So local mutts rule!!!! I've purchased no bees the past 5 years, had no winter loses and great honey production. I only do walkaway splits and love to keep things simple. Thanks for all you do for beekeeping!!!
Thank you Dr Peck. I enjoyed your talk, especially to you referencing the WBKA article. The traits of the black bees here, WBKA location, are the remnants of Apis Mellifera Mellifera X mutts and are cranky, swarmy and result in low honey yields and are not desirable.Sure they survive as small mean stock and that's they're "survival edge" 😂😂😂, see Brother Adam. These wild swarmy bees are collected and hived by many who desire to become a beekeeper. They're often found in abandoned hives where their temperament chased their "owners" away. 😂😂😂 Ceredigion Beekeeper
How important are drones in genotype-environment interactions? Even those drones from outside colonies or queens? Are the most locally adapted drones more likely to succeed in mating from local colonies obtained as outside queens and packages?
The drones are some of the most important players in the mating schema. Locally, the more locally adapted selection occurring - the more locally superior the drone pool genetics become. This is not an overnight process, but a series of generations in which this occurs only increases fitness - not decrease.
Fascinating Talk. 👍 Guess I have Local Mutt Bees. That have come through several Winters, with no problem, here in Scotland 🏴 Any time I have Re-Queened from Bee Breeders from elsewhere in the UK. These Colonies have either : Superceded these brought in Queens. Or they have failed over winter. (Aka become a Dead Out !) Due to the above. Or their Genetics cannot survive well in our Colder, Wetter conditions. Instead : Making New Colonies each Spring, from the Surviving Stock, has worked for me. . . Guess I continue having "Mutt Bees." And know Mutts do well here. Some say. . . Keep it Local, stupid. . . 🤭 Certainly Free Bees ! Unless you have to Buy More : Nuc Boxes, their associated Frames, the Foundation Sheets the Storage Space all this requires. And the next Gadget the Bee Store 'shows you' you must need ! Mutts can become Costly, no matter their 'priceless' qualities. I'll let myself out. 😎 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝 Happy Beekeeping 2024 🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝 Lucky to be in a Locality that has a high number of AMM (Native Black Bee) in the surrounding Environment. Plenty of Drones out there, as each Bee Season, any Split of a Colony made, gets headed by a great AMM Mutt Queen ! Also helps that a well known Bee Farm in our District, now in its 70th Year, has & continues to use 'Black Bees' in its workings : when many other 'Beekeepers' said you must bring in : Buckfast, Italian, Carniolan Bee Strains in order to have 'well natured Bee' and have large volumes of Honey. If these 'Strains of Bees' don't survive each winter. . . There's nothing to work with either on 'Nature or Volume.' 🙄 Did try having Queens brought in (Shipped) from the South of the UK. Only x300 Miles away, but that could be like the other side of the US. Been there, done that. Failure. So keep all my Bees and their Genetics 'Local.' Win, win. 😉
Yes ! Kind of. . . Mind you back in the '80's we had low Temps of -22C (-7F) Edinburgh was a bit like 'Siberia' out in the Cold ! 🤭 Nowdays us Rural Folk in the Scottish Borders might get a 'Frost' every so often. Snows 🌨 properly maybe once or twice a Decade. It's warming up, but not 'Califonian' yet. 😎
Fantastic talk, fun and educational. The start talking about cats was hilarious. Am going to have to watch a couple of more times as there is a lot of information.
I would say that the extremes would matter. I personally love the local stock crossed instrumentally inseminated with high honey production stock, docile and high hygienic stock. I dont like either local stock or commercial stock - after a few generations open mating the commercial stock is ok but still suffers unlike the locally adapted switch up opposite but it also has its downside like more variable temperament.
My argument for is "local" better. Canada gets around 75% of its queens from hawaii. Thats about as extreme opposite as you can get. Flordia to maine, probably dont matter much.
Queen quality from commercial suppliers leaves a lot to be desired. Have a look at doug sommervilles research on queen acceptance and supercedure rates - they can have them banked etc etc which reduces viability also, you generally pay more for better quality is what i have found. I see a big difference ind the results I get from people with best practice queen rearing as opposed to those with cheap mass produced queens with low or no quality control.
So local mutts rule!!!! I've purchased no bees the past 5 years, had no winter loses and great honey production. I only do walkaway splits and love to keep things simple. Thanks for all you do for beekeeping!!!
Excellent to hear about your success!😁
True beekeeper.
You got the right strategy
Thank you Dr Peck. I enjoyed your talk, especially to you referencing the WBKA article.
The traits of the black bees here, WBKA location, are the remnants of Apis Mellifera Mellifera X mutts and are cranky, swarmy and result in low honey yields and are not desirable.Sure they survive as small mean stock and that's they're "survival edge" 😂😂😂, see Brother Adam.
These wild swarmy bees are collected and hived by many who desire to become a beekeeper. They're often found in abandoned hives where their temperament chased their "owners" away. 😂😂😂
Ceredigion Beekeeper
How important are drones in genotype-environment interactions? Even those drones from outside colonies or queens? Are the most locally adapted drones more likely to succeed in mating from local colonies obtained as outside queens and packages?
The drones are some of the most important players in the mating schema. Locally, the more locally adapted selection occurring - the more locally superior the drone pool genetics become. This is not an overnight process, but a series of generations in which this occurs only increases fitness - not decrease.
Fantastic!
We thought so!
Fascinating Talk. 👍
Guess I have Local Mutt Bees. That have come through several Winters, with no problem, here in Scotland 🏴
Any time I have Re-Queened from Bee Breeders from elsewhere in the UK. These Colonies have either : Superceded these brought in Queens.
Or they have failed over winter. (Aka become a Dead Out !) Due to the above. Or their Genetics cannot survive well in our Colder, Wetter conditions.
Instead :
Making New Colonies each Spring, from the Surviving Stock, has worked for me. . .
Guess I continue having "Mutt Bees." And know Mutts do well here. Some say. . .
Keep it Local, stupid. . . 🤭
Certainly Free Bees !
Unless you have to Buy More :
Nuc Boxes, their associated Frames, the Foundation Sheets the Storage Space all this requires.
And the next Gadget the Bee Store 'shows you' you must need !
Mutts can become Costly, no matter their 'priceless' qualities. I'll let myself out. 😎
🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
Happy Beekeeping 2024
🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝
Lucky to be in a Locality that has a high number of AMM
(Native Black Bee) in the surrounding Environment.
Plenty of Drones out there, as each Bee Season, any Split of a Colony made, gets headed by a great AMM Mutt Queen !
Also helps that a well known Bee Farm in our District, now in its 70th Year, has & continues to use 'Black Bees' in its workings : when many other 'Beekeepers' said you must bring in : Buckfast, Italian, Carniolan Bee Strains in order to have 'well natured Bee' and have large volumes of Honey.
If these 'Strains of Bees' don't survive each winter. . . There's nothing to work with either on 'Nature or Volume.' 🙄
Did try having Queens brought in (Shipped) from the South of the UK. Only x300 Miles away, but that could be like the other side of the US.
Been there, done that. Failure.
So keep all my Bees and their Genetics 'Local.' Win, win. 😉
You have winters in Scotland? Lol, sorry couldn't resist. Glad your mutts are working for you!
Yes ! Kind of. . . Mind you back in the '80's we had low Temps of -22C (-7F) Edinburgh was a bit like 'Siberia' out in the Cold ! 🤭 Nowdays us Rural Folk in the Scottish Borders might get a 'Frost' every so often. Snows 🌨 properly maybe once or twice a Decade. It's warming up, but not 'Califonian' yet. 😎
@@MinnesotaBeekeeper 😅
Fantastic talk, fun and educational.
The start talking about cats was hilarious.
Am going to have to watch a couple of more times as there is a lot of information.
It sure was!
Your a smart dude I like your work 👍🏾
We think he is swell!
I would say that the extremes would matter. I personally love the local stock crossed instrumentally inseminated with high honey production stock, docile and high hygienic stock. I dont like either local stock or commercial stock - after a few generations open mating the commercial stock is ok but still suffers unlike the locally adapted switch up opposite but it also has its downside like more variable temperament.
My argument for is "local" better. Canada gets around 75% of its queens from hawaii. Thats about as extreme opposite as you can get.
Flordia to maine, probably dont matter much.
Thanks David. All the more reason to raise your own queens?
100%
I've had all non local queens being superceded almost straight away.
Some breeds will flat out reject queens of another breed. We saw a lot of that this year.
Amazing how picky they can be eh?
Queen quality from commercial suppliers leaves a lot to be desired. Have a look at doug sommervilles research on queen acceptance and supercedure rates - they can have them banked etc etc which reduces viability also, you generally pay more for better quality is what i have found. I see a big difference ind the results I get from people with best practice queen rearing as opposed to those with cheap mass produced queens with low or no quality control.
invasive breeds are a real thing, wouldnt be surprised its a factor in the decline of bee populations
Elaborate please.
@@shanepasha6501 yes - this is a rather obscure comment.
how is it obscure. a breed of a breed of a breed leads to a new species. I don't need to elaborate further, everyone knows about invasive species
@@user00404honeybees are an invasive species.... is that what you mean?