideal conditions.
you could use a system similar to that of geothermal energy by putting pipe covered with acid resist coatings that nasa has already has made near the surface the pressure on the pipe would keep water liquid and have one pipe pressurized to the surface and another to the cloud city having a tank between the two pipes so heat can build and it could be use as a battery and run steam turbine off the heat of the planet i mean the planet is an earth sized solar planet with no tap if you put the city in a ballon of "earth" air to float the only problem would be heat other then building the dam things in orbit or on the planet
+Jadinandrews However, energy is not the issue when it come to cooling. The problem is how to transfer the heat from the interior to the exterior when the exterior environment is too hot to cool the condenser. As you can imagine, if the condenser can't be cooled, there is not air conditioning in the structure we build.
@@jdoexrayvision artificial gravity could be implemented by utilization of centrifugal force. the space station could still orbit venus so that O2 could be extracted from CO2 as the video suggests but we would not have to worry about terraforming the planet or building cloud cities kilometers above the surface as suggested
I think the lack of oxygen, the extreme temperatures, the acid clouds/rain, the UV radiation and the high pressure could all take a little part in killing you, so in short: yes, if you're falling, you're dead.
70°C is the high bar for the temperatures at the earthlike pressure zone, they do get down to 30°C, and most likely, a bit cooler in shade, so we've dealt with worse here on Earth, since we have places that maintain ~50°C
@super gamer 3 3 Knowing that something is an acid on an acid-base scale is not sufficient to know whether it will melt an umbrella. Vinegar is quite acidic yet won't melt your umbrella.
TearDownGenesis I'm pretty sure the city had been well established for 400 something years before Vader came along. Although I suppose that is pretty insignificant in "A long time ago" time.
I think it could be argued that it is also more cost effective as firstly, you don't need to land, the density of the air will just adjust with the surrounding and it will float. You can also use the temperature to generate energy. Lastly, because it is closer to the sun, it has a smaller orbit (I'm unsure of the speed though) and that should allow more flights to and from both planets.
"You can also use the temperature to generate energy" ... Actually not. You cannot extract energy from a temperature. You can only utilize a temperature difference (or any other energy difference for that matter) to gain energy. Imagine a mass in a gravitational field, it has potential energy but you can only extract that energy if you're able to let that mass drop.
@@historynerd6630 Yes, that's what I meant. It's similar to a geothermal energy powerplant. You take something like water and drop it down a tube, it will turn some turbines. Then shift it and once it gets low enough, it should boil due to the heat of the surface. The gas should rise and expand, turning more turbines, and you can bring it back to the start when it condenses.
@@aaravbhatt760 I would not suggest using tubes for that. we are talking about quite a distance there. But you could drop a balloon down to boil the water, use the steam for power and the vapour as a lifting gas, so it comes up again.
I am a bit late to this discussion, but the biggest reason I see for Mars winning out over Venus is because you can access all the resources of mars (especially now that they found water). On Venus, your stuck in the atmosphere with little resources that you could utilize. I remember reading a story about how using robots and 3d printers, you could build a base on the moon just by using the moon's resources. I think that would be a huge problem on Venus.
I feel that shouldn't be a permanent problem, once we sequester the atmosphere then it becomes a non-issue, where the low gravity will be a persistent problem on the moon and mars with unless you're trying to crash planets together (which can cause issues of it's own) the moon and mars could cause problems with muscle and bone atrophy
You might only be joking, but you're propagating the notion that humans are highly compressible. If humans could breathe at 90atm pressure, our bodies would shrink only slightly at that pressure. We would not be crushed flat. Put another way, if a human corpse sinks to a deep depth, it doesn't get squished badly, let alone into two dimensions. The reason pressure kills humans is that it alters chemistry in the body. SCUBA divers who go below 35 meters don't die from the pressure, they die from altered biochemistry.
Also, I see that it would not be so beneficial to use a base that contains carbon, as was mentioned in the video that venus has enough carbon dioxide, potassium or sodium hydroxide would likely be much better choices
@kritters 1 not even the mine concept itself, it's about transportation and logistics; but I believe that where is the money it's where IS the human's will.
Better to just mine asteroids. Tow them to a processing facility near earth (maybe on the moon) and space elevator the stuff down to pull more ships up into space. If we find asteroids from dead planets they will be full of heavy and rare elements.
"Why is no one talking about going to Venus? Its much better than Mars" "The surface is only 450 degrees and the pressure will crush you, but other than that you will be fine"
@@AverageAlien exactly . People rambling on about humans causing climate change and all other bs. Most of them dont understand what they're even saying.
@@194_jason_ I'm not saying CO2 doesnt trap heat. I'm saying we overestimate our power massively. The earths orbit changes every 100,000 years or so, which means that there are periods that are warmer than others. The earth is still recovering from it's most recent ice age, or glacial period.
@Average Alien _ It is not about overestimating anything, it is about manipulating a natural phenomenon and manipulate it to create a world government by using it as a pretext for a global disaster so that everyone should accept whatever will be pushed upon him as a global solution for a global problem.
One advantage of going to Mars is that its lesser gravity would make it much easier to launch rockets from. The far greater portion of the energy of the rockets we launch on earth is used escaping the earth's gravity.
If you can't reach the surface there is no point in colonizing the planet. You can't mine it's resources so a colony there would be a glorified version of the ISS. You want a colony to become self sustaining, not requiring earth to send it a care package when it gets low on iron or aluminium.
what are you going to use iron for in an acidic environment? Why would you even consider that with the plentiful supply & resourses to make carbon fibre materials with no fossil fuels or energy needed to make them? Anything you need for solar panels & conductors can be mined/collected from the top of the mountains, everything else is in the air
michael, yes we definitely could! We have the tech now to make robots that can survive those conditions, just costs more is all. Also though, we could have them start a mine & then put air tight seals onto it - like we'd have to on Mars or anywhere else. On venus they'd have to be able to withstand heat as well, but we can easily do that. Once inside the mine, we can pump out the extra atmosphere to drop it to an earth like level, just like a submarine does underwater on earth (venus pressure is only equal to half way to titanic) & once that's done, the mine operates in conditions on par with many on earth. A hot earth mine yes, but the heat's only coming from the pressure & it's heating of the surface, so once the pressure's out, the temp drops & the the lower underground we go, the more cool earth like it becomes in natural temperature down there, so no special robots needed to work the mines, could even put people down there if we really wanted to. Just need good door seals & good records of where the volcanoes are active & likely to erupt on the surface - dig into or near one of them & it WILL be hot lol
Colonizing Venus or Mars is out of reach at the moment. It's simply too expensive to get the materials from the surface of either planet, back to Earth. The cost of launching rockets is simply too high. Even if the surface of Mars were covered in 24k gold, it wouldn't be worth it to pick it up and bring it back. We would send missions there to learn how to survive in an unfriendly environment. You can land on Mars but you're essentially living in a vacuum on top of irradiated, poisonous soil. There is no easily accessible water. The atmosphere is so thin that any faults in your habitat could lead to explosive decompression. You'd have to live in a pressure vessel. You can't land on Venus and you have to live in the mildly acidic clouds in a floating habitat. There is no easily accessible water. Venus offers the easier place to start for a few reasons. The dense atmosphere may be slightly acidic, but we already have plenty of cheap plastics that tolerate those levels of acidity and heat 50 kilometers up. You likely own some of it already and it's stuck to the inside of your frying pans. Teflon (PTFE) could coat every surface and make your habitat basically non-reactive. The Sulfuric acid can be heated above 300 Celsius where it will break apart into SO3 and H2O, and provide a source of water. You have options for very useful chemistry in the atmosphere of Venus, that don't exist on Mars. More importantly to the crew, Venus' thick atmosphere generates a magnetic field of sorts that would provide protection against solar radiation. The proximity to the sun means solar panels work better. Venusian gravity is much closer to that of Earth compared to Mars. The temperatures in the Venusian atmosphere are tolerable if you fill the habitat with Earth air. If you attach hydrogen balloons and raise the habitat higher still, you could walk outside with no need for anything but a HAZMAT suit and an air supply. Also, because of the buoyant properties of gasses, the larger you make your habitat, the better it floats! So build giant, mostly plastic habitats coated in PTFE. Cover them with solar panels and include a couple RTGs as heat sources and backup electricity sources. The chemical reactions conducted for water and oxygen production can also produce plenty of hydrogen and carbon, which would give you the ability to also make the fuel you need for return trips. Oh, and Venus is much closer, making transit times lower.
Ya you would need to have the city in motion at all times, of course 116 days means an incredibly slow rotation so you could stay in the sun with 10-20kph indefinitely. Does also mean you can't survey a single piece of land for too long, need to leave any landers to their fate and that everything put on the ground will be subjected to 116 days of sun and 116 days of pitch black.
I will have to agree and disagree. As of right now I would agree with that statement but in let's say 20 years I would have to disagree with this statement given that we are in a golden age (not really a golden age but bare with me) of technological advancements.
You could have a solar powered blimp thing that has factories on board so it can repair itself, but it would ultimately need to have a commercial benefit like mining.
It's simply a matter of buoyancy...displace enough volume and you float - like a cargo ship in the sea. Ingenious!! Love it! More enrichment from pbs. Thank you!
I don't know why you are so negative. Let's colonize the planet that have eaten any prove we have send (including balloons) in less than a week. Later we'll go to the sun. It will be ok, will go by night.
+400c is on the surface, where there is ZERO wind or radiation or sulfuric acid. You can only encounter the wind & sulfuric acid at heights where the temp is on par with Hawaii & radiation there is no-where on venus you can go to get that anywhere near Mars levels
Didn't say he can't. I said maybe it's not really ideal to go to a place where the temperature's twice as in an oven where a whole chicken gets done in an hour and half.
I really want to believe in this, to go another planet or system. It's exciting. Either we adapt to space by evolution or we improve our tech to protect us and travel much more efficient/safer/faster. It's simple as that. On way or the other it's gonna take a while.
Feminazi, you make some excellent points. Venus is by far the better choice for long term colonization. The issues with Venus can be dealt with in the short term and even tarraformed in the long term. Mars on the other hand, the only way it get's workable is if we crash shit(moons and such) into it enough to increase it's mass and melt it's core. Simon, you don't understand thermal energy. It requires a temperature variation to work not just just heat. You need hot and cold. Same with winds, to get wind energy you need a fixed platform. We can't have a fixed platform cause we can't utilize the surface. Power generation on Venus would have to be solar, both direct solar to electricity using solar panels. And biological solar using plants. Plants would by far be the ideal, with all the carbon dioxide, sun, and heat they'd grow like crazy and provide oxygen, cooling, energy, building materials, and of course food. We'd have to build giant floating greenhouses.
Let's just take a moment to realize how amazing this is, I mean 100 years ago it could take weeks just to cross the Atlantic Ocean and now we're making plans to go to other planets
In 1969 we landed a man on the moon. Since the Apollo missions we had only gone to low Earth orbit. After the Shuttle we had to bum rides from our adversaries the Russians. In fact even using their engines to launch some of our own satellites. We then turned space over to the public sector which has had to re-learn how to do it all over again. At this rate it is highly unlikely that we will have to worry about going to either planet in the near future. We Americans hold on to our past achievements in space like a Miami Dolphins fan holds on to the 1972 perfect season to feel good about themselves. While great achievements, they mean less and less as time goes by.
@@mikeray4902 I suppose if you count manned missions. We've landed probes on asteroids, flew past Jupiter and pluto even voyager 1 is one light speed day away from earth. apart from transport space exploration really doesn't need the meat sacks along from the ride anymore.
Imagine falling off the cloud city, 50km above ground level, where the toxicity, pressure and heat get higher as you fall down. That would be one of the worst ways to die ngl
If you fell of Venusian Cloud City it would take you hours to hit the ground because of how thick the atmosphere is. And of course the other conditions are so lethal that it's guaranteed that you would be dead before you hit the ground.
@@GregorBarclay You underestimate human resilience. Someone who fell from such height may still be alive but in critical conditions, that's possible, and is excruciatingly agonizing. These risks do not stop us from building tall structures, so why not blimps on Venus? #OccupyVenus
1. like you said, this idea is unpopular thus is unlikely to be funded 2. in the unlikely event that this project gets all the funding it needs, by the time we've done prototyping, unmanned mission tests etc with the floating structure concept, we will probably already have ten cities on mars 3. mars is a great vantage point and check point/refuelling station for outer solar system exploration. some moons orbiting jubiter and saturn are potentially more habitable than mars so eventually we'd like to go there. and mars is the perfect springboard. however if we went for venus instead of mars, we are just further away from the outer solar system, not closer.
@@terrafirma249 Yeah his comment was kind of dumb... I think he meant the orbiting paths of the planets through the years... When a planet is on opposite sides of the Sun...
Terra Firma first off you do know if we’re constantly rotating the sun that means other planets o. The other side of the sun would rotate meaning we would never see them since the sun is so massive in size
ChocoTacoJR PUBGM no it will become a red giant before it cools down and turns into a white dwarf. When it turns into a red giant Venus will actually be swallowed by the sun most likely
Heh, yeah. Seriously though, buoyancy could be achieved with 'hard' materials having fine, gas filled poring. Thinking of aerogels here. Veritasium on that: ruclips.net/video/AeJ9q45PfD0/видео.html
Literally not. Because the pressure differential can be very low, it would take ages to leak significant amounts, so you have time to plug any leak. And for example, we could use ultra-light solids, so there would be no leak possible.
There are microbes living in some of the most extreme environments on Earth. I'm curious to know if there could be similar microbial life on Venus. What would it take to build a probe which could carry out the search on the Venusian surface?
There is a HUGE advantage to surfacism for any serious, long term colonization. One is that you have dirt. Seed it with organics and you have farms. Another is that a technical failure won't send you plunging miles to your death. Another is that even with Venus' atmosphere, it would take a massive balloon and a vast amount of helium, hydrogen or other light gas to support any worthwhile colony. The gravity part is nice, but let's face it - any long term human colonies will not produce humans well adapted to Earth. A Mars colonist's bones would not collapse - they would more likely weaken to the point of being sufficient for Mars gravity. But unless we find, and can reach, a truly Earth-like world, or resign ourselves to permanent residence in artificial environments, whatever humans leave Earth long term are not likely to be able to return easily if at all.
You are wrong about some things. Mars "dirt" is regolith, and contains perchlorates, which is a reactive chemical hazardous to human health. Second, any dirigible on Venus would simply require any gas less dense than the atmosphere there, which is mostly carbon dioxide. Hydrogen and helium the most abundant elements in the universe and we would have no problem keeping that colony up and running, literally.
REPEAT||ST and in order to return back to Earth you would also have to overcome the density and friction of that atmosphere which would mean more fuel.
REPEAT||ST I like that you seem to know more about extraterrestrial colonization than about how apostrophes work. I think you should send this to NASA where surely you'll be hailed as a great new leader... one who has a little trouble forming a sentence free of grammatical error.
+Nathan Maney Perchlorates in the soil are child's play next to floating colonies. It can be leached out of soil, and is also not highly toxic in low doses. And once leached out of the soil, perchlorate is actually very useful, as it absorbs water from the air, and when heated releases the water and oxygen. And we have already successfully grown Earth crops in simulated Lunar and Martian soil. Sure, hydrogen is abundant in the universe - not so much on Venus, and even on Earth almost all of it is tied up in water and hydrocarbon compounds - you need free hydrogen. And while CO2 is heavier 28 vs 16, that only means your dirigible can be about 30% smaller than on on Earth if you intend to camp out where the density is similar to Earth's atmosphere. Now look at the Hindenburg. It had a larger volume than the Titanic and carried only 97 passengers and crew, and sustain then in a breathable atmosphere for a very short time. Since the colony would not need to maneuver and travel through the air like a dirigible, you could ditch the engines and most of the structure of the balloon itself, but you would need large and heavy hydroponic systems and water reclamation systems, and what would you do for POWER? Solar won't be much use, nuclear is extremely heavy, and wind won't be terribly useful if the colony is drifting with the wind. Then their is the matter of getting to and from the thing. Unless you want to support a floating landing strip too, you'd need specialized craft that are half space shuttle and half VTOL jets. So, possibly a little research station could be had with a reasonable sized blimp, such as the Hindenburg, but and actual COLONY? I don't think so.
I think the problem with fixing shit on Earth is doing in a timescale where it doesn’t start killing nature... which was like a long time ago. No things alive on Mars to worry about, so we can terraform the planet on our preferred timeframe
mars has so much carbon in its water it can create a atmosphere, the real only thing preventing us from staying there, while we still think we have so much on earth its putting holes in the atmosphere. No we can undig all the minerals we took from the thousands of years of development and we cant revert all the radiation damage and pollution to the world we've done.
The gravity of Venus might be good for health, but it also makes it practically impossible to leave Venus once you enter the atmosphere. Without access to the surface, there is also little access to construction materials. Those two considerations would seem to make Venus a terrible place for colonization, even if one avoids the surface.
@@mureebe1 At present, we’re unsure of how to build any machines that could function on the surface of Venus for more than about an hour before breaking down permanently. So, it’s going to be a very long road before we could get to machines that could sustainably be used to do remote mining.
You still couldn't see the sun through that dense atmosphere, even at 1 Earth atmo of pressure. It would be a diffused blur. Plus, the Venerian day is so slow, it takes longer than a local year. More awesome than the sunsets would be the glowing inferno of molten rock below, IMHO.
I think we are still a lot further than we think from colonizing anything off the Earth, even the Moon sounds like it is becoming unlikely. If we still want a challenge, Antarctica might be the ticket.
There have been no less than three singles titled "Venus" reach #1 on the Billboard Top 40: Frankie Avalon's 1959 hit, Dutch group Shocking Blue's only U.S. hit from 1970, and Bananarama's 1986 cover of the Shocking Blue song. Mars hasn't even had a song reach the Top 40. So there's your love for Venus, in music.
Well maybe, but extremophiles on Earth can survive lava, and can contain proteins and chemicals that can be used to survive off of just about anything... They don't even necessarily need water for osmosis and diffusion either, so it's entirely plausible that somehow, life might survive in a Venusian atmosphere.
Life can adapt to almost everything it seems, Earth has had some FUCKED UP climate in the past, during mass extinction events and shit, and life has been able o adapt no problem, I can see an extremophile devouring the CO2 on Venus, maybe even a lifeform engineered by us, who knows? It seems that once started, the process of life is irrevocable.
Sulferic acid and 450c temperature they cant even send metall buuuut they can actually send 1 thing tardidise wich will and can live in space and in very high temps
I think we should take steps to colonize all of the above. The Moon, Mars and Venus, and push on from there, so that centuries from now, we are a space fearing species.
I have an idea for the gas giants like Saturn! I'm using my imagination here but we could have floating cities like in star wars that city on a gas giant named Cloud City (at least I think that city was on a gas giant I'm just guessing) but I don't even know if that's possible
Annette Clements Yes, in Star Wars, Cloud City was located on a gas giant. It might be possible with technology that is not yet in existence, but there are quite a lot of concerns and roadblocks with a thing like that (heavy winds, radiation, stability, etc.)
+Annette Clements the wind speed on Saturn is around 1200mph, about the same on Neptune and about 350mph on Jupiter so anything sent into the atmosphere would be ripped apart
If the planet is spinning / Rotating then you can have a slope facing the opposite of the spin while propelling the direction fighting the wind. helping with staying afloat. It probably won't be a free lift solution but it might reduce cost for keeping a small shuttle up.
Also as a side note if you plan to go BIG like a small town then try constructing big old towers that then have solar panels on them. This won't get rid of all the atmospheric influence but it'd help with solar energy that of which can help with keeping the planet up once we find an engine powerfully enough to use solar power and keep the place afloat
Another note GASSES have tanks of light GASSES packed full on the shuttle it won't keep you fully afloat but can help reduce cost probably Along with a good light THIN metal to build the station with
One of the main problems with this is constant global winds on Venus at that altitude often exceed 200 mph. Imagine living in an armored balloon in constant hurricane conditions, but instead of water you're always being pelted by a fine spray of sulphuric acid... I'm not saying it can never be done, but just not with any existent space capabilities or probably even near future tech
Lol . . The fucking wind on Venus! There's a lot bigger fish to fry, and worry about other than gusty winds, there Nancy! Where do you get this constant global wind horseshit from anyhow there Mucous. There's been 2 probes that survived a combined 8 minutes before burning up, and snapped a total of 3 pictures on the Venetian surface. It had a glowing orange atmosphere, and a reddish brown landscape, but there was no mention of hostile winds by the Russian scientists who built the probes. Stop embarassing yourself Junior, and leave this type of content for the adults. I think you might have Venus and Jupiter mixed up there boy!
Venusian "cloud cities" might be an interesting idea, but they'd be a one-way trip if we couldn't somehow climb back out of the .9g gravity well once more. The Cities themselves would necessarily be mineral-poor, since all they'd have is aerosolized particles to sift for minerals, which would make population sustenance an interesting proposition. Part of Martian and (and many other "surfacism") schemes are specifically about using as much of the resources in place to continue life, by not having to pack them in themselves, so transporting enough soil and water to Venus to support a viably multi-generation population might be prohibitively expensive in fuel costs alone. The x4 solar radiation is also a big problem, since anyone in the Cities would have to contend with a greater chance of radiation exposure damage, especially if they aren't somehow shielded appropriately from Alpha and Beta particles like we here on Earth are. Venus does not have a Van Allen belt to catch such hard radiation, which can be ruinously hazardous to life. These are all hurdles to first consider and somehow overcome before Venus can even be seriously considered to be a viable candidate for colonization.
Launching from Venus wouldn't be an issue, a floating launchpad that releases its lifting gas as the rocket takes off could solve that. The radiation there is the problem. With launch systems like BFR is wouldn't be difficult to build vehicles capable of landing on the surface to extract resources.
Jaxon Mattox That's the other advantage of a space habitat. You can build it as robust as you need to defend against radiation and the unforseen without considering gravity.
Carl Sagan made the first proposed method of terraforming Venus was made in 1961. In a paper titled “The Planet Venus“, he argued for the use of genetically engineered bacteria to transform the carbon in the atmosphere into organic molecules. However, these bacteria would have to be engineered to survive immense heat, pressure and acid rain. Not impossible to do, but definitely pushing biology to its absolute limits.
My statement is far fetched and very conceptional but I think we may be going in the wrong direction when we think of Terraforming. We may become more artificial and cybernetic and adapt our bodies to alien worlds instead of adapting the worlds to us. The human body simply cannot handle prolonged exposure to space (until we figure out some sort of artificial gravity). Right now we are on the verge of cloning human tissue for transplant but what about engineering tissue for another purpose entirely. Many people believe robots will annihilate humanity but I personally wonder if we will become robots, eventually.
+Aaron Slater I agree with this, but the problem is a lot of people would say there are philosophical problems with becoming cyborgs (they would say you're not you anymore). personally I disagree, I think as long as your brain stays intact you're still you.
This was an idea I remember from the old Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy comics, where in the year 3000 humanity colonized the solar system by genetically engineering people to have the best size and bone density for that planet's gravity. People on Jupiter were really huge for example.
This is called Transhumanism, and it seeks just what your suggesting, adapting ourselves to the universe instead making the universe bend to us, al, with technology.
but if we were aliens looking to colonise earth, we wouldn't be looking to colonise the bottom of the ocean would we! Same applies to Venus! why would anyone consider going to that pressure & temp when the habitable zone is 50km higher up?
The problem is how to build something in that altitude. Baloons are a nice idea but there is only so much stuff they can lift. Even with light materials you can build a big outpost at best, not an entire city with power plants and heavy industry. Sadly there will always be something that will have to stay on the ground.
something the size of the Hindenburg would lift 1000tonnes of weight on venus if filled with breathing air. If part of it was filled with hydrogen or helium instead, then your weight lifting capacity is MUCH higher (forgotten the numbers now, I think it's about 60times more, so 60,000tonnes for a Hindenburg size structure), but that's before looking at the aerodynamics of the platform to increase it's lift capacity. Like a raft on the ocean, a flat platform will lift MUCH more than a balloon shape will & remember that the materials to build the "balloon" (which would be more like an overgrown plastic water bottle) are floating in the air, so no limit on their availability once you have your basic setup up & running & processing that sulfuric acid into plastic. If you can build a mining rig on the ocean on earth, you can easily do the same level of industrial structure floating on Venus (and remember that the lower you go, the more lift you get from the air, those numbers are at 50km high, if you dropped only to 40km high, the lift power increases massively -not good for people at that level, but automated stuff can easily work there to split the difference between the surface heat/pressure & human comfort zone, not that you need to anyway, plenty of lift available for the machinery at human comfort level)
Okay, good point. Seems like I'm still enclosed in too earth-like mindset. But the overgrown plastic bottle part is a little too simplified, that thing would just hopelessly break from all those forces it would have to withstand. I'm interested in what design and materials would be (if even) able to go through this. Gonna have to take a look into it
plastic bottle would be far more stable than a balloon though :) I did hear someone at one stage suggesting we send "beachball probes" lol & reality is, that at 50-55km, they'd probably survive just fine. Has to be a plastic that can withstand sulfuric acid, PE plastic meets this description & can be produced from sulfuric acid, so it would seem like the obvious choice - so not really that much different from a HUGE drinkbottle. Metals aren't going to be good due to corrosion from the acids. Other than the acids, if it's just at the habitable zone, it doesn't seem like there is many forces to withstand (apart from the rocket landing/taking off). The higher you go, the cooler but also the less pressure outside, so more strength needed if you want breathable pressure inside, but there does seem to be a bit of a Goldilocks zone where it won't take much to build walls/floor/roof. Winds seem fast, but overall rotating speed is actually 4 times slower than earth & it's steady, no gusts or anything, so effectively no forces on the habitat. I probably am oversimplifying it, but it still seems remarkably easy when compared to Mars & even the ISS. If you want a good source for more info, these guys REALLY seem to know their stuff forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/129667-designing-a-venus-cloud-base/&page=2
Seems like Venus should be an ideal terraforming project. We just need to transform the atmosphere with self-replicating nanomachine swarms. No biggie. And if there's not enough water, we just to strap some ion rockets to a bunch of ice asteroids and crash them into the planet. And if there's too much solar radiation, we just need a satellite swarm of solar panels to intercept it. Hmmm... this is starting to sound kinda challenging actually.
Have an outpost going to mars would be easier.. but harder to sustain and without any actual value. It would be slightly tougher to get a Venus outpost started, but once it does it would be relatively easy to maintain and there is massive benefits. (energy, gas, mining, even farming.) Our first extraterrestrial outpost will be on Mars. Our first extraterrestrial city will be on Venus.
How do you mine in +450 degrees heat and 90x earth's atmospheric pressure though? If reinforced probes can't survive more than a couple of hours before imploding how can mining machinery be expected to work? I figure flying colonies on Venus, may very well mine gasses and farm their own food, but anything else would have to come from earth.
forget mining, what can you do if for any reason the "city" destabilize? in an instant you have EVERYBODY in it die, and everything there be turned into almost literal nothing. compare that with mars, if lets say, an acident happens and one of the structures breaks open, it would be ALOT easier to rescue at least part of the colony, and later on, repair it.
many mining processes are now automated on earth ... wouldn't be too much of a stretch to automate them so that humans simply sit in their cloud city controlling them.
Tania Watkins You'd still have to find a way for the machines to resist both the pressure and temperature. So automated or not is not really the issue.
Tania, so what if we have automation? how will that stop a malfunction? what if the colony is hit by some debris and is unable to sustain autitude? automation will only get you so far. no matter how safe that "cloud city" is, it wont stop EVERYBODY there from fearing the constant feeling that it only takes a single mistake to kill them all in an horrible way. and belive me, there arent as many deaths more painfull than death by pressure, or death from burning. and here we have, a place that will easily deliver both at the same time...
Colonize the moon first. Mars is too far, and we will never beable to breath the atmosphere. If one has to live in domes, the moon is a good first step.
Too much CO2 that is faulty pro global warming theory which has to be got rid of as soon as possible for it is a lie. In fact, we have not got enough CO2 as agriculture requires more for growing more plants. Please listen to physicist William Happer in this issue. It’s pollution which is a huge problem and what it does to the oceans and marine life.
Pizaerable You would only be able to live on sun-darkness edge, as one side is SUPER hot and the other SUPER cold, gravity is very low, no atmosphere, MUCH farther away.
I was waiting for someone to finally point out that colonising Venus is a far better option for humanity in the long term than colonising the small and distant desert planet Mars, so the sooner we start the better
The problem is, whatever system you use to suspend a colony 50km above the venusian surface. It's still a technological system, and thus liable to failure. Regardless of what system fails on Mars, it's not likely to have you fall beneath it's surface to the point where the pressure crushes you. To say nothing of the acidic atmosphere. All in all, I think the bias is less towards having a surface to plant a flag in, and more against depending solely on technology for the sake of survival. Which is admittedly stupid since Mars or Venus, any large system failure will likely cause massive casualties either way.
Google what would happen to our body in vacuum. I enjoyed reading about it. Basically it wouldn't boil our blood because your blood is still pressurised inside your body(and skin turned out to be strong enough to hold that pressure) but you would feel your saliva boiling just before you lose consciousness from the lack of oxygen. This happened to one astronaut during vacuum tests on Earth, that's how he described it.
I think most people underestimate how hostile the Mars environment is. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/uqKGREZs6-w/видео.html Basically, you'd have to live under 1m of dirt and ice just to shield yourself from radiation. That means no windows either.
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+Benjamin Dover exactly - venus has a 'runaway greenhouse effect' - the EXACT thing climate scientists consider the worst case scenario for global warming. so just stay here a while..
+Andrew Deen in reality if this did happen, I'd imagine a scenario where these HAVOC cities would become a thing for the elitists who wish to sustain humanity.
You know, I bet within the next 25 years we could genetically engineer some alege that could with stand 70 C° temperature and start to change the atmosphere composition.
I mean sure , but I don't think any company is willing to spend millions into something that may not even be needed. 1000+ years is a long time, rocket science and our knowledge about space will expand to places we can't even imagine. Maybe we'll find a suitable planet etc
I think mars is best bet tbh. Venus cloud cities would be cool but that would be difficult and honestly the idea of being on a surface sounds better. But Venus sounds like it has potential in the future I never knew all of this I’m impressed I thought it would be impossible to live on Venus or in it I guess you could say. Learned something new today
NASA has lied about the climatic and atmospheric conditions on many of our Solar System's planets and moons. The Mars Rovers were given a lifespan of 3 months in the 70's because of the 'supposed' frequent 600kmh wind/dust storms. 50 years late and plenty of images show nothing of the sort. The only reasons for cessation of operation have been for technical/computer/power reasons. Also, in this age of such incredibly high colour photographic pixel technology do we still see black and white photos and red filter photos???
Good anti-surfacism thinking but I think you've missed the best choice of all which is the asteroid belt. All the resources we need are there and we can mine the rocks and live inside the excavations. We can spin up the rocks for artificial gravity, and the energy costs of moving between them is negligible compared with climbing out of gravity wells.
I read a book long ago that venus could be "terraformed" by injecting its atmosphere with blue-green algae, which can withstand HUGELY high temperatures, like in engines of jets. Keep it up, and in time, the CO2 would be vastly reduced because it is food for the algae. I don't remember how the book said we could get oxygen from the CO2 for breathing, though. At some point, the atmosphere would cease its greenhouse effect. It would probably rain a LOT. Depending on how much water is in the atmosphere. I thought that was a case of extremely innovative thinking. A few years ago, I learned somewhere that that plan wouldn't work. But it was a while ago, and I've forgotten WHY it wouldn't work. It still seems to me that it could be tried, since it can't do any harm. As the CO2 level dropped, so would the temperature. If we c could turn its atmosphere into one similar to Earth's, we'd be able to live on its surface. We'd weigh just a bit less than on earth. ALL of the problems with Venus are created by its atmosphere. I do know that Venus and Earth could easily have developed identical characteristics. In other words, venus COULD have ended up with an Earth-like environment. Earth could have ended up with Venus' environment. I don't know if anyone has figured out how it was that these sister planets ended up with such extremely diverse conditions. I'd love to know. But it does seem a better way to try to support human colonies on Venus if we would just alter the nature of its atmosphere first. But does it have a molten iron core? Without it, cosmic rays could kill us within days. It would have no ozone layer, so we'd die just as fast from intense ultraviolet. I don't think most people realize how VERY fortunate we are that Earth is the way it is.
Cyanobacteria and simple chloroplasts like blue green algae "eat" carbon dioxide and "shit" oxygen. Problem is, they need liquid water to live. On the plus side, over time, the oxygenation of that water leads to increases of oxygen in the atmos. Gaseous oxygen reacts with gaseous methane to further reduce greenhouse effect. Of course, when that happened here on earth, it triggered a massive extinction.
fastermx cause we were created ... out planet a too perfect.. whether you call it god, aliens , a supreme being , Alah.. this planet was created just like we would have to create another planet to make it work... To perfect here
@@chriswalkup1128 It's not too perfect. Do you know how many planets there are in the whole universe? So many that it would be highly unlikely that no planet would be like Earth. In fact, there are so many planets that imo the chance that there is at least one other planet that has similar conditions to Earth is pretty high
Trouble is that Venus doesn't have any resources in its atmosphere. The only possible resources on Venus exist on and under the surface of the planet. A better option would be to build spacesteads (large rotating space stations outfitted like environments on Earth) inside near-Earth asteroids. These stations would be O'Neill cylinders around 800 meter to 2 kilometers diameter with a length of around twice or thrice that. Now, people would have to get used to seeing expanses of land and maybe water when they looked up, instead of seeing a sky. Alternatively, toroidal stations could be built. These would be bigger than O'Neill cylinders and only the "bottom" half of the structure would have land and water, while the other half could be a glass roof that would provide a sky view.
Agree 100%. I always thought that O'Neill had the only reasonable approach to large scale human habitation beyond the earth. I think however we should establish a self sustainable lunar outpost first. It will be necessary to get water, oxygen, and materials from the moon rather than try to lift them from earth. However we don't need to start with hugh space colonies. I think that we could start with relatively small self sustaining modular space stations, and then just mass produce the modules.
I’d go to Venus but I can’t handle working under extreme pressure in a toxic working environment
You deserve a medal.
Bring your sunscreen
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But .... that’s the whole idea of sending you!
it'd be like "the floor is lava: Extreme Edition"
@@Froyocharm89 essentially, the surface of Venus is too hot to terraform but that there is a hypothesis that somewhere between the stratosphere and the troposphere is a habitable zone for cloud colonies on(?) Venus
i think there's some information regarding it on NASA's website
The floor isn't lava, lava requires around 800 - 1200 degrees depending on its composition. Venus is only 400s... Maybe you might find pools of liquid sulfur and metals on the surface. The CO2 is in a gas state that can act as a solvent for life.
@@aoeu256 nobody cares, it was a joke
@@aoeu256 dude it's a fucking joke, way to ruin it
"Mars is too hard, let's try hell first."
You just made this video in 1 sentence
we're already on earth??
haha :) Yeah really. I'm pretty sure we've figured out "walking on the ground" and being in a vacuum. Living on a world with non-stop sulfuric acid storms and not to mention, tidally locked - so terraforming isn't even an option.
UnicornFire, I say to you my good sir “OOF” -Roblox bacon hair 2019
Lol lol lol
Don't forget about the weird day-night cycle, where the Venusian day is slightly longer than the Venusian year.
At the very least, every day spent there will be your birthday.
Floating in the atmosphere would allow inhabitants to move back and forth over the horizon and generate much more natural day/night cycles
That is if you attach yourself to the surface against the atmosphere rotating if you go with it 1 day will be 3 earth days
Assuming at least two generations of humanity would live in a Venus colony, they would probably birth new Venusian culture. They would have a different calendar, different work schedules, etc. They might even evolve differently. Eventually, they'd declare independence from us Earthlings. The first extraterrestrials of the Solar System will be born.
Anyway, that's assuming the nations of Earth don't start a space war over the potential resources below the clouds of Venus.
@@Silverwind87 all tomorrows
HAHA
Depends if you'd rather freeze to death or be burned alive.
People are polluting mars on purpose to make it habitable
We would have a closed environment and space suits we wouldn't just be walking on mars
@@meow97 Ah yeah, let's opt to wear giant metal suits than be half naked comfortably down here.
We can heat up Mars, that's not a problem, it would just take a long time. However there really isn't a way to cool off Venus
I’d 1000% rather freeze to death
Let's colonize the sun! Go big or go home right
or go fried
+Fireninja3 Count me in. Make sure we land at night!!! :D
lol.
well ..solar power would be pretty good
+mikexhotmail At night, you say?
NASA hire this guy!
"Sir, the Earthlings have arrived on Venus!"
"And?"
"And they brought a *flag.* "
"Oh, dear."
"$ flag". Sir, thanks the money sistem we'll have new slaves.
Lmfao
People already live on Venus , Venus was once part of the earth . They left from earth a long time ago however we would not survive because at the time in that evolution they could adapt and would have biologically evolved as they moved further out. If a Eskimo suddenly moved to Hawaii .. would likely get very sick and lung problems because of the extreme differences. We adapt to the environment. Most planets are occupied but we would not survive on their planet unless adapted over long period of time or create bubble colonies with our own atmosphere . Which is already being done .
@@hypnotherapistgurudebraann6013 😁😅😂🤣🤣🤣🤣 LOL !
@@hypnotherapistgurudebraann6013 you need a good psychiatrist !!!
In a sci-fi game called Metroid Prime 3, there's exactly this concept in the planet Etra, covered with thick, white clouds. A floating city is however built by an advanced civilazation, Elysia. It's marvelous.
Great game
Yes great area, loved it.
I didn't know so many people study Venus professionally in this comment section.
+Zoey Chevalier Anyone could be surprized by the amount of people who have a degree in anything on the internet
Why don't we just try and chill out on the big business that's causing climate change, then we can stay here long enough to find an earth like planet (or plan) to go to? #save earth. Lol
+vmwindustries And the business that is causing climate change more than any other is animal agriculture.
+vmwindustries Its true,people actually transform carbon dioxide gas into carbon fibre using ultraviolets.#Smart Business
I can't find my comments. Sorry that I can not respond clearly. I'm Canadian, and it makes me upset that we can not have a good peaceful conversation. So sorry, if I didn't stand up to your opinion of a good global conversation... my sincerest apologize.
First words spoken on Venus: "Another small step for a man, another giant leap for.........DAMN!!! IT'S HOT OUT HERE!!!"
Its like sending astronauts landing on the sun ☀
@@rolandhazuki8787 Yea
This is really good
start with moon first. We can barely get over there without exploding midflight
+spike378 gravity!!!
and lack of water there okay same problem with venus but venus is cooler
+spike378 The hell you mean barely? We walked on the moon plenty of times. And the capability of modern tech to get us there is real. The only thing stopping us is funding and budget cuts.
+spike378 And everyone who went there had a shit-bag taped to their ass for days. Then they threw these out on the Moon, next to the lander.
+TIMEtoRIDE900 that shit must be worth a lot.
there’s way to many comments from people who haven’t watched the video so i felt like i should clear stuff up. venus’ surface is extremely hot and we could not survive there, what is proposed is building a sky colony. in venus’ upper atmosphere there are temperatures similar to earth, protection from radiation, is much closer, and similar gravity. that being said floating a blimp on venus would be much easier than landing a ship on mars.
Idk where u live but if its 158 C where you live I pray for you 😂
@@orionfilms4405 In the video he said in the air, at 50-30 km circa, temperatures are arround the 70°C (I don't know how many °F are) and so less to the boiling water temperature. Yes, it would be hot but the firefighters in their suit can resist at over 100°C temperatures too, so if we want to go on Venus we'll wear special suit for the heat. At least better than be crushed by the gravity force and return on Earth with broken bones
The Venus I saw was not hot!!!!! people wearing short shirt clothes, but women wore long dresses!!!Thet temp they gave us is a lie, but it may have been that temp in the clouds!! but not on land!!!
firefighter suits are built to withstand heats of up to 500 celsius. 150 is child’s play when it comes to protecting humans from the elements.
Is so stupid that we are talking about having Sky colonies when we can't manage earth colonies that are a lot safer. Venus is probably the most stupid planet to go colonize as Mars' moons have a lot more resources than any moon known and are amazing to create cheaper transportation. Not to say that the earth is quite more predictable than the sky on a planet like Venus. And please... let's not start talking about radiation...
Year 3000 at venus
Man 1:How did your kid die
Man 2:He fell on ground
Man 3: U alive 2982 years and still no england lesson
You might need an England lesson or two yourself
nominen why
Yeah I also like to make fun of people whose language I can't even speak but whose English is only their second language.
I, too, like to make fun of people.
Which would be more difficult, to heat a colony on Mars or cool a colony on Venus?
Heating would require more energy because heat is basically energy, while. cooling requires heat energy to be taken out of the system.
That requires extra energy. It is easy to get a cozy environment during winters by burning some coal, heaters etc. than to use air conditioners to cool down a room which has a higher cost.
I live in India and we have to deal with hot weather maximum time of the year.
well we would have four times the solar energy distribution on Venus, not sure what it is on Mars, but more energy is a good thing. We've already solved the cooling issue, it just needs energy, and current air conditioners achieve a cop of around 7 in ideal conditions.
you could use a system similar to that of geothermal energy by putting pipe covered with acid resist coatings that nasa has already has made near the surface the pressure on the pipe would keep water liquid and have one pipe pressurized to the surface and another to the cloud city having a tank between the two pipes so heat can build and it could be use as a battery and run steam turbine off the heat of the planet i mean the planet is an earth sized solar planet with no tap if you put the city in a ballon of "earth" air to float the only problem would be heat other then building the dam things in orbit or on the planet
+Jadinandrews
However, energy is not the issue when it come to cooling. The problem is how to transfer the heat from the interior to the exterior when the exterior environment is too hot to cool the condenser. As you can imagine, if the condenser can't be cooled, there is not air conditioning in the structure we build.
I feel like it would be more feasible to just build a city-sized space station
@@jdoexrayvision artificial gravity could be implemented by utilization of centrifugal force. the space station could still orbit venus so that O2 could be extracted from CO2 as the video suggests but we would not have to worry about terraforming the planet or building cloud cities kilometers above the surface as suggested
Reed Daley but it’d be hard and so long to do
@@-mdoom- so would building cloud cities on venus man
For that humans first need to invent artificial gravity
that's gonna be a hard life up there
my enthusiasm for venus while watching this video was like:📈📈📈📈📈📈📈📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📈📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉📉
@Ibrar Khan umm NASA is from Us...
True true!
@@dkwhattouseasusername1012 k......and?
@@tomstark28 I was replying to a reply, though I forgot what the guy said since he deleted it
Lol, now everyone's psyched about Venus. This video was a little ahead of the curve if I may say.
Colonize both that way when aliens do come to visit imagine how cool and awesome were gonna look with our 3 planets on the go..
yeah and then, the aliens would call us primitive beings, while controling 50+ galaxies
@@The07Gamers yeah? Well maybe by relativity they move faster than us and that is cheating
Why don’t WE become the aliens and go visit OTHER civilizations so we can laugh at them
@@slingshotnerd yes
@@The07Gamers lets just report hacks and with good luck they get banned from the server.
I like how “sci fi stories” about Mars includes Veronica Mars, Bruno Mars, and a Mars bar
I like Natalie Marrs..
Fun fact: "mars bar" was originally the name of a gay bar
Mars bar in europe is milky way in the us, and its actually my favorite candy bar xD idk why a lot of people dont like it
@@AeonAxisProductions Milky Way in the UK is a Mars Bar without the caramel.
@@Temp0raryName soo its 3 musketeers?
IF you fell off a cloud city on Venus, would you die because of the pressure increase before you hit the surface?
I think the lack of oxygen, the extreme temperatures, the acid clouds/rain, the UV radiation and the high pressure could all take a little part in killing you, so in short: yes, if you're falling, you're dead.
Savage
but you would stop falling and float when the pressure rises right? would still die though...
you wouldn't even hit the surface of Venus, your body would be destroyed long before.
Your body would be destroyed long before it hit the surface.
Wouldn't it be pretty hard to cool the living quarters from 70*C to room temperature, compared to heating them on Mars?
70°C is the high bar for the temperatures at the earthlike pressure zone, they do get down to 30°C, and most likely, a bit cooler in shade, so we've dealt with worse here on Earth, since we have places that maintain ~50°C
Yeah, and when the aircon breaks you're really gonna miss that water that there's none of on Venus.
If they got WiFi there I’m in
Paul Huang lol
There will likely be a 4G connection on the moon in 2019
They gonna make wifi on the moon
Same
Paul Huang well, Wi-Fi would be faster there
Ummm, good idea, but, I think you're forgetting one thing:
Are we not going to talk about Venus' acid rain?
That's why umbrella exists
super gamer 3 3 not my umbrella mines invincible
@super gamer 3 3 Knowing that something is an acid on an acid-base scale is not sufficient to know whether it will melt an umbrella. Vinegar is quite acidic yet won't melt your umbrella.
@super gamer 3 3 r/woooosh
That's why we are talking about cloud cities. The clouds of Venus is the closest you can associate the word "habitable" with Venus.
You had me at Cloud City.
I know, right?!? #OccupyVenus
Just a warning but as soon as you arrive the Empire takes over.
TearDownGenesis I'm pretty sure the city had been well established for 400 something years before Vader came along. Although I suppose that is pretty insignificant in "A long time ago" time.
I think this is where the idea for the Jetsons came from. Gosh, people really have thought of everything in the latter part of the 20th century..
K
I think it could be argued that it is also more cost effective as firstly, you don't need to land, the density of the air will just adjust with the surrounding and it will float. You can also use the temperature to generate energy. Lastly, because it is closer to the sun, it has a smaller orbit (I'm unsure of the speed though) and that should allow more flights to and from both planets.
"You can also use the temperature to generate energy" ... Actually not. You cannot extract energy from a temperature. You can only utilize a temperature difference (or any other energy difference for that matter) to gain energy. Imagine a mass in a gravitational field, it has potential energy but you can only extract that energy if you're able to let that mass drop.
@@historynerd6630 Yes, that's what I meant. It's similar to a geothermal energy powerplant. You take something like water and drop it down a tube, it will turn some turbines. Then shift it and once it gets low enough, it should boil due to the heat of the surface. The gas should rise and expand, turning more turbines, and you can bring it back to the start when it condenses.
@@aaravbhatt760 I would not suggest using tubes for that. we are talking about quite a distance there.
But you could drop a balloon down to boil the water, use the steam for power and the vapour as a lifting gas, so it comes up again.
I am a bit late to this discussion, but the biggest reason I see for Mars winning out over Venus is because you can access all the resources of mars (especially now that they found water). On Venus, your stuck in the atmosphere with little resources that you could utilize. I remember reading a story about how using robots and 3d printers, you could build a base on the moon just by using the moon's resources. I think that would be a huge problem on Venus.
I feel that shouldn't be a permanent problem, once we sequester the atmosphere then it becomes a non-issue, where the low gravity will be a persistent problem on the moon and mars with unless you're trying to crash planets together (which can cause issues of it's own) the moon and mars could cause problems with muscle and bone atrophy
Artemis by Andy Weir?
The main issue with mars is it's lack of magnetosphere... how do we make the inside of a planet molten when it's cold?
Its going to be like early video games living on Venus.
If you miss the jump, you fall into a seemingly endless pit of death.
Facing worlds huh?
Well I mean it would be endless for the little bit you would see of it. You would burn and implode long before you hit the surface.
@@kylehudson9658 lol, gruesome. Actually seems to be what happens in older video games. You never see them hit the bottom
Exactly hahaha
...and you don't respawn...
Land on Venus and become the first two dimensional Human.
Yay!
Legend has it that anime waifu's are aliens from Venus.
Sorry, Justine Turdeau already claimed that title.
Is there a title there?
You might only be joking, but you're propagating the notion that humans are highly compressible. If humans could breathe at 90atm pressure, our bodies would shrink only slightly at that pressure. We would not be crushed flat. Put another way, if a human corpse sinks to a deep depth, it doesn't get squished badly, let alone into two dimensions. The reason pressure kills humans is that it alters chemistry in the body. SCUBA divers who go below 35 meters don't die from the pressure, they die from altered biochemistry.
Interesting, though lets first start with a floating city on earth either in the ocean or up in air.
Spray the Venusian atmosphere with baking soda dissolved in
water to neutralize the sulfuric acid. Piece of cake.
That's gonna be a lot of baking soda haha
Also, I see that it would not be so beneficial to use a base that contains carbon, as was mentioned in the video that venus has enough carbon dioxide, potassium or sodium hydroxide would likely be much better choices
Invest heavily in Arm & Hammer!
@Peepee Poopoo wouldn't the water evaporate first?
Add vanilla extract to taste.
Meanwhile , Elon Musk in his mansion : Fine I'll do both of them.
And connect them with a hyperloop. (just a tube in space - you don't have to pumpout the air :) )
Fine, I'll do it myself
Yesss lol
And yet his Starship hasnt launched but hes gonna hit mars this year lol
Jonny Quest who said that?
a little mexican girl once said "why not both?"
What are you talking about Doug xD
And let me guess, ur that Mexican girl?
TheTeladras It's a meme
Does no one know about this meme?
bolth holes
There's a better possibility of finding rare and valuable minerals like heavy metals on Venus than Mars, due to its adverse atmospheric conditions.
@kritters 1 not even the mine concept itself, it's about transportation and logistics; but I believe that where is the money it's where IS the human's will.
Just drop a bucket with a 50km chain and bring up molten metal from the surface xD
Except you can't get to them any more than you can get to the mantel on earth.
Better to just mine asteroids. Tow them to a processing facility near earth (maybe on the moon) and space elevator the stuff down to pull more ships up into space.
If we find asteroids from dead planets they will be full of heavy and rare elements.
@@squee222 we could tow lots of them to mars and awaken it's core
"Why is no one talking about going to Venus? Its much better than Mars"
"The surface is only 450 degrees and the pressure will crush you, but other than that you will be fine"
Did you even watch the video?
Going to the surface was never mentioned.
Too many astrophysics on here for me
You better bring along a good air conditioner!
@@zeuso.1947 It certainly was mentioned. They explained why it was infeasible just before moving on to the sky cities.
I don't need to carry my oven to Venus then?
Earth getting too hot for humans to live on.
Scientists: “Let’s colonize Venus”
Earths nowhere near too hot for humans. Global warming is a natural part of our planet.
@@AverageAlien exactly . People rambling on about humans causing climate change and all other bs. Most of them dont understand what they're even saying.
@@194_jason_ I'm not saying CO2 doesnt trap heat. I'm saying we overestimate our power massively. The earths orbit changes every 100,000 years or so, which means that there are periods that are warmer than others. The earth is still recovering from it's most recent ice age, or glacial period.
@Average Alien _ It is not about overestimating anything, it is about manipulating a natural phenomenon and manipulate it to create a world government by using it as a pretext for a global disaster so that everyone should accept whatever will be pushed upon him as a global solution for a global problem.
a pack of bourbons don’t*
Flextape would solve all those problems.
*probe lands down on Venus* "THATS A LOTTA DAMAGE"
@@theviolenceenjoyer
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@@dwaynechaps5841
Wow, amazing. 👏👏👏
@@vzgsxr Thank you...I'll be signing autographs at a city near you!
+Dwayne Chaps at this point ur just comment-hopping and shitting on everyone. You cant even take a goddamn joke.v
One advantage of going to Mars is that its lesser gravity would make it much easier to launch rockets from. The far greater portion of the energy of the rockets we launch on earth is used escaping the earth's gravity.
If you can't reach the surface there is no point in colonizing the planet. You can't mine it's resources so a colony there would be a glorified version of the ISS. You want a colony to become self sustaining, not requiring earth to send it a care package when it gets low on iron or aluminium.
what are you going to use iron for in an acidic environment? Why would you even consider that with the plentiful supply & resourses to make carbon fibre materials with no fossil fuels or energy needed to make them?
Anything you need for solar panels & conductors can be mined/collected from the top of the mountains, everything else is in the air
You could send robots to mine, just keep making them stronger and stronger to last longer
michael, yes we definitely could! We have the tech now to make robots that can survive those conditions, just costs more is all. Also though, we could have them start a mine & then put air tight seals onto it - like we'd have to on Mars or anywhere else. On venus they'd have to be able to withstand heat as well, but we can easily do that. Once inside the mine, we can pump out the extra atmosphere to drop it to an earth like level, just like a submarine does underwater on earth (venus pressure is only equal to half way to titanic) & once that's done, the mine operates in conditions on par with many on earth. A hot earth mine yes, but the heat's only coming from the pressure & it's heating of the surface, so once the pressure's out, the temp drops & the the lower underground we go, the more cool earth like it becomes in natural temperature down there, so no special robots needed to work the mines, could even put people down there if we really wanted to. Just need good door seals & good records of where the volcanoes are active & likely to erupt on the surface - dig into or near one of them & it WILL be hot lol
Colonizing Venus or Mars is out of reach at the moment. It's simply too expensive to get the materials from the surface of either planet, back to Earth. The cost of launching rockets is simply too high. Even if the surface of Mars were covered in 24k gold, it wouldn't be worth it to pick it up and bring it back.
We would send missions there to learn how to survive in an unfriendly environment. You can land on Mars but you're essentially living in a vacuum on top of irradiated, poisonous soil. There is no easily accessible water. The atmosphere is so thin that any faults in your habitat could lead to explosive decompression. You'd have to live in a pressure vessel.
You can't land on Venus and you have to live in the mildly acidic clouds in a floating habitat. There is no easily accessible water. Venus offers the easier place to start for a few reasons. The dense atmosphere may be slightly acidic, but we already have plenty of cheap plastics that tolerate those levels of acidity and heat 50 kilometers up. You likely own some of it already and it's stuck to the inside of your frying pans. Teflon (PTFE) could coat every surface and make your habitat basically non-reactive. The Sulfuric acid can be heated above 300 Celsius where it will break apart into SO3 and H2O, and provide a source of water. You have options for very useful chemistry in the atmosphere of Venus, that don't exist on Mars. More importantly to the crew, Venus' thick atmosphere generates a magnetic field of sorts that would provide protection against solar radiation. The proximity to the sun means solar panels work better. Venusian gravity is much closer to that of Earth compared to Mars. The temperatures in the Venusian atmosphere are tolerable if you fill the habitat with Earth air. If you attach hydrogen balloons and raise the habitat higher still, you could walk outside with no need for anything but a HAZMAT suit and an air supply.
Also, because of the buoyant properties of gasses, the larger you make your habitat, the better it floats! So build giant, mostly plastic habitats coated in PTFE. Cover them with solar panels and include a couple RTGs as heat sources and backup electricity sources. The chemical reactions conducted for water and oxygen production can also produce plenty of hydrogen and carbon, which would give you the ability to also make the fuel you need for return trips. Oh, and Venus is much closer, making transit times lower.
except we have suits to protect us from that kind of heat
Smoothly avoided the fact that Venus' day lasts 116 Earth days and 18 hours. Compared to Mars' 24.5 hour day... Minor detail
Parker Davis damn you're hot bro
If you make a floating city, you can surely make it travel at high speed on a parallel in the air, to make an acceptable daytime.
If you are living in a habitat would it really matter? People in the ISS see a new Sunset/rise every 92 minutes.
Ya you would need to have the city in motion at all times, of course 116 days means an incredibly slow rotation so you could stay in the sun with 10-20kph indefinitely.
Does also mean you can't survey a single piece of land for too long, need to leave any landers to their fate and that everything put on the ground will be subjected to 116 days of sun and 116 days of pitch black.
I guess the only downside I could see is using solar panels for power. Can you store 116 days of energy during night.
It's a fun concept, but I think having a semi-hospitable surface (or at least subsurface) is essential for a proper long-term colony.
I will have to agree and disagree. As of right now I would agree with that statement but in let's say 20 years I would have to disagree with this statement given that we are in a golden age (not really a golden age but bare with me) of technological advancements.
You could have a solar powered blimp thing that has factories on board so it can repair itself, but it would ultimately need to have a commercial benefit like mining.
this idea is dum and why do we even need to go to another plante???????????????!!!!!!1
aaajm02 its in our dna to explore
***** you been watching to much si-fi
It's simply a matter of buoyancy...displace enough volume and you float - like a cargo ship in the sea. Ingenious!! Love it! More enrichment from pbs. Thank you!
Why it's not popular. +400°C , 200 mph wind, cosmic radiation, poisonous sulfur acid elements in the atmosphere. Go for it mate.
I don't know why you are so negative. Let's colonize the planet that have eaten any prove we have send (including balloons) in less than a week.
Later we'll go to the sun. It will be ok, will go by night.
+400c is on the surface, where there is ZERO wind or radiation or sulfuric acid.
You can only encounter the wind & sulfuric acid at heights where the temp is on par with Hawaii & radiation there is no-where on venus you can go to get that anywhere near Mars levels
Didn't say he can't. I said maybe it's not really ideal to go to a place where the temperature's twice as in an oven where a whole chicken gets done in an hour and half.
I really want to believe in this, to go another planet or system. It's exciting. Either we adapt to space by evolution or we improve our tech to protect us and travel much more efficient/safer/faster. It's simple as that. On way or the other it's gonna take a while.
Feminazi, you make some excellent points. Venus is by far the better choice for long term colonization. The issues with Venus can be dealt with in the short term and even tarraformed in the long term. Mars on the other hand, the only way it get's workable is if we crash shit(moons and such) into it enough to increase it's mass and melt it's core.
Simon, you don't understand thermal energy. It requires a temperature variation to work not just just heat. You need hot and cold. Same with winds, to get wind energy you need a fixed platform. We can't have a fixed platform cause we can't utilize the surface. Power generation on Venus would have to be solar, both direct solar to electricity using solar panels. And biological solar using plants. Plants would by far be the ideal, with all the carbon dioxide, sun, and heat they'd grow like crazy and provide oxygen, cooling, energy, building materials, and of course food. We'd have to build giant floating greenhouses.
Let's just take a moment to realize how amazing this is, I mean 100 years ago it could take weeks just to cross the Atlantic Ocean and now we're making plans to go to other planets
And when we crossed the Atlantic ocean, the Titanic sank.
Tourists travelling around the moon. When will there be the first manned shipwreck in space?
In 1969 we landed a man on the moon. Since the Apollo missions we had only gone to low Earth orbit. After the Shuttle we had to bum rides from our adversaries the Russians. In fact even using their engines to launch some of our own satellites. We then turned space over to the public sector which has had to re-learn how to do it all over again. At this rate it is highly unlikely that we will have to worry about going to either planet in the near future. We Americans hold on to our past achievements in space like a Miami Dolphins fan holds on to the 1972 perfect season to feel good about themselves. While great achievements, they mean less and less as time goes by.
We'll never do it because of 1 simple fact of Reality and that is this, We are too busy KILLING One Another on this Planet we Reside on to care!!.
@@mikeray4902 I suppose if you count manned missions. We've landed probes on asteroids, flew past Jupiter and pluto even voyager 1 is one light speed day away from earth. apart from transport space exploration really doesn't need the meat sacks along from the ride anymore.
Jerny Gutree thats sad 😔
Omg, they said they're gonna fly me out to work for them!
Good luck!
Settle down, there, Spears. The last thing I need is to get the PBS laywers in a tizzy.
Give our regards to that thing from the "Alien" movies :D
Haha. I'm sure there's someone more qualified. At least for the experiments. The most average thing about me is your viewing demographic.
In all truthfulness, I've really enjoyed all of what you guys have done so far. Also, the shout-out was really cool too!
Imagine falling off the cloud city, 50km above ground level, where the toxicity, pressure and heat get higher as you fall down. That would be one of the worst ways to die ngl
sign me up
If you fell of Venusian Cloud City it would take you hours to hit the ground because of how thick the atmosphere is. And of course the other conditions are so lethal that it's guaranteed that you would be dead before you hit the ground.
Realistically falling 100m on earth from a building ledge would kill me too.
@@hayuseen6683 Yeah, but you're 100% dead in three seconds. The Venus option is agonising...
@@GregorBarclay You underestimate human resilience. Someone who fell from such height may still be alive but in critical conditions, that's possible, and is excruciatingly agonizing. These risks do not stop us from building tall structures, so why not blimps on Venus? #OccupyVenus
So basically Venus is better than mars because it’s hotter, thiccer and more down to earth.
I like my planets the way I like my women; hot, thick and down to earth.
Daegan Patterson what?
it's because we can live normal human lives there with human friendly gravity.
Well that would explain why it's linked to women… though, i'm not always so sure about the 'down to earth' part.
Send girls to Venus
The planet with the worst pr team is Pluto
And Uranus!
Lol good one, I think a-lot of people completely missed why your joke is genius.
You're saying that only to get kidnapped by Pluto's government for propaganda porpuses.
I spotted you Jerry Smith! Pluto IS NOT a planet!
@@IlRockettaroPazzo Things that remind me of Pluto...Goofy, Scroopy Noopers, and Hades.
*dwarf planet
1. like you said, this idea is unpopular thus is unlikely to be funded
2. in the unlikely event that this project gets all the funding it needs, by the time we've done prototyping, unmanned mission tests etc with the floating structure concept, we will probably already have ten cities on mars
3. mars is a great vantage point and check point/refuelling station for outer solar system exploration. some moons orbiting jubiter and saturn are potentially more habitable than mars so eventually we'd like to go there. and mars is the perfect springboard. however if we went for venus instead of mars, we are just further away from the outer solar system, not closer.
Nailed it with #3. Its all about trying to get OUT into deep space, not in toward our parent star.
Space is everywhere tho. It’s planets on the other side of sun. It could be a planet so close but undetectable
venus just like earth is rotating the sun.. and you mean that theres other planets on the other side of the sun that we havent discovered?
@@terrafirma249
Yeah his comment was kind of dumb... I think he meant the orbiting paths of the planets through the years... When a planet is on opposite sides of the Sun...
Terra Firma first off you do know if we’re constantly rotating the sun that means other planets o. The other side of the sun would rotate meaning we would never see them since the sun is so massive in size
My favorite variation of this is the concept of just building a 50km high mountain on Venus instead.
if the sun is getting hotter (albeit slowly), then shouldn't we colonize FURTHER from the sun?
rick777888 haha...will take several million years to even affect Venus.
What can I say? I think long-term...
Actually it’s getting colder it was one blue but now it’s yellow next is orange, red, then ded
@@Amongst_Shadows getting colder but larger
ChocoTacoJR PUBGM no it will become a red giant before it cools down and turns into a white dwarf. When it turns into a red giant Venus will actually be swallowed by the sun most likely
Everyone is talkin about colonizing Venus, but no one is talking about *COLONIZING THE RINGS OF SATURN*
i like your way of thought
I'm assuming you mean moons.
Cool death metal band by the way
They are too far away. We should colonize mars and jupiter moons before going for saturn.
Titan
All it takes is one air leak and your cloud city is toast.
Literally.
Heh, yeah.
Seriously though, buoyancy could be achieved with 'hard' materials having fine, gas filled poring. Thinking of aerogels here. Veritasium on that: ruclips.net/video/AeJ9q45PfD0/видео.html
"Literally" 😂
Literally not. Because the pressure differential can be very low, it would take ages to leak significant amounts, so you have time to plug any leak. And for example, we could use ultra-light solids, so there would be no leak possible.
Air leaks would kill you everywhere in the solar system. Even Earth, depending on where you were.
same is true on Mars to be fair :P
There are microbes living in some of the most extreme environments on Earth. I'm curious to know if there could be similar microbial life on Venus. What would it take to build a probe which could carry out the search on the Venusian surface?
This comment aged well.
There is a HUGE advantage to surfacism for any serious, long term colonization. One is that you have dirt. Seed it with organics and you have farms. Another is that a technical failure won't send you plunging miles to your death. Another is that even with Venus' atmosphere, it would take a massive balloon and a vast amount of helium, hydrogen or other light gas to support any worthwhile colony. The gravity part is nice, but let's face it - any long term human colonies will not produce humans well adapted to Earth. A Mars colonist's bones would not collapse - they would more likely weaken to the point of being sufficient for Mars gravity. But unless we find, and can reach, a truly Earth-like world, or resign ourselves to permanent residence in artificial environments, whatever humans leave Earth long term are not likely to be able to return easily if at all.
This get's talked about in a really cool TV show called The Expanse.
You are wrong about some things. Mars "dirt" is regolith, and contains perchlorates, which is a reactive chemical hazardous to human health. Second, any dirigible on Venus would simply require any gas less dense than the atmosphere there, which is mostly carbon dioxide. Hydrogen and helium the most abundant elements in the universe and we would have no problem keeping that colony up and running, literally.
REPEAT||ST and in order to return back to Earth you would also have to overcome the density and friction of that atmosphere which would mean more fuel.
REPEAT||ST I like that you seem to know more about extraterrestrial colonization than about how apostrophes work. I think you should send this to NASA where surely you'll be hailed as a great new leader... one who has a little trouble forming a sentence free of grammatical error.
+Nathan Maney
Perchlorates in the soil are child's play next to floating colonies. It can be leached out of soil, and is also not highly toxic in low doses. And once leached out of the soil, perchlorate is actually very useful, as it absorbs water from the air, and when heated releases the water and oxygen. And we have already successfully grown Earth crops in simulated Lunar and Martian soil.
Sure, hydrogen is abundant in the universe - not so much on Venus, and even on Earth almost all of it is tied up in water and hydrocarbon compounds - you need free hydrogen. And while CO2 is heavier 28 vs 16, that only means your dirigible can be about 30% smaller than on on Earth if you intend to camp out where the density is similar to Earth's atmosphere. Now look at the Hindenburg. It had a larger volume than the Titanic and carried only 97 passengers and crew, and sustain then in a breathable atmosphere for a very short time. Since the colony would not need to maneuver and travel through the air like a dirigible, you could ditch the engines and most of the structure of the balloon itself, but you would need large and heavy hydroponic systems and water reclamation systems, and what would you do for POWER? Solar won't be much use, nuclear is extremely heavy, and wind won't be terribly useful if the colony is drifting with the wind. Then their is the matter of getting to and from the thing. Unless you want to support a floating landing strip too, you'd need specialized craft that are half space shuttle and half VTOL jets. So, possibly a little research station could be had with a reasonable sized blimp, such as the Hindenburg, but and actual COLONY? I don't think so.
If we have the knowledge and tech to terraform other planets we can fix all the issues with Earth.
I think the problem with fixing shit on Earth is doing in a timescale where it doesn’t start killing nature... which was like a long time ago. No things alive on Mars to worry about, so we can terraform the planet on our preferred timeframe
The point is to have redundancy for the next big asteroid impact, and practice for the supernova so we can switch solar systems.
mars has so much carbon in its water it can create a atmosphere, the real only thing preventing us from staying there, while we still think we have so much on earth its putting holes in the atmosphere. No we can undig all the minerals we took from the thousands of years of development and we cant revert all the radiation damage and pollution to the world we've done.
Stopping the ruining of the planet we are currently on is a far FAR more realistic goal than colonizing another planet.
@@TimLF The sun isn't big enough to go supernova.
We should colonize Uranus
@Breenud39 TV -You filthy animal!!! :)
You mean YourAnis !
It would brutally kill us in a nanosecond
The gasses released from Uranus would kill us you're right!
Watch out for the Klingons around Uranus.
The gravity of Venus might be good for health, but it also makes it practically impossible to leave Venus once you enter the atmosphere. Without access to the surface, there is also little access to construction materials. Those two considerations would seem to make Venus a terrible place for colonization, even if one avoids the surface.
We probably will be able to build machines for the mining job
Much easier to start from Venus then from Earth. Thick atmosphere make airship powered launch pads very effective.
@@mureebe1 At present, we’re unsure of how to build any machines that could function on the surface of Venus for more than about an hour before breaking down permanently. So, it’s going to be a very long road before we could get to machines that could sustainably be used to do remote mining.
Thanks for addressing the gravity issue. So often very overlooked
The real issue is terraforming as we don’t know if silicon life forms exist there or not
I think the sunsets would be out of this world -literally.
Sure, but once you get there it falls apart.
I meant the upper atmosphere with similar temperature and pressure to Earth. You'd cook like a lamb roast in a minute flat down on the surface.
You still couldn't see the sun through that dense atmosphere, even at 1 Earth atmo of pressure. It would be a diffused blur. Plus, the Venerian day is so slow, it takes longer than a local year. More awesome than the sunsets would be the glowing inferno of molten rock below, IMHO.
I know the secret to landing on the sun without burning up. You just need to do it at night😎
lol
-- Ali G
We don't want to disturb sun by waking it up
😁👍🏻
ScotchTapeMafia if they could do something about turning down the temp a few hundred degrees, I’d be game
I think we are still a lot further than we think from colonizing anything off the Earth, even the Moon sounds like it is becoming unlikely. If we still want a challenge, Antarctica might be the ticket.
There have been no less than three singles titled "Venus" reach #1 on the Billboard Top 40: Frankie Avalon's 1959 hit, Dutch group Shocking Blue's only U.S. hit from 1970, and Bananarama's 1986 cover of the Shocking Blue song. Mars hasn't even had a song reach the Top 40. So there's your love for Venus, in music.
So this is the final countdown, we're heading for venus :)
Zanti noice!
You are forgetting about Bruno Mars. LOL
Also 30 Seconds to Mars
Life on Mars (David Bowie) made it to number 3 on the UK Singles Chart and 12 on Billboard
*This video took me on a roller coaster ride of emotions*
Kory Mann rip
Kory Mann Your a very Beautiful Venetian Let Me Know If Venus Is A Good Planet
Kory Mann yea well because you're a wamen
Trevor Graham Welch , you’re*
Kory, take your pills.
okay, fuck it we're going to Venus!
why not both?
Word #OccupyVenus
*****
yup, screw it, WE'RE TAKING ZOIDBERG WITH US!
Katherine Daniel ***** Please tell me this is not some lobster-boiling joke...
PBS Space Time
it is now....
Edgar Rice Burroughs, creator of Tarzan, wrote a whole series of novels on Venus.
And Mars.
@@khatharrmalkavian3306 You bet! And Pellucidar, Caspac, Africa... But, John Carter & Carson Napier were my favorites. All great reads.
And Pamela Sargent wrote "Venus of Dreams"
Fuck it we should colonize the sun!!
hell yeah bro
+David Lonek yeah got that right but how's that any different from my life right now.............................jk😃
Yes
+David Lonek totally agree, wtf did we do to deserve this shit
u stupid
wasn't there some idea about seeding the Venus atmosphere with bacteria at some point, to 'feed' on the CO2?
they'd probably burn extreme heat and dissolve in acid
Well maybe, but extremophiles on Earth can survive lava, and can contain proteins and chemicals that can be used to survive off of just about anything... They don't even necessarily need water for osmosis and diffusion either, so it's entirely plausible that somehow, life might survive in a Venusian atmosphere.
Life can adapt to almost everything it seems, Earth has had some FUCKED UP climate in the past, during mass extinction events and shit, and life has been able o adapt no problem, I can see an extremophile devouring the CO2 on Venus, maybe even a lifeform engineered by us, who knows? It seems that once started, the process of life is irrevocable.
+JonnyInfinite Neat idea.
Sulferic acid and 450c temperature they cant even send metall buuuut they can actually send 1 thing tardidise wich will and can live in space and in very high temps
I think we should take steps to colonize all of the above. The Moon, Mars and Venus, and push on from there, so that centuries from now, we are a space fearing species.
ForeverRepublic Faring, not fearing. XD
Aidan Sprucechopper thank you
I have an idea for the gas giants like Saturn! I'm using my imagination here but we could have floating cities like in star wars that city on a gas giant named Cloud City (at least I think that city was on a gas giant I'm just guessing) but I don't even know if that's possible
Annette Clements Yes, in Star Wars, Cloud City was located on a gas giant.
It might be possible with technology that is not yet in existence, but there are quite a lot of concerns and roadblocks with a thing like that (heavy winds, radiation, stability, etc.)
+Annette Clements the wind speed on Saturn is around 1200mph, about the same on Neptune and about 350mph on Jupiter so anything sent into the atmosphere would be ripped apart
If the planet is spinning / Rotating then you can have a slope facing the opposite of the spin while propelling the direction fighting the wind. helping with staying afloat. It probably won't be a free lift solution but it might reduce cost for keeping a small shuttle up.
Also as a side note if you plan to go BIG like a small town then try constructing big old towers that then have solar panels on them.
This won't get rid of all the atmospheric influence but it'd help with solar energy that of which can help with keeping the planet up once we find an engine powerfully enough to use solar power and keep the place afloat
Another note GASSES have tanks of light GASSES packed full on the shuttle it won't keep you fully afloat but can help reduce cost probably
Along with a good light THIN metal to build the station with
Solar energy might also help with gardens but water might need imports
This guy looks like Joe from Impractical Jokers.
So glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
That's why he looked familiar lol
Lmao same
Larry!
He is a mix between that Joe and Joe Russo
One of the main problems with this is constant global winds on Venus at that altitude often exceed 200 mph. Imagine living in an armored balloon in constant hurricane conditions, but instead of water you're always being pelted by a fine spray of sulphuric acid...
I'm not saying it can never be done, but just not with any existent space capabilities or probably even near future tech
they tend to leave that bit out in the brochure
Lol . . The fucking wind on Venus! There's a lot bigger fish to fry, and worry about other than gusty winds, there Nancy! Where do you get this constant global wind horseshit from anyhow there Mucous. There's been 2 probes that survived a combined 8 minutes before burning up, and snapped a total of 3 pictures on the Venetian surface. It had a glowing orange atmosphere, and a reddish brown landscape, but there was no mention of hostile winds by the Russian scientists who built the probes. Stop embarassing yourself Junior, and leave this type of content for the adults. I think you might have Venus and Jupiter mixed up there boy!
And what fucking altitude are you talking about stupid. Your senseless babble doesn't even make sense you moron.
Wow some pent up anger there better have that checked out sir.
Dwayne Chaps
Look who didn't watch the video, or if he did, didn't understand it.
Venusian "cloud cities" might be an interesting idea, but they'd be a one-way trip if we couldn't somehow climb back out of the .9g gravity well once more. The Cities themselves would necessarily be mineral-poor, since all they'd have is aerosolized particles to sift for minerals, which would make population sustenance an interesting proposition. Part of Martian and (and many other "surfacism") schemes are specifically about using as much of the resources in place to continue life, by not having to pack them in themselves, so transporting enough soil and water to Venus to support a viably multi-generation population might be prohibitively expensive in fuel costs alone. The x4 solar radiation is also a big problem, since anyone in the Cities would have to contend with a greater chance of radiation exposure damage, especially if they aren't somehow shielded appropriately from Alpha and Beta particles like we here on Earth are. Venus does not have a Van Allen belt to catch such hard radiation, which can be ruinously hazardous to life. These are all hurdles to first consider and somehow overcome before Venus can even be seriously considered to be a viable candidate for colonization.
We could drop asteroids for them, but at that point, why not just space habitats?
Launching from Venus wouldn't be an issue, a floating launchpad that releases its lifting gas as the rocket takes off could solve that. The radiation there is the problem. With launch systems like BFR is wouldn't be difficult to build vehicles capable of landing on the surface to extract resources.
Jaxon Mattox
That's the other advantage of a space habitat. You can build it as robust as you need to defend against radiation and the unforseen without considering gravity.
Sere Maddox or you can use the cloud cities to terraform the atmosphere.
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Carl Sagan made the first proposed method of terraforming Venus was made in 1961.
In a paper titled “The Planet Venus“, he argued for the use of genetically engineered bacteria to transform the carbon in the atmosphere into organic molecules.
However, these bacteria would have to be engineered to survive immense heat, pressure and acid rain. Not impossible to do, but definitely pushing biology to its absolute limits.
My statement is far fetched and very conceptional but I think we may be going in the wrong direction when we think of Terraforming. We may become more artificial and cybernetic and adapt our bodies to alien worlds instead of adapting the worlds to us. The human body simply cannot handle prolonged exposure to space (until we figure out some sort of artificial gravity). Right now we are on the verge of cloning human tissue for transplant but what about engineering tissue for another purpose entirely. Many people believe robots will annihilate humanity but I personally wonder if we will become robots, eventually.
+Aaron Slater I agree with this, but the problem is a lot of people would say there are philosophical problems with becoming cyborgs (they would say you're not you anymore). personally I disagree, I think as long as your brain stays intact you're still you.
+Aaron Slater Sure, and at this rate that's the only way we'll survive on this planet as well. :p
yeah, sad but true
This was an idea I remember from the old Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy comics, where in the year 3000 humanity colonized the solar system by genetically engineering people to have the best size and bone density for that planet's gravity. People on Jupiter were really huge for example.
This is called Transhumanism, and it seeks just what your suggesting, adapting ourselves to the universe instead making the universe bend to us, al, with technology.
But Venus is too
*_S P I C Y_*
Over 450°C and 90 atmospheres of pressure. You just said the reason why there is that tunnel vision for Mars.
but if we were aliens looking to colonise earth, we wouldn't be looking to colonise the bottom of the ocean would we! Same applies to Venus! why would anyone consider going to that pressure & temp when the habitable zone is 50km higher up?
The problem is how to build something in that altitude. Baloons are a nice idea but there is only so much stuff they can lift. Even with light materials you can build a big outpost at best, not an entire city with power plants and heavy industry. Sadly there will always be something that will have to stay on the ground.
something the size of the Hindenburg would lift 1000tonnes of weight on venus if filled with breathing air. If part of it was filled with hydrogen or helium instead, then your weight lifting capacity is MUCH higher (forgotten the numbers now, I think it's about 60times more, so 60,000tonnes for a Hindenburg size structure), but that's before looking at the aerodynamics of the platform to increase it's lift capacity. Like a raft on the ocean, a flat platform will lift MUCH more than a balloon shape will & remember that the materials to build the "balloon" (which would be more like an overgrown plastic water bottle) are floating in the air, so no limit on their availability once you have your basic setup up & running & processing that sulfuric acid into plastic.
If you can build a mining rig on the ocean on earth, you can easily do the same level of industrial structure floating on Venus (and remember that the lower you go, the more lift you get from the air, those numbers are at 50km high, if you dropped only to 40km high, the lift power increases massively -not good for people at that level, but automated stuff can easily work there to split the difference between the surface heat/pressure & human comfort zone, not that you need to anyway, plenty of lift available for the machinery at human comfort level)
Okay, good point. Seems like I'm still enclosed in too earth-like mindset. But the overgrown plastic bottle part is a little too simplified, that thing would just hopelessly break from all those forces it would have to withstand. I'm interested in what design and materials would be (if even) able to go through this. Gonna have to take a look into it
plastic bottle would be far more stable than a balloon though :) I did hear someone at one stage suggesting we send "beachball probes" lol & reality is, that at 50-55km, they'd probably survive just fine. Has to be a plastic that can withstand sulfuric acid, PE plastic meets this description & can be produced from sulfuric acid, so it would seem like the obvious choice - so not really that much different from a HUGE drinkbottle. Metals aren't going to be good due to corrosion from the acids.
Other than the acids, if it's just at the habitable zone, it doesn't seem like there is many forces to withstand (apart from the rocket landing/taking off). The higher you go, the cooler but also the less pressure outside, so more strength needed if you want breathable pressure inside, but there does seem to be a bit of a Goldilocks zone where it won't take much to build walls/floor/roof. Winds seem fast, but overall rotating speed is actually 4 times slower than earth & it's steady, no gusts or anything, so effectively no forces on the habitat.
I probably am oversimplifying it, but it still seems remarkably easy when compared to Mars & even the ISS.
If you want a good source for more info, these guys REALLY seem to know their stuff forum.kerbalspaceprogram.com/index.php?/topic/129667-designing-a-venus-cloud-base/&page=2
Seems like Venus should be an ideal terraforming project. We just need to transform the atmosphere with self-replicating nanomachine swarms. No biggie. And if there's not enough water, we just to strap some ion rockets to a bunch of ice asteroids and crash them into the planet. And if there's too much solar radiation, we just need a satellite swarm of solar panels to intercept it. Hmmm... this is starting to sound kinda challenging actually.
well.... is still more feasible than adjust a planet gravity...
Have an outpost going to mars would be easier.. but harder to sustain and without any actual value.
It would be slightly tougher to get a Venus outpost started, but once it does it would be relatively easy to maintain and there is massive benefits. (energy, gas, mining, even farming.)
Our first extraterrestrial outpost will be on Mars. Our first extraterrestrial city will be on Venus.
How do you mine in +450 degrees heat and 90x earth's atmospheric pressure though? If reinforced probes can't survive more than a couple of hours before imploding how can mining machinery be expected to work? I figure flying colonies on Venus, may very well mine gasses and farm their own food, but anything else would have to come from earth.
forget mining, what can you do if for any reason the "city" destabilize? in an instant you have EVERYBODY in it die, and everything there be turned into almost literal nothing.
compare that with mars, if lets say, an acident happens and one of the structures breaks open, it would be ALOT easier to rescue at least part of the colony, and later on, repair it.
many mining processes are now automated on earth ... wouldn't be too much of a stretch to automate them so that humans simply sit in their cloud city controlling them.
Tania Watkins
You'd still have to find a way for the machines to resist both the pressure and temperature. So automated or not is not really the issue.
Tania, so what if we have automation? how will that stop a malfunction? what if the colony is hit by some debris and is unable to sustain autitude? automation will only get you so far. no matter how safe that "cloud city" is, it wont stop EVERYBODY there from fearing the constant feeling that it only takes a single mistake to kill them all in an horrible way. and belive me, there arent as many deaths more painfull than death by pressure, or death from burning. and here we have, a place that will easily deliver both at the same time...
Colonize the moon first. Mars is too far, and we will never beable to breath the atmosphere. If one has to live in domes, the moon is a good first step.
Hey that's what I was thinking.
Imagine we looked over to the moon and instead of a blank sphere we see a bunch of buildings in there
There are upcoming moon missions on the way
Moon is just a freaking Big Gigantic rock its not Terra or even Terraformable
Leave the moon alone.
Mess up earth with CO2 then go to a planet with too much CO2. right.
Sponsored by Coca-Cola, who will use the excess CO2 to add fizz to their drinks...
and sulfuric acid
@@thesoundsmith I'm drinking coke right now
So
Too much CO2 that is faulty pro global warming theory which has to be got rid of as soon as possible for it is a lie. In fact, we have not got enough CO2 as agriculture requires more for growing more plants. Please listen to physicist William Happer in this issue. It’s pollution which is a huge problem and what it does to the oceans and marine life.
But how do you manage to withstand the friction of orbital speed at 1 atm? How can we stabilize the orbit of such sky cities?
I'm in I'll just practice living in my oven at 550 degrees
usa eyeglass 😂😂😂😂
Just start on a low tempeture and slowly raise it so your body gets used to the heat and then bam, able to live on the sun.
Sugoi Stalin perhaps we could colonize the sun in winter
@@noblenormie1179 or land on venus at night..great idea..elon musk has nothing on us
you have an extremely powerful oven
How about going to mercury instead? It's colder than Venus and it would look awesome seeing a massive star in the sky!!!
underrated
We wouldn't have enough sunscreen lol
Pizaerable You would only be able to live on sun-darkness edge, as one side is SUPER hot and the other SUPER cold, gravity is very low, no atmosphere, MUCH farther away.
Pizaerable there's also no magnetic field you would be completely exposed to any harmful UV radiation from the sun
massive amounts of radiation and no atmosphere sounds really fun.
“Let’s colonize hell !”
Sounds like a very human thing to do.
Too late,all my friends are already there.🎉🎉
how to make a doom guy?
@Pole Avocado. Matthew 7: 13,14 the majority of mankind will my friend. More people than not, will colonize it for sure according to this scripture.
Sounds like a great idea to me!
I was waiting for someone to finally point out that colonising Venus is a far better option for humanity in the long term than colonising the small and distant desert planet Mars, so the sooner we start the better
The problem is, whatever system you use to suspend a colony 50km above the venusian surface. It's still a technological system, and thus liable to failure. Regardless of what system fails on Mars, it's not likely to have you fall beneath it's surface to the point where the pressure crushes you. To say nothing of the acidic atmosphere.
All in all, I think the bias is less towards having a surface to plant a flag in, and more against depending solely on technology for the sake of survival. Which is admittedly stupid since Mars or Venus, any large system failure will likely cause massive casualties either way.
If something goes wrong on mars you have more or less vacuum which will boil your blood and also -60 celcius.
How is that any better?
Google what would happen to our body in vacuum. I enjoyed reading about it. Basically it wouldn't boil our blood because your blood is still pressurised inside your body(and skin turned out to be strong enough to hold that pressure) but you would feel your saliva boiling just before you lose consciousness from the lack of oxygen. This happened to one astronaut during vacuum tests on Earth, that's how he described it.
@@TheTaXoro Building sky cities is totally more reliable. Even if you fail on Mars, it won't cause as much damage as it will with Venus.
I think most people underestimate how hostile the Mars environment is. Check this out: ruclips.net/video/uqKGREZs6-w/видео.html
Basically, you'd have to live under 1m of dirt and ice just to shield yourself from radiation. That means no windows either.
tibanna gas.
why does he speak like he's selling some product on TV?
Because, he is...
You got it
Hes selleng venus
Duhhhh
All of these made-for-tv science and/or documentaries do. They are trying to sell you ideas instead of products. (most of us call this propaganda)
@@VeggyZ Propaganda is political. Promoting a far future hypothetical, scientific concept is hardly propaganda.
The problem with a cloud city is the economics. What does a community in the Venus' clouds produce and trade?
economy should die, we need to focus on human relations and emotions
Lazar Otasevic
Thanks for the childish input. Run along, this is meant to be an adult conversation.
+IamRayson i give up, yore bigger jerk than me
Lazar Otasevic
And don't you forget it. :D
+IamRayson We could sky farms, no need for a greenhouse either :D
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If you want to spend your life in a balloon floating above Venus while taking sulfuric acid showers, just stay on Earth.
+Benjamin Dover lol
+Benjamin Dover exactly - venus has a 'runaway greenhouse effect' - the EXACT thing climate scientists consider the worst case scenario for global warming. so just stay here a while..
+Andrew Deen in reality if this did happen, I'd imagine a scenario where these HAVOC cities would become a thing for the elitists who wish to sustain humanity.
yeah you're probably right
+Andrew Deen you are wrong thare, the heat on venus is becouse of presure, not CO2.
who else heard the one way mission to mars and immediately thought..."fuck everyone im gonna be a astronaut"
same
Yep
yep its boring here
+Josh Graves Someone needs to send robots to Mars and build a Las Vegas like city there first before we could go there.
yeah but the people who tried to set up mars one had no clue what they where doing
How can we (mankind) be talking about colonizing other planets when we can even colonize our oceans???
good point
Because why would anyone want to live ridiculously low in the ocean?
Bilbo_Gamers why would anyone want to live in an extremely hostile environment hundreds of millions of miles away from resources and civilization?
Dylan Wedel If you want to have Rapture, go right ahead, but Venus would work just as well.
Agreed. Before going to Mars, build a sustainable colony underwater.
Instead of focusing on how to leave the planet, we should all first reduce all the current problems on earth
You know, I bet within the next 25 years we could genetically engineer some alege that could with stand 70 C° temperature and start to change the atmosphere composition.
do you realize how long that would take?
yeah, it would definitely be a thousand+ year project. But we need to do something.
samindj a super long time, but just because it will take long is more reason to start sooner
I mean sure , but I don't think any company is willing to spend millions into something that may not even be needed. 1000+ years is a long time, rocket science and our knowledge about space will expand to places we can't even imagine. Maybe we'll find a suitable planet etc
samindj sounds like something SpaceX would be down to do, or even an international effort could be made
NASA: Let's colonize this Planet!
U.S: Is there oil?
NASA: ...
U.S: ...
You loose me not choosing the words "pickup", "guns" and "Boobs". God bless America.
Shut up....
@mrcviciousful dude it was just a joke
Wow! These Replies are killing me! 😂😂😂😂
@mrcviciousful I have the "freedom" to comment. Moreover, how can you know if im *jealous* just by reading words?
funny how floating islands is exactly what was being used on venus in the anime Cowboy Bebop and it was still partly being terraformed
The girl with red hair probably thought it was funny. Then she solved a crime on the burning inhospitable surface.
Venus stole it from cowboy Bebop.
I think mars is best bet tbh. Venus cloud cities would be cool but that would be difficult and honestly the idea of being on a surface sounds better. But Venus sounds like it has potential in the future I never knew all of this I’m impressed I thought it would be impossible to live on Venus or in it I guess you could say. Learned something new today
Soo.. We need to find a way to put Mars on the surface of Venus...? Right?
keep in mind, there's no Craig's list in space...
NASA has lied about the climatic and atmospheric conditions on many of our Solar System's planets and moons. The Mars Rovers were given a lifespan of 3 months in the 70's because of the 'supposed' frequent 600kmh wind/dust storms. 50 years late and plenty of images show nothing of the sort. The only reasons for cessation of operation have been for technical/computer/power reasons. Also, in this age of such incredibly high colour photographic pixel technology do we still see black and white photos and red filter photos???
@@KRW1612 state your point
Swap out planets, or move Venus to Mars orbit and make Mars the new Venusian moon.
@Feanor Silva and it will be hoter asshole ,
Good anti-surfacism thinking but I think you've missed the best choice of all which is the asteroid belt. All the resources we need are there and we can mine the rocks and live inside the excavations. We can spin up the rocks for artificial gravity, and the energy costs of moving between them is negligible compared with climbing out of gravity wells.
Melinda Green Thats an awesome concept.
You mean the one that's so far away that there is barely any light or heat? that one? Lol no. We need something closer to the sun.
Jason Klein
Mars has those problems and more. When you think about it practicality and not romantically, I believe the asteroid belt is the way to go.
Melinda Green I'm sorry but you're kind of an idiot. lol
But the asteroids barely have gravity, so our bones would have way less weight.
I read a book long ago that venus could be "terraformed" by injecting its atmosphere with blue-green algae, which can withstand HUGELY high temperatures, like in engines of jets. Keep it up, and in time, the CO2 would be vastly reduced because it is food for the algae. I don't remember how the book said we could get oxygen from the CO2 for breathing, though. At some point, the atmosphere would cease its greenhouse effect. It would probably rain a LOT. Depending on how much water is in the atmosphere. I thought that was a case of extremely innovative thinking.
A few years ago, I learned somewhere that that plan wouldn't work. But it was a while ago, and I've forgotten WHY it wouldn't work. It still seems to me that it could be tried, since it can't do any harm.
As the CO2 level dropped, so would the temperature. If we c could turn its atmosphere into one similar to Earth's, we'd be able to live on its surface. We'd weigh just a bit less than on earth. ALL of the problems with Venus are created by its atmosphere.
I do know that Venus and Earth could easily have developed identical characteristics. In other words, venus COULD have ended up with an Earth-like environment. Earth could have ended up with Venus' environment. I don't know if anyone has figured out how it was that these sister planets ended up with such extremely diverse conditions. I'd love to know. But it does seem a better way to try to support human colonies on Venus if we would just alter the nature of its atmosphere first.
But does it have a molten iron core? Without it, cosmic rays could kill us within days. It would have no ozone layer, so we'd die just as fast from intense ultraviolet.
I don't think most people realize how VERY fortunate we are that Earth is the way it is.
It's diverse only for us man :) I guess some aliens would consider planets to be almost identical in terms of environment. Anyway we lucky, I agree.
Cyanobacteria and simple chloroplasts like blue green algae "eat" carbon dioxide and "shit" oxygen. Problem is, they need liquid water to live.
On the plus side, over time, the oxygenation of that water leads to increases of oxygen in the atmos. Gaseous oxygen reacts with gaseous methane to further reduce greenhouse effect. Of course, when that happened here on earth, it triggered a massive extinction.
"HUGELY high temperatures" is quite the understatement. Those creatures that first lived on Earth are long gone now.
fastermx cause we were created ... out planet a too perfect.. whether you call it god, aliens , a supreme being , Alah.. this planet was created just like we would have to create another planet to make it work... To perfect here
@@chriswalkup1128 It's not too perfect. Do you know how many planets there are in the whole universe? So many that it would be highly unlikely that no planet would be like Earth. In fact, there are so many planets that imo the chance that there is at least one other planet that has similar conditions to Earth is pretty high
Trouble is that Venus doesn't have any resources in its atmosphere. The only possible resources on Venus exist on and under the surface of the planet. A better option would be to build spacesteads (large rotating space stations outfitted like environments on Earth) inside near-Earth asteroids. These stations would be O'Neill cylinders around 800 meter to 2 kilometers diameter with a length of around twice or thrice that. Now, people would have to get used to seeing expanses of land and maybe water when they looked up, instead of seeing a sky. Alternatively, toroidal stations could be built. These would be bigger than O'Neill cylinders and only the "bottom" half of the structure would have land and water, while the other half could be a glass roof that would provide a sky view.
Agree 100%. I always thought that O'Neill had the only reasonable approach to large scale human habitation beyond the earth. I think however we should establish a self sustainable lunar outpost first. It will be necessary to get water, oxygen, and materials from the moon rather than try to lift them from earth. However we don't need to start with hugh space colonies. I think that we could start with relatively small self sustaining modular space stations, and then just mass produce the modules.