@@SThompsonRAMM_1203it was literally just a funny bit, you need to chill. All he said was that butch vig took his recording many layers of guitars technique and used it for Nirvana. He’s not insulting anyone he was just stating how he and butch big influenced each other
I think Willy is correct. Listen to Gish and Nirvana pre Nevermind. Nirvana was more garagey heavy metal. Butch Vig brought the Pumpkins sound to Nirvana. Made it more refined and melodic. Willy likes to say I did this but he’s often right.
@@goudagalindo1790 Kurt somehow got way better at melodies, that's why its more melodic producer isnt going to come up with melodies for you, but ya the sound is very refined, not garagy
@@tvviewer4500no, we did. This guy is just full of himself and loves to say that the Smashing Pumpkins matter. He’s hoping that maybe one day itll be convincing.
@ smashing pumpkins definitely matter. You might just not be capable enough of getting that because you’ve never listened to anything except via computer speakers and earphones. Nuisance is lost on intellects like yours
@@davidzubiria3783 Corgan possibly influenced the Requiem, but Mozart first heard Gish and Siamese Dream after he wrote Marriage of Figaro, The Magic Flute, and Don Giovanni.
@@UADOS11I’m surprised more people don’t know it, it was on a VH1 behind the music. Also it was on History Channel’s the UneXplained with William Shatner.
you see, if he compliments something that he takes credit for, he gets to compliment himself. it's called the billy corgan method, he came up with it himself.
@@MrDlt123 Billy's a prick but his rock and roll songwriting and guitar playing r something to see if you haven't you might should take the opportunity especially since Jimmy's off the heroin and his drum playing is off the charts presently I would say Jimmy's probably more talented than Billy but someone has to write the songs
@@Egg-88 not really if you think about it this is all stereotypical b******* comedy nothing of the caliber of say a Norm Macdonald but I'll have to agree it's definitely amateur hour when it comes to pumpkin haters. But I'm sure it's more like just Billy haters.. lol
Yeah Kurt actually saying he was worried it might be considered a Pixies ripoff, and was from their influence, was wrong, He meant Smashing Pumpkins. Billy will set ya straight...
He’s talking about the tone and the way it’s layered not Nirvanas music itself Guess it’s hard to understand if you’ve never picked up a guitar before. 😂
@@heavymetal_cutting_fabricationExactly right well said. There's a punk band called the meatmen, and they used the teen spirit riff to write a song called we hate this riff, because that riff was the chesseiest most ripped off riff. It was so cheesy that even Nirvana started to hated it.
The whole distortion on guitar was kinda my thing…same for layering multiple guitars, which was unheard of then. Butch’s mustache and glasses were the glue our band needed to really breakout from the rest. And to him I am always grateful that he knew me.
Yes over dumbing seemed really fake to Kurt, until Butch informed him that John Lennon I'm sorry Billy Corgan also overdubbed and that produce music was all about using the studio and its tools....😅 No total bulshit aside Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain we're very competitive Billy Corgan was f****** Courtney Love way before Kurt ever met her that in itself created an insane competition dynamic the reason I can't stand Billy Corgan anymore is first his ego secondly his knowledge of exactly what went down between Kurt and Courtney and his head exploding
This younger generation will never understand how powerful it felt to live in the early ‘90s when albums like this were dropping. Waiting for videos on MTV was a whole vibe that cannot be duplicated. No internet, technology was in its infancy, if you wanted to know what people around the world were doing and “liking” you had to watch TV. MTV was the beginning of The Culture. Pumpkins, STP, Nirvana, second coming of Aerosmith, Sound Garden, Sublime, Blind Melon, Green Day, Warren G, Snoop, Dre, Biggie, Pac, Naughty By Nature, Onyx, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, and so many more. Helluva time to be alive.
I remember back when Gish came out, an interviewer remarked, "You must be a huge Boston fan," referring to Tom Sholtz's layered guitars, which Billy clearly emulated. Corgan just blushed and said, "I don't change the station when they come on."
This. Although he’s talking about Vig he should be conscious enough to not try and seem like nirvana ripped him off in any way. This is a dick move and probably the reason he wanted to go on Beato’s show.
…..Billy’s also the dude that Courtney “thought about” cheating on Kurt with. soooo….technically, he could take credit for the Rome incident, that led to Kurt’s death. I mean, since we’re giving credit, where credit is due an all Biiiiilly.
Kurt would only double-track because he was told John Lennon had done it. What Kurt didn't know is that Billy convinced John Lennon to do it in the first place.
“Quiet” saved my life when I was 15. I cannot thank Billy Corgan enough. “Be ashamed of the mess you’ve made” Was the line that made me bawl out crying and it made me feel emotions and it kept me going. Thank you to The Smashing Pumpkins. ❤️
The guys in Nirvana did. There's interviews with members of Nirvana where they tell us how they reacted when they first heard the mix on Nevermind. They did not have a positive reaction to the guitar sound. What they heard in the mix was not what they expected. Butch had to trick Kurt into playing loads of takes. Kurt didn't know how Butch would use all those takes. No, Corgan isn't claiming that he invented guitar layering. But his very specific way of layering guitars was unique, and Kurt had no real influence on how Butch would mix Nevermind.
@@SD_Marcyeah I dont think most people would notice at the time. The vast majority of people that heard Nevermind had probably not heard Gish. And even if some noticed, without all the info that we have available to us now (like these interviews) I don't think there would have been a forum of discussion about it. Not to mention that the vast majority of listeners are not guitar players or producers who even notices similarities in recording productions.
Lol I like to imagine David just made the entire movie, foreshadowing the twist and everything, but didn't actually know it existed until Billy strolled into the studio one day
@MetalSlug-ev5wu Oh come on, it's not like he's Puff Daddy or R Kelly. He's a prick sometimes, but talented people often are full of themselves, you almost have to be to make it that far in the business.
Billy Corgan had a dream nirvana released nevermind as a young man in 1988. Imagine his surprise when he learned his dreams had the ability to become what would occur in reality itself. First, he had to find a way to endow kurt cobain with the musical talent and ability so the people at large could benefit from Corgan's vision. A noble gesture to allow others the glory and spectacle while you silently and thanklessly make it all possible.
I never got them. Everything they do seemed meandering. Not by any means judging people who like them or saying they aren't good, they have a unique sound. It just doesn't appeal to me for some reason I can't put my finger on.
Alice In Chains was definitely the most musically/instrumentally gifted/talented of the bunch IMO. And I was obsessed with all the big hitters, but I grew up listening to AIC. I remember always needing to fall asleep to Jar of Flies when I was 7-ish.
Thank god I was in high school during the time there albums came out. It must have been like listening to Elvis for the first time to a kid in the 1950s. Nevermind was released and everything changed
I can't stand Nirvana. Kurt whining about everything. I can honestly say they wouldn't stop playing them everywhere. I'm so glad they aren't big anymore.
@pixelcultmedia4252 I've worked with Corgan. He believes he invented the 90s sound and that everyone has plagiarized him. He's said as much, in my presence, many times.
@@FamiliyLibraryRoom haha ur so funny and original. I doubt you even listen to the smashing pumpkins, billy corgan is actually a really influential musician. And hes also not even close to as much of a bad guy these comments make him out to be.
I love the Smashing Pumpkins but Corgan makes it’s so hard sometimes. Nirvana “borrowed” from many bands and songs like… Boston’s More Than A Feeling Killing Joke’s Eighties Gap Band’s Burn Rubber The Beatles Cameo I just don’t think of The Smashing Pumpkins when I’m listening to Nirvana. They are both two of my favorite bands but they sound completely different to me
I think Billy was only on about the way butch layered the guitars, but even then I'm not sure that Billy was the first person to layer distorted guitars in the studio
@@AD-BC-84He's not even remotely close to the first person to layer tracks. Not even close. He's just super pissed off a dead man will be forever more famous then he is.
A lot of bands/publications were citing the Smashing Pumpkins guitar sound in the 90’s. Corgan often sounds arrogant, but like a lot of times he might be right here… though saying that the sound inspired then would be better than to say they stole it…
He is arrogant but he is definitely truthful. He could brag about way more about all the Nirvana stuff he knows about or was involved with, than he does. He dated Courtney before, during and after. - I suspect he is saving it for a book.
He's not saying Kurt or Nirvana stole his guitar sound, but that Butch Vig stole it (and did it just after producing the Pumpkins, so yeah, it pans out). He's talking about a production sound, not a live performance one.
Pumpkins' and Billy's output was just massive. So many great songs. One of the top bands of their era. Nirvana sound is more stripped down, while Pumpkins' can often be more lush. Both are great.
Billy should put on his bucket list overcoming his ego I keep thinking he’s close but when I check in it’s grown even bigger . Save some space for the rest of us, Billy
Billy was who the based Michael J Fox's character on since Billy built a time machine and created Chuck Berry and Van Halen all whilst having a disappearing hand.
It's about even in songwriting, although his songs on Live Though This might give Kurt the slight edge. Billy was a WAY better guitar player. Kurt (and Courtney, hah!) had the pure rock and roll voice, and that's the ballgame. Billy's sneering nasality would forever limit his appeal. OTOH, and God is empty just like ... ME!
More talented? Cobain? Are you serious? Billy has wayyyyy more talent across the board. Every level of music. Kurt was a drug addict that Love got her claws into. The best thing for Billy ever was her leaving.
It really isn't, no matter what Kurt said. Only the first two chords of the progression are the same (but in different keys), the rhythm is perhaps reminiscent, but, no, they don't really sound anything alike.
People hating on Billy for what? Just because Nirvana had a different sound doesn't mean they didn't use similar techniques to achieve the sound. Music production is about nuance. Billy is not hating, he is highlighting a commonality between the two groups and expressing appreciation for the producer who helped create two timeless albums for both bands.
For never being able to give someone props without backhanded complimenting them and making it about himself. Pretty simple. Billy's ego makes him insufferable to a lot of people.
Agree. Nirvana woke people up. It was a key that unlocked most people's awareness but there were other great bands that had been around longer and worked longer. Put out more material. Nirvana was influential but the were the shortest existing band, pumpkins, Sound garden have had way more prolonged sucess. I think Foofighters are a bigger band than Nirvana. Pumpkins put out 2 masterpieces in my opinion and one was a Double album. Nirvana reminded people that actual Rock music/punk existed after 80s corporate crap. That why Nirvana was so huge.
Props to Billy for coming up with dividing sound into pitches, then connecting them rhythmically in time to create melody and stacking them together to invent harmony.
It's one of my favorites too, excluding Tool, it probably is my favorite. Because of that album, and only that album, I won't speak bad of Billy, even though he makes it easy to do.
Same. Billy is something else for sure. But the pumpkins made one of those albums that will always be one of those once in a generation albums. @rickcampbell6409
@@TechTokOffical You just moved the goal posts. Nowhere in the video does it specifically say albums that started a new genre. Besides, most genres start before the first album of it is released.
I think Nirvana was just in the right time and right place. IMO there were better bands in the Seattle area. They were very good but no better than others.
There's only one Beatles Ed Sullivan moment, and... There's only one *Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit,* _first time hearing it moment!_ I still vividly remember when I first heard it. It was soon after its release in 1991. I was 27 years old at the time... driving in my truck, headed toward *Springfield Massachusetts* and listening to Springfield Massachusetts radio station *WAQY: ROCK 102 FM.*
_It was just as I was rounding the bend on the entrance ramp_ to *Route 91 North,* from *Route 5 North* in Enfield Connecticut. Suddenly, on my *_VERY LOUD,_* 6-speaker, car stereo system... I heard that opening, crunchy guitar riff followed by those thundering drums and... *RIGHT AWAY! **_I WAS HOOKED!_* I thought to myself, *_WHAT IS THIS?!_** ...just... WOW!!* IMPOSSIBLE to forget that moment!
Nice memory! I was 11, it was 1am. My Dad was driving us home from netting smelt off of Cayuga lake. When that song kicked in I asked him "Is this classic rock?". He answered with a laugh, "I don't think so!". Lmao. Love that memory, and love my Dad ❤.
I was 12... I was already into punk and indie stuff like the pixies, so it wasn't completely mindblowing or anything, but it was GOOD. I loved it immediately and have ever since. Nirvana remains a top 10 band for me
I was 15, i watch the video on mtv and I was thinling.... Why so much hype for this song.... Enter Sandman sounds much much better... In deed Lithium was the song that catch me into Nirvanas music....
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It's a little known fact that the baby on the cover of the Nevermind album was actually a 27 year old Billy Corgan.
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Best comment on the internet lmao
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HILARIOUS
I didn’t expect him to be that humble
He thinks he's being humble but this is what passive aggressive is. He starts with a dig/insult and then goes into what he thinks is humility.
It took him 30 years to admit it
that was as subtle as a dump truck hitting a house.
If only Angel Reese could learn from this.
@@SThompsonRAMM_1203it was literally just a funny bit, you need to chill. All he said was that butch vig took his recording many layers of guitars technique and used it for Nirvana. He’s not insulting anyone he was just stating how he and butch big influenced each other
Billy taught war strategy to Julius Caesar.
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That’s what I thought too
Don’t forget he taught Sun Tzu the art of war too!
Says Billy big head!!
Not sure if you've seen the new clip but there is evidence that Billy is Satoshi Nakamoto. The evidence is Billy finally admitting it.
Billy will go down in HIS story as the greatest influence in rock.
I think Willy is correct. Listen to Gish and Nirvana pre Nevermind. Nirvana was more garagey heavy metal. Butch Vig brought the Pumpkins sound to Nirvana. Made it more refined and melodic. Willy likes to say I did this but he’s often right.
I see what ya did, there. 😅
@@goudagalindo1790 Kurt somehow got way better at melodies, that's why its more melodic producer isnt going to come up with melodies for you, but ya the sound is very refined, not garagy
@@pskattum yep, Legend in his own mind
The comments are exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you
Same lol. This fuckin guy 😂
He is pointing out something obvious that you never thought of
@@tvviewer4500no, we did. This guy is just full of himself and loves to say that the Smashing Pumpkins matter. He’s hoping that maybe one day itll be convincing.
@ smashing pumpkins definitely matter. You might just not be capable enough of getting that because you’ve never listened to anything except via computer speakers and earphones. Nuisance is lost on intellects like yours
@@tvviewer4500How about editing?
I remember that quote from Mozart saying: without the pumpinks I wouldn't have gotten anywhere
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@@davidzubiria3783 Corgan possibly influenced the Requiem, but Mozart first heard Gish and Siamese Dream after he wrote Marriage of Figaro, The Magic Flute, and Don Giovanni.
He stole the tone of power chords😅
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"Billy Corgan is the most influential artist of our lifetime."
-Billy Corgan
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Does he actually believe he was the first person to layer multiple guitar tracks on top of each other?
@@michaelegan3522 Yeah this would have come across better if he actually explained the details of what he meant by copying the sound.
Ha!😂 exactly!😅
@@michaelegan3522 I thought the same thing. 😂 But he's known for spewing BS, so it didn't surprise me at all.
That album came out only weeks before Corgan built the first Stratocaster
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Alot of people don't know that...they don't really talk about it...but they should. It's important music history
@@UADOS11I’m surprised more people don’t know it, it was on a VH1 behind the music. Also it was on History Channel’s the UneXplained with William Shatner.
Comment of the week!😂
He was coming off the high of having sold his company, Les Paul, to Les Paul.
The 90s were the gift billy keeps giving & taking.
You’ve got to love Billy, he’s complimenting as well as backhandedly taking credit at the same time.
He's a child happens when he's all ego. He's got nothing but the music he made and it shows
you see, if he compliments something that he takes credit for, he gets to compliment himself. it's called the billy corgan method, he came up with it himself.
Billy is such a great guy. Ask him. He'll tell you.
I think it goes, "Billy is such a great guy, but don't take my word for it, he'll tell you himself."
@@MrDlt123 Billy's a prick but his rock and roll songwriting and guitar playing r something to see if you haven't you might should take the opportunity especially since Jimmy's off the heroin and his drum playing is off the charts presently I would say Jimmy's probably more talented than Billy but someone has to write the songs
@JeremyGray-jg4db Agree. Not knocking Billy's songs. I loved SP. One of the best groups of that era.
Bill burr is cool❤
@bubot17 Similar 'hair' styles, but Corgan's about half a foot taller. But Bill Burr is hilarious though.
One of the most humble things anybody has ever said
It's one of the most humble things I've heard him say
Lmao, the cocky smirk on his face. I can’t
Yea they were such a great band. Siamese Dream was epic!!!
Gotta love how folks who don't even listen to music will repeat tropes they don't understand nor do they care to. I WAnnA FIT IN TOoo!
@@chuch541 are you talking about me?
I have spent s solid ten minutes just going through the comments laughing my ass off. Gold mine of comedy guys keep up the good work
Me too. 😂😎
billy sent me to remind you to thank him
Pretty funny stuff 😂
Same ! Billy text me that he wrote them all!
@@Egg-88 not really if you think about it this is all stereotypical b******* comedy nothing of the caliber of say a Norm Macdonald but I'll have to agree it's definitely amateur hour when it comes to pumpkin haters. But I'm sure it's more like just Billy haters.. lol
“When I gave birth to Kurt Cobain, and raised him as a single mother, I taught him everything he knows.”
-Billy Corgan
I’m so glad Billy Corgan invented iPads so I can watch this video and comment on it. Inspirational.
When Hendrix came up with little wing, billy went back in time to tell Hendrix it was his idea.
Well no bully did come up with it, he taught jimi how to play the guitar
Hey Jimmy it’s your cousin Marvin. Marvin Hendrix?? You know that new sound you’ve been looking for?
😂😂😂 the Comment I was looking for 😂😂
@@degrassi420 Marvin Berry called Chuck in BTTF.
@@mneri84 yea i know that’s what i was referencing
Yeah Kurt actually saying he was worried it might be considered a Pixies ripoff, and was from their influence, was wrong, He meant Smashing Pumpkins. Billy will set ya straight...
The Pixies must have ripped off Billy too 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@mikenodine6713 Ya beat me to it...
Everyone has borrowed from peers and influences forever. I met Billy in '95 and he was a total gentleman.
@MThyne-oz2zu How dare you humanize him?! 🤣
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I know when I heard Nirvana for the first time I said "they stole that from Billy Coriggan"
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These comments are gold. 😂🤣😂🤦♂️
He’s talking about the tone and the way it’s layered not Nirvanas music itself Guess it’s hard to understand if you’ve never picked up a guitar before. 😂
@@heavymetal_cutting_fabrication I've picked up more guitars than you have picked up dudes.
@@heavymetal_cutting_fabricationExactly right well said. There's a punk band called the meatmen, and they used the teen spirit riff to write a song called we hate this riff, because that riff was the chesseiest most ripped off riff. It was so cheesy that even Nirvana started to hated it.
You misspelled bilee 😁
Marcus Areilieus' meditations were notes from his talks with Billy.
that one made me laugh out loud
The whole distortion on guitar was kinda my thing…same for layering multiple guitars, which was unheard of then. Butch’s mustache and glasses were the glue our band needed to really breakout from the rest. And to him I am always grateful that he knew me.
No one had overdubbed guitars playing the same part until this guy
That's because Billy invented the guitar
@@arthurg7894 he invented audio
@@inferiorpatty Nah he created the universe itself
Phil Spector famously asked Billy how to make the wall of sound.
I can’t unsee Bill Burr now
Noor I
Goddammit I thought I was the only one
I thought that's who it was until he started talking
Billy Burrgan
@@ChamberpotCharlieYeah it's actually a thing. Apparently Burr looks more like Corgan senior and Corgans mother things Burr is a love child. Mental!
Kurt only agreed to double track vocals after Butch Vig said that Billy Corgan did it.
I love the sarcasm haha
@@blancemoore except he’s talking about guitar
Billy John
@@somaticaproductions the reference went right over your head.
Yes over dumbing seemed really fake to Kurt, until Butch informed him that John Lennon I'm sorry Billy Corgan also overdubbed and that produce music was all about using the studio and its tools....😅 No total bulshit aside Billy Corgan and Kurt Cobain we're very competitive Billy Corgan was f****** Courtney Love way before Kurt ever met her that in itself created an insane competition dynamic the reason I can't stand Billy Corgan anymore is first his ego secondly his knowledge of exactly what went down between Kurt and Courtney and his head exploding
Thank you Billy Corgan for “Smells Like Teen Spirit”! Also, for ending world hunger and solving pi.
His humility is his greatest strength,
He's always soooo humble! Always!
He covered “Landslide” to fix it. Fleetwood Mac owes him a huge debt of gratitude.
@@apolloomd4939 I mean Stevie Nicks will be the first to admit her songwriting royalties are grateful to Billy, but your point definitely stands.
I never hated a band I liked so much until I heard Billy Corgan in interviews. He’s like the Hulk Hogan of Rock n Roll.
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Easy brother
And his band is nothing without that lady D'arcy
Siamese Dream still one of the best albums ever made. Can’t take that away from him/them.
@last12know30 no it’s not, not even close😂😂😂
Billy is a legend in his own mind!
Don't hate people who believe in themselves....and achieve greatness..
He actually a legend.
That plus pumpkins is classic now.
All jokes and his narcissism aside he is a legend.
Your 💯 pct Correct
This younger generation will never understand how powerful it felt to live in the early ‘90s when albums like this were dropping. Waiting for videos on MTV was a whole vibe that cannot be duplicated. No internet, technology was in its infancy, if you wanted to know what people around the world were doing and “liking” you had to watch TV. MTV was the beginning of The Culture. Pumpkins, STP, Nirvana, second coming of Aerosmith, Sound Garden, Sublime, Blind Melon, Green Day, Warren G, Snoop, Dre, Biggie, Pac, Naughty By Nature, Onyx, Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, and so many more. Helluva time to be alive.
The best time. It changed the world. Music doesn't have that place anymore.
I remember back when Gish came out, an interviewer remarked, "You must be a huge Boston fan," referring to Tom Sholtz's layered guitars, which Billy clearly emulated. Corgan just blushed and said, "I don't change the station when they come on."
Smells Like Envy
Envy what? A dead man?
Why would he envy Cobain?
Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie are better than any Nirvana albums.
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if anything this clip seems egocentric if you wanna look at it that way
Is he wrong ? Corgan was in the studio with Butch working on guitar tones and recording well before Kurt was.
@@cjanowsk because nirvana got the spotlight he believed should of gone to his band.
I’m pretty sure Butch Vig suggested that they double track vocals and guitars and only got Kurt to agree when he said that Lennon did it.
This. Although he’s talking about Vig he should be conscious enough to not try and seem like nirvana ripped him off in any way. This is a dick move and probably the reason he wanted to go on Beato’s show.
@@SpringerOwlno way he would go on the show just to say that.
Think that was about vocals
Yeah, flr the guitars he just lied and said the take didnt work. @mr.blueberry9788
…..Billy’s also the dude that Courtney “thought about” cheating on Kurt with. soooo….technically, he could take credit for the Rome incident, that led to Kurt’s death. I mean, since we’re giving credit, where credit is due an all Biiiiilly.
billy is the dave mustaine of grunge.
So he invented grunge?
Exactly lol
lol couldn’t have put it better
Except far less talented and much more egotistical 😂
@Reverendld lol you don't know how talented Billy is 😂😂😂
Kurt would only double-track because he was told John Lennon had done it. What Kurt didn't know is that Billy convinced John Lennon to do it in the first place.
Gold 😂
“Quiet” saved my life when I was 15. I cannot thank Billy Corgan enough. “Be ashamed of the mess you’ve made” Was the line that made me bawl out crying and it made me feel emotions and it kept me going. Thank you to The Smashing Pumpkins. ❤️
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My humility is astonishing.
"Me too, I'm extremely humble!"
I don't recall anyone making that connection back then.
Yeah, he’s buggin’.
The guys in Nirvana did. There's interviews with members of Nirvana where they tell us how they reacted when they first heard the mix on Nevermind. They did not have a positive reaction to the guitar sound. What they heard in the mix was not what they expected. Butch had to trick Kurt into playing loads of takes. Kurt didn't know how Butch would use all those takes.
No, Corgan isn't claiming that he invented guitar layering. But his very specific way of layering guitars was unique, and Kurt had no real influence on how Butch would mix Nevermind.
@jorgenhallang3871 by anyone, I was referring to my peers and the music press.
@@SD_Marcyeah I dont think most people would notice at the time. The vast majority of people that heard Nevermind had probably not heard Gish. And even if some noticed, without all the info that we have available to us now (like these interviews) I don't think there would have been a forum of discussion about it.
Not to mention that the vast majority of listeners are not guitar players or producers who even notices similarities in recording productions.
He also said collective soul ripped off his sound, which is bullshit as well.
David Fincher didn't know what would be the end of fight club until Billy told him how it should end
Lol I like to imagine David just made the entire movie, foreshadowing the twist and everything, but didn't actually know it existed until Billy strolled into the studio one day
Billy knew. He read the book first.
1st rule of fight club is nobody talks about fight club unless you happen to be Billy😮
Billy was the one who told Brian Wilson Smile wasnt ready
We should give some credit to Billy ...he did such a great job on Teen spirit and is not even mentioned in it😊
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I honestly wish I’d never learned who Billy Corgan is as a person. It’s changed my enjoyment of The Pumpkins
Same. I always love the band but ugh, Corgan is so awful. The worst.
Same.
I love Billy.
He is terrible
@MetalSlug-ev5wu Oh come on, it's not like he's Puff Daddy or R Kelly. He's a prick sometimes, but talented people often are full of themselves, you almost have to be to make it that far in the business.
I like how Corgan used the phrase hair pulling.
tbf he had quite a lot at the time 😂
@@charlie172011he invented invisible hair, didnt you hear..
Humble yourself Bill.
The thing is he did. This is him editing himself for an audience to be a humbler version of himself
Billy Corgan is the most humble person that Billy Corgan knows, ok?
Billy Corrigan invented humility.
Billy invented layered humility.
@thedevilsadvocate5210 The fact you split that into two comments 😂, nice touch
I love how kurt lives rent free in billys head forever
We would have never had the Beatles had it not been for Billy Corgan.
Billy Corgan had a dream nirvana released nevermind as a young man in 1988. Imagine his surprise when he learned his dreams had the ability to become what would occur in reality itself. First, he had to find a way to endow kurt cobain with the musical talent and ability so the people at large could benefit from Corgan's vision. A noble gesture to allow others the glory and spectacle while you silently and thanklessly make it all possible.
He forgot to endow himself with hair in his vision . Just to be humble
Oh Billy why u always lying 🪗
😅 Great !
I swear every time I try to like Billy more he just makes it harder.
I never liked him or Pumpkins. I liked virtually every other band in that genre/era, just couldn't get into them.
I remember when Corrigan invented flight, man it was good times
This made me laugh so hard, I couldn’t hit the like button for a fat minute
Ah yes, it is shown in his documentary "Tonight, Tonight"
It’s good to see Billy has stayed as humble as he’s always been.😂
People clown on Billy Corgan but he’s 100% right here
Dude you guys are fucking legends and made it already twice over so relax billy and enjoy the rest of your life
Poor Billy. Thank God no one ripped off your “vocal” sound.
*Chino Moreno walks in*
Poor Billy?YOU are the poor guy here
@MaisonDuBléPadaria 😂
@@MaisonDuBléPadariapoor Billy, I have more money than him
@jajajajajajajai You have tens of millions of dollars. Sure ya do.
James & Lars have been quoted as saying the inspiration for the Black album came from Billy & is intellectual guitar sounds.
"We couldn't have done it without you, Billy Corgan!"
- Neil Armstrong
"This is one step for man and a giant step for Billy Corgan."
Anyone called Billy copied Billy Corgan’s name. But he’s okay with it because he knows it’s their way of respecting what he’s done
⛓️ ALICE IN CHAINS ⛓️
WAS AND IS BETTER THEN ALL THE GRUNGE BANDS & I LOVE THEM ALL
We have to admit that’s the reason we started listening to Beato, and where beato got his fame - analyzing AIC songs
I still prefer STP and King's X, but enjoy AIC also.
I never got them. Everything they do seemed meandering. Not by any means judging people who like them or saying they aren't good, they have a unique sound. It just doesn't appeal to me for some reason I can't put my finger on.
Alice In Chains was definitely the most musically/instrumentally gifted/talented of the bunch IMO. And I was obsessed with all the big hitters, but I grew up listening to AIC. I remember always needing to fall asleep to Jar of Flies when I was 7-ish.
AIC was the 2nd coming of Black Sabbath to my ears.
"It's not that I wanna take credit". Sure about that Billy?
Thank god I was in high school during the time there albums came out. It must have been like listening to Elvis for the first time to a kid in the 1950s. Nevermind was released and everything changed
9th grade for me. Love at first sound.
We were present to witness a whole new genre of music be created. And Billy started it
I can't stand Nirvana. Kurt whining about everything. I can honestly say they wouldn't stop playing them everywhere. I'm so glad they aren't big anymore.
I hated them until I put down my Black Sheep A wolf in sheep's clothing cassette. And really gave Come as you are a good listen
Or high in school
I could listen to him talk for hours as he's such a good story teller.
Chuck Norris is the Billy Corgan of martial arts.
Yeah, and Billy Corgan is the Steven Seagal of grunge….
All jokes aside the transition from I Am One to Mayonaise was clean
Soundgarden has entered the chat.😎
FACTS!
He's talking about the production aspects that shaped the sound. Not the style of guitar playing.
@pixelcultmedia4252 I've worked with Corgan. He believes he invented the 90s sound and that everyone has plagiarized him. He's said as much, in my presence, many times.
@@theoriginalmattmanI don't believe you
@Cheff-oc4wu Choose ignorance. I dgaf.
When Billy met Marvin Berry!
Kurt & Billy were our heart & soul as teens in the 1990’s. Couldn’t be prouder of Billy today. ❤🫶🏼❤️
One of the best clips from ANY Rick interview. Just brilliant!
Siamese Dream is one my top no-skip albums ever.
One of the greatest records ever, no doubt. Might be my fav rock record with In Rainbows
“‘Siamese Dream’ is one of my top no-skip albums ever.” - Billy Corgan
There. Fixed that for you.
@@FamiliyLibraryRoom haha ur so funny and original. I doubt you even listen to the smashing pumpkins, billy corgan is actually a really influential musician. And hes also not even close to as much of a bad guy these comments make him out to be.
@@FamiliyLibraryRoom😅 Indeed...
I love the Smashing Pumpkins but Corgan makes it’s so hard sometimes. Nirvana “borrowed” from many bands and songs like…
Boston’s More Than A Feeling
Killing Joke’s Eighties
Gap Band’s Burn Rubber
The Beatles
Cameo
I just don’t think of The Smashing Pumpkins when I’m listening to Nirvana. They are both two of my favorite bands but they sound completely different to me
I think Billy was only on about the way butch layered the guitars, but even then I'm not sure that Billy was the first person to layer distorted guitars in the studio
@@AD-BC-84He's not even remotely close to the first person to layer tracks. Not even close. He's just super pissed off a dead man will be forever more famous then he is.
A lot of bands/publications were citing the Smashing Pumpkins guitar sound in the 90’s. Corgan often sounds arrogant, but like a lot of times he might be right here… though saying that the sound inspired then would be better than to say they stole it…
He’s definitely arrogant, but his guitar tone is basically as good as it gets. Heavily distorted guitars never sounded better.
@@jon8004for sure, mastering the dynamics of an oversaturated fuzz (and the rest) isn’t for the light-hearted!
The Gilmore of dynamics 😂
He is arrogant but he is definitely truthful. He could brag about way more about all the Nirvana stuff he knows about or was involved with, than he does. He dated Courtney before, during and after. - I suspect he is saving it for a book.
He's not saying Kurt or Nirvana stole his guitar sound, but that Butch Vig stole it (and did it just after producing the Pumpkins, so yeah, it pans out). He's talking about a production sound, not a live performance one.
@terrencebucker exactly. I think quite a few people are missing that part
SP is awesome too!!! Magical lead vocals and sound! ❤
Pumpkins' and Billy's output was just massive. So many great songs. One of the top bands of their era. Nirvana sound is more stripped down, while Pumpkins' can often be more lush. Both are great.
Why is everyone dumping on Billy? His records were amazing. Easily as good as the other artist in question, catalogue wise.
Because thirty years after his death, Billy is still jealous of Kurt for a record he made nearly 35 years ago.
@ I don’t think he is.
@@35milesoflead Billy is insufferable but he said that Kurt was the most talented person in 'our class'. That does not reek of jealousy.
The joke is that it sounds like he’s trying to take credit for nirvanas success.
Corgan is the most humble human being to have ever lived.
Billy Corgan becomes Bully Corgan. Hes genuinely a great dude.
Billy should put on his bucket list overcoming his ego
I keep thinking he’s close but when I check in it’s grown even bigger .
Save some space for the rest of us, Billy
Billy was who the based Michael J Fox's character on since Billy built a time machine and created Chuck Berry and Van Halen all whilst having a disappearing hand.
You could argue Corgan was as talented as Cobain, but it definitely eats him up that he didnt transcend the genre like Kurt did.
It's about even in songwriting, although his songs on Live Though This might give Kurt the slight edge. Billy was a WAY better guitar player. Kurt (and Courtney, hah!) had the pure rock and roll voice, and that's the ballgame. Billy's sneering nasality would forever limit his appeal. OTOH, and God is empty just like ... ME!
@aquamarine99911 yeah that's a fair point. I was critiquing the songs, but Kurt's voice is definitely a level above.
He became suicidal over it for a period of time.
More talented? Cobain? Are you serious? Billy has wayyyyy more talent across the board. Every level of music. Kurt was a drug addict that Love got her claws into. The best thing for Billy ever was her leaving.
@mickeyknox9341 Chill out little guy it's not that serious. You come across as a bozo with high blood pressure. Let it go, guy.
Teen Spirit Riff is mostly the same as, More than a Feeling, by Boston. So is the sweater song, Weezer
It really isn't, no matter what Kurt said. Only the first two chords of the progression are the same (but in different keys), the rhythm is perhaps reminiscent, but, no, they don't really sound anything alike.
@@pulykamellExactly. Aside from them being a simple 4 power chords progression, they're not alike at all.
And Boston was inspired from a band before them, and so on, forever. All music is derivative.
@steveijams8475 Humbly disagree, my ears think Green Day's When I Come Around ripped off More Than A Feeling.
Lol!!! That’s hilarious!
"It's not that I want to take credit, it's that I HAVE take credit"
He's the nicest guy he knows.
😅
2 years later, Siamese Dream came out. Gish came out a few months before Nevermind.
Pumpkins = one of the best bands of the 90s also ever . Siamese Dream and infinite sadness are such awesome albums - directed and written by Billy.
Just no.
Melancholy was hot Garbage.
Absolutely man, Siamese dream alone is a near perfect album, sonically and artistically
@@aldogg187most of the world, fans and critics alike, disagree with you 😂 but I imagine ur music is better bud
And Gish
I waited on Butch Vig all the time in Madison. Which means I wrote those riffs.
I'm so grateful Billy invented sound waves
People hating on Billy for what? Just because Nirvana had a different sound doesn't mean they didn't use similar techniques to achieve the sound. Music production is about nuance. Billy is not hating, he is highlighting a commonality between the two groups and expressing appreciation for the producer who helped create two timeless albums for both bands.
Because he's known to have a huge ego, I think people's minds immediately go to that with anything he says.
Because he's literally saying Nirvana ripped off his sound.
Hey everyone we have a billy fanclub member in the room lol
For never being able to give someone props without backhanded complimenting them and making it about himself.
Pretty simple. Billy's ego makes him insufferable to a lot of people.
He's saying Vig ripped off his sound. But layering guitars had been done for decades prior .
Siamese Dream is the album of the 90s for me. There are so many great ones, but that's the one that changed it for me.
Then you definitely got beat up a lot. You're the reason, the 90s lead to the filthy gay 2000s.
You were five relax
I listen to SD pretty often to this day. I don’t even remember the last time I listened to Nevermind 😂. Maybe 10-15 years ago?
Agree. Nirvana woke people up. It was a key that unlocked most people's awareness but there were other great bands that had been around longer and worked longer. Put out more material. Nirvana was influential but the were the shortest existing band, pumpkins, Sound garden have had way more prolonged sucess. I think Foofighters are a bigger band than Nirvana. Pumpkins put out 2 masterpieces in my opinion and one was a Double album. Nirvana reminded people that actual Rock music/punk existed after 80s corporate crap. That why Nirvana was so huge.
@@Thisisrance100 correct I was going to Siamese dream at least once a year and if I'm drinking I might even cry during summer or mayonnaise
I don’t care when anybody says I was about 12 years old when I discovered both of these records and they are equally the masterpieces of my childhood
The same for me!
Props to Billy for coming up with dividing sound into pitches, then connecting them rhythmically in time to create melody and stacking them together to invent harmony.
Homer Simpson, Smiling Politely 🤝
Siamese Dream is still one of my favorite albums of all time. A real joy to hear.
Yes Billy, we know.
It's one of my favorites too, excluding Tool, it probably is my favorite. Because of that album, and only that album, I won't speak bad of Billy, even though he makes it easy to do.
Same. Billy is something else for sure. But the pumpkins made one of those albums that will always be one of those once in a generation albums. @rickcampbell6409
It's amazing how many once-in-a-generation records have been released in my lifetime.
How many? I'm talking records that complete start an entire new genre of music and the landscape of the audience
@@TechTokOffical You just moved the goal posts. Nowhere in the video does it specifically say albums that started a new genre. Besides, most genres start before the first album of it is released.
Like Billy is the originator of layered guitars. 😂
Exactly, Jimmy Page called and said wtf 😂
Led Zeppelin, Houses of the Holy. Never so many layered guitars in rock history.
I was in a tiny band in the early 90s and even we were layering guitars
the lack of eye contact is what makes this funny
The Holy Trinity of Rock.
Billy Corgan
Billy Corgan and
Billy Corgan
😅
Gish is one of the best albums I heard in the 90's . Even now looking back it still rocks!
Hell yeah Gish is a super great record!
Yup, I still listen to it regularly
Yes. Gish is awesome.
He’s layering b.s. currently
😂
I think Nirvana was just in the right time and right place. IMO there were better bands in the Seattle area. They were very good but no better than others.
Agreed. Mudhoney were always my favorite.
Billy is the most humblest guy he knows
I can only dream of being this humble.
Billy is a legend and one of my favorite guitarists of that era and i love him acknowledging that kurt was the most talented of all of them.
he's been playing some coffee shop gigs on acoustic . it's on youtube somewhere ☝️
@jesusislukeskywalker4294 that would be a cool gig to see
There's only one Beatles Ed Sullivan moment, and...
There's only one *Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit,* _first time hearing it moment!_
I still vividly remember when I first heard it.
It was soon after its release in 1991. I was 27 years old at the time... driving in my truck, headed toward *Springfield Massachusetts* and listening to Springfield Massachusetts radio station *WAQY: ROCK 102 FM.*
_It was just as I was rounding the bend on the entrance ramp_ to *Route 91 North,* from *Route 5 North* in Enfield Connecticut. Suddenly, on my *_VERY LOUD,_* 6-speaker, car stereo system... I heard that opening, crunchy guitar riff followed by those thundering drums and...
*RIGHT AWAY! **_I WAS HOOKED!_*
I thought to myself, *_WHAT IS THIS?!_** ...just... WOW!!*
IMPOSSIBLE to forget that moment!
Awesome!
Nice memory! I was 11, it was 1am. My Dad was driving us home from netting smelt off of Cayuga lake. When that song kicked in I asked him "Is this classic rock?". He answered with a laugh, "I don't think so!". Lmao. Love that memory, and love my Dad ❤.
@dropclutch1
Ha Ha!
No, it's not classic rock... *_yet!_*
I was 12...
I was already into punk and indie stuff like the pixies, so it wasn't completely mindblowing or anything, but it was GOOD. I loved it immediately and have ever since. Nirvana remains a top 10 band for me
I was 15, i watch the video on mtv and I was thinling.... Why so much hype for this song.... Enter Sandman sounds much much better... In deed Lithium was the song that catch me into Nirvanas music....