I really appreciate how responsive you are with your audience ♡ I remember your last review like this there were a few comments that asked about that Ranchero, I am glad you included it here :) I'm new and shopping for a small light professional espresso machine for a coffee cart.
Hey WCR, Thanks for the comment. We do our best to provide timely and detailed responses to questions. Yes, there are a lot of Rancilio Silvia fans and some disappointment when the original single boiler Silvia was not in our 5 favorite single boilers video this year. It was in past years. For your coffee cart you might take a look at the this NSF rated Crem machine: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines/products/crem-one-hx-espresso-machine It's fairly light compared to similar machines, attractive price point and plumbable to waterline if available at your cart's location. Marc
I have spent many hours reading reviews and watching Marks videos of double boiler machines. My 12 year old Breville dual boiler finally gave up the ghost and I'm in the market for a new machine. Thanks to Mark I have decided on the ECM Syncrhronika which will be delivered this coming Wednesday and I'm very excited. I already have a professional grinder so I'm looking foreword to my new machine. Thanks Mark.
It must be a bit taxing to “re-review” units, comparing and finding the slight upgrades over previous versions. That said, your work is always appreciated Mark! These videos are enlightening and really fun to watch. Thanks to you and the team for the hard work🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hi Marc, greetings from New Zealand again :) It's been about 1 1/2 years since I bought my Pro 600. I did so much research but it was your videos that confirmed it was the right machine for me. I then bought the Ceado E37J which is a great grinder for my budget. Since then I've been experimenting with dosing cups (helps with clumping) and puck screens. I'm blown away by the difference using a puck screen combined with an IMS Nano Quartz shower screen. The machine and workflow is so much cleaner. Anyway, loving your channel and thanks again for your time here. Do test out with puck screens :) Cheers Marc, Craig
Hey Craig, Back at you from the USA and thanks a whole latte for the kind comments and reports on your experience with the Pro 600 and E37J!🚨 Dosing cups, WDT tools, precision filter baskets, etc make a difference. We've played with puck screens a bit - no video on those yet. But we do have this one comparing precision shower screens if you missed it: ruclips.net/video/nHOYw3tVYTY/видео.html Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Cheers Marc. Yes, that video was the reason why I bought the IMS Nano Quartz screen about a month ago. It's worth every cent. Thanks
I have been using the synchronika for six months, it makes the best espresso and lattes. Dual boilers ultra quite rotary pump. I will never go back to the entry level machins. Synchronika coffee taste and texture takes you to another level.
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The Bezzera Matrix is very cool. Legendary brand. I think they correctly recognized that a machine like these can be a real focal point. Why not jazz it up
Very nice clip! I happen to own a Bezzera Matrix MN and guests tend to like the LED colors. There are people who find it over the top and like a more classical look. But well, it sort of fits in a tradition of the well lit espresso machines of the sixties and seventies. And in the end they like the coffee! But apart from that, all these machines make great coffee, so any random choice will do. And I do like the ECM woodwork 🤪.
Can you mod the bezzera with the flow control upgade. I've been researching this machine and the profitec 600 and 600 mode they are all very similar and i am torn between the 3 of them plus finding them in stock in the UK is tricky at the moment thx😎🇬🇧
E61 flow controls are for the most part interchangeable. Bezzera recently came out with one. Supply may be tight - I've only gotten my hands on a demo so far. Marc
Between the Pro 600 and Pro 400, while I like the full PID on the 600, I like the proper pre-infusion in the 400 (and still has adjustable temp) and the $800 price difference. Like that they both easily adjust pressure too.
The Bezzera looks inspired from the PC Gaming world with RGB lights and clear side panels. Do the lights dance when pulling a shot? If it doesn't it should!
Hey team WLL, thanks for the in depth reviews and professional presentations. I wanted to know if you have featured the La Pavoni Boticelli in any of your reviews? And if not, do you have an opinion? Thanks in advance for any advice!
I think the pro 300 is enough for 3 espresso in the morning and 2 cappuccino in the afternoon. Comparable to Victoria that has more option which should be in the pro 300. However the build quality of the pro 300 is better and the heat up time is much faster.
What are your thought on the updated profitec 600 mode, and will you be getting your hands on one to review🤞. Love your shows always full of good info, I'm in the UK and none of our suppliers do what you do it's all down to youtubers which involves a lot of searching and they are usually in differant countries.
Hi LLCR, I'm not aware of a new 600 other than perhaps an update to the cup rail? If you know something I don't please do tell! Thanks for sharing your love of our content! We are very passionate and do our best to inform and educate! Marc
@@johannesberger9432 hi from what I can tell the new mode is the same as the pro 600 under the hood, they have changed the steam and water taps for leavers and added the flow control. I don't know if they have upgraded the pid which it needed imo. It's also £200 more expensive than the pro 600 which is the cost of adding the flow control yourself so your getting the leavers for free. Hope this helps P.s I've also seen pro 700 mode but not found it yet👍😎🇬🇧
Hi Marc, I like the Bezzera Duo. You didn't mention, or I missed it, copper boilers in the Bezzera... how do your techs feel about them? Quality? Longevity?
Hi Richard, Thanks for the question. There's no real difference in longevity. One slight benefit of copper is for those who might have water high in chlorides. I spoke with our lead tech and he's seen isolated cases of galvanic action between fittings with dissimilar metals in non-copper boilers when source water is high in chlorides. Hope that helps! Marc
Do you recommend any machine that gives me excellent coffee and good steaming, and its price has all the capabilities, not the price on appearance and luxuries?
Hello, Just bought a new Profitec pro 700 from you guys and wanted to see if I can connect it to an Alexa plug in? I had my Expobar office control on it and loved being able to ask Alexa to turn on my espresso machine in the morning from bed or turn it on when I wasn’t home.
Hi Justin, Thanks for the question. For low flow any current ECM or Profitec machine with an E61 group can be fitted with flow control. In 2022 Profitec released the Pro 400 and ECM brought out the Mechanika Slim VI. These heat -exchange boiler machines both have a pre-infusion mode that runs the pump for ~5 seconds, pauses for ~3 and then resumes normal extraction. It's a feature that can be turned on/off by the user. Both also have user selectable temperature presets. A 3 postion switch lets one easily select cooler brew temps appropriate for dark roasts or higher brew temp that's good for medium/light roasts. The third position bumps up pressure/temperature in the boiler for extra steaming power. Temps are controlled by PID, but just at the 3 presets instead of a full range of temps you have on regular PID machines. I have been working with a prototype for a new ECM HX machine with some interesting new capabilities. Not sure if/when it will be released and since it's not public I cannot disclose any details. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage that's what I wanted Marc, the juicy deets! Thanks for your response. I was aware of the current techs, but thanks for the refresher. I think stuff like 3 mode PID's and repeatable automated pressure/flow profiling without a zillion configurations has a bright commercial future as people get burnt out thinking they need infinite control. The 400 is probably the best machine for most people.
@@JusBThankful Juicy deets spilling could get me in trouble! I agree with your take on the 400 and same for the Mechanika VI Slim. I'll have a video on that one dropping next week featuring the dressed up Heritage Line model. Marc
Hey Marc I own a Pro600 and I’m thinking maybe it’s time for an upgrade, Pro700 and synchronika are the ones I’m leaning to, just not sure if the jump in price from my current PP600 to any of those will be noticeable in terms of shot quality
Hi AC, Synchronika is my favorite dual boiler machine. Def the overall best prosumer level dual boiler machine on the market. Think I mentioned in the video the Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical internally. The major differences between your 600 and Sync/700 are larger boilers, rotary pump and plumbability direct to waterline. When plumbed direct to waterline either machine can do line pressure pre-infusion. Rotary pumps are quieter and have a higher flow rate than the vibe pump in the 600. If you equip machine with flow control you'll have more flow rate to play with. Flow control is currently a free upgrade on either machine from Whole Latte Love. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control And you can customize with various wood species on levers and portafilters. Hope that helps! Marc
hey! Why would you want to upgrade the 600 to the 700 / Synchronika? Why are you not satisfied with the 600 anymore? Reason why I am asking is that I actually want to purchase a 600 very soon. (I don't want to plumb the machine in and the smaller steam boiler seems very OK for me and my wife). I wonder why I should pay more to get the 700 for home use or even like 1000 $ more for the synchronika (YES, Synchronika has much nicer external finish, but that's not worth 1000 $ for me). Thanks for answering, maybe it helps me a lot! Thx!
@@t0bistr 👋, I love my PP600; I haven't had an issue with her for almost 4 years. The only reason for the upgrade is to have a machine that includes: Flow Control Rotary Pump with plumb-in capacity A larger steam boiler (although the PP600 is enough to entertain a small party, I'm hosting small group sessions for my church at home. When there are more than 10 people, temperature stability could become an issue for me serving back to back milk based drinks)
I currently have brevlle barista espresso, I make 2 iced lattes in the morning during the weekdays and 2 cappuccinos on weekends. Do you think it would be an overkill if I upgrade to dual boiler profitec 300 and eureka libra?
Hi user, Overkill? Depends on how critical you are of your espresso. Libra is without question a much better grinder than the Breville built in. The Pro 300 is a step up in build quality and reliability. With proper maintenance, you can expect it to run for decades. If it ever has a problem it's very repairable. Beyond that, the Pro 300 uses real boilers while the Breville uses a thermoblock. You can expect better brew temperature stability on the Pro 300 as well as always available steam and more of it. Hope that helps! Marc
I keep hearing how the Lelit Mara X is superior to the Profitec Pro 300 because of the temperature control it has. It is HX instead of dual boiler so heat up times are around 25min instead of the quick PP300. Wondering how WLL compares these two machines at a similar price point?
Hi Keith, Thanks for the question. Modern E61 group machines with HX boilers controlled by PID do a relatively good job at keeping temps stable. But most need a cooling flush if sitting on and idle for extended periods. When it's needed depends on variables like ambient temps, was the PF kept in the group, etc. Keep in mind the steam producing section of an HX boiler runs much hotter than the desired brew temp so these machines depend on the thermosiphon out to the group and back to keep that circuit's water near the desired brew temp. The group is a big heat sink so cooler ambient temps or even a draft changes how much heat it gives up. The dual boiler Pro 300 runs the boiler much closer to the desired brew temp than an HX boiler. Since it's not shedding nearly as much heat as an E61 group it's more stable and predictable in most situations. The Pro 300's boiler is smaller so recovery time after use is likely longer as there's a bigger temp drop in the boiler with use. The Pro 300 should provide more consistent and stable temps in low frequency usage. If you're the type who turns the machine and makes 2-3 coffees over the space of an hour the Pro 300 is ready to go sooner with less hassle trying to figure if a flush is needed or not.
Hi nr, I don't believe so - and that would certainly help overcome the smaller volume of the drip tray! I would check with the vendor to confirm warranty implications. Marc
Despite the fact they offer free shipping to the continental US they refuse to even offset Alaska shipping with the value they would have spent on other customers free shipping (leaving me to pay a hundred percent, instead of the value difference, which i was happy to do). Alaska customers look elsewhere. I was pretty bummed.
Hey Mike, If I was Mike I'd go with the Synchronika for the dual boilers. Individual temp control of each so crank the steam boiler up to 11 (270F) for near 2 bar of pressure. Technika is a heat exchange boiler machine. Changing boiler temp on Technika for more steam changes the brew temp. Marc
Hi d, This video is from 2022. The Profitec Drive was not available until late '23/early 2024. We do have this in-depth video featuring the Drive: ruclips.net/video/ouG30LITDy4/видео.html Marc
Hi CQ, Well, the machines are made in Europe so a lot more transport involved. Some are air-freight to US, majority take a boat ride. Also variations in currency exchange rates. Marc
Hi PN, Well, the Pro 500 is a heat-exchange boiler machine and this video is for dual boiler machines. The Profitec Pro 500 is in our video Top 5 Favorite Heat Exchange Boiler Espresso Machines of 2022: ruclips.net/video/Hr9dQsK_Pck/видео.html Marc
I wish espresso companies innovated more, instead of adding lipstick on a pig that is the E61 machine. It's the same old tech from 1961 with a few bells and whistles here and there. I get that these machines last a long time and are easier to repair. That's not an excuse for not innovating and providing more control during ,and feedback after pulling an espresso shot. The real innovation is coming from an "outsider", i.e Decent Espresso. Decent machines give fantastic control and feedback. Synesso is making the ES1, which is a Decent clone with dual boiler. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, thanks for the reply. I cannot find an instance of a true leva-style machine with dual boilers? Meaning a boiler dedicated to the steaming wand vs a heat exchanger. I found a pro 800 with the Leva, but single boiler? Couldn't find any for the ECM with the lever. Of you can share a link or model number please share. I found one La San Marcos single group head that someone customized and added the second boiler dedicated to the steam wand, but otherwise striking out? Thanks for your help in advance.
It seems that video has been deleted. Mind you, whenever a retailer does reviews you do need to keep in mind that they aren't truly independent. Having said that, if you're wanting a machine or grinder that WLL stocks and keen to find out more then Mark's reviews are very useful. If you want a more independent review, check out individual coffee youtubers such as James Hoffmann, Kyle Russell and Lance Hendricks (just to name a few).
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the reply. So, you think the linea mini is overpriced? I’m opening a coffee truck and just ordered one. I hope I didn’t get ripped off.
The design of Mrs Silvia is uninspiring. I would suggest Rancilio who have capable espresso machinery abilities, to update their design. Similar, I would say no to the Bezzera Matrix with these side panels, but yes to the Bezzera Duo 🙂
Rancillio looks very nice especially in modern kitchens, the rest looks like a device pulled out of a spaceship. With such an amount of chrome, it's scary to touch, I wonder what the espresso machine looks like after channeling on an open portafilter🤣
Машина La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler потекла при первом же включении, рабочего давления помпа не показала. Стоит такая красивая, кнопочки горят, но совершенно бесполезная и течет по-тихому. Приобреталась в качестве подарка, не включали 15 дней, попали на гарантийный ремонт. Гарантийный ремонт в исполнении ООО "Время кухни" (продавец) и ООО "СМЕГ Руссия" (поставщик) превратился в кошмар - машинку забрали и 12 дней никакой информации. Дали телефоны 3 (трех) авторизованных центров. Первый сразу же забрал машинку, никакой информации о ее судьбе больше нет. На звонки обещают уточнить и перезвонить. Может и уточняют, но не перезванивают, следующий раз - опять обещание уточнять. Уже боязно, не мошенники ли, вернется ли машинка, опять же - какая?! Ведь если врут, значит это кому-нибудь нудно. Вкус кофе - ужасный: его нет.
Translated: The La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler machine leaked at the first start, the pump did not show working pressure. It is so beautiful, the buttons are on, but it is completely useless and flows quietly. Purchased as a gift, did not include 15 days, got to the warranty repair. Warranty repairs performed by LLC "Kitchen Time" (seller) and LLC "SMEG Russia" (supplier) turned into a nightmare - the machine was taken away and there was no information for 12 days. Gave phone numbers of 3 (three) authorized centers. The first one immediately took the car, there is no more information about its fate. They promise to clarify and call back. Maybe they clarify, but they don’t call back, next time - again a promise to clarify.
I know you guys work so close with ECM and Profitec. The wood is a great addition but can they get rid of the chrome? We are way beyond stainless steel and chrome in the kitchen. Look at all the colors we get even fridges now you can color match. I think you should open discussion and let's get more color. Gaggia gives you color at $500 why can't a $3,000 machine have color instead of chrome? Even Black, White just to start...
Hi Daniel, The wood is nice! It's difficult to break the tradition of the classic stainless steel/chrome finishes! But, we are seeing some departure and there's more to come! Synchronika is available with Anthracite sine panels. Profitec Pro 400 comes in 3 colors. Marc
Hi, Daniel, may I disagree ;-) I specifically bought this chrome and stainless steel combination - as it is timeless. And I am very happy with my decision. If something should ever happen to my machine (what I strongly doubt), I could easily polish off the scratch from the stainless steel. Before buying my _ECM Synchronika_ , I had a closer look at ECM’s 25th anniversary special edition. Yes, I liked the darker look of the finish - but I was afraid that within several years I would put it down to the 2022 Lifestyle… It is like with colors for a brand new car and I noticed that I wanted to be on the “safe side” by opting for the classic look ;-) On the other hand, my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ is pitch black and I even dyed the wooden parts - to make my Synchronika stick even more out on my self-made brewing bar. It is a pleasure to have this combination in my living room when coming back from the kitchen - and my Synchronika is looking at me with its beautiful barometers and its bright green and orange _“I am ready, no matter what”_ smile…
@@anotherguycalledsmith Exactly my friend, you stick with the same old design and they can let others get new designs and colors who have an eye for design. This way we are both happy.
@@daniellanzotti2391 I mean, they are rock solid, you can do whatever you want to customize them… ;-) In the end, it all comes down to a question of taste…
Hi O, thanks for the comment. If you're about saving money at the expense of build quality that's an option. But at the same price as the E61 DB machines here it's not even close. I've been inside them all and the higher general build quality is clearly evident for the machines featured here.
@@Wholelattelovepage the correct title is "the 5 best machines that we sell in the US", but lelit bianca is better that this 5. Low and high flow, electronic preinfusion, woods, naked portafilter included, ims filters. Take a look to it. Regards.
@@OsCorrals86 You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I stand by mine. As mentioned above I've been inside the machine and compared construction and component quality. At similar prices it's not even close.
Okay but can we talk about why every single one of these machines is ugly as sin? Why does function sacrifice style? The wood panels next to industrial stainless steel/chrome looks horrible. The 'help, my espresso machine ate my gaming computer' abomination is of its own class. The others are bland and boxy. I'm just disappointed that the best of the best require a paper bag on their head before producing incredible coffee at a remotely decent price point. Most affordable home machines with a sense of style that I've found are heat exchangers or worse :\
I really appreciate how responsive you are with your audience ♡ I remember your last review like this there were a few comments that asked about that Ranchero, I am glad you included it here :) I'm new and shopping for a small light professional espresso machine for a coffee cart.
Hey WCR, Thanks for the comment. We do our best to provide timely and detailed responses to questions. Yes, there are a lot of Rancilio Silvia fans and some disappointment when the original single boiler Silvia was not in our 5 favorite single boilers video this year. It was in past years. For your coffee cart you might take a look at the this NSF rated Crem machine: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines/products/crem-one-hx-espresso-machine
It's fairly light compared to similar machines, attractive price point and plumbable to waterline if available at your cart's location.
Marc
I have spent many hours reading reviews and watching Marks videos of double boiler machines. My 12 year old Breville dual boiler finally gave up the ghost and I'm in the market for a new machine. Thanks to Mark I have decided on the ECM Syncrhronika which will be delivered this coming Wednesday and I'm very excited. I already have a professional grinder so I'm looking foreword to my new machine. Thanks Mark.
Hey Dennis, You're welcome! Understand your excitement - Synchronika is an awesome machine!!!
Marc
We absolutely love our Profitec 600! It’s an incredible machine that makes the best drinks! Your reviews are always helpful! Thank you!!
Hi Gregg, Thanks for sharing the ❤️ of your Pro 600 and the comment!
Marc
It must be a bit taxing to “re-review” units, comparing and finding the slight upgrades over previous versions. That said, your work is always appreciated Mark! These videos are enlightening and really fun to watch. Thanks to you and the team for the hard work🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hi 80's, Yes, new products are more interesting. But as mentioned few new designs during pandemic. The Silvia Pro X was one exception.
Marc
Gotta respect a guy that know his trade! Great video as always.
Your video helped my to pick an ECM Synchronica.
Hi jm, Thanks for the comment and happy to help!
Marc
Much appreciated! Thanks Marc & team.
Hey GtG, You're welcome and thanks for the comment!
Marc
Another excellent review, Marc.
Hi Sam, Thanks for the comment!
Marc
Ok Marc, I want one. Gday mate, another great video…thanks heaps.
Hey Nick, Thanks for the comment - You're welcome a whole latte!
Marc
great review thanks again Marc.
No problem 👍
Marc
Hi Marc, greetings from New Zealand again :) It's been about 1 1/2 years since I bought my Pro 600. I did so much research but it was your videos that confirmed it was the right machine for me. I then bought the Ceado E37J which is a great grinder for my budget. Since then I've been experimenting with dosing cups (helps with clumping) and puck screens. I'm blown away by the difference using a puck screen combined with an IMS Nano Quartz shower screen. The machine and workflow is so much cleaner. Anyway, loving your channel and thanks again for your time here. Do test out with puck screens :) Cheers Marc, Craig
Hey Craig, Back at you from the USA and thanks a whole latte for the kind comments and reports on your experience with the Pro 600 and E37J!🚨 Dosing cups, WDT tools, precision filter baskets, etc make a difference. We've played with puck screens a bit - no video on those yet. But we do have this one comparing precision shower screens if you missed it: ruclips.net/video/nHOYw3tVYTY/видео.html
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Cheers Marc. Yes, that video was the reason why I bought the IMS Nano Quartz screen about a month ago. It's worth every cent. Thanks
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I have been using the synchronika for six months, it makes the best espresso and lattes. Dual boilers ultra quite rotary pump. I will never go back to the entry level machins. Synchronika coffee taste and texture takes you to another level.
Hi Ayman, Thanks for sharing your experience and thoughts on the Synchronika!
Marc
Hello how much is the heat up times on synchronika ?
@@NoQuinn That depends on the ambient temperature. Espresso boiler heats up within 5 min. while steaming boiler within 15 min.
Great review!!
Thank you! Cheers!
Marc
Mmm lovely bunch! More eye candy. Loved the retro rocker switches too! Keep ‘em coming Buck! I really like the Profitec and ECM line😛❤️
Me too! Thanks a whole latte for the comment.
Marc (aka Buck)
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The Bezzera Matrix is very cool. Legendary brand. I think they correctly recognized that a machine like these can be a real focal point. Why not jazz it up
Very nice clip! I happen to own a Bezzera Matrix MN and guests tend to like the LED colors. There are people who find it over the top and like a more classical look. But well, it sort of fits in a tradition of the well lit espresso machines of the sixties and seventies. And in the end they like the coffee! But apart from that, all these machines make great coffee, so any random choice will do. And I do like the ECM woodwork 🤪.
Can you mod the bezzera with the flow control upgade. I've been researching this machine and the profitec 600 and 600 mode they are all very similar and i am torn between the 3 of them plus finding them in stock in the UK is tricky at the moment thx😎🇬🇧
Hey l, Thanks for the comment! breaking from tradition is hard for some. Like the relate to flashy lit up machines!
Marc
E61 flow controls are for the most part interchangeable. Bezzera recently came out with one. Supply may be tight - I've only gotten my hands on a demo so far.
Marc
@@l.l.coolray yes you can I recently modified mine using the lelit bianca kit
Please do a guide for when you should get what type of machine 🙏
In Montreal, QC we have service. $25 per appliance. I wonder if they service/maintain a coffee machine every 3 years?
Between the Pro 600 and Pro 400, while I like the full PID on the 600, I like the proper pre-infusion in the 400 (and still has adjustable temp) and the $800 price difference. Like that they both easily adjust pressure too.
Hey Tim, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for making great coffee content Marc!
Love the comparisons and useful info 💪
I wish there was a European counterpart of WLL as informative on what that market offers
Maybe one day!
Marc
that ECM rocks.
The Bezzera looks inspired from the PC Gaming world with RGB lights and clear side panels. Do the lights dance when pulling a shot? If it doesn't it should!
Lol!
Have had an older Profitec 500 (no PID) for 6yrs so looking at the ECM Synchonika as my next (final?) upgrade!
Hi g, Keeping it in the family! Doesn't get better than the Synchronika so I'm guessing it'll be end stage upgraditis!
Marc
Anybody have any experience with the Bezzera Matrix Duo? Mine loves the repair shop. Once a year she’s in the shop.
Hey team WLL, thanks for the in depth reviews and professional presentations. I wanted to know if you have featured the La Pavoni Boticelli in any of your reviews? And if not, do you have an opinion? Thanks in advance for any advice!
Hi Martin, Thanks for the kind comment and question. Unfortunately I have not used the LPB so cannot render an opinion.
Marc
I think the pro 300 is enough for 3 espresso in the morning and 2 cappuccino in the afternoon. Comparable to Victoria that has more option which should be in the pro 300. However the build quality of the pro 300 is better and the heat up time is much faster.
In profitec 300, what is the presure for expresso? I read the good presure is about 9.
Is it true that Bezzera manufactures parts for ECM?
I am thinking between profitec 400 or the rancilio pro x, can anyone help me pick?
What are your thought on the updated profitec 600 mode, and will you be getting your hands on one to review🤞. Love your shows always full of good info, I'm in the UK and none of our suppliers do what you do it's all down to youtubers which involves a lot of searching and they are usually in differant countries.
Hi LLCR, I'm not aware of a new 600 other than perhaps an update to the cup rail? If you know something I don't please do tell! Thanks for sharing your love of our content! We are very passionate and do our best to inform and educate!
Marc
Can you please tell us about the new Pro 600? What do you know about it? Thanks, really appreciate it!
@@johannesberger9432 hi from what I can tell the new mode is the same as the pro 600 under the hood, they have changed the steam and water taps for leavers and added the flow control. I don't know if they have upgraded the pid which it needed imo. It's also £200 more expensive than the pro 600 which is the cost of adding the flow control yourself so your getting the leavers for free. Hope this helps
P.s I've also seen pro 700 mode but not found it yet👍😎🇬🇧
Hi Marc,
I like the Bezzera Duo. You didn't mention, or I missed it, copper boilers in the Bezzera... how do your techs feel about them? Quality? Longevity?
Hi Richard, Thanks for the question. There's no real difference in longevity. One slight benefit of copper is for those who might have water high in chlorides. I spoke with our lead tech and he's seen isolated cases of galvanic action between fittings with dissimilar metals in non-copper boilers when source water is high in chlorides.
Hope that helps!
Marc
About time you and Java Jim get in the ring, sort it out for once and all.
I think Jim would kick your ass.
Lol
Do you recommend any machine that gives me excellent coffee and good steaming, and its price has all the capabilities, not the price on appearance and luxuries?
Very thorough. Why don’t you review the Lelit?
Hi Paul, I have evaluated in the past. In US market Bianca is about same price as Synchronika but does not have same build quality.
Marc
What do you think of the Ascaso Steel Duo? Seems like a great option for those who want a thermablock design
Hi JC, Honestly not a fan of thermoblock boilers at this level of machine. I guess for someone who prefers thermoblock it's an option?
Marc
Mark, I would like to see a review between Gevi semi-automatic and what you think would be in the same class.
Hi SA, Thanks for the request. Unfortunately I do not have access to a Gevi.
Marc
You forgot to mention Lelit Bianca, Elizabeth they both are great dual boiler machines
Hi BK, Did not forget they just didn't make the list.
Marc
How does the Lelit Elizabeth compare to these
Hello,
Just bought a new Profitec pro 700 from you guys and wanted to see if I can connect it to an Alexa plug in? I had my Expobar office control on it and loved being able to ask Alexa to turn on my espresso machine in the morning from bed or turn it on when I wasn’t home.
Hey A, So long as the plug is rated to handle the power load of the machine. It likely is if it was able to do your Expobar. But do check!
Marc
Can you turn off/on the steam boiler independently from brew boiler in Pro-300 and Pro-X?
Hi MT, yes steam boiler can be turned off independently on both machines.
Marc
Can you make mention if ECM/Profitec is working on any functional upgrades to their tech, things like low flow mode or digital preinfusion, for 2023?
Hi Justin, Thanks for the question. For low flow any current ECM or Profitec machine with an E61 group can be fitted with flow control. In 2022 Profitec released the Pro 400 and ECM brought out the Mechanika Slim VI. These heat -exchange boiler machines both have a pre-infusion mode that runs the pump for ~5 seconds, pauses for ~3 and then resumes normal extraction. It's a feature that can be turned on/off by the user. Both also have user selectable temperature presets. A 3 postion switch lets one easily select cooler brew temps appropriate for dark roasts or higher brew temp that's good for medium/light roasts. The third position bumps up pressure/temperature in the boiler for extra steaming power. Temps are controlled by PID, but just at the 3 presets instead of a full range of temps you have on regular PID machines. I have been working with a prototype for a new ECM HX machine with some interesting new capabilities. Not sure if/when it will be released and since it's not public I cannot disclose any details.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage that's what I wanted Marc, the juicy deets! Thanks for your response. I was aware of the current techs, but thanks for the refresher. I think stuff like 3 mode PID's and repeatable automated pressure/flow profiling without a zillion configurations has a bright commercial future as people get burnt out thinking they need infinite control. The 400 is probably the best machine for most people.
@@JusBThankful Juicy deets spilling could get me in trouble! I agree with your take on the 400 and same for the Mechanika VI Slim. I'll have a video on that one dropping next week featuring the dressed up Heritage Line model.
Marc
Can you review the Berezza Aria with flow control please
Coming soon
Hey Marc I own a Pro600 and I’m thinking maybe it’s time for an upgrade, Pro700 and synchronika are the ones I’m leaning to, just not sure if the jump in price from my current PP600 to any of those will be noticeable in terms of shot quality
Hi AC, Synchronika is my favorite dual boiler machine. Def the overall best prosumer level dual boiler machine on the market. Think I mentioned in the video the Synchronika and Pro 700 are essentially identical internally. The major differences between your 600 and Sync/700 are larger boilers, rotary pump and plumbability direct to waterline. When plumbed direct to waterline either machine can do line pressure pre-infusion. Rotary pumps are quieter and have a higher flow rate than the vibe pump in the 600. If you equip machine with flow control you'll have more flow rate to play with. Flow control is currently a free upgrade on either machine from Whole Latte Love. www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control And you can customize with various wood species on levers and portafilters.
Hope that helps!
Marc
hey! Why would you want to upgrade the 600 to the 700 / Synchronika? Why are you not satisfied with the 600 anymore? Reason why I am asking is that I actually want to purchase a 600 very soon. (I don't want to plumb the machine in and the smaller steam boiler seems very OK for me and my wife). I wonder why I should pay more to get the 700 for home use or even like 1000 $ more for the synchronika (YES, Synchronika has much nicer external finish, but that's not worth 1000 $ for me). Thanks for answering, maybe it helps me a lot! Thx!
@@t0bistr 👋, I love my PP600; I haven't had an issue with her for almost 4 years. The only reason for the upgrade is to have a machine that includes:
Flow Control
Rotary Pump with plumb-in capacity
A larger steam boiler (although the PP600 is enough to entertain a small party, I'm hosting small group sessions for my church at home. When there are more than 10 people, temperature stability could become an issue for me serving back to back milk based drinks)
@@t0bistr so based on your use case I think the PP600 fits you nicely, you won’t regret pulling the trigger. Hope this helps!
@@aureliocastro6478 thank you for your fast answer. This definitely helps a lot and makes me even more sure to go for the 600! :) best regards
I currently have brevlle barista espresso, I make 2 iced lattes in the morning during the weekdays and 2 cappuccinos on weekends. Do you think it would be an overkill if I upgrade to dual boiler profitec 300 and eureka libra?
Hi user, Overkill? Depends on how critical you are of your espresso. Libra is without question a much better grinder than the Breville built in. The Pro 300 is a step up in build quality and reliability. With proper maintenance, you can expect it to run for decades. If it ever has a problem it's very repairable. Beyond that, the Pro 300 uses real boilers while the Breville uses a thermoblock. You can expect better brew temperature stability on the Pro 300 as well as always available steam and more of it.
Hope that helps!
Marc
What coffee beans did you use with Profitec 600 during the recording?
Hi Ncc, It was our very own locally roasted Crema Wave: www.wholelattelove.com/products/whole-latte-love-crema-wave-whole-bean-espresso
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you..I'll order some.
I keep hearing how the Lelit Mara X is superior to the Profitec Pro 300 because of the temperature control it has. It is HX instead of dual boiler so heat up times are around 25min instead of the quick PP300. Wondering how WLL compares these two machines at a similar price point?
Hi Keith, Thanks for the question. Modern E61 group machines with HX boilers controlled by PID do a relatively good job at keeping temps stable. But most need a cooling flush if sitting on and idle for extended periods. When it's needed depends on variables like ambient temps, was the PF kept in the group, etc. Keep in mind the steam producing section of an HX boiler runs much hotter than the desired brew temp so these machines depend on the thermosiphon out to the group and back to keep that circuit's water near the desired brew temp. The group is a big heat sink so cooler ambient temps or even a draft changes how much heat it gives up. The dual boiler Pro 300 runs the boiler much closer to the desired brew temp than an HX boiler. Since it's not shedding nearly as much heat as an E61 group it's more stable and predictable in most situations. The Pro 300's boiler is smaller so recovery time after use is likely longer as there's a bigger temp drop in the boiler with use. The Pro 300 should provide more consistent and stable temps in low frequency usage. If you're the type who turns the machine and makes 2-3 coffees over the space of an hour the Pro 300 is ready to go sooner with less hassle trying to figure if a flush is needed or not.
Why are there multiple refurbished Rancilio pro X on your site? Im probably gonna buy one but what keeps breaking on it?
Hi JC, I cannot speak to specific refurbished machines but many are buyers remorse so they may have been returned with very little to no use.
Marc
Would plumbing in the Rancilio SPX to a drain void the warranty?
Hi nr, I don't believe so - and that would certainly help overcome the smaller volume of the drip tray! I would check with the vendor to confirm warranty implications.
Marc
You can plumb in a vibratory pump indirectly - to the water tank
Could hack that - just be careful of flood potential!
Marc
Very nice. Italian and German manufacture is a must. I refuse to buy anything outsourced any more.
Hi b, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The true machines made in Europe are a cut above.
Marc
Despite the fact they offer free shipping to the continental US they refuse to even offset Alaska shipping with the value they would have spent on other customers free shipping (leaving me to pay a hundred percent, instead of the value difference, which i was happy to do). Alaska customers look elsewhere. I was pretty bummed.
Mark, Ranchilio silva pro X is value for money db machine?
HI NK, Yes it is!
Marc
Theres a typo "honrable" mention when it comes to the Pro700
Bummer! Thanks for the catch. Imma fire the proofreader - wait, I'm the proofreader! See ya
Marc
Marc should take up a side gig on the Home shopping network
Hey riff, Have I got a deal for you... but we only have 50 more available so don't wait act now! 😂
Marc
lelit bianca is wins 🏆 🎉
Hey 22, thanks for the comment. So here in US it's about the same price as the Synchronika but in comparison is a bit behind in build quality.
Marc
If Mark designed and built his own espresso machine, would it have muscle car exhausts or would it be more steam punk?
Hey M, Wow, love that. My high school days were in the late muscle car era so...
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Please remember to add the catback steam wand to your design!
What is the difference between the ECM Synchronika vs the ECM Technika V Profi PID? If I was Mark, which one would I buy?
Hey Mike, If I was Mike I'd go with the Synchronika for the dual boilers. Individual temp control of each so crank the steam boiler up to 11 (270F) for near 2 bar of pressure. Technika is a heat exchange boiler machine. Changing boiler temp on Technika for more steam changes the brew temp.
Marc
No Lelit Bianca and/or Elizabeth?
Hi JL, Not this time. In US market the Bianca is about the same price as Synchronika but does not match the build quality.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage that makes sense. Thanks for the great content.
Most of these machines are very old. Which two are the newest?
Hi, Marc! Where is Morgan and Breville Dual Boiler?😆😅😂
Lol! Hi c, I miss Morgan! The BDB? I use "Machine" in the title of this video‘‘ The BDB is a fine appliance.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage ❤
I’ve been looking to upgrade my home expresso machine to a dual boiler but my bank account can’t seem to upgrade. 😂
Hi Ice, They are an investment!
Marc
Do you guys have a podcast??!
Hey v, No podcasts at this point. We did do a bunch of interactive livestreams at the start of covid.
Marc
Why did crem one not make the cut this year?
Hi Max, Crem could easily have been in there. Great machines and good pricing. Only had 5 slots in the video.
Marc
Why does the drive not make it on the list with the ecm
Hi d, This video is from 2022. The Profitec Drive was not available until late '23/early 2024. We do have this in-depth video featuring the Drive: ruclips.net/video/ouG30LITDy4/видео.html
Marc
why is the breville not included?
Hi louis, Compared to our favorites it has a lot of plastic, proprietary parts and low DIY repairability.
Why the price in the US is so much higher than the Europe? Is the exportation tax that high?
Hi CQ, Well, the machines are made in Europe so a lot more transport involved. Some are air-freight to US, majority take a boat ride. Also variations in currency exchange rates.
Marc
Why didn't you call out the Profitec Pro 500?
Hi PN, Well, the Pro 500 is a heat-exchange boiler machine and this video is for dual boiler machines. The Profitec Pro 500 is in our video Top 5 Favorite Heat Exchange Boiler Espresso Machines of 2022: ruclips.net/video/Hr9dQsK_Pck/видео.html
Marc
Rancillio minimalist design looks best
Hi FT, Thanks for sharing your opinion!
Marc
I wish espresso companies innovated more, instead of adding lipstick on a pig that is the E61 machine. It's the same old tech from 1961 with a few bells and whistles here and there. I get that these machines last a long time and are easier to repair. That's not an excuse for not innovating and providing more control during ,and feedback after pulling an espresso shot.
The real innovation is coming from an "outsider", i.e Decent Espresso. Decent machines give fantastic control and feedback. Synesso is making the ES1, which is a Decent clone with dual boiler. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow.
Why aren't there any dual boiler levas?
Hi C, hmmm... the Pro 600, Pro 700 and Synchronika are all E61 group machines with levers.
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, thanks for the reply. I cannot find an instance of a true leva-style machine with dual boilers? Meaning a boiler dedicated to the steaming wand vs a heat exchanger. I found a pro 800 with the Leva, but single boiler? Couldn't find any for the ECM with the lever. Of you can share a link or model number please share. I found one La San Marcos single group head that someone customized and added the second boiler dedicated to the steam wand, but otherwise striking out? Thanks for your help in advance.
Why didn't you include the Lelit Elizabeth or Lelit Bianca dual boiler machines?
They don’t sell them 😂
@@mesodan So should the title have been...'The top 5 dual boiler espresso machines that we sell' ?????
@@tonyb83 Mark has reviewed the Bianca before on this channel and didn’t think it was very good.
@@mesodan Please send me the link to it , just in case I can't find it. Thanks
It seems that video has been deleted. Mind you, whenever a retailer does reviews you do need to keep in mind that they aren't truly independent. Having said that, if you're wanting a machine or grinder that WLL stocks and keen to find out more then Mark's reviews are very useful. If you want a more independent review, check out individual coffee youtubers such as James Hoffmann, Kyle Russell and Lance Hendricks (just to name a few).
No Rocket machine?
Hi AAH, Sorry, not this time.
Marc
la marzocco linea mini? 😢
Hey Justin, Sorry hard to justify at nearly $6K.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks for the reply. So, you think the linea mini is overpriced? I’m opening a coffee truck and just ordered one. I hope I didn’t get ripped off.
The design of Mrs Silvia is uninspiring.
I would suggest Rancilio who have capable espresso machinery abilities, to update their design.
Similar, I would say no to the Bezzera Matrix with these side panels, but yes to the Bezzera Duo 🙂
Rancillio looks very nice especially in modern kitchens, the rest looks like a device pulled out of a spaceship. With such an amount of chrome, it's scary to touch, I wonder what the espresso machine looks like after channeling on an open portafilter🤣
Машина La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler потекла при первом же включении, рабочего давления помпа не показала. Стоит такая красивая, кнопочки горят, но совершенно бесполезная и течет по-тихому. Приобреталась в качестве подарка, не включали 15 дней, попали на гарантийный ремонт. Гарантийный ремонт в исполнении ООО "Время кухни" (продавец) и ООО "СМЕГ Руссия" (поставщик) превратился в кошмар - машинку забрали и 12 дней никакой информации. Дали телефоны 3 (трех) авторизованных центров. Первый сразу же забрал машинку, никакой информации о ее судьбе больше нет. На звонки обещают уточнить и перезвонить. Может и уточняют, но не перезванивают, следующий раз - опять обещание уточнять. Уже боязно, не мошенники ли, вернется ли машинка, опять же - какая?! Ведь если врут, значит это кому-нибудь нудно. Вкус кофе - ужасный: его нет.
Translated:
The La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler machine leaked at the first start, the pump did not show working pressure. It is so beautiful, the buttons are on, but it is completely useless and flows quietly. Purchased as a gift, did not include 15 days, got to the warranty repair. Warranty repairs performed by LLC "Kitchen Time" (seller) and LLC "SMEG Russia" (supplier) turned into a nightmare - the machine was taken away and there was no information for 12 days. Gave phone numbers of 3 (three) authorized centers. The first one immediately took the car, there is no more information about its fate. They promise to clarify and call back. Maybe they clarify, but they don’t call back, next time - again a promise to clarify.
I know you guys work so close with ECM and Profitec. The wood is a great addition but can they get rid of the chrome?
We are way beyond stainless steel and chrome in the kitchen. Look at all the colors we get even fridges now you can color match. I think you should open discussion and let's get more color. Gaggia gives you color at $500 why can't a $3,000 machine have color instead of chrome?
Even Black, White just to start...
Hi Daniel, The wood is nice! It's difficult to break the tradition of the classic stainless steel/chrome finishes! But, we are seeing some departure and there's more to come! Synchronika is available with Anthracite sine panels. Profitec Pro 400 comes in 3 colors.
Marc
Hi, Daniel, may I disagree ;-)
I specifically bought this chrome and stainless steel combination - as it is timeless. And I am very happy with my decision. If something should ever happen to my machine (what I strongly doubt), I could easily polish off the scratch from the stainless steel.
Before buying my _ECM Synchronika_ , I had a closer look at ECM’s 25th anniversary special edition. Yes, I liked the darker look of the finish - but I was afraid that within several years I would put it down to the 2022 Lifestyle…
It is like with colors for a brand new car and I noticed that I wanted to be on the “safe side” by opting for the classic look ;-)
On the other hand, my _Eureka Mignon Single Dose_ is pitch black and I even dyed the wooden parts - to make my Synchronika stick even more out on my self-made brewing bar.
It is a pleasure to have this combination in my living room when coming back from the kitchen - and my Synchronika is looking at me with its beautiful barometers and its bright green and orange _“I am ready, no matter what”_ smile…
@@anotherguycalledsmith Exactly my friend, you stick with the same old design and they can let others get new designs and colors who have an eye for design. This way we are both happy.
@@daniellanzotti2391 I mean, they are rock solid, you can do whatever you want to customize them… ;-)
In the end, it all comes down to a question of taste…
@@Wholelattelovepage stainless, chrome is timeless... and easy to clean. color fashions come and go. no thanks.
lelit bianca is the winner of the 5
Hi O, thanks for the comment. If you're about saving money at the expense of build quality that's an option. But at the same price as the E61 DB machines here it's not even close. I've been inside them all and the higher general build quality is clearly evident for the machines featured here.
@@Wholelattelovepage the correct title is "the 5 best machines that we sell in the US", but lelit bianca is better that this 5. Low and high flow, electronic preinfusion, woods, naked portafilter included, ims filters. Take a look to it.
Regards.
@@OsCorrals86 You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I stand by mine. As mentioned above I've been inside the machine and compared construction and component quality. At similar prices it's not even close.
Okay but can we talk about why every single one of these machines is ugly as sin? Why does function sacrifice style? The wood panels next to industrial stainless steel/chrome looks horrible. The 'help, my espresso machine ate my gaming computer' abomination is of its own class. The others are bland and boxy. I'm just disappointed that the best of the best require a paper bag on their head before producing incredible coffee at a remotely decent price point. Most affordable home machines with a sense of style that I've found are heat exchangers or worse :\