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It was so interesting, guys! Thank you for this! I wish we could all speak Latin as easily as Luke, it is so beautiful to hear him! I am Spanish and I speak also English, French, some German, and I am currently learning Italian (I follow Davide’s channel). Sadly, I have studied only 1 year of Latin in high school, but I really loved it. Unfortunately we had to learn everything by memory, because it is difficult and it was only the basics. I usually nailed it and people asked me how I could memorize everything. The truth is that I made songs with the declinations and the verbs and I imagined a different journey, ( as it was a music video visiting a village, a countryside, etc.), then each part had a particular place and a sound associated. I still remember some parts! While living abroad it was a bit frustrating to speak English with people whose maternal language was a Romance one, so we sometimes spoke our own language and try to understand each other. It was fun to check how much we could understand and at the end I am trying to learn them all! Latin is definitely on my list! I enjoy so much this channel :) ! And I agree that Rome is a wonderful city! I have read and study so much about its history, that the first time I went to the Forum it was like a Disneyland for me, I saw it living in my head and I didn’t want to leave! I wish I could live there one day.
Every single one of my Italian tutors is about to watch this video and get angry, they've all expressed to me the frustration at studying Latin for X amount of years and not being able to construct a single sentence. It really speaks to the efficacy of LLPSI (as well as Davide's outstanding linguistic capacity!)
That's because most "learning" of Latin in Italy is just translation. Translation doesn't teach intuitive language acquisition skills, and is an obstacle to it.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Pretty much all the schools and universities in europe teach latin like that. I am going through the same thing right now and putting in extra effort in order to learn latin like a living language and speak and hear as much of it as I can
@@polyMATHY_Luke I get the impression from following academic classicists that many of them regard the idea of teaching converstional Latin as something of a distraction from the subject. I suspect at least part of the reason is that not many of them actually have fluent Latin. The thing is that studying the literature is both easier and more enjoyable when you can actually speak the language at least to a limited extent. I remember at school being tortured by the difficulties of the Aeneid. It didn't help that the concept of vowel length was only introduced at the beginning of the third year as something we would need to know about to be able to scan poetry. So for the first two years of school Latin we were taught to mispronounce almost everything. It was only decades later when I decided to relearn my almost forgotten Latin purely as a hobby, and eventually tackled Virgil again, that I discovered for myself how wonderful his poetry is and what an unparalleled genius he was. Davide did really well by the way. It's not easy being thrown in at the deep end like that.
@@CrazyChickenFarmer if you havent already check out "getting started with Latin" it is a book written specifically for homeschool and self taught latin. The author William Linney also has a website and youtube page and an app for doing drill's. The RUclips page has Classical and ecclesiastical pronounciation as well as more advanced lessons with homework and reading lists for when you finish the book.
It was a pleasure to make (yet) another video with you, Luke! Clearly my Latin needs some improvement. Howver, it was fascinating for me to realize I can understand you with little difficulty, which means I've had enough comprehensible input (mostly coming from you and Familia Romana haha), and yet - as it's often in the case when one's learning a foreign language - my speaking is pretty bad. In order to speak well you need to speak a lot, as we all know, and in that regard Latin is just like any language!
Immo, laudo te, Davide! Scilicet multum loqui necesse est ut quamcumque linguam discas, sed iam, ut Lucius dicit, bonum gradum es adeptus! Nesciebam te omnino linguam latinam discere. Gaudeo :-)
I studied Latin (the Italian way, only through texts) for 5 years in High School (liceo linguistico) but I'm proud to say I was able to understand your conversation pretty easily. I've watched most of Luke's videos, so I can say I'm accustomed to his way of speaking Latin (sooo clear), but that's the only "training" I recently had. In terms of speaking it myself, I would've had even more difficulties than you with grammar, but at least I would have been able to communicate a bit, somehow.
@Omar beh la mia prof era molto severa, quindi negli anni qualcosa mi è rimasto, come anche un certo interesse che, unito a una predisposizione di base per le lingue, fa sì che mi ricordi molte cose. Ma non dico di poterlo usare bene, solo di potermela cavare (forse).
In English "Grammar School" (called, generally, gymnasium in the continent - secondary school) the boys have this rhyme: Latin is dead As dead as it can be It killed the ancient Romans And now it's killing me (Limerick metre)
I don't think there's anything with his method - he has done very well for someone who has just read Familia Romana. Sometimes the lazy method is the best one.
@@PodcastItaliano the lazy method can really be the best for some of us who want to learn in a slow organic manner, kinda like how you would expect children to learn (at a much slower rate, that is). I speak 7 languages to varying degrees and active learning has helped me only in a couple of ways, mostly just to clear some things up that annoyed me. (Read that as: things my brain would just never get right, without some linguistics read-ups on the topic). Also, that said I am a linguist by profession so my methods might not resemble that of someone who is not interested in my field of studies.
Davide may be a “lazy learner”, but man o man, his English is impressive!!! For a native Italian, he is 100% fluent in English, with a “perfect” American accent!
My favorite Latin teacher told me he was once on holiday somewhere far away and he met a couple, but they had no common language. Except the husband was also a Latin teacher... So, naturally they spoke and joked in Latin. It always amazed me.
Well, it's easier to understand a language than to speak it as we all have a better passive than active understanding of a language. It would be more interesting to see if they can speak it, maybe write in it, generally use it actively.
In Italy all people study the ecclesiastical pronunciation. The firt time I heard Scorpio Matianus speaking Latin, it was very hard because I didn't recognize the words. Now I understand the 85%
Please do - I was a student of Latin at school (despite studying it for 8ys vs the usual 2-5) and can understand pretty much everything of what Luke says. I'm curious to know how 5th graders in the Italian liceo Classico schools handle it!
Una grande differenza fra questa conversazione e diversi testi dell’antichità, e che qui capiamo subito quali sono gli argomenti trattati e possiamo seguire il filo del discorso. Mentre in diversi testi antichi, si tratta di eventi politici o culturali dell’epoca, con allusioni che non conosciamo a pieno e quindi più difficile capire dove vanno a parare.
@@lais9671 viemos pelo mesmo vídeo aparentemente e simplesmente me apaixonei pelo canal, eu amo línguas e o latin é a próxima que quero dominar, viu aquele rolê dele em Pompéia? É a minha meta!
It reminded me an old family story about my grandma's Latin teacher, who brought his son to the Latin class in the medical university, and they started a regular conversation in Latin. The students immediately decided that they must have been freaks and lunatics, because normally they had worked with the classical texts only and never treated Latin a spoken language.
I liked seeing Davide somewhat uncomfortable with a language! I listen to his podcast and watch his videos for my Italian journey. Hes very confident and comfortable all the time, so seeing this face expression was new (in a good way). You guys are awesome, thank you.
Wow, this brings back memories to our Italy trip in 2013. I speak no Italian, but had Latin in high school. Dragging out what I learned backed then I was amazed that people understood my "pidgin Latin" - and my wife was jealous. 😆
The book's title itself is the same as it would be in Spanish -- i.e., familia romana. I understood the gist of the spoken Latin from what was being discussed. I have listened to Davide speak Italian also, he is the most understandable of them all to a Spanish speaker.
My experience went the other way around - can a Latin speaker understand Italian? Being a native Slovak speaker, at the age of 18 I had some negligible knowledge of basic Spanish when I got into medical school. I went through a 1-year course of medical Latin, which is actually not aimed at being able to have a conversation, but rather just understanding medical terminology. It was also highly mixed with ancient Greek because medical terminology uses a kind of mixture of both. A year later, I traveled to Italy for the first time, listening to the local radio stations in the car, and I was able to understand most of what they were saying. I was quite surprised by that.
I really enjoyed this experiment. I know some Italian, more French and less Spanish and next to zero Latin, but it was really interesting watching you fathom out how to communicate together. Humanity doing what it’s done for centuries and working out how to socialise.
Did you agree on wearing sweaters of the same color before filming this video? 😄 Joking apart, I really enjoyed it, thank you for your experiments with Latin, Luke. I studied Latin at school with the ecclesiastical pronounciation (like all Italian students do) and thanks to your channel I discovered the pronuntiatio restituta. I was skeptical at first, but now I am fascinated.
The Italian pronunciation is of course wonderful, but the restored pronunciation is a really great tool for things like metrical texts. I think the best thing we can do as a community is be accepting of both! :D
It’s interesting that you can compare words in English. For example, “Aedificium” which means “building”, but you also have the world “edifice” in English with the same meaning.
I'm Italian and during the 5th year of highschool I used to improvise speeches in latin and to create epigram about my friends (like Marziale's) just for fun. 5/6 years later I don't remember many words or grammar rules. Practice makes it all, unfortunately..
You can improve your Latin through Luke Ranieri's Lingua Latina Comprehensibilis playlist on his channel ScorpioMartianus. All his videos are in idiomatic Latin.
With absolutely no training, I was able to understand a little bit of the Latin spoken without subtitles but it’s definitely very different from Spanish. I love the way it’s spoken!
Will be disastrous. :) There will be some amount of frustration because a lot of people will feel they are about to understand something but they realize they don't.
Grazie, Luke, per questo splendido video ed esperimento. Io stesso sto studiando il latino attraverso il metodo Dowling (grazie al tuo video!) e presto comincerò LLPSI. Nel frattempo cerco di abituarmi il più possibile al latino scritto e orale, quindi questo tipo di video è l'ideale. Inoltre, la tua precisione nella pronuncia e la ricchezza del tuo vocabolario sono una risorsa incredibile. Grazie mille, spero di poter ascoltare molti altri video simili mentre parli finanche del più e del meno, purché in latino! 😂
As a Romanian it bothers me how close I am to understanding spoken latin. It's like I understand 60% of the words, but the meaning sometimes gets mixed up. There were a few times there where I understand whole sentences without any issue then some voodoo latin grammar enters the ring and i'm lost. lol
Buenas! Yo soy nativo del español y entiendo algo de italiano y solo entendí los cognados y entendí que hablaron del coliseo y de que les gustaba de Roma y algo de spaghetti , hehehehe. Pero fue super chévere verlos! Muchas gracias por compartir!
Yo entiendo italiano y portugués perfectamente y latín tmb entiendo mucho si ellos me hablaran en italiano portugués o latín yo contestaría todo en español haha 😆
It's bizarre, as a native Portuguese speaker, also fluent in Italian, intermediate French, and a decent (lazy, because of Portuguese) Spanish speaker, I can understand almost everything they're saying in Latin!
Luke is an excellent teacher where he has patience with someone who doesn't fully speak "his" language while conversing with them and gives slight nudges onto the right track.
What I caught from it, personally, was that he wasn't perfect either. He struggled with common expressions or ideas. Not to say he doesn't know, but it's not an "easy" language to express in common terms.. He had to think as anyone would. I probably didn't catch most of it, but just from watching behavior, it seemed distinct to me.
@@ZedF86 I think it’s also partially that I think he usually speaks Italian with Davide and it looked like he found himself switching into Italian by accident several times.
I had like 7 years of Latein in school, but I thought I had forgotten most of it. But to my amazement I was easily able to follow your conversation. I would not have been able to answer but I could clearly understand almost everything.
What I find fascinating is as a native english speaker with a fair understanding spanish I can actually make out a lot of words in spoken latin. While I couldnt properly translate or understand any long sentences, I can still tell what they're talking about and the general sentiment towards the items they're discussing.
One of the questions that Davide asked reminded me: It’s amazing to me how many beginning language courses don’t give you the little phrases that you need in order to learn by yourself. Like “how do you say ________ in [target language]?” I’m learning Vietnamese and one of the major issues is what “pronoun” to use. But no course I’ve seen ever teaches how to ask that question. :-) I think it would be worth an entire chapter in any language course.
Thats weird, I find it the opposite. Almost every language learning course I find takes the phrase book approach. They teach endless phrases like "how do you say ____" or "how are you?" or "where is the nearest coffeeshop?" and so on. They rarely go in depth with the grammar and why each phrase works the way it does. I'm not a fan of the phrasebook or immersive method myself. I need to know why what I say works, not just what to say
@@sameash3153 I’m not talking about phrasebooks; I’m talking about actual courses. There are different ways to introduce new vocabulary of course but among all the grammar and drills, what seems to frequently be missing are basic tools to help students teach themselves.
@@sazji I'm talking about courses too. I mean to say that in my experience they often imitate phrase books. But I don't know how other courses teach admittedly. I agree with you that resources for self instruction are important.
@@sameash3153 It may depend on how mainstream the language is. I think for languages like Spanish, German etc. there has been a lot more work towards updating teaching methods. For less commonly taught languages it’s different; also some countries (like Turkey) tend not to have good material. It’s very “fill the blank, read and translate.” Same for online/RUclips courses. As a matter of fact, I was just going to suggest a chapter like that for a Vietnamese channel I follow. How to ask the name of something. How to ask what one should address different people (a big issue in SE Asian languages in general). “What’s a better way to say this?” All sorts of useful examples come to mind.
I do not want to diminish Davide's accomplishment in speaking Latin here. But he definitively had at least a bit of Latin training before, most probably by Luke's videos. He knows exactly where to put his focus on: long/short vowels, getting the /w/ right and *not* pronouncing the final -m, but nasalising the vowel before the -m. All these things don't come naturally for an Italian speaker, but Luke has been preaching them for years on his channels.
@@Glossologia Davide is linguistically very talented, no doubt about that! His English is really good, which to a certain extent helped him in Latin pronunciation (the /w/-sound; words ending in consonants which-a is-a very uncommon-a in Italian-a). I think that he struggled most with the word-final -m that causes a nasalization of the precedent vowel. It's best heard in the scene when they talked about the countries.
You're probably right, but a training is not certainly needed: once you know, you just do it. It is easier to nasalize the vowel before the -m then pronouncing the final -m even if you speak Italian. As for vocalic length, it is natural instead: albeit Italian does not have vocalic length, it has nonetheless inherited the "stress rules" from Latin.
@@Galenus1234 > His English is really good, which to a certain extent helped him in Latin pronunciation (the /w/-sound; words ending in consonants which-a is-a very uncommon-a in Italian-a). Then English speakers should be better than Italian ones at pronouncing Latin. The "w" sound is natural: it is already present in words like "uovo", "uomo", "buono". Words ending in consonants are uncommon but not difficult to pronounce. Do not confuse the Italian way to pronounce English (an highly nonphonemic language whose letters are mostly non-pronounced) with the Italian way to pronounce Latin (that is more phonemic than Italian itself in its classical pronunciation).
@@12_xu He is right about final consonants - Italians often pronounce 'venit' as 'venittə' with a geminated 't' and a schwa vowel added. Of course most features of the language are easier for an Italian to pronounce but final consonants are the exception. That said the reason why I brought up English is not because English in particular is close to Latin in pronunciation, but rather because an Italian with a good ear for English will also have a good ear for Latin. Similarly I would say an Italian with excellent Chinese or Arabic pronunciation will have an easier time with Latin than a monolingual Italian just because linguistic skills can be generalized :-)
@@investmentgammler4550 ma cos’hai capito hahahah? Con questo voglio dire che il latino non è tanto diverso dall’italiano, e poi un italiano o uno studente straniero che ha imparato l’italiano lo capirebbe senza doversi studiare un intero vocabolario di latino
This is very inspiring to me. I’m a student of Sanskrit, and only this semester have I started studying Latin. I think I am also taking on the pedagogical method of repetition and translation as has been mentioned in the comment about the guy’s Italian tutors not being able to make a sentence. What reference and method is ideal for learning it in this way?
i like the rustic latin pronunciation more the classical one///like the AE pronounced as E...or the QUE as CV and not CUE ...but it is more like a personal choice :)
I really enjoyed this video. It helps me grasp the language better, as I am also a learner. It would be great to see some other people trying to speak Latin and being corrected by you.
Regarding "interesting" -- I find the following examples in Traupman: 1. Donna mihi vidētur speciōsa puella. (Donna seems to be a very interesting girl.) 2. Ille liber mē tenet. (That book is interesting.)
Wow this man really dominates and speaks fluent Latin, it’s like if I am living in an ancient time now. I am man Hispanic and speak fluent in Spanish and English and definitely it’s a honor to hear roots of the Romance languages which is Latin, very elegant
Come to Sardinia and learn a little bit of Sardinian language, it will help your Latin grammar a lot (because it’s one of the rare latin romance live language), you don’t need it a lot, your latin is pretty good.
I stumbled across your channel quite by accident the other day, after watching a few videos I am completely fascinated. Its odd I have never studied Latin, but enough of the language is understandable in context that it doesnt seem like something that would be impossible to learn.
I've had this exact unproven feeling in myself about this kind of interaction of these two languages for a very long time. I always felt that Latin must have sounded similar to Italian and also that Italian must be the closest thing to Latin in the modern world. I have no formal training in language studies but it sounds Italian if you muddle your way through it. Then again there's the Tom Segura joke about his last name when checking into a hotel...... This could also be me LOL.
Enjoying much this conversation, Latin is fantastic please visit Latin America, i would love to see Mexicans, Brazilians, Cubans, Argentinians, etc trying Latin ! ! !
Et ego quoque barbatus sum (haaec barba rubea est quia hibernicus/celtus sum - barbarus barbatus!.. Et David appelor. Cibus romanus mihi placet. Eheu in Gallia habito. Verumtamen Romam pergam quotiens fieri potest. Facilis est quia linguam iralicam loquor.. Stultus sum. Non 'iralicam', sed Italicam. Suavior tranquilliorque sum quam iratus.
Incredible, as a portuguese native speaker, I could understand some of the entire dialogue... Incrível, como um falante nativo de português, pude entender um cado de todo o dialogo... Ave Latinidade!
Has visitat mai Catalunya ? Et proposo el repte de fer un vídeo amb alguns catalans per veure si entenen llatí i si tu entens català . Felicitats pel teu canal..😀
Thank you Luke and Davide for this video, it was nice watching you speak Latin among clueless people 😆 I wondered what Luke thinks of Davide's pronunciation though, as to my Italian ears it feels like a very natural (despite unusual, being classical) Latin pronunciation, especially considering vowels which don't get as much length or "quantity" as Luke's despite retaining their clear and correct (mostly? I guess?) sound. This makes me think about all the different regional takes on Italian pronunciation, where vowels are opened or closed depending mostly of latitude but also other factors, and these speakers may still be recognised as proper Italian speakers. Was it the same for italic peoples when they took Latin as their language?
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Why you don’t read the dittongo ? And said Romae and Rome? Thanks
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It was so interesting, guys! Thank you for this! I wish we could all speak Latin as easily as Luke, it is so beautiful to hear him! I am Spanish and I speak also English, French, some German, and I am currently learning Italian (I follow Davide’s channel). Sadly, I have studied only 1 year of Latin in high school, but I really loved it. Unfortunately we had to learn everything by memory, because it is difficult and it was only the basics. I usually nailed it and people asked me how I could memorize everything. The truth is that I made songs with the declinations and the verbs and I imagined a different journey, ( as it was a music video visiting a village, a countryside, etc.), then each part had a particular place and a sound associated. I still remember some parts! While living abroad it was a bit frustrating to speak English with people whose maternal language was a Romance one, so we sometimes spoke our own language and try to understand each other. It was fun to check how much we could understand and at the end I am trying to learn them all! Latin is definitely on my list! I enjoy so much this channel :) ! And I agree that Rome is a wonderful city! I have read and study so much about its history, that the first time I went to the Forum it was like a Disneyland for me, I saw it living in my head and I didn’t want to leave! I wish I could live there one day.
@@arelendil7 That's a cool memorization technique! It sounds sort of similar to the "memory palace" technique Giordano Bruno used.
Why don't you do a prank where you walk out of somewhere in ancient robes and slippers and act all confused as if you've time traveled?
That made me smile
That would be so awesome
A good idea 🥰
yes
Great idea
Every single one of my Italian tutors is about to watch this video and get angry, they've all expressed to me the frustration at studying Latin for X amount of years and not being able to construct a single sentence. It really speaks to the efficacy of LLPSI (as well as Davide's outstanding linguistic capacity!)
That's because most "learning" of Latin in Italy is just translation. Translation doesn't teach intuitive language acquisition skills, and is an obstacle to it.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Vero!Quel poco che riesco a comprendere,più che altro lo intuisco
@@polyMATHY_Luke Pretty much all the schools and universities in europe teach latin like that. I am going through the same thing right now and putting in extra effort in order to learn latin like a living language and speak and hear as much of it as I can
@@polyMATHY_Luke I get the impression from following academic classicists that many of them regard the idea of teaching converstional Latin as something of a distraction from the subject. I suspect at least part of the reason is that not many of them actually have fluent Latin.
The thing is that studying the literature is both easier and more enjoyable when you can actually speak the language at least to a limited extent. I remember at school being tortured by the difficulties of the Aeneid. It didn't help that the concept of vowel length was only introduced at the beginning of the third year as something we would need to know about to be able to scan poetry. So for the first two years of school Latin we were taught to mispronounce almost everything.
It was only decades later when I decided to relearn my almost forgotten Latin purely as a hobby, and eventually tackled Virgil again, that I discovered for myself how wonderful his poetry is and what an unparalleled genius he was.
Davide did really well by the way. It's not easy being thrown in at the deep end like that.
@@CrazyChickenFarmer if you havent already check out "getting started with Latin" it is a book written specifically for homeschool and self taught latin. The author William Linney also has a website and youtube page and an app for doing drill's. The RUclips page has Classical and ecclesiastical pronounciation as well as more advanced lessons with homework and reading lists for when you finish the book.
It was a pleasure to make (yet) another video with you, Luke! Clearly my Latin needs some improvement. Howver, it was fascinating for me to realize I can understand you with little difficulty, which means I've had enough comprehensible input (mostly coming from you and Familia Romana haha), and yet - as it's often in the case when one's learning a foreign language - my speaking is pretty bad. In order to speak well you need to speak a lot, as we all know, and in that regard Latin is just like any language!
I think you’re at an excellent stage. It was great to showcase to people who far Familia Romana can take them. Grātiās!
Immo, laudo te, Davide! Scilicet multum loqui necesse est ut quamcumque linguam discas, sed iam, ut Lucius dicit, bonum gradum es adeptus! Nesciebam te omnino linguam latinam discere. Gaudeo :-)
I studied Latin (the Italian way, only through texts) for 5 years in High School (liceo linguistico) but I'm proud to say I was able to understand your conversation pretty easily. I've watched most of Luke's videos, so I can say I'm accustomed to his way of speaking Latin (sooo clear), but that's the only "training" I recently had. In terms of speaking it myself, I would've had even more difficulties than you with grammar, but at least I would have been able to communicate a bit, somehow.
@Omar beh la mia prof era molto severa, quindi negli anni qualcosa mi è rimasto, come anche un certo interesse che, unito a una predisposizione di base per le lingue, fa sì che mi ricordi molte cose. Ma non dico di poterlo usare bene, solo di potermela cavare (forse).
In English "Grammar School" (called, generally, gymnasium in the continent - secondary school) the boys have this rhyme:
Latin is dead
As dead as it can be
It killed the ancient Romans
And now it's killing me
(Limerick metre)
When Davide said, “I’m a lazy learner.” I thought oh he’s one us. He’s just a normal, real person.
Oh yeah, totally
I don't think there's anything with his method - he has done very well for someone who has just read Familia Romana.
Sometimes the lazy method is the best one.
@@PodcastItaliano the lazy method can really be the best for some of us who want to learn in a slow organic manner, kinda like how you would expect children to learn (at a much slower rate, that is).
I speak 7 languages to varying degrees and active learning has helped me only in a couple of ways, mostly just to clear some things up that annoyed me. (Read that as: things my brain would just never get right, without some linguistics read-ups on the topic).
Also, that said I am a linguist by profession so my methods might not resemble that of someone who is not interested in my field of studies.
Davide may be a “lazy learner”, but man o man, his English is impressive!!!
For a native Italian, he is 100% fluent in English, with a “perfect” American accent!
@@Nicholas.T Absolutely he has a great english accent.
My favorite Latin teacher told me he was once on holiday somewhere far away and he met a couple, but they had no common language. Except the husband was also a Latin teacher...
So, naturally they spoke and joked in Latin. It always amazed me.
You should do "Can italian students from liceo classico understand spoken latin?" (I am one)
This is in the works
Ci ho pensato pure io, sarebbe interessante fare un meeting online, ma non so se Luke ne sarebbe disposto...
@@polyMATHY_Luke niceee
Well, it's easier to understand a language than to speak it as we all have a better passive than active understanding of a language. It would be more interesting to see if they can speak it, maybe write in it, generally use it actively.
@@polyMATHY_Luke yeyyy🙌 but after that....a latin verb conjugations test for you😂😜😜😜
Now do "can an italian latin student understand Latin?"
Most cannot.
The real test
In Italy all people study the ecclesiastical pronunciation. The firt time I heard Scorpio Matianus speaking Latin, it was very hard because I didn't recognize the words. Now I understand the 85%
Please do - I was a student of Latin at school (despite studying it for 8ys vs the usual 2-5) and can understand pretty much everything of what Luke says. I'm curious to know how 5th graders in the Italian liceo Classico schools handle it!
I'm an Italian Latin student and I cannot
Dudes got a perfect American accent
Isnt he from the US?
@@amiwho3464 Nope he is a pure italian
@@mattthelearner2797 Wow thats crazy
I thought he was just gay, but thanks for explaining that it’s the american accent
@@bigyokes4747 Where are u from then?
Una grande differenza fra questa conversazione e diversi testi dell’antichità, e che qui capiamo subito quali sono gli argomenti trattati e possiamo seguire il filo del discorso. Mentre in diversi testi antichi, si tratta di eventi politici o culturali dell’epoca, con allusioni che non conosciamo a pieno e quindi più difficile capire dove vanno a parare.
Aggiungerei: questa è una conversazione, quelli sono testi.
Ci sono sempre delle differenze tra orale e scritto.
I'm Brazilian, but I can understand a few things in Latin, the power of this language is amazing!
Brasileiro no canal do Luke 😃
@@lais9671 adoro o canal dele, descobri por acaso enquanto tava procurando como estudar Latin vi aquele vídeo que ele pede informação em Roma
@@valbertonviana3543 eu descobri o canal dele em um video que o título era se os italianos podem entender latim.
Aí eu fico pensando, quem fala latim nos dias de hj? foi aí que é ele.
@@lais9671 viemos pelo mesmo vídeo aparentemente e simplesmente me apaixonei pelo canal, eu amo línguas e o latin é a próxima que quero dominar, viu aquele rolê dele em Pompéia? É a minha meta!
It reminded me an old family story about my grandma's Latin teacher, who brought his son to the Latin class in the medical university, and they started a regular conversation in Latin. The students immediately decided that they must have been freaks and lunatics, because normally they had worked with the classical texts only and never treated Latin a spoken language.
Many people think that innovation isn't good to study old stuff. Not very smart.
Are you Latin teacher, too?
I liked seeing Davide somewhat uncomfortable with a language! I listen to his podcast and watch his videos for my Italian journey. Hes very confident and comfortable all the time, so seeing this face expression was new (in a good way). You guys are awesome, thank you.
I am a romanian and I can understand almost all of the words! Love your videos!
Awesome video. I speak Italian reasonably well now. Latin is the next language I want to learn. 😊
Wow, this brings back memories to our Italy trip in 2013. I speak no Italian, but had Latin in high school. Dragging out what I learned backed then I was amazed that people understood my "pidgin Latin" - and my wife was jealous. 😆
The book's title itself is the same as it would be in Spanish -- i.e., familia romana. I understood the gist of the spoken Latin from what was being discussed. I have listened to Davide speak Italian also, he is the most understandable of them all to a Spanish speaker.
As a Spanish speaker the more I listen to you speak the more I can understand. I think I understood about 80% of your conversation.
Amm I really want to speak in Spanish I am a Filipino can we be fb friend and then you teach me how to speak your language plsss...
The problem is the other 20%
@@jedricklayola3547wenn du spanisch willst, bin ich filpino
As an Italian who also speaks English and has never studied Latin, I quite understood what you were saying
My experience went the other way around - can a Latin speaker understand Italian?
Being a native Slovak speaker, at the age of 18 I had some negligible knowledge of basic Spanish when I got into medical school. I went through a 1-year course of medical Latin, which is actually not aimed at being able to have a conversation, but rather just understanding medical terminology. It was also highly mixed with ancient Greek because medical terminology uses a kind of mixture of both. A year later, I traveled to Italy for the first time, listening to the local radio stations in the car, and I was able to understand most of what they were saying. I was quite surprised by that.
Davide speaking English with a spot on American accent lol
I was literally standing where you are standing exactly one week ago! What a shame I didn't stumble upon you guys! :P
I really admire Davide's efforts to speak in Latin!
I really enjoyed this experiment. I know some Italian, more French and less Spanish and next to zero Latin, but it was really interesting watching you fathom out how to communicate together. Humanity doing what it’s done for centuries and working out how to socialise.
Did you agree on wearing sweaters of the same color before filming this video? 😄
Joking apart, I really enjoyed it, thank you for your experiments with Latin, Luke.
I studied Latin at school with the ecclesiastical pronounciation (like all Italian students do) and thanks to your channel I discovered the pronuntiatio restituta. I was skeptical at first, but now I am fascinated.
The Italian pronunciation is of course wonderful, but the restored pronunciation is a really great tool for things like metrical texts. I think the best thing we can do as a community is be accepting of both! :D
Familia Romana! One of the textbooks we used in my high school in the Latin class 🥰 Davide is awesome! Every video of yours is a instant liker!! 🙌🏻❤
Super! Will you make "Speaking Ancient Greek" to modern Greeks?
I think he plans to eventually, but it might be a while haha.
It’s interesting that you can compare words in English. For example, “Aedificium” which means “building”, but you also have the world “edifice” in English with the same meaning.
same for french and spanish
Edificio in spanish. Perhaps we all should learn latin
I'm Italian and during the 5th year of highschool I used to improvise speeches in latin and to create epigram about my friends (like Marziale's) just for fun. 5/6 years later I don't remember many words or grammar rules. Practice makes it all, unfortunately..
You can improve your Latin through Luke Ranieri's Lingua Latina Comprehensibilis playlist on his channel ScorpioMartianus. All his videos are in idiomatic Latin.
So happy for your huge growth on the channel you had in the last year
This is remarkable, because it would be difficult for a speaker of English to understand Middle English, as it was spoken from 1150 to 1470.
Awesome video, I've been understanding more and more of the spoken Latin in these videos, which is great!
Great video. Very encouraging and motivating for me as I’m currently trudging through Familia Romana myself.
With absolutely no training, I was able to understand a little bit of the Latin spoken without subtitles but it’s definitely very different from Spanish. I love the way it’s spoken!
Excellent video!
Luca, your next challenge to walk around speaking Latin in ROMANIA 😀
Will be disastrous. :)
There will be some amount of frustration because a lot of people will feel they are about to understand something but they realize they don't.
Semper potest ambulare in Via Veneto ut inveniat uxorem. (No! God forbid.)
Grazie, Luke, per questo splendido video ed esperimento. Io stesso sto studiando il latino attraverso il metodo Dowling (grazie al tuo video!) e presto comincerò LLPSI. Nel frattempo cerco di abituarmi il più possibile al latino scritto e orale, quindi questo tipo di video è l'ideale. Inoltre, la tua precisione nella pronuncia e la ricchezza del tuo vocabolario sono una risorsa incredibile. Grazie mille, spero di poter ascoltare molti altri video simili mentre parli finanche del più e del meno, purché in latino! 😂
As a Romanian it bothers me how close I am to understanding spoken latin.
It's like I understand 60% of the words, but the meaning sometimes gets mixed up.
There were a few times there where I understand whole sentences without any issue then some voodoo latin grammar enters the ring and i'm lost. lol
Yeah because 40% of ypur language are Serbian
@@Latro84 It's not & you should go study both Serbian & Romanian.
@@Latro84 🤣🤣🤣 some of you are just sick!
-Senatus
+Senaatus
-Senatus
+Senaaatus
-Recte
😂😂😂
Hai ragione. Lunghe e corte vocali sono un essenziale parte del latino.
Buenas! Yo soy nativo del español y entiendo algo de italiano y solo entendí los cognados y entendí que hablaron del coliseo y de que les gustaba de Roma y algo de spaghetti , hehehehe. Pero fue super chévere verlos! Muchas gracias por compartir!
Yo entiendo italiano y portugués perfectamente y latín tmb entiendo mucho si ellos me hablaran en italiano portugués o latín yo contestaría todo en español haha 😆
Fascinating to read the subtitles and listen as Latin similarities to English leap out at me. Love this!
It's bizarre, as a native Portuguese speaker, also fluent in Italian, intermediate French, and a decent (lazy, because of Portuguese) Spanish speaker, I can understand almost everything they're saying in Latin!
I watched it without subtitles Luke 😊💜
"can a law student understand Latin?"
Quite possibly
If well versed in the legal phrases and the Justinian Code, most definitely I'd imagine.
More walking up on random Italians speaking Latin please. The one video you did that was pure gold.
Two of my favourite youtubers! 🥳
Luke is an excellent teacher where he has patience with someone who doesn't fully speak "his" language while conversing with them and gives slight nudges onto the right track.
What I caught from it, personally, was that he wasn't perfect either. He struggled with common expressions or ideas. Not to say he doesn't know, but it's not an "easy" language to express in common terms.. He had to think as anyone would. I probably didn't catch most of it, but just from watching behavior, it seemed distinct to me.
@@ZedF86 I think it’s also partially that I think he usually speaks Italian with Davide and it looked like he found himself switching into Italian by accident several times.
@@paradoxmo Quite possible. I'm not familiar with Italian.
"Cuomodo dicitur..." (sp?) ➡️ "Como si dice..." & "Cómo se dice..."
This will never stop being amazing to me! 😃😃
I had like 7 years of Latein in school, but I thought I had forgotten most of it. But to my amazement I was easily able to follow your conversation. I would not have been able to answer but I could clearly understand almost everything.
What I find fascinating is as a native english speaker with a fair understanding spanish I can actually make out a lot of words in spoken latin. While I couldnt properly translate or understand any long sentences, I can still tell what they're talking about and the general sentiment towards the items they're discussing.
One of the questions that Davide asked reminded me: It’s amazing to me how many beginning language courses don’t give you the little phrases that you need in order to learn by yourself. Like “how do you say ________ in [target language]?” I’m learning Vietnamese and one of the major issues is what “pronoun” to use. But no course I’ve seen ever teaches how to ask that question. :-) I think it would be worth an entire chapter in any language course.
Thats weird, I find it the opposite. Almost every language learning course I find takes the phrase book approach. They teach endless phrases like "how do you say ____" or "how are you?" or "where is the nearest coffeeshop?" and so on. They rarely go in depth with the grammar and why each phrase works the way it does. I'm not a fan of the phrasebook or immersive method myself. I need to know why what I say works, not just what to say
@@sameash3153 I’m not talking about phrasebooks; I’m talking about actual courses. There are different ways to introduce new vocabulary of course but among all the grammar and drills, what seems to frequently be missing are basic tools to help students teach themselves.
@@sazji I'm talking about courses too. I mean to say that in my experience they often imitate phrase books. But I don't know how other courses teach admittedly. I agree with you that resources for self instruction are important.
@@sameash3153 It may depend on how mainstream the language is. I think for languages like Spanish, German etc. there has been a lot more work towards updating teaching methods. For less commonly taught languages it’s different; also some countries (like Turkey) tend not to have good material. It’s very “fill the blank, read and translate.” Same for online/RUclips courses. As a matter of fact, I was just going to suggest a chapter like that for a Vietnamese channel I follow. How to ask the name of something. How to ask what one should address different people (a big issue in SE Asian languages in general). “What’s a better way to say this?” All sorts of useful examples come to mind.
Me, an Italian, actually understanding
I am shocked how good David's English is.
I know right?" Not only I can hear zero Italian accent, but he also sounds American. I thought he was an Italian American
Fun fact... in Spanish ARA and ALTAR are still both in use. ME PLACE MUCHÍSIMO ESTA CONVERSACIÓN 😎
I do not want to diminish Davide's accomplishment in speaking Latin here. But he definitively had at least a bit of Latin training before, most probably by Luke's videos. He knows exactly where to put his focus on: long/short vowels, getting the /w/ right and *not* pronouncing the final -m, but nasalising the vowel before the -m.
All these things don't come naturally for an Italian speaker, but Luke has been preaching them for years on his channels.
Well notice how excellent his English pronunciation is - he acquires new phonologies very naturally. :-)
@@Glossologia
Davide is linguistically very talented, no doubt about that! His English is really good, which to a certain extent helped him in Latin pronunciation (the /w/-sound; words ending in consonants which-a is-a very uncommon-a in Italian-a).
I think that he struggled most with the word-final -m that causes a nasalization of the precedent vowel. It's best heard in the scene when they talked about the countries.
You're probably right, but a training is not certainly needed: once you know, you just do it. It is easier to nasalize the vowel before the -m then pronouncing the final -m even if you speak Italian. As for vocalic length, it is natural instead: albeit Italian does not have vocalic length, it has nonetheless inherited the "stress rules" from Latin.
@@Galenus1234 > His English is really good, which to a certain extent helped him in Latin pronunciation (the /w/-sound; words ending in consonants which-a is-a very uncommon-a in Italian-a).
Then English speakers should be better than Italian ones at pronouncing Latin.
The "w" sound is natural: it is already present in words like "uovo", "uomo", "buono". Words ending in consonants are uncommon but not difficult to pronounce. Do not confuse the Italian way to pronounce English (an highly nonphonemic language whose letters are mostly non-pronounced) with the Italian way to pronounce Latin (that is more phonemic than Italian itself in its classical pronunciation).
@@12_xu He is right about final consonants - Italians often pronounce 'venit' as 'venittə' with a geminated 't' and a schwa vowel added. Of course most features of the language are easier for an Italian to pronounce but final consonants are the exception.
That said the reason why I brought up English is not because English in particular is close to Latin in pronunciation, but rather because an Italian with a good ear for English will also have a good ear for Latin. Similarly I would say an Italian with excellent Chinese or Arabic pronunciation will have an easier time with Latin than a monolingual Italian just because linguistic skills can be generalized :-)
Hehe love Davide's Latin. I have been learning in a similar way so I think I would have a similar performance.
I’m Italian and I‘ve understood all
Sono tedesco, ed anch'io ho capito tutto :-)
@@investmentgammler4550 ma cos’hai capito hahahah? Con questo voglio dire che il latino non è tanto diverso dall’italiano, e poi un italiano o uno studente straniero che ha imparato l’italiano lo capirebbe senza doversi studiare un intero vocabolario di latino
This is very inspiring to me. I’m a student of Sanskrit, and only this semester have I started studying Latin. I think I am also taking on the pedagogical method of repetition and translation as has been mentioned in the comment about the guy’s Italian tutors not being able to make a sentence. What reference and method is ideal for learning it in this way?
i like the rustic latin pronunciation more the classical one///like the AE pronounced as E...or the QUE as CV and not CUE ...but it is more like a personal choice :)
I'm Romanian, I speak Aromanian and Italian and I understood almost anything.
Same.
Me, an italian watching an American and an Italian speaking Latin while I'm doing my ancient Greek homework: Aρχé
There are many words similar to Urdu and Hindi.
Like Marna in Urdu means "to die"
Urdu has many words from Sanskrit.
So it's not shocking I think
Bravo, Davide!
I really enjoyed this video. It helps me grasp the language better, as I am also a learner. It would be great to see some other people trying to speak Latin and being corrected by you.
Dopo controllo il canale del davide
Eheh, this sounds like me :) Also went trough Familia Romana, understood it, but am not much of a speaker. So this was fun to watch! Thank you both :)
Wow! I almost understand everything. And i have a very poor school formation in Latin. (only a year in middle school very basic) . Bellissimo!
Loving these videos!
Regarding "interesting" -- I find the following examples in Traupman: 1. Donna mihi vidētur speciōsa puella. (Donna seems to be a very interesting girl.) 2. Ille liber mē tenet. (That book is interesting.)
This guy does a great job.
Wow this man really dominates and speaks fluent Latin, it’s like if I am living in an ancient time now. I am man Hispanic and speak fluent in Spanish and English and definitely it’s a honor to hear roots of the Romance languages which is Latin, very elegant
Luchino sei l'insegnante di latino che ho sempre sognato ma che non mai avuto
Come to Sardinia and learn a little bit of Sardinian language, it will help your Latin grammar a lot (because it’s one of the rare latin romance live language), you don’t need it a lot, your latin is pretty good.
I stumbled across your channel quite by accident the other day, after watching a few videos I am completely fascinated. Its odd I have never studied Latin, but enough of the language is understandable in context that it doesnt seem like something that would be impossible to learn.
*Insert genius meme* All jokes aside, this video has solidified my plan to use Familia Romana when I study Latin.
I've had this exact unproven feeling in myself about this kind of interaction of these two languages for a very long time. I always felt that Latin must have sounded similar to Italian and also that Italian must be the closest thing to Latin in the modern world. I have no formal training in language studies but it sounds Italian if you muddle your way through it. Then again there's the Tom Segura joke about his last name when checking into a hotel...... This could also be me LOL.
I'd like to see a video of making a pizza in Latin
Ho cominciato amare la lingua italiana dopo che ho imparato abbastanza latino. Grazie ai due !
Enjoying much this conversation, Latin is fantastic
please visit Latin America, i would love to see Mexicans, Brazilians, Cubans, Argentinians, etc trying Latin ! ! !
I'm really happy I was able to understand almost everything.
PS you can almost see Davide's brain working with all its strength
Et ego quoque barbatus sum (haaec barba rubea est quia hibernicus/celtus sum - barbarus barbatus!.. Et David appelor. Cibus romanus mihi placet. Eheu in Gallia habito. Verumtamen Romam pergam quotiens fieri potest. Facilis est quia linguam iralicam loquor.. Stultus sum. Non 'iralicam', sed Italicam. Suavior tranquilliorque sum quam iratus.
Yoda, in Star Wars, spoke using a Latin sentence structure. No?
Incredible, as a portuguese native speaker, I could understand some of the entire dialogue...
Incrível, como um falante nativo de português, pude entender um cado de todo o dialogo...
Ave Latinidade!
Tive o mesmo sentimento
Muito foda né mermão... imagino eu conversando com o maluco aí meu...
Rivogliamo l'impero romano!!!! 🏺⚔️🏺
Mussolini tried to do just that; he failed.
Il tuo commento mi fa molto ridere! 😂😂😂
In Italy we don’t study latin to speak it we study it for doing grammar excercise and traduction.
Remember the film ‘ good bye Mr Chips’? He was a Latin teacher at a public school!
one of the best english accent from an italian lol
I agree. I was also very surprised that he can speak English with an accent close to General American English.
Nice, was worth to visit two University seminars of Latin!
Hmm... seems like a long way to go! Here I was, thinking of learning Latin in months
im from italy and i understand latin
Aw, Luke. I am Scottish and even I know spaghetti all'amatriciana (i veri con guanciale). You need yourself a plate of it!
I'm italian and my grade in latin is 5/10
As an Italian Latin student who studied the language for 5 years I can say that I wouldn't have been able to do that
Nice! thank you for this! being a Spanish speaker I can understand somethings you said in Latin, which sounds like a dislocated Spanish to me.
Has visitat mai Catalunya ? Et proposo el repte de fer un vídeo amb alguns catalans per veure si entenen llatí i si tu entens català . Felicitats pel teu canal..😀
Bombax! Bene factum Davide!
Dovrebbero darti la cittadinanza onoraria di Roma!
Ahah accetterei
Minchia davide parla benissimo inglese
Come americano, sono molto sorpreso che l'accento di Davide sia molto simile al mio.
it's incredible that an american speaks latin so well, compliments
Thank you Luke and Davide for this video, it was nice watching you speak Latin among clueless people 😆 I wondered what Luke thinks of Davide's pronunciation though, as to my Italian ears it feels like a very natural (despite unusual, being classical) Latin pronunciation, especially considering vowels which don't get as much length or "quantity" as Luke's despite retaining their clear and correct (mostly? I guess?) sound. This makes me think about all the different regional takes on Italian pronunciation, where vowels are opened or closed depending mostly of latitude but also other factors, and these speakers may still be recognised as proper Italian speakers. Was it the same for italic peoples when they took Latin as their language?