Not a Montgomery fan, but quite frankly, I think any general, US or UK, would've had a hard time busting Caen within such a timetable. Still, Montgomery was in over his head and should have been replaced if the UK public would have stood still for it. But it was still a worthwhile video to watch. Thank you for it!
Monty was not in command of Market Garden.Montgomery commanded 21st Army Group comprising 1st Canadian,2nd British and 9th US Army.The failure to reach the Zuider Zee and thus prevent the redeployment,reinforcing and resupply of German forces in the Scheldt was not ultimately fatal to the opening of Antwerp on which the invasion of the German Homeland depended,(Eisenhower).There is endless media waffle about MG!
Another episode with interesting narrative and gross visual errors: when discussing the Churchill they show a glimpse of the correct tank then comet then Matilda then back to more comet! Why!!? Ridiculous.
It was always the plan to draw in the German reserves around Caen so that the Americans could break through in the West. The British and Canadians were faced with most of the German armour and motorised divisions - to say they should have done it quicker is ignorant. Fritz Bayerline admitted that even when the front line didn't move, the ongoing carnage and attrition condemned the Germans to defeat.
I'm sorry but this is looking more and more like an hour and forty minutes of excuses! Yep, they had it rough, not one doubt. Have you seen Leningrad? Have you seen Omaha Beach? See the Hedgerows? Have you seen the Battle of Kursk? Sicily? The Battle of the Bulge? I've not seen one of these British Productions that hasn't stated every one are among the most difficult clashes of the War. Also, not one fails to mention Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery estimable skill in guiding his troops to victory AND makes every effort to avoid the conquests of General George S Patton commanding the US 3rd Army! The fact is the opposition and their equipment were top notch. Their training superb and their preparation were equally as good! They were the aggressor Nation and digging in to defend (what they've stolen) was a much easier proposition. All they had to do is dig in and ambush. And, in deference to the Commentary, those Divisions were going nowhere from their bunkered positions...what and expose their Tank and Armored Columns to our Air Force? No way!! They would not even try. It was just Montgomery sniffling his way out of accountability. That said, it has to be acknowledged that none of this same opposition caused General Patton's success to diminish, did it...why? Patton's 3rd Army did not lose one major engagement. I'm sure there were skirmishes they got demolished in, but, the 3rd Army always came out on top...right? Also, did you know that US Soldiers from all over "Operation Overlord/Cobra Theater" (a General Bradley plan, AND the Falaise Pocket too) were trying to join the 3rd Army? Why? Maybe confidence...it's a bigger question than just that, still, confidence in your Leadership is everything!! No different than when Patton arrived in Africa, after the US's Kasserine Pass debacle and utter embarrassment!! Why were they SO much better once Patton arrived? I believe it was because he was an expert in Tank, Armored Mechanized and Artillery Warfare, (including Landing ships and Destroyers) and he really studied it. He was a stickler for discipline. He was totally deep into it by WW-1. He was the First member to join and lead our Tank Warfare Division. The book that was always with him was Rommel's book. I'd wager to guess, more to know who he'll be fighting and what he uses for strategy. It's a mind game and a game of Chicken. Accepting Casualties must be very hard, but there is clearly a crest as long the tactics are sound, from there, the field is for the taking, that is, for those with the stomach for it. Just watch how George Zhukov plans and executes. Sadly, it's a game for those who can lead and fight...without a heart! Isn't Field Marshall Montgomery more of a defensive/strategic Field Marshall? I think it shows. Well, maybe a little food for thought. I'm working hard to be conciliatory here, but when it comes to War, and the death of our Country's Youth, there can be no quarter who don't lead. You've either got it...or you don't! Montgomery is THE ONLY one to receive such latitude after substantial losses of both Men and Machinery. Operation Market Garden was the final blow he inflicted upon himself. No reconnaissance on the strength of the opposition??? I think it's a simple matter...if you don't know...you don't go!!
Having demolished the German Army at Caen,the British advance was faster and further than anything fancy pants Patton EVER achieved(240 miles in 4 days).
As. Walter Bedel Smith put it" Montgomery is the unexeeded master of the set piece battle.Normsndy was just such s battle".Patton took no part. In the Battle of Normandy and 3rd Army was not activated untill 1/8/44 British forces at Caen faced 7 Panzer Div.3 Tiger units and 3 nebelwerfer Brigades.US forces faced 2 Panzer Divisions and O repeat 0 heavy units.US first Army was supposed to take St Lo on ,7/6/44 but did not take it till 25/7/44(never mentioned by US propaganda,,)Dempsey was supposed to take Caen on ,7/6/44 but took it on 19/8/44 , six days more quickly than US forces.Thr story in Sicily is even more detrimental to the myth of Patton.Kesselring had ordered German forces to abandon Western western Sicily on 23/7/44(, Patton's line of march,). As to the bulge read Eisenhower's directive that his G2 General Strong (British)had on 20/11/44 warned Bradley's 12thArmy Group to expect an attack in either the Voge or Ardenne in mid December
My Turn! My Turn! 1. Monty planned and succeeded in North Africa, Husky, So. Italy (while all Patton did of historical note was just slapped soldiers around), He planned Overlord (Ike gave him the ball as he was the only GEN who had faced Rommel and pushed him back), and Operation Plunder. Every single one of those operations were Allied successes. 2. US Generals planned and failed at Anzio and Hürtgen Forest (4x the casualties of Market Garden). Both were 100% failures of US Army Command. Additionally, it was US Army Commanders refusal to accept their own intel that directly lead to the surprise of the Bulge. 3. In order to keep the pressure on the Germans once fall had arrived and as FDR was badgering Ike for a big victory just before the 1944 Presidential Elections in November. Additionally, the US troops in Continental Europe were exhausted and low on all supplies, especially in artillery and small arms ammunition as priority was given to fuel (Red Ball Express). Therefore, the only troops that were Offensive Combat ready were the air and glider borne troops stationed in England post D-Day. Therefore, LG Brereton and FM Alan Brooke that he had to make a plan with these forces as his front is the extent of their range. 4. While there were many things that went wrong at M-G (which happens for any offense), the single greatest factor for M-G's failure was 82nd (USA GEN Givens) inability to take the bridge at Nijmegen until 3 days (and with XXX Corp help) later. Had they taken it on the first day, there was little doubt that Arnhem would have been liberated. Additionally, after the battle, Givens wrote a personal letter to both Ike and Monty stating he now realized he made a serious mistake by disobeying his orders and moving East on day one instead of the planned North to the bridge which may have cost the operation. 5. "Patton's 3rd Army did not lose one major engagement." - He had his ass handed to him in So. Italy, so hard that he earned the "(Our) Blood and (our) Guts (all for his glory)" nickname. It was NOT meant as a term of endearment in any way. Additionally, 3rd Army had it's ass handed to Patton again when he pushed into the Metz in Sept/Nov '44. Do your homework on that one. Patton was a genius for moving masses of troops fast and fighting an opponent using delay tactics in Mech/ armor friendly terrain (which is what Western Sicily and No. France was). This is why Ike gave him Cobra. But when facing prepared positions in defensive terrain, he seriously struggled and his casualties fully reflect this. 6. Patton's 3rd Army did capture more land in less time than any other American Army. This is true. But up until then, the US Army that held 1st place was Sherman and his march to the Sea...and while Sherman had CAV, he didn't have motor vehicles. Currently, the record is by GEN Schwarzkopf for his operations in Operation Desert Storm. 7. "Isn't Field Marshall Montgomery more of a defensive/strategic Field Marshall?" - Yes and No. OKH knew that Monty moved in measured leaps and bounds so they could plan accordingly. They knew that Monty planned, wargamed, re-planned, re-wargamed and planned some more. But they also knew that when Monty attacked, it's not going to be a blitz (so they don't have to defend against the deep battle...but where Monty attacks, he's going to win. Hope I did ok.
Not a Montgomery fan, but quite frankly, I think any general, US or UK, would've had a hard time busting Caen within such a timetable. Still, Montgomery was in over his head and should have been replaced if the UK public would have stood still for it. But it was still a worthwhile video to watch. Thank you for it!
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The Canadian flag during World War II was the Canadian Ensign.......not the Pearson Flag as shown.......
Well flobba my dobba
After this mess, how did Monty survive Market Garden?
Monty was not in command of Market Garden.Montgomery commanded 21st Army Group comprising 1st Canadian,2nd British and 9th US Army.The failure to reach the Zuider Zee and thus prevent the redeployment,reinforcing and resupply of German forces in the Scheldt was not ultimately fatal to the opening of Antwerp on which the invasion of the German Homeland depended,(Eisenhower).There is endless media waffle about MG!
Politics. Because of him and the majority of the British High Command they butchered their brave men for the sake of the "British Empire".
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Luges, is that you??
Another episode with interesting narrative and gross visual errors: when discussing the Churchill they show a glimpse of the correct tank then comet then Matilda then back to more comet! Why!!? Ridiculous.
Yeah a lot of documentaries do that like showing Panthers and tigers in 1940 and 1941
It was always the plan to draw in the German reserves around Caen so that the Americans could break through in the West.
The British and Canadians were faced with most of the German armour and motorised divisions - to say they should have done it quicker is ignorant.
Fritz Bayerline admitted that even when the front line didn't move, the ongoing carnage and attrition condemned the Germans to defeat.
Not true, Monty only said that after the fact he got his ass handed to him a few times by the Germans.
incorrect, my friend. do some reading@@ColinFreeman-kh9us
I'm sorry but this is looking more and more like an hour and forty minutes of excuses! Yep, they had it rough, not one doubt. Have you seen Leningrad? Have you seen Omaha Beach? See the Hedgerows? Have you seen the Battle of Kursk? Sicily? The Battle of the Bulge? I've not seen one of these British Productions that hasn't stated every one are among the most difficult clashes of the War. Also, not one fails to mention Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery estimable skill in guiding his troops to victory AND makes every effort to avoid the conquests of General George S Patton commanding the US 3rd Army! The fact is the opposition and their equipment were top notch. Their training superb and their preparation were equally as good! They were the aggressor Nation and digging in to defend (what they've stolen) was a much easier proposition. All they had to do is dig in and ambush. And, in deference to the Commentary, those Divisions were going nowhere from their bunkered positions...what and expose their Tank and Armored Columns to our Air Force? No way!! They would not even try. It was just Montgomery sniffling his way out of accountability.
That said, it has to be acknowledged that none of this same opposition caused General Patton's success to diminish, did it...why? Patton's 3rd Army did not lose one major engagement. I'm sure there were skirmishes they got demolished in, but, the 3rd Army always came out on top...right? Also, did you know that US Soldiers from all over "Operation Overlord/Cobra Theater" (a General Bradley plan, AND the Falaise Pocket too) were trying to join the 3rd Army? Why? Maybe confidence...it's a bigger question than just that, still, confidence in your Leadership is everything!!
No different than when Patton arrived in Africa, after the US's Kasserine Pass debacle and utter embarrassment!! Why were they SO much better once Patton arrived? I believe it was because he was an expert in Tank, Armored Mechanized and Artillery Warfare, (including Landing ships and Destroyers) and he really studied it. He was a stickler for discipline. He was totally deep into it by WW-1. He was the First member to join and lead our Tank Warfare Division. The book that was always with him was Rommel's book. I'd wager to guess, more to know who he'll be fighting and what he uses for strategy. It's a mind game and a game of Chicken. Accepting Casualties must be very hard, but there is clearly a crest as long the tactics are sound, from there, the field is for the taking, that is, for those with the stomach for it. Just watch how George Zhukov plans and executes. Sadly, it's a game for those who can lead and fight...without a heart!
Isn't Field Marshall Montgomery more of a defensive/strategic Field Marshall? I think it shows. Well, maybe a little food for thought. I'm working hard to be conciliatory here, but when it comes to War, and the death of our Country's Youth, there can be no quarter who don't lead. You've either got it...or you don't! Montgomery is THE ONLY one to receive such latitude after substantial losses of both Men and Machinery. Operation Market Garden was the final blow he inflicted upon himself. No reconnaissance on the strength of the opposition??? I think it's a simple matter...if you don't know...you don't go!!
Nah this is an American production
Having demolished the German Army at Caen,the British advance was faster and further than anything fancy pants Patton EVER achieved(240 miles in 4 days).
As. Walter Bedel Smith put it" Montgomery is the unexeeded master of the set piece battle.Normsndy was just such s battle".Patton took no part. In the Battle of Normandy and 3rd Army was not activated untill 1/8/44 British forces at Caen faced 7 Panzer Div.3 Tiger units and 3 nebelwerfer Brigades.US forces faced 2 Panzer Divisions and O repeat 0 heavy units.US first Army was supposed to take St Lo on ,7/6/44 but did not take it till 25/7/44(never mentioned by US propaganda,,)Dempsey was supposed to take Caen on ,7/6/44 but took it on 19/8/44 , six days more quickly than US forces.Thr story in Sicily is even more detrimental to the myth of Patton.Kesselring had ordered German forces to abandon Western western Sicily on 23/7/44(, Patton's line of march,). As to the bulge read Eisenhower's directive that his G2 General Strong (British)had on 20/11/44 warned Bradley's 12thArmy Group to expect an attack in either the Voge or Ardenne in mid December
You guys know history.
My Turn! My Turn!
1. Monty planned and succeeded in North Africa, Husky, So. Italy (while all Patton did of historical note was just slapped soldiers around), He planned Overlord (Ike gave him the ball as he was the only GEN who had faced Rommel and pushed him back), and Operation Plunder. Every single one of those operations were Allied successes.
2. US Generals planned and failed at Anzio and Hürtgen Forest (4x the casualties of Market Garden). Both were 100% failures of US Army Command. Additionally, it was US Army Commanders refusal to accept their own intel that directly lead to the surprise of the Bulge.
3. In order to keep the pressure on the Germans once fall had arrived and as FDR was badgering Ike for a big victory just before the 1944 Presidential Elections in November. Additionally, the US troops in Continental Europe were exhausted and low on all supplies, especially in artillery and small arms ammunition as priority was given to fuel (Red Ball Express). Therefore, the only troops that were Offensive Combat ready were the air and glider borne troops stationed in England post D-Day. Therefore, LG Brereton and FM Alan Brooke that he had to make a plan with these forces as his front is the extent of their range.
4. While there were many things that went wrong at M-G (which happens for any offense), the single greatest factor for M-G's failure was 82nd (USA GEN Givens) inability to take the bridge at Nijmegen until 3 days (and with XXX Corp help) later. Had they taken it on the first day, there was little doubt that Arnhem would have been liberated. Additionally, after the battle, Givens wrote a personal letter to both Ike and Monty stating he now realized he made a serious mistake by disobeying his orders and moving East on day one instead of the planned North to the bridge which may have cost the operation.
5. "Patton's 3rd Army did not lose one major engagement." - He had his ass handed to him in So. Italy, so hard that he earned the "(Our) Blood and (our) Guts (all for his glory)" nickname. It was NOT meant as a term of endearment in any way. Additionally, 3rd Army had it's ass handed to Patton again when he pushed into the Metz in Sept/Nov '44. Do your homework on that one.
Patton was a genius for moving masses of troops fast and fighting an opponent using delay tactics in Mech/ armor friendly terrain (which is what Western Sicily and No. France was). This is why Ike gave him Cobra. But when facing prepared positions in defensive terrain, he seriously struggled and his casualties fully reflect this.
6. Patton's 3rd Army did capture more land in less time than any other American Army. This is true. But up until then, the US Army that held 1st place was Sherman and his march to the Sea...and while Sherman had CAV, he didn't have motor vehicles. Currently, the record is by GEN Schwarzkopf for his operations in Operation Desert Storm.
7. "Isn't Field Marshall Montgomery more of a defensive/strategic Field Marshall?" - Yes and No. OKH knew that Monty moved in measured leaps and bounds so they could plan accordingly. They knew that Monty planned, wargamed, re-planned, re-wargamed and planned some more. But they also knew that when Monty attacked, it's not going to be a blitz (so they don't have to defend against the deep battle...but where Monty attacks, he's going to win.
Hope I did ok.