It's Not NATO...The OTHER Military Partnership That Lithuania Is A Part Of!
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- Опубликовано: 14 июн 2024
- Led by the United Kingdom, the Joint Expeditionary Force currently consists of 10 nations: Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Norway and Sweden. One document calls it a group of “like-minded” nations
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The only thing i can think of is "Hello, i am a military partnership and my name is JEF"
Thanks 👍
... my name jef
hahaha.. lmao.. u made the same joke and had same thing pop up in ur brain :DDDD
To put this into context.
This is a British Project. The purpose of this project is to prepare Britain and the countries it would be helping to defend for a European War. The countries involved are the ones that would participate on the Baltic Axis and the North Atlantic Axis. These are the directions of British contributions. The UK wants to cooperate with and acclimatize to all allies and potential allies in these directions. Hence Sweden and Finland joining in 2017. What Britain gets out of this is good military relations with many smaller countries that it would have to deploy to in times of war. Experience cooperating with those countries. Influence over defence decisions so that collaboration is as easy as possible; e.g. equipment purchases, organizational structure, availability ot tea kettles in all vehicles, stuff like that.
This also makes it easier for Britain to integrate units from these countries into it's own forces. e.g. Frigates as Carrier escorts, squadrons as part of RAF wings, battalions as part of British led brigades etc. If say, Sweden, wished to participate in a futue Iraq War style conflict they could simply send a battallion as part of a british brigade with no special need for training and integration, that work already having been done. This increases British infuence in general.
What the other participants get out of it. The Netherlands gets to contribute as if it were Britain writ small. The other members are ones that would need NATO, specifically British and Dutch resources to help defend themselves. With all of this being prepared and practiced small countries like Estonia or Latvia are free to make consequential decisions like to not have an air force or corvettes since allies they already are integrated with provide those services. This is uniquely valuable to a small country that couldn't afford more than one ship leaving it at risk of having the ship in repair dock when it was needed at sea; same for expensive aircraft and the even more expensive pilots.
This is also a good framework for the Iceland Defence Force since all of the common contributing members (UK, Netherlands, Denmark and Norway) are in this partnership. This also enables Iceland, which doesn't have a military, to contribute since every military deployment needs medical and logistical services Iceland can provide.
"... availability of tea kettles in all vehicles..."
This! This is the real reason! Ever since the end of the Empire the British have noticed that they can't get a decent cuppa when they're away from home. They've had to put up with microwaved hot water every time they were visiting the US and in 2012 they finally decided enough was enough! There was only one possible solution! A new version of NATO focused on security, mutual aid and a proper brew! That last part naturally meant that the Americans would not be allowed in... so they came up with a fiendish plan to get all their other allies to install proper tea-making equipment everywhere, so that the map would once again start turning a pale shade of pink (specifically, a tea stain shade of pinky brown. No, I wasn't talking about that Red Bush muck! Blah! We don't drink that!)
Thus, I propose a different name going forward, one which truly reflects the goals of this alliance: goodbye JEF and welcome the Coalition of Partners Practicing Expeditionary Response, known as Cuppa, as in "Fancy a cuppa tea?"
Cuppa! The other alliance. The better alliance. The alliance that stops fighting at 15:00 GMT because it's time for tea!
I want to add, UK is the framework nation who brings amphibious capabilities, which all other lack. So if they need an amphibious landing dock, they will use the UK ships. Germany can't provide these capabilities, nor can Poland. I guess they divided the competancies. Germany, nor Poland have to be concerned to make amphibious landings/naval side of war. JEF will do. On the other hand you can keep a conflict with... on a smaller scale, because it is not NATO, if.... tries funny things on islands, which they already announced.
@@juliane__ Exactly. The UK has a near full spectrum of capabilities and Estonia neither has a navy, nor an air-force, nor tanks, nor mechs, nor spa etc.
@@juliane__ and don't forget SSNs to patrol the GIUK gap.
@@juliane__ Uhm, the Netherlands have quite a sizeable amphibious capability too. Literally. 2 Huge ships and the Royal Netherlands Marines equipped for just that. One of the ships is integrated with the UK amphibious forces inside NATO tasks.
Great to see a group of likeminded countries who care about Northern European security, respect to Lithuania and all our other allies in the North from Britain 🇬🇧
Britain and our northern European bros 🤜
I guess we patched things up with Iceland after the cod wars lol. And that time they beat us at football. Fair play honestly. Very impressive. Especially considering Iceland has a smaller population than my city.
Pragmatic, responsive & reliable.
More power to JEF.
This is the right direction in military cooperation and security for the Baltics . Truly a northern European matter . And very important aspect that it includes a country with nuclear weapons- Great Britain .
10 of the best countries in the world 😍
Only missing Ukraine.
@@JohnHenryEden2277truth Ukraine should join too 😊
@@JohnHenryEden2277 im all th way pro UA but they need to change a lot before they can join such things sadly there is simply to much corruption with all comes from theyre history in the USSR as you may know its a Russian/USSR thing but I see the people in Ukraine really want to change so I hope it works out for them!
@@JohnHenryEden2277 BEST counties.
@@JohnHenryEden2277 why should Ukraine be able to join a alliance like this do you Think they are a mordern Nordic/place With much sea they are no better than russia only more prone to US coroption
If I see some Northern Europe collaboration Lithuania is in, I love it.
yes, they will give their 5 soldiers
@@Dripfish Well thats just an uneducated comment lmao
@@notlyxu just facts.
@@Dripfish Just uneducated.
@@notlyxu not my fault that you can't handle the truth :)
Great organisation. I am surprized never heard of one before. I am from LithuaniaI wish all the success for JEFF!
JEFF is different from JEF, and only JEFF has nukes. Less than 10, but still nukes.
You should get paid by the Lithuanian military for all the good publicity you're doing. Seriously, good job. Non-Lithuanian speakers have excellent source of information on Lithuanian military in English.
Not just military. This Canadian gentleman does incomparably better job advertising Lithuania internationally on this modest RUclips channel than well paid people in GoVilnius agency .
@@birchheights6542 Absolutely. From watching Lithuania Explain for a while now I can see that he does his research before publishing videos and is very factually accurate almost every time, which is not easy to achieve and requires time and effort.
Great video, I'm always learning something new from your channel!
Glad to see it’s an international institution not dominated by the US. Europe needs to me more independent from US influence and be ready to defend ourselves
Pretty cool. Didn't know about this.
If Trump does as he threatens? If Hungary and others become more aligned with Russia in the future? Then alliances like this make sense.
So not being NATOs bitch means alingning with russia?
All of these countries rely one way or another on naval access, Poland mainly trades with Germany (27%) and Germany mainly trades with China.
So Poland can relax and focus on Not-Jeff things, while Germany can rely on the Dutch for primary Naval export/Import.
This Jeff sounds like a great guy.
"Thanks again for watching"
Well, thanks again for sharing interesting things!
Thank you 👍 Greetings to 🇱🇹 from 🇸🇪
This partnership is BY FAR much better then NATO .... simply because you have less weak 'politicians' whom might send you help in words instead of force (see Ukraine) .
Ukraine is not in NATO thus your argument is invalid.
@@user-tm6wg5xt8v no it is still not in NATO, because of ... same weak politicians
Also no direct control from usa.
This is a coalition i would trust and fight for.
@@Dasistrite Indeed.
Ukraine is NOT part of Core of NATO; they are, however, part of NATO's Partnership for Peace and they are aligned with NATO like Sweden and Finland has been for decades.
Not me thinking this was Jeff, the non-state entey with "
"I can't believe it's not NATO"
Hello! Again a nice video uploaded 😃 Sending love and luck to everyone , especially to my baltic friends!
❤ Loving this topic. It’s completely new to me and very interesting how you presented it. Thank you!
Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪💕 🇱🇹
Hej Riks kompis
eller ska man säga troll kompis 🙂
@@christer8964 Spotta ut potäterna så jag kan höra vad du försöker säga! 👍
I never heard about JEF. I find it amazing, I like it much more than NATO
All the alliances. They're all good.
The Dutch have had intensive trade relations with the Scandinavian countries (Northern Germany) and the Baltic states since about 1300 (the Hanze). So they feel very close to them.
Well done!
My name is Jef
We're getting there. I'm french but i find this covenant extraordinary. It has to expand in commerce and other side of living. JEF is the answer.
Another advantage would be not just the immediate support butvthe potential to grow support.
Article 5 of natos charter says that their will be a disscusion. No guarantee of action. JEF invokes an imediate response which then means a block of nato countries are involved. That could force the nato discussion to action or at least speed up the process.
This is like the Nordic union defense. Great stuff. :)
This formed about the Baltic because of the countries that were previously left out of NATO.
Good stuff! Goooo Lithuania!
We in New Zealand have had some good basketball games against you with our "Tall Blacks"!
Hey what a cute little alliance! What's your name?
My name is Jef
JEF looks like Knud d. Store's North Sea Empire. Just think of it like that ;-)
Purely a guess but being so new and in flux, it seems Poland would likely join soon…
I definitely think we need a northern alliance in Europe, as a complement to NATO, as I think that unfortunately a lot of NATO countries especially in the south of Europe are just free-riding and not pulling their weight. They would not really be reliable allies if the worst comes to the worst, just look at the lack of help they give Ukraine, while most northern and Eastern European countries are carrying the weight of supporting Ukraine.
What is remarkable is that the Dutch land army is actually under German command. Or it is very integrated into the German army units. So why isn't Germany a member? On the other hand, the Belgian navy is integrated into the Dutch navy. The Belgian and Dutch naval personnel are taught at the same naval school and wear the same naval uniforms. Many Belgian naval ships are also moored in the Dutch naval port of Den Helder. The Dutch also work intensively with the Belgian air force, so the Belgians could well have participated.
I feel reassured that JEF is active.
Now we need a video about the NB8
it is weird that germany isn´t in JEF but the netherlands is
the dutch army is integrated into the german structure
Navy and air force arn't.
@@_vdm_ yeah i sayed Army not military
@@baronbrummbar8691 Isnt it only 1 brigade that's integrated?
@@duncandl910 3 combat brigades
wich is the entire regular dutch army
@@duncandl910 the navy, marines, gendarmire and airforce aren´t integrated
News to me an very interesting. Thanks
How is an engagement of/on the JEF not going to trigger article 5 of NATO/OTAN? Still think is it a good idea that this is active.
Why Germany, Belgium, and Poland aren't members doesn't make sense to me.
JEF is an alliance of naval forces. Germany and Poland have more land based armies. JEF understands naval warfare the best. Vikings, Homefleet and VOC maritime experience all in 1 :)
Talking of JEF and you mentioned France and Germany not being in it.
The U.K. and France are in another partnership, CJEF, Combined Joint Expeditionary Forces, founded in 2010.
Thanks. Although I wonder why they decided to call this 10-nation partnership such a similar name
Canada is north too!
Canada? Hell no.
An organisation called 'Jef' led by us that I didn't know about??? How?
Alliance with Baltic States and without Poland is just ... strange.
Iceland as a JEF member is strange they have no army, no airforce, no navy just a few coast guard ships
Iceland would probably serve has a logistics hub/base (medical personnel ect).
Iceland is a big aircraft carrier and naval base blocking russian northern fleet which is only fleet they can operate. Their Baltic fleet is blocked anyway to operate anywhere if they do something even more stupid. btw. Baltic states dont have a navy or airforce either.
The actual based alliance
JEF seems like it's good for smaller responses where deployment speed is the main concern. It's not capable of taking on nation states engaged in direct warfare, but should be better suited than NATO at countering small terrorism and sabotage.
They should give the alliance a cool name like The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, but that's a long name so many just a shorter version
Britain only needs its nordic brothers, nato is oversized and woud be difficult to command
The Netherlands and UK have similar Navy vessels.
I love this❤. Its a tiny taste of my wet dream of Super Scandinavia. So my answer to your tiny rent at 1:28 is that its a gather of one family binded by blood,history,culture and language. Examples of what I am talking about you can read about the Danlaw,Swedish Empier and what the name of Estonias capital means and its coat of arms. Yes a lot gose back to the viking age and Germanic history. Its actually a bit funny now that I think about it becaus Lithuania has the "weakest family" link as I can only think of there was a princess(i cant remember name and date) that was going to merry a Swedish king to becom part of Sweden but it never happend. Then there was the Teutonic Order messing around there and the fact that they are blood brother to Latvia. And that Lithuania is part of Nordic-Baltic Eight and a observer state in the Nordic Council. You know what after listing and remembering that I withdraw the "weakest family" link statemant. You should do a video about this family links or if you have already done point me in the direction. There are other family members missing in JEF but all in due time😊. Also I cant stop thinking of the meme "My name is JEFF"😂😂😂😂 Great video🎉
If Richelieu’s strategy back in the day, of Balkanizing the Baltic had not worked out, Scandinavia would probably already contain/ be a major regional power like in the 30 years war back in the 17th century.
It’s a good way for the Baltic based nations to act in the high North as a group, this is like Desert combat highly specialised and would not suit the NATO remit which was designed primarily for defence of the European plan from the East which large divisions. Encroachment into the High North is a requires great logistical knowledge in hostile environments allowing the Nordic and Baltic nations to monitor and control their neighbourhood and when needed bringing in Dutch and U.K. forces to fill in equipment and manpower gaps as needed. I’m just a little surprised Canadians are part of this along with the Nordic Nations it’s the only other nation with the knowledge and equipment to operate in the high North. It would probably have a better impact than British forces should anything happen on a large scale.
Sounds suspiciously like the WEU. 😊😊😊
I think it is a natural response to Hungary and Turkey trying to paralyze NATO while Trump seems luke warm about the NATO project overall.
Very sound conclusion.
It's also a (tacit) alternative to the ever trumpeted but never actualised EU defence force, which the French are continually trying to establish. Those JEF member countries who are also part of the EU are the ones who always got on well with the UK when we were in the EU and are a bit wary of talk about an EU defence force because (as with all things the EU gets involved with) they want practical and effective cooperation without Defence (with a big D) becoming something the EU takes over as a 'competency' (a fancy word for "we're in charge of this now - not you as a nation-state").
I think Trump is reflecting the annoyance of many Americans with NATO countries not paying their share i.e. the US spend 4.4% on defence, Canada spends 1.6%!
@@johnallen7807 except that comparison is totally disingenuous.
The USA does not spend 4% of GDP on NATO. The USA spends 4% of GDP on total defence, including spending in the Pacific and in the Americas. Most NATO countries have no interest in spending on the defence of Taiwan or Japan, so why should they be asked to contribute to that spending? The amount the USA spends on NATO, when you remove its defence spending of other parts of the world would probably be not too dissimilar to the spending of many other NATO countries. Canada may be a different matter as NATO was never really designed to defend Canada in the way it has committed to defending Poland (which spends 3% of its GDP completely on NATO since it has no interest in having military commitments in other parts of the world).
@@Hfil66 I didn't say it did! Without the US backing NATO would not have lasted as long, what we should be doing is looking at what our enemies like China and Russia are spending. My country in particular knows the costs of not being prepared for war!
NATO is politics, JEF is not. NATO is a lot about financial stakes, JEF is not. Both have military capabilities. This coalition which has the closest cultural similarities amongst it's members, compared to any other options. There can really not be added any more countries into JEF.
Viking stuff
G.A.R.Y. ! 🙃
Wonder why isn't Poland in
Hello my name Jef
More likely NORDIC COUNTRIES 😹😹😹
Does Iceland have a miltary 🤷
I wish Boris Johnson and others in the Anglosphere would learn that Iceland and Finland aren't Scandinavian. They're Nordic.
As a Swede, I can tell you that many of us are pretty fuzzy on that topic as well. We're a bit closer to Norway and Denmark culturally due to the shared language, but I don't really hear many Swedes use the term "Scandinavia" to make that distinction.
[1] Resultant from the Biden administration's inability to timely overcome foundational political, congressional equivocation, Republican opposition/obstruction together with its failure to both obtain and maintain seamless anti-Russian political support among the leadership of all NATO countries, further underscored by its failure to timely deliver even the minimum requisite military support required to prevent a regression of Ukrainian military advances on the ground, Russia with Belarus, have developed and are currently refining plans for an attack upon Lithuania and Poland in 2025.
[2] Inability, and/or unwillingness of NATO to both timely fabricate and deliver such defensive weaponry in the context of Ukraine, constitutes a significant artifact of Western military weakness. Within the territory of Belarus now resides nuclear weapons obtained from Russia, a significant deterrent against NATO military action against Belarus.
[3] The aforementioned information comes from multiple senior Belarussian military personnel directly involved in the planning phase. Justification for the invasion is establishment of a land path to Kaliningrad during a time of perceived Western weakness and equivocation, devolution of the situation in Ukraine constituting exhibit one, reelection of Trump being exhibit two, with reelection of Biden, an alternative exhibit two, continued Republican control of the House, exhibit three, and Republican's gaining control of the Senate, exhibit four.
/s/ M.P.
The British would refer to it as "Geoffrey"
My name is Jeeeff. The meme 😂
Grab Poland in there and you have a great force
Hmm...except for the Netherlands all the countries have a shared heritage from the Norse. It's a stretch, but that is the only unifying thing I can think of... All countries also have a maritime heritage.
Britain has quite a lot of history with the Dutch - as both friend and foe - even supporting them in their rebellion against the Spanish in the 16th century, and the English language is most closely related to Dutch, but I don't think heritage and history is what the basis of this alliance consists of, rather, modern geopolitics. I can imagine part of it is also the need for supremacy of the Baltic Sea. If the Northern European nations can militarily cooperate with one another effectively the Russians will be sent running to Moscow in no time!
Lithuania? Never heard of it. Is it in South America?
Jeff is a short version of Jeffrey (OK, one f is missing but who cares). And that's what I found: "Jeffrey has roots in German, meaning "pledge of peace". Cool coincidence!
did you forget the EU
Did most of the EU move their countries to northern Europe when nobody was looking?
@@saundyuk
your point is
@@thodan467 valid?
@@saundyuk
Sorry, but i do Not get your point
@@thodan467 JEF is a cooperative pact between northern European countries. The EU consists of many nations that are (by definition) not northern European. It's not that the EU was 'forgotten' as you put it - it was never considered in the first place.
Tiny numbers! Europe needs to wake up and take defence seriously. The UK has a population of nearly 70 million yet an Army of just over 70 thousand, smaller than it was at the time of Waterloo in 1815 when the population was about 7 million!
Basically the uk is the backbone and is 90 percent of this coalition
🇬🇧 🇱🇹🫡
Dey are allies of Wussia
Yea the composition doesn't make much sense to me either. I'd prefer a baltic coalition with simply all nations that touch the baltic sea (except Russia ofc). That would make infinitely more sense.
Mynamejef
The guy said "scandinavian countries" and named north europian countries... that geography is shit
All the so called Nordic countries are always lumped together as Scandinavian despite not all of them being in Scandinavia. But I guess I don't mind.
I mean Sweden and Norway are the two real Scandinavian countries, I don't count Denmark because it's just not physically connected to the peninsula which is named "Scandinavia". Some people like to count-in Finland, Denmark, and Iceland so that their feelings aren't hurt but meeh... The age of emotional thinking is way overdue.
Partly Finland is located on the Scandinavian peninsula. Lithuania, 🇱🇹 is a Baltic country with Estonia 🇪🇪 and Latvia 🇱🇻. They are not members of the Nordic council. Nordic countries are Norway 🇸🇯 Finland 🇫🇮 Denmark 🇩🇰 Sweden 🇸🇪 and Iceland 🇮🇸. They are all members of the Nordic council.
@@butterflies655 In geographic terms it would be as silly to call Finland Scandinavian because only the northwestern "arm" of and little bit more of Finland extends all the way to the penninsula, and even that depends on exactly where the mainland ends and the penninsula begins, which might seem arbitrary to define. We might prefer to use another, more descriptive term fennoscandia if we mean to include Finland under that term.
@@user-ko1hi1fy9z At least in Finland we always wonder why is Finland called a Scandinavian country in international contexts. We don't generally use that description ourselves.
When you say '...a certain hostile nation...' and talk about them attacking critical infrastructure did you really mean the US blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline?
My name is Jeff
5:25 stronk independent boss babes.. im sure russia is shivering seeing all these female soldiers.... :D
My name is Jef