Reacting to that Owen Farrell tackle and those Springbok selections | Aotearoa Rugby Pod
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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2023
- The lads have two special guests this week with Black Fern Amy Rule joining the show to chat WXV and Tamiti Williams on board to share what his first All Blacks campaign has been like. There's plenty of international chat as well with South Africa and Australia squad namings and World Cup warm-ups delivering drama.
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England supporter here (and one despairing at our current selection, standard play and propects at RWC, compared to Scotland...). Completely agree about Farrell and its disgraceful it's been overturned. Clear red card and there is no mitigation: he was always going high with no wrap and then no remorse as you say. If 6 weeks is the entry point and with his previous 2 red cards for high tackles and others that weren't picked up, plus tackle school reductions (which clearly hasn't had any effect) then I'd have expected 8-10 weeks. I expect world rugby to appeal this decision as it makes a mockery of all the previous work at preventing head contact and undermines the new bunker review - they made the correct decision to go from yellow to red and the disciplinary panel undermined them
Farrell deserves 6 weeks he has history
At least. He clearly isnt learning anything. Id suggest a 5 game ban
Really this is the third time it should be the max 8 weeks. It’s obvious he hadn’t learned a thing
I think he should be banned for a much longer than that. He’s done this countless times now
World rugby will ensure that his ban will be short enough that he plays the opener vs Argentina
As an England fan... fingers crossed. When he plays the wingers don't see the ball.
Far worse than SBW shot against the lions and he got 4 weeks first offence. If it’s not 6 it’s a failure by irb
fucking my thoughts exactly 💯
Damn right 👉🏻
It's not the IRB who officiate! It's World Rugby (aka RFU) who pull all the strings.... ...
Far worse than SBW shot are you mad?
Not a chance , yes it was clearly a red but SBW was definitely worse. come on
Farrel has been doing this for years and getting away with it
'under pressure the most rehearsed action will come to the fore' - profound ... look at the Owen Farrell track record and what he's done through his entire career
James is right, but rather than a justification, I think it’s more damning. Why is that Farrell’s most rehearsed action? Is the onus not on the player to correct a troublesome action? Farrell is a hell of a player, but to say he has form is a huge understatement, and he showed zero remorse. Long ban is the only fitting punishment here.
And good actor as well, 2019 semi final, put on a real show when given a little push by Whitelock, result penalty reversed AB’s comeback momentum lost.
Farrell came from rugby league and at that time it's exactly how he was taught to tackle... under pressure, he reverts to his primary knowledge.
@@simonhague2674 yep .
Absolute nonsense,you wouldn’t know top level sport and pressure if it banged you in the face
I think that Scott Barret is going to target Du Pont at the WC and be the biggest villain in Rugby this year, I love it
Hopefully not, Barrent seems to have tidied his act up after easily the most deliberate dirty play, non accidental card offences in recent all black history. His high workrate will be sorely missed if he falls back into it.
Because he enjoys smashing half backs? What a hero!
@@considerthis7712part of the game mate, what’s he supposed to do leave them alone because he’s too big? 🤦🏽
Yep if he can do what he did to the Aussie half back
Slippery gecko, we’re you always a bully, or got bullied? Hope you end up in a aged care home with soiled underwear unattended for 13 hours. I love it!
I'm disappointed that so many rugby players insist on attacking Owen Farrell's shoulder with their heads. And now they expect him to get a ban from playing for six weeks. What the heck is the world coming too?!
ha haa
Dion Fourie, started his rugby career at the stormers and western province at hooker, played there for almost 10 years
Yeah because I been out of the local rugby scene loop past 5 years around I still think of him as hooker converted to loose forward so that scares ntubeni, Mbonambi or whoever was the current springbok in waiting on the stormers bench at the time.
Farrell needs a lengthy suspension, anything less will be meaningless. The man can’t, or won’t, tackle safely, so let him sit it out. No place for deliberate high shoulder charges in the game
Grant Williams can cover wing very well, also interesting fact he is the fastest Springbok in our squad.
Aaron Smith is so a GOAT that he is the most important unit in the 23 his speed and passing is how the All Blacks win big games and he is in top condition for the RWC so is the other 32 ready to play
Owen Ferrell: Mr T-rex strikes again
t-rex 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Ngl, that was funny as fuck 🤣🤣🤣
Mr T Rex...that's hilarious...😂😂😂
hey give him a break he has stopped clotheslining people
He has a record of being a 'Cheap shot' tackler. The replay shows how he wilfully bent his legs to propel his shoulder upwards to Basham's head.
Well, Farrell got off without any ban, chaps. That's an interesting precedent to set this close to the world cup.
complete fkn farce. I hope eng get knocked out in the QF.
Great show with imformed and knowledgeable punters and a real love for the game. For a New Zealand show (wont name the other one) top notch. From South Africa. 🇿🇦 Looking forward to the World Cup. With N'Tmac🇫🇷 out the All Blacks🇳🇿 really seem to be the favourites. Have a feeling we are meeting in the quarters. 🇳🇿🏉🇿🇦.
What a great interview with Amy Rule and Tamaiti Williams I’m really loving this show.
Good panel, a well balanced make up and also good to have the insight from a front row forward. I really enjoy your analysis.
Let me get this straight, a national professional rugby player who earns millions of pounds needs to be taught how to tackle??
He’s a thug. Always has been.
He knows how to tackle. But he's a coward. A fake hard man.
🤣🤣🤣
Barrett couldn't lace Duponts boots! If he catches Dupont twice in the whole 80mins he'll do well!
Dupont has been running rings round bigger and better players since he was a 5yo playin touch Rugby
Amen brother
I'll be honest. As an outside observer from SA he does nothing for England's reputation. Every time I hear of him it's either a really dangerous no arms tackle or missing one (WC final= glee). Even with Cornwall family roots and being a native English speaker I honestly feel like when we think England petulance, bad sportsmanship, whiners- he is their poster boy. The look on his face after missing that tackle in the final was absolute priceless.
Love the debate that the Bok squad is causing..hehe. Don't worry gents - sure, the de-select word was unfortunate but there's no smoke and mirrors here. 6 Games on the trot before a QF possibility and, statistically someone is going to be injured - nature of the beast (see: Ntamack, V Poortvliet etc.) Pollard and Am will be player managed to be available if needed. RassNaber foresight (Like snagging Jean Kleyn). Simple as that.
Exactly right ✅️
Thanx heaps to tamiti n amy for there time. N yer good questions allways. Cheers
Does this mean there’s one rule for the northern hemisphere players and another rule for the Southern Hemisphere players only time will tell through this World Cup well done IRB you’ve set a dangerous precedent
Yep
Basically
Top-shelf rugby content lads. Great guests. Good questions from both Bryn and Ross.
My 2c: don’t capitalize all words in the bottom tagline coz makes it awkward to read
Once Tamaiti gets over the wow factor of making the ABs, can't wait to see him rip into it up in France. He is going to be one of the personalities of the World Cup.
The All Blacks have their own Dupont. Cam Roigard I think they play very similar and Roigard isn't afraid to use his strength.
Deon Fourie played hooker for many years for the Stormers and WP before going to europe. Our front row Nyakane plays both sides as a versatile prop in the squad
Owen Farrel is a DIRTY player who has got away with it for too long. As an Englishman he has been protected. He knows what he is doing. There are many examples, and treating him differently makes a mockery of what authorities are trying to do regarding head injuries. Give him 8 - 10 weeks. He will come back and he will do it again.
Maybe dont ban him to hamstring England from within...
He received no ban at all. Unreal. Speechless.
Bollocks he ain’t dirty , grow up you ponce
Williams is an absolute machine. Monster mentality, Monster physique
Hell we have three of them in the All Blacks the Barrett brothers and Well Jordan ok Aaron Smith too
The irony is the back up 10s for England are really exciting footballers, who can play what is in front of them.
The problem is altho they’re rly exciting, Borthwick doesn’t want to use them bc it’s not his style of play - Marcus Smith is so exciting but he’ll never play ahead of Farrell or Ford under Borthwick
I agree, but it is a waste of England's talent@@GoldenGoalposts
@@douglaswright2143 100% all teams should try to play exciting rugby there’s no point in winning (or losing in Englands case) by playing boring if there’s no fans left to watch
Marcus smith defo plays as a more southern hemisphere style of rugby and it works at the harlequins because they have built a team and a game plan around him but it doesn’t work out for the England team because they are stuck in a way of northern hemisphere rugby
Wrong head coach for those players, though..
The Mighty Williams got the potential to be the greatest prop of all time, the age, the blood of a warrior race, the surroundings, the early experience, winning with the Saders and most importantly, the size, the heaviest AB ever, its all there for the taking, The new Kees Meeuws, Lessssgo brother 💪🏾
Kees Meuws/Carl Hayman...💪🏼💪🏼😤
@@Saiyan4eva Craig Dowd was without peer, as great as those two are Craig Dowd has to be first pick in any team!!
@@luger188 Craig Dowd was a helluva Prop & was great for his time but today's Pro era he's too small, Carl Hayman in his prime was 6'5, 135kgs & dominated everyone in the scrum, remember when England was talking up their loosehead Andy Sheridan who was considered the best in the world at that time destroying everyone until he came up against Hayman who taught him a lesson "2005 Lions series which Abs won 3-0, Hayman absolutely dominated Sheridan & every other prop Lions had!
@@Saiyan4eva Too small at 6'5" and 135 kgs.....I dont think so!!!! lol He's only just a bit smaller than Tumighty man!!! No, Craig Dowd was a monster then and he'd be a monster now!!
@@luger188 Need to learn how to read properly bruhh... Carl Hayman not Dowd was a behemoth of a Prop & young Tamaiti Williams has all the same attributes as a prime Hayman, size, strength & technically he'll only get better in age!
I reckon we need an extra special 10 minute immediate reaction bonus pod just on that judiciary decision on Farrell's tackle.
Out fucking rageous
On the bright side, no more debate about England's starting 10 now.
farrell's been shite at tackling for ages. he's led with his shoulder countless times and gotten away with it. he should get the book thrown at him.
Excellent show, as always.
So much for the Wallabies being dark horses, Eddie put an end to that ! Absolute madness not taking an experienced flyhallf or two who have proved to handle pressure moments like Foley or Quade. Eddie does not care about the 2003 world cup he is building for 2027... As an Aussie its just so irritating seeing our coach changed 8 months from the world cup and to see such dubious squad selections, its literally soul destroying. I really wish we still had Rennie ! Expecting to just make it out of our group but definitely knocked out in the quarters.
James is completely right. You can respect a player to much and let them do their thing. That's what Dupont had against Scotland, a defensive line that wasn't coming up to meet him.
Come RWC, Scott Barrett, Ardie Savea, Sam Cane or Shannon Frizell are going to flatten him if he runs that much.
The Boks and Ireland especially will shut that shit down quick too
@@kainoizking 100%
Lol everyone big mouth but they already played against him and he fooled them around.
It is not that easy otherwise everyone would do it.
@@alexandregarcia9726ikr, dupont has played the boks, the all blacks and ireland, and has never been 'flattened"
No ways the Boks will ask a squad member to fake an injury to go home.. the impact on squad moral would be horrendous.. remember Jacques first language is not English, so don't read too much into specific word choices..
Time will tell, the squad is only finalised in Sept. Maybe the stand-in knows already, why 4 half backs?
The crap they talk about the boks is borderline disgusting. if they did some research they would have picked up the 95% of the players has been in the boks group for quite a bit of time getting them use to the structured etc ... now they ask about 4 scrumhalves, again they didn't see the media interview where Jaques explains this.
Can't get them to understand fulfilling quotas can't really expect them to understand 4 scrumhalves 4 wings. SA since at least 2006 to my mind have always had head puzzling selections in the larger squad to accommodate political satisfaction with how many black faces are in the squad.
@@TheBuildKingRwell after 1995 can you blame us for thinking that way?
Posting after Farrell has escaped a ban! Protected species.
Du Pont seems like a mix of Joost vd Westhuizen (quick and physical) and Fourie du Preez (positional roaming).
Yes he has everything.
Sonny Bill tackled that way constantly.😂
It is a league thing. Perhaps Owen's dad instructed him that way growing up.
19:19 - Deon Fourie played multiple seasons at hooker for the Stormers.
Butch James was his mentor at tackle school🙂
As a Scot, was pleasantly surprised on Saturday. But, we still can't exit properly. If we were in England's group, I would be hopeful of getting out of the group stages. Our penalty count against decent teams is too high.
Farrell only does it on purpose to the Safas. That’s why they love him. Remember the immortal words in the Spitting Image Chicken Song. Regarding Safas!
Dupont 's jersey should have 9/10 on his back.
Like Fourie du Preez.
World rugby need to look at players coming into the tackle if you look at players many especially forward charge with their heads down I am 5foot 7 and played scrum half with an all black at flyhalf any six foot player would find it hard to tackle because of the height difference
Every forward going forward charges forward head down especially into ricks
10 weeks how long till he dose serious damage to someone... It's gone past the accident stage in my eyes!!!!!
How wrong were you guys on the Owen Farrell incident? Would love to see your "post decision" chat!
So much for all the expert opinion! Humble pie all round?
Maybe 6 weeks is right
Would the panel care to revisit their analysis of the Bok selections?
This discussion precedes the decision. Crazy
You guys called it...Siya in the team vs Wales
Well next weeks show will be interesting to say the least after today's decision.Good luck.
I think the Boks are going with Libbok for those "3 pointers". Its a big gamble IMO.
World Rugby = RFU = World Rugby = RFU = World Rugby = RFU.
Can’t wait to see the reaction to the Farrell news
Pollard will be available
Lets look at "player A" (Own Farrell) some facts, 1) New legislation set out to stop exactly this type of play, 2) player history History, 2016 5 game Ban, 2020 2 game Ban, 2023 January ban Same type of dangerous play, player A clearly has not learned his lesson. 3) does the player show remorse? Good one, usually this player is seen celebrating moments after acts of dangerous play. How will Judiciary find an excuse for another soft let off this time???
No words for that decision on Farrell 😮
New fan from America... Who are the hosts? I didn't hear their names.
France are the hosts mate. 🇫🇷
The FINAL Squad sheet isn't yet due....
&
Manie Libbok had a miserable day at the office recently but his kicking record this year is fine.
bryn hall was a good super halfback. all the best
Lmao the irony of Kiwis discussing other countries foul play 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well of course because it just happened duh
When you consider the times he has gotten away with this ’tackle’, due to refereeing inconsistency, it’s about time the book was thrown at him.
T.WILL is a BEAST!
Beast for a good 10-20min
@@AintEasy101he’s had to put in massive shifts for the saders for majority of the season, 70 sometimes 80 minutes and he was amazing through out
i like all sports stars
If it was Samoan/Tongan player hed get 20 weeks. Even with no track record.
Never like to think about about conspiracy in rugby ,but after this , it's very hard not too.
Not sure about 20 but I agree we wouldn’t be looking at the same outcome.
There would be a , we need to make an example of this guy attitude
@@camwells9726 20 weeks is an exageration - but George Moala just got 10 weeks this week for a tip tackle and he has no track record. Theres a blatant bias here
@@MrBoloYeung yeah bro I’m agreeing with you
Euro poos; fitting polo shirt.
Critiquing the Scottish defence on the Ntamach try without realising they were a scrum half down due a sin bin with a split field, bit harsh
Farrell is a Thug simple, he was only excused for the 6N against Scotland as the siting committe was English!!! Also the French first try waswhen the Scots scrum half was yellow carded it was an easy overlap for the French also the Scots outscored the French 4 trys to 3 for the French❤
🛎 end
Owen deserves a Victoria Cross, although the highlight of the game for me was Wales looking absolutely clueless against 12 men 🤣
Yeah no one's expects much from a rebuilding Wales side. England actually played better without him
And surprise... Decision gets overturned. IRB set the president so lets see how future culprits react to suspensions.
Mean neff💯 Waihapa what!👍🏽
The fix is in
Speaking as an England fan, I can't see him being at the RWC at all. If Farrell had a totally clean record for this issue I would support the idea of there being significant mitigation; Basham certainly did change direction due to contact with George and, most importantly, Basham went down onto Farrell's shoulder rather than Farrell's shoulder going up into Basham's head. But, as we all know, Farrell's record is nowhere near clean when it comes to high tackles. So, I'm afraid I have to see it as someone with a significant history of dangerous high tackles (both in domestic and international rugby) leading with his shoulder and making no attempt to wrap around and therefore the judgement should be that he put himself in a position where dangerous head contact was a likely result (he's been playing long enough to know players move about suddenly) and it is therefore his tough luck if something happens as a result.
Given his aggressive reaction to being confronted by the Welsh players he can't claim any serious remorse and then add in his significant (and recent) history for this sort of tackle, I suspect he's in deep trouble. I'm expecting the appeal against the decision to revoke the red card to be successful and for Farrell to be banned for something like 8 weeks (by which time we'll have been knocked out of the RWC). It sucks and is probably harsh on Farrell for that incident in isolation. But, to be brutally frank, Farrell missing the RWC perhaps harshly bothers me a hell of a lot less than I'm bothered by the fact Steve Thompson doesn't remember playing in the '03 RWC Final due to the immense amount of head trauma he's suffered over his career. Any rugby fan with a shred of humanity should care more about a player being diagnosed with dementia and chronic traumatic encephalopathy at 42 than about tribal loyalty. The rugby world has to accept a few years of seemingly harsh red cards and bans that perhaps don't feel quite right to re-educate the players to tackle safely, or we doom future generations of players to the horrific fate many in first couple of generations of professional players are now suffering.
Let's hope he gets 6 weeks to consider his technique.
he got let off.
@@kevinwillis6707 I read that this morning, unbelievable!
Sook
I like Bryn's Europoo's shirt
Umm or not...would love a follow-up on Farrell🍿
The commentary on the tackle ended up 180 of the results.
The big irony is that some of Farrell’s biggest haters are England fans
Indeed plus the whole rugby world is absolutely fed up of him.
@@chickentwisties2298 It speaks volumes that England fans think he should be suspended - the fact that Rugby continues to succeed in spite of World Rugby and the RFU is beyond me
So will this new ruling of only yellow card for shoulder to the head apply to all the teams or just Farrell
"Not intentional?" James pls! The tackle is named after him & used in WR videos of whats illegal. No arms, jump the shoulder into head "the Farrell Tackle" controversially used twice in 2018 to no consequence, each a carbon copy of both this yr. Plus he knows, he only uses it when the defence is broken & a try likely. And why use it in a RWC warm-up?
Exactly right, he knows exactly what he’s doing.
Cause he's dumb?😊
@@jamesm9995 i've just seen the media calling for Farrell to be given a "Masters of Tackling" on his next visit. A bit backwards IMO
@@prof_kaos9341 I think he’s done that before. They are trying to make sure he doesn’t miss any of the World Cup games, similar to Fagerson.
@@jamesm9995 yep he just got off, red card an error due to other defender. I'm speechless, thats half a dozen times hes done it to no real consequences. All Aussie panel
Can we have a reaction from these guys to the decision 🙄
Throw him out of the RWC. How can you offend, go to “tackle school”, then re-offend. Surely, you learn from your mistakes?
Something tells me they won’t dish out something really harsh here….
Come on Alan Gilpin and Co, dish out the goods to him. 😂
I'm welsh owen an amazing player, but owens tackle technique is mid chest to dislodge the ball, but he gets it wrong to many times, he hit basham in the head clear red card . But the powers to be LET'S HIM GET AWAY WITH IT. any 2 tier side with his history wouldn't play in this year's world cup. Scotland think they'll get out of there group .... honestly Ireland and south Africa in bigger trouble than they thought ....
Bring back the shoulder charge lol 😂
I thought Owen was trying to strip the ball. I also thought he made contact with the wales shoulder first and then the head.
Maybe I’ve been watching too much league lately lol, way more loose in terms of tackling.
This tackle is named for him. All a carbon copy, two in 2018 when named to two this yr. Only seen if a try is likely, but why, oh why in a RWC warm-up?
I thought there was an attempted arm wrap as well... still high, still shoulder to head but the intent? I think a yellow would’ve been fair tbh - but it’s Farrell, so they were always going to give a red. The other England yellows were more stupid decisions... the pair of them Arundell and Steward - school boy stuff!
Of course it’s intentional. He is just a grub. Pure and simple.
Willemse is most definitely not the most accurate of the potential goal kickers,that’s why they’ve tried bringing in Libbok
Maybe they remember when he was 19,20 years old playing flyhalf for the Stormers ..He kicked pretty well at the time ..But thn he started missing ,and they had to hand the kicking to SP Marais .Since thn he has been a part time kicker because he loses all confidence the moment he misses 1 .
would nt be surprised if the players decide to teach him a lesson..
It's unnecessary and inappropriate for the hosts to talk about "unfortunate happenings in the family" in the future being a ploy of SA. Espcially in the wake of Etzebeth and Hendrikse both losing their fathers.
Its his 3rd time...after years of getting away with high shoulder charges before that...
Why doesn’t anyone mention the player he injured, he failed his HIA does that not come into the decision making or conversation at all?
Did he say Scotland tired against france,you mean france tired against scotland
Owen F went to the Welsh player and apologised just after the incident. The Welsh wont want him there as they are opponents maybe in the quarter final.
The lads pretending not to be impressed with Dupont is hilarious!
I suppose Owen f did apologise to basham, at least that is in his favour.
With tackling like that is he really a world class player. There is many highlight reels of those tackles somehow going unpunished
I would love Owen Farrel to make one more head high shoulder charge ( on Stuart Barnes ) so this sod can wake up and realise his bickering about all black selections and haka al 8:27 so many other things will no worry the all blacks in any way
He is English so they will give him 2 weeks. Do they not take history into account? This is a regular trait of his. He has never learned so harsh punishment
Is Bryce Lawrence going to be there
"The Mighty Williams"