Two things that stood out most to me: 1 - He uses "we" a lot... a team player mentality is key for success. 2 - Process reliability! Just because you can go hard and fast doesn't mean it's always best. That's how you get consistent parts and valuable tools to last years.
This Eric guy, knows his stuff and every inch of that shop, that was really neat. Again, another amazing video. Thank you, for taking the time to show this, and Thank you to Orange Vise Co. for opening their doors to allow this to happen. I love the finish on those Vises, just as a side note...
Erick / Sol is a rare combination today. Extremely intelligent, knowledgeable, an excellent designer and engineer, and I personally know he's as honest as it gets. He's treated me more than well even when he was a Glacern Machine Tools. I'm more than pleased to see his business is continuing to grow. If hard work equals success he's going to do very well.
I love how they use the "seconds" for their own use. That's pretty epic, and pretty smart. I'm sure they end up with a fair amount of perfectly fine vises with cosmetic issues, since that's pretty common in any manufacturing.
5-Star stuff, that Eric guy is genuinely inspirational in a 'shop guy', entrepreneurial, intellectual sort of way. Definitely appreciate seeing the tour of his operation. Thanks John Saunders, 👍👍💪💪
Love the fact that you guys mentioned Dura-Bar. I live 12 miles from Dura-Bar and did a walk through of their factory. They have an amazing cast iron bar extrusion process.
The Mori designed machines like these have the Fanuc with Celos control which has the two touch screens..then the DMG designs use Heidenhain or Siemens with Celos and just the one big touch screen.
thank you for doing these vids! Very much appreciated! Eric's demeanor was quite impressive. He seems like a guy that everyone would want as a friend. :)
Awesome. DMG, these were/are the top go to brand in dental milling. Printing/laser ceramic technology is now pushing milling slightly to one side. I met the dental DMG guys at the International Dental Show in Cologne 4 years ago, at that time DMG was the most accurate dental production platform. (In my opinion). Great tour and really interesting John. Many thanks for sharing. Kindest regards. Joe.
I would really like to see an update to the grinding application if/when he gets a sophisticated automated setup. Knowing this guy, it will be a beast of system. :)
Dude these tours you have been bringing us on so freggin awesome every shop is so different but man intriguing it's not funny. Thanks a million love these tours
Awesome for Eric to do this. That's a real nice cool move by him for John to film. Vises look fantastic. Would be nice to use them where I work at. More videos should be uploaded on the Orange Vise channel. :D
Didn't know Orange Vise was in Placentia. Next time you're in town, drop me a line, and I'll take you to dinner or something. I work in Anaheim, and live in Yorba Linda. Placentia is right in between. Geez!!
That was great. Love watching this stuff while running parts. Keep visiting places, this stuff rocks. Love being a fly on the wall for big operations. Going to get me an Orange vice soon. Also being new to cnc myself, I often wonder how you get those bigger faster machines setup with out causing shrapnel.
That's the guy from the Glacern Machine Tools instructional videos! You know the ones where the shop and and machines are as clean as in an operating theater.
I feel it is interesting he dislikes tapping with his live tools on the NLX. That is the only way we tap on our NL, which is essentially the same platform as the NLX, and we get excellent results with it. That said, we have a 10" chuck and the force of that thing stopping suddenly during a tapping cycle, regardless of speed, has caused some taps to fantastically/violently explode on us.
I've never seen a long term quality DMG Mori. I don't know whats worse, their build quality or their support. Our machines are down so much after 4 years we can justify junking all of them and buying completely new machines by the amount of money we will save on down time.
It's official, the NHX's at work are spotless and clean. I'm so glad we don't do cast! Ours have a 178 pot tool changers. It's actually a pain: the tool changer is a machine to itself. (it can crash, too.) I'm not sure about the retention knob sensor, but they all seem to have an air sensor that detects tool seating. Only to be used with dual-contact holders (BG-Plus) or in our case, HSK. Mapps4>Celos. I hate that damned touchscreen. We have one of each, and I like the older model! Amazing machines, overall. Often used in turn-key operation for the big three.
The touchscreen is laggy, with no feedback besides an annoying beep for every button press. The HMI on the tool changer is also a bit on the slow side. You should have a ladder book in the cabinet, and a box of manuals with the machine. If you call out DMG, they can speed up your toolchanger. Have them speed up you chip conveyor also, both are slow from the factory (or at least every one I've dealt with is) I'm not sure about your machines, but none I've worked on are box ways, all linear rails. With the NHX's it's something like three rails for the x axis and two for the y axis - and they're not small rails. I've bumped one out of alignment once. it took a lot (the rapids are stupid fast, even into the side of a fixture....) I'm sure you'll enjoy the machines. Did you get Mitsu or Fanuc in the cabinet? If it's Fanuc, have extra fans on the shelf. For some reason we seem to go through a couple every few years.
Yep......yep......yep....yeah.....giggle..... Yep.....yeah......holy cow.....yep.....yeah......wow. HahahaThat's all I could focus on when the guy was talking lol
What happens in a big facility like that when the power goes out? Are those magnetic chucks are mechanical or electromagnets. Cables make me think they are electromagnets. That large grinding wheel has momentum and even if the power goes out it will have a lot of energy. Parts no longer held down might go flying...
If anyone has documentation or suggestions on the delta iv 4" 5th axis vise. Mine came as a fixed jaw setup. I am looking for the clamping force and also max torque I can apply while using the serrajaws.
I'm really surprised at the difference a 50 taper can do. I've always figured ultra high speed tool paths were the way to go but I'm always open to change as long as it makes a little more money.
At 41:29 ... I could set up this piece in 3 hours on a Citizen M32 IV V VII ... etc.. and rund it in around 90 seconds perfect without burs.. (y) ...!! Guess the cycle times with no gang tools and only one revolver is like 3 -4 minuts per part rit?
When you have a part extending from the chuck on a lathe without using a tail stock or some form of end part support you run the risk of the part sagging in the Z aixs direction, resulting in diameter change across the part. You tend to see it more when you get into 4-6x diameter to length on a part.
I have Kurt and Orange. Both have their place. Orange is great quality, so is Kurt. Biggest complaint on the Orange is, it will rust if you're not careful. The Kurt will too but not as easy. Really like the Carve Smart built into the Orange.
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that guy Eric is amazing, open minded, knowledgeable, sharing, most non-arrogant and all that leads to a great product and work environment.
Two things that stood out most to me: 1 - He uses "we" a lot... a team player mentality is key for success. 2 - Process reliability! Just because you can go hard and fast doesn't mean it's always best. That's how you get consistent parts and valuable tools to last years.
+1 Jay
I was reading the comment thinking "Hey, that sounds like Jay talking". Well guess who it was!
Tools rarely last years. Maybe the tool holder.
@@joachimsingh2929 ...and sometimes a person can be a tool.
This Eric guy, knows his stuff and every inch of that shop, that was really neat. Again, another amazing video. Thank you, for taking the time to show this, and Thank you to Orange Vise Co. for opening their doors to allow this to happen. I love the finish on those Vises, just as a side note...
Erick / Sol is a rare combination today. Extremely intelligent, knowledgeable, an excellent designer and engineer, and I personally know he's as honest as it gets. He's treated me more than well even when he was a Glacern Machine Tools. I'm more than pleased to see his business is continuing to grow. If hard work equals success he's going to do very well.
Glad to see Eric doing so well since GMT... A genuine and deserving guy.
I feel like all these tours were like a spiritual quest for John, and we are all going to reap the benefits!
lol hes on mission
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haha.... very much agreed Rashethippo...a good one
I just watched this, and I have to say, Eric is one sharp dude. He put Orange Vise on my shortlist.
I love how they use the "seconds" for their own use. That's pretty epic, and pretty smart. I'm sure they end up with a fair amount of perfectly fine vises with cosmetic issues, since that's pretty common in any manufacturing.
Love it "I don't deal with backlash". Ain't nobody got time for that.
TOflat You can always use "FLOATING TAPPING ER COLLET" it solve this problem.
5-Star stuff, that Eric guy is genuinely inspirational in a 'shop guy', entrepreneurial, intellectual sort of way. Definitely appreciate seeing the tour of his operation. Thanks John Saunders, 👍👍💪💪
Another great tour. It's refreshing to see manufacturers that pay attention to the little details.
Really, really impressed with this guy. Process reliability, what a good term.
Very much enjoyed this video. Awesome!
please dont stop doing these tours
im learning so much and seeing so much intresting stuff !
i like his probing cycle. it taps the probe, flips it 180 then taps it again ensuring its got a good calibration on it. Pretty bad ass.
Incredibly quiet shop, employees must appreciate it.
Really appeal guy. Enjoyed the rare, super fluid authenticity. Very refreshing. Way to go entrepreneurs. Keep up the great work.
GOOD VIDEO. Informative, no music (music is not information), and good narration. That's how to communicate with professionals!
Thank you, John. And especially, thank you Eric!
Process reliability and tool redundancy explanations are 'gold nuggets'. Thank you, again!
Love the fact that you guys mentioned Dura-Bar. I live 12 miles from Dura-Bar and did a walk through of their factory. They have an amazing cast iron bar extrusion process.
So cool to see Orange Vise factory! Thanks!
All Brother CNC are amazing - they are super fast and with some cool features :D
The Mori designed machines like these have the Fanuc with Celos control which has the two touch screens..then the DMG designs use Heidenhain or Siemens with Celos and just the one big touch screen.
These tours are really great, love seeing what the other shops use and how their production flow is set up
thank you for doing these vids! Very much appreciated!
Eric's demeanor was quite impressive. He seems like a guy that everyone would want as a friend. :)
Most informative video on the internet
Thanks John. I am getting to be a real fan of your shop tour videos. Good show!
I'm glad you made these, whether or not it took any particular arm-twisting!
BEST TOURS OF MODERN MANUFACTURING!
I'll be watching this one 1 or 2 more times. Excellent. Thank you.
These tours are great! So many ideas and solutions being shared!
As usual, John. Your tours are so educational.
Thank you again, for sharing
2200ipm is pretty impressive, although I run a roders and it tops out at 2600ipm its rediculas..not time for catching error! DMG are pretty awesome!
Very impressive operation. Eric really knows his shit. May have to try out one.
Thank you both!
Your factory tours are awesome!
Awesome. DMG, these were/are the top go to brand in dental milling. Printing/laser ceramic technology is now pushing milling slightly to one side. I met the dental DMG guys at the International Dental Show in Cologne 4 years ago, at that time DMG was the most accurate dental production platform. (In my opinion). Great tour and really interesting John. Many thanks for sharing. Kindest regards. Joe.
very cool shop tour
thanks to Orange vice
I would really like to see an update to the grinding application if/when he gets a sophisticated automated setup. Knowing this guy, it will be a beast of system. :)
John thanks for all these tours great videos.
Dude these tours you have been bringing us on so freggin awesome every shop is so different but man intriguing it's not funny. Thanks a million love these tours
Hi John,
Thanks for another interesting video. Those Orange vises look good. It was nice to see all that went into making them.
Steve
That was EXCELLENT! Lots of wisdom shared. Thanks John.
ATB, Robin
Awesome for Eric to do this. That's a real nice cool move by him for John to film. Vises look fantastic. Would be nice to use them where I work at.
More videos should be uploaded on the Orange Vise channel. :D
Another awesome tour John.
Great factory tour John.
"I AM INSIDE THE TOOL CHANGER!" Haha Good work John!
Very informative - he knows his stuff!
Didn't know Orange Vise was in Placentia. Next time you're in town, drop me a line, and I'll take you to dinner or something. I work in Anaheim, and live in Yorba Linda. Placentia is right in between. Geez!!
some day I'll own an Orange vise. Wish they made one half size as well.
Some kind of timing on this, John.
I received the shipping notice for our little Orange vise yesterday.
Great video once again.
Thanks.
That was great. Love watching this stuff while running parts. Keep visiting places, this stuff rocks. Love being a fly on the wall for big operations. Going to get me an Orange vice soon. Also being new to cnc myself, I often wonder how you get those bigger faster machines setup with out causing shrapnel.
That's the guy from the Glacern Machine Tools instructional videos! You know the ones where the shop and and machines are as clean as in an operating theater.
Thanks for mentioning the GMT instructional videos. They're great! I wish that I would have known about them months ago.
Totally incredible John - head spinning in amazement. :)
Fantastic video.
I feel it is interesting he dislikes tapping with his live tools on the NLX. That is the only way we tap on our NL, which is essentially the same platform as the NLX, and we get excellent results with it. That said, we have a 10" chuck and the force of that thing stopping suddenly during a tapping cycle, regardless of speed, has caused some taps to fantastically/violently explode on us.
I actually live near the place where all these DMG-Mori machines are developed and manufactured^^
Big machines! Woo Hoo!
I have no idea how I got here and have no idea of anything cnc related but I learned stuff that I’ll never put to use
Million thanks to Eric
great tour. are you getting some ideas?
Beautiful vise
sol has such a great operation going. I only wish he'd make more videos, but easy to see why not, since it must take soooo long to film and edit
Nice tour. Great video.
I've never seen a long term quality DMG Mori. I don't know whats worse, their build quality or their support. Our machines are down so much after 4 years we can justify junking all of them and buying completely new machines by the amount of money we will save on down time.
That dude is next level.
Sol seems like a cool guy.
surface flatting is about precision. if you can flatten the surface enough you can stick two metal plates by touching their surface.
I'd like to hear/see the original machines he started with, and if he bootstrapped or raised money
He started selling oranges.
I love these tours. Thank you!
Wow fascinating looks like a awesome product
It's official, the NHX's at work are spotless and clean. I'm so glad we don't do cast!
Ours have a 178 pot tool changers. It's actually a pain: the tool changer is a machine to itself. (it can crash, too.) I'm not sure about the retention knob sensor, but they all seem to have an air sensor that detects tool seating. Only to be used with dual-contact holders (BG-Plus) or in our case, HSK.
Mapps4>Celos. I hate that damned touchscreen. We have one of each, and I like the older model!
Amazing machines, overall. Often used in turn-key operation for the big three.
The touchscreen is laggy, with no feedback besides an annoying beep for every button press. The HMI on the tool changer is also a bit on the slow side. You should have a ladder book in the cabinet, and a box of manuals with the machine.
If you call out DMG, they can speed up your toolchanger. Have them speed up you chip conveyor also, both are slow from the factory (or at least every one I've dealt with is)
I'm not sure about your machines, but none I've worked on are box ways, all linear rails. With the NHX's it's something like three rails for the x axis and two for the y axis - and they're not small rails. I've bumped one out of alignment once. it took a lot (the rapids are stupid fast, even into the side of a fixture....)
I'm sure you'll enjoy the machines. Did you get Mitsu or Fanuc in the cabinet? If it's Fanuc, have extra fans on the shelf. For some reason we seem to go through a couple every few years.
Yep......yep......yep....yeah.....giggle..... Yep.....yeah......holy cow.....yep.....yeah......wow. HahahaThat's all I could focus on when the guy was talking lol
What happens in a big facility like that when the power goes out? Are those magnetic chucks are mechanical or electromagnets. Cables make me think they are electromagnets. That large grinding wheel has momentum and even if the power goes out it will have a lot of energy. Parts no longer held down might go flying...
this made my day John! Thank you :)
Brothers are the bees knees
Thanks for sharing guys
Nice!...love this tour videos!
awesome shop!
Awesome video!
If anyone has documentation or suggestions on the delta iv 4" 5th axis vise. Mine came as a fixed jaw setup. I am looking for the clamping force and also max torque I can apply while using the serrajaws.
Thanks for the tour, I expected nothing but first class and that's what they produce.
I'm sure the phrase "good enough" is unlikely to be used there.
Awesome video man
John...now you are just making me jealous....
I'm asking the boss for an Orange Vise now.
Eric is great!!!
Do you use a vise to grind them square?
Best video ever. Loved it 🤘🤘
Wow what a super nice guy!
I'm really surprised at the difference a 50 taper can do. I've always figured ultra high speed tool paths were the way to go but I'm always open to change as long as it makes a little more money.
sliding jaws from what material? Aluminum?
we dont like it,we deeply love it
Shit here in phoenix I'm evaporating 15 gallons a day per machine.....its insane. And my machines are small!
thanks for another great vid
At 41:29 ... I could set up this piece in 3 hours on a Citizen M32 IV V VII ... etc.. and rund it in around 90 seconds perfect without burs.. (y) ...!! Guess the cycle times with no gang tools and only one revolver is like 3 -4 minuts per part rit?
You ought tour rogue fitness. Or come tour my shop Turn all machine and gear. We are in Springfield
I don't fully understand what he means at 28:29 by "immune to z axis growth on diameter"?
When you have a part extending from the chuck on a lathe without using a tail stock or some form of end part support you run the risk of the part sagging in the Z aixs direction, resulting in diameter change across the part. You tend to see it more when you get into 4-6x diameter to length on a part.
Great video 👍🏻
the orange vise guy seems to be very intelligent...
i work o a vertical but myn is dying. i hope they replace it with a dmg
Kurt or Orange?
We use Kurt in our shop
Yes.
I have Kurt and Orange. Both have their place. Orange is great quality, so is Kurt. Biggest complaint on the Orange is, it will rust if you're not careful. The Kurt will too but not as easy. Really like the Carve Smart built into the Orange.
Kurt for me
Kurt D688. Both vises in my machine have a crown and the fixed jaws are really squishy.
awesome !