Blizzard was already down this path before being bought out by Activision. While Activision has made things worse, let's not look at Blizzard with rose tinted glasses.
My problem is that their cash shops and item shops run flawlessly while crucial gameplay systems in D4, Wow, etc have remained broken for months, if not years.
Soon as these companies become publicly traded is when they start to slowly decay. The purpose isn't to make good fun games. Their only purpose is money. And by law they have to attsmpt to make more money than the last year. Indy games and small companies are the only ones who can make fun games because they don't have obligations to investors trying to turn their dollar into 10.
They didn't bother to add a "are you sure?" button to the premium battlepass. Sure you could say that was intentional, but it could also be short-sighted stupidity.
I would describe Asmon's attitude on Warcraft as aggressively indifferent. You can tell that this sort of thing does bother him, but he has no energy left to rage against it.
As someone who has never touched WoW, listening to Asmon's takes on the game (and Blizzard in general) is like listening to your dad vent in the next room while you play as a kid.
The problem with the whole "think of the poor developers" angle is that you can interact with these people directly through twitter / see them interact with other people and they are some of the most unlikable people I have ever seen.
blizzard killed itself with diversity pushed on them due to all lawsuits and drama around lgbtq bullsheet. Thats what happens to all media, they hire people based on their ethnicity and skin colour, not their skills or passion for the game, pure racism and i dont even feel sorry for them to be honest, id rather watch blizzard burn in rainbow flames then see them drop a good game again lol, for some reason usa thinks white people are bad, when in reality, this world was made by white men in 90%, including blizzard and every single franchise Blizzard has had in the past... all that destroyed by woke staff with no idea what they do in this company other than posting rainbows and orcs on tweeter
Bobby literally killed every video game i enjoyed. The games stopped being FUN the moment they decided that my subscription/retail price of the game is not good enough for Bobby.
These people at Blizzard have a bright future in politics. False promises they never delivered on to a large population and no accountability, typical.
I think after all this time, I am finally done with Blizzard. I was there from the very start(played The Lost Vikings and then of course the first Warcraft games and the first Diablo). Diablo 4 was the latest and it has proved to me once and for all that they are too far removed from the innovative and ground breaking developers they used to be. Their clear and main focus is milking people of as much money as possible. It is not just them though, it's the way of the whole AAA games industry. I think a lot of younger people think we are in a golden age of gaming but I disagree. I think the overall state of things is shockingly bad. Of course there are some great games still coming out, there always will be. But there is just so much hyped up junk coming from such big studios that I'm at a point where I've lost faith with just about all developers.
I remember hooking up the boomerang adapter for the SNES so my whole family could play Lost Vikings. I was a fan of Blizzard before I even knew I was a fan of Blizzards. Now they absolutely disgust me and so does anyone else who still defends them. They sold their souls to Activision. So sad.
@@SkeleTonHammer The sad truth is that most people don't understand this, they still think it's the same Blizzard that gave us Warcraft 1-3, Diablo 1 and 2, SC, WoW, etc. All of those devs are long gone and all that remains are the franchise names that carry the sales.
6:06 this is what irks me the most because people like asmon are constantly telling people how bad micro transactions are getting and to stop they need to just stop playing the game but they don’t want to do that and when the company pulls another BS micro transaction stunt like selling power ups the players want to act all suprised that the company dosnt give a shit about them. The real fucked yo part though is that after all that they will keep playing the game
I've tried explaining this to my group of friends and the response I get basically every time is "I enjoy this game so I'm going to play it." Or "when another game comes out that interests me more maybe I'll stop playing." Unfortunately it just keeps them engaged and for some, willing to spend more money for less effort.
"A slippery slope is an argument that claims an initial event or action will trigger a series of other events and lead to an extreme or undesirable outcome. The slippery slope fallacy anticipates this chain of events without offering any evidence to substantiate the claim."
@@sigigle Okay fair enough but, at what point does history showing that things regularly do play out the way the slippery slope argument predicted make it no longer a fallacy? I feel like using common sense, logic, and history to make an educated prediction about the effects of something should not be considered a fallacy. For example, gacha and microtransactions in paid games. Many years ago, many gamers claimed microtransactions would eventually come to paid triple A games. At that time a lot of people called that a slipery slope fallacy. And here we are today.
@@LethalShadow It's the evidence that makes a slippery slope argument a valid or a fallacious one. Asmon's explanation is 100% correct. Some people will say: "But that's a slippery slope argument" as if that invalidates it when it doesn't. They've just heard there's such a thing as a slippery slope fallacy and so think they're always fallacious when they're not. Fallacious slippery slope arguments are really just non-sequitur fallacies: "a conclusion that does not follow from the statements that lead to it".
37:00 the reason for this is simple: They did not fuck up. This was the plan all along. Why charge the player 60 bucks and he's never paying you money again, if you can instead make the player pay 25 bucks every 3 month for 3 years?
It's like trying to control a protest. It's impossible to unify a bunch of people from all over the world towards dealing with a single company. Or at least, way too hard. In reality, it'd take influencers like Asmond and probably 40+ others, like AngryJoe. Pewds. Mark. Every single massive gaming oriented influencer to come together and organize a boycott. Asmongold has a better chance of succeeding than a bunch of random internet strangers. So it's on him as much as it's on anyone else. In my personal opinion, the only way to destroy these practices is outright outlawing them in major gaming markets. And doing what everyone was scared of doing, which is putting the government in control of game ratings, because the ESRB has proven itself incapable of self monitoring.
@@JJokerMoreau The FTC's job is to moderate monopolies in any industry. And unfortunately they failed to do so and made it seem as though Sony's best interests were at stake, when in reality it was about protecting consumers against monopolization like Microsoft tends to lean towards, which is why they bought blizzard to begin with.
@@zephpanyanouvong7071 I'd think you'd be hard pressed to argue a monopoly of the gaming market. In fact, extremely hard pressed. But you're not wrong in a sense... Microsoft is trying to consolify video games, and if steam ever faltered, they'd for sure start charging for "internet" services for PC gamers. While I understand hating big companies is popular, as is capitalism, my main desire isn't to see major government oversight of products or the market so much as simply restricting "types" of sales. You can sell a game. You can sell a cosmetic. You can sell weapon. You sell a game, cosmetic, or weapon through a random dice roll or through trading in magical booku bucks you bought with real money then we have a real problem. Lootboxes, special currency, and yes, even battlepasses have muddied the market and caused immense damage to the quality of products. All while the US courts STILL do not recognize in game purchases as having value. Allowing a company to sell you things for outrageous prices, then close down a month later without warning or recompense. It is BEYOND simply anti-consumer.
ROCK AND STONE! yeah, DRG battlepass is awesome. You get an earnable unlock tree, the battle pass progression path, its all free, and its all dumped into the normal loot pool at the end of season...and each season is actually new mechanics and events.
Breathing a sigh of relief b/c I broke the vicious cycle and walked away from blizzard/Activision. The final straw for me was the glaring D4 issues and instead of addressing them they did an update to the shop lol. For anyone still playing, I hope you are enjoying it, but all I can see are things getting worse.
Its his job though, he earns money for it. Why have principles when you can get money and its your career? I get that. The normal people who complain but still buy the newest storemount and in the next breath complain about Blizzard? Those people are the problem.
@@ouromov2895 Yeah, well, I mean... I doubt he's earning big money with this shit. Big money would definitely justify being such a shill, but other than that? Nah. He's just an unpaid Blizzard PR-manager who's still hoping to come across a gold ore vein by doing so.
Asmon used the default defense people bring up regarding microtransactions, “who cares, you don’t have to buy this shit, it’s not related to power”. The bottom line is, this monetization mindset of Activision is what holds back essentially all of their games now. Best example of this is D4. The time played metric and cosmetic/battle pass sales is completely driving the game and it’s development decisions. Every single thing is examined and decided upon based off of metrics and money. So you end up with devs who can’t make decisions on their own. They are asked to reduce respec costs, ok we’ll reduce them by 40%, buttttt not right away, the cost reduction will scale up over time. Why? To nickel and dime the players and still keep the game slowed down because you still won’t have enough to respec so you’ll have to go farm some gold. It’s the most mind numbing thing to deal with. They said “play your way”. I look at respeccing in D4 with total dread due to cost and time I waste reallocating 200+ paragon points. It’s not fun to experiment with new builds at all, it’s a chore. Probably the key reason I quit D4. So my point is, if you’re a person who says they don’t mind the monetization and predatory behavior, then you can’t complain about the quality of the game because they go hand in hand. 💯
@@silviuvisan505 No joke, I showed one of my friends who doesn't play WoW a side-by-side of Gallywix and Kotick and she said "You can't tell me that's not his self-insert character."
28:30 Because they want to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of their players. Why do you think it takes 8 months of weekly challenges to unlock a legendary skin?
My favorite lootbox system was Mass Effect Online. You earned credits from playing the game, not from money, then used those to purchase varying sized loot boxes that contained different weapons, armors, bosts, etc. It was a great gameplay loop and tons of fun. I think later they ended up making it where you could buy them with money, and it was a lot less fun then.
how about no lootboxes at all? im playing bg3 and its great. a complete game for 60€ and no microtransaction. until bg3 i thought i lost fun in playing games cause im getting close to 30 but no. this game proved to me that it is not me but the industry producing crap games. bg3 is amazing and i will only buy games that have follow the same path as bg3 now. a full game, no microtransactions.
@@Valkyraw I'm 200 hours in BG3 and I can tell you have not played through the game yet. Act3 is not complete. There is huge amount of cut content. The game is still very good but it's obviously not a 10/10.
@@Valkyraw just had to shoehorn in that irrelevant point to this comment didn’t you. Just couldn’t help yourself lol. ME multiplayer nostalgia?? NOT ON THIS GUYS WATCH 🤣
@@HansWurst1569 im 80 hours into the game and at the beginning of act 3 now. i dont know if content is cut or not, i cant tell. so far it didnt feel like it. yes of of course no game is 10/10, because no game is ever perfect. theres always room for improvement, but still i love this game because compared to all other games released in the past years it feels the most complete, just like elden ring. Also act 1 alone is worth more than the entirety of diablo 4.
I broke away from all Blizzard games after the Warcraft 3 Reforged shit, and I don't think I'll regret that decision. That being said, being right doesn't exactly fill me with joy, and I hope to god something changes with Blizzard because this is just depressing.
Sad to see how asmon is getting more and more complacent with the shit that is going on in the gaming community. I remember when he tried to make a stand against it, rile the community against it, trying to make a statement.....now he is just "Whatever i dont care"
Ez content, ez money, why have principles when its your business? Complaining about blizzard is his bread and butter, its kinda funny when you think about it. I don't blame him or Bellular for that, it's their job.
He tried for years and years and nothing changed, it's clear gamers just don't actually care so why not just make money off the fake gamer rage over microtransactions.
@@Invie4196Blizzard does the same thing with microtransactions, so why are people complaining? Anything is okay morally as long as you’re doing it for money.
2:06 off topic, but wtf who carries a dog like this??? 36:53 beyond getting fired, I feel like working at Bliz at this moment would be extremely depressing and I feel like I would have quit, imagine having to work on something that you know everyone hates and getting constantly shit on for decisions you cant control
28:58 imagine if you could see what's in the battle pass and you got a lootbox per tier. You would get all the content randomly throughout the battle pass. It would add a surprise effect ❤
I can already see how predatory this system could be. The illusion that you can finish a battle pass at level 10, front loading the cost of the battle pass, giving fast pass "purpose" through the illusion that you can cheese the battle pass. Oof. The list goes on.
You're talking about Blizzard, the game company that still charges 20-30 dollars to unlock characters in the moba that they took out behind the shed and shot three+ years ago. Anyone surprised by their predatory practices have been wearing their nostalgia goggles too long.
The people vs Marketers is the final boss IRL. Marketers run Blizzard now, and like the great Bill Hicks once said, "If you are in marketing do us all a favor a k*** youreself, no seriously, you are satan, this part of the show is not a joke" And that was in the 90's. Now we need songs like Rich men north of Richmond to remind us they keep us divided on purpose.
and still have a sub par Expansion at least for all that Milking they woud have made amazing and fun expantion but they just do minimum effort and cash out alot from the remaining player base
I've stopped caring. I regret spending the additional $40 or so dollars for the extra shit in D4. I have no desire to even play the game. There's no incentive, no fun, and no value in continuing a seasonal character. BG3 is infinitely superior to anything blizzard related at this point.
Sort of. Just because someone has authority in a subject doesn't mean it's correct. Appeal to authority is when you ignore the facts and instead just take them at their word
@@rockbandandghmaster Of course an authority can be wrong. Still, there is a reason why things like peer review exist. If, for example, you want to know whether drinking mercury is bad, you should value the opinion of a doctor more than those of a redditor. In absence of own expertise the best you can do is to look at the expert consensus (if there is one) since no matter how smart you are, it would be hybris to assume you can figure it our better on the fly.
@@skellumfh An assertion does not become truer if more people vote for it or believe in it. Peer review has nothing to do with the truth of an assertion. Truth is independent of a viewer's opinion - educated or not.
@@lagarttemido ok, but how do you know if something is true? If you have extensive knowledge on a topic you can come to your own conclusion, but in a modern context you simply can't know everything yourself. And then expert opinion is the next best substitute, since it is generally reasonable to assume that experts know what they're talking about. It is an epistemic claim, not an ontological one, just like a positive pregnancy test doesn't make someone pregnant but if a test is positive you have reason to assume she is.
@@skellumfh This is actually not only a strawman used for your example, but also a perfect example of where APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is an actual fallacy. The reality is that you DON'T need a doctor to tell you the effects of mercury poisoning. It's so well understood, so covered, so easy to look up that a Redditor COULD and ACCURATELY explain to you what the effects of it are. The whole point of why APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is a FALACY is because you're using it to dismiss someone else's argument outright instead of explaining to them how they're wrong.
45:25 that's why I love Magic so much, at my local game shop I could drop 200 dollars on fuckin packs and it becomes an infinite money glitch, that 200 gets you thousands of dollars in value if you learn what cards are worth $20+ and you aren't gonna use (even if you WILL use the card, keep your 4 copies you need for a deck trade the rest). Back then there was one Mythic rare in particular I knew I would never put in a deck, the card was worth 25 bucks and I was pulling one every couple packs. That card single-handedly bought me almost a hundred packs cause of how often I pulled it, and that's on top of the other cards I was trading in on top of that (store only ever did store credit tho so it all went back into cards lmao). All these cards, completely fucking free to me (besides my 200 dollar "entry fee") AND making the store money cause the guy would go sell them online. Never spent another dime on cards in that shop again, if I needed a pack I just opened one of my spares.
i feel so old watching these videos with what the current multiplayer era is doing.....i don't know how old asmongold is but damn, him being so involved to recognize this shit immediately. i still play COD2 MP since 2006 and i never felt the need to go after anything current, levels, skins, battlepasses, microtransactions and all other kinda crap....you will say yeah ok boomer and i will take this as a compliment because i played in the era that you played your game with your hands and not your credit card, what do you mean unlockable textures for your guns and clothes ? who the fuck cares, this isn't a fashion show :| put me in a death match or team death match and leave my alone to play with my skills alone
@@Ko700elcod 2 had multiplayer? i had no idea; that’s cool. i played cod 3 but on the wii so it didn’t have mp😂 the campaign was cool tho. bo1 is my fav cod tho great campaign, zombies , and mp
I just gave up on D4 today, I barely played since before the season came out, so I'm not burnt out from grinding, but I just can't get any enthusiasm to log in. I tried to play a little while this morning, got from 14 to 16 on my season character, and the game crashed in the middle of the story dungeon I was in. I have no desire to try again, as its clear this company does not give a single shit about the game.
While most big studios making garbage products is a big problem as Asmongold stated it's the dung eaters applauding devs giving them more dung everytime. I've felt like this for many years now. People don't like being called that though so meaningful discussions about it never happened.
Mobile game players have ruined gaming. If it wasn't for them willing to give out money anytime they get impatient we wouldn't even have these issues. Thanks Farmville and thank you people who paid Farmville.
I've had an active WoW sub since january 2005. I just finally canceled it for the first time ever last month. I feel like my account cancelling should have sounded immediate alarms everywhere in the building lol.
Asmond talks about people eating sh*t therefore making companies feed them sh*t And literally 2 min later he looks at the sh*t blizzard is feeding him and he’s like “I mean I don’t really mind this” It gives off “I’m not like other girls” energy so hard lmao
Once Blizzard started selling gold it was all over. It doesn't matter what else they sell because like you said gold can buy you everything you want. So you're right because the tipping point was when they cut the middle man out and cornered the market with gold. Look at when it was "illegal" to purchase gold, I heard about it but I never once even looked into it because if you get caught that's your character, your account, and your time gone. Now that Blizzard sells it so many more people purchase gold these days and it is making the game worse.
I like the idea of the Trading Post. I haven't played the game since Legion after I quit in WoD in the first tier. And as Asmon say, I have always been anti store, we knew this was going to happen. However, you have 1k tender a month, there is no reason for a normal person to collect them all. You won't use it all. And if you must have it all, then you are the cause for this to happen in the first place
My guess on the "loading all the stuff in the other players stash" is that they just threw in the entire player object instead of making some logic to pick and choose the relevant attributes needed by players seeing the other player. Lazy coding >.>
I feel like more and more people are concerned with how their characters look rather than how the character interacts with the game. I guess there’s nothing wrong with that, but gaming to me was always about the gameplay
13:50 Fallacies are simply a teaching tool for learning different kinds of argumentation. Simply saying “that’s X fallacy” is never valid. In order to dispute the validity of an argument you need to actually prove it’s validity. Just citing a fallacy and even giving a description of that fallacy is akin to “I’m just right and you’re wrong”. In what reality is that ever a valid argument in debate? It’s like writing the answer to math problem as large range of numbers and not showing any work. In the end it’s irrelevant whether the range is true. That’s not how debates work. This is self evident by the fallacy fallacy but of course the regular online Andy doesn’t study fallacies, they cite them whenever they think a statement matches the fallacy’s description.
I hope shitting on the d4 stash loading issue becomes a persistent meme to the point where I have to break out the lore scroll to explain it to my grandkids
FFXIV does a similar thing to the trading post just flipped. They have events with limited time mounts or glam and then sell them on the store a little while after the event. It incentivizes you to play the game and not miss it so you can save money, where blizzard is going that greedy fomo impulse buy tactic. This is probably why you won't be able to afford whole sets too lol
and the same people complaining about Blizzard will still shill the next WoW expansion and the lemmings will eat it up. this cycle got old many years ago.
45:06 i have to strongly disagree, TCGs make a lot of sense online, surely HearthStone is no match to MTGs far superior ruleset, but the digital aspect makes gameflow so much more smooth. the time wasted shuffling decks alone is insane, drafting takes way less time, rules are enforced correctly (99% of the time at least...) i wouldnt go back to play IRL after having played MTG on MTGO/Arena/Forge
the reason why theyre not selling traders standalone like gold is because selling it bundled with stuff players may or may not want at a higher price point is more profitable in the end
I used to play a ton of RS3 back in the day (pre and post EOC as well as maxing on OSRS. I swear that introducing loads of cosmetics and currencies to buy them dilutes the game so much and adds so much unneeded confusion for returning/new players. It's literally like flipping an off switch for potential players when they see it.
Blizzard doesnt exist, its just Activision puppeteering a corpse.
Activation doesn't exist, it's just a bunch of military companies parading flashing lights around.
and gaming scene is applauding with their wallets ... "we" ask for being scammed!
Indeed. Blizzard is consumed by activision. the old Blizzard is gone
You mean activision doesn't exist, its just Microsoft puppeteering a rotting corpse.
Blizzard was already down this path before being bought out by Activision. While Activision has made things worse, let's not look at Blizzard with rose tinted glasses.
My problem is that their cash shops and item shops run flawlessly while crucial gameplay systems in D4, Wow, etc have remained broken for months, if not years.
Soon as these companies become publicly traded is when they start to slowly decay.
The purpose isn't to make good fun games. Their only purpose is money. And by law they have to attsmpt to make more money than the last year.
Indy games and small companies are the only ones who can make fun games because they don't have obligations to investors trying to turn their dollar into 10.
Just wait till they go for broke and add the patches to the shop. Game breaking bug? Thats a 40 dollar tag. Lmao
Blizzard is not the problem, people (ballless, gamers with no principals) who buy their products sight unseen like Asmongold are the problem.
Lowkey true tho @@dcarter1898
They didn't bother to add a "are you sure?" button to the premium battlepass. Sure you could say that was intentional, but it could also be short-sighted stupidity.
I would describe Asmon's attitude on Warcraft as aggressively indifferent. You can tell that this sort of thing does bother him, but he has no energy left to rage against it.
After 10 years of telling people they are dipshits for supporting something like that. I would be tired too. Mad but tired
it's just the voice of disappointment anymore...can't even be mad...just disappointed anymore.
I can understand. At first I was absolutely furious. Then came depression. Then came indifference. Now I feel nothing but humored.
All bark no bite
this is what happens when you're over the age of 25 and continues well into your 30s. join the club lol
Only in the video game industry and politics can you outright lie to people and still succeed hand over fist.
What's the common denominator in those 2 entirely different things?
@@NicoleKisa What I said above, that people can outright lie, mislead and manipulate people with little to no consequence.
@@NicoleKisa "money" - Mr. Crabs, 2002
ppl who pushed shitcoin crypto mah dude
@@NicoleKisahmmmm, stupid people having hope?
As someone who has never touched WoW, listening to Asmon's takes on the game (and Blizzard in general) is like listening to your dad vent in the next room while you play as a kid.
Bobby is a max level Necromancer and blizzard is a giant undead.
Troo
Accurate.
"Its Bobby's world, we just live in it" - Some rich neckbeard
I got perma banned for sayin that in a bg bro
Dont say it ingame...
your comment is one of a midwit. He is rich too so what? im not seeing him destroying a beloved company
So flats
He is the Goblin King, respect. He speaks the truth, 80% of the time and trolls the other 20% hahaha
The problem with the whole "think of the poor developers" angle is that you can interact with these people directly through twitter / see them interact with other people and they are some of the most unlikable people I have ever seen.
blizzard killed itself with diversity pushed on them due to all lawsuits and drama around lgbtq bullsheet. Thats what happens to all media, they hire people based on their ethnicity and skin colour, not their skills or passion for the game, pure racism and i dont even feel sorry for them to be honest, id rather watch blizzard burn in rainbow flames then see them drop a good game again lol, for some reason usa thinks white people are bad, when in reality, this world was made by white men in 90%, including blizzard and every single franchise Blizzard has had in the past... all that destroyed by woke staff with no idea what they do in this company other than posting rainbows and orcs on tweeter
If game developers are some of the worst people you've ever seen I'd say you don't have much to complain about lol
Everytime he starts with the "it had to load in everything" line I loose it.
Do ya?
I hold it in
Lol its just such a piss poor excuse.
Blizzard is better at creating memes than games these days.
Feels pretty good to not give this company money anymore. You should all try it.
Bobby literally killed every video game i enjoyed. The games stopped being FUN the moment they decided that my subscription/retail price of the game is not good enough for Bobby.
These people at Blizzard have a bright future in politics. False promises they never delivered on to a large population and no accountability, typical.
Mf, stop going out of your way to point out something literally no one gives a shite about.@@Grunbeldknight
So just the Trump of videogames.
you are talking like there where/are good indie-games in politics ... sry, good optional parties in gaming!
This comment looks familiar
@@no_problem8023 idk man, Biden administration is the worst one yet.
"The frog's been dead for five years, it's not going to mind" had me in stitches.
I think after all this time, I am finally done with Blizzard. I was there from the very start(played The Lost Vikings and then of course the first Warcraft games and the first Diablo). Diablo 4 was the latest and it has proved to me once and for all that they are too far removed from the innovative and ground breaking developers they used to be. Their clear and main focus is milking people of as much money as possible. It is not just them though, it's the way of the whole AAA games industry. I think a lot of younger people think we are in a golden age of gaming but I disagree. I think the overall state of things is shockingly bad. Of course there are some great games still coming out, there always will be. But there is just so much hyped up junk coming from such big studios that I'm at a point where I've lost faith with just about all developers.
I remember hooking up the boomerang adapter for the SNES so my whole family could play Lost Vikings. I was a fan of Blizzard before I even knew I was a fan of Blizzards. Now they absolutely disgust me and so does anyone else who still defends them. They sold their souls to Activision. So sad.
Took you long enough...
Long live fromsoftware
@@SkeleTonHammer The sad truth is that most people don't understand this, they still think it's the same Blizzard that gave us Warcraft 1-3, Diablo 1 and 2, SC, WoW, etc. All of those devs are long gone and all that remains are the franchise names that carry the sales.
Im right there with you
6:06 this is what irks me the most because people like asmon are constantly telling people how bad micro transactions are getting and to stop they need to just stop playing the game but they don’t want to do that and when the company pulls another BS micro transaction stunt like selling power ups the players want to act all suprised that the company dosnt give a shit about them. The real fucked yo part though is that after all that they will keep playing the game
I've tried explaining this to my group of friends and the response I get basically every time is "I enjoy this game so I'm going to play it." Or "when another game comes out that interests me more maybe I'll stop playing." Unfortunately it just keeps them engaged and for some, willing to spend more money for less effort.
@@zephpanyanouvong7071 They're deep into the sunken cost fallacy. I feel bad for them.
The slippery slope is not a fallacy, it's the default strategy for doing something unpopular.
It very much is a fallacy
"A slippery slope is an argument that claims an initial event or action will trigger a series of other events and lead to an extreme or undesirable outcome.
The slippery slope fallacy anticipates this chain of events without offering any evidence to substantiate the claim."
@@sigigle Okay fair enough but, at what point does history showing that things regularly do play out the way the slippery slope argument predicted make it no longer a fallacy?
I feel like using common sense, logic, and history to make an educated prediction about the effects of something should not be considered a fallacy.
For example, gacha and microtransactions in paid games. Many years ago, many gamers claimed microtransactions would eventually come to paid triple A games. At that time a lot of people called that a slipery slope fallacy.
And here we are today.
You all missed the point the OP was trying to make because you wanted to feel good about yourselves by doing this: 🤓🤓🤓 ahcktually!
@@LethalShadow It's the evidence that makes a slippery slope argument a valid or a fallacious one.
Asmon's explanation is 100% correct.
Some people will say: "But that's a slippery slope argument" as if that invalidates it when it doesn't.
They've just heard there's such a thing as a slippery slope fallacy and so think they're always fallacious when they're not.
Fallacious slippery slope arguments are really just non-sequitur fallacies: "a conclusion that does not follow from the statements that lead to it".
Keep proving Bobby right and keep playing for their games! Diablo 10 is gonna be lit and it's gonna be different guys! FOMO is great!
diablo 10 hype diablo 10 hype
Can't wait for Diablo Smart Watch Edition
how do you stop so many people playing these games? How do you stop people to do anything?
@@VladTheRoseStart with yourself. And ignore them. Don't even talk about the subject. Attention is all it needs to grow. Like a troll
I see the length and title of the video, I know this is gonna be another great Blizzard video indeed
37:00 the reason for this is simple: They did not fuck up. This was the plan all along.
Why charge the player 60 bucks and he's never paying you money again, if you can instead make the player pay 25 bucks every 3 month for 3 years?
Gamers want this by significant majority. They've the capacity to bankrupt Activision Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft within a month and they choose not to.
Cause why fight against a shifty greedy corporations when you can buy swimsuit skins and a fucking CAT MAN in a realism based shooter game.
It's like trying to control a protest. It's impossible to unify a bunch of people from all over the world towards dealing with a single company. Or at least, way too hard. In reality, it'd take influencers like Asmond and probably 40+ others, like AngryJoe. Pewds. Mark. Every single massive gaming oriented influencer to come together and organize a boycott. Asmongold has a better chance of succeeding than a bunch of random internet strangers. So it's on him as much as it's on anyone else.
In my personal opinion, the only way to destroy these practices is outright outlawing them in major gaming markets. And doing what everyone was scared of doing, which is putting the government in control of game ratings, because the ESRB has proven itself incapable of self monitoring.
@@JJokerMoreau The FTC's job is to moderate monopolies in any industry. And unfortunately they failed to do so and made it seem as though Sony's best interests were at stake, when in reality it was about protecting consumers against monopolization like Microsoft tends to lean towards, which is why they bought blizzard to begin with.
@@zephpanyanouvong7071 I'd think you'd be hard pressed to argue a monopoly of the gaming market. In fact, extremely hard pressed. But you're not wrong in a sense... Microsoft is trying to consolify video games, and if steam ever faltered, they'd for sure start charging for "internet" services for PC gamers.
While I understand hating big companies is popular, as is capitalism, my main desire isn't to see major government oversight of products or the market so much as simply restricting "types" of sales.
You can sell a game. You can sell a cosmetic. You can sell weapon. You sell a game, cosmetic, or weapon through a random dice roll or through trading in magical booku bucks you bought with real money then we have a real problem. Lootboxes, special currency, and yes, even battlepasses have muddied the market and caused immense damage to the quality of products. All while the US courts STILL do not recognize in game purchases as having value. Allowing a company to sell you things for outrageous prices, then close down a month later without warning or recompense. It is BEYOND simply anti-consumer.
I like the way Deep Rock does its battle pass. You don't pay for it, and anything you didn't unlock gets tossed into the regular loot pool.
Rock and Stone!
Rock and Stone, Miner!
Yes yes Rock and Stone. Now get back to work.
ROCK AND STONE! yeah, DRG battlepass is awesome. You get an earnable unlock tree, the battle pass progression path, its all free, and its all dumped into the normal loot pool at the end of season...and each season is actually new mechanics and events.
Breathing a sigh of relief b/c I broke the vicious cycle and walked away from blizzard/Activision. The final straw for me was the glaring D4 issues and instead of addressing them they did an update to the shop lol. For anyone still playing, I hope you are enjoying it, but all I can see are things getting worse.
Walking away is easy, not buying the next thing is the hard part.
Lmao, I have bought the most recent Blizzard product and played it a lot! I'm glad I broke the cycle lmao
Nice to see you realised but... man... Diablo 4? It took that long?
Bellular is going to be a case study on Stockholm Syndrome.
Its his job though, he earns money for it. Why have principles when you can get money and its your career? I get that. The normal people who complain but still buy the newest storemount and in the next breath complain about Blizzard? Those people are the problem.
@@ouromov2895speak for yourself😂 all a man has in this world is his principals
@@ouromov2895 Yeah, well, I mean... I doubt he's earning big money with this shit. Big money would definitely justify being such a shill, but other than that? Nah. He's just an unpaid Blizzard PR-manager who's still hoping to come across a gold ore vein by doing so.
The guy did Raid: Shadow Legends ads and tries to advertise himself as ethical and pro-consumer.
@@dcarter1898 facts
these "you had to load in..." jokes are never going to get old
Asmon used the default defense people bring up regarding microtransactions, “who cares, you don’t have to buy this shit, it’s not related to power”.
The bottom line is, this monetization mindset of Activision is what holds back essentially all of their games now.
Best example of this is D4. The time played metric and cosmetic/battle pass sales is completely driving the game and it’s development decisions.
Every single thing is examined and decided upon based off of metrics and money. So you end up with devs who can’t make decisions on their own.
They are asked to reduce respec costs, ok we’ll reduce them by 40%, buttttt not right away, the cost reduction will scale up over time. Why? To nickel and dime the players and still keep the game slowed down because you still won’t have enough to respec so you’ll have to go farm some gold.
It’s the most mind numbing thing to deal with. They said “play your way”. I look at respeccing in D4 with total dread due to cost and time I waste reallocating 200+ paragon points. It’s not fun to experiment with new builds at all, it’s a chore. Probably the key reason I quit D4.
So my point is, if you’re a person who says they don’t mind the monetization and predatory behavior, then you can’t complain about the quality of the game because they go hand in hand. 💯
Doesn’t Bobby look like a goblin..like for real. His spirit animal is a goblin..
Thought I was watching bad friends for a second after reading comments. I was going to agree Bobby Lee does look a bit like a goblin.
He's Gallywix
oy vey shut down the antisemitism
Oy gevalt! Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
@@silviuvisan505 No joke, I showed one of my friends who doesn't play WoW a side-by-side of Gallywix and Kotick and she said "You can't tell me that's not his self-insert character."
28:30
Because they want to squeeze as much money as humanly possible out of their players. Why do you think it takes 8 months of weekly challenges to unlock a legendary skin?
Remember when it took one whole day. I member
I can’t believe he hasn’t watched that “it’s rude to be bad at world of Warcraft” video. He’s going to love it
you could probably train an AI to create all the armor sets and an AI to review player feedback to adjust sales tactics of how to sell people shit
if ai was capable of making a 10x better game but made 1% less money, you know what blizzard would do 💵
My favorite lootbox system was Mass Effect Online. You earned credits from playing the game, not from money, then used those to purchase varying sized loot boxes that contained different weapons, armors, bosts, etc. It was a great gameplay loop and tons of fun. I think later they ended up making it where you could buy them with money, and it was a lot less fun then.
how about no lootboxes at all? im playing bg3 and its great. a complete game for 60€ and no microtransaction. until bg3 i thought i lost fun in playing games cause im getting close to 30 but no. this game proved to me that it is not me but the industry producing crap games. bg3 is amazing and i will only buy games that have follow the same path as bg3 now. a full game, no microtransactions.
@@Valkyraw I'm 200 hours in BG3 and I can tell you have not played through the game yet. Act3 is not complete. There is huge amount of cut content. The game is still very good but it's obviously not a 10/10.
@@Valkyraw just had to shoehorn in that irrelevant point to this comment didn’t you. Just couldn’t help yourself lol. ME multiplayer nostalgia?? NOT ON THIS GUYS WATCH 🤣
@@HansWurst1569 im 80 hours into the game and at the beginning of act 3 now.
i dont know if content is cut or not, i cant tell. so far it didnt feel like it.
yes of of course no game is 10/10, because no game is ever perfect. theres always room for improvement, but still i love this game because compared to all other games released in the past years it feels the most complete, just like elden ring.
Also act 1 alone is worth more than the entirety of diablo 4.
@@JayGreezy who cares? go buy blizzard games.
I don't know how anyone looked at the trader's post and didn't assume that it was going to shoehorn another micro transaction system into the game.
It's even dressed like a shopping stall.
5:50 works for McDonalds
I broke away from all Blizzard games after the Warcraft 3 Reforged shit, and I don't think I'll regret that decision. That being said, being right doesn't exactly fill me with joy, and I hope to god something changes with Blizzard because this is just depressing.
The secret is most of the Overwatch team already left ages ago.
Sad to see how asmon is getting more and more complacent with the shit that is going on in the gaming community. I remember when he tried to make a stand against it, rile the community against it, trying to make a statement.....now he is just "Whatever i dont care"
At some point all ya wanna see is it all burning down. Who knows maby something good rises from the ashes.
Ez content, ez money, why have principles when its your business? Complaining about blizzard is his bread and butter, its kinda funny when you think about it. I don't blame him or Bellular for that, it's their job.
He tried for years and years and nothing changed, it's clear gamers just don't actually care so why not just make money off the fake gamer rage over microtransactions.
@@Invie4196Blizzard does the same thing with microtransactions, so why are people complaining? Anything is okay morally as long as you’re doing it for money.
@TheSpicyLeg that's my point it ain't changing so every side should just capitalize on it
2:06 off topic, but wtf who carries a dog like this???
36:53 beyond getting fired, I feel like working at Bliz at this moment would be extremely depressing and I feel like I would have quit, imagine having to work on something that you know everyone hates and getting constantly shit on for decisions you cant control
Just after the 4 minute mark. The never ending D4 joke gets me every time. 🤣
28:58 imagine if you could see what's in the battle pass and you got a lootbox per tier. You would get all the content randomly throughout the battle pass. It would add a surprise effect ❤
I can already see how predatory this system could be. The illusion that you can finish a battle pass at level 10, front loading the cost of the battle pass, giving fast pass "purpose" through the illusion that you can cheese the battle pass. Oof. The list goes on.
Asmon, the bit about Overwatch and all of the things you said.. ARE WHAT WE WERE ALL TRYING TO TELL YOU WEEKS AGO!!!
But they took out loot boxes and you can get the characters for free!!!!
You're talking about Blizzard, the game company that still charges 20-30 dollars to unlock characters in the moba that they took out behind the shed and shot three+ years ago. Anyone surprised by their predatory practices have been wearing their nostalgia goggles too long.
I just realized that Asmongold has never plugged anything to me on his videos. One reason I love him.
i mean i just watched the guy say steak is tasty but anyone can plug me full of steak
He doesnt need to yall already threw millions of dollars at him 😂
The people vs Marketers is the final boss IRL. Marketers run Blizzard now, and like the great Bill Hicks once said, "If you are in marketing do us all a favor a k*** youreself, no seriously, you are satan, this part of the show is not a joke" And that was in the 90's. Now we need songs like Rich men north of Richmond to remind us they keep us divided on purpose.
Times like this I really miss Bill.
rich men north of richmond is a shit song but i agree
Ultimate greed is charging full price for every expansion, charging a sub and milking players with Microtransactions. The Trifecta baby.
and still have a sub par Expansion at least for all that Milking they woud have made amazing and fun expantion but they just do minimum effort and cash out alot from the remaining player base
Yeah, I thought it was greedy when they were selling a 20+ year old game reskin for close to a brand new title (Diablo 2 Resurrected).
I'm so glad I get the ongoing inside joke about loading assests.
Finally, I managed to get here before Asmon himself. I can't wait for him to react to this video of Zack
I've stopped caring. I regret spending the additional $40 or so dollars for the extra shit in D4. I have no desire to even play the game. There's no incentive, no fun, and no value in continuing a seasonal character.
BG3 is infinitely superior to anything blizzard related at this point.
10/10 for correctly explaining the appeal to authority fallacy - 90% of youtube politics still haven't figured that one out!
Sort of. Just because someone has authority in a subject doesn't mean it's correct. Appeal to authority is when you ignore the facts and instead just take them at their word
@@rockbandandghmaster Of course an authority can be wrong. Still, there is a reason why things like peer review exist.
If, for example, you want to know whether drinking mercury is bad, you should value the opinion of a doctor more than those of a redditor.
In absence of own expertise the best you can do is to look at the expert consensus (if there is one) since no matter how smart you are, it would be hybris to assume you can figure it our better on the fly.
@@skellumfh An assertion does not become truer if more people vote for it or believe in it. Peer review has nothing to do with the truth of an assertion. Truth is independent of a viewer's opinion - educated or not.
@@lagarttemido ok, but how do you know if something is true? If you have extensive knowledge on a topic you can come to your own conclusion, but in a modern context you simply can't know everything yourself.
And then expert opinion is the next best substitute, since it is generally reasonable to assume that experts know what they're talking about.
It is an epistemic claim, not an ontological one, just like a positive pregnancy test doesn't make someone pregnant but if a test is positive you have reason to assume she is.
@@skellumfh This is actually not only a strawman used for your example, but also a perfect example of where APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is an actual fallacy. The reality is that you DON'T need a doctor to tell you the effects of mercury poisoning. It's so well understood, so covered, so easy to look up that a Redditor COULD and ACCURATELY explain to you what the effects of it are. The whole point of why APPEAL TO AUTHORITY is a FALACY is because you're using it to dismiss someone else's argument outright instead of explaining to them how they're wrong.
“Hey guys, remember to do your chores everyday to get these awesome rewards at a snails pace!”
Warren buffet owned 10% of activision- blizzards shares. He sold all of them.
@@DavidScarecrow it tells you that he doesn’t see value in holding it.
@@CurieBohrno it’s called realizing your gains
@@Terminator-ht3sx then why doesn’t he sell his entire portfolio to “realize gains?” Hahaha.
@@CurieBohr u got me😂🤕
45:25 that's why I love Magic so much, at my local game shop I could drop 200 dollars on fuckin packs and it becomes an infinite money glitch, that 200 gets you thousands of dollars in value if you learn what cards are worth $20+ and you aren't gonna use (even if you WILL use the card, keep your 4 copies you need for a deck trade the rest). Back then there was one Mythic rare in particular I knew I would never put in a deck, the card was worth 25 bucks and I was pulling one every couple packs. That card single-handedly bought me almost a hundred packs cause of how often I pulled it, and that's on top of the other cards I was trading in on top of that (store only ever did store credit tho so it all went back into cards lmao). All these cards, completely fucking free to me (besides my 200 dollar "entry fee") AND making the store money cause the guy would go sell them online. Never spent another dime on cards in that shop again, if I needed a pack I just opened one of my spares.
i feel so old watching these videos with what the current multiplayer era is doing.....i don't know how old asmongold is but damn, him being so involved to recognize this shit immediately.
i still play COD2 MP since 2006 and i never felt the need to go after anything current, levels, skins, battlepasses, microtransactions and all other kinda crap....you will say yeah ok boomer and i will take this as a compliment because i played in the era that you played your game with your hands and not your credit card, what do you mean unlockable textures for your guns and clothes ? who the fuck cares, this isn't a fashion show :| put me in a death match or team death match and leave my alone to play with my skills alone
cod 4 mp? but i hear you
@@Terminator-ht3sx cod2 mp ..with private mcgregor and maps in Egypt at in ww2
@@Ko700elcod 2 had multiplayer? i had no idea; that’s cool. i played cod 3 but on the wii so it didn’t have mp😂 the campaign was cool tho. bo1 is my fav cod tho great campaign, zombies , and mp
As long as the game isn't ptw, it's fine if the game earns money by having skins or straight up buying the game.
I just gave up on D4 today, I barely played since before the season came out, so I'm not burnt out from grinding, but I just can't get any enthusiasm to log in. I tried to play a little while this morning, got from 14 to 16 on my season character, and the game crashed in the middle of the story dungeon I was in. I have no desire to try again, as its clear this company does not give a single shit about the game.
Every day I am being reminded why I left WoW and why I don't get diablo 4 😂
imagine going to work and you bust your ass and then tell your boss, if you want the same performance, you have to pay for my "work battle pass".
can confirm. my family has no history of baldness. diablo 4 made me bald
I officially quit D4 last night. After like 4 NDs and a world boss that dropped a single item. I am done. It is a waste of time.
imagine how good wow would be now if the true blizzard was still alive
"Dont drop the soap"
"Dont worry, I have a dog fanny pack to protect me."
ok ngl i love that asmon watches ads from the vids he reacts to. good on you for letting the word out man.
I gotta give it to Zack, that Crash analogy was spot on.
While most big studios making garbage products is a big problem as Asmongold stated it's the dung eaters applauding devs giving them more dung everytime. I've felt like this for many years now. People don't like being called that though so meaningful discussions about it never happened.
Activison really skilled all their points into Necromancy.
Can't wait for your react to your own react videos! Great stuff!
Expect a juicy looking transmog for each quarterly report, and December's annual BIG pack. Players are being fomo farmed.
Not surprised they've been scummy for a long time now
36:45 Because it takes 2+ years to train someone new, so they just try again with the same experienced, but underperforming people.
Mobile game players have ruined gaming. If it wasn't for them willing to give out money anytime they get impatient we wouldn't even have these issues. Thanks Farmville and thank you people who paid Farmville.
As soon as he said "Burger king is good" I hit like, because I'm sitting here in a burger king parking lot smashing a bacon king.
They stopped long ago...
I've had an active WoW sub since january 2005. I just finally canceled it for the first time ever last month.
I feel like my account cancelling should have sounded immediate alarms everywhere in the building lol.
Asmond talks about people eating sh*t therefore making companies feed them sh*t
And literally 2 min later he looks at the sh*t blizzard is feeding him and he’s like “I mean I don’t really mind this”
It gives off “I’m not like other girls” energy so hard lmao
Mmk
Once Blizzard started selling gold it was all over. It doesn't matter what else they sell because like you said gold can buy you everything you want. So you're right because the tipping point was when they cut the middle man out and cornered the market with gold. Look at when it was "illegal" to purchase gold, I heard about it but I never once even looked into it because if you get caught that's your character, your account, and your time gone. Now that Blizzard sells it so many more people purchase gold these days and it is making the game worse.
Once blizzard stopped making player numbers public it was all over.
The load in everything jokes never get old 💀 lol
The skins you purchase now in games just reminds me of the early 2000s, modding Quake Arena into characters from shows, etc.
I didnt buy D4 because i figured theyd be greedy. Wanted to wait and see how the game panned out. I feel justified
I like the idea of the Trading Post. I haven't played the game since Legion after I quit in WoD in the first tier.
And as Asmon say, I have always been anti store, we knew this was going to happen. However, you have 1k tender a month, there is no reason for a normal person to collect them all. You won't use it all. And if you must have it all, then you are the cause for this to happen in the first place
My guess on the "loading all the stuff in the other players stash" is that they just threw in the entire player object instead of making some logic to pick and choose the relevant attributes needed by players seeing the other player. Lazy coding >.>
Yeah the carrot on moon statement is just as easily applied to the Uber uniques in D4.
company: "I value this skin at 300$"
player: "shut up and take my money"
33:00 wow, asmon finally understood why people review bombed this game
Stop giving this company money and let it die.
omg the boars of warlords of draenor, i almost forgot about the 5000 boar mounts they added to the game xD
I feel like more and more people are concerned with how their characters look rather than how the character interacts with the game. I guess there’s nothing wrong with that, but gaming to me was always about the gameplay
Trader's Tendies
I'm waiting for the paid stash tabs in D4. Gotta get those in my $70 game.
Here's a quick summary of the vid if you don't have a bunch of time. Basically blizzard is using laundry hamper traps to catch cats.
Hit them where hit hurts most, their wallets.
Starting the clip of with a solid voice crack, nice
36:45 can't fire management... The suits
13:50 Fallacies are simply a teaching tool for learning different kinds of argumentation. Simply saying “that’s X fallacy” is never valid. In order to dispute the validity of an argument you need to actually prove it’s validity.
Just citing a fallacy and even giving a description of that fallacy is akin to “I’m just right and you’re wrong”. In what reality is that ever a valid argument in debate?
It’s like writing the answer to math problem as large range of numbers and not showing any work. In the end it’s irrelevant whether the range is true. That’s not how debates work.
This is self evident by the fallacy fallacy but of course the regular online Andy doesn’t study fallacies, they cite them whenever they think a statement matches the fallacy’s description.
I hope shitting on the d4 stash loading issue becomes a persistent meme to the point where I have to break out the lore scroll to explain it to my grandkids
i feel like this bellular video popped up on my recommendeds way more than any of their other videos have for a while
FFXIV does a similar thing to the trading post just flipped. They have events with limited time mounts or glam and then sell them on the store a little while after the event. It incentivizes you to play the game and not miss it so you can save money, where blizzard is going that greedy fomo impulse buy tactic. This is probably why you won't be able to afford whole sets too lol
The only thing I got from this video was that Asmon doesnt care about anything
and the same people complaining about Blizzard will still shill the next WoW expansion and the lemmings will eat it up. this cycle got old many years ago.
45:06 i have to strongly disagree, TCGs make a lot of sense online, surely HearthStone is no match to MTGs far superior ruleset, but the digital aspect makes gameflow so much more smooth.
the time wasted shuffling decks alone is insane, drafting takes way less time, rules are enforced correctly (99% of the time at least...) i wouldnt go back to play IRL after having played MTG on MTGO/Arena/Forge
I had read the title as: "Вlіzzаrd Hаve Stopped Pretendіng That Asmongold Reаcts" as if Blizzard started to ignore Asmongold.
the reason why theyre not selling traders standalone like gold is because selling it bundled with stuff players may or may not want at a higher price point is more profitable in the end
42:32 Isnt basic WoW armor overdesigned? Shoulder armor that resembles Loco Mia
I used to play a ton of RS3 back in the day (pre and post EOC as well as maxing on OSRS. I swear that introducing loads of cosmetics and currencies to buy them dilutes the game so much and adds so much unneeded confusion for returning/new players. It's literally like flipping an off switch for potential players when they see it.