As a suggestion... and knowledge from days when I was building RC model boats and running a RC model boat shop here in Melbourne Australia, I used to buy in a lot of the spare components to scratch build boats and cars. Have a look at local electronic component suppliers for connectors they are very cheap as they do not contain the "Hobby or Model train" wording and are readily available at most component suppliers... I look forward to seeing this back on the rails...
Well Bill it was a gallant try and not using the computer replacement plug was a good call. They do sell them with the pins and plug only here in the US but still to fit the larger gage wire. Looking forward to the 2nd part of the repair. Great video, Jersey Bill
This is an excellent example of many mishaps which can easily happen, and to such a relatively recent real collectors model as well. Excellent presentation, as always Bill - I'm sure this one will have a happy ending. Quite interesting with your latest format of presenting in instalments.
Acquiring an A3 with double chimneys and smoke deflectors is in my wistful dreaming of what to buy when I become a millionaire. I'm not sure how many old Triang Hornby A3s I have, being sure of two for sure, but maybe one more, but I do love how they were fitted out in the final years of service. The smoke deflectors and double chimneys gave them some beauty and class.
Looks like my WD 2-8-0 started a trend..... 😮 Nice model, though. I've got Lemberg in Wartime Black, but a Black FS with smoke deflectors would be a great addition to my A1/A3 fleet, even though I'm not 100% it's prototypical. I've never, ever seen anyone fix a tender plug. You were soooo close.
One of Hornbys mixed bags, in wartime it didn't have the double chimney, that was fitted in 1958. Whilst the smoke deflectors didn't appear until 1961. They must have had a brainwave to make a what might have been locomotive . I'm all for them making trains to make money but a bit of quick checking would have revealed their mistakes
Tis nota mistake it’s jus one of the livery’s the nrm put it in after its multi billion £ taxpayer funded underhaul, thas all n ol Hornby jus copied it as twas!! Simples!!
Maybe it would have been worth using the replacement plug and metal pins, detaching the thick wires and soldering the original thinner wires to them, rather than trying to re-use the original molten plug. This is the Hornby NRM version of Scotsman - they only made 500 R3100s, so it was quite a desirable model in its time and worth the effort to resurrect it. The loco underframe and brake rods are easy to find, but the glue mess is a real shame. Hornby never provided locating holes for the smoke deflectors, so whoever tried to attach them in the first place would have been better advised to leave them in the accessory bag.
Hi Bill, Typical of Hornby to take an existing loco and slap a new coat of paint on it and say it something else. As said below the flying Scotsman did not get the double Kylchap chimney until 1958 and smoke deflectors until 1961. Still it does look a nice loco. I personally would try and remove the glue and repaint where the damage is. Then put the smoke deflectors in the spare box. If the repair does not look too good. You could then put the deflectors on the model.
Is that the one that was a NRM exclusive. Sure this one replicates flying Scotsmen when it was restored and in war time black on display at NRM York. Hence why having the double chimney.
When first overhauled she carried smoke deflectors, two different numbers either cabsides and N E wartime black. However cracks were found in the frames so she was stripped down again and when resembled painted BR green. There are pictures of her in this state on google .
Ah, OK. I was wondering how prototypical this model was. Mind you, I'd still buy one, regardless as it looks great. One quetion: I thought the A3 boiler wasn't fitted until 1947/48?
Those little connectors are JST connectors available from electronics suppliers - you'd need to measure the pitch to get the right one. As you've found a spare assembly it's probably not worth bothering, but if you hadn't able to get one buying some connectors would be a good Plan B.
was thinking the same, but from typical electronics suppliers, they probably sell them by the boxful! ...or you'd be looking at similar cost for smaller-order handling and carriage.
@@dnealuk There's loads of small electronics suppliers aimed at hobbyists. Some on eBay, some you have to google for. It's important to look at prices but I've been able to get things like a single 14 pin DIL socket and a 1st class stamp for delivery. Bowood Electronics is one, though I don't know if they do these connectors.
@Phoby von Phobenstein thinks the connectors are JST-PH 2.0mm available on Amazon with crimping pliers (but he a tortoise so i am not sure how he knows).
It’s unusual to see two different numbers on the same body, 103 on the left side, 502 on the right. Both are correct for the Flying Scotsman but I don’t think she would have worn both other than on 5th May 1946 when she became 103. Re the excessive glue you can remove it using super glue remover and a sharp blade but it takes a lot of time and patience. Good luck with the restoration.
If im right in thinking, Hornby released this model when Scotsman was just about done with its 2016 overhaul, when it was painted in wartime black with its pre-BR numbers.
why not try lendons of cardiff for parts? example x6113 new models shop £4.95 lendons of cardiff £3.49. they beat every other parts suppliers by a mile on price, try them next time
I've used Lendons many times. But speed of delivery is very important to me so a couple of quid extra for fast delivery is worth it. Peter's Spares and New Modellers Shop have always been very good for fast and often next day delivery so are my go to sources for parts. After that it's a matter of whoever has the part in stock at the lowest price.
As a suggestion... and knowledge from days when I was building RC model boats and running a RC model boat shop here in Melbourne Australia, I used to buy in a lot of the spare components to scratch build boats and cars. Have a look at local electronic component suppliers for connectors they are very cheap as they do not contain the "Hobby or Model train" wording and are readily available at most component suppliers... I look forward to seeing this back on the rails...
Well Bill it was a gallant try and not using the computer replacement plug was a good call. They do sell them with the pins and plug only here in the US but still to fit the larger gage wire. Looking forward to the 2nd part of the repair. Great video, Jersey Bill
This is an excellent example of many mishaps which can easily happen, and to such a relatively recent real collectors model as well.
Excellent presentation, as always Bill - I'm sure this one will have a happy ending.
Quite interesting with your latest format of presenting in instalments.
Acquiring an A3 with double chimneys and smoke deflectors is in my wistful dreaming of what to buy when I become a millionaire. I'm not sure how many old Triang Hornby A3s I have, being sure of two for sure, but maybe one more, but I do love how they were fitted out in the final years of service. The smoke deflectors and double chimneys gave them some beauty and class.
Looks like my WD 2-8-0 started a trend..... 😮
Nice model, though. I've got Lemberg in Wartime Black, but a Black FS with smoke deflectors would be a great addition to my A1/A3 fleet, even though I'm not 100% it's prototypical.
I've never, ever seen anyone fix a tender plug. You were soooo close.
The heebiegeebies 😂😂😂😂😂
Gee someone made a right old mess of that loco Bill, a big ask for you to fix all that. Best of luck
A box of bits for Bill to work his magic
One of Hornbys mixed bags, in wartime it didn't have the double chimney, that was fitted in 1958. Whilst the smoke deflectors didn't appear until 1961. They must have had a brainwave to make a what might have been locomotive . I'm all for them making trains to make money but a bit of quick checking would have revealed their mistakes
Tis nota mistake it’s jus one of the livery’s the nrm put it in after its multi billion £ taxpayer funded underhaul, thas all n ol Hornby jus copied it as twas!! Simples!!
Check Farnell Components or RS Components for connectors and crimps. They look like a Molex connector.
Maybe it would have been worth using the replacement plug and metal pins, detaching the thick wires and soldering the original thinner wires to them, rather than trying to re-use the original molten plug. This is the Hornby NRM version of Scotsman - they only made 500 R3100s, so it was quite a desirable model in its time and worth the effort to resurrect it. The loco underframe and brake rods are easy to find, but the glue mess is a real shame. Hornby never provided locating holes for the smoke deflectors, so whoever tried to attach them in the first place would have been better advised to leave them in the accessory bag.
Hi Bill, Typical of Hornby to take an existing loco and slap a new coat of paint on it and say it something else. As said below the flying Scotsman did not get the double Kylchap chimney until 1958 and smoke deflectors until 1961. Still it does look a nice loco. I personally would try and remove the glue and repaint where the damage is. Then put the smoke deflectors in the spare box. If the repair does not look too good. You could then put the deflectors on the model.
Is that the one that was a NRM exclusive. Sure this one replicates flying Scotsmen when it was restored and in war time black on display at NRM York. Hence why having the double chimney.
And the smoke deflectors, I may be wrong but I don’t believe the German-style smoke deflectors were fitted to any of them during the war.
Hi bill that’s some repair you have
When first overhauled she carried smoke deflectors, two different numbers either cabsides and N E wartime black. However cracks were found in the frames so she was stripped down again and when resembled painted BR green. There are pictures of her in this state on google .
Ah, OK. I was wondering how prototypical this model was. Mind you, I'd still buy one, regardless as it looks great.
One quetion: I thought the A3 boiler wasn't fitted until 1947/48?
Those little connectors are JST connectors available from electronics suppliers - you'd need to measure the pitch to get the right one. As you've found a spare assembly it's probably not worth bothering, but if you hadn't able to get one buying some connectors would be a good Plan B.
was thinking the same, but from typical electronics suppliers, they probably sell them by the boxful! ...or you'd be looking at similar cost for smaller-order handling and carriage.
@@dnealuk There's loads of small electronics suppliers aimed at hobbyists. Some on eBay, some you have to google for. It's important to look at prices but I've been able to get things like a single 14 pin DIL socket and a 1st class stamp for delivery. Bowood Electronics is one, though I don't know if they do these connectors.
@Phoby von Phobenstein thinks the connectors are JST-PH 2.0mm available on Amazon with crimping pliers (but he a tortoise so i am not sure how he knows).
It’s unusual to see two different numbers on the same body, 103 on the left side, 502 on the right. Both are correct for the Flying Scotsman but I don’t think she would have worn both other than on 5th May 1946 when she became 103. Re the excessive glue you can remove it using super glue remover and a sharp blade but it takes a lot of time and patience. Good luck with the restoration.
If im right in thinking, Hornby released this model when Scotsman was just about done with its 2016 overhaul, when it was painted in wartime black with its pre-BR numbers.
Yes you are right she carried this unusual livery during her running in trials after restoration in 2011.
With that loco to tender lead in the state it is you would be better off purchasing a replacement one
why not try lendons of cardiff for parts? example x6113 new models shop £4.95 lendons of cardiff £3.49. they beat every other parts suppliers by a mile on price, try them next time
I've used Lendons many times. But speed of delivery is very important to me so a couple of quid extra for fast delivery is worth it. Peter's Spares and New Modellers Shop have always been very good for fast and often next day delivery so are my go to sources for parts. After that it's a matter of whoever has the part in stock at the lowest price.
How do models end up in this condition 😮😢