EDH Insurance Policies | EDHRECast 318
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
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March of Swirling Mists is one of the best cards in all of my blue decks. It can protect my board and/or hinder my opponents for a round of the table. Fantastic insurance.
These jokes need to be put to bed
One of my favorite insurance policies that I try to drop into every deck I can is Luminous Broodmoth. The deck where it gets really nutty is Tayam, Luminous Enigma because Tayam can remove the flying counters to start recurring things over and over again
Nightmare Shepherd is another great effect that is very similar to Broodmoth, and is in black instead!
I always felt like Grim Haruspex drawing you cards was a positive thing, so from now on i will refer to it as Optimistic Haruspex.
A couple of my favorites are Greater Good and Momentous Fall in my G Omnath deck as a way to make sure I can refill my hand in the process and rebuild my board.
Greater Good remains in my top five cards ever!
I have started to run a ton of Phasing cards as well as cards like Ghostaway because of how much targeted removal and board wipes players use now. Theybsave me from targeted removal and they turn my opponents' board wipes into one sided board wipes that set me up for an amazing turn that they cleared the way for me.
Ghostaway is incredible
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As the resident Anim Pikal simp in my pod, I can assure you, Arby is a win button. Absolutely great challenge.
Skullspore nexus is a good insurance card. I use it for my hogaak deck where I can sac hogaak to get a dino hogaak replacement and spam extras. But also I get a giant token if you dare to board wipe while it's out.
If you're not running with angels, Glorious Protector is criminally underrated as a budget insurance policy option imo. And you get the flexibility of a flying body to boot.
Batwing Brume is the gold standard for fog effects for me, floor it’s a fog, ceiling it wins games! I Emrakul Promised End’ed a player (took control of his turn), made him swing out at me, I cast Batwing Brume and killed him, I had no other line available!🙌
I love Afterlife Insurance and Cauldron Haze in my Teysa Karlov deck. Afterlife Insurance is cheap to cast, draws a card, and gives all your creatures, token or otherwise, Afterlife 1, or essentially Afterlife 2 if Teysa is on board. It can also be used proactively if you have a sac outlet out and a bunch of creatures you want to sac. Cauldron Haze is also cheap to cast and gives everything Persist. So your bigger stuff will come back and stay and your smaller creatures will die twice, which you probably wanted to happen anyway.
I've noticed not a lot of people talk about Dark Prophecy. I love running it in a deck that kills its own stuff, like yes the life loss is only 1 but most of the time you gain it back and it's an enchantment so it's often sitting around a lot longer than most creatures do.
The new insurance policy card I am trying in Teysa, Opulent Oligarch is Afterlife Insurance. It seems like a great way to have a board state after a board wipe as well as a way to double the number of creatures I have to sacrifice to Blood artist effects.
so good!
On Jarvis Johnson’s podcast he was talking about how he sometimes feels guilt for leaving his co-host Jordan out of the thumbnail, but it’s done because thumbnails with just Jarvis perform best and ultimately that’s what’s best for everyone on their team.
Now I look at this video and wonder: do Matt thumbnails perform best?
A really fun insurance card is Fanatical Devotion, letting you sacrifice creatures to give other creatures Regenerate.
I aptly run Afterlife Insurance in my Orzhov Aristocrats deck. I run 5 pieces of protection in that deck, and will be swapping two pieces here soon with some better advantage for that deck (T-pro and Ink Shield)
Effects like Promise of Tomorrow or Gerrard are my favorite kind of insurance
Thank you for advocating the use of march of the hobgoblins. One of my personal favorites.
I love the “Uno Reverse Card” type of effects the most. I’m even making a Jeskai Narset deck starring Narset Enlightened Exile as it’s Commander and including Narset’s Reversal, Deflecting Palm, and the new Return The Favor as some of my favorite cards in the deck. I call the deck “Stop Hitting Yourself.”
I also love this play style, which Sheldon created with his signature "You did this to yourself" deck. His deck was also Jeskai, with Ruhan of the Fomori, but do check out the aikido archetype which has a lot of variety.
From the more political ones like Breena in Orzhov, to the ones focused on goading like Karazikar in Rakdos or Nelly Borca in Boros, or the more generalist ones like Queen Marchesa in Mardu, there is a wide range of choice and I'd recommend it to any player who wants to try something different!
For budget decks with white in them, Revivify has a solid Thrilling Encore like effect for 2 less mana with the caveat of having a little bit of luck involved.
I have it in my Pantlaza deck so there's extra salt in the wound with the Discover trigger (if I'm lucky).
I have a stompy trees deck (Doran, The Siege Tower) and casting Eerie Ultimatum after a board wipe tickles a part of my brain.
I had a Crowded Crypt give me enough zombies to Scry 21 with The Scarab God
Dammit, my record was 20!
I did get The Scarab God to a 25/25 with an Astarion's Thirst on a Marit Lage token, that was pretty memorable 🍻
So hyped to be in the challenge this week. That game was fun, and I lost HARD
I'm a fan of Eerie Interlude and Ghostway as budget options. I also like Long Road Home and Otherworldly Journey to protect my commander. Kaya's Ghostform is another favorite to protect a commander or other key creature because it protects against exile effects.
My fatal flaw as a player is overextending. I've gotten better about it over the years, but I just love running out all my stuff asap.
I have a Gylwain deck that I think of as being "me-proof": I run lots of "insurance cards" (Clever Concealment-style spells and Selfless Spirit-style creatures) to make it less catastrophic for me if the board gets wiped.
I know that that's a weird deckbuilding strategy--building a deck to compensate for my weaknesses as a player--but, really, we put cards in decks to shore up weaknesses in the deck; why not also put in cards that shore up our weaknesses as players?
I really enjoy Dogmeat because it is very resilient against over extension. His junk token generation allows you to play with impulse draws and keep a full grip of cards in hand if there’s a board wipe.
Galadriels dismissal is so good! It’s player removal, it’s board wipe dodging, depending on board state it can simplify your attack plan by allowing to send tramplers at other oppents while still getting in with your other creatures.
I'm surprised you guys didn't talk more about generic fogs in general. You mentioned inkshield, my favorite is arachnogenesis, because the spiders can kill the attackers.
I feel like fogs are not just a great way to keep yourself from taking damage, but even more than that, they are a great way to protect your board when you swing out, and someone pulls some unexpected combat trick, like giving everything deathtouch or flashing out a bunch of creatures!
Fogs to protect your board in dangerous offensive pushes is just as valuable as on the defense!
Shout out to maze of ith for this reason too!
Maze can protect you from big damage, but can also protect your attackers when they are blocked by dangerous creatures!
I guess that's because fogs aren't traditionally considered insurance so much as protection. I think they can be seen as insurance in the case of swinging out though, good point.
Dawn charm or Mandate of peace are never mentionned anywhere but they are quite good too ! Blessed Respite is also amazing. Flexible fogs are so cool !
I'm a HUGE fan of temporary exile effects. Spells like Eerie Interlude and Lae'zel's Acrobatics, especially in decks with plenty of ETB synergies. I've decked myself more than once in my Arcades Defender tribal deck trying to "dodge" a board wipe. Also, can just be used as card advantage. 😂
Part of this episode is kind of confusing.
Teferi's Protection is broken because on top of saving your board it's also a fog. But Rise of the Dread? Fresh Meat? Thrilling Encore? I'm not saying you have to put Necropotence in every deck but surely there are better ways to recover.
Why would I try to answer a board wipe with a "gotcha" card when I could just play a less situational card that can also be used proactively (Reanimation, Regrowth, and Escape style effects)?
I'm just saying it feels weird to play cards with a high ceilings but a floor of being useless to progressing my gameplan
The card isn't out yet but heres a combo I haven't seen anyone mention and I think should have more attention paid to it - Arna Kennerüd, Skycaptain doubles counters when you attack, so if you have a planeswalker attack, such as a gideon or one equiped with the luxior giada's gift you can double your loyalty counters on a planeswalker with one swing letting you get ultimates out super fast. It can even go infinate if you get a planeswalker with an extra turn mechanic like Teferi or Ichormoon Gauntlet (though if you use the gauntlet and a planeswalker with Giaga's gift you do need to pay the equipcost to unequip the sword in order to -12 your planeswalker to get the extra turn)
Basicly if you have Gideon with Ichormoon/Teferi with the sword/Any planeswalker with the sword and Ichormoon once you get to 12 loyalty you swing with the planeswalker, this doubles your loyalty to at least 24, letting you activate the ability to get an extra turn, where you can swing again, double your counters and repeat. If you have Teferi master of time with the sword you just need 8 loyalty before you hit on your turn which is just one turn cycle in a four player game, (You have 7 loyalty, you attack going to 14, you -10 to get two additonal turns going to 4. Turn 1 you +1 him going to 5 and then attack to 10, turn 2 you attack and go to 20 then -10, you now have an additonal two turns and are at 10 loyalty, when you next attack you go to 20 and are now profiting on turns.)
Phasing is amazing, especially in voltron/aura/equipment decks. March of swirling mists is the cherry on the cake but cards like Reality Ripple or Teferi's Veil have some amazing utility too
Some times its not about protect your stuff, its about punishing the boardwipe tribal player (There is always THAT kind of player in every group). Kamahl, Fist of Krosa can turn opponent lands into creatures destroying their lands in the process...
This here is why I turned my Lathril Elf Ball onto a Lathrill Voltron deck with enchantments (especially the kind that can return) and equipments. It's much easier to rebuild knowing I just need to bring her back out, re-equip, and slew out those elves.
I run Rise of the Hobgoblins in my Tori D’Avenant, Fury Rider deck. Every creature in the deck is Boros and the goblin tokens being created are also red & white. And yes, I do also run Ferrous Rokiric in the deck as well.
Galadriel's Dismissal is AMAZING. It doesn't have more play % cause is expensive and was only printed in Collector Boosters and the Scene Boxes
Stop putting the spotlight on Thrilling Encore! I want my opponents to keep not anticipating end-of-turn Invent to tutor Blasphemous Act and Thrilling Encore in my Grixis decks.
I’m disappointed my favorite insurance policy that I play in every deck elixir on immortality. Great way to get stuff back from the graveyard back into the deck after you use it or it dies and prevent mill. Also graveyard shuffling cards.
Love Batwing Brume (and Inkshield) in my Firja deck! Life Insurance is in there too with a funky combo line using Enduring Renewal and Blood Pet.
My brother and my youngest kid's partner both like to play Mothman (Mill) which is fine except it hurts my Yuma deck so I've put a phoenix and the new Phlage to help me race the mill.
Does anyone else use a commander as insurance? I usually leave Admiral Brass, Unsinkable in the command zone and fearlessly play all the pirates from my hand. When there is a board wipe, then I play Brass and start attacking again right away.
I call them RECOVERY cards. I always include cards in my decks that allow me to recover from a board wipe and etc. They are any card that help me get back in the game.
Loved this episode, I need to rework some of my decks to include Batwing. Can you guys do a episode on decks with the highest density of old cards ? What boomer decks have stayed boomer decks?
Galadriels dismissal is my new favorite for voltron. Easy to keep thenone mana open and just as effective for your voltron commander.
It also works in a pinch for temporary enemy creature removal, and of course can be overloaded.
I love Silence and Grand Abolisher as combo protection insurance riders beyond counterspells to layer the protection. Hard to stop a combo when you literally can’t stop me.
I am surprised that the card Afterlife Insurance wasn't mentioned, it is a newer card but it is very much a good mention. Having the ability to create replacement evasive creatures for the cost of your board is awesome and it'll create some good stories
Ultimate guard keeps coming out with products that outdo their past products. They keep getting boulder and boulder.
Thrilling Encore cards are the best when you don't even need to wait, the opposition just fries at instant speed from multiple stolen combos firing at themselves together
Have you ever decked yourself by making too many scute swarm food golems? (Thanks Brenard)
Three life for one extra mana per spell the one life per creature dying to get a treasure life insurance is good and in white and black the best life gain colors the card can kill you if you suck at using extort
I recently stumbled upon Scapegoat, which I run in my Extus deck.
i also like a reckless style of gameplan, where you play threats that did theyr job in the turn they came so you dont care if theyr still there but if they are its gone hurt just more and more.
what are other dimir insurance policy type of cards except for thrilling encore, crowded crypt, rise of the dread marn?
One thing I think before adding this type of cards I ask "if they don't pull the trigger is this a dead card?"
Why are they calling Batwing Brume "Inkshield at home"? I don't get it.
Elenda the dusk rose is amazing, because the opponents need to order how they get rid of your board or it will cost them
I love these kinds of cards which may say something about me as a player.
As a mono-Red player, I, uhm.....
...Must be nice. ._.;
This is one of my primary thoughts when building any deck.
If this episode is sponsored by an insurance company it’ll be *chef’s kiss*
Was hoping to hear something about the cannibalism leaving a bad taste in your mouth
I've started experimenting with using Slow Flicker effects, like Long Road Home, as spot protection pieces over cards like Tamiyo's Safekeeping, since Slow Flicker will save your creature from both destroy and exile effects, from boardwipes of any kind, and from non-targeted toughness reduction effects (like Massacre Wurm). I think the downside of them being slightly more expensive is made up for by how flexible they are. Sometimes you can even use them aggressively to remove a key creature from your opponents board temporarily.
Also very good if you are using any ETB effetcs. Eerie Interlude and Ghostway are the boardwide versions of this and particularily good with an Eternal Witness or similar: Repeatable protection that can also trigger all your other ETBs every time you use it.
@@christiangreff5764 I'm not yet sold on board-wide ones, because if you use one to dodge a non-symmetrical board wipe, you leave yourself open for attacks. However, they do get around Farewell so that's definitely a point for them.
Is Dana also miffed that Dogged Detective is not actually a Detective?
As someone who swears by Aetherize, I need to get a few more of these cards.
Woo! Dana with the Ig-SNORE!!! one of the G.O.A.T. pun-backs I've heard on this podcast!!
I made the mistake of reading Batwing Brume. EACH player takes the damage.....
...for each attacking creature they control
Life Insurance is pretty nuts IMHO, I bought a copy and have been waiting to use it, but I don't have an Orzhov deck (yet). I have been thinking about building one, maybe someday? It's not quite as easy to trigger as Kothophed, but it's also a lot less likely to kill you.
Personally, I prefer Nightmare Shepherd over Ratadrabik precisely because it exiles. That sounds wrong, but it allows me to more easily use the card with some dice over the power and toughness as the token, keeping the effects in play easily visible. It might be weaker, but it's also simpler to keep track of which is very important in Commander.
Using my protective spells and abilities offensivly in my equipment deck (Boros Charm, Akiri Fearless Voyager) is one of my most effective win conditions.
My first EDH deck ever was Kamahl, Fist of Krosa. I was just interested in big ramp, fo wide, stompy stuff. I always felt really vulnerable to board wipes, but then I realized I can turn my opponent's lands into creatures in response and I now just keep a few mana open and always let people know that board wipes also have the additional text, "as an additional cost to cast this spell, sacrifice lands equal to the amount of green mana I have available."
It doesn't always stop the board wipe, but it sure helps me to be in a good position to be ahead once we all try to rebuild.
o h they finally did a protection vs recusion episode
i would say, another way is to make it a threat to do the Wipe, for example in the the Satya, Akki, Blizzard-Herder and Cards like Copy Shell, which could would simple say, okay, if you guys destroy my Board, it will blow up all of our lands, but i will have still big Creatures because of the Shell
on e of my small little go-to's for my angry jellybean (gruul omnath) is outpost siege choosing dragons. it's only 1 dmg but w/ omnath's 3 dmg on top of it, is just one of my fav's that most people usually only play for the impulse draw w/ khans
The ones I use most are Martyr's Bond and Karmic Justice. I even use Martyr's Bond on my Atla Palanio deck to clean enemy boards while my big creatures are entering the battlefield.
One of my favorite ensurance cards is Kutzil's Flanker, it is so versatile! It is most often to me graveyard hate, but it can be lifegain+scry+trading block (thanks to flash!) but the last mode can come up even outside of blink decks thanks to flashing in a huge body after a board wipe (works around exile effects)
Joey, it looks like you're rocking a Beret.
i like creeping renaissance in my gruul elves deck
I literally just looked up most of these to add to my Gishath deck. This is such perfect timing!
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At least you know one person gives a fuck 🤘🍻
Came here for the dad jokes.
Joey are you excited about the warden soultrader card coming out?
One of my favorites is Cosmic Intervention.
Sensational
Huge fan of Anax hardened in the forge in aggressive decks. A board wipe can translate into a solid board of 1/1’s, and it gives you insurance on all your nontoken attackers if you need to force through damage.
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I haven't heard anyone talking about Key to the Vault but this card is genuinely good. Even if it's a mass accessible bundle promo.
A Jeskai/Raugrin shard that uses Doublestrike will love this unassuming equipment. If anyone doesn't have an efficient block this card can actually cast up to 2 spells for free each turn when equipped. Especially if you can force out the or notice the table without artifact removal.
Key to the Vault can be absolutely absurd on card advantage and honestly I think it's better than or in tandem with Rhystic Study.
In my opinion, if a protection card doesn’t save you from Farewell, it’s not worth running.