Mark I'm a high school dropout of which I am not proud of but your channel and sharing your education and knowledge freely is extremely helpful to me in understanding the scriptures . Do not allow the naysayers get to you always do the will of God . Love your brother in Christ .
@@wardonwords Brother Mark... I believe that you have good things to say about this subject matter and there's not enough people who speak as strongly against KJV onlyism as you do.. KJV onlyism is literally cultist whenever it's taken to its logical conclusion and it's divisive and doesn't have any answers for the non English speaking church..
@@rauldelarosa2768 If you are against KJV onlyism what exactly does that translate too, or mean, is it that you must trust all or at least use multiple versions of Bible to be a good Christian. It is so strange to me that recognizing the KJB to be different than any other version today (and it is textually/factually/historically), is considered a bad point to uphold. and to stand upon this One Book you also say is His word but not for today because you feel it has readability issues, is to me farcical and absurd reality..
@Obediah002 what's absurd is to place your entire trust in an archaic English Anglican church translation that is not today's English.. moreover you have no answers for the non English speaking church. What do you say to my Spanish and Portuguese speaking brethren? And before you say it.. there's no English to Spanish equivalent of the Reina Valera . And even the two or three out there are competing for relevance within the Spanish ifb church community. I own a Reina Valera purificada. It's not word for word verbatim the KJV translated. I know. I'm fully bilingual.
Brother I am a 69 year Christian man who was born again young at the age of 10. I have persevered in the faith ever sense that time. I have listened and agree with you 100 percent on this issue. You have many many more brothers and sisters in Christ who agree with you.
Mark, thank you for your work, and your spirit. As a former KJV only guy, I have learned so much from your work. I pray God's blessings on your future endeavors.
I was a lifelong KJVO, now I’m just a KJV-Preferred. Your work on this topic has been thorough, informative, and actually very convincing. I truly believe it is the Lord’s work. Bless you, brother!
@@warnerchandler9826 there are too many GREAT things... regarding the King James to keep anything brief.. I don't even count it's poetry or archaic language use among the reason I am a KJV Onlyist... One main reason I am one.. is because for the last few years.. I have been examining the liberties and how corrupt the Modern translations are... even Frank Logsdon... one of the main editors.. of the NASB for the Lockman Corporation.. repented of the abomination... as he calls it .. which he heled to create.. I think when one who was once an advocate for a translation comes back later and repudiates all his work... and asks God to forgive him.. for his sin... that says a lot.. as far as the NKJV.?.. well these translators... just under handedly LIED to everyone.... in their premise to the original 1982 NKJV.. they state that the NKJV was created as a transition bible... for those who wished to get away from the language of the KJV... yet keep the same structure of the verses... in other words,, the verses would STILL mean the same as they did in the KJV... well that was a LIE.. many verses were altered without cause...and the unsuspecting public is None the wiser... the ESV is loaded with changes to verses that at best many verses seem to contradict itself.... and the NIV.. is wrought with the same translational flaws as some of these other ones have... especially the NIV2011... compare Mark 1:41 from the NIV 2011 to any other translation and you will see this... the King James.. is the ONLY safe reliable translation to use.. nowadays...
@@PastorJohnsPerspective me as well, you prefer? Has God not said, jer 23:30 Jeremiah 23:30 KJVS Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour. I’m with God on this one.
Thank you Mark for all your work. Surely is not in vain, God will honor your efforts to make His Word clear to the English speaking people. I learned many things from you and I share many videos, obviously receiving attacks, but it's worth it. I hope your new adventure comes with more existing things in the future. Love you brother and God bless you
Hi Mark… I was just interviewed on the topic of self-care… I am a retired Prison Chaplain of a maximum security adult male prison.. over 25 years I saw much violence that never makes it into the tv prison shows… I heard more toxic language, thought and worldviews virtually everyday, from inmates and staff… I congratulate you on your decisions concerning engagement with KJV- Onlyism… take care of your soul, mind, and spirit… self-care and times of withdrawal are not to be construed as ‘surrender’… I think of Jesus, and how often he withdrew to have times of solitude and prayer…. May you have great peace, brother!
I can imagine it’s not an easy task, especially when you see the KJVO crowd as brothers and sisters in Christ and they call you a heretic without listening to what you say. Your body of work is out there and can stand on its own. Looking forward to following you in future. Love your content. God bless 🙏
Mark, thank you for your work. I am among the "thousands" who your work has influenced and I am forever grateful. It was delight to meet you that one time at the Museum of the Bible and I pray for you every time I drink from the Logos mug you gifted me. Your work has helped me to both fall in love with God's word more than ever and to lead our church away from KJVOism with very little fall out. I look forward to your future work on hermeneutics. Ironically something I was never taught in my years at Hyles-Anderson College.
After reflection, I have only one comment. If those who support KJV-Only are true Christians or become Christians as a result of reading the KJV Bible, then I am satisfied. An argument doesn't change anything important. I will just smile at them and press on. I choose to use other translations as well as KJV. I learn more from the interaction. The main issue is whether people are won to the Lord regardless of where they are exposed to the gospel. I used a very simple translation of English when I led a Japanese church and I am convinced they became Christians as a result. We used other translations when I spoke to the people of Malawi and they came to the Lord as well. The main thing is the gospel, however we present it as long as it is biblical.
I have become free from the chains of bondage that KJVO was for me. I grew up in a church that thought Jesus Christ himself wrote the words in King James English, and they believed that all other translations were imposters. After a lifetime of feeling chained to the King James translation, the deep fear that was drilled into me for reading any other translations, because they all had some kind of hidden agenda to mislead readers and get them backslidden, and them doing so by adding to, or taking away from God’s Word. The inward guilt, shame and condemnation I felt at times was very heavy. And all because of my wanting to read a different English translation just for better understanding? I no longer feel guilt, shame or condemnation. I no longer fear being mislead, or subjected to some evil hidden agenda. I no longer feel the need to have a King James Bible strapped to me at all times, just to compare when I read a different translation. Although I have over my lifetime memorized King James verses only, I no longer do so. When I memorize Scripture I do so with any translation I want, or like. I owe my freedom from this ball and chain, in part, to you, Mark Ward. I found your channel last summer and I want to thank you wholeheartedly for enduring whatever persecution and hardships you endured to set people free from that heavy bondage. Freedom from that kind of oppression sure feels good. God bless you.
Mark, through your ministry, my confidence in English translations has only been strengthened. The amount of detail, effort, study and reasoning put behind good translations has been made more evident. I love the work you have put into false friends, so much that it encourages me to understand passages to which the author intended through usage of modern language in translations. Clearly you have revealed that language changes and the application of 1 Corinthians 14 solidifies the grace God has given to allow us the ability to understand His Word in faithful translations. I look forward to all new nerdy word studies you so graciously give.
Mark, you and your work have been a blessing to me and, clearly from the multitude of comments here, so many others. Sharing truth often comes with a price. Thank you for absorbing that abuse, we are the beneficiaries of your fortitude.
I spent 14 years dealing with Mormonism every day. I didn't believe that I needed to leave that work, but God so ordered my circumstances that I did leave, and in the almost 30 years since then I've realized that God in fact doesn't want me in that ministry anymore, except as local, specific opportunities come my way. The "fire" that God kindled in me for that work, He put out when it was time for me to do other things. So I know something, if not everything, about your current situation. May God bless you in your new and different endeavors. As a side note, when I came to Christ in 1983 I didn't even know there was any other translation than the KJV. I wound up being KJV-only, but though I never had any serious problems understanding the KJV, I eventually came to see that KJV-onlyism is both contrary to the KJV, to the KJV's own translators, and to plain reason. I tested multiple translations, and settled on the 1995 NASB, which I used for about 20 years. Then when the Legacy Standard Bible came out I examined it, and I've now been using it for a couple or three years. Just as I don't know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, and thus require the Bible in English, so I'm not living in the 17th century but the 21st, and require a translation that, without being untrue to the original text, and without descending into mere transitory slang, is in current English. 🙂
Thank you, brother Mark, for all you've done. God bless you for both the truth and clarity you have provided in the past to help us, your brothers and sisters, and also with direction as you continue to follow God's leading.
I came to be equipped against KJVO. Stayed because I was blessed and encouraged in faith and love for God's word. Your work has been an enormous blessing. I'm remaining a supporter because I'm excited to see what you do next and optimistic for the future!
End of an era… sort of. Your work is continuing as others influence their friends and families using what you’ve provided. Opponents will try to draw you back out. They will present you as defeated. But you didn’t lose. They just don’t know it yet. Thank you.
Coming from a person who has newly discovered you and your work, im both sad and happy. Thank you for carrying the torch. Looking for your next endeavor.
Thank you, Mark. I probably didn't realize the depth of your KJV-Onlyism work, but I've appreciated every presentation or article I've read. You will continue to be a recommended resource!
Thank you, Mark, for the work you have done. I especially appreciate your "false friends" series and your recently uploaded video on Psalm 12:6-7. I wish you and your family God's mighty blessing as you move on to pastures new as your Shepherd leads.
I'm excited to hear you're moving on in the debate and going to expand your channel! I have, on several occasions, thought you shouldn't have to keep repeating yourself. I'm looking forward to your new content in the coming year! God bless!
Having been raised in a KJVO community, I greatly appreciate your work, Dr. Ward. From within such a community, alternative viewpoints are frightening and obscure, as you well know. Thank you for sacrificing your time and efforts and utilizing your talents to shed light on this issue. Your method is a paragon to be modeled after should the opportunity arise for me to broach this issue in that same, dear community of my raising. May God receive all the glory for these efforts of yours, and may God bless your work to come.
@@wardonwords I for one ...am GLAD that you have moved on to different pastures... so to speak... but I do Not count this as a victory by any means... since I have NOT convinced you to become a KJV Onlyist... which was my prayer for you and James White.. but I have Not lost hope...
I believe that as ministers, we must look deeper into Hebrew and Greek This is my desire to look deeper. Also, I believe that God has allowed his word to be translated into to various languages. I hear your voice pastor Ward. I believe God wants us to have clear understanding of his word in whatever language translation.
I love your spirit; you are gentle and smart. I am a non academic (to say the least), but dropped the KJV only when I found myself translating as I taught. You are so right about people being victims, and I’m still learning to love those who oppose. I’m excited for your next season. Every blessing, dear brother.
Man, the point you made about syntax is so key. Difficult or out of date words are greatly handled by books like yours Mark, but my issues with reading the KJV has always been sentence structure. I have so often read a chapter from the KJV and then read it in a modern translation and realized I have missed very important points. Not because of archaic words, but because of syntax. Thank you for all your work Brother. God bless your future.
(KJV onlyist here)As a person gets used to the Bible, they learn the words. I see other versions as I see men. They may help me understand hard things but I don't trust what they say with my life.
@@BibleThumpr I really recommend looking at interlinear Bibles too, even mechanical translations like the Mechanical Translation Project or even BibleHub which has a very good one which helps you to acquire vocabulary of the Hebrew words of the Old Testament. It does take more time to use an interlinear - that’s if you are using it to find more about what the actual original meaning is. The Hebrew Old Testament is brilliant because there are many play-on-words that are completely missed because of translation and ties to prophecy. King James was the first Bible version I ever read and was my number 1 for years until I became aware that it was not perfect and still much to be learned by looking at the original language of either the OT and NT. There are also connections between words used in one place which point to another specific place in scripture with that same Hebrew word, and we know live in the technology age and have the opportunity to use these tools to further grow in knowledge and save time than the previous generations. It’s also easier for us to take these things for granted. There are many times I have found the KJV completely translate a word that is misleading of the original Hebrew.. which can change the whole meaning. For example, off the top of my head, regarding a really important prophecy in Ezekiel, where the Hebrew says literally “the land of Kenani (Canaan/Canaanites)” and the translations has it as “the land of merchants.” Well, a lot of the prophecies would become so much more clear by seeing the original language
The KJV also includes significant translation errors (because the Translators were familiar with Classical Greek not the Koine Greek that the New Testament was actually written in) along with quite deliberate mistranslations in the entire Bible.
@ There are dozens of them, including “Unicorn” (Rhinoceros), inserting references to witches in place of the original “Poisoner” (James had a thing about witches), removing all references to “tyrants” (another thing James was sensitive about), editing the eighth commandment (which in the original Hebrew was about wage theft) (slavery was still a “thing”), the geographical errors caused because the Greeks didn’t have words for places (a particular problem for the original Septuagint translators)….
Mark, thank you so much for your body of work on KJVO. It has blessed me personally and deeply. I look forward to your new direction, and I believe that it will be a blessing to me and those I serve. God bless you!
I just discovered your videos last week and really helping me out greatly! This KJV Onlyism is hurting our church and causing great discord. It distracts us from winning souls for Christ. Instead, we engaged in trying to out smart and drown the other. I really appreciate your hard work.
Mark, I certainly don't blame you and see your point. There are so many other areas where you can minister. Keeping your books and videos available should be sufficient. Your arguments have always been cogent and your attitude Christian. Of course, I'm not KJV-ONLY but I know many who are. Most of them are good, sincere Christians who truly believe someone is try to "change the Word of God. " I believe you have made a great, positive, helpful contribution to the dialogue.
KJV videos were very good especially the false friends. Teaching me to understand the bible better but also English in general. You are always loving and kind in your approach and I know you are receiving fire from the other side.
As far as KJVonliests, your loving care towards them seemed to be impeccable. I have learned how to deal with not only the KJVers with a little more self control, but, that has spread out into other areas as well as I've seen you put it into action. Thank you very very much Dr. Ward.
Mark you are great while I grew up in a church that wasn't KJVO there were 3 'correct' traditions some of which i struggled with and watching your videos has helped me understand the Bible correctly and now am able to help my family who still attened that Church.
I'm so thankful for all the resources you have given us on this topic. I'm praying my alma mater, PCC, will take you up on the debate. Would be great to see. God bless
I get what you're saying. I appreciate your work. I agree with you about some things , other things I disagree with you. But I easily understand where you are coming from and highly respect you as well . Good luck, and may God bless you in your endeavors.
Mark, this was quite a moving video. I am truly saddened to hear how you have been pushed to this decision, but I understand. You made a comment about how you feel that you have been blessed with an extra dose of patience and an extra dose of letting-things-slide-off-your-back. (I’m paraphrasing there.) I can see that for sure! A while back, I sent one of your podcasts to my father (a pastor and missionary). And I said, “I came across this guy named Mark Ward. He’s a Bible scholar and his calling is to help people move away from KJV onlyism. This podcast blew me away on multiple levels. If you ever needed a perfect example of grace and truth, this guy is it.” That’s the truth Mark. It is inspiring to see how well you lift up those you disagree with. Thank you for what you do and, maybe more importantly, how you do it.
My first thought upon clicking: I can't believe he went to London just to film this video! I only discovered you recently. Until now, I had NO IDEA the extent of this issue. But even I could've told you this is not good to be involved in, long term. Please stick to your decision as closely as possible. People will try to drag you back in. Also, I do not believe people spewing those vile things at you are even regenerate. I hate to see someone like you treated this way. They will stand before Christ to give account for their filth. Please do everything you can to stay away from people like that. It's not healthy. Anyway, I'm glad you are finally taking a rest. You've earned it.
All right, Yesica, in response to your writing "I can't believe he went to London just to film this video!", I will paraphrase a song by Broadway musical composer/producer George M. Cohan: He's a yankee doodle dandy, a yankee doodle do or die. A real live scholar of the KJV, and with Onlyists he's willing to try. He's got a yankee doodle sweetheart back there on her flower farm. Yankee doodle went to London just to film this video, Mark is that yankee doodle man.
Sad you're moving on, glad you're moving on, and glad for your future! Thanks for being a colossal blessing to so many. God has gifted you generously, and you've (primarily) played two or three notes very well to His glory and done so very successfully. But I look forward to seeing the full range of the instrument you've been designed to be with this chapter behind you. Cheers and God bless!
Saw in an interview you talking more about your plans for the new year (the “embarrassment of riches” approach ). I was encouraged with this - how you’re building on the work you’ve already done, but taking it in a Php 4:8 direction. As you’re wrapping up this phase, I hope many others continue the work you’ve started. Extreme KJVO-ism is a divisive faction causing more harm than good and honest believers need to stand up for the unity of the Body Of Christ and promote confidence in the living Word of God.
I want to thank you for all the work that you've done to help me understand and think about the KJVO. AND, all the work you will do in the future to help me and others to understand our Bibles better. Thank You.
Mark, I appreciate your videos! I spent 8 years in a King James only church and when life moved on from that I had no resolve. Then, about 8 years after leaving, I found your videos and in a way it provided healing for me. And your approach is so humble! You have brought concepts and valuable information that was previously only made for those who have attended seminary to those who plow the fields. Thank you so much! Also, I want to say how in that very wide shot it was kind of funny to see the people walking past you confused who you were talking to! 😂
I have learned so much from your gentle polite work! I have been hurt but the KJVO guys and pray that any future interaction I will be able to also demonstrate love
You have more than enough information regarding the TR, KJVO and the CT that it speaks for itself! Move forward from this chapter in your ministry and Thank You! Blessings
I appreciate the work that you do. As someone who used to lean KJV only, I am grateful for your explanations and detailed monologue's about Bible translation. Thank you for your work sir.
I appreciate everything that has been said and written. Wheras your experience was positive with KJV onlyism my only interactions have negative with someone refusing to allow my NIV in the church revival services and random parishioners who refused to listen to any discussion and left. . I have family members who treat me as non Christian due to refusing to accept their KJV only ideas a they will put my other translations in drawers lest their children get ahold of and be deceived. I appreciate the attitude, original approach, and intent. The KJV only crowd can be incredibly hard crowd to reason with and you've demonstrated far more charity and patience than I have. . May tge Lord bless you in whatever endeavors the Lord has for you in the future
Yes, my sister calls it the, "Nearly Inspired Version" - however- I see some marked improvement in the 2011 NIV. I will use it sometimes. "An unused Bible is a terrible waste."
I didn't have to make up my positive experiences. They really were positive. But I recognize that others have seen family division, broken engagements, lost friendships because of KJV-Onlyism. I will never get to preach at the church I attended in high school unless they leave KJV-Onlyism. And some people from my Christian school who ought to be my friends are not because of it. I have faced loss, too.
@markwardonwords every one's experience is different. My one experience with this crowd is incredibly negative with what I hope does not represent the mainline KJV only crowd and except for quotation in old books I've never read tge KJV and have no sentimental attachment to it. My wife grew up in a now defunct KJV only church and had an incredible experience and even uses it for her devotions.
That's not a zombie face. That's an alien face from the John Carpenter film They Live. In that satirical horror-action movie, extraterrestrials have taken over human society undetected, and they hide subliminal messages everywhere: billboards, magazines, and so on. The only way to see the messages for what they are--and to spot who is or isn't an alien in disguise--is to wear a pair of sunglasses (which work almost like 3D specs). The hidden messages say things like, "Obey," "Consume," "Reproduce," and "Stay Asleep." In other words, they're saying that you're part of the hidden agenda to control the masses, and Ruckman is Rowdy Roddy Piper.
I love the interview about a translation in Israel using biblical languages like modern Hebrew one using biblical hebrew as a base as well, I hope you do other translation from modern languages as well, whether spanish, portuguese, greek and translations using biblical languages. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and helping us grow, God bless you and your family 😄
There's so much wisdom here, brother. You have proven your point conclusively with your readability study. It's a good time to step away. Moving to teaching people how to read and understand the Bible is a great idea. There's plenty of need for a godly word nerd here.
Watching your debate made me think of something one of my teachers told me: Don't try to teach a pig how to sing. It frustrates the teacher and irritates the pig. You have done all you can to help them. Do some things that bring you joy and let the seed you have planted sprout.
I was never a KJV-onlyist, but I was a KJV-bestist personally. I especially never disparaged those who didn't use the KJV. I thank Mark for his work and for opening my eyes about other versions. I have Authorized on Audible. I have three nice KJV Bibles within view in this room, but I pick up and read my NASB1995 now.
You have taught me more than you could know and I don't expect that will change, as I will continue to follow your work. I do hope your challenge to others to pick up the torch on the KJVO is accepted...that battle isn't over. But as you say, there are other topics worthy of hard work so I'm excited to see them come to fruition. I also think you'll have occasional opportunity to use in the future what you've spent so much time and effort on in the past, and I hope you'll do so with joy. I doubt many of us on this side of the comment thread know how hard this struggle has been for you at times but please know that in the same way, you (on the other side of the comment thread) have helped us even more...your stripes have been well-compensated. I look forward to where this will lead. Thank you for your faithful service!
Man, I want that Ruckman/Rambo picture as a poster. But, seriously, I don't blame you, Mark, for pulling back. And full credit for not getting upset by the truly ridiculous abuse, like that picture.
I believe Mark Ward needs to go straight to God's presence (in His time)! His actions are all gentle and loving and he obediently challenges false prophets that distort God and His Word. God bless and guide you in your next steps, Truth friend.
Brother, the value goes far beyond the topic you were addressing. It stands as an example of Christian character that I (and probably many others) need to emulate. I can appreciate that this was a difficult video to make, but by God's grace, He has led you magnificently. May His blessings and His Spirit continue to honor your work, wherever it may take you.
I will note, PCC is making strides to leave extreme IFB fundamentalism. There’s been some…. Policy changes in the last year where it’s becoming a little more evangelical friendly, and less IFB. I think the women are allowed to wear pants there now. And they associate with non IFB, non strict KJVo, congregations in the area. I have some mutual connections in the area so I love hearing progress in that world. I heard they have non KJVo staff. But the dress code change is a huge deal there, it was always held to the same level of standard as their translational preference, in my opinion!
I'm thankful for the work you've done Mark. Even though I wasn't KJVO I felt pressure to keep using it even though it was becoming more of a burden than a blessing. You helped me to get free of that heavy burden. God bless brother be at peace looking forward to other nerdy content 😊
I'm fairly new to reading the bible (and watching bible related videos on RUclips) and this video of yours have shocked me so much. I cannot believe that Christian people can and will treat eachother like that. I'm really sorry. But I look forward to following your channel. Thank you from Denmark.
It's a minority. And the true Christians out there who act like that often do so out of fear. And they aren't like that in all their dealings. The people who are, the ones who are full of hate and not love, are by definition not true Christians. =( I want to say, too, that I experienced real love in KJV-Only churches growing up.
Dear Dr. Ward. You know the NT was written in the Koine Greek. The kitchen language. The language spoken by the everyday housewife, child, sandwich making teen. You know the NT was never intended to be a scholarly work of art (even though it is). The intentions are clear, but our minds are not. Gay used to mean happy. Thee, thou, art not should not understand the words precedethness from thy lips. You fought a good fight, and I for one would like to use your videos for my ministry. My specialty is with other fish, but the fish you fried sets me at ease for conversations with the KJV Only movement. Keep to the kitchen language. Thats where we educate our children, not where we debate stiff-necked people.
Brother, I am so thankful for your work. It has helped me with straight information but also helped me to be more prudent in recognizing words that may affect meaning. You have actually responded to your viewers in comments and other avenues which I highly respect. Sometimes RUclipsrs seem so distant but you are approachable. I imagine that you have covered just about everything there is to cover on this topic haha, or so it seems at least. I look forward with great anticipation to your new work. Is there going to be more about the KJV until the end of the year or are you going to start with the next phase of your work in your next video? I know you may not be able to say but anyhow... I am excited. Prayers for you, yours and your work for the Lord. God bless my brother!
I just want to say that I really appreciate you and the work you've done. I was KJV only for the majority of my time as a believer, but I used to struggle with motivation to read the Bible. Since I've been watching you and I've started reading the Bible in modern English, and I've fallen in love with God's ^will.
I'm greatly looking forward to both your forthcoming publications and to your future wider ministry. Thanks in advance for all your efforts and may the Lord bless you greatly.
Dear Mark, Thanks for your video. I could say much about it but I will be short and say it is a good decision. I am interested in seeing how the next year will go. I pray that it is successful, and that God will meet all your and your family’s needs. On your book I want to thank you for your book. You have been so generous with your time and talents that I thought it was only fair for me to get a copy. What struck me the most was where you talked about the things we lose with the passing of the KJV as a central focus of our Christian life. I too miss how it binds us as a people and I also miss the place it had in our culture. On a related matter, I have a similar feeling about the loss of many of the old hymns we used to sing. When I was growing up I could go into most of the churches I knew and find myself singing similar songs like “Amazing Grace”, “Just as I Am” and “How Great Thou Art”. A regular diet of these hymns was supplemented with “modern” “Scripture in song”. These became a familiar buttress to my Christian life. Now the churches I associate with sing an everchanging collection of modern worship songs. Just like contemporary versions of the Bible, I enjoy many of them. It is good to enjoy the work of so many gifted artists and see younger people profit from them. Yet, just like the KJV, I miss the regular old and familiar voice of those old hymns. An Idea I have an idea that you may want to pass on to someone following in your footsteps. I think it might tie into what you mentioned about syntax. I noticed that some KJVo people have mentioned that readability is a personal or ill-defined concept. And I think they do have a point. How do you decide if something is readable? It also raises questions like: How much does the use of only a KJV affect people’s use and understanding of the Bible? They say people can understand it o. Do they? How much effort and help do people need to understand the KJV? I believe that using only a KJV discourages people from reading the Bible. Am I right? It may be worthwhile for someone to clarify some of these questions by doing a survey or study on some of these questions. Your survey and the KJV Parallel Bible project helped your case because they provided some factual evidence to support your arguments. Some studies on how well the Bible is read and understood may also be beneficial in a similar way. For example, one might be able to say: Non-Christians are ?x more likely to read a Bible if it is a newer translation is used. ?x cannot understand a particular passage using a KJV but can with a NIV or NKJV. It takes ??? amount of time longer to understand the KJV using helps compared with another translation. I am not sure how much time this would take or if it would be worth the expense, but it may be worth it if helps in turning an abstract idea into a something tangible one. Best wishes to you, I hope you enjoyed your trip across the pond.
I have really enjoyed many of your videos. Your presentation style, knowledge, and content have helped me better understand the God's word and KJV onlyism. I look forward to what you publish in the future. Good work Mark.
While I think we can have areas of focus it’s best to be a well rounded Christian theologian who has a broad as well as deep understanding of Scripture and theological topics. To only talk about one theological topic lacks balance. I’ve appreciated your work as it is applicable to more than just the KJVO issue but Bibliology in general. Grace & Peace.
You have more than done enough putting the truth out in clear and plain language. If KJV Only zealots refuse to accept the truth or acknowledge the evil they have wrought on innocent souls they will have to answer for at the judgement. A new direction for you might be to reveal the truth of the gospel found in all of the best selling non TR translations. Given your talent in explaining scripture clearly that might be especially beneficial to new believers. In reality the gospel revealed in NKJ, NASB, NIV, ESV, etc. all speak to the lost as well as Christians in language they can understand. May you have a blessed 2025.
You’re a blessing brother… I’m KJV…but not only… Read whatever translation the Holy Spirit leads… Preach the WORD clearly for the edification of the chosen…
Mark, over the years I've watched most of your videos and have been blessed by your expertise. I remember when I was young, I was kind of that mindset but eventually came to the same conclusions you have so brilliantly made in each of your vlogs, but because of interactions with some of the most vitriolic and unreasonable people in my world you have helped me express the truth in a clear and logical way. Once you see the truth you can't unsee it and then you wonder why it is so hard for the KJV Onlyists to see it. Most of the KJV Onlyists I've known only repeat emotionally charged cliches. Really, it just comes down to this: they are following the traditions of men. Thank you so much for your excellent work and the Lord will bless you for the abuse you have had to suffer!
I have found your comments to be sound and very compassionate in how you deliver your opinions of which I have generally agreed. I think that God has used you mightily to help others to see that there are many very good translations of the Bible and many misunderstandings of what the KJV in it’s antiquated nomenclature. Thank you for all of your efforts.
"...to other nerdy Bible-related obsessions..." . Well, hopefully not about the Nephilim. One of these days I'm wanting to apologize to you face to face, and having said that, I know I need to be more reflective on my writing style, but there's one obscure subject that dips into apologetics, Mark, that Bible believers almost never talk about, and that is the necessity for true believers to have Christ's glory, as a result of union In Christ, so we could actually see the Father directly without being zapped. I'm not a writer, but you are. Anyway, you did say you were praying for direction, and that's what really matters! As a side note, we're getting visitors because of the website you built, so much appreciation for that!
I'm not sure if it was in the TBS booklet mentioned, but in one of them I found it odd in a supposedly serious defence of only using the AV/KJV that some reasons for insisting on it were to ensure people would still want to use hymn books with thees and thous and I think it also said that using modern Bibles would lead to people not praying in archaic English... It's hard to engage on issues with reason when emotion seems to be heavily influencing thinking. Thanks for all the useful videos. I will continue to read the NIV, CSB & NKJV (and sing old hymns whenever I can!)
Hi Mark, if I understand your comments about the new direction for the channel then I am very excited. I've even become a member to support the work. One issue I have seen among those of us who are non-KJV onlyists is the unstated but implied idea that a person does not really "know" the Bible until they read it in the original languages. While I understand the importance and value of learning the biblical languages, I worry we have made their comprehension an artificial divide in the body. Can I really say that the young seminary graduate who just learned Greek and Hebrew really "knows" the word of God better than the 80 year old grandmother that has been in that word daily for decades in English? I see this idea crop up often, especially among laypeople, who assume that the "real" meaning of God's word lays hidden from them behind the Greek and Hebrew. It has always struck me as problematic, especially since I am in the protestant tradition, which labored so long to render the Bible in the language of the peoples.
Mark, I was never KJV only but I profited from sharing your work with those who were weighing the KJVO/TR arguments. I was familiar with the broad outlines of the subject, but you brought the goods. In fact, just last week I shared one of your playlists with a friend who seemed taken with pro-TR arguments and seemed to be making a KJVO-lite apologia. However, your scholarly influence I think actually pales in comparison with that of your godly demeanor. The Spirit working through you has convicted me of the importance of winning people rather than arguments. I humbly ask you to continue in the same Spirit, brother. Thank you!
Hi Dr. Ward, can you do a video on 1 Corinthians 11 and the prayer veiling for women? It’s a passage that has more interpretations than most cardinal doctrines of the faith, meanwhile others don’t exegete it at all… I researched for many years, but I like your way of dealing with the scripture.
Ha! He's right. A good enemy really is a help. Vile and vicious ones not so much. But I have had just a few very good enemies, men I genuinely respect.
I think I first met you in Heidelberg when you were serving with the MMT haven’t stopped watching your content since I’ve found your channel. BJU has made a difference in my life and I guess in yours. I’ve heard churches even in Germany have been arguing about the KJV. And some people seem to think in similar ways about Luther’s translation. Grateful that it hasn’t grown to a movement. Keep on doing the good work!
I'm eagerly awaiting your next adventure, dear brother! As you take these next steps of faith, you go with my prayers for you, your family, and your own relationship with our great and compassionate Father. If there are any specific prayer requests you would ask of us- your humble community- please share them, whether here or elsewhere. May God truly bless you, your loved ones and your ministry.
Mark I'm a high school dropout of which I am not proud of but your channel and sharing your education and knowledge freely is extremely helpful to me in understanding the scriptures . Do not allow the naysayers get to you always do the will of God . Love your brother in Christ .
I appreciate that!
@@wardonwords
Brother Mark... I believe that you have good things to say about this subject matter and there's not enough people who speak as strongly against KJV onlyism as you do..
KJV onlyism is literally cultist whenever it's taken to its logical conclusion and it's divisive and doesn't have any answers for the non English speaking church..
@@rauldelarosa2768 If you are against KJV onlyism what exactly does that translate too, or mean, is it that you must trust all or at least use multiple versions of Bible to be a good Christian. It is so strange to me that recognizing the KJB to be different than any other version today (and it is textually/factually/historically), is considered a bad point to uphold. and to stand upon this One Book you also say is His word but not for today because you feel it has readability issues, is to me farcical and absurd reality..
@Obediah002 what's absurd is to place your entire trust in an archaic English Anglican church translation that is not today's English.. moreover you have no answers for the non English speaking church.
What do you say to my Spanish and Portuguese speaking brethren?
And before you say it.. there's no English to Spanish equivalent of the Reina Valera .
And even the two or three out there are competing for relevance within the Spanish ifb church community.
I own a Reina Valera purificada.
It's not word for word verbatim the KJV translated.
I know.
I'm fully bilingual.
@Obediah002 I sat under KJV only teaching for half a decade and find the arguments lacking.
*Slams laptop shut* >> "Now I need to go film a video in London."
HA! (I read this and "liked" before even seeing the name.) I vote for a musical duet in front of Big Ben!
Ha! It was super fun! I can't believe I found some of those spots; I was able to be in the crowd without being in the way.
Brother I am a 69 year Christian man who was born again young at the age of 10. I have persevered in the faith ever sense that time. I have listened and agree with you 100 percent on this issue. You have many many more brothers and sisters in Christ who agree with you.
Mark, thank you for your work, and your spirit. As a former KJV only guy, I have learned so much from your work. I pray God's blessings on your future endeavors.
Many thanks, Stephen. I'm honored.
I was a lifelong KJVO, now I’m just a KJV-Preferred. Your work on this topic has been thorough, informative, and actually very convincing. I truly believe it is the Lord’s work. Bless you, brother!
I would be interested in what factors of the King James Bible you prefer and why. If it could be done briefly. Thanks.
@@warnerchandler9826
there are too many GREAT things... regarding the King James to keep anything brief..
I don't even count it's poetry or archaic language use among the reason I am a KJV Onlyist...
One main reason I am one.. is because for the last few years.. I have been examining the liberties and how corrupt the Modern translations are... even Frank Logsdon... one of the main editors.. of the NASB for the Lockman Corporation.. repented of the abomination... as he calls it .. which he heled to create..
I think when one who was once an advocate for a translation comes back later and repudiates all his work... and asks God to forgive him.. for his sin... that says a lot..
as far as the NKJV.?.. well these translators... just under handedly LIED to everyone.... in their premise to the original 1982 NKJV.. they state that the NKJV was created as a transition bible... for those who wished to get away from the language of the KJV... yet keep the same structure of the verses... in other words,, the verses would STILL mean the same as they did in the KJV... well that was a LIE.. many verses were altered without cause...and the unsuspecting public is None the wiser...
the ESV is loaded with changes to verses that at best many verses seem to contradict itself....
and the NIV.. is wrought with the same translational flaws as some of these other ones have... especially the NIV2011...
compare Mark 1:41 from the NIV 2011 to any other translation and you will see this...
the King James.. is the ONLY safe reliable translation to use.. nowadays...
@@PastorJohnsPerspective me as well, you prefer? Has God not said, jer 23:30 Jeremiah 23:30 KJVS
Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith the LORD, that steal my words every one from his neighbour.
I’m with God on this one.
Can't wait for the next chapter. Thank you for all your work you put into this. I'm eternally grateful.
I’m grateful to you, too. Thank you for your friendship and the many ideas you’ve sent.
Thank you Mark for all your work. Surely is not in vain, God will honor your efforts to make His Word clear to the English speaking people. I learned many things from you and I share many videos, obviously receiving attacks, but it's worth it. I hope your new adventure comes with more existing things in the future. Love you brother and God bless you
Thank you!
Hi Mark… I was just interviewed on the topic of self-care… I am a retired Prison Chaplain of a maximum security adult male prison.. over 25 years I saw much violence that never makes it into the tv prison shows… I heard more toxic language, thought and worldviews virtually everyday, from inmates and staff… I congratulate you on your decisions concerning engagement with KJV- Onlyism… take care of your soul, mind, and spirit… self-care and times of withdrawal are not to be construed as ‘surrender’… I think of Jesus, and how often he withdrew to have times of solitude and prayer…. May you have great peace, brother!
I can imagine it’s not an easy task, especially when you see the KJVO crowd as brothers and sisters in Christ and they call you a heretic without listening to what you say. Your body of work is out there and can stand on its own.
Looking forward to following you in future. Love your content.
God bless 🙏
Many, many people do listen! But, yes, it can be a burden to see oneself misrepresented. =(
Mark, thank you for your work. I am among the "thousands" who your work has influenced and I am forever grateful. It was delight to meet you that one time at the Museum of the Bible and I pray for you every time I drink from the Logos mug you gifted me. Your work has helped me to both fall in love with God's word more than ever and to lead our church away from KJVOism with very little fall out. I look forward to your future work on hermeneutics. Ironically something I was never taught in my years at Hyles-Anderson College.
Amen! I'm so glad!
After reflection, I have only one comment. If those who support KJV-Only are true Christians or become Christians as a result of reading the KJV Bible, then I am satisfied. An argument doesn't change anything important. I will just smile at them and press on. I choose to use other translations as well as KJV. I learn more from the interaction. The main issue is whether people are won to the Lord regardless of where they are exposed to the gospel. I used a very simple translation of English when I led a Japanese church and I am convinced they became Christians as a result. We used other translations when I spoke to the people of Malawi and they came to the Lord as well. The main thing is the gospel, however we present it as long as it is biblical.
I have become free from the chains of bondage that KJVO was for me.
I grew up in a church that thought Jesus Christ himself wrote the words in King James English, and they believed that all other translations were imposters.
After a lifetime of feeling chained to the King James translation, the deep fear that was drilled into me for reading any other translations, because they all had some kind of
hidden agenda to mislead readers and get them backslidden, and them doing so by adding to, or taking away from God’s Word.
The inward guilt, shame and condemnation I felt at times was very heavy. And all because of my wanting to read a different English translation just for better understanding?
I no longer feel guilt, shame or condemnation.
I no longer fear being mislead, or subjected to some evil hidden agenda.
I no longer feel the need to have a King James Bible strapped to me at all times, just to compare when I read a different translation.
Although I have over my lifetime memorized King James verses only, I no longer do so. When I memorize Scripture I do so with any translation I want, or like.
I owe my freedom from this ball and chain, in part, to you, Mark Ward. I found your channel last summer and I want to thank you wholeheartedly for enduring whatever persecution and hardships you endured to set people free from that heavy bondage.
Freedom from that kind of oppression sure feels good.
God bless you.
Mark, through your ministry, my confidence in English translations has only been strengthened. The amount of detail, effort, study and reasoning put behind good translations has been made more evident. I love the work you have put into false friends, so much that it encourages me to understand passages to which the author intended through usage of modern language in translations. Clearly you have revealed that language changes and the application of 1 Corinthians 14 solidifies the grace God has given to allow us the ability to understand His Word in faithful translations. I look forward to all new nerdy word studies you so graciously give.
Amen! Thank you for these kind words!
“Anything good that I have done is a gift of God; what do I have that I did not receive” Mark, I appreciate you.
Mark, you and your work have been a blessing to me and, clearly from the multitude of comments here, so many others. Sharing truth often comes with a price. Thank you for absorbing that abuse, we are the beneficiaries of your fortitude.
Thank you-I really appreciate this! May the Lord bless you.
Thank you Mark for arming us with the truth the WORD of GOD.
Amen!
I spent 14 years dealing with Mormonism every day. I didn't believe that I needed to leave that work, but God so ordered my circumstances that I did leave, and in the almost 30 years since then I've realized that God in fact doesn't want me in that ministry anymore, except as local, specific opportunities come my way. The "fire" that God kindled in me for that work, He put out when it was time for me to do other things. So I know something, if not everything, about your current situation. May God bless you in your new and different endeavors.
As a side note, when I came to Christ in 1983 I didn't even know there was any other translation than the KJV. I wound up being KJV-only, but though I never had any serious problems understanding the KJV, I eventually came to see that KJV-onlyism is both contrary to the KJV, to the KJV's own translators, and to plain reason. I tested multiple translations, and settled on the 1995 NASB, which I used for about 20 years. Then when the Legacy Standard Bible came out I examined it, and I've now been using it for a couple or three years. Just as I don't know Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, and thus require the Bible in English, so I'm not living in the 17th century but the 21st, and require a translation that, without being untrue to the original text, and without descending into mere transitory slang, is in current English. 🙂
Thank you, brother Mark, for all you've done. God bless you for both the truth and clarity you have provided in the past to help us, your brothers and sisters, and also with direction as you continue to follow God's leading.
Many thanks!
I came to be equipped against KJVO. Stayed because I was blessed and encouraged in faith and love for God's word. Your work has been an enormous blessing. I'm remaining a supporter because I'm excited to see what you do next and optimistic for the future!
This is very kind!
End of an era… sort of. Your work is continuing as others influence their friends and families using what you’ve provided. Opponents will try to draw you back out. They will present you as defeated. But you didn’t lose. They just don’t know it yet. Thank you.
I pray this is so. And my videos will remain.
Coming from a person who has newly discovered you and your work, im both sad and happy. Thank you for carrying the torch. Looking for your next endeavor.
Welcome aboard!
There are many hours of videos that will remain up!
Thank you, Mark. I probably didn't realize the depth of your KJV-Onlyism work, but I've appreciated every presentation or article I've read. You will continue to be a recommended resource!
Wow, thank you!
Thank you, Mark, for the work you have done. I especially appreciate your "false friends" series and your recently uploaded video on Psalm 12:6-7.
I wish you and your family God's mighty blessing as you move on to pastures new as your Shepherd leads.
I'm excited to hear you're moving on in the debate and going to expand your channel! I have, on several occasions, thought you shouldn't have to keep repeating yourself. I'm looking forward to your new content in the coming year! God bless!
Having been raised in a KJVO community, I greatly appreciate your work, Dr. Ward. From within such a community, alternative viewpoints are frightening and obscure, as you well know. Thank you for sacrificing your time and efforts and utilizing your talents to shed light on this issue. Your method is a paragon to be modeled after should the opportunity arise for me to broach this issue in that same, dear community of my raising. May God receive all the glory for these efforts of yours, and may God bless your work to come.
Thank you so much for these kind words.
@@wardonwords
I for one ...am GLAD that you have moved on to different pastures... so to speak... but I do Not count this as a victory by any means... since I have NOT convinced you to become a KJV Onlyist...
which was my prayer for you and James White..
but I have Not lost hope...
I believe that as ministers, we must look deeper into Hebrew and Greek This is my desire to look deeper. Also, I believe that God has allowed his word to be translated into to various languages. I hear your voice pastor Ward. I believe God wants us to have clear understanding of his word in whatever language translation.
I love your spirit; you are gentle and smart. I am a non academic (to say the least), but dropped the KJV only when I found myself translating as I taught. You are so right about people being victims, and I’m still learning to love those who oppose. I’m excited for your next season. Every blessing, dear brother.
Man, the point you made about syntax is so key. Difficult or out of date words are greatly handled by books like yours Mark, but my issues with reading the KJV has always been sentence structure. I have so often read a chapter from the KJV and then read it in a modern translation and realized I have missed very important points. Not because of archaic words, but because of syntax. Thank you for all your work Brother. God bless your future.
(KJV onlyist here)As a person gets used to the Bible, they learn the words. I see other versions as I see men. They may help me understand hard things but I don't trust what they say with my life.
@@BibleThumpr I really recommend looking at interlinear Bibles too, even mechanical translations like the Mechanical Translation Project or even BibleHub which has a very good one which helps you to acquire vocabulary of the Hebrew words of the Old Testament. It does take more time to use an interlinear - that’s if you are using it to find more about what the actual original meaning is. The Hebrew Old Testament is brilliant because there are many play-on-words that are completely missed because of translation and ties to prophecy. King James was the first Bible version I ever read and was my number 1 for years until I became aware that it was not perfect and still much to be learned by looking at the original language of either the OT and NT. There are also connections between words used in one place which point to another specific place in scripture with that same Hebrew word, and we know live in the technology age and have the opportunity to use these tools to further grow in knowledge and save time than the previous generations. It’s also easier for us to take these things for granted.
There are many times I have found the KJV completely translate a word that is misleading of the original Hebrew.. which can change the whole meaning. For example, off the top of my head, regarding a really important prophecy in Ezekiel, where the Hebrew says literally “the land of Kenani (Canaan/Canaanites)” and the translations has it as “the land of merchants.” Well, a lot of the prophecies would become so much more clear by seeing the original language
The KJV also includes significant translation errors (because the Translators were familiar with Classical Greek not the Koine Greek that the New Testament was actually written in) along with quite deliberate mistranslations in the entire Bible.
@@allangibson8494 what are they?
@ There are dozens of them, including “Unicorn” (Rhinoceros), inserting references to witches in place of the original “Poisoner” (James had a thing about witches), removing all references to “tyrants” (another thing James was sensitive about), editing the eighth commandment (which in the original Hebrew was about wage theft) (slavery was still a “thing”), the geographical errors caused because the Greeks didn’t have words for places (a particular problem for the original Septuagint translators)….
I salute all the work you have put into the KJV subject. You are one of men that got me away from KJV only.
Mark, thank you so much for your body of work on KJVO. It has blessed me personally and deeply. I look forward to your new direction, and I believe that it will be a blessing to me and those I serve. God bless you!
So encouraging! Thank you!
I just discovered your videos last week and really helping me out greatly!
This KJV Onlyism is hurting our church and causing great discord. It distracts us from winning souls for Christ. Instead, we engaged in trying to out smart and drown the other.
I really appreciate your hard work.
Amen. Thank you!
Mark, I certainly don't blame you and see your point. There are so many other areas where you can minister. Keeping your books and videos available should be sufficient. Your arguments have always been cogent and your attitude Christian.
Of course, I'm not KJV-ONLY but I know many who are. Most of them are good, sincere Christians who truly believe someone is try to "change the Word of God. " I believe you have made a great, positive, helpful contribution to the dialogue.
KJV videos were very good especially the false friends. Teaching me to understand the bible better but also English in general. You are always loving and kind in your approach and I know you are receiving fire from the other side.
Thank you so much.
As far as KJVonliests, your loving care towards them seemed to be impeccable. I have learned how to deal with not only the KJVers with a little more self control, but, that has spread out into other areas as well as I've seen you put it into action. Thank you very very much Dr. Ward.
Thank you!
There are no new arguments left on the shelf. Glad you can move on to fresh projects.
If there are new arguments, I don't know them. I've run out!
Thanks Mark. You were key on breaking me away from KJVO!
Glad to help! Praise God!
Mark you are great while I grew up in a church that wasn't KJVO there were 3 'correct' traditions some of which i struggled with and watching your videos has helped me understand the Bible correctly and now am able to help my family who still attened that Church.
I'm so thankful for all the resources you have given us on this topic. I'm praying my alma mater, PCC, will take you up on the debate. Would be great to see. God bless
Thank you!
I get what you're saying. I appreciate your work. I agree with you about some things , other things I disagree with you. But I easily understand where you are coming from and highly respect you as well . Good luck, and may God bless you in your endeavors.
Thank you-I'm honored.
Mark, this was quite a moving video. I am truly saddened to hear how you have been pushed to this decision, but I understand. You made a comment about how you feel that you have been blessed with an extra dose of patience and an extra dose of letting-things-slide-off-your-back. (I’m paraphrasing there.) I can see that for sure!
A while back, I sent one of your podcasts to my father (a pastor and missionary). And I said, “I came across this guy named Mark Ward. He’s a Bible scholar and his calling is to help people move away from KJV onlyism. This podcast blew me away on multiple levels. If you ever needed a perfect example of grace and truth, this guy is it.”
That’s the truth Mark. It is inspiring to see how well you lift up those you disagree with.
Thank you for what you do and, maybe more importantly, how you do it.
That really is too kind. But it’s very encouraging. Thank you!
My first thought upon clicking: I can't believe he went to London just to film this video!
I only discovered you recently. Until now, I had NO IDEA the extent of this issue. But even I could've told you this is not good to be involved in, long term. Please stick to your decision as closely as possible. People will try to drag you back in. Also, I do not believe people spewing those vile things at you are even regenerate. I hate to see someone like you treated this way. They will stand before Christ to give account for their filth. Please do everything you can to stay away from people like that. It's not healthy.
Anyway, I'm glad you are finally taking a rest. You've earned it.
Ha! I was there for other reasons! Wish I could travel the world just to make videos-that would be fun!
All right, Yesica, in response to your writing "I can't believe he went to London just to film this video!", I will paraphrase a song by Broadway musical composer/producer George M. Cohan:
He's a yankee doodle dandy, a yankee doodle do or die.
A real live scholar of the KJV, and with Onlyists he's willing to try.
He's got a yankee doodle sweetheart back there on her flower farm.
Yankee doodle went to London just to film this video,
Mark is that yankee doodle man.
@@annakimborahpa
* sings it in my head *
Hahaha! Loved it!
Sad you're moving on, glad you're moving on, and glad for your future! Thanks for being a colossal blessing to so many. God has gifted you generously, and you've (primarily) played two or three notes very well to His glory and done so very successfully. But I look forward to seeing the full range of the instrument you've been designed to be with this chapter behind you. Cheers and God bless!
Also, love that very particular word choice for your first credo at the end. ;)
Thank you!
Saw in an interview you talking more about your plans for the new year (the “embarrassment of riches” approach ). I was encouraged with this - how you’re building on the work you’ve already done, but taking it in a Php 4:8 direction.
As you’re wrapping up this phase, I hope many others continue the work you’ve started. Extreme KJVO-ism is a divisive faction causing more harm than good and honest believers need to stand up for the unity of the Body Of Christ and promote confidence in the living Word of God.
God bless you Mr. Ward ✝️
Many thanks!
I want to thank you for all the work that you've done to help me understand and think about the KJVO. AND, all the work you will do in the future to help me and others to understand our Bibles better. Thank You.
Wow, thank you!
Thanks!
You bet!
Mark, I appreciate your videos! I spent 8 years in a King James only church and when life moved on from that I had no resolve. Then, about 8 years after leaving, I found your videos and in a way it provided healing for me. And your approach is so humble! You have brought concepts and valuable information that was previously only made for those who have attended seminary to those who plow the fields. Thank you so much!
Also, I want to say how in that very wide shot it was kind of funny to see the people walking past you confused who you were talking to! 😂
Yeah, there was especially one really curious guy!
I’m so glad to have been able to serve you.
I'm one of those who come to love KJV because of your videos. God bless on your next projects.
Awesome! Thank you!
I have learned so much from your gentle polite work!
I have been hurt but the KJVO guys and pray that any future interaction I will be able to also demonstrate love
Well said!
You have more than enough information regarding the TR, KJVO and the CT that it speaks for itself! Move forward from this chapter in your ministry and Thank You! Blessings
Thank you!
I appreciate the work that you do. As someone who used to lean KJV only, I am grateful for your explanations and detailed monologue's about Bible translation. Thank you for your work sir.
You are very welcome!
Great words of humility and wisdom. You’re doing the right thing.
Thank you, my friend.
Thanks Mark! Very much appreciate your work so far and greatly looking forward to your new stuff 👍
Me too!
I appreciate everything that has been said and written. Wheras your experience was positive with KJV onlyism my only interactions have negative with someone refusing to allow my NIV in the church revival services and random parishioners who refused to listen to any discussion and left. . I have family members who treat me as non Christian due to refusing to accept their KJV only ideas a they will put my other translations in drawers lest their children get ahold of and be deceived. I appreciate the attitude, original approach, and intent. The KJV only crowd can be incredibly hard crowd to reason with and you've demonstrated far more charity and patience than I have. . May tge Lord bless you in whatever endeavors the Lord has for you in the future
Yes, my sister calls it the, "Nearly Inspired Version" - however- I see some marked improvement in the 2011 NIV. I will use it sometimes. "An unused Bible is a terrible waste."
I didn't have to make up my positive experiences. They really were positive. But I recognize that others have seen family division, broken engagements, lost friendships because of KJV-Onlyism. I will never get to preach at the church I attended in high school unless they leave KJV-Onlyism. And some people from my Christian school who ought to be my friends are not because of it. I have faced loss, too.
@markwardonwords every one's experience is different. My one experience with this crowd is incredibly negative with what I hope does not represent the mainline KJV only crowd and except for quotation in old books I've never read tge KJV and have no sentimental attachment to it. My wife grew up in a now defunct KJV only church and had an incredible experience and even uses it for her devotions.
@markwardonwords in any case your videos have helped me to address the issue in my family in a kind , constructive way that I hope will bear fruit.
That's not a zombie face. That's an alien face from the John Carpenter film They Live. In that satirical horror-action movie, extraterrestrials have taken over human society undetected, and they hide subliminal messages everywhere: billboards, magazines, and so on. The only way to see the messages for what they are--and to spot who is or isn't an alien in disguise--is to wear a pair of sunglasses (which work almost like 3D specs). The hidden messages say things like, "Obey," "Consume," "Reproduce," and "Stay Asleep."
In other words, they're saying that you're part of the hidden agenda to control the masses, and Ruckman is Rowdy Roddy Piper.
It's a pretty clever deep-cut!
Aha!
I love the interview about a translation in Israel using biblical languages like modern Hebrew one using biblical hebrew as a base as well, I hope you do other translation from modern languages as well, whether spanish, portuguese, greek and translations using biblical languages. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and helping us grow, God bless you and your family 😄
Yes, I really need to do that!
There's so much wisdom here, brother. You have proven your point conclusively with your readability study. It's a good time to step away. Moving to teaching people how to read and understand the Bible is a great idea. There's plenty of need for a godly word nerd here.
Thank you, my friend.
🥳 OnWard and upWard!
Ha, yes!
Punny, very very punny.... I mean funny. Lol 😂
Watching your debate made me think of something one of my teachers told me: Don't try to teach a pig how to sing. It frustrates the teacher and irritates the pig. You have done all you can to help them. Do some things that bring you joy and let the seed you have planted sprout.
Ha!
For many of them, this is too true. For many more of them, I still hold out hope!
Finally. Use your gifts for something else.
There's so much to know about the Bible.
Right!
I was never a KJV-onlyist, but I was a KJV-bestist personally. I especially never disparaged those who didn't use the KJV.
I thank Mark for his work and for opening my eyes about other versions. I have Authorized on Audible. I have three nice KJV Bibles within view in this room, but I pick up and read my NASB1995 now.
Many thanks! So meaningful!
You have taught me more than you could know and I don't expect that will change, as I will continue to follow your work. I do hope your challenge to others to pick up the torch on the KJVO is accepted...that battle isn't over. But as you say, there are other topics worthy of hard work so I'm excited to see them come to fruition. I also think you'll have occasional opportunity to use in the future what you've spent so much time and effort on in the past, and I hope you'll do so with joy. I doubt many of us on this side of the comment thread know how hard this struggle has been for you at times but please know that in the same way, you (on the other side of the comment thread) have helped us even more...your stripes have been well-compensated. I look forward to where this will lead. Thank you for your faithful service!
Thank you, my friend! Kind words!
Man, I want that Ruckman/Rambo picture as a poster.
But, seriously, I don't blame you, Mark, for pulling back. And full credit for not getting upset by the truly ridiculous abuse, like that picture.
Thank you, friend.
I believe Mark Ward needs to go straight to God's presence (in His time)! His actions are all gentle and loving and he obediently challenges false prophets that distort God and His Word. God bless and guide you in your next steps, Truth friend.
Brother, the value goes far beyond the topic you were addressing. It stands as an example of Christian character that I (and probably many others) need to emulate. I can appreciate that this was a difficult video to make, but by God's grace, He has led you magnificently. May His blessings and His Spirit continue to honor your work, wherever it may take you.
I'll look forward to the next chapter of Biblical geekery.
Me too!
Brother Mark, thank you for your work! Your content has been a great help to me.
I appreciate that!
I will note, PCC is making strides to leave extreme IFB fundamentalism.
There’s been some…. Policy changes in the last year where it’s becoming a little more evangelical friendly, and less IFB.
I think the women are allowed to wear pants there now. And they associate with non IFB, non strict KJVo, congregations in the area.
I have some mutual connections in the area so I love hearing progress in that world. I heard they have non KJVo staff. But the dress code change is a huge deal there, it was always held to the same level of standard as their translational preference, in my opinion!
I think so, too. I have some good friends down there.
@ We shall see. Always depends on the top administration.
I'm thankful for the work you've done Mark. Even though I wasn't KJVO I felt pressure to keep using it even though it was becoming more of a burden than a blessing. You helped me to get free of that heavy burden. God bless brother be at peace looking forward to other nerdy content 😊
I'm fairly new to reading the bible (and watching bible related videos on RUclips) and this video of yours have shocked me so much. I cannot believe that Christian people can and will treat eachother like that. I'm really sorry. But I look forward to following your channel. Thank you from Denmark.
It's a minority. And the true Christians out there who act like that often do so out of fear. And they aren't like that in all their dealings.
The people who are, the ones who are full of hate and not love, are by definition not true Christians. =(
I want to say, too, that I experienced real love in KJV-Only churches growing up.
Good work! Keep singing, too.
Thank you! Will do!
@@wardonwords Yes, please!
Dear Dr. Ward.
You know the NT was written in the Koine Greek. The kitchen language. The language spoken by the everyday housewife, child, sandwich making teen. You know the NT was never intended to be a scholarly work of art (even though it is).
The intentions are clear, but our minds are not.
Gay used to mean happy. Thee, thou, art not should not understand the words precedethness from thy lips.
You fought a good fight, and I for one would like to use your videos for my ministry. My specialty is with other fish, but the fish you fried sets me at ease for conversations with the KJV Only movement.
Keep to the kitchen language. Thats where we educate our children, not where we debate stiff-necked people.
Brother,
I am so thankful for your work. It has helped me with straight information but also helped me to be more prudent in recognizing words that may affect meaning.
You have actually responded to your viewers in comments and other avenues which I highly respect. Sometimes RUclipsrs seem so distant but you are approachable.
I imagine that you have covered just about everything there is to cover on this topic haha, or so it seems at least. I look forward with great anticipation to your new work.
Is there going to be more about the KJV until the end of the year or are you going to start with the next phase of your work in your next video? I know you may not be able to say but anyhow... I am excited.
Prayers for you, yours and your work for the Lord. God bless my brother!
I'm still going on the KJV till Dec 31!
I just want to say that I really appreciate you and the work you've done. I was KJV only for the majority of my time as a believer, but I used to struggle with motivation to read the Bible. Since I've been watching you and I've started reading the Bible in modern English, and I've fallen in love with God's ^will.
Er...that last word was supposed to be "word". I typed it in braille, and sometimes I can get some interesting typos.
This is a great encouragement. Thank you!
I'm greatly looking forward to both your forthcoming publications and to your future wider ministry. Thanks in advance for all your efforts and may the Lord bless you greatly.
Many thanks, brother!
@@wardonwords You are very welcome. I trust that your stay over here in the UK has been pleasurable and worthwhile.
Dear Mark,
Thanks for your video. I could say much about it but I will be short and say it is a good decision. I am interested in seeing how the next year will go. I pray that it is successful, and that God will meet all your and your family’s needs.
On your book
I want to thank you for your book. You have been so generous with your time and talents that I thought it was only fair for me to get a copy.
What struck me the most was where you talked about the things we lose with the passing of the KJV as a central focus of our Christian life. I too miss how it binds us as a people and I also miss the place it had in our culture.
On a related matter, I have a similar feeling about the loss of many of the old hymns we used to sing. When I was growing up I could go into most of the churches I knew and find myself singing similar songs like “Amazing Grace”, “Just as I Am” and “How Great Thou Art”. A regular diet of these hymns was supplemented with “modern” “Scripture in song”. These became a familiar buttress to my Christian life.
Now the churches I associate with sing an everchanging collection of modern worship songs. Just like contemporary versions of the Bible, I enjoy many of them. It is good to enjoy the work of so many gifted artists and see younger people profit from them. Yet, just like the KJV, I miss the regular old and familiar voice of those old hymns.
An Idea
I have an idea that you may want to pass on to someone following in your footsteps. I think it might tie into what you mentioned about syntax.
I noticed that some KJVo people have mentioned that readability is a personal or ill-defined concept. And I think they do have a point. How do you decide if something is readable? It also raises questions like:
How much does the use of only a KJV affect people’s use and understanding of the Bible? They say people can understand it o. Do they?
How much effort and help do people need to understand the KJV?
I believe that using only a KJV discourages people from reading the Bible. Am I right?
It may be worthwhile for someone to clarify some of these questions by doing a survey or study on some of these questions. Your survey and the KJV Parallel Bible project helped your case because they provided some factual evidence to support your arguments. Some studies on how well the Bible is read and understood may also be beneficial in a similar way. For example, one might be able to say:
Non-Christians are ?x more likely to read a Bible if it is a newer translation is used.
?x cannot understand a particular passage using a KJV but can with a NIV or NKJV.
It takes ??? amount of time longer to understand the KJV using helps compared with another translation.
I am not sure how much time this would take or if it would be worth the expense, but it may be worth it if helps in turning an abstract idea into a something tangible one.
Best wishes to you, I hope you enjoyed your trip across the pond.
I have really enjoyed many of your videos. Your presentation style, knowledge, and content have helped me better understand the God's word and KJV onlyism. I look forward to what you publish in the future. Good work Mark.
I’m honored!
What microphone are you using? Do you use it for all of your outside videos?
I've mostly been using the Tascam DR-10L Pro.
While I think we can have areas of focus it’s best to be a well rounded Christian theologian who has a broad as well as deep understanding of Scripture and theological topics. To only talk about one theological topic lacks balance. I’ve appreciated your work as it is applicable to more than just the KJVO issue but Bibliology in general. Grace & Peace.
Thank you for your work.
Thank you.
Thanks Mark! Love your stuff and looking forward to seeing what comes next for you brother! Keep pressing on for King Jesus!
Thank you! Will do!
You have more than done enough putting the truth out in clear and plain language. If KJV Only zealots refuse to accept the truth or acknowledge the evil they have wrought on innocent souls they will have to answer for at the judgement. A new direction for you might be to reveal the truth of the gospel found in all of the best selling non TR translations. Given your talent in explaining scripture clearly that might be especially beneficial to new believers. In reality the gospel revealed in NKJ, NASB, NIV, ESV, etc. all speak to the lost as well as Christians in language they can understand. May you have a blessed 2025.
Thank you!
You’re a blessing brother… I’m KJV…but not only… Read whatever translation the Holy Spirit leads… Preach the WORD clearly for the edification of the chosen…
Right!
Thank you, Mark for what you have done. I look forward to learning from you in the future.
May God bless you in what comes next!
Looking forward to what's ahead for you. I value your research and perspective!
Many thanks!
Ohhh yeah, i love bible things. I love learning more about the history of the bible.
Love your work Mark! It’s helped me in so many ways over the past several years! Thank you! Looking forward to your next chapter! 🙌🏽
Thanks so much!
I’ve enjoyed your videos on the KJV.
Thank you so much!
Mark, over the years I've watched most of your videos and have been blessed by your expertise. I remember when I was young, I was kind of that mindset but eventually came to the same conclusions you have so brilliantly made in each of your vlogs, but because of interactions with some of the most vitriolic and unreasonable people in my world you have helped me express the truth in a clear and logical way. Once you see the truth you can't unsee it and then you wonder why it is so hard for the KJV Onlyists to see it. Most of the KJV Onlyists I've known only repeat emotionally charged cliches. Really, it just comes down to this: they are following the traditions of men. Thank you so much for your excellent work and the Lord will bless you for the abuse you have had to suffer!
I have found your comments to be sound and very compassionate in how you deliver your opinions of which I have generally agreed. I think that God has used you mightily to help others to see that there are many very good translations of the Bible and many misunderstandings of what the KJV in it’s antiquated nomenclature. Thank you for all of your efforts.
Does one condemn the pianful needle of stitches, or does one condemn the wound that necessitated the needle to achieve healing?
"...to other nerdy Bible-related obsessions..." . Well, hopefully not about the Nephilim.
One of these days I'm wanting to apologize to you face to face, and having said that, I know I need to be more reflective on my writing style, but there's one obscure subject that dips into apologetics, Mark, that Bible believers almost never talk about, and that is the necessity for true believers to have Christ's glory, as a result of union In Christ, so we could actually see the Father directly without being zapped. I'm not a writer, but you are. Anyway, you did say you were praying for direction, and that's what really matters!
As a side note, we're getting visitors because of the website you built, so much appreciation for that!
I’m so glad! That was a labor of love and gratitude for PV!
I'm not sure if it was in the TBS booklet mentioned, but in one of them I found it odd in a supposedly serious defence of only using the AV/KJV that some reasons for insisting on it were to ensure people would still want to use hymn books with thees and thous and I think it also said that using modern Bibles would lead to people not praying in archaic English... It's hard to engage on issues with reason when emotion seems to be heavily influencing thinking.
Thanks for all the useful videos. I will continue to read the NIV, CSB & NKJV (and sing old hymns whenever I can!)
Hi Mark, if I understand your comments about the new direction for the channel then I am very excited. I've even become a member to support the work.
One issue I have seen among those of us who are non-KJV onlyists is the unstated but implied idea that a person does not really "know" the Bible until they read it in the original languages. While I understand the importance and value of learning the biblical languages, I worry we have made their comprehension an artificial divide in the body. Can I really say that the young seminary graduate who just learned Greek and Hebrew really "knows" the word of God better than the 80 year old grandmother that has been in that word daily for decades in English?
I see this idea crop up often, especially among laypeople, who assume that the "real" meaning of God's word lays hidden from them behind the Greek and Hebrew. It has always struck me as problematic, especially since I am in the protestant tradition, which labored so long to render the Bible in the language of the peoples.
Very right. Your illustration of the grandmother is apropos.
Mark, I was never KJV only but I profited from sharing your work with those who were weighing the KJVO/TR arguments. I was familiar with the broad outlines of the subject, but you brought the goods. In fact, just last week I shared one of your playlists with a friend who seemed taken with pro-TR arguments and seemed to be making a KJVO-lite apologia.
However, your scholarly influence I think actually pales in comparison with that of your godly demeanor. The Spirit working through you has convicted me of the importance of winning people rather than arguments. I humbly ask you to continue in the same Spirit, brother. Thank you!
Thank you! Pray for me!
Mark love you brother and appreciate all you do and it is very obvious you are being led by The Spirit of God
Hi Dr. Ward, can you do a video on 1 Corinthians 11 and the prayer veiling for women? It’s a passage that has more interpretations than most cardinal doctrines of the faith, meanwhile others don’t exegete it at all… I researched for many years, but I like your way of dealing with the scripture.
I've put some real time into that one, but it's been a few years. Suggestion taken!
Peter Ruckman once said that everyone needs at least one good enemy. Praying for you and your family Mark.
Ha! He's right. A good enemy really is a help. Vile and vicious ones not so much. But I have had just a few very good enemies, men I genuinely respect.
I think I first met you in Heidelberg when you were serving with the MMT haven’t stopped watching your content since I’ve found your channel. BJU has made a difference in my life and I guess in yours.
I’ve heard churches even in Germany have been arguing about the KJV. And some people seem to think in similar ways about Luther’s translation. Grateful that it hasn’t grown to a movement.
Keep on doing the good work!
Really? Cool! What is your name?!
@ Eduard Klassen, I’ve attend BJU from 2007-2011.
I'm eagerly awaiting your next adventure, dear brother! As you take these next steps of faith, you go with my prayers for you, your family, and your own relationship with our great and compassionate Father. If there are any specific prayer requests you would ask of us- your humble community- please share them, whether here or elsewhere. May God truly bless you, your loved ones and your ministry.
Thank you! I need the Lord to provide for me through the work I'm doing. That's the next prayer request.